From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 09:25:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51DPARM010304 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51DNONX014325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51DNMVV092685; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51DNLVV092671 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i51DNHMI019460 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:23:23 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] central repository - really X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks... back to the topic in the topic... ; > C wrote... >It's a great idea but may cause more harm than good. > >The problem with pre-arranged archives of information is that they too >easily become law without question regardless of origin or research. I disagree. Mainly because I am not talking about posting definitive "This is how you do it" types of information. I was envisioning more of "These are resources that are available" information. For example, the conversation about sleeveless chemises in pre 1600 Europe that sparked this idea produced a list of resources that demonstrated the existence of such critters. There was no attempt to set a standard, but there was a generation of resources from many corners of the list. That is what I would like to capture. Having, or creating, a central repository would allow us to pool our knowledge and resources. And I must say that I think the readers of this list are capable of taking one person's opinion as just that, one opinion. So I wouldn't object to having "This is how *I did it" articles. And I have seen other lists use central repositories successfully, the Historic Knit list being one of them. It allows newer members to "get up to speed" and also encourages more detailed discussion between the older members. Anyway - my 2cents on the subject... Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 10:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51ESiRM010639 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:28:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51EQeNX018831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51EQYVV029282; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51EQVVV029244 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:26:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i51EQSVG009553 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017c01c447e4$65244d50$1902a8c0@duncan> From: "ailith" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.0.0.14.0.20040506161750.02375d78@pop.ntlworld.com> <6.0.0.14.0.20040516195344.02458438@pop.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Proposal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Odd...the date on this message is May 16. Anyway--I tried the link and it doesn't work. But, I did go to your site and looked at your dolls. They're quite nifty! I quite like what you've done with their clothing. With regards, kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Connolly" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Proposal > Just thought I'd show you what I do with all my costume info! The dolls are > doll's house size, men 6 inches and women about 5 1/2 inches. > Here's the results of the workshop I attended yesterday. I dressed the man > doll, a handsome fellow, I hope you'll agree! > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/The%20Proposal.htm > > > Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT > The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! > http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 10:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51EnvRM010697 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51EluNX021021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51ElrVV043534; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:47:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51EloVV043467 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OpgLtEoB9rUHssx65UP41DQ= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JW2ZWBAA; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:47:03 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:02:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Proposal Message-ID: <20040601.074607.1528.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lynn! Sad to say, the attachment didn't work--all that came through was the header. Looking forward to seeing your work. Arlys On Sun, 16 May 2004 19:56:19 +0100 Lynne Connolly writes: > Just thought I'd show you what I do with all my costume info! The > dolls are > doll's house size, men 6 inches and women about 5 1/2 inches. > Here's the results of the workshop I attended yesterday. I dressed > the man > doll, a handsome fellow, I hope you'll agree! > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/The%20Proposal.htm > > > Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT > The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! > http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 11:22:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51FMfRM010910 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FM3NX024476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FLZVV069256; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40405.mail.yahoo.com (web40405.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51FLXVV069153 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040601152127.42190.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:21:27 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200405301801.i4UI1SVX067809@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I'm delurking for a moment to ask for ideas to incorporate into a costume project that my daughter, Hannah, is making. In her English class, they just finished reading "Othello" and she has decided to make a dress to represent Desdemona. She wanted a pale color to represent innocence, so she is using a pale pink fabric. She is also going to add a handkerchief to represent D's handkerchief. But now she has run out of ideas (and I never read or saw "Othello" so I'm not much help for her). Does anyone have any suggestions for her? Many thanks in advance, Mary ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 11:33:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51FXrRM010961 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FVwNX025702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FVnVV077241; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FVVVV076992 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26689 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:31:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:31:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20040601152127.42190.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Depends on how much research you and she want to do. Simplicity carries a lot of "Rennaissance" era costumes that are varying degrees of accurate. Is her class reproducing costumes that might have been worn in Shakespeare's era or what was historically correct in the times the plays were set? She might also want to rent the VHS of Othello of several years ago, starring Lawrence Fishburne as Othello if she is looking for historically accurate costumes that are of about Shakespeare's time as worn in Venice. She could also look at film stills or play photos of other productions of Othello for ideas. Bear in mind that all productions, will reflect, especially in women's costuming, hair, and makeup, whatever was the current aesthetic of attractiveness. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 11:54:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51FsERM011105 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FrHNX028505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51FrBVV095337; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:53:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Fr8VV095291 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:53:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i51Fr5MI012406 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601112733.01aff0c0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:53:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) In-Reply-To: <20040601152127.42190.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200405301801.i4UI1SVX067809@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Mary... I love Shakespeare so forgive me if this is too bard heavy... I have heard Desdemona portrayed in many lights innocent victim, independent woman, pawn etc. etc. But one of the most intersting opinions I have heard argued is that she is a character from one of Shakespeare's Comedys who wandered into a Tragedy. It's an interesting viewpoint and quite arguable from the behaviour of Desdamona in the first two acts. So that being said... Desdamona is often seen as passive and done in by forces around her - BUT remember she tells her father in the first act that she is a wife now, and therefore owing her obedience to her husband... not a wilting flower in that action. She is also a wife so she would dress modestly. Many, many directors and costume designers choose to have her hair uncovered... a thing I disagree with. The play is initially set in Venice and then moves to Cyprus. So Venetian costume is a very good place to start. Something I wonder about... playing off the Venetian costume idea... What about a dress that is Ribbon or tie heavy... tied across the bodice, two part sleeves tied at the shoulder, and along the forearm... and as we first see D. in Venice all her ties are done up, she is in order, as is her world... When she arrives in Cyprus her ties are disheveled, perhaps she is seen straightening or retying them As the play progresses, Say by the garden scene, the lower sleeves are gone - things coming undone. And in the nighttime scenes the dress is undone, and removed... civilizing forces are gong, all is unrestrained. OK... that's it for now... gotta go work. Mari / Bridgette >Hi all, > >I'm delurking for a moment to ask for ideas to incorporate into a >costume project that my daughter, Hannah, is making. In her English >class, they just finished reading "Othello" and she has decided to >make a dress to represent Desdemona. She wanted a pale color to >represent innocence, so she is using a pale pink fabric. She is also >going to add a handkerchief to represent D's handkerchief. But now >she has run out of ideas (and I never read or saw "Othello" so I'm >not much help for her). > >Does anyone have any suggestions for her? > >Many thanks in advance, >Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 12:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51GLERM011262 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:21:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GJNNX001900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GIorU016558; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GIBrU015980 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:18:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC84264A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40BCAD9B.4080709@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:23:55 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) References: <200405301801.i4UI1SVX067809@net.indra.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20040601112733.01aff0c0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601112733.01aff0c0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > As the play progresses, Say by the garden scene, the lower > sleeves are gone - things coming undone. > And in the nighttime scenes the dress is undone, and removed... > civilizing forces are gong, all is unrestrained. You know, if I saw a play in which the character's clothes were progressively more 'undone' in each scene I don't think I'd be thinking about the representation of loss of control and civilizing forces, I'd be wondering if she was going to show up naked in the final act. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 12:32:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51GWaRM011300 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:32:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GVsNX003600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:31:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GVnrU028254; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GVhrU028128 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:31:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.3.) id 6.1f1.21fbfeb4 (4320) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.21fbfeb4.2dee0962@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:31:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 11:32:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, brujne@creighton.edu writes: > She might also want to rent the VHS of Othello of several years ago, > starring Lawrence Fishburne as Othello if she is looking for historically > accurate costumes that are of about Shakespeare's time as worn in Venice. > I also recommend the Zefferelli film of Verdi's opera "Otello". I might add that Desdemona is not so very innocent....though certainly of the crimes she's accused in the play. Naive is a good word. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 12:37:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51GbcRM011313 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:37:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GZmNX003993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GZirU031379; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:35:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GZfrU031281 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.3.) id 6.110.32c69244 (4320) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:35:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <110.32c69244.2dee0a51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:35:29 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 11:54:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ms154@cornell.edu writes: > She is also a wife so she would dress modestly. Interesting. Of course she IS marrying a black man in the Renn. So I don't think she's so very "modest"...in the conservative sense. She might have a problem with that even today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 12:43:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51GhERM011326 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:43:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GgXNX004702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GgRrU036809; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.NET [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51GgMrU036728 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0195.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.195]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVCLE-0006Jr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:42:20 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:43:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040601152127.42190.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If she's not going for a particular place or period but just a "feel," Simplicity 2806 (formerly P477) is very lovely. I used this to costume a "young innocent" in a revenge-tragedy parody I wrote (set in the Kingdom of Inania, set in that well-known historic period "yore"). The sleeves on the high-waisted undergown are beautiful and very feminine and rich. The overgown makes the costume more formal. I made this costume with a pale-pink undergown with white puffs in the sleeves and a silvery-taupe overgown. The reason I think of this pattern is that alone the undergown says either Simple Gown or even Nightgown, and if your daughter is doing Desdemona she might want this day/night suggestion. The open neckline makes the neck seem very vulnerable, especially apt for a lady who dies of strangling. The overgown adds the Grown-up note that makes the girl a woman, also appropriate to the newly-wed Des. (I'd disregard the head-dress on this pattern.) Again, I don't see this pattern as conveying a particular time and place with authenticity, but it does have a good "Shakespearean" feel. If I were doing Othello I'd consider this costume pattern. Hope this helps! Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 6/1/04 11:21 AM, Mary at hanstar88@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm delurking for a moment to ask for ideas to incorporate into a > costume project that my daughter, Hannah, is making. In her English > class, they just finished reading "Othello" and she has decided to > make a dress to represent Desdemona. She wanted a pale color to > represent innocence, so she is using a pale pink fabric. She is also > going to add a handkerchief to represent D's handkerchief. But now > she has run out of ideas (and I never read or saw "Othello" so I'm > not much help for her). > > Does anyone have any suggestions for her? > > Many thanks in advance, > Mary > > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 13:27:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51HRhRM011505 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HPXNX009880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HPPrU073878; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.NET [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HPNrU073844 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0195.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.195]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVD0r-0000XN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:25:21 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:26:04 -0400 From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c44726$a5260c40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] drewscph@post12.tele.dk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Bjarne, This is a wonderful site indeed. I can see exactly how to adapt the women's costumes from The Country Wife and also have got some very useful ideas for changes to the men's costumes. The details of interiors on some of the paintings will also be helpful to my set designer. I wish I had time to make the costumes from scratch, but I think with the help of these illustrations they will at least be more French! You've been a big help, and very timely too. Thanks. --Ruth Anne on 5/31/04 11:47 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews at drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > Dear Ruth, > I can see why you are nervous about this when you are opening july 2.nd > I would suggest you to look on Kipars L'age D'or wich has wonderfull > resources from the period of Molliere. > I envy you a little, because this is one of my favourite periods. > http://www.kipar.org/resources/index.html > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ruthanne baumgartner" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 4:33 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Request for emergency assistance > > >> To this knowledgeable and helpful list: >> >> I've been preparing to direct The Merry Wives of Windsor in July, and >> everything for sets and costumes was in place. >> >> And then only 4 of the expected 20 males showed up at auditions. >> >> We have had to change the play and, considering the talent available to us >> and our previous experience with Restoration comedy, have chosen Moliere's >> TARTUFFE. >> >> What's scary about this is that the scheduled opening date is July 2. >> >> Two years ago I did a production of The Country Wife and believe many of >> those costumes can be adapted for Tartuffe. >> >> But our set design was very particular to The Country Wife--its various >> locations, the set-changing limitations of our stage, our teensy budget >> ($1700 is this theater's budget for a whole production, can you believe). >> >> Moliere liked a fancy stage, and so would we, especially as we will > present >> all our action in one setting. >> >> What my set designer would really appreciate is a painting of an >> upper-bourgeois interior--drawing room, preferably, or some other public >> domestic room. It can have people in it if necessary ;}. >> >> And what I, as both director and costumes mistress, would appreciate is a >> few images of male and female French petits-bourgeoises in day dress. I've >> found an appropriate Bailiff and Royal Police Officer, so my fears for > those >> two specific costumes are allayed. >> >> I'd do my own research if I had more time, but this is really a breathless >> situation, and Tartuffe will be my first French play (in English > translation >> of course--I'm in Connecticut community theater!--but we really want a >> French feel) so I don't have research already done into French styles of >> this period. >> >> Ah--what period! 1662 was Moliere's first version; 1669 was the triumphant >> 5-act production. So 1660s. >> >> If anyone can point me to some good illustrations/paintings I would be >> enormously grateful and hugely relieved. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 13:42:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51HggRM011570 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:42:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HepNX011536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HelrU086713; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:40:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HehrU086567 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynneconnolly@ntlworld.com) Received: from acer-zncxxrqauo.ntlworld.com ([81.109.62.241]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040601173832.CZYT2927.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@acer-zncxxrqauo.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:38:32 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.14.0.20040601182110.023b5948@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.14 (Beta) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:40:16 +0100 To: "h-costume-indra.com" From: Lynne Connolly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-153C8E8; boundary="=======74917B70=======" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Proposal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======74917B70======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-153C8E8; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 15:26 01/06/2004 ailith said >Odd...the date on this message is May 16. > >Anyway--I tried the link and it doesn't work. But, I did go to your >site and looked at your dolls. They're quite nifty! I quite like what >you've done with their clothing. Thank you! The page was a temporary one, but since the message took so long, I'll go and put it back up. The dolls are at the bottom of the dolls page on my website. It should be back up now. If it still doesn't work, they are here as well: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/dolls1.htm Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ --=======74917B70======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======74917B70=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 13:43:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51HhSRM011578 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:43:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HgsNX011757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HgrrU088451; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51HfUrU087259 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynneconnolly@ntlworld.com) Received: from acer-zncxxrqauo.ntlworld.com ([81.109.62.241]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040601174058.NOCT20971.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@acer-zncxxrqauo.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:40:58 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.14.0.20040601181842.0240c630@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.14 (Beta) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:20:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Lynne Connolly Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Proposal In-Reply-To: <017c01c447e4$65244d50$1902a8c0@duncan> References: <6.0.0.14.0.20040506161750.02375d78@pop.ntlworld.com> <6.0.0.14.0.20040516195344.02458438@pop.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-153C8E8; boundary="=======25685AC1=======" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======25685AC1======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-153C8E8; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 15:26 01/06/2004 ailith said >Odd...the date on this message is May 16. > >Anyway--I tried the link and it doesn't work. But, I did go to your >site and looked at your dolls. They're quite nifty! I quite like what >you've done with their clothing. Thank you! The page was a temporary one, but since the message took so long, I'll go and put it back up. The dolls are at the bottom of the dolls page on my website. It should be back up now. Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ --=======25685AC1======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======25685AC1=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 14:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51IrYRM012134 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51IqSNX019249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51IqArU046143; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40404.mail.yahoo.com (web40404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51Iq2rU045993 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040601185153.76188.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.204.32] by web40404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:51:53 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406011804.i51I4brW007370@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Thanks for the suggestions, they are all great. However... She is not going to play or portray Desdemona herself. In fact, she won't even be wearing the gown. (Sorry if I did not clearly explain that in my original post.) The dress will be displayed and it needs to represent Desdemona's character. That's why we were adding the handkerchief, because there is a scene where Othello talks about it and it's supposed to represent "the magic of love". My daughter chose the light pink color to represent that D was innocent of the charges brought against her. Our problem is that we can't think of anymore symbols to incorporate into the gown. (I've never read/seen "Othello" so I'm not able to help her much.) I like Mari's idea of adding the ribbons/ties, so I will pass that on to her to see what she thinks. BTW, she is using the Simplicity "Ever After" pattern (don't remember the number offhand), view C which is the simplest. This is only the 2nd or 3rd thing that she has sewn, so I thought it would be best to keep it simple. (Besides, I doubt the teacher or anyone in her class will know what "real Venetian" clothing looked like anyway!!) Thanks again! ~Mary > From: "Cindy Abel" > Depends on how much research you and she want to do. Simplicity > carries a > lot of "Rennaissance" era costumes that are varying degrees of > accurate. Is > her class reproducing costumes that might have been worn in > Shakespeare's > era or what was historically correct in the times the plays were > set? > > She might also want to rent the VHS of Othello of several years > ago, > starring Lawrence Fishburne as Othello if she is looking for > historically > accurate costumes that are of about Shakespeare's time as worn in > Venice. > She could also look at film stills or play photos of other > productions of > Othello for ideas. Bear in mind that all productions, will reflect, > especially in women's costuming, hair, and makeup, whatever was the > current > aesthetic of attractiveness. > > Cindy Abel > > ------------------------------ > From: M Stewart > Hey Mary... > > I love Shakespeare so forgive me if this is too bard > heavy... > > I have heard Desdemona portrayed in many lights innocent victim, > independent woman, pawn etc. etc. But one of the most intersting > opinions > I have heard argued is that she is a character from one of > Shakespeare's > Comedys who wandered into a Tragedy. It's an interesting viewpoint > and > quite arguable from the behaviour of Desdamona in the first two > acts. > > So that being said... > > Desdamona is often seen as passive and done in by forces around her > - BUT > remember she tells her father in the first act that she is a wife > now, and > therefore owing her obedience to her husband... not a wilting > flower in > that action. > > She is also a wife so she would dress modestly. Many, many > directors and > costume designers choose to have her hair uncovered... a thing I > disagree > with. > > The play is initially set in Venice and then moves to Cyprus. So > Venetian > costume is a very good place to start. > > Something I wonder about... playing off the Venetian costume > idea... > What about a dress that is Ribbon or tie heavy... tied > across the > bodice, two part sleeves tied at the shoulder, and along the > forearm... > and as we first see D. in Venice all her ties are done up, > she is > in order, as is her world... > When she arrives in Cyprus her ties are disheveled, > perhaps she is > seen straightening or retying them > As the play progresses, Say by the garden scene, the > lower > sleeves are gone - things coming undone. > And in the nighttime scenes the dress is undone, and > removed... > civilizing forces are gong, all is unrestrained. > > OK... that's it for now... gotta go work. Mari / Bridgette > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: Dawn > > You know, if I saw a play in which the character's clothes were > progressively more 'undone' in each scene I don't think I'd be > thinking > about the representation of loss of control and civilizing forces, > I'd > be wondering if she was going to show up naked in the final act. :) > > > > Dawn > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: AlbertCat@aol.com > > I also recommend the Zefferelli film of Verdi's opera "Otello". > > I might add that Desdemona is not so very innocent....though > certainly of the > crimes she's accused in the play. Naive is a good word. > > > ------------------------------ > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > > Of course she IS marrying a black man in the Renn. So I don't think > she's so > very "modest"...in the conservative sense. She might have a problem > with that > even today. > > > ------------------------------ > > From: ruthanne baumgartner > > If she's not going for a particular place or period but just a > "feel," > Simplicity 2806 (formerly P477) is very lovely. I used this to > costume a > "young innocent" in a revenge-tragedy parody I wrote (set in the > Kingdom of > Inania, set in that well-known historic period "yore"). > > The sleeves on the high-waisted undergown are beautiful and very > feminine > and rich. The overgown makes the costume more formal. I made this > costume > with a pale-pink undergown with white puffs in the sleeves and a > silvery-taupe overgown. > > The reason I think of this pattern is that alone the undergown says > either > Simple Gown or even Nightgown, and if your daughter is doing > Desdemona she > might want this day/night suggestion. The open neckline makes the > neck seem > very vulnerable, especially apt for a lady who dies of strangling. > The > overgown adds the Grown-up note that makes the girl a woman, also > appropriate to the newly-wed Des. (I'd disregard the head-dress on > this > pattern.) > > Again, I don't see this pattern as conveying a particular time and > place > with authenticity, but it does have a good "Shakespearean" feel. If > I were > doing Othello I'd consider this costume pattern. > > Hope this helps! > > Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 14:57:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51IvhRM012155 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:57:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Iv0NX019656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51IuvrU049954; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51IusrU049753 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe9.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.233]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EA75262804 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007801c4480a$37280920$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.0.0.14.0.20040601182110.023b5948@pop.ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Proposal Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:56:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lynne, Very lovely dolls you made here. And you caught the essentials of each period very well, and this is not easy in such small dolls. Congratulations! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Connolly" To: "h-costume-indra.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] The Proposal > On 15:26 01/06/2004 ailith said > >Odd...the date on this message is May 16. > > > >Anyway--I tried the link and it doesn't work. But, I did go to your > >site and looked at your dolls. They're quite nifty! I quite like what > >you've done with their clothing. > > Thank you! The page was a temporary one, but since the message took so > long, I'll go and put it back up. The dolls are at the bottom of the dolls > page on my website. > It should be back up now. > If it still doesn't work, they are here as well: > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/dolls1.htm > > Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT > The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! > http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 15:09:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51J91RM012205 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:09:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51J8GNX020841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51J8B7L059203; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51J827L059104 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0185.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.185]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVEcC-0002ar-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:08:01 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:08:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040601185153.76188.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A symbol she might want to add is a willow branch--perhaps she could make a garland of willow for Desdemona's hair? Desdemona sings the sad little "Willow Song" just before Othello arrives to kill her. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 6/1/04 2:51 PM, Mary at hanstar88@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the suggestions, they are all great. However... She is > not going to play or portray Desdemona herself. In fact, she won't > even be wearing the gown. (Sorry if I did not clearly explain that > in my original post.) The dress will be displayed and it needs to > represent Desdemona's character. That's why we were adding the > handkerchief, because there is a scene where Othello talks about it > and it's supposed to represent "the magic of love". My daughter > chose the light pink color to represent that D was innocent of the > charges brought against her. > > Our problem is that we can't think of anymore symbols to incorporate > into the gown. (I've never read/seen "Othello" so I'm not able to > help her much.) I like Mari's idea of adding the ribbons/ties, so I > will pass that on to her to see what she thinks. > > BTW, she is using the Simplicity "Ever After" pattern (don't remember > the number offhand), view C which is the simplest. This is only the > 2nd or 3rd thing that she has sewn, so I thought it would be best to > keep it simple. (Besides, I doubt the teacher or anyone in her class > will know what "real Venetian" clothing looked like anyway!!) > > Thanks again! > ~Mary > >> From: "Cindy Abel" >> Depends on how much research you and she want to do. Simplicity >> carries a >> lot of "Rennaissance" era costumes that are varying degrees of >> accurate. Is >> her class reproducing costumes that might have been worn in >> Shakespeare's >> era or what was historically correct in the times the plays were >> set? >> >> She might also want to rent the VHS of Othello of several years >> ago, >> starring Lawrence Fishburne as Othello if she is looking for >> historically >> accurate costumes that are of about Shakespeare's time as worn in >> Venice. >> She could also look at film stills or play photos of other >> productions of >> Othello for ideas. Bear in mind that all productions, will reflect, >> especially in women's costuming, hair, and makeup, whatever was the >> current >> aesthetic of attractiveness. >> >> Cindy Abel >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: M Stewart >> Hey Mary... >> >> I love Shakespeare so forgive me if this is too bard >> heavy... >> >> I have heard Desdemona portrayed in many lights innocent victim, >> independent woman, pawn etc. etc. But one of the most intersting >> opinions >> I have heard argued is that she is a character from one of >> Shakespeare's >> Comedys who wandered into a Tragedy. It's an interesting viewpoint >> and >> quite arguable from the behaviour of Desdamona in the first two >> acts. >> >> So that being said... >> >> Desdamona is often seen as passive and done in by forces around her >> - BUT >> remember she tells her father in the first act that she is a wife >> now, and >> therefore owing her obedience to her husband... not a wilting >> flower in >> that action. >> >> She is also a wife so she would dress modestly. Many, many >> directors and >> costume designers choose to have her hair uncovered... a thing I >> disagree >> with. >> >> The play is initially set in Venice and then moves to Cyprus. So >> Venetian >> costume is a very good place to start. >> >> Something I wonder about... playing off the Venetian costume >> idea... >> What about a dress that is Ribbon or tie heavy... tied >> across the >> bodice, two part sleeves tied at the shoulder, and along the >> forearm... >> and as we first see D. in Venice all her ties are done up, >> she is >> in order, as is her world... >> When she arrives in Cyprus her ties are disheveled, >> perhaps she is >> seen straightening or retying them >> As the play progresses, Say by the garden scene, the >> lower >> sleeves are gone - things coming undone. >> And in the nighttime scenes the dress is undone, and >> removed... >> civilizing forces are gong, all is unrestrained. >> >> OK... that's it for now... gotta go work. Mari / Bridgette >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> > From: Dawn >> >> You know, if I saw a play in which the character's clothes were >> progressively more 'undone' in each scene I don't think I'd be >> thinking >> about the representation of loss of control and civilizing forces, >> I'd >> be wondering if she was going to show up naked in the final act. :) >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ > From: AlbertCat@aol.com >> >> I also recommend the Zefferelli film of Verdi's opera "Otello". >> >> I might add that Desdemona is not so very innocent....though >> certainly of the >> crimes she's accused in the play. Naive is a good word. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> > From: AlbertCat@aol.com >> >> Of course she IS marrying a black man in the Renn. So I don't think >> she's so >> very "modest"...in the conservative sense. She might have a problem >> with that >> even today. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> From: ruthanne baumgartner >> >> If she's not going for a particular place or period but just a >> "feel," >> Simplicity 2806 (formerly P477) is very lovely. I used this to >> costume a >> "young innocent" in a revenge-tragedy parody I wrote (set in the >> Kingdom of >> Inania, set in that well-known historic period "yore"). >> >> The sleeves on the high-waisted undergown are beautiful and very >> feminine >> and rich. The overgown makes the costume more formal. I made this >> costume >> with a pale-pink undergown with white puffs in the sleeves and a >> silvery-taupe overgown. >> >> The reason I think of this pattern is that alone the undergown says >> either >> Simple Gown or even Nightgown, and if your daughter is doing >> Desdemona she >> might want this day/night suggestion. The open neckline makes the >> neck seem >> very vulnerable, especially apt for a lady who dies of strangling. >> The >> overgown adds the Grown-up note that makes the girl a woman, also >> appropriate to the newly-wed Des. (I'd disregard the head-dress on >> this >> pattern.) >> >> Again, I don't see this pattern as conveying a particular time and >> place >> with authenticity, but it does have a good "Shakespearean" feel. If >> I were >> doing Othello I'd consider this costume pattern. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> > > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:11:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51KB9RM012491 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KATNX028044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KAL7L013167; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51K9h7L012633 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340142861A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:09:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p114.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.116]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 14C2FC56A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:09:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- A symbol she might want to add is a willow branch--perhaps she could make a garland of willow for Desdemona's hair? Desdemona sings the sad little "Willow Song" just before Othello arrives to kill her. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ***************** If she uses the willow symbol, perhaps is she is skilled and not in a hurry, she could embroider the willow onto the handkerchief. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:27:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51KRvRM012634 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:27:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KRHNX000472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KRE7L028343; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KRC7L028252 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynneconnolly@ntlworld.com) Received: from acer-zncxxrqauo.ntlworld.com ([81.109.62.241]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040601202526.QWZW2927.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@acer-zncxxrqauo.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:25:26 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.14.0.20040601212257.023c4520@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: lynneconnolly@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.14 (Beta) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:24:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Lynne Connolly Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Proposal In-Reply-To: <007801c4480a$37280920$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <6.0.0.14.0.20040601182110.023b5948@pop.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4C3B1965; boundary="=======3BFC4A8F=======" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======3BFC4A8F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4C3B1965; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 19:56 01/06/2004 Bjarne og Leif Drews said >Very lovely dolls you made here. And you caught the essentials of each >period very well, and this is not easy in such small dolls. >Congratulations! Thank you! I have found that sometimes it's better to go with the pattern as used at the time, so I do research construction techniques carefully. You do sometimes have to simplify, but when you make an eighteenth century sacque the way they did, it works out surprisingly well, even in 1/12th scale! Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ --=======3BFC4A8F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======3BFC4A8F=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:48:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51KmtRM012704 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KkwNX004032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Kkr7L045925; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Kkn7L045861 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.33.46.3]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040601204643.KMFJ15848.out010.verizon.net@brandyscomp>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:46:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c44819$8edfa420$032e2104@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historic Costume List" , "SCA Costumes" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:46:47 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.33.46.3] at Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:46:43 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How They Grow X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i51KmtRM012704 Status: RO I have been trying to come up with some ideas how to modify patterns for children so they can be easily adjusted for growth. I have come across interesting ideas and would like more. Any ideas? So far I have adding an inch or two along the sides of dresses and then using elastic to give some room for growth and double hemming clothes so one hem could be let out and still have a second for an extra few inches in length. Thanks, Brandy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:52:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51KqhRM012733 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:52:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KorNX004750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KoN7L048949; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:50:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KlA7L046160 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYN00D2KDPUDL@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:47:31 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <40BCEB63.7020106@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thread -Silk and other X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, I just orded some silk thread from "www.threadthings.com" two of their Tire 800m of machine twist silk -one black and one whilte. I have been using it abunch lately cause i have been making mundain slacks out of wool(lightweight) and some silk t-tunics for a firend. He wants me to use only silk thread on his silk and he is paying the thread. Each spool was $27. Is this a good price for silk thread? Has anyone noticed a difference using silk thread in their projects? I know i have become addicted to using it for my tailor's marks atleast as it is so much easer to pul out then regular thread if i happen to sew over. Also, has anyone used linen or wool thread in their sewing (not decratice, in constuction) ? Where can one obtain these? Jordana sorry for the amount of typos-my keyborad seems to be on the fritz AGAIN. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:56:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51KupRM012751 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:56:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Ku4NX005628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Ku17L054638; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Kp87L049607 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B7028F5E for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p114.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.116]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A550C596 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:51:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20040601185153.76188.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-COLLEGEOFNEWCALEDONIA-Metrics: m 1044; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Symbols and opinions Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Hi all, Thanks for the suggestions, they are all great. However... She is not going to play or portray Desdemona herself. In fact, she won't even be wearing the gown. (Sorry if I did not clearly explain that in my original post.) The dress will be displayed and it needs to represent Desdemona's character. That's why we were adding the handkerchief, because there is a scene where Othello talks about it and it's supposed to represent "the magic of love". My daughter chose the light pink color to represent that D was innocent of the charges brought against her. Our problem is that we can't think of anymore symbols to incorporate into the gown. (I've never read/seen "Othello" so I'm not able to help her much.) I like Mari's idea of adding the ribbons/ties, so I will pass that on to her to see what she thinks. BTW, she is using the Simplicity "Ever After" pattern (don't remember the number offhand), view C which is the simplest. This is only the 2nd or 3rd thing that she has sewn, so I thought it would be best to keep it simple. (Besides, I doubt the teacher or anyone in her class will know what "real Venetian" clothing looked like anyway!!) Thanks again! ~Mary ****** Just my opinions: *Sad. I'm one of those people that feel if you are going to make a gown it should be worn. :)The dress could be worn as Ren garb after it is finished being on display. *A Venetian dress and chemise is easier than the "Ever-After" dress. (see "Realms of Venus" online) There are patterns that can be slightly adapted. *This is an opportunity to show historic costume and not whimsical costume. And sometimes with the right history teacher can give extra credit for research. * Pink is the color of childlike innocence, naivete, feminine youth, child like qualities. White is the color of purity, a character unstained Yellow is brightness, strength, energy. Perhaps a white dress accented with yellow and pink. If you use ribbon for the ties and they are functional ties, use grosgrain, they hold better. You could line the dress with the pale pink and yellow ribbon for the ties. If you use metallic for trim, use silver or very little gold. Think silver = white and gold = yellow. Also, silver is passive and gold is aggressive. Pearls = a passive gem compared to diamonds, sorrow (tears of the ocean), childlike innocence, purity, the sea/ocean. Pearl drops on the dress and on the four corners of the handkerchief could represent the tragedy. Round pearls on the dress - Venice De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 16:59:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51Kx2RM012756 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KwUNX006214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:58:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KwT7L056882; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:58:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51KuM7M054918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-106.sonic.net [209.148.112.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i51KuJTN013463 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:56:21 -0700 Message-ID: <40BCEE8A.7030202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:00:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Source for Edwardian and Art Deco style jewelry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.exoticindiaart.com/ I am currently browsing their silver + semiprecious stone necklaces and finding some nice-looking festoon, drop, and chandelier styles at lower prices than when these are sold as historic reproductions. Let alone originals, and BTW I suspect a fair number of the "antique" moonstone necklaces that show up on the market are recent imports from India. Their catalog also has a lot of jewelry that is definitely not antique looking (at least not Western style antique) so you have to browse through it. They also have saris and a lot of other stuff I haven't looked through yet. Fran Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 17:17:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51LHdRM012867 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:17:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LFuNX008556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LFe7L072515; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LFN7L072326 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 958A75CC640; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0009.floodcity.net [198.93.211.9]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A10E5CC49A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BCF138.13E0B9A7@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:12:24 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How They Grow References: <001e01c44819$8edfa420$032e2104@brandyscomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO using tucks across the hem, bottom of the waist and on the sleeve also can be let out for growth. if the pattern is for a close fitting neckline, be sure to cut on the line for the older child so the neck doesn't get to tight. For pants you need to allow extra crotch room as they grow, perhaps with extra fabric hidden in the waistband? One thing I have never been able to see how to overcome is the problem of the hidden fabric being much newer, due to it not having been worn by friction nor exposed to sun. it even has a heavier hand. Anyway, Hope this helps. Kitty Brandy Deming wrote: > > I have been trying to come up with some ideas how to modify patterns for children so they can be easily adjusted for growth. I have come across interesting ideas and would like more. Any ideas? > > So far I have adding an inch or two along the sides of dresses and then using elastic to give some room for growth and double hemming clothes so one hem could be let out and still have a second for an extra few inches in length. > > Thanks, > > Brandy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 17:25:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51LPeRM012896 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LNhNX010047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LNe7L079849; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LNY7L079770 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12335 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:23:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] How They Grow Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001e01c44819$8edfa420$032e2104@brandyscomp> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Grow tucks were often used in skirts for girls--they survive as decoration today. Possibly this was also maybe the original intent of smocking--as ways to make cloth fit as opposed to actually cutting it.I've often wondered if it was both a way to take in an adult(or older child's)garment to fit a child and then let out the tucks(possibly covering the let out seams with trim or braid of some sort that survives as decorative trim on so many traditional "folk costumes" people make today. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 17:34:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51LYdRM012933 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LRqSn010388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:33:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51L7b7L065079; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51L767L064355 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1d7.22aacd4e (3924) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:06:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.22aacd4e.2dee49d6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:06:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Symbols and opinions Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 4:56:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: > Pearl drops on the dress and on the four corners of the handkerchief could > represent the tragedy. > BTW....the handkerchief is embroidered with strawberries, if I'm remembering correctly. Do they have significance? My guess is they mean something. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:07:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51M7SRM013087 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M5SNX015478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M5F7L014749; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M4t7L014465 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:05:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from susan (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4ADF6E3C3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018b01c44825$4108ebb0$0300a8c0@susan> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c44819$8edfa420$032e2104@brandyscomp> <40BCF138.13E0B9A7@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How They Grow Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:10:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On mine, when I did this, I put a small bit of trim, or bias tape cut from a fancy material, on either side of the untucked fabric. It becomes a design feature. I did do big tuck, 2-3 inches. Susan in Bellevue > One thing I have never been able to see how to overcome is the problem > of the hidden fabric being much newer, due to it not having been worn by > friction nor exposed to sun. it even has a heavier hand. > Anyway, Hope this helps. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:08:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51M8GRM013094 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:08:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M7eNX015716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M7b7L016705; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M587L014590 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BA242448 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040601144317.025178b8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:57:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread -Silk and other In-Reply-To: <40BCEB63.7020106@optonline.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jordana, I just tried viewing the threadthings site, and I can't seem to reach it right now. But then I lost google a couple of days ago for two whole days. Problems up the pipe I guess on my end. I love using silk threads as well, but I have mostly been using them for bastings and decorations. I was told by several silk fiber artists not to use silk threads on silk fabrics, because it is better for silk fabrics to break at the threads, than to break at the fabrics. They preferred all cotton threads, like Mettler silk finish 100% cotton thread. The seams will then break at the thread, which can be resewn, instead of the silk fabric tearing. And as to the cost of silk thread, I got one of my spools from Qualin International, which I found on e-Bay (besilk). Their 5000 meter natural white silk thread was $29.99 a spool, although I got mine a little less from an auction. I plan on using the silk threads for machine sewing light leather, and for decorative uses. I have not used wool or linen sewing thread, but you may be able to find that at lacis, in Berkeley CA. www.lacis.com Kimiko At 04:47 PM 6/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >So, I just orded some silk thread from "www.threadthings.com" two of >their Tire 800m of machine twist silk -one black and one whilte. I have >been using it abunch lately cause i have been making mundain slacks out of >wool(lightweight) and some silk t-tunics for a firend. He wants me to >use only silk thread on his silk and he is paying the thread. Each spool >was $27. Is this a good price for silk thread? > >Has anyone noticed a difference using silk thread in their projects? I >know i have become addicted to using it for my tailor's marks atleast as >it is so much easer to pul out then regular thread if i happen to sew over. > >Also, has anyone used linen or wool thread in their sewing (not >decratice, in constuction) ? Where can one obtain these? > >Jordana > >sorry for the amount of typos-my keyborad seems to be on the fritz AGAIN. Kimiko Small Owner & Creator of DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:10:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51MAGRM013103 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:10:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M8VNX015831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M8N7L017358; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:08:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51M5U7L014846 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1090415 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:05:14 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:05:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40bcf46a.fa73.0@ripco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (I speak from experience) When making children's costumes, remember that they grow UP faster than they grow OUT. I put 3-5 1" tucks in chemises. One would look funny. Remember the arm length too. I found that worked better than the extra hem, just as Wendy mentioned in her message (below). If your children are going to wear hoopskirts or heavy skirts of any kind, either sew the bodice to the skirt or put suspenders on EVERY skirt. They have no hips and can just step out of their skirts at the most inopportune times. I also made peasant type chemises, even for my court babies, under the age of 2. That way I could whip the front to the back after lunch and hey-presto! a clean chemise in time for the queen's arrival and the subsequent photos. LynnD On 6/1/04 2:29 PM, "zski@ripco.com" wrote: > I woudl think rather than large hems (which will wear along the bottom) > another option might be tucks done higher up on the skirt. > > The folded edge will still get creased, so you'd want to add some trim when > you let it down, but I think it would wear less than an actual hem that > dragged on the ground. > > I am currently planning "baby's first bodice" for a friend who is expecting > in Sept. I know it's not period, and she'll have plenty of basic chemises > & tunics to crawl about in and wear out, but it's cuuute and appropriate > for the little wench-ling we expect she will be. > > Wendy Z > ...you mean I'm NOT in Oklahoma?... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:12:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51MCRRM013111 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:12:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51MBgNX016292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51MBf7L020126; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40403.mail.yahoo.com (web40403.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51M6B7L015490 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040601220606.92007.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:06:06 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406012116.i51LGZ7N073399@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To reply to several posts at once... >Ruth Anne baumgartner wrote: > > A symbol she might want to add is a willow branch--perhaps she > could make a > garland of willow for Desdemona's hair? Desdemona sings the sad > little > "Willow Song" just before Othello arrives to kill her. > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > I will run this by her, thanks for the suggestion! > De wrote: > If she uses the willow symbol, perhaps is she is skilled and not in > a hurry, > she could embroider the willow onto the handkerchief. > > De > > She does embroider, and neither do I, and the project has to be completed before the end of school. But good idea anyway! >De wrote: > Just my opinions: > *Sad. I'm one of those people that feel if you are going to make a > gown it > should be worn. :)The dress could be worn as Ren garb after it is > finished > being on display. She will probably wear it later on, just not now for this project. > *A Venetian dress and chemise is easier than the "Ever-After" > dress. (see > "Realms of Venus" online) There are patterns that can be slightly > adapted. Again, because of time constraints and my daughter's sewing abilities, we are using the pattern as is. > *This is an opportunity to show historic costume and not whimsical > costume. > And sometimes with the right history teacher can give extra credit > for > research. The dress is for an English project, so I'm not sure if a bonus for historical accuracy would be given. I'll ask my daughter about it. She could include some Venetian paintings with her project. I'm sounding repetitious, but she is bound by time & skill limitations. I thought about her making a dress with tie on sleeves, but decided that might make the dress too time-consuming. She has to fit the construction in with school, other school work, after school job and dance class/rehearsals -- and I am *not* sewing it for her (I'm not, I'm not, I'm not). In the future, we could rework the dress to make it more historically accurate (plus pink is not her favorite color, so it will probably be dyed). > * > Pink is the color of childlike innocence, naivete, feminine youth, > child > like qualities. > > White is the color of purity, a character unstained > > Yellow is brightness, strength, energy. > > Perhaps a white dress accented with yellow and pink. > If you use ribbon for the ties and they are functional ties, use > grosgrain, > they hold better. > You could line the dress with the pale pink and yellow ribbon for > the ties. > If you use metallic for trim, use silver or very little gold. Think > silver = > white and gold = yellow. Also, silver is passive and gold is > aggressive. > > Pearls = a passive gem compared to diamonds, sorrow (tears of the > ocean), > childlike innocence, purity, the sea/ocean. > Pearl drops on the dress and on the four corners of the > handkerchief could > represent the tragedy. > Round pearls on the dress - Venice > > De > The color ideas are great. She has already started the dress in pink, with white sleeves, etc. Maybe should could add yellow ribbons... AlbertCat wrote: > > BTW....the handkerchief is embroidered with strawberries, if I'm > remembering > correctly. Do they have significance? My guess is they mean > something. > > Another good idea to run by my DD! Thanks again sooo much for all your creative ideas. Creativity is not my strong point (numbers & logic are more my thing), so I was at a loss on how to help her. ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:41:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51MfWRM013316 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51MaoNX019118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Maj7L040277; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40805.mail.yahoo.com (web40805.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.182]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51Mag7L040164 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cyncorley@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040601223637.97378.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.229.159.62] by web40805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:36:37 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cynthia Corley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406012116.i51LGZ7N073399@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: symbols and strawberries Re:Ideas for Desdemona's dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! Just unlurking for a mo... AlbertCat mentioned the symbolism Shakespeare may have intended with the embroidered strawberries on Desdemona's handkerchief. In "Folk Lore of Shakespeare" the author says that Elizabethans often planted flowers near fruit trees so that the "sweetness" would be communicated to the fruit.They admired strawberries because they could grow anywhere and still be sweet--able to thrive in the midst of "evil communications without being corrupted". This is perhaps the case with Desdemona until that specific handkerchief goes astray? ===== Art is not a mirror held up to reality but a hammer with which to shape it. Bertolt Brecht __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:46:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51MkeRM013332 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:46:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LQENX010235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LQC7L081776; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop2a.ripco.com (root@pop2a.ripco.com [209.100.227.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51LQ67L081693 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zski@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (cybil2.ripco.com [209.100.224.203]) by pop2a.ripco.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51LQ2VX016304 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:26:02 -0500 (CDT) From: zski@ripco.com To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:29:01 -0500 X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.8c, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <40bcf46a.fa73.0@ripco.com> X-User-Info: 63.242.253.155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I woudl think rather than large hems (which will wear along the bottom) another option might be tucks done higher up on the skirt. The folded edge will still get creased, so you'd want to add some trim when you let it down, but I think it would wear less than an actual hem that dragged on the ground. I am currently planning "baby's first bodice" for a friend who is expecting in Sept. I know it's not period, and she'll have plenty of basic chemises & tunics to crawl about in and wear out, but it's cuuute and appropriate for the little wench-ling we expect she will be. Wendy Z ...you mean I'm NOT in Oklahoma?... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 18:52:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51Mq1RM013364 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51MpRNX020595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51MpO7L051097; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i51MpM7L051042 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 26111 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 22:51:17 -0000 Received: from cts-san21612000486.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.86) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 22:51:17 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:51:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200405311801.i4VI19VX058549@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Apparently Home Ec is going the way of the Dodo and Passenger pigeon. I was trained as a home ec teacher but decided I didn't want to put up with the bureaurocracy & red tape. When I moved to San Diego (in a rural area, by the way) I called the local high school to donate my sewing machine diagrams and other teaching aides to them. I was informed they had no sewing classes!!! Now that my kids have been through the local school system, I know that they have a teeny tiny little class that covers a bit of cooking, handling your check book, and for extra credit you can take home an extremely obnoxious doll called "Baby Think It Over". The idea is to show the kids how much work a newborn is - and they only have to put up with the crying. No poop or barf to deal with. (As a side note, they had a variant of the doll, the crack baby, that got you even more extra credit. The school had to discontinue this practice because the students and parents often returned to the school the next day hysterical.) This is all so sad. The home ec classes were some of the most practical and valuable ones given - and now they're not. Julie > >Do they do Home Economics and sewing any more? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:07:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51N72RM013457 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:07:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51N6HNX022127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51N5j7L061572; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51N5f7L061368 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.217]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i51N5MEB001675 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:05:26 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c4482c$eebde600$d990d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] cartridge pleating and skirt waistbands Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:31:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "ruthanne baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] cartridge pleating and skirt waistbands > Take a look: they're cartridge pleats. One thing that makes the sandwiching > possible is that they aren't very deep pleats; another is that the sandwich > isn't really flat. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner I don't have access to any academic robes, or Protestant clerical robes, so I'm going to have to take peoples word for how they are constructed. Thanks for the explanation from everyone though, it's now much clearer to me I just didn't understand how you could sew a two layers of fabric together without squishing whatever is in between flat. Now I understand that in fact you are not sewing the two layers of fabric to each other but to opposite sides of the cartridge pleats. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:09:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51N9tRM013465 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:09:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51N9GNX022559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51N9F7L063820; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51N5g7L061388 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.217]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i51N5MED001675 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:05:29 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c4482c$f0479340$d990d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: clothing and sunburn Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:33:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: clothing and sunburn > There is now a new medical recommendation for people. People seem to be low > on Vitamin D so it is recommended to get in the sun for about 2 minutes > without sunscreen. This is recommended for those who tend to stay indoors a > lot. > > De yes but you can get that much exposure going from your house to your car and then into your office each day (or public transport). Then again here in Australia they are constantly telling us about the dangers of sun because of the ozone hole & more sunshine than you tend to get in most parts of northern Europe. And vitamin D deficiency is rare round here unless you're unable to get outside at all. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:31:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51NVHRM013576 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:31:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NUdNX024506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NUZ7L078101; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NUY7L078092 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.45]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVIiI-0006fF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <32825090.1086132633953.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:30:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ISO Viking sewing machine pedal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm patiently (or not so patiently :) trying to find and buy an _extra_ pedal assembly for my secondhand Viking. This is one of the older, all-metal models that I got a good deal on a few years ago, and I like it a lot -- I have costumer friends who have had the same model for 30 years and it's still working just fine. The problem I have is that, the way I have mine set up, in order to unplug it from the wall and take it with me somewhere, I have to crawl under the worktable, untangle cords from boxes full of "stuff", move the worktable out from the wall (and it has full bookcases sitting on it) and persuade a stout electrical plug through a narrow opening. This is a whole lot of hassle, and as a result, I almost never take my sewing machine anywhere. OTOH, if I had a second pedal, I could merely unplug my machine from its "home" cord, pack the machine up, throw the "extra" pedal assemblage into the traveling case, and go. The model number is Viking 565, and the pedal assembly has two cords leading from a single unit that plugs into the back of the machine: one cord goes to the electrical outlet, the other to the foot pedal. I do have a "watch" out on eBay, and I see something similar maybe once a month, but so far it's always been an entire sewing machine plus pedal for sale (for too much money), a pedal that's for either a much earlier or later model, or something with a starting price around $50+. Anyone have leads on other sources for such bits of equipment? ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:43:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51Nh0RM013642 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:43:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nf7NX025701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nf47L084475; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nf27L084452 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.33.46.3]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040601234101.HQGK1551.out004.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:41:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00f801c44831$e8c92430$032e2104@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:41:06 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.33.46.3] at Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:41:01 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not understanding the difference between "tucks" and hems, can you explain? B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow > (I speak from experience) > > When making children's costumes, remember that they grow UP faster than they > grow OUT. I put 3-5 1" tucks in chemises. One would look funny. Remember the > arm length too. I found that worked better than the extra hem, just as Wendy > mentioned in her message (below). If your children are going to wear > hoopskirts or heavy skirts of any kind, either sew the bodice to the skirt > or put suspenders on EVERY skirt. They have no hips and can just step out of > their skirts at the most inopportune times. > > I also made peasant type chemises, even for my court babies, under the age > of 2. That way I could whip the front to the back after lunch and > hey-presto! a clean chemise in time for the queen's arrival and the > subsequent photos. > > LynnD > > On 6/1/04 2:29 PM, "zski@ripco.com" wrote: > > > I woudl think rather than large hems (which will wear along the bottom) > > another option might be tucks done higher up on the skirt. > > > > The folded edge will still get creased, so you'd want to add some trim when > > you let it down, but I think it would wear less than an actual hem that > > dragged on the ground. > > > > I am currently planning "baby's first bodice" for a friend who is expecting > > in Sept. I know it's not period, and she'll have plenty of basic chemises > > & tunics to crawl about in and wear out, but it's cuuute and appropriate > > for the little wench-ling we expect she will be. > > > > Wendy Z > > ...you mean I'm NOT in Oklahoma?... > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:44:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51NiURM013647 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:44:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Ni1NX025930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Ni07L086262; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nhu7L086239 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.33.46.3]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040601234356.HQYM1551.out004.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: <010001c44832$50e8df60$032e2104@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:44:00 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.33.46.3] at Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:43:56 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree that it is a shame, art, music and home ec. were the first programs to be thrown out the window. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing > Apparently Home Ec is going the way of the Dodo and Passenger pigeon. I was > trained as a home ec teacher but decided I didn't want to put up with the > bureaurocracy & red tape. When I moved to San Diego (in a rural area, by > the way) I called the local high school to donate my sewing machine diagrams > and other teaching aides to them. I was informed they had no sewing > classes!!! Now that my kids have been through the local school system, I > know that they have a teeny tiny little class that covers a bit of cooking, > handling your check book, and for extra credit you can take home an > extremely obnoxious doll called "Baby Think It Over". The idea is to show > the kids how much work a newborn is - and they only have to put up with the > crying. No poop or barf to deal with. (As a side note, they had a variant > of the doll, the crack baby, that got you even more extra credit. The > school had to discontinue this practice because the students and parents > often returned to the school the next day hysterical.) > > This is all so sad. The home ec classes were some of the most practical and > valuable ones given - and now they're not. > Julie > > > > >Do they do Home Economics and sewing any more? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:50:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51NodRM013663 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:50:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51No3NX026397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nnx7L089839; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nnw7L089755 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1090809 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:49:49 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:49:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f801c44831$e8c92430$032e2104@brandyscomp> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As we've been using it for this topic, a double hem is a hem that' turned over and turned over again to make it huge. A tuck is a horizontal fold, of any width. Then it gets sewn up and ironed down. If you make two or three tucks in a row, it makes a pattern and shortens the skirt/chemise/whatever by twice the width of the tuck/s. I make as many in the sleeve as in the body for a child's chemise but make them smaller, in proportion. As we said before they tend to grow taller faster than they grow out. LynnD On 6/1/04 4:41 PM, "Brandy Deming" wrote: > I am not understanding the difference between "tucks" and hems, can you > explain? > > B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Downward" > To: "h costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow > > >> (I speak from experience) >> >> When making children's costumes, remember that they grow UP faster than > they >> grow OUT. I put 3-5 1" tucks in chemises. One would look funny. Remember > the >> arm length too. I found that worked better than the extra hem, just as > Wendy >> mentioned in her message (below). If your children are going to wear >> hoopskirts or heavy skirts of any kind, either sew the bodice to the skirt >> or put suspenders on EVERY skirt. They have no hips and can just step out > of >> their skirts at the most inopportune times. >> >> I also made peasant type chemises, even for my court babies, under the age >> of 2. That way I could whip the front to the back after lunch and >> hey-presto! a clean chemise in time for the queen's arrival and the >> subsequent photos. >> >> LynnD >> >> On 6/1/04 2:29 PM, "zski@ripco.com" wrote: >> >>> I woudl think rather than large hems (which will wear along the bottom) >>> another option might be tucks done higher up on the skirt. >>> >>> The folded edge will still get creased, so you'd want to add some trim > when >>> you let it down, but I think it would wear less than an actual hem that >>> dragged on the ground. >>> >>> I am currently planning "baby's first bodice" for a friend who is > expecting >>> in Sept. I know it's not period, and she'll have plenty of basic > chemises >>> & tunics to crawl about in and wear out, but it's cuuute and appropriate >>> for the little wench-ling we expect she will be. >>> >>> Wendy Z >>> ...you mean I'm NOT in Oklahoma?... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:53:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51NrGRM013673 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NpXNX026527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:51:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NpW7L090781; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nol7M090351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51NqWHN008471 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:34 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040601164832.083ab4e0@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:50:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: [h-cost] ISO Viking sewing machine pedal In-Reply-To: <32825090.1086132633953.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earth link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm... couldn't you use an extension cord so that your pedal cord could plug in at a convenient location. I have power strips / extension cords all over the house so that I don't have to crawl under / over / around stuff to unplug something from the wall. Katie At 04:30 PM 6/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I'm patiently (or not so patiently :) trying to find and buy an _extra_ >pedal assembly for my secondhand Viking. This is one of the older, >all-metal models that I got a good deal on a few years ago, and I like it >a lot -- I have costumer friends who have had the same model for 30 years >and it's still working just fine. > >The problem I have is that, the way I have mine set up, in order to unplug >it from the wall and take it with me somewhere, I have to crawl under the >worktable, untangle cords from boxes full of "stuff", move the worktable >out from the wall (and it has full bookcases sitting on it) and persuade a >stout electrical plug through a narrow opening. This is a whole lot of >hassle, and as a result, I almost never take my sewing machine anywhere. > >OTOH, if I had a second pedal, I could merely unplug my machine from its >"home" cord, pack the machine up, throw the "extra" pedal assemblage into >the traveling case, and go. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:53:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51NreRM013677 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nr7NX026669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51Nr77L091730; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NqR7L091318 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 1EF625CC80C; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 048345CC742 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.212.11 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2106.198.93.212.11.1086133949.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ISO Viking sewing machine pedal From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.212.11 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: <32825090.1086132633953.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <32825090.1086132633953.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The model number is Viking 565, and the pedal assembly has two cords > leading from a single unit that plugs into the back of the machine: one > cord goes to the electrical outlet, the other to the foot pedal. > > I do have a "watch" out on eBay, and I see something similar maybe once > a month, but so far it's always been an entire sewing machine plus pedal > for sale (for too much money), a pedal that's for either a much earlier > or later model, or something with a starting price around $50+. > > Anyone have leads on other sources for such bits of equipment? > Have you tried letting the local sewing machine repairmen know that you would be interested if they took in a machine they couldn't repair? also, try running a wanted ad in the local penny saver now and then. if somebody has an old machine sitting around unused, he or she might be willing to sell you the machine for next to nothing just to get it out of their hair. then you would have a parts machine as well. just advertise for old viking parts machine, cause many people have their mom's or wife's old machine and don't know or care what model it is. then if it isn't right you just tell them it isn't the right model after you see it. My hubby bought me an old viking at the good will. I hate it. it is so hard to use. it must have been a bottom line machine, and I'm stuck with it cause he bought it. LOL well, I'm glad to say I have several that I do like using. wish it was the right machine to help you, but I seriously doubt it. LOL I'll check later. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 19:56:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i51NuERM013699 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NsRNX026744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:54:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NsQ7L092390; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i51NrU7M091909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51NtLHN009296 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:55:22 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040601165108.084e67d0@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:53:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing In-Reply-To: <010001c44832$50e8df60$032e2104@brandyscomp> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah ... that's what they have to do so that they can afford the security folk to protect the regular kids from the troublemakers that the schools aren't allowed to expel because it would be politically incorrect . Katie At 04:44 PM 6/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I agree that it is a shame, art, music and home ec. were the first programs >to be thrown out the window. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:17:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i520HNRM013816 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:17:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520GeNX028394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520Gb7L004666; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520GW7L004560 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.98.c5e4e3b (4394) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <98.c5e4e3b.2dee7653@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:16:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 6:12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hanstar88@yahoo.com writes: > The dress is for an English project, Y'know there is something symbolic about an empty dress....if she doesn't wear it. It's a nod at the fact the Desdemona Othello thinks exists, doesn't. But she should wear it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:20:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i520KZRM013877 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520InNX028526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520Im7L005943; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520HI7L005026 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from IceGirlNIN@aol.com) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1ea.2202ab5c (4340) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.2202ab5c.2dee7671@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:16:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread -Silk and other To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5024 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 4:52:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaurbik@optonline.net writes: So, I just orded some silk thread from "www.threadthings.com" two of their Tire 800m of machine twist silk -one black and one whilte. I have been using it abunch lately cause i have been making mundain slacks out of wool(lightweight) and some silk t-tunics for a firend. He wants me to use only silk thread on his silk and he is paying the thread. Each spool was $27. Is this a good price for silk thread? I've been purchasing my silk thread from www.uticathread.com - they have 925 yard spools for $8 apiece plus shipping and handling, any color (well. Any color from their color chart, which seems to be nice and large). The 925 yards is in OO/00 (one of the two) machine thread, which seems to be about the standard thickness of polyester and cotton threads. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:24:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i520OSRM013896 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520MhNX028747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520Ld7L007721; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520Ka7L006935 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.6b.2ae72efc (4394) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.2ae72efc.2dee7745@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: symbols and strawberries Re:Ideas for Desdemona's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 6:37:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, cyncorley@yahoo.com writes: > Shakespeare may have > intended with the embroidered strawberries on > Desdemona's handkerchief. I wonder if there are some already done up applique strawberries you could just buy and apply to a handkerchief? Or some you can cut from a printed fabric. Or you could paint them on. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:27:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i520RbRM013905 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:27:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520R2NX029238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520R07L011426; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520Qk7L011196 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.6b.2ae72efc (4394) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.2ae72efc.2dee7745@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: symbols and strawberries Re:Ideas for Desdemona's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/2004 6:37:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, cyncorley@yahoo.com writes: > Shakespeare may have > intended with the embroidered strawberries on > Desdemona's handkerchief. I wonder if there are some already done up applique strawberries you could just buy and apply to a handkerchief? Or some you can cut from a printed fabric. Or you could paint them on. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i520WCRM013914 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:32:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520UQNX029551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:30:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520UO7L013436; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au [203.26.120.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520Ru7L011851 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i520RgOw003326 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:57:43 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb008.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.22]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i520RanV003155 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:57:37 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:57:34 +0930 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0A@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@net.indra.com'" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:57:20 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-DCC-COLLEGEOFNEWCALEDONIA-Metrics: net.indra.com 1189; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] archives X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A few people mentioned storage of information that comes up in conversation. The H-Cost archives are located at http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ . There is a basic search engine. It only searches the "Subject" and "From" headers though, which is why having an appropriate subject line is Good. There are also yearly summaries. HTH, Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 20:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i520eDRM013933 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:40:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520dfNX000373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:39:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520dc7L019117; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i520d57L018771 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.110]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040602003857.PIPI19086.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <01cb01c44839$fb8eec00$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010001c44832$50e8df60$032e2104@brandyscomp> Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:38:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is eventually going to happen is that we will have tons and tons of computer programmers and atheletes, but no actors, musicians, clothing designers, writers.... Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing > I agree that it is a shame, art, music and home ec. were the first programs > to be thrown out the window. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:51 PM > Subject: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing > > > > Apparently Home Ec is going the way of the Dodo and Passenger pigeon. I > was > > trained as a home ec teacher but decided I didn't want to put up with the > > bureaurocracy & red tape. When I moved to San Diego (in a rural area, by > > the way) I called the local high school to donate my sewing machine > diagrams > > and other teaching aides to them. I was informed they had no sewing > > classes!!! Now that my kids have been through the local school system, I > > know that they have a teeny tiny little class that covers a bit of > cooking, > > handling your check book, and for extra credit you can take home an > > extremely obnoxious doll called "Baby Think It Over". The idea is to show > > the kids how much work a newborn is - and they only have to put up with > the > > crying. No poop or barf to deal with. (As a side note, they had a > variant > > of the doll, the crack baby, that got you even more extra credit. The > > school had to discontinue this practice because the students and parents > > often returned to the school the next day hysterical.) > > > > This is all so sad. The home ec classes were some of the most practical > and > > valuable ones given - and now they're not. > > Julie > > > > > > > >Do they do Home Economics and sewing any more? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 21:30:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i521U6RM014259 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:30:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i521RhNX003559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i521Rd7L044687; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i521Ra7L044626 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778225F848 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040601182704.00b0cee8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:27:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread -Silk and other In-Reply-To: <1ea.2202ab5c.2dee7671@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:16 PM 6/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I've been purchasing my silk thread from www.uticathread.com - they have 925 >yard spools for $8 apiece plus shipping and handling, any color (well. Any >color from their color chart, which seems to be nice and large). The 925 >yards >is in OO/00 (one of the two) machine thread, which seems to be about the >standard thickness of polyester and cotton threads. > >Christine Thanks Christine for sharing this info. I have been looking for a larger color range to match the leather I am working with. Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner & Creator of DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:31:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i522V3RM014739 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:31:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522UTNX007978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522UN7L079308; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522UK7L079286 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hrjones@socrates.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i522UJhi000568 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.197.218] (tnt-1-6.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.198]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i522UF8u000408 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:37:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] central repository - really Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:23 AM -0400 6/1/04, M Stewart wrote: >Hi folks... back to the topic in the topic... ; > > >C wrote... > >>It's a great idea but may cause more harm than good. >> >>The problem with pre-arranged archives of information is that they too >>easily become law without question regardless of origin or research. > >I disagree. Mainly because I am not talking about posting >definitive "This is how you do it" types of information. I was >envisioning more of "These are resources that are available" >information. > >For example, the conversation about sleeveless chemises in pre 1600 >Europe that sparked this idea produced a list of resources that >demonstrated the existence of such critters. There was no attempt >to set a standard, but there was a generation of resources from >many corners of the list. That is what I would like to capture. > >Having, or creating, a central repository would allow us to pool >our knowledge and resources. And I must say that I think the >readers of this list are capable of taking one person's opinion as >just that, one opinion. So I wouldn't object to having "This is >how *I did it" articles. It sounds like you're envisioning something like what "Stefan's Florilegium" does for rec.org.sca. He basically mines the newsgroup (and other related resources) for pieces of information which he organizes topically in archives. (He's also proactive about pointing people to it when he has archives relevant to a question being asked.) The up side is that it's a handy "first stop" for many well-ploughed fields. The down side is that the information isn't filtered at all for accuracy -- just for topic. And unlike answers actively given in a list or group, if a reader is given something questionable, there isn't an opportunity for others to point out the issues and alternatives. (I personally feel there aren't enough blinking neon caveats on the site -- but I can understand why that wouldn't be a priority.) One take-home less of the Florilegium is that it happened because one man just sat down and started doing it. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:34:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i522YZRM014757 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:34:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522Y5NX008187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522Y47L081162; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522Y37L081128 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a219.in-tch.com [66.62.107.19]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5229wE05636 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40BD3D5D.8050407@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:37:17 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I remember being forced to take Home Ec (yeah, I said "forced") in JrHigh. Back in the days when girls took HE, and boys took Shop. I hated it--we had to make things like this tasteless nasty hamburger casserole thing, and the teacher wouldn't let us add any herbs or spices. Ugh. And it was useless--I'd been cooking family meals and sewing for *years* by that point. I'd learned the sewing through 4-H, but Mom had taught me to cook when I was seven. --sue's 2 pence worth Julie wrote: > This is all so sad. The home ec classes were some of the most practical and > valuable ones given - and now they're not. > Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:42:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i522gPRM014815 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:42:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522fmNX008693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522fl7L084900; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522fj7L084877 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 60D635CC856; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0114.floodcity.net [198.93.211.114]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2889D5CC880 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BD3DA6.8D683344@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:38:30 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow References: <00f801c44831$e8c92430$032e2104@brandyscomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A hem is at the lower edge of the fabric, to hide the raw edge and prevent fraying. it can be deep as in the High quality clothing of old or very narrow as in childrens clothes and jeans and just about all ready to wear now days. through the ages, the wider hems were a mark of quality in the garment as it showed you weren't skimping on fabric, and also allowed more versatility in alterations. a tuck is a fold of fabric anywhere through the body of the fabric, Horizontally or vertically. In the bodice it is usually vertical, in the skirt USUALLY horizontal, but I have seen then vertical (probably not historically correct) in the sleeve it can be either. you can even do them bothways to creat a grid, but this is a modern embellishment, I don't think it would be correct for period clothing. The fold is stitched at a regular width (1/4 inch isn't uncommonly narrow for baby clothing and purely for decoration Pin tucks the width of a pin are very attractive. Tucks an inch wide or so are suitable for heavy fabrics on a deep skirt) which you determine by deciding what will look best on your fabric. as noted before, a set of three or five tucks is attractive and makes it a design feature. Kitty Brandy Deming wrote: > > I am not understanding the difference between "tucks" and hems, can you > explain? > > B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Downward" > To: "h costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: How They Grow > > > (I speak from experience) > > > > When making children's costumes, remember that they grow UP faster than > they > > grow OUT. I put 3-5 1" tucks in chemises. One would look funny. Remember > the > > arm length too. I found that worked better than the extra hem, just as > Wendy > > mentioned in her message (below). If your children are going to wear > > hoopskirts or heavy skirts of any kind, either sew the bodice to the skirt > > or put suspenders on EVERY skirt. They have no hips and can just step out > of > > their skirts at the most inopportune times. > > > > I also made peasant type chemises, even for my court babies, under the age > > of 2. That way I could whip the front to the back after lunch and > > hey-presto! a clean chemise in time for the queen's arrival and the > > subsequent photos. > > > > LynnD > > > > On 6/1/04 2:29 PM, "zski@ripco.com" wrote: > > > > > I woudl think rather than large hems (which will wear along the bottom) > > > another option might be tucks done higher up on the skirt. > > > > > > The folded edge will still get creased, so you'd want to add some trim > when > > > you let it down, but I think it would wear less than an actual hem that > > > dragged on the ground. > > > > > > I am currently planning "baby's first bodice" for a friend who is > expecting > > > in Sept. I know it's not period, and she'll have plenty of basic > chemises > > > & tunics to crawl about in and wear out, but it's cuuute and appropriate > > > for the little wench-ling we expect she will be. > > > > > > Wendy Z > > > ...you mean I'm NOT in Oklahoma?... > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:48:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i522mQRM014832 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:48:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522lqNX009238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522lp7L088212; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80509.mail.yahoo.com (web80509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.79]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i522lo7L088148 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dme_maud@pacbell.net) Message-ID: <20040602024745.78833.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.202.175.150] by web80509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:47:45 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406012345.i51Njl7M087445@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ISO Viking sewing machine pedal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris wrote: > I'm patiently (or not so patiently :) trying to find > and buy an _extra_ pedal assembly for my secondhand > Viking. Hi Chris-- Call The Place That Sells Sewing Machines in Santa Rosa (707-575-5259), tell them what you need, and they can probably order it for you and even make arrangements to ship it to you (so you don't have to drive to Santa Rosa). They are the ONLY people I let work on my machines--everybody else I've used does not seem to be able to do a decent job. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 22:53:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i522rERM014865 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522qhNX009543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522qg7L090561; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522qJ7M090352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i522upfc012169 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:56:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i522upN8012167 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:56:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] central repository - really Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:56:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406012256.50997.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 01 June 2004 10:37 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > The up side is that it's a handy "first stop" for many well-ploughed > fields. > > The down side is that the information isn't filtered at all for > accuracy -- just for topic. And unlike answers actively given in a > list or group, if a reader is given something questionable, there > isn't an opportunity for others to point out the issues and > alternatives. (I personally feel there aren't enough blinking neon > caveats on the site -- but I can understand why that wouldn't be a > priority.) How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of it. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 23:07:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5237WRM014918 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:07:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5236sNX010488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5236p7L097912; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5236n7L097871 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004060203064401600q8mnbe>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:06:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c4484e$a9e5dfc0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40BD3D5D.8050407@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:06:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue, Oh I *totally agree*. I also had been sewing and cooking for 7 in my family (mom, 3 bros 3 sisters) since I was about 10. When I was forced to take home ec, sewing was the worst. I was lucky that my cooking teacher's teaching plan was for each student to bring the recipe of their favorite whatever. That way each kid had an opportunity to 'show-off' cooking something they *liked* and only one time that they could cook something at least had one chance to have made at home. My contribution was the strawberry jello cake. Was a *smash hit*! Sure made me feel good! But the sewing portion was a disaster. By the time I had to take the class, I had already made a fully lined, sleeveless princess seamed wool jumper (not a sweater) with a back zipper. It turned out wonderful and was a perfect fit. Not bad for my first attempt. But in class I had to make an apron and a drindle skirt, and use exactly the methods dictated by the teacher. It didn't matter if a student had a different (or it's just better for her) way of doing things. And if the finished work didn't look like what she thought it was supposed to, the student had to rip it out and do it again. *sigh*. I remember ripping out more than a few stitches! If I recall, I got a B. I think it was because the teacher decided I just didn't follow directions very well. Ummm...she was right (hee hee hee). I think that's why I enjoy making my own patterns so much. Ah well. I learned more about being tolerant, realizing that there may be more than 'just one way' to do something. I figure, if it looks right and the people are happy, that is what works for him/her. Sometimes it takes experiencing a situation to open the mind to other ideas. Happy stitches! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing > I remember being forced to take Home Ec (yeah, I said "forced") in > JrHigh. Back in the days when girls took HE, and boys took Shop. > I hated it--we had to make things like this tasteless nasty hamburger > casserole thing, and the teacher wouldn't let us add any herbs or > spices. Ugh. And it was useless--I'd been cooking family meals and > sewing for *years* by that point. I'd learned the sewing through 4-H, > but Mom had taught me to cook when I was seven. > --sue's 2 pence worth > > Julie wrote: > > > This is all so sad. The home ec classes were some of the most practical and > > valuable ones given - and now they're not. > > Julie > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 23:12:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i523C0RM014936 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:12:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523BWNX010868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523BV7L000413; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80511.mail.yahoo.com (web80511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i523BQ7L000336 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:11:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dme_maud@pacbell.net) Message-ID: <20040602031121.25319.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.202.175.150] by web80511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:11:21 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406020243.i522hk7M085976@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: home economics & Sewing (probably becoming OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katie wrote: > Yeah ... that's what they have to do so that they > can afford the security > folk to protect the regular kids from the > troublemakers that the schools > aren't allowed to expel because it would be > politically incorrect . Actually, that's not the case in California (and the high school I teach at has the highest expulsion rate in the United States). For the past 7-10 years, there has been two real "pushes": 1) EVERY kid is going to the University of California or the California State University, even if they have no interest in attending, so their counselors push them to take foreign languages, art classes, and lots of science, math, and English so they meet the requirements to get in; and 2) the requirements for graduation are continually racheted up by the State and the Feds, so the kids have to take remedial English, math, social studies, and science just so they can graduate. Vocational classes (home economics, "shop" classes, computer classes, etc.) are expensive to operate, and don't meet the requirements to enter the UC, so students are steered away, and administrators cut those to add more academic classes. Sorry to seem so peevish about this, but I've watched my school go from 40 sections of vocational classes to 15 in 5 years; during the same time we grew from a 3-year to a 4-year high school, with about 400 additional students. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 23:46:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i523kLRM015165 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:46:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523iYNX013066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523iS7L017505; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523iM7M017445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523mtfc012556 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:48:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i523mtru012554 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:48:55 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cartridge pleating and skirt waistbands Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:48:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040527210038.NJVP27801.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> <40B68028.E9F9CC1@floodcity.net> <40B68316.4060108@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <40B68316.4060108@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406012348.54644.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 27 May 2004 08:08 pm, Cynthia Virtue wrote: [snip] > A well-executed gown in the proper style for whatevery historical period > you like, will look good on any size person. Sure, if you're a size 24, > you won't look like a slender woman, but you can look queenly or elegant > or fashionable no matter what size you are, if you make the right choices. Largely true, but I believe there are exceptions. I'm barely 5 feet 1, and in the large-sleeved wide skirted styles of the mid-1890s I look like a misproportioned dwarf. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 1 23:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i523lMRM015180 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523kmNX013211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523kl7L018669; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i523kg7L018652 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from karoleesmiley@earthlink.net) Received: from h-68-164-88-38.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.88.38] helo=[10.0.1.4]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVMiA-0004lk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:46:42 -0700 Message-ID: <40BD4DA1.70205@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:46:41 -0700 From: Karolee Smiley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: home economics & Sewing (probably becoming OT) References: <20040602031121.25319.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040602031121.25319.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Also, there is a cap on how many kids can be safely enrolled in a vocational class. A teacher can not watch 32 kids at one time. Since students are using equipment where they could injure themselves, class sizes must be smaller for supervision. With caps of 24 students, most districts consider it "uneconomical" to have a vocational class when they could just as easily squeeze 32+ kids (especially the hazardous ones, since most schools do not expel problem children). Three years ago we lost metal shop and two years ago we lost the wood shop and consumer ed (which was cooking, embroidery and life skills-with the babies) We only offer art, band and one period of computers- with around 1000 students at my California school. Most of the kids are in remediation classes. This generation will not have any understanding of sewing or learn to develop hobbies beyond videogames. Back to lurk mode Karolee Smiley Dawn Jacobson wrote: >Katie wrote: > > > >>Yeah ... that's what they have to do so that they >>can afford the security >>folk to protect the regular kids from the >>troublemakers that the schools >>aren't allowed to expel because it would be >>politically incorrect . >> >> > >Actually, that's not the case in California (and the >high school I teach at has the highest expulsion rate >in the United States). For the past 7-10 years, there >has been two real "pushes": 1) EVERY kid is going to >the University of California or the California State >University, even if they have no interest in >attending, so their counselors push them to take >foreign languages, art classes, and lots of science, >math, and English so they meet the requirements to get >in; and 2) the requirements for graduation are >continually racheted up by the State and the Feds, so >the kids have to take remedial English, math, social >studies, and science just so they can graduate. >Vocational classes (home economics, "shop" classes, >computer classes, etc.) are expensive to operate, and >don't meet the requirements to enter the UC, so >students are steered away, and administrators cut >those to add more academic classes. > >Sorry to seem so peevish about this, but I've watched >my school go from 40 sections of vocational classes to >15 in 5 years; during the same time we grew from a >3-year to a 4-year high school, with about 400 >additional students. > >Dawn > >===== >Dawn Jacobson >Vallejo, CA, USA > >Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 00:08:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5248bRM015325 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5246mNX014558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5246l7L028636; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5246j7L028618 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-51-021.jps.net ([209.165.51.21]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVN1Y-0002Fo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:06:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:05:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] central repository - really Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:23 AM -0400 6/1/04, M Stewart wrote: >Hi folks... back to the topic in the topic... ; > > >C wrote... > >>It's a great idea but may cause more harm than good. >> >>The problem with pre-arranged archives of information is that they too >>easily become law without question regardless of origin or research. > >I disagree. Mainly because I am not talking about posting >definitive "This is how you do it" types of information. I was >envisioning more of "These are resources that are available" >information. > >For example, the conversation about sleeveless chemises in pre 1600 >Europe that sparked this idea produced a list of resources that >demonstrated the existence of such critters. There was no attempt >to set a standard, but there was a generation of resources from >many corners of the list. That is what I would like to capture. Well, we sort of already have one, since this list does have archives. Here's the references, from about a year ago: >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:59:17 -0600 >From: Elizabeth Lear > >If you go to: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >You will see the following: > >ARCHIVES: >To search by keyword, use Eric Praetzel's searchable archive at: >http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives >Eric made some changes to the search method a few months ago that speed >the search but reduce your ability to search to just the name and subject >line ... not much use for many questions. I use the "old" search function, >which I believe is still available from his main search page, and I hope >it stays that way. Be as specific as you can in your search term (you can >pick only one), and you'll get faster searches if you do only one year's >worth of posts at a time. > The results are grouped by month, so when you click on one of the >search results, you'll get that whole month's worth of postings -- a big >download, but useful for reading whole threads. > >-- Method 2: >For older archives (1993-1996), go to Franchesca Havas' site at >http://www.io.com/~ches/h-costume/ . You can ftp or download zipped files. >I'm not sure if Ches has later archives too. I hope *someone* is keeping >them. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 00:45:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i524jVRM015550 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:45:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i524ioNX016766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i524ik7L046552; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i524ih7L046512 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 6017 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 04:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 04:44:58 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1202.24.4.69.40.1086151483.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <32825090.1086132633953.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <32825090.1086132633953.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ISO Viking sewing machine pedal From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would recommend contacting these guys: Meissner A-1 Household & Ind Bus 80 & El Camino Ave, Sacramento, CA 95821 Phone: (916) 920-2121 They are a large warehouse business that sells industrial & home model sewing machines & sergers. They also have a repair shop. I went to them when my dog chewed through my serger pedal cord, and they gave me a replacement one for cheap AND repaired my original. I remember them having a box of "extra" pedals hanging around so they might already have what you need. And if not, they will probably know how to get one. They also have the best parts department I have ever seen and keep almost everything ON HAND. So if you ever need parts and can't wait to have them shipped, they are worth a drive if you are in northern California. Good luck! Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 01:03:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5253kRM015589 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:03:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52532NX017579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5252w7L054945; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5252s7L054917 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 666945CC746; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0085.floodcity.net [198.93.211.85]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280845CC0D0 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BD5EE7.E6BEC00B@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:00:23 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cartridge pleating and skirt waistbands References: <20040527210038.NJVP27801.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> <40B68028.E9F9CC1@floodcity.net> <40B68316.4060108@thibault.org> <200406012348.54644.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes, if you make them as large as a larger woman would wear, but what if you made them in proportion to your figure. Instead of a ninety inch circumfrence, maybe fifty would be adequate for the LOOK fo the period without the dwarf look, and same with the sleeves. make them less wide, less poufy so that your silohette is in proportion. anyway, my 2cents worth, Kitty Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Thursday 27 May 2004 08:08 pm, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > [snip] > > A well-executed gown in the proper style for whatevery historical period > > you like, will look good on any size person. Sure, if you're a size 24, > > you won't look like a slender woman, but you can look queenly or elegant > > or fashionable no matter what size you are, if you make the right choices. > > Largely true, but I believe there are exceptions. I'm barely 5 feet 1, and in > the large-sleeved wide skirted styles of the mid-1890s I look like a > misproportioned dwarf. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > -Oscar Wilde > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 01:55:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i525t9RM015828 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i525rMNX019981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i525rF7L075758; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (smtp3.fuse.net [216.68.8.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i525rB7L075690 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.161.166.214]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with ESMTP id <20040602055304.PADB14124.smtp3.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:53:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040602014404.00b28950@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:46:10 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J.E. Marshall" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1910 fans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been asked what type of fan that a young woman would have used in 1910. Does anyone know of pictures that would illustrate them? Preferably online so that I can email the address to my friend? Thanks, Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 03:28:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i527SHRM009553 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:28:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i527RONX024215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i527RL7L018999; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i527RJ7L018979 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FD318F0D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:27:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p168.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.170]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 103A6D3EC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:27:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:27:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk17.html Can anyone guess what this woman has on her legs? Looks like cuffed pants. Also, http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1530shansomporange.htm The woman in green appears to have a greenish chemise. Any thoughts or better picture? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 04:28:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i528SERM010329 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:28:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i528QLNX026688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i528QJ7L043880; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i528Q07L043750 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AED992B0082; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:24:57 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AEA774301EC; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:24:07 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c4487b$196f5340$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:25:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Not Scanned X-Virus-Status: Not Scanned Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Graduation Costume History X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i528SERM010329 Status: RO Tis' the season of graduations in the Northern Hemisphere. So I have compiled an article about the History of Graduation Costumes. You may access the article at: http://www.costumegallery.com/graduationcostume.htm . Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 06:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52ASxRM010941 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ASMNX001940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52AS97L094806; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-dav46.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.162.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52AS77L094744 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:28:02 -0700 Received: from 207.68.54.253 by sea1-dav46.sea1.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:28:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.54.253] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:27:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 10:28:02.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[48C974C0:01C4488C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i52ASxRM010941 Status: RO There are two pictures by Lucas van Leyden showing respectively a milkmaid and a poor women wearing similar pants-like garments. Maybe it's a poor person thing? But what indeed are those garments? N Kiel ----- Original Message ----- From: otsisto To: Historic Costume Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 3:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk17.html Can anyone guess what this woman has on her legs? Looks like cuffed pants. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 08:53:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52CrURM011457 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52CquNX008721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Cqq7L059322; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Cqo7L059301 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i52CSkE19561 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40BDCE52.8090302@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:55:46 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] central repository - really References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <200406012256.50997.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200406012256.50997.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with you, Catherine, but in Heather's case, she was specifically referring to the Florilegium, and not to the general idea of such a thing. Stefan (the guy who hosts the Flori-thingy) *doesn't* filter much--it's up to the folks using it. That said, it's wonderful and I, at least, can easily get lost in it! ;o) --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 01 June 2004 10:37 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > [snip] > > >>The up side is that it's a handy "first stop" for many well-ploughed >>fields. >> >>The down side is that the information isn't filtered at all for >>accuracy -- just for topic. And unlike answers actively given in a >>list or group, if a reader is given something questionable, there >>isn't an opportunity for others to point out the issues and >>alternatives. (I personally feel there aren't enough blinking neon >>caveats on the site -- but I can understand why that wouldn't be a >>priority.) > > > How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what > information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of > images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, > would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require > people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of > it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 09:18:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52DIURM011586 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:18:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DGYNX010093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DGX7L071679; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DGV7L071607 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i52CqME27474 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40BDD3D5.4010209@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:19:17 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Boy, it *does* look like something cuffed, doesn't it? I doubt it's pants, though...maybe some sort of leggings or hose? I don't think the "woman in green" is wearing a green chemise. If we're both looking at the same part of the painting (which displays kinda dark on my monitor :o(), It's her dress--I'm thinking, maybe it's two shades of green, or partly green and partly black? I'm definitely seeing two different colors on her right sleeve. --sue, who likes both the outfits, but wonders what the decoration is on the apron in the first one.... De wrote: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk17.html > > Can anyone guess what this woman has on her legs? > Looks like cuffed pants. > > Also, > http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1530shansomporange.htm > > The woman in green appears to have a greenish chemise. Any thoughts or > better picture? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 09:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52DSgRM011616 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DR3NX010812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DR27L077478; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DQs7L077407 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.152] (pm5-152.eos.net [205.133.149.152]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52DQo56007688 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:26:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:25:23 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200406021254.i52CsK7M060059@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver running MimeDefang and SPAMAssassin X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 403 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: >>> A well-executed gown in the proper style for whatevery historical period >>> you like, will look good on any size person. Sure, if you're a size 24, >>> you won't look like a slender woman, but you can look queenly or elegant >>> or fashionable no matter what size you are, if you make the right choices. >> I have to disagree with this one. While it's certainly possible to make things look PRETTY good, especially because tailoring allows you to proportion things up and down, styles always favor a particular build and size. It's possible to make beautiful Elizabethan gowns for large-sized women, but it's not possible to make those gowns look like the ideal of the period. It's possible to make pretty 1840s ballgowns for large-boned, broad-shouldered women, but it's not possible to make them look like the ideal of the period, which was for gently rounded, slope-shouldered, rather short women. It's possible to make gorgeous Baroque gowns fit today's supermodels, but think Uma Thermond in "Dangerous Liaisons" -- it won't look quite right. If possible, I would recommend that people look for styles and periods that favor their shapes. If that's not what you want, then by all means make whatever period you like. There were always people who didn't fit the ideal, so why not you? But recognize ahead of time that you won't look like the picture postcard example. I would look terrible in flapper gear, for example. No matter how much I made it fit, it would not flatter me. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 09:34:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52DYJRM011646 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DWVNX011151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DWP7L080584; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DWK7M080524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52DVf2x022919 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:31:41 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BDD6E2.7010601@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:32:18 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Graduation Costume History References: <005101c4487b$196f5340$0300a8c0@MOM> In-Reply-To: <005101c4487b$196f5340$0300a8c0@MOM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > Tis' the season of graduations in the Northern Hemisphere. So I have compiled an article about the History of Graduation Costumes. You may access the article at: http://www.costumegallery.com/graduationcostume.htm . Thank you! That's a nice summary. I'm curious about the source of the gown being "the Benedictine habit." Academic robes look very much (to me) like the gowns that were commonly worn by wealthy middle-class men in the 1400s, which derived from the houppelande. Possibly a parallel development, then? http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1471_family_tree.jpg -- The two blue gowns, and maybe the red one. Later: the scholar in The Ambassadors: http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/Images/Ambassadors/Ambassadors.jpg -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 09:35:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52DZ0RM011662 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DYUNX011288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DYT7L081760; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:34:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52DYO7M081724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52DXl2x022935 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:33:47 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BDD760.6060809@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:34:24 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 403 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > It's possible to make beautiful Elizabethan gowns for large-sized > women, but it's not possible to make those gowns look like the ideal of the > period. (snip) > means make whatever period you like. There were always people who didn't fit > the ideal, so why not you? But recognize ahead of time that you won't look > like the picture postcard example. Right: if the picture postcard is a rail thin flapper, you're not going to look like that if you're 200 pounds. But that is an extreme example. There would be other appropriate choices from the flapper era. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 10:21:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52ELmRM011857 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52EL9NX015490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52EL77L012065; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52EL27L011943 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D87BD26280E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:20:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009301c448ac$dc962a20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1ea.2202ab5c.2dee7671@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread -Silk and other Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:21:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My two cents with using silk thread on silk. I always use silk thread on any silk fabric i use. I have never never found that the silk thread is two hush on the silk fabric. I was teached to use it in my Arts and Crafts school two. Also for buttonholes i use silk thread. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread -Silk and other > In a message dated 6/1/2004 4:52:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jaurbik@optonline.net writes: > So, I just orded some silk thread from "www.threadthings.com" two of > their Tire 800m of machine twist silk -one black and one whilte. I > have been using it abunch lately cause i have been making mundain slacks > out of wool(lightweight) and some silk t-tunics for a firend. He > wants me to use only silk thread on his silk and he is paying the > thread. Each spool was $27. Is this a good price for silk thread? > > I've been purchasing my silk thread from www.uticathread.com - they have 925 > yard spools for $8 apiece plus shipping and handling, any color (well. Any > color from their color chart, which seems to be nice and large). The 925 yards > is in OO/00 (one of the two) machine thread, which seems to be about the > standard thickness of polyester and cotton threads. > > Christine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 10:23:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52ENnRM011869 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ENCNX015812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ENA7L013588; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52EMA7L012725 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.4.166]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040602142205.VZNP28020.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:22:05 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c448ac$feb58420$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040602014404.00b28950@pop.fuse.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1910 fans Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:22:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] 1910 fans > I have been asked what type of fan that a young woman would have used in > 1910. Does anyone know of pictures that would illustrate them? Preferably > online so that I can email the address to my friend? > > Thanks, > Jennifer > > Hi! Everything Oriental was all the rage during Edwards reign, a nicely painted Japanese fan would probably do the trick. Added bonus, these are easy to come by and very inexpensive. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 10:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52EqnRM011999 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:52:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Eq6NX019104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Eq27L037115; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Epu7L036988 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.4.166]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040602145149.WKRH28020.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c448b1$29402f20$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040602014404.00b28950@pop.fuse.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1910 fans Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:51:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] 1910 fans > I have been asked what type of fan that a young woman would have used in > 1910. Does anyone know of pictures that would illustrate them? Preferably > online so that I can email the address to my friend? > > Thanks, > Jennifer Oops! Forgot to send the pictures with my post : http://shilohpostcards.com/p10537.jpg (1910) http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/soir_deux.jpg (1913) http://www.lecurieux.com/ed/ed0060.htm (1910) And there is always this kind of fan (hee): http://www.schenectadymuseum.org/archives11c.html Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:06:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52F6aRM012065 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52EuxNX019746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Euv7L041019; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Eup7L040878 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:56:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.74.3d122704 (4312) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <74.3d122704.2def44aa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:56:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Graduation Costume History To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny--in the colors, you left out "our" discipline, home economics, which is maroon. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:10:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52FAwRM012077 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:10:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52F1INX020287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52F1F7L044496; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52F047L043446 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.4.166]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040602145957.XEKJ28088.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c448b2$4befc5c0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:59:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Art Nouveau Jewelry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! Whatever you do, do *not* look at the prices!! http://www.vecerejewelers.com/catalog/2002/cat_nouveau.htm Check out this page and the two after it... Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:17:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52FH2RM012103 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FE0NX021499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FDM7L055551; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FDI7L055426 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allison@aristotle.net) Received: from aristotle.net (pcp456740pcs.shklfd01.ar.comcast.net[68.51.39.191]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004060215131101500nbiupe>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:13:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:06:56 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Allison To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200406021254.i52CsH7M060031@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <7D1C2FD6-B4A6-11D8-A343-000393D446D6@aristotle.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The recent posts about Home Ec have me wondering if there are any resources out there for teaching youngsters (AND others!) how to sew. I have been mulling over a plan to begin some classes in my area, but I have no idea what these classes would look like. I particularly want to figure out the lesson plans for basic classes, so I could figure out how many classes, number of students, cost, etc. Any advice or sources from you folks in costume-land? I'm thinking it might be nice to set up a permanent classroom, complete with machines, by getting a grant. That way, the students can learn the basics before needing to purchase a machine of their own. TIA, Allison P. allivox@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:38:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52FcqRM012232 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:38:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Fb0NX024437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Fau7L075643; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FaR7L075142 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.79.2b159dcf (4222) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <79.2b159dcf.2def4de8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:36:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2004 11:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, allison@aristotle.net writes: The recent posts about Home Ec have me wondering if there are any resources out there for teaching youngsters (AND others!) how to sew. I have been mulling over a plan to begin some classes in my area, but I have no idea what these classes would look like. I particularly want to figure out the lesson plans for basic classes, so I could figure out how many classes, number of students, cost, etc. Any advice or sources from you folks in costume-land? I'm thinking it might be nice to set up a permanent classroom, complete with machines, by getting a grant. That way, the students can learn the basics before needing to purchase a machine of their own. Some fabric stores teach classes. Some of them have machines and some don't. That was always the challenge I thought anyone would face in working at a place that didn't. But, if people bring their own machines, then each is different, and you have that to deal with. Quite frankly, I think the idea of getting a grant to equip a classroom won't fly, but more power to you if you can. There are probably as many lesson plans out there as there are instructors. Perhaps someone with more recent experience can share with you. I haven't taught in some years. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:42:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52FgSRM012246 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:42:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Fe4NX024808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Fe17L078376; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Fdu7M078250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:39:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-173.sonic.net [209.148.112.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i52Fdokk002985 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: <40BDF5E0.8080609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:44:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art Nouveau Jewelry References: <004801c448b2$4befc5c0$cb6afea9@sherry> In-Reply-To: <004801c448b2$4befc5c0$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But gorgeous. Fran Shane & Sheridan wrote: >Wow! Whatever you do, do *not* look at the prices!! > > http://www.vecerejewelers.com/catalog/2002/cat_nouveau.htm > >Check out this page and the two after it... > > >Sheridan > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:46:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52FkERM012260 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FiQNX025416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FiO7L082042; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Ff37L079186 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 234B95CCA36; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 680345CCA8D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.211.166 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1446.198.93.211.166.1086190860.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.166 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: <7D1C2FD6-B4A6-11D8-A343-000393D446D6@aristotle.net> References: <200406021254.i52CsH7M060031@net.indra.com> <7D1C2FD6-B4A6-11D8-A343-000393D446D6@aristotle.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've wanted to do this for years, and I searched for info a couple years ago online. There are lessons out there called something like teach me to sew, which are modern. they seemed expensive to me, but once you got started it might be cheaper. They even advertise them as a way to start a class with a complete lesson plan and even ads to place, I think. One resource I am looking into for my granddaughters (ages 8 and 4), given the costume atmosphere we have going in our group of friends is the Mary Frances series from the early 1900's. I did a search on Bibliofind to try to find it used and found it for half price or cheaper. it is available new from http://www.lacis.com/catalog/mfvict.html They want 28 dollars, but I also found it from several Amazon sellers for 14 something and from Amazon itself for 19.95 so beware where you buy anything. If it interests you, let me know and I will search my resources, who knows, we might find it even cheaper. Kitty I particularly want > to figure out the lesson plans for basic classes, so I could figure out > how many classes, number of students, cost, etc. Any advice or sources > from you folks in costume-land? I'm thinking it might be nice to set > up a permanent classroom, complete with machines, by getting a grant. > That way, the students can learn the basics before needing to purchase > a machine of their own. > > TIA, > > Allison P. > allivox@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 11:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52FvIRM012317 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FuWNX026796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52FuU7L092330; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i52FuM7L092167 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OoNaigMdPBvzsbGqQ4n5Vn4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JW5P8SGG; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:55:44 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:25:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Proposal Message-ID: <20040602.085521.996.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lovely site, Lynn! Arlys On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:24:14 +0100 Lynne Connolly writes: > On 19:56 01/06/2004 Bjarne og Leif Drews said > >Very lovely dolls you made here. And you caught the essentials of > each > >period very well, and this is not easy in such small dolls. > >Congratulations! > > Thank you! I have found that sometimes it's better to go with the > pattern > as used at the time, so I do research construction techniques > carefully. > You do sometimes have to simplify, but when you make an eighteenth > century > sacque the way they did, it works out surprisingly well, even in > 1/12th scale! > > > Lynne Connolly, GSOLFOT > The latest Richard and Rose adventure, HARLEY STREET, is here! > http://www.novelbooksinc.com/>Novelbooks Inc. > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynneconnolly/ > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:06:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52G6URM012360 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:06:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52G59NX027902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52G547L099556; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i52G4v7L099371 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:04:47 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:04:47 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Hope, Sorry I'm weighing in late here. If you are looking for patterns to start off with I can recommend the Mantua Maker Regency Stays pattern and for the smock if you need a pattern, I would recommend the Kannick Korners one. Both of these are based on extant items. Wearing the correct stays as opposed to some of the cheats like the La Mode Bagatelle petticoat with bodice makes a huge difference. I was amazed when I tried the Regency corset for the first time in April that you actually wind up looking like the portraits with your bust around your collarbone... While I can't specifically address American fashions of the time, the most common error I see in reenactor's stuff is the side back seams not being in the correct place (should be on a curved diagonal approx. same place as the 16th c. ones you see in Alcega) and the armsceye resembling the modern one. Many of the extant gowns I have seen have armsceye cut more toward the spine than modern ones. Does that make sense? I hope this helps. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >I'm leaping ahead a few centuries from my normal interests and >undertaking a Regency gown. Or, to be more specific, an American gown >circa 1812 or slightly earlier, for a "War of 1812" event this fall. >I've collected a bunch of links, images, and have the Arnold and Waugh >books, but, of course, wanted to ask the members here for advice. > >So: > - I want to start with underthings. Any advice about corset making. >Things to do, not to do, "gotcha's" etc.? > - layers? shift, corset, petticoat, pantalets? > - any recommendations about how "real life" American clothing would >differ from the English fashion plates or how up-to-date a fairly >well-off and fashionable American woman would dress in 1812? > - any "dead give aways' about design (ex.: sleeves in 1812 would look >like this, but by 1815 would not; the bodice in pre-1812 gowns would be >shaped like such-and-such but not like that, etc.) > - special advice for a gown for a woman of, ahem, mature years (49) > - should I be looking at day dresses or outdoor wear (many of the >events will be outdoors, some inside, one dancing event, but that's >during the day as well) > - fabric advice? > >I usually spend months looking at and collecting images before even >starting to think about sewing, but this time the timeline is a bit >shorter, so any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Oh yes, and I >want to go for as authentic as possible. Looking weird is OK--no need to >make concessions for 21st century standards of beauty. > >Thanks!! > >- Hope > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:20:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GK8RM012423 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:20:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GJVNX029715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GIR7L010979; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GDQ7L006345 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.7.) id 6.136.2f114793 (3890) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <136.2f114793.2def5698@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:13:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2004 12:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@eudoramail.com writes: Many of the extant gowns I have seen have armsceye cut more toward the spine than modern ones. Does that make sense? I find this especially true for the very early 19th century--seems to be a holdover from the old 18th c. narrow back. But it seems to migrate more towards a "normal" position by the 1910s. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GM9RM012439 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:22:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GLbNX000264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GLY7L014192; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GJe7L012011 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.7.) id 6.136.2f114793 (3890) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <136.2f114793.2def5698@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:13:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2004 12:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@eudoramail.com writes: Many of the extant gowns I have seen have armsceye cut more toward the spine than modern ones. Does that make sense? I find this especially true for the very early 19th century--seems to be a holdover from the old 18th c. narrow back. But it seems to migrate more towards a "normal" position by the 1910s. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:27:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GR9RM012459 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GQUNX000717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GQT7L017879; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GQQ7L017829 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 4E3E75CCA2D; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0166.floodcity.net [198.93.211.166]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24005CCA79 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BDFF09.6B3DF167@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:23:37 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing References: <40BD3D5D.8050407@in-tch.com> <000b01c4484e$a9e5dfc0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I guess I was a freak. As the eldest of five, I could cook and sew by the time I started JR High, but I looked forward to my 9 weeks of sewing and cooking. I was excited, maybe cause I would have a certain block of time I was SUPPOSED to sew. I was very dissapointed to find I had to share a sewing machine, but I managed to sew 7 or eight of those aprons torn from a yard of fabric in the time it took the other girls to sew one. by the time christmas rolled around, I had learned a little bit about showing off though. LOL I got the guilts at my showing off and began to help the other girls. So I may not have learned much about sewing, but I learned. as for cooking, we had a pretty good teacher for that too, she had us cooking pretty interesting stuff and using spices and cooking ethnic foods. all in all, I would have to say I had a good Home Ec experience. I would have liked to be a Home Ec teacher. but I might not have been a good one, I never was able to teach my kids how to boil water. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:31:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GVMRM012486 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:31:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GUeNX001253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GUB7L020928; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GU77L020892 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.15]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYO00LLIWI2NC@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [167.206.5.71] (Forwarded-For: [204.126.240.6]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:30:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:30:01 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] central repository? To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually I SEWED my finger once... I sewed right through the tip of my left pointer. I was trying to sew dark material with a sewing machine sitting on the floor, with my primary light behind me.... Missed the nail thankfully.... And also, we sit and dream and hope that others are dreaming the same dream. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Ballis > As I explained to a group of studentcostumers who had the recent mis-fortune to have me speak to them, costuming can be a solitary pursuit: costumers scramble away at their work and pop their heads up every three months for a quick look around before gettingonto the next project. It is nice to know there are others out there hammering their thumbs and catching their fingers under size 18 machineneedles, > > -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GaBRM012503 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:36:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GWsNX001581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GWi7L023044; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GWg7L023014 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD96228F22 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:32:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p339.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.85]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9824BC5EC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:32:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:33:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40BDD3D5.4010209@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- She's bare foot so it isn't hose. I thought it was black until I read the notation next to it. But it looks like puffs pulled through the slashes. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:38:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GcoRM012514 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:38:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GbbNX002082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GbX7L026851; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GbU7L026798 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.33.47.131]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040602163728.TKIJ15848.out010.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:37:28 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c448bf$e6aae790$832f2104@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7D1C2FD6-B4A6-11D8-A343-000393D446D6@aristotle.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:37:31 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.33.47.131] at Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:37:28 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If anyone has started classes in there area I would definitely like to know how they did it. Brandy queenscorner@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew > The recent posts about Home Ec have me wondering if there are any > resources out there for teaching youngsters (AND others!) how to sew. > I have been mulling over a plan to begin some classes in my area, but I > have no idea what these classes would look like. I particularly want > to figure out the lesson plans for basic classes, so I could figure out > how many classes, number of students, cost, etc. Any advice or sources > from you folks in costume-land? I'm thinking it might be nice to set > up a permanent classroom, complete with machines, by getting a grant. > That way, the students can learn the basics before needing to purchase > a machine of their own. > > TIA, > > Allison P. > allivox@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:50:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GowRM012597 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:50:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GoNNX003440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GoJ7L037501; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i52GoG7L037378 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:49:52 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:49:52 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: RE: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.65 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Actually, that made me think. Weren't footless hose in use before the 16th century? What about the idea that it the bottom of the footless or stirrup-type hose rolled up at the ankle? Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:33:16 From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: >pants, though...maybe some sort of leggings or hose?> > >She's bare foot so it isn't hose. Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 12:56:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52GutRM012636 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GuINX004225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52GuG7L042613; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Gu97L042520 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-24-31-232-81.kc.rr.com [24.31.232.81]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i52Gu4Bm029465 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "K. Hanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:57:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <005701c448bf$e6aae790$832f2104@brandyscomp> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Many places that sell sewing machines also have regular classes. Several fabric stores in my area do this as well. Talia > If anyone has started classes in there area I would definitely > like to know > how they did it. > > Brandy > queenscorner@verizon.net > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 13:32:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52HWDRM012845 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HVYNX008942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HVW7L072464; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HSA7M069425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104077.uvm.edu [132.198.104.77]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HS691011572 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <40BE0E31.1000201@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:28:17 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to all who have replied re: first time regency. Much helpful information! I've since learned that the event date is for Fall 1814, so I'm hoping I can make a slightly more substantail gown (less diaphanous fabric, long sleeves, made up to the throat or with a chemisette) with perhaps a pelisse in a slightly military style. Any opinions? Am I on safe ground or would a pelisse at this date be too early? I definitely do not want to have a gathered neckline on the gown--too reminiscent of 1960s/70s flower child gowns! And I want to have enough fullness in the skirt back, with the little pad at center back, but no train for this date, correct? Still haven't made a fabric choice. Linen for the pelisse, but lawn or linen for the gown? Probably not white. Does anyone have a source for a nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? I'll probably just draft my own corset based on the extant examples from the Kyoto Costume ehibit/book instead of using a commercial pattern. That way I can be sure it is properly, ahem, uplifting. They do seem a bit long, though. Does anyone have advice about length, especially in terms of busk length and being able to sit down? Thanks again! - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 13:45:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52HjhRM012953 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:45:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Hj3NX010466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Hiu7L083828; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Him7L083638 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.3c.3fb91218 (3657) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.3fb91218.2def6c04@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:44:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2004 1:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Still haven't made a fabric choice. Linen for the pelisse, but lawn or linen for the gown? Probably not white. Does anyone have a source for a nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? What is the time of year of the event again? Is it cold enough that you want a wool pelisse? You could do a lightweight cotton, like batiste, for the gown, in a color if not white. While I won't say absolutely that silk was never worn during the day, I think it is more appropriate for evening so would stick to cotton or, if you can find it, a lightweight linen (many of the ones I see are pretty heavy and stiff for a gown.) And most people recommend against dupioni, even for evening. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 13:51:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52Hp2RM012963 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:51:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HoKNX011097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HoG7L088286; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:50:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from passionfruit.cc.columbia.edu (IDENT:cu41754@passionfruit.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.167]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52HoC7L088232 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from asj2001@columbia.edu) Received: from passionfruit.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by passionfruit.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52Ho9dD015414 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by passionfruit.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i52Ho9Oj015413 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.174.226.193 ( [172.174.226.193]) as user asj2001@cherimoya.cc.columbia.edu by cubmail.cc.columbia.edu with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:50:09 -0400 From: asj2001@columbia.edu To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200406021608.i52G857L002159@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200406021608.i52G857L002159@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 172.174.226.193 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 404 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear List, I am looking everywhere for appropriate tassels for my 1778 robe a la circassienne. I need two smaller ones to hang from the shoulder blades and two larger ones to hang where the skirt en polonaise is caught up, and they need to be a golden color. The trouble is finding some that do not look too modern i.e. synthetic metallic. I cannot afford realistic metallic ones, so I am looking for something in silk or cotton. My dressmaker has talked to various tassel-makers but for some reason there is always a problem. Does anyone know a way to find them or have them made? If you would like a picture of how the originals look in the print, the dress is based on the second plate in Stella Blum's collection of prints from the Galerie des Modes (I actually had the "ruban tigre" pattern printed on bias strips of silk) or I can send you a scan privately. Any help would be appreciated and I am prepared to try to help all of you in any way I can. Thank you, Alexia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 14:04:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52I4XRM013034 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52I3oNX012731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52I3n7L099365; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52I0V7L096463 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sleepyunicorn@citlink.net) Received: (qmail 30198 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from gw1.bigip.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (HELO localhost) ([66.133.131.1]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.23) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2004 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from 163.153.90.233 ([163.153.90.233]) by webmail.frontiernet.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:00:30 -0400 Message-ID: <20040602140030.i2v0g84kwg4wowcs@webmail.frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:00:30 -0400 From: "sleepyunicorn@citlink.net" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO New York State has a proposal out to cut the now-mandated Home Ec classes in 6-7-8 down to 20 weeks. It looks like the Regents are going to do this - we'll know in a month or so. I am one of the very, very few Home Ec (now called FaCS, or Family and Consumer Science) who actually like to sew clothes. I know a couple of them that sew quilts, but most don't like to, and certainly do not like trying to teach a large class. And it depends - can you handle a truly obnoxious group of 29 t0 36 kids when you give them scissors, pins, and the deadly seam ripper? As schools look to cut whatever classes and whatever teachers they can, any "extras" like the High School Home Ec classes are usually the first to go. they aren't necessary to meet the graduation requirements, and they do have to both pay a teacher and pay for extra supplies. Most people do not realize how much the No Child Left Behind Act is costing schools. Try to take any child failing a class and give them extra help during the school day. Try to find an available certified teacher who is free to do this. You can't without adding teachers. And my position was "abolished" last month, so I am out job hunting. They are going to have the Agriculture teacher teach the mandatory Home Ec courses, so absolutely no sewing will get done now. Rowena Who is both working overtime to try to fix my very old house so I can sell it, while Job hunting. If you see any openings listed...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 14:06:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52I62RM013043 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:06:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52I40NX012771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52I407L099501; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52I0v7L096811 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.cf.e3be8e3 (3874) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:00:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2004 1:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > Does anyone have a source for a > nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or > would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an > acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? > Don't use dupioni unless there's a plaid or something that is just what you were thinking of. If the colors are perfect, I can forgive the dupioni. It will soften up if you wash it in hot water. Linen is great. But if it's winter [or summer for that matter] I think silk for day is ok....as long as it's not outrageously opulent. A china silk gown would be lov-er-ly. A window pane or check silk would be cute. With a silk twill pelisse. If you find the right twill but it's too light, flatline it with something the right weight. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 14:13:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52ID4RM013067 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:13:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ICNNX013846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ICL7L006710; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ICI7L006585 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADD34264A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40BE19D4.5040002@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:17:56 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tassels (Was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 404 References: <200406021608.i52G857L002159@net.indra.com> <1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO asj2001@columbia.edu wrote: > Dear List, I am looking everywhere for appropriate tassels for my > 1778 robe a la circassienne. I need two smaller ones to hang from > the shoulder blades and two larger ones to hang where the skirt en > polonaise is caught up, and they need to be a golden color. The > trouble is finding some that do not look too modern i.e. synthetic > metallic. Have you looked at the ones at fabric.com? They have several in gold colors and they do not look metallic. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 14:16:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52IGuRM013100 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52IF5NX014196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52IF07L008909; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52IEw7L008784 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CBC4264A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40BE1A77.7020108@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:20:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] brown and red repro fabrics on clearance References: <4.1.20040518002000.02092e30@mail.frys.com> <40AA2930.70903@reddawn.net> <02d801c44727$842488e0$c04ff504@Dan> In-Reply-To: <02d801c44727$842488e0$c04ff504@Dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It must have been one of those "manager's special" sales. I went back over the weekend to check, and the entire display was sold out (something like 18 bolts) and in fact none of the yellow clearance signs from my last trip were up anywhere. Dawn Genie wrote: > In St Louis, it's been on sale for $1 off the regulare price. This weekend > with the holiday sale it a % off plus 20% off your total sale. > > >>Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> >> >> >>>How long is the sale? Or is it just discounted? >> >>It's on clearance, which around here means until it is sold. At a dollar >>a yard I don't expect it to stay around too long, maybe a few weeks. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 14:49:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52InSRM013400 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52ImcNX017472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52IlX7L036184; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52IkS7L035458 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 797DE47FED4 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:46:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c448d1$e2fad2b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406021608.i52G857L002159@net.indra.com><1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> <40BE19D4.5040002@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tassels (Was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 404 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:46:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn Robe a la circasienne any chanse we will se a photo of it? :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] tassels (Was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 404 > asj2001@columbia.edu wrote: > > > Dear List, I am looking everywhere for appropriate tassels for my > > 1778 robe a la circassienne. I need two smaller ones to hang from > > the shoulder blades and two larger ones to hang where the skirt en > > polonaise is caught up, and they need to be a golden color. The > > trouble is finding some that do not look too modern i.e. synthetic > > metallic. > > Have you looked at the ones at fabric.com? They have several in gold > colors and they do not look metallic. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 15:01:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52J1vRM013463 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:01:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52J13NX019001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52J117L047743; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Iwm7L046018 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19121 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:01:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:01:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for... In-Reply-To: <40BC69B4.7070002@optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > Thank your for your posts. I always find anything you say, like many > others on this list, helpful and useful. On looking over your stuff, > I found that I have a question. You mention fitting the dress on over > a "properly fitted chemise". By that would the chemise that I wear > under my flemish market women dress (made from Margo Anderson's > Patterns for Elizabethan Dress) be the appropriate type of chemise? > It is basically a close fitting t-tunic. I'm not familiar with the pattern, but that sounds as though it might work, assuming the neckline is low enough that it won't show out from the neckline of the fitted dress. And if it's just for purposes of fitting, it doesn't matter if it shows, as long as you can reach inside as needed to manipulate things. The things to avoid are a lot of bulk; gathered necklines (which often create a lump); tightness to the point of restriction (particularly around the bust, which needs to be mobile); and too-deep armholes with not enough fabric to allow full motion. The trick with the armholes is that you should be able to compress the gusset fabric right against the underarm without restricting motion -- because that's what the armhole of the fitted dress will do. Sometimes I've found that a tightness problem around the armhole or on the arms is from a pulling on the chemise fabric, not a problem with the dress itself. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 16:52:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52KqNRM014095 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52KpZNX001314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52KpN7L035687; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52KpI7L035550 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BVchb-0002VO-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:51:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:50:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Graduation Costume History References: <005101c4487b$196f5340$0300a8c0@MOM> In-Reply-To: <005101c4487b$196f5340$0300a8c0@MOM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, how frightfully organised! In the UK it's just total anarchy really - every university and college chooses its own colours and styles of gown and hat. I think they are registered somewhere, to make sure they are all different - that'll be why my husband's university, a fairly recent one, has shocking pink gowns for PhDs and canary yellow for honorary degrees! Jean Penny Ladnier wrote >Tis' the season of graduations in the Northern Hemisphere. So I have >compiled an article about the History of Graduation Costumes. You may >access the article at: >http://www.costumegallery.com/graduationcostume.htm . > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumeclassroom.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 17:43:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52LhuRM014366 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Lg6NX006696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Lg17L076702; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Lfr7L076604 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16089 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:41:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] brown and red repro fabrics on clearance Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <40BE1A77.7020108@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it also depends on which store you are dealing with. We have two stores right in Omaha on buslines and neither one was clearancing this group when I visited. One was still working on reorganizing after the HF decision to cut down on crafts and eliminate framing in stores and the "big" store had just finished their new layout which meant I had to relearn where everything is! From the completed layout, I gather that quilting and home dec fabrics are now the big sellers as they have the most space and variety as well as being most accessible from the entrance. Not being able to visit the east side of the "pond", I ordered and got the little catalog from the exhibition "Jane Austen : Film and Fashion" from the Museum of Costume in Bath, UK just yesterday. Was just short of $14.00 in U.S funds on the old cc. Most of the photos are small because the catalog is, but it is all in color and 36 pages. The book covers the recent film and TV adaptations of JA's novels(1984-present). There are comments from some of the actors and designers from the films/TV on what the former thought of the costumes and what the later had to do design-wise to please a director's vision or Hollywood's insistence on a super-thin silhouette for the actresses. Included are close ups of fabrics from the Museum's collection, fashion plates, and some actual clothing as well as production stills, contemporary(Austen's era)illustrations of Bath, and a couple of photos of restored rooms in Bath today. For the Austenites, quotes from some of JA's novels and letters. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 18:59:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52MxLRM014710 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:59:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52MwhNX014332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52MwP7L035384; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52MwG7M035274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52N0PHN022085 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:00:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040602155629.07993e80@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:58:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance In-Reply-To: <40BE19D4.5040002@reddawn.net> References: <1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> <200406021608.i52G857L002159@net.indra.com> <1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-sgs_public_dcc_server-Metrics: net.indra.com 1199; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] robe a la circassienne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What's a 'robe a la circassienne'? How is it different from a la anglaise, a la francaise, etc? Katie the Ignorant >>Dear List, I am looking everywhere for appropriate tassels for my 1778 >>robe a la circassienne. I need two smaller ones to hang from the >>shoulder blades and two larger ones to hang where the skirt en polonaise >>is caught up, and they need to be a golden color. The trouble is finding >>some that do not look too modern i.e. synthetic metallic. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 19:02:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52N2lRM014729 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:02:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52N0wNX014586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52N0u7L037371; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-dav28.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.162.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Mxe7L036391 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:59:34 -0700 Received: from 207.68.54.253 by sea1-dav28.sea1.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:59:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.54.253] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40BE0E31.1000201@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:59:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.00.0013.2101 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:59:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2004 22:59:34.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[45B03620:01C448F5] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i52N2lRM014729 Status: RO Per C.W. Cunnington's English Women's Clothing in the 19th century: 1814--waist medium high, trimmings of floss silk and chenille are much used. Fabrics for summer are plain cambric, white French muslin figured with flowers or striped with colour, chintz, French washing silks (or foulards) & plaids; for winter, cloth [I think this means wool],merino, kerseymere. Pelisses now made cased in the back and sleeves if of sarcenet but is muslin cased all through the body; the casings are three together, as small as possible, and two inches between them. Hope this helps!! I've since learned that the event date is for Fall 1814, so I'm hoping I can make a slightly more substantail gown (less diaphanous fabric, long sleeves, made up to the throat or with a chemisette) with perhaps a pelisse in a slightly military style. Any opinions? Am I on safe ground or would a pelisse at this date be too early? I definitely do not want to have a gathered neckline on the gown--too reminiscent of 1960s/70s flower child gowns! And I want to have enough fullness in the skirt back, with the little pad at center back, but no train for this date, correct? Still haven't made a fabric choice. Linen for the pelisse, but lawn or linen for the gown? Probably not white. Does anyone have a source for a nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 19:46:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i52NkhRM014960 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:46:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52NivNX018094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Nin7L064583; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52Nik7M064550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52NnLfc016264 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:49:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i52NnLIm016262 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:49:21 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] central repository - really Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:49:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040601090736.01af1f28@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <200406012256.50997.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40BDCE52.8090302@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <40BDCE52.8090302@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406021949.21526.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 02 June 2004 08:55 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I agree with you, Catherine, but in Heather's case, she was specifically > referring to the Florilegium, and not to the general idea of such a > thing. Stefan (the guy who hosts the Flori-thingy) *doesn't* filter > much--it's up to the folks using it. [snip] I understand that, Sue. And one can certainly debate the utility of a resource like the Florilegium (though I certainly agree with you that it's a good thing to have, so long as you use it as a jumping-off point for research and don't treat it as gospel). No, my only point was that even if people disagree about whether creating another Florilegium would be a good thing, it's much harder to argue against making images of costume from period art more easily available. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 20:33:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i530XtRM015477 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:33:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i530W7NX021679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i530Vw7L091117; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i530Vu7L091092 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kendra@tweedlebop.com) Received: from unknown (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@69.106.229.230 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 00:31:55 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c44902$2be09fc0$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu><200406021608.i52G857L002159@net.indra.com><1086198609.40be1351285bb@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> <5.2.0.9.0.20040602155629.07993e80@mail.katiesorchids.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la circassienne Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:31:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ooo, I was just reading about these! I believe the main difference was that the overdress (robe) had short sleeves, which was worn over long undersleeves (not sure if these were part of the chemise or something else). There may be other differences as well that I've forgotten. - Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Pleasance" Subject: [h-cost] robe a la circassienne > What's a 'robe a la circassienne'? How is it different from a la anglaise, > a la francaise, etc? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 20:38:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i530cURM015507 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i530c0NX021973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i530bv7L094062; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i530bt7L094029 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kendra@tweedlebop.com) Received: from unknown (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@69.106.229.230 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 00:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c44903$0166cb60$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:37:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I'm thinking about making a Dutch mid-16th century (say 1540-1570) middle class woman's outfit, and as the Renaissance period is NOT my forte, does anyone have any particular resources they could recommend? I've been all through the sources on Drea's site, and started to look through books on Dutch painting of the period -- does anyone have any specific books, websites, or painters that they'd recommend? Also, obviously most of the research materials available are for upper class costume, with Drea's research on lower class Flemish dress beginning to fill in the gaps there. How do those of you who work on middle/merchant class costumes fill in the gaps? Do you just study the available resources and then make best guesses? (I focus on the 18th and 19th centuries, for which there are ample resources on the less well-to-do). Thanks, Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 21:29:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i531SxRM015725 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531PwNX024872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531Ps7L018167; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (demon.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531Pm7M017975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (localhost.comcen.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i531PaaP020298 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i531PZfo020296 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:35 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: demon.comcen.com.au: nobody set sender to karinne@spin.net.au using -f Received: from proxy.epa.nsw.gov.au (proxy.epa.nsw.gov.au [141.243.60.11]) by webmail.spin.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:35 +1000 Message-ID: <1086225935.40be7e0fb0789@webmail.spin.net.au> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:35 +1000 From: karinne@spin.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources References: <002b01c44903$0166cb60$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> In-Reply-To: <002b01c44903$0166cb60$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 141.243.60.11 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kendra, I do Middle-Class Dutch stuff from the period 1500-1530, so a little bit early for you but still may have useful advice. The sources I use are painters (I can give you a list of early Dutch painters if that helps, although a search at the webgallery of art under Dutch and an appropriate time period would be more useful) and any prints I can find, including woodcuts, engravings and illuminations, specific Dutch ones exist for this period (rather than Flemish, although these can still be used for purposes of rounding out an understanding of the style) This page here: http://w1.311.comhem.se/~u31138198/whitecap.html has some great portraits of Dutch women of this time on it, particularly the group setting. Unfortunately there I have found no direct documentary sources on clothing for this period, so I use Dutch history of this time to fill in gaps. The soon to be Kingdom of the Netherlands was at that time part of the Habsburg empire, and was directly ruled by Philip of Spain. Although rebellion against Spanish rule had started to foment by this time. The region also had trading interests in England and was taking over from the Hanseatic league as the most powerful trading force in the North of Europe. They had ties to German states in the surrounding areas, and had been influenced by Flanders for centuries, although by this time the Dutch had begun to move away from their influence and form a separate identity. There was a strong protestant movement, in the form of the Menonites although this was repressed by Spain (one reason for rebellion-to oppose the inquisition). The Netherlands also had the highest concentration of urban population in Europe at this time (my figures are at home, sorry) and had a very small nobility, who mostly lived in Flanders (one of the reasons for the difference between Flanders and The Netherlands) So how does this relate to Dutch clothing: They traded with England, some Dutch traders ended up living in England, so English sources from this time can be used as corroborating evidence, especially in the cut of the dresses which is very similar although I haven't seen any evidence of farthingales or corsets. They had influences from Germany as well (probaly explains the lack for farthingales and corsets). English and German clothing of this time is well documented so I find it useful to know about both areas. One of the main products of the time was cloth, both wool and linen (although the wool trade was starting to decline because of English protectionism) so these fabrics are very suitable for wear. Black seems to have been a common colour choice for the respectable burgess, possibly a result of the influence of the protestant movement. I hope this helps, it's just a general overview, so I'm happy to discuss more specific stuff. Cheers, Karinne Quoting Kendra Van Cleave : > Hi all, > > I'm thinking about making a Dutch mid-16th century (say 1540-1570) middle > class woman's outfit, and as the Renaissance period is NOT my forte, does > anyone have any particular resources they could recommend? I've been all > through the sources on Drea's site, and started to look through books on > Dutch painting of the period -- does anyone have any specific books, > websites, or painters that they'd recommend? > > Also, obviously most of the research materials available are for upper class > costume, with Drea's research on lower class Flemish dress beginning to fill > in the gaps there. How do those of you who work on middle/merchant class > costumes fill in the gaps? Do you just study the available resources and > then make best guesses? (I focus on the 18th and 19th centuries, for which > there are ample resources on the less well-to-do). > > Thanks, > > Kendra > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 21:31:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i531VKRM015742 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:31:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531TZNX025171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531TZ7L020017; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:29:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i531TR7L019931 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 14051 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 01:29:21 -0000 Received: from cts-san216120004175.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.175) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 01:29:21 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:29:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406021608.i52G857N002159@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know what's REALLY frustrating? To be a big time fiber head (if it involves fiber I've probably done it or at least read about it) and neither of my kids has any interest!! I've tried to get my daughter to sew her own custom outfits but she just can't be bothered. My husband does anything with metal. My son tried forging and my daughter tried soldering a ring for herself but no real interest. What is it with this generation and video games? At least they enjoy the sword fighting at our events, otherwise I'd swear they couldn't be MY children... Anonymous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 21:43:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i531hMRM015795 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531fWNX026051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531fU7L025961; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531fS7L025935 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:41:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@cybergal.com) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i531fRIY005204 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:41:27 GMT Received: from ctrlalt ([69.140.34.164]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:41:25 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <00d101c4490b$df30ed10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] armseye/sleeve redrafting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe not the perfect place to ask this, but here goes: I'm working on an adaptation of a modern jacket pattern with a 1/2" shoulder pad. I'm re-drafting both the front and back sections (it is princess seamed) to accomodate my rounded shoulders and C-cup bust size. My problems - the armseye on this (as on almost every other pattern I've ever used) is too large, making the sleeve pull unattractively at the bust line. How do I make it tighter from the shoulder down and still get the sleeve to fit? It's a 2-piece tailored sleeve so while I have seams I can play with, I don't know quite *how* to and none of my sewing books seems to address this. I'm willing to entertain all ideas. Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 21:53:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i531r4RM015824 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531qXNX026720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531qV7L031228; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:52:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i531qT7L031162 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.4.166]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040603015223.EIWK28020.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:52:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00ae01c4490d$6f541380$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:52:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew > You know what's REALLY frustrating? To be a big time fiber head (if it > involves fiber I've probably done it or at least read about it) and neither > of my kids has any interest!! I've tried to get my daughter to sew her own > custom outfits but she just can't be bothered. My husband does anything > with metal. My son tried forging and my daughter tried soldering a ring for > herself but no real interest. What is it with this generation and video > games? At least they enjoy the sword fighting at our events, otherwise I'd > swear they couldn't be MY children... > Anonymous Just wait until you have grandchildren, its pretty likely they will be interested. :-) My Father in law never had any interest in blacksmithing or metal work like *his* father was, but my husband is very much so. My Mom can sew, but never was as interested in it as both of my Grandmothers and I are/were. Wait and see. :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 22:02:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5322YRM015841 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:02:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5320hNX027424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5320e7L035286; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5320c7L035266 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.230.93.35.dial1.houston1.level3.net ([4.230.93.35] helo=camelot01) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BVhX2-0005lY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:00:37 -0700 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:00:39 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <200405312211.42671.cathy@thyrsus.com> Thread-Index: AcRHfVg7K35xKksbQtO+NS/N63ndRQBj4vIw Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120865165e9e57f56acc71d0821f9f4541fcf586173079df08a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i5320c7L035266 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, Yes---JoAnn's HAS sunk even lower than this. I have a friend that was working for JoAnn's and the manager put him in for a promotion because he was knowledgeable and RELIABLE about showing up for work----and Yes everyone was only " part time ". Instead of giving this young man a promotion---they fired him !! They gave the excuse that not everything on his résumé checked out. Oh---surprise---some of the computer companies that he had worked for had either been bought out or gone out of business. He actually had ALL of his W-2 forms from EVERY company he had worked for in the past five years. Can you do that ? The manager of that particular store was beside herself. He was the only employee that she had that could answer questions from the clients and that ALWAYS showed up and up in extra hours when she needed them. The major problem as I see it is that this guy actually had an education and knew what he was talking about. JoAnn's really does not want any full time employees that they have to provide benefits for. Sorry for the rant but this chain has lost all of my respect. Diane -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? On Saturday 29 May 2004 11:13 pm, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > Well all, I've heard your reports about how Joanne Fabrics only hire > > > part-timers who know little or nothing about sewing, and today > > > confirmed > > it. > > > > I was taking advantage of the 99 cent Simplicity pattern sale, and the > > > checkout girl asked, "Do you sew your own clothes?", in wonderment. I > > > replied yes, and she said, "That's cool". > > > > > > Hubby found it funny, but I thought it was too sad to be funny. Don't assume she's a moron. A lot of the Jo-Ann's stuff in my area is geared to quilters. As Elizabeth suggested, she may have been surprised to see somebody buying fabric for clothing rather than a quilt. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 22:14:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i532E0RM015899 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:14:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532C9NX028187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532C57L040843; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532C17L040791 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 52FC65CCA66; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0296.floodcity.net [198.93.212.42]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34315CCA71 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BE87E0.8F8F7532@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:07:28 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] armseye/sleeve redrafting? References: <00d101c4490b$df30ed10$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I might be able to help, but what exactly do you mean by too large, is the hole to large, do you want it tighter? a closer fitting sleeve and bodice? HOW does the bust line pull, where do the wrinkles point to? I did redraft a princess seam for a d cup for myself, and I also have slightly rounded shoulders, so I can perhaps visualize what you are saying, but I don't understand what you want for sure. Kitty A.Thurman wrote: > > Maybe not the perfect place to ask this, but here goes: > > I'm working on an adaptation of a modern jacket pattern with a 1/2" shoulder > pad. I'm re-drafting both the front and back sections (it is princess > seamed) to accomodate my rounded shoulders and C-cup bust size. > > My problems - the armseye on this (as on almost every other pattern I've > ever used) is too large, making the sleeve pull unattractively at the bust > line. How do I make it tighter from the shoulder down and still get the > sleeve to fit? It's a 2-piece tailored sleeve so while I have seams I can > play with, I don't know quite *how* to and none of my sewing books seems to > address this. I'm willing to entertain all ideas. > > Thanks in advance, > > Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 22:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i532EWRM015905 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:14:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532E1NX028363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532E17L041801; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532Cf7L041145 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.147.2b290781 (18403) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <147.2b290781.2defe30e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] armseye/sleeve redrafting? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/04 8:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time, athurman@cybergal.com writes: I'm willing to entertain all ideas. Thanks in advance, Allison T. I would recommend making a muslin version of the jacket first, and making any necessary alterations with that while actually fitting it on yourself. Then use the pieces of the muslin as your pattern when you cut out the jacket itself. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 22:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i532arRM016097 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:36:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532a9NX029654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532a77L051838; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532a47L051813 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 7B0435CC670; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0296.floodcity.net [198.93.212.42]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439905CC50A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BE8DFD.2DBD38D9@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:33:33 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is it with this generation and video > games? At least they enjoy the sword fighting at our events, otherwise I'd > swear they couldn't be MY children... I have the same problem, and I think you hit the nail on the head, I think the learning curve for sewing or any craft is just to long and frustrating for those kids who have learned about the near instant gratification of video games and and the quick action of TV. crafts are to laid back, to slow in action and the learning curve is to long. Sometimes I even believe that it might actually come to the point that we can't teach them to read cause it takes to long. I hope this doesn't translate into to many kids not wanting to go to college, to few engineers, to few doctors, to few who will stick to anything long enough to learn a valuable skill, but I think it might actually come to that. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 2 22:41:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i532fdRM016122 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:41:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532f6NX029903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532f57L054065; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhoro.cc.columbia.edu (IDENT:cu41754@mhoro.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532f47L054037 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from asj2001@columbia.edu) Received: from mhoro.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mhoro.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i532f0EK029950 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by mhoro.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i532f0aw029947 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.140.38.88 ( [172.140.38.88]) as user asj2001@cherimoya.cc.columbia.edu by cubmail.cc.columbia.edu with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1086230460.40be8fbc72e34@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:41:00 -0400 From: asj2001@columbia.edu To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200406030127.i531RL7L018951@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200406030127.i531RL7L018951@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 172.140.38.88 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tassels and robe a la circassienne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I am the tassel girl not Dawn. (Yes Bjarne it's me again) A robe a la circassienne was one of many "turkish" style gowns that tend to share certain features. I will try to keep this short as I wrote a long page paper on Turkish influence on eighteenth century women's dress last semester. Turkish costume was popular for theater costume and masquerade wear. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, a brilliant letter writer who wore and was painted in actual Ottoman upper class dress while in Turkey, was quite influential in spreading its popularity though her European portraits depicting her in "Turkish" styles already show many of the European adaptations that became common. The Turkish styles that became part of high fashion in the '70's include the robe a la turque, the robe a la circassienne,the robe en levite (after all Palestine was under Turkish control), and a multitude of hats etc. What it takes to make a regular polonaise a robe a la circassienne is ridiculously simple. The key components are short oversleeves over longer undersleeves(often elbow-length white puffed and edged in ruffles), tassels, and often some sort of fur trim. One might also add emblematic "Eastern" touches for masquerade such as a striped veil, but the robe a la circassienne was perfectly acceptable for other occasions as well. My outfit will have large ruffled shift sleeves, a tight, sleeveless underbodice for over my stays, and a polonaise gown that can either close only at the neckline or down to my waist with the point of the underbodice sticking out. Aside from the waist treatment, my gown copies the one I mentioned from Blum's book which has the delightful addition of leopard spotted ribbon trim. Unfortunately I cannot sew, so I am just overseeing this whole process. If anyone wants to know more I can pull out my paper and images. Alexia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 00:45:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i534jqRM016705 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:45:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534gRNX007241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534gH7L008840; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534gF7L008793 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i534I9E11382 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40BEACE1.70805@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:45:21 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why not? I do believe there are examples of extant hose that are footless.... --sue otsisto wrote: > -----Original Message----- > pants, though...maybe some sort of leggings or hose?> > > She's bare foot so it isn't hose. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 00:54:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i534soRM016735 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534r3NX007763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534r27L013429; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534r07L013416 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAC82901C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:53:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p575.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.218.68]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A872CC49C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:52:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:53:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40BEACE1.70805@in-tch.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, when I think of hose I think of leggings with feet pockets. Leggings I think of something that may or may not have foot pockets. Arian -----Original Message----- Why not? I do believe there are examples of extant hose that are footless.... --sue otsisto wrote: > -----Original Message----- > pants, though...maybe some sort of leggings or hose?> > > She's bare foot so it isn't hose. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 00:58:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i534wTRM016742 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:58:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534ukNX007971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534uk7L014881; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534uj7L014872 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i534WfE16416 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40BEB03C.8070908@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:59:40 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew References: <00ae01c4490d$6f541380$cb6afea9@sherry> In-Reply-To: <00ae01c4490d$6f541380$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll second that, and third it, as well, if only for emphasis. I'm entirely fibery/crafty, and no one else in my immediate family is. My sister does (an my Mom did) a little watercolors and oils, which I can't do at *ALL.* My grandpa, however, was a carver and a weaver, and was descended from weavers in two different families. And I had a great-grandma on Dad's side who was knitting and crocheting into her 90s. As far as I know, I'm the only "crafty" one of the grandchildren, except for my cousin Cyd, who seems to have inherited her amazing artistic skills from her father, who was a painter. So don't give up hope! ;o) --sue Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Just wait until you have grandchildren, its pretty likely they will be > interested. :-) > > My Father in law never had any interest in blacksmithing or metal work like > *his* father was, but my husband is very much so. My Mom can sew, but never > was as interested in it as both of my Grandmothers and I are/were. > > Wait and see. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 01:05:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5355oRM016755 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:05:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5355CNX008300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5355A7L018309; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:05:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i535587L018275 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i534f2E19302 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40BEB250.4010202@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:08:32 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ?pants/bloomers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah!...vocabulary differences! I'd never have thought of "leggings" in reference to much of anything except some kinds of modern fashions! --sue otsisto wrote: > Sorry, when I think of hose I think of leggings with feet pockets. > > Leggings I think of something that may or may not have foot pockets. > > Arian > > -----Original Message----- > Why not? I do believe there are examples of extant hose that are > footless.... > --sue > > otsisto wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>>pants, though...maybe some sort of leggings or hose?> >> >>She's bare foot so it isn't hose. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 01:46:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i535k9RM016891 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:46:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i535jcNX010070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i535jZ7L034774; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i535jW7L034714 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:45:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAD1109008E; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:44:49 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AABCB9F00A6; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:44:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c4492d$ec6b56b0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005101c4487b$196f5340$0300a8c0@MOM> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Graduation Costume History Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:45:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean, At my husband's graduation last week, one of the professors had on a bright purple robe... maybe he attended your husband's college! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 02:29:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i536TnRM029348 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:29:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i536S6NX012010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i536S37L052753; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i536S07L052683 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB2A5D84B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040602225932.02b79940@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:27:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing In-Reply-To: <20040602140030.i2v0g84kwg4wowcs@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:00 PM 6/2/2004 -0400, you wrote: >They are going to have the Agriculture teacher teach the mandatory Home >Ec courses, so absolutely no sewing will get done now. >Rowena >Who is both working overtime to try to fix my very old house so I can >sell it, while Job hunting. If you see any openings listed...... Rowena, are you still wanting to teach children in your field, or are you willing to expand into the private sector? That might help us keep an eye out if we know what you are willing to do or not. And with all this talk of teaching kids, have you thought of doing that privately from your home? And I am shaking my head on the thought of an Ag teacher doing Home Ec courses, unless said Ag teacher also knows what they are doing in Home Ec. I live in Central California, home of many ag products of the US, and most of our FFA/Ag teachers understand animals or plants, raising, caring and showing them, and not much on using their wool or cooking them, or what to do with fabrics. While I enjoyed my Jr High home ec classes, I didn't understand fully what sewing was all about until I was an adult with a son of my own. And this was with my mom teaching me sewing (and cooking) since I was very little. Even worse as a teen, I didn't understand the need for fit, and no one taught that to me. Most sewing classes I see advertised around my area teach basic sewing. I don't see many classes, if any, on how a pattern needs to be modified to fit one's unique body. And that was my first frustration, and why I quit sewing for many years. I didn't know how, and no one taught me how, not even my own mom, who is a whiz on sewing and fitting. I finally had to teach myself, and I am still learning. On another story, my husband's best-friend's wife did Home Ec for middle school continuation (the last step before expulsion from school, usually for "trouble" kids). My husband was just telling me how she got a major pat on the back from parents of these kids. The kids were learning how to cook and sew, and then would go home and make dinner for their parents, or sew them something. Many of these kids felt like failures, because math and English were difficult for them. But they could cook or sew, and that was a major boost to their egos... they could accomplish something positive. Unfortunately for those student, she decided to leave teaching to stay home with her children, which is good for her kids. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 05:41:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i539f2RM012505 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:41:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i539aeNX020279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i539aT7L032368; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i539aQ7L032281 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.10]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i539Zve0023735 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:36:11 +1000 Message-ID: <000d01c4494e$3567fa60$0a91d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040601185153.76188.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:14:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ideas for Desdemona's dress (from Othello) > Hi all, > > Thanks for the suggestions, they are all great. However... She is > not going to play or portray Desdemona herself. In fact, she won't > even be wearing the gown. (Sorry if I did not clearly explain that > in my original post.) The dress will be displayed and it needs to > represent Desdemona's character. That's why we were adding the > handkerchief, because there is a scene where Othello talks about it > and it's supposed to represent "the magic of love". My daughter > chose the light pink colour to represent that D was innocent of the > charges brought against her. > > Our problem is that we can't think of anymore symbols to incorporate > into the gown. (I've never read/seen "Othello" so I'm not able to > help her much.) W, she is using the Simplicity "Ever After" pattern (don't remember > the number offhand), view C which is the simplest. This is only the > 2nd or 3rd thing that she has sewn, so I thought it would be best to > keep it simple. (Besides, I doubt the teacher or anyone in her class > will know what "real Venetian" clothing looked like anyway!!) > > Thanks again! > ~Mary Having used the Simplicity pattern you're talking about 1. it's not too bad as a 1490-1510 ish Venetian costume, but the bodice for view B looks more authentic and it's simpler (no dealing with the centre panel, no grommets to set etc) but I would use view C's closed front skirt rather than the underskirt overskirt idea Unless you wanted to include De's idea of yellow there, for just a hint of her strength every now and again (as the overskirt tends to fall closed and you only see the underskirt when you're walking, but for the display you could pin the overskirt back) 2. To make it both simpler and incorporate Marie's idea of ties, attach the over sleeves by sewing ribbons to both the sleeves and the armholes (much easier than setting grommets to lace the ribbons through) On the topic of colours and symbols can I suggest red ribbons to represent her blood over a white chemise (i.e. those puffy sleeves) to represent her purity (and a lot of emphasis is made about her whiteness, especially in contrast to Othello's blackness), you could attach the red ribbons at the shoulder whether you tie the oversleeves to it or not. Alternatively, if you do decide to use view C's bodice you could have the centre front panel white and red ribbons tied over that (rather than the zigzag lacing the pattern suggests). Then again IIRC Othello strangles her so as not to shed her blood so maybe it shouldn't be red. Black for mourning or death perhaps? If you use view C then the black ribbons over the front of her bodice could also represent Othello close to her heart. Ties - tying the knot / marriage, tying white and black ribbons together representing Othello and Desdemona's marriage? rings are another symbol of marriage, 2 interlocked rings (keyrings perhaps spraypainted gold or silver) with the ribbons tied to either side. Red (blood/passion) centre front panel with a white (pure) heart appliquéd on top and white and black ribbons tying together from either side? Hearts, or one heart to represent her love for Othello, a large heart to represent a love so strong it can even forgive her murderer? I don't know how to represent her betrayal. Both Othello's betrayal of her and her supposed betrayal of Othello and actual betrayal of her father by marrying Othello. Green for Othello's jealousy? Perhaps a snake, but that would be more appropriate for Iago. At the end of the sleeves, at arms length, or on the back of the dress, behind her back, unseen. A snake (representing Iago) on the back of the skirt (unseen behind her back) headed up towards her heart (about to attack her love and her life) with it's tongue out (Iago is all talk)? Unbound/loose hair used to be a symbol of virginity and brides (in the 19th century it came to represent loose morals so you may want to be careful, or otherwise claim that is how Othello sees her), you could extend the metaphor to innocence in general, or just a symbol of her as a bride. Use a wig if you can or just wool for the hair. Tell the teacher the false white chemise sleeves (rather than a proper full chemise) are a symbol of Othello thinking her innocence is false/just for show (no need to say that it's because that's how the pattern is constructed *g*). A veil to represent not seeing/deception, Othello couldn't see her innocence and she couldn't see what he was thinking. As a woman she is out of place in the world of the Military encampment, the pink emphasises her femininity in the male dominated world of the Army. Can anybody think of a way to symbolise her being out of place/different? I recently watched the version by Orson Welles and it included lots of mirrors as a symbol of Othello being unable to distinguish between reality and the distorted reflection of reality that Iago presents, but I don't know how you would incorporate that into a dress. It also features repetition of images of bars and cages, Desdemona is trapped by her love for Othello in this marriage, she is locked out of respectable society and her father's affection, the ties across her bust represent that her love is something that traps her. If you're pushed for time see what you can find in the iron on patches area, but they won't be removable if she wants to use it for another purpose later. I'm working off the top of my head here but this is what I can come up with having just studied it, it's a bit of a mishmash of how we as the audience see her and how Othello sees her, but hopefully you can use some of the elements. Elizabeth P.S. Inspiration struck on the bus home, how about a red veil (or some sort of sheer fabric) with forked tongues either painted on or cut into the edge like dags, or just make a large rectangular veil and cut one end into the shape of a forked tongue. Forked tongue symbolises lying, the veil symbolises obscuring something and red symbolises passion. So we come to the conclusion that lies (i.e. Iago) are obscuring the real Desdemona and her innocence by implying she is "a scarlet woman", red also symbolises Othello's rage (he sees red when he looks at Desdemona) and her blood. You could use the veil to cover half of the dress with that half being what Othello sees and the other half being the real, unobscured Desdemona that the audience sees, or just draped over the white sleeves (or the white heart) showing that he cannot see her purity and instead sees her feminine (pink) frailty/inconstancy. The snake motif could be on the obscured side with Othello unable to see Iago's lies, or on the unobscured side that only the audience can see. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 07:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53BZ6RM013022 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53BX3NX025263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53BX17L080812; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53BWu7L080746 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sleepyunicorn@citlink.net) Received: (qmail 29793 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 11:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computername) ([67.136.250.54]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.23) with SMTP for ; 3 Jun 2004 11:32:51 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c4495e$7baaa170$01fea8c0@computername> From: "Home Ec" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040602225932.02b79940@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:32:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Many of these kids felt like failures, because math and > English were difficult for them. But they could cook or sew, and that was a > major boost to their egos... they could accomplish something positive. > Unfortunately for those student, she decided to leave teaching to stay home > with her children, which is good for her kids. > Kimiko this is exactly what I get from the Special Aide teachers & Aides, and the teaching Assistants who accompany some kids who need help with notes, directions, etc. And that when they start doing well in my class ( I can flex a LOT for any kid who is willing to at least try), they often put more effort into other things. And it is a GREAT thrill when a kid bounces into school and stops me in the hall, or finds me in my classroom, to tell me that they went home and made breakfast, cookies, etc., and they and their parents are thrilled. Just yesterday a student at the end of class was expressing amazement that making chocolate chip cookies was EASY, and she was going home to talk her parents into letting her try there, too. Of course, I have retyped the recipe so that each step is VERY specific, and keeps emphasizing that You Must Do This Step Exactly before you go on - something that successful Home Ec teachers get good at. And you should see the photos I have of the drawstring bags and multi-colored Jester Hats that we sew each year! The low performing kids actually can excel in this, and they get a kick out of such a fun, get out of your seats activity. And never figure out that I am teaching them a way of following instructions..... Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 09:20:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53DK2RM013703 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DJFNX001250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DIu7L031468; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DIq7L031433 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebarefoot.contessa@verizon.net) Received: from elizabew ([68.239.135.142]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040603131852.YUMO1551.out004.verizon.net@elizabew> for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:18:52 -0500 From: "Elizabeth" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002b01c44903$0166cb60$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.239.135.142] at Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:18:43 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kendra, I think the problem you may be encountering in your search it that back in the 16th c "Dutch" was not called "Dutch" I think I was either Flemish or Holland or part of the Holey Roman Empire. If you want me to look that up I will. You will have to get a Northern Renaissance art book. Or try one of these. http://witcombe.sbc.edu/ARTHLinks2.html http://art-design.umich.edu/mother/ You can always check out Cranach, he was German in Antwerp you can try Quentin Metsys, Joachim Patinir, Joos van Cleve. The Specialists, Marinus van Reymerswaele, Jan van Hemessen. In Holland, Amsterdam, Delft and Haarlem. Master of Alkmaar, Jacob Cornelisz, Lucan van Leyden (engravings) Jan van Scorel, Maerten van Heemskerck and Antonis Mor then of course you have Bruegel the Elder. Hope that helps. As for Leeds site on lower class Flemish, some of my art history Professors have problems with her research. They were not very specific as to why, they just have problems with her thesis or hypothesis forart representing dress. Anyway, lets not get into that. Look forward to seeing this new project. All the best, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethsartofdress.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kendra Van Cleave Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources Hi all, I'm thinking about making a Dutch mid-16th century (say 1540-1570) middle class woman's outfit, and as the Renaissance period is NOT my forte, does anyone have any particular resources they could recommend? I've been all through the sources on Drea's site, and started to look through books on Dutch painting of the period -- does anyone have any specific books, websites, or painters that they'd recommend? Also, obviously most of the research materials available are for upper class costume, with Drea's research on lower class Flemish dress beginning to fill in the gaps there. How do those of you who work on middle/merchant class costumes fill in the gaps? Do you just study the available resources and then make best guesses? (I focus on the 18th and 19th centuries, for which there are ample resources on the less well-to-do). Thanks, Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 09:28:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53DSeRM013729 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DS7NX002005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DS57L036513; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DS37L036499 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i53DS1Nk004796 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040603090521.00bbebb0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:28:10 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources In-Reply-To: <002b01c44903$0166cb60$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kendra - I do middle class and working class - been doing it since geez, the mid 80's - ouch. Anyway - Aertsen good place to start. Valkenborch, Lucas van (Flemish, 1530-1597) Eworth, Hans (Flemish active in England, active 1545-1574) Ketel, Cornelis (Dutch, Practiced mainly in England, 1548-1616) Bruegel, Pieter the Elder, Follower of (Flemish, active 1551-1569) There are several paintings titled "Merry Company" which depict middle class and working class together. And there is a book... looking for the title... And I don't seem to have it here at work... Must be at home. It is titled something like "Master Painters of the Dutch Markets" It includes the works of Aertsen, and Valkenborch, and another Master... (the important one that I can't remember, grr) that focused on Merchants and Middle Class... I'll try to dig up the title for you. Bridgette >Hi all, > >I'm thinking about making a Dutch mid-16th century (say 1540-1570) middle >class woman's outfit, and as the Renaissance period is NOT my forte, does >anyone have any particular resources they could recommend? I've been all >through the sources on Drea's site, and started to look through books on >Dutch painting of the period -- does anyone have any specific books, >websites, or painters that they'd recommend? > >Also, obviously most of the research materials available are for upper class >costume, with Drea's research on lower class Flemish dress beginning to fill >in the gaps there. How do those of you who work on middle/merchant class >costumes fill in the gaps? Do you just study the available resources and >then make best guesses? (I focus on the 18th and 19th centuries, for which >there are ample resources on the less well-to-do). > >Thanks, > >Kendra >http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 09:55:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53DtNRM013983 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DrQNX003916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DrM7L050810; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53DrK7L050752 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:53:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVsel-0005Gh-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:53:20 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:53:21 -0700 Message-ID: <024501c44972$21e01710$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Widow's peak examples? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i53DtNRM013983 Status: RO Hi all. I see you have been very busy while I was gone! Whew.800+ messages from H-cost alone! Anyway.I had re-watched Girl with a Pearl.with my cousin while I was home and got to thinking I liked the motherinlaw's widow's peak hood. Anyone run across some examples of it in artwork? My preliminary ''research'' say's is dates to the 1530's.. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 10:43:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53EhuRM014402 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53EhBNX008421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Eh77L084636; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Egx7L084512 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09320 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, fabric and craft stores really have a hard time hiring knowledgeable people who know the products and can answer most customer questions. To keep competitive, most businesses have to hire people for as little as possible and to hire as few people as possible. In the 19th century especially, at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, it was why business owners kept hiring those willing to work for less(women, children, and immigrants)in order to keep those products affordable and profits rolling in. And we consumers are part of this vicious circle--can we afford to pay more if improved customer service returned? Read Emile Zola's "The Ladies' Paradise" for a fictionalized account of how a large department store of the 1880's treated its employees and killed small family-owned businesses. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 11:40:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53FeORM014906 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:40:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FdPNX013956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FcX7L028184; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FcJ7L027865 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pandoraf@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.3]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040603153818.NNKX9273.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:38:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 8:38:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [192.168.1.3] at Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:38:18 -0500 Message-Id: <20040603153818.NNKX9273.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO and of course there's Drea Leed's book "The Well-Dress'd Peasant: 16th Century Workingwoman's Dress" and website with excerpts from same http://costume.dm.net/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kendra Van Cleave > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:38 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Dutch/middle class Renaissance costume resources > > > Hi all, > > I'm thinking about making a Dutch mid-16th century (say 1540-1570) middle > class woman's outfit, and as the Renaissance period is NOT my forte, does > SNIP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 11:44:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53FilRM014973 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:44:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FguNX014327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Fgs7L031900; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Fda7L028993 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA25140 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:39:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:39:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Earliest dupinoi fabric use X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have some dupioni silk in solid colors(deep red, antique gold, white, cream and pale peach pink)either from remnant store bins or my own projectsin yardage only suitable for doll costuming. The last three colors are in silks with very fine dupioni markings. I was thinking of making fantasy outfits, but ideally want to do historical, but can't find the earliest date for use of dupinoi(or whatever it was previously called). Does anyone on the list know of a date(era)previous to the 20th century for this fabric weave? For anyone looking for affordable dupioni silk, JoAnns carries a few colors in finer dupioni "markings", while on my recent trip to the largest local Hancock's revealed three new colors in their usual rougher weave dupioni in an Old Paris collection: mauve pink, and a soft light green and pale yellow. Many thanks Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 11:54:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53FsuRM015020 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FsMNX015878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FrsXi040934; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:53:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53FrqXi040875 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r14b55.directcon.net [209.79.208.55]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i53FwE600969 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:58:15 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c44982$935f77e0$37d04fd1@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:50:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I worked for Jo-Anne's back when it was House of Fabrics, and our district manager actually told me, "The company knows they don't have to pay more than minimum wage, because this is a housewife's job." I worked there part time because the employee discount was useful to my costuming and bridal custom work, and because I enjoyed talking to the customers. More than once I completely forgot to pick up my paycheck; the amount was so low I didn't miss it. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 12:06:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53G6GRM015095 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:06:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53G41NX016984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53G40Xi049303; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53G3wXi049267 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVuhC-0006Ur-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:03:58 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Earliest dupinoi fabric use Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c44984$6218f510$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i53G3wXi049267 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know exactly when the term dupioni came into use, but the use of ''waste'' silk is well documented. Not that these are exactly the same thing, but the waste silk would "probably" have imperfections in it like slubs. See "The silk industry of Renaisance Venice" by Mola for more information. I have a photo of an extant court bodice from the 17th century that has slubs in it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 12:22:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53GMHRM015191 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:22:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53GHVPX018421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53G9DXi053610; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53G9AXi053482 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1d9.22f2fbdb (3996) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.22f2fbdb.2df0a71a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:08:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Earliest dupinoi fabric use To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2004 11:43:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, brujne@creighton.edu writes: > in finer dupioni "markings", Isn't that Shantung? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 12:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53GVlRM015233 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:31:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53GVENX019960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53GV9Xi071033; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53GV6Xi070954 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.b4.2ce0fe1d (4402) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:30:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/04 10:57:00 AM Central Daylight Time, lists@margospatterns.com writes: "The company knows they don't have to pay more than minimum wage, because this is a housewife's job." It's unfortunate that there are managers who feel this way, because that attitude will be translated to the employees that they are not valued or important to the store, and the employees often then translate that feeling to the customers. I have found that since I buy fabric on such a regular basis, it's far more productive to cultivate a friendly relationship with the employees of the stores, even if they are not particularly knowledgeable about sewing. They're human beings just trying to earn some money, and honestly I have seen customers be so ugly to them, it blows my mind. People treat them as though it's the staff's fault that they've had to wait in a line to get fabric cut, or as though it is the employee's responsibility to teach them how to sew, or as though they are evil because the store is currently out of the fabric they want. I no longer shop at JoAnn's because their prices have become simply obscene since they have decided to become more home-dec and less fabric oriented. However, at the stores that I do shop at, I have made a concerted effort to become good friends with the staffs. I put my own bolts of fabric back after they're cut, allow people who are sighing loudly and tapping their feet to go in front of me so that they don't take their ugliness out on the employees, and so forth. It's worth it, because it's almost always reciprocated in one way or another. I get sale prices the day before the sale starts, the end pieces of bolts are included with my cuts rather than cut off and made into remnants, etc. The ones who are less knowledgeable can be frustrating at times, but IMO it's better to make friends with them and try to help them learn. They will learn quickly or they will decide it's not for them and leave. If they choose the latter then you have lost nothing but a few moments spent being pleasant; if they choose the former then you may have made a connection that will serve you well. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 13:01:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53H1vRM015471 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:01:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53GwSNX022861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53GwNXi092211; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53GwKXi092113 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 8777 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 16:58:11 -0000 Received: from cts-san21612000470.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.70) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 16:58:11 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:58:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406031631.i53GVSXk071289@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 2 questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Anyway.I had re-watched Girl with a Pearl.with my cousin while I was home>and got to thinking I liked the mother-in-law's widow's peak hood. >Sg ***As someone with a widow's peak hairline, I am curious as to the origin of this term. Was this hood only worn by widows? How did it get its name? >I don't know exactly when the term dupioni came into use, but the use of>''waste'' silk is well documented. Not that these are exactly the same>thing, but the waste silk would "probably" have imperfections in it like>slubs. I have a photo of an extant court bodice from the >17th century>that has slubs in it. ***I SWEAR I have a picture of something in a fabric that looks just like dupioni but darned if I can find it again (of course). Could you pretty please post that picture? Julie T _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 13:16:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53HG0RM015571 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:16:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HEBNX024653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HE7Xi004957; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HE5Xi004940 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVvn2-0006XH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:14:04 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 2 questions Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:14:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c4498e$2d7a7400$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ***As someone with a widow's peak hairline, I am curious as to the origin of > this term. Was this hood only worn by widows? How did it get its name? [Sg] Not that this would qualify as real research (hence the quotation marks in my original post), but : http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20021227.html > ***I SWEAR I have a picture of something in a fabric that looks just like > dupioni but darned if I can find it again (of course). Could you pretty > please post that picture? [Sg] I will have to post it later...did we ever start a yahoo group to post pictures? In the mean time, if you have access to this book:Silk, by Jacques Anquetil, it is on page 100. It was the first half of the 18th century. Sorry, got that mixed up in my head (again). Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 13:28:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53HSXRM015643 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:28:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HQcNX026084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HQZXi014680; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HQWXi014567 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.24.57dab2bf (3996) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <24.57dab2bf.2df0b93c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:26:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2004 12:59:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, jtknits@cts.com writes: > I liked the mother-in-law's widow's peak hood Judy Partiff is the Mother-in law. Isn't she the best? I love her. She is fantastic as the dreadful alcoholic adulterous Mrs. Layton in the fantastic miniseries "Jewel in the Crown". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 13:38:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53HcGRM015764 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:38:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HaRNX027098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HaMXi022218; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80507.mail.yahoo.com (web80507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53HZrXi021822 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dme_maud@pacbell.net) Message-ID: <20040603173548.27223.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.104.228.236] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:35:48 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406031631.i53GVSXj071289@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dutch/MC Renaissance Costume Resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bridgette wrote: > I do middle class and working class - been > doing it since geez, > the mid 80's - ouch. > Anyway - > Aertsen good place to start. > Valkenborch, Lucas van (Flemish, 1530-1597) > Eworth, Hans (Flemish active in England, > active 1545-1574) > Ketel, Cornelis (Dutch, Practiced mainly in > England, 1548-1616) > Bruegel, Pieter the Elder, Follower of > (Flemish, active 1551-1569) > > There are several paintings titled "Merry > Company" which depict > middle class and working class together. > And there is a book... looking for the title... > And I don't seem to have > it here at work... Must be at home. > It is titled something like "Master Painters of the > Dutch Markets" It > includes the works of Aertsen, and Valkenborch, and > another Master... (the > important one that I can't remember, grr) that > focused on Merchants and > Middle Class... To piggy-back onto Bridgette's post, the works of Pieter Aertsen are useful because he frequently put middle-class (MC) women in the backgrounds of his market genre paintings. I finally had the opportunity to study one "up close and personal" last summer at the Getty in Los Angeles: It's BIG (about 4x6 feet) and the details are much more evident than in books or on the Internet. There are also a number of books on the social history of 16th C. Flanders available: this was a period of tremendous economic expansion for that part of Europe, and the MC really changed between 1500 and 1576. I'm at work right now, and my books are at home, but I'll post a list of titles/book info this evening. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 13:39:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53Hd2RM015773 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HcPNX027359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HcEXi023636; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav65.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53HbGXi022902 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:25:18 -0700 Received: from 166.102.108.97 by bay1-dav65.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:25:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.108.97] X-Originating-Email: [wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com From: "Bice" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:23:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 17:25:18.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD7CF310:01C4498F] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Godey's For Sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have an 1865 copy in fantastic shape. Has a few of it's color pull outs. I need some fast cash for bills and I want $200 FIRM for it. Contact me off list and I can try to take some snaps of it if I can get the batteries in the digital to live long enough. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 14:17:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53IHcRM016011 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IGvNX001780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IGXkr012260; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53IG0kr011754 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:15:38 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:15:38 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about wool? A lightweight wool is always nice and usually drapes beautifully - not great for summer but lovely for the rest of the year. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >In a message dated 6/2/2004 1:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, >AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > >> Does anyone have a source for a >> nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or >> would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an >> acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? >> > >Don't use dupioni unless there's a plaid or something that is just what you >were thinking of. If the colors are perfect, I can forgive the dupioni. It will >soften up if you wash it in hot water. > >Linen is great. But if it's winter [or summer for that matter] I think silk >for day is ok....as long as it's not outrageously opulent. A china silk gown >would be lov-er-ly. A window pane or check silk would be cute. With a silk twill >pelisse. If you find the right twill but it's too light, flatline it with >something the right weight. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 14:34:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53IYkRM016112 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:34:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IWbNX003394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IWWkr025126; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IVCkr024102 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040603183106016002lp8se>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:31:07 +0000 Message-ID: <009d01c44998$f24a51b0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:31:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! Actually I've used a very nice light weight wool for some of my italian renaissance gowns. When wearing the gowns of the wool, I actually found them to be much cooler and easier to do work in hot weather. I think it has to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes to evaporate out the sweat easier. 100% Linen is the best for hot weather (IMO), but wool is a wonderful natural fiber for both hot and cold weather. Much more versatile than cotton. Anyhoo, just my own experiences. I'm sure others will have had just the reverse... Happy stitches! Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency > How about wool? A lightweight wool is always nice and usually drapes beautifully - not great for summer but lovely for the rest of the year. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > --------- Original Message --------- > >In a message dated 6/2/2004 1:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > > >> Does anyone have a source for a > >> nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or > >> would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an > >> acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? > >> > > > >Don't use dupioni unless there's a plaid or something that is just what you > >were thinking of. If the colors are perfect, I can forgive the dupioni. It will > >soften up if you wash it in hot water. > > > >Linen is great. But if it's winter [or summer for that matter] I think silk > >for day is ok....as long as it's not outrageously opulent. A china silk gown > >would be lov-er-ly. A window pane or check silk would be cute. With a silk twill > >pelisse. If you find the right twill but it's too light, flatline it with > >something the right weight. > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 14:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53IwtRM016286 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IwUNX005657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:58:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IwQkr044621; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:58:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53IvQkr043772 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.15f.304814d6 (3996) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:57:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2004 2:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > I think it has > to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes > to evaporate out the sweat easier. I thought wool was the only thing that was warm even when it was wet because it holds in heat. I made wool aprons for some girls in costume who were cooking at an open hearth in an 18th century house. They said the wool would extinguish any embers that might fall on the apron...it's hard to get wool to ignite... and the wool reflected the heat from the fire. Is this true? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 15:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53JFURM016386 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JEeNX007383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JEckr057107; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:14:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from providenceday.org (treebeard.providenceday.org [66.193.73.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JD4kr055828 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from grace.morris@providenceday.org) Received: from [172.20.1.3] (HELO providenceday.org) by providenceday.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1340070 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:15:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:12:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dutch/MC Renaissance Costume Resources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Grace Morris To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20040603173548.27223.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i53JD4kr055828 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are willing to go to the very end of the 16th century, I found this useful: Dutch costume in paintings by Dutch artists : a study of women's clothing and art from 1600 to 1650 /  Author: Chapman, Dana L. Publication: 1986 Document: English : Book : Thesis/dissertation/manuscript  Archival Material Grace/Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 15:39:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53JdMRM016570 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:39:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JcGNX009907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JcCkr075365; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JaGkr073858 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f35.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.53]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E61A5EE0C9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:36:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002b01c449a2$0c4a9300$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:36:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Found this picture of a dress. Is this ribbon embroidered flowers on the decoration? http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20030207/high/1094-002.jpg Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 16:00:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53K0IRM016671 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JxcNX011910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JxYkr092434; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Jw7kr091196 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040603195801016002mqcee>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:58:01 +0000 Message-ID: <00a701c449a5$160081e0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:58:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! See below for reply... ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 6/3/2004 2:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > > > I think it has > > to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes > > to evaporate out the sweat easier. > > I thought wool was the only thing that was warm even when it was wet because > it holds in heat. I made wool aprons for some girls in costume who were Well, yes this *can* be true. In my expereince, it depends on the wool type (if it's a blend), weave and the 'finish' of the wool. My cape made from a melton, thickly woven, heavy wool that has been washed so that it is felted is wonderfully warm, even when wet. For the summer wool gowns I've made, the wool has been *very* light weight, the weave is fairly open and when washed (even in hot wash and dry) maintained it's fairly open weave. That's the key difference. Another of my wool gowns that is a more tightly woven heavier weight wool is warmer, but still breathes. I find that I don't get too warm or too cold in it very often... > cooking at an open hearth in an 18th century house. They said the wool would > extinguish any embers that might fall on the apron...it's hard to get wool to > ignite... and the wool reflected the heat from the fire. > > Is this true? In my experience, that is mostly true. I've found that while the wool doesn't actually ignite, if the ember is not extingushed, a sizable hole can be burned. This is also depending on the wool type (if it's a blend ), weave and the 'finish. My cloak has had embers fall on it and nary a hole can be found. Yet I know of many friends, with wool cloaks,of a lighter weight or even a blend of wool and other fibers had allowed the embers to burn quite a noticeable hole. Again, this is only from my experiences. Others may have had different experiences and I'd be really happy to read about those as well. I'd love to learn more about the many things others have found that wool can and cannot do. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 16:04:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53K45RM016688 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53K27NX012199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53K24kr094481; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Jxnkr092591 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 2A9085CCA95; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ECF2C5CCA94 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.212.248 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.212.248 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO from all I've read, wool has a number of wonderful properties, including the fact that since wool absorbs so much moisture (I think they said 4 or more times it's own weight), it can keep you cool in the summer, in an appropriate light weight. it also self extinguishes, so is appropriate for around a fire, and insulates from cold or heat. Wool doesn't crease like plant fibers so it is the perfect traveling costume in the right weight. and if I remember right, it doesn't absorb odors, which is a blessing since it is hard to clean. LOL I do know that I bought sox for years made from merino wool and polypropolene and they were the softest, warmest sox for winter, but I was able to wear them for summer if I needed to, (I generally live in sandals) and they didn't hold odors. wish they still made them. I'd even knit them myself if I could find the right thread. Kitty > In a message dated 6/3/2004 2:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > >> I think it has >> to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows >> breezes to evaporate out the sweat easier. > > I thought wool was the only thing that was warm even when it was wet > because it holds in heat. I made wool aprons for some girls in costume > who were cooking at an open hearth in an 18th century house. They said > the wool would extinguish any embers that might fall on the > apron...it's hard to get wool to ignite... and the wool reflected the > heat from the fire. > > Is this true? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 16:15:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53KFDRM016736 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:15:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53KEZNX013529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53KEXkr004677; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53KC3kr002771 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BVyZH-00043L-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:12:03 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c449a7$0a9f13a0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002b01c449a2$0c4a9300$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Boy that is tough to tell Bjarne. I saved the photo to zoom in, but the resolution is not good enough. There are some 1770 gowns in Fashion in Detail which have what looks like ribbon flowers in their fly fringe trims.... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 16:17:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53KHWRM016758 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:17:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53KHBNX013856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53KH9kr006681; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53KEvkr005043 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pandoraf@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.2]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040603201456.DWMF1551.out004.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:14:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [192.168.1.2] at Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:56 -0500 Message-Id: <20040603201456.DWMF1551.out004.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: pandoraf@verizon.net Subject: [h-cost] Shinrone gown pattern from Reconstructing History X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi all, I recently finished making a Shinrone gown from Reconstructing History pattern #301. I encountered some difficulty in constructing the bodice from the pattern and instructions as given, and to date my several queries to the Reconstructing History email list have not been answered. I assume everyone on that list is too busy to answer, so I thought I'd see if anyone on this list had any thoughts. Unless you've seen the pattern, it's difficult to describe the issue I encountered. I'll do my best, but if you don't understand what I'm trying to get at, it's probably my fault not yours :-). The gown and its construction are also described at http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/irish/shinrone.html The bodice has extra fabric that folds under to form a partial self-lining. I didn't have any problem getting the back to self-line as described and illustrated in the pattern's documentation. In Kass' notes, the bodice is described as self-lined from the bust-line down. The bodice has a deep v-front (similar to Elizabethan bodice shapes) that gets flattened out with darts toward the end of the construction process. The pattern for the bodice front adds some extra fabric to the bottom of the pattern piece (in an irregular, vaguely triangular shape), and shows a curved line to fold the fabric back upon itself to form the self-lining. However, the shape of the pattern piece will not result in lining that reaches the bust-line nor completely lines the front. Nor will it lie flat if one tries to fold on the curved line as given (no kidding). I couldn't figure this out, never got any response from anyone on the Reconstructing History list, so I gave up on the instructions as included, and just cut separate lining pieces for the front. (Which is a valid way to handle the self-lining, but does not result in an exact replica, which is what I was hoping for.) Has anyone else made this gown, and if so, how did you handle the bodice construction? Like I said, if you haven't seen the pattern, my verbal description may not mean very much. If you have questions, I can try to clarify. I look forward to some discussion on this. Any discussion! is mise le meas, Pandora Everett, WA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 17:11:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53LBURM017124 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LAjNX020057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LAekr049542; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lycos.com (www1.mail.lycos.com [209.202.220.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53L8kkr047979 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from panthergirl@mailcity.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:08:20 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:08:20 -0400 From: "Panther Grrl" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 38.118.10.117 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 406 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Off lurking to answer the below.... http://www.dharmatrading.com/silk_fabrics.html This is the best source I have found. You should order all the silk swatches, to pick & choose. Everything is for silk painting, so its usually white(they have a small selection of black) They carry silk twill. They also carry superlative silk dyes. They are fast, and they have a catalogue. I use them, I like them. Unfortunately, to get the really good prices, you need to buy the bolt... If you have friends, a 50yd bolt of raw silk can be had for less than $4 a yard. Charmeuse by the bolt is $5.87 for 19.5mm(pronounced mummy, and is weight, this is getting into bridal weight) for a 50yard bolt at 45 inches wide. No other place that I have found beats the price for the quality of what you get. Everything is listed by fabric content & mm. Swatches will help you decide which weight is best for you. >Does anyone have a source for a >nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are >all a bit flimsy. Or would that not be appropriate >for daywear? Would dupioni be an acceptable >substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 17:27:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53LRSRM017196 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:27:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LQrNX021975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LQqkr062165; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53LNwkr059720 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Opzm0m5W6Pmy9Ry/vr4iTEA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JW8UYG4K; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:16:18 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:54:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery Message-ID: <20040603.141521.1660.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,9-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can't tell, although initially they appear to raised above the decoration. I marvel that women could even move in the panniers (sp)! And how do you make them? Arlys On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:36:20 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Found this picture of a dress. Is this ribbon embroidered flowers on > the > decoration? > http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20030207/high/1094-002.jpg > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 17:41:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53LfQRM017254 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LeZNX023790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LeUkr072544; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Lcqkr071159 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004060321384601300lc6dke>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:38:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c449b3$2a503650$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040603.141521.1660.0.Cley@juno.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT Joannes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Huh. You know you are right! This really should be reported to some sort of government civil rights department. Speaking from experience, nothing will generally happen, but a 'record' of this will be kept...somewhere...if you even want to bother with it... Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? > Margo writes: > > I worked for Jo-Anne's back when it was House of Fabrics, and our > > district > > manager actually told me, "The company knows they don't have to pay > > more > > than minimum wage, because this is a housewife's job." > > Did you report the stupid creep to his boss for being a sexist? > > snarlhissspit.....!! > Arlys > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 17:46:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53LkXRM017273 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:46:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LjxNX024449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Ljtkr076499; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LiEkr074783 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.a3.5adbe1bc (18251) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:43:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Joannes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/04 4:41:26 PM Central Daylight Time, gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: Huh. You know you are right! This really should be reported to some sort of government civil rights department. Speaking from experience, nothing will generally happen, but a 'record' of this will be kept...somewhere...if you even want to bother with it... Since when is being a housewife a sexist issue? I don't understand this. To me it seems that the statement was made meaning that it's the type of job that is generally taken by women who are looking for a little extra income, not a career. Besides, the post did not specify whether the district manager who made the comment was a male or a female. When I worked for JoAnn's in high school, all our managers and district managers were women. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:04:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53M4ZRM017405 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M3ANX026171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M2xkr089708; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M0ukr088137 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.9a.c2b8b11 (25711) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.c2b8b11.2df0f98d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:00:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2004 5:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, cley@juno.com writes: > I marvel that women could even move in the panniers (sp)! And how do you > make them? > They are just hoops....like a crinoline essentially, only oval. Sometimes they are just at the hips and don't go to the hem. They even dance in them y'know.....though not the waltz [but they do waltz in crinolines]. C'mon, you've seen 18th century movies surely. They wear large panniers in "Dangerous Liaisons" and "The Madness of King George" [two very good films] and do all kinds of movements in them. Of course it's not like wearing sweat pants so some movement classes may have been in order...again like a crinoline. It must be noted however that the blue gown in the picture has got to be a court gown and at court there's a lot of just standing around. And even at home people of this rank had servants to do just about everything for them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:09:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53M9aRM017425 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:09:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M8uNX026865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M8ukr094334; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53M6mkr092687 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhM30xgodkJ4fFqmabSQQ4o= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JW8XUD8R; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:06:30 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Joannes Message-ID: <20040603.150523.940.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,12-13,15-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Since when is being a housewife a sexist issue? I don't understand > this. To > me it seems that the statement was made meaning that it's the type > of job > that is generally taken by women who are looking for a little extra > income, not a > career. Being a housewife is a life choice, not a sexist issue. However, assuming (heavy emphasis on the first syllable) that you can pay people less than their counterparts elsewhere because "It's a housewife's job" IS. This devalues women. It also assumes that you as a manager can pay the little fluffheads less and get away with it. Whether the woman in question is looking for some extra income or a career is beside the point entirely. Arlys, housewife ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53MAcRM017433 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M8kNX026812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M8hkr094162; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53M67kr092185 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04678 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:06:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Joannes Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:06:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Huh. You know you are right! This really should be reported to some sort of government civil rights department. Speaking from experience, nothing will generally happen, but a 'record' of this will be kept...somewhere...if you even want to bother with it... Since when is being a housewife a sexist issue? I don't understand this. To me it seems that the statement was made meaning that it's the type of job that is generally taken by women who are looking for a little extra income, not a career. Besides, the post did not specify whether the district manager who made the comment was a male or a female. When I worked for JoAnn's in high school, all our managers and district managers were women. But this "just a housewife" or "just [fill in the blank with the term of your choice]" still sort of "bad mouths" what it takes to do a job as a reason to pay the help poorly and has been the unfortunate side of any form of commercial enterprise especially since the Industrial Revolution. Library work and teaching are just two careers that pay badly(unless you get into the male/management dominated top jobs )because traditionally they were temporary/high turnover jobs dominated by single "just until you get married" or elderly "old maids" or widows who supposedly didn't need or merit the same pay as men. This, of course, has led to the dowdily historical image of the librarian or teacher as both were constrained by income and societal pressure to originally dress simply, modestly, and unfashionably. Now here's a subject for a thesis, listmembers! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:16:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53MGpRM017454 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:16:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MFuNX027692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MFrkr099584; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav12.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MDnkr097939 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:13:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:13:43 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav12.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:13:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 22:13:43.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[08887FF0:01C449B8] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Shrek II X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did anyone else notice? In Fiona's parents' castle, in the background, twice, I saw a portrait that looked suspiciously like this: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/clouet/francois/queen_el.jpg Of course, they made it huge in the movie, I saw it in the Louvre and it's only 36 x 26 cm. Can someone confirm this? Was I just wishing to see it? It's like seeing the Lady with the Unicorn (the 5 senses) tapestries in Gryffindor's common room in Harry Potter! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:21:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53MLFRM017478 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MJJNX028025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MJGkr002236; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MFVkr099242 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:15:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:15:26 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:15:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:16:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 22:15:26.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[458216A0:01C449B8] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What is it with this generation and video > games? Erh, well, I guess I have to assume that I don't fit in with my generation then. Yeah, I think that's it. I'm a weirdo :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:24:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53MOgRM017501 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MO8NX028421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MO2kr005475; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav25.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MLCkr003487 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:21:07 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav25.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:21:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40BE8DFD.2DBD38D9@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:22:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 22:21:07.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[10D49080:01C449B9] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I hope this doesn't translate into to many kids not wanting to go to > college, to few engineers, to few doctors, to few who will stick to > anything long enough to learn a valuable skill, but I think it might > actually come to that. Even today, even in your generation, there are tons of people who do nothing but drink beer and watch tv! I don't think our generation is any worse than any that came before. My problem is that I tend to forget how little other people know and do. I hang out with people who are either reenactors or university students, usually, so when I go out "in the real world", that can be a harsh reality check, I lose track of how uniniterested with *anything* some people can be. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 18:33:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53MXCRM017569 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:33:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MWSNX029216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MWQkr011278; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav28.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MTPkr009057 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:29:20 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav28.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:29:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 406 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 22:29:20.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[369D7510:01C449BA] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's also www.thaisilks.com . Comparable to Dharma both in prices and quality, and service is good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Panther Grrl" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 406 > Off lurking to answer the below.... > http://www.dharmatrading.com/silk_fabrics.html > This is the best source I have found. You should order all the silk swatches, to pick & choose. Everything is for silk painting, so its usually white(they have a small selection of black) > > They carry silk twill. They also carry superlative silk dyes. They are fast, and they have a catalogue. > I use them, I like them. Unfortunately, to get the really good prices, you need to buy the bolt... > > If you have friends, a 50yd bolt of raw silk can be > had for less than $4 a yard. Charmeuse by the bolt is > $5.87 for 19.5mm(pronounced mummy, and is weight, this is getting into bridal weight) for a 50yard bolt at > 45 inches wide. > > No other place that I have found beats the price for > the quality of what you get. Everything is listed by > fabric content & mm. Swatches will help you decide which weight is best for you. > > >Does anyone have a source for a > >nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are >all a bit flimsy. Or would that not be appropriate >for daywear? Would dupioni be an acceptable >substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 19:00:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53N0WRM017718 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53MwiNX001979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Mwfkr028455; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:58:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Mtrkr026754 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C432DA2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040603152400.00b0d7a8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:24:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:30 PM 6/3/2004 -0400, you wrote: >The ones who are less knowledgeable can be frustrating at times, but IMO it's >better to make friends with them and try to help them learn. They will learn >quickly or they will decide it's not for them and leave. If they choose the >latter then you have lost nothing but a few moments spent being pleasant; if >they choose the former then you may have made a connection that will serve >you >well. > >-Tiffany >Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. Tiffany, You have a great attitude. Thanks for sharing your self today. And btw, what does your latin tagline mean? Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner & Creator of DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 19:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53NDfRM017744 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:13:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NBqNX003236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NBmkr037615; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NBkkr037593 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAC85E081 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040603155903.02b7cbe8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:09:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:42 AM 6/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Read Emile Zola's "The Ladies' Paradise" for a fictionalized account of how >a large department store of the 1880's treated its employees and killed >small family-owned businesses. > >Cindy Abel And go to Wal-Mart today and see how in real life a large department store of the 21st Century treats it employees, actively works its employees onto Medi-Cal or other government "health insurance", so it doesn't have to provide proper benefits, and kills many small family-owned business in many small cities and neighborhoods by dropping prices. Heck, even major toy stores can't compete anymore. I studied Wal-Marts practices during business courses in college, and I am watching it happen time and again. My own small home town is about to get a Wal-Mart, and its downtown merchants are not going to survive. btw, in all sense of fairness, I just came from Wal-Mart where I couldn't find much decent fabric materials to make shirts from. Even with the $1.00/yd bins and quilt materials. But then I am picky, I want real cotton or linen fabrics, and not 80% polyester "wrinkle ease" crap that doesn't breathe. My problem is that my closest fabric store is now 20 minutes away, and Wal-Mart was down the street. As it is I won't buy the cheaply made clothes there that just doesn't fit at all. Not to mention just how dirty that store was, with stuff on the floor that the nearby employee is too busy chatting to get around to picking up. And I better get off this rant against Wal-Mart before it's too late.... Kimiko One who is willing to pay more for quality products and good service. No, I am not bitter today... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 19:13:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53NDsRM017747 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NDNNX003379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NDNkr038551; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NBlkr037605 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531C75E06A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040603161057.02bfc6f8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:11:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing In-Reply-To: <003101c4495e$7baaa170$01fea8c0@computername> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040602225932.02b79940@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:32 AM 6/3/2004 -0400, you wrote: >The low performing kids >actually can excel in this, and they get a kick out of such a fun, get out >of your seats activity. And never figure out that I am teaching them a way >of following instructions..... >Rowena Rowena, that is a great gift to give those students. I hope you find another position where you can affect such a great positive change in a kids life. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 19:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53NOGRM017784 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NMTNX004013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NMRkr059570; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NMPkr059558 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5DD43E2E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040603153243.02be83f0@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:22:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shinrone gown pattern from Reconstructing History In-Reply-To: <20040603201456.DWMF1551.out004.verizon.net@outgoing.verizo n.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:14 PM 6/3/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone else made this gown, and if so, how did you handle the bodice >construction? > >Like I said, if you haven't seen the pattern, my verbal description may >not mean very much. If you have questions, I can try to clarify. > >I look forward to some discussion on this. Any discussion! > >is mise le meas, >Pandora >Everett, WA Hi Pandora, The pattern maker used to be on this list, Kass... you still here? I was going to remake the outfit myself in the future, but I haven't the time right now. I say remake, because I made my own version of this dress years ago (when the Internet was text only), based only on the picture of the front of the gown and a written description of what it looked like. I found only that info from a library book I hunted down at San Jose State. Needless to say, the skirt "welts" ended up on the outside, instead of the inside, as I didn't know what to do with them. They kinda looked nice that way, but now I understand the effect it was intended, kinda like organ pleats. Anyway, I made the bodice with a separate inner lining of cotton, instead of a partial facing like you described. I also added in some boning along the front edges, as I made it lace up (loosely) with decorative eyes. I am also a plus sized woman, so it needed something there I thought. After having worn it, I removed the boning as it really didn't need it, and the bones kept digging into my bosom (when I wasn't wearing a corset under it all for support). In reading Kass' description, I can understand the need for the self lining. Yes, that skirt is heavy, especially when made of wool. And reading that it goes to the bosom area probably means it helps stabilize the front opening area as well. She makes note of it being lightly tacked into place, probably to hold it up. However, you say it doesn't reach the whole front area. "However, the shape of the pattern piece will not result in lining that reaches the bust-line nor completely lines the front. Nor will it lie flat if one tries to fold on the curved line as given (no kidding)." Is this before or after the bodice darts are put into place? I am wondering if the bodice darts taking up the extra fabric that the self-facing doesn't cover? I wish I was more help, but I think Kass would be best to answer your questions with her pattern. Have you tried e-mailing Kass directly? Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 19:45:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53NjnRM017852 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Ni3NX005701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Nhtkr018335; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Nhmkr018297 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pandoraf@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.1]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040603234347.FMAW29216.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:43:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Shinrone gown pattern from Reconstructing History Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:43:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:43:47 -0500 Message-Id: <20040603234347.FMAW29216.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO the bodice darts are the last thing that get done, according to Kass' instructions (and it makes sense) when I folded the bodice front approximately on the line from the pattern, it made kind of a triangle that doubled the front only partly - my understanding, based on the description on the RH website and in "Dress in Ireland" is that the entire front is lined from the bustline down. SNIP > > In reading Kass' description, I can understand the need for the self > lining. Yes, that skirt is heavy, especially when made of wool. And reading > that it goes to the bosom area probably means it helps stabilize the front > opening area as well. She makes note of it being lightly tacked into place, > probably to hold it up. However, you say it doesn't reach the whole front > area. "However, the shape of the pattern piece will not result in lining > that reaches the bust-line nor completely lines the front. Nor will it lie > flat if one tries to fold on the curved line as given (no kidding)." Is > this before or after the bodice darts are put into place? I am wondering if > the bodice darts taking up the extra fabric that the self-facing doesn't cover? > SNIP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 19:57:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53NvERM017872 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NuaNX007003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NuYkr025591; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.202]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53NuJkr025446 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from Maxwell (66-214-162-184.riv-eres.charterpipeline.net [66.214.162.184]) by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i53NrJtI068939 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:53:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c449c5$f391f370$b8a2d642@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200406032315.i53NF3kt039622@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What is it with this generation and video > games? (Coming out of lurk mode) Well, some of them are learning how to sew... the hard way by trial and error. They see something they want bad enough, and they try. Sometimes with interesting results. I'm one of the mods over at Lord of the Rings Costume. We get numerous folks who have never sewing anything before, or just made an apron or pillow and want to tackle a LOTR velvet gown. Some are kids, but we've also gotten moms, grandmothers and dads. Sometimes they're working alone. Sometimes together. Our response ended up building a team of 9 moderators plus a whole support group... and we just dig in and find links... and pound our heads elsewhere when a basic sewing question gets asked for the 100th time that year. But now, we often have links to send them to. We'd never planned to try and teach, but it's been happening that way. But the cool thing is, we're all learning. Anyone who has time, puts together their own little bit and we end up with a great spider web of links and pages. It's kinda shocking when we look back on our history... but it's cool to see what these so called "beginners" are making now. Scary in fact. It's also a bit fun to listen to the 16 year-olds help each other by giving tips on how they modified their muslins. (Strange, things do wear off onto others.) Also, we're not the only ones to end up starting beginning sections. http://www.patternreview.com has a great board for asking question... and they've started beginning on line classes. http://www.sew-whats-new.com goes more towards quilters, but has beginning sewing classes on line and a discussion board. So... home ec is dead... partially culturally, partially from budget cuts... but it to seems to have moved out onto the web... sometimes more accidentally than planned... but... people have a quest for knowledge and some can't help but stop when someone else asks a question. -Cat- http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ PS. Did you know that zippers are period for both the 2nd and 3rd age of middle-earth??? We have the documentation! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 20:08:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5408fRM017933 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5407xNX008478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5407ukr032554; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (ip250.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5407fks032376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F21DBCCF for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD683DBC59 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bb01c449c7$f020af90$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shrek II Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:07:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Shrek II > Did anyone else notice? > > In Fiona's parents' castle, in the background, twice, I saw a portrait that > looked suspiciously like this: > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/clouet/francois/queen_el.jpg > Whilst playing Might and Magic VI, I noticed that many, many of the windows in the buildings look like a stained glass image of a picture from the Tres Riches Heures of the Duc de Berry. It's difficult to make out, as it is a blurry image on a rather old game, but it looks like a cropped image of the lady on horseback from either May or August. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 20:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i540LYRM017966 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540L0NX010204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540Kwkr040137; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540Kukr040112 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 33C995CC303; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0281.floodcity.net [198.93.212.27]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B815CC2D8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BFBF4D.6EF0B902@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:16:13 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew References: <40BE8DFD.2DBD38D9@floodcity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I'm not putting anyone in particular, or any age group in particular down. I'm merely noting that of my three daughters and friends, I know a bunch who will sit and watch TV or play video games til early in the morning but won't go to school or work. My son in law plays video games while feeding his toddlers with cheeetos and Mountain Dew while my daugter works. He's in jail right now, so I'm watching the little ones. the 9 month old was raised to sit in his Car seat and watch tv so his daddy can play. he hadn't had solid foods til just two weeks ago when he came here to live. he was still choking on crackers. of my daughters, DD#1 will sew if she wants something special, DD#3 sews hippy clothes and makes macrame, and DD#2 won't do anything which requires her to get off the couch. I have to give it to Her though, she actually will go to work, as opposed to her husband. Somehow I failed to share any of my interests or passions to any of my kids. I'm trying harder with the grandkids, but they're a little small yet. LOL Anyway, anything I might say about young people is filtered through the eyes of one who sees to much of what I wish I didn't have to see. I don't know any young people who are interested seeing, hearing, or doing anything much other than watching TV or hanging out with friends. it's depressing. Kitty Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > I hope this doesn't translate into to many kids not wanting to go to > > college, to few engineers, to few doctors, to few who will stick to > > anything long enough to learn a valuable skill, but I think it might > > actually come to that. > > Even today, even in your generation, there are tons of people who do nothing > but drink beer and watch tv! I don't think our generation is any worse than > any that came before. > > My problem is that I tend to forget how little other people know and do. I > hang out with people who are either reenactors or university students, > usually, so when I go out "in the real world", that can be a harsh reality > check, I lose track of how uniniterested with *anything* some people can be. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 20:41:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i540f1RM018014 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:41:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540eSNX012840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540eHkr050933; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540eFks050900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i540isfc021240 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:44:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i540issw021238 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:44:54 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:44:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> <1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 June 2004 03:59 pm, basyefelton@floodcity.net wrote: [snip] > and if I remember right, it doesn't absorb odors, which is a blessing > since it is hard to clean. [snip] On the other hand, the worsted suits I own tend to be water-repellent and stain-resistant, which automatically makes cleaning less of an issue. (Though I am sure many list members will post to advise you that they have washed wool with impunity.) -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 21:05:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54154RM018128 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LQSNX021913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53LQHkr061766; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i53LNtkr059644 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Opzm0m5W6Pmy58DMS1SuBg4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JW8UYG4B; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:16:18 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:39:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Message-ID: <20040603.141521.1660.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Margo writes: > I worked for Jo-Anne's back when it was House of Fabrics, and our > district > manager actually told me, "The company knows they don't have to pay > more > than minimum wage, because this is a housewife's job." Did you report the stupid creep to his boss for being a sexist? snarlhissspit.....!! Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 21:06:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5416JRM018134 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JjjNX010751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53Jjhkr081352; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53JiFkr080125 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:43:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200406031443.AA20578506@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From my memory ........ which is good at remembering facts but sometimes I mismatch them, there is a chemical reaction that takes place when wool gets wet that causes its temperature to rise. But it does still breath, which makes it nice for summer if light weight. Much better than polyester. Wool is also self extinguishing. Lisa Sinervo ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: AlbertCat@aol.com Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:57:17 EDT >In a message dated 6/3/2004 2:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, >gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > >> I think it has >> to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes >> to evaporate out the sweat easier. > >I thought wool was the only thing that was warm even when it was wet because >it holds in heat. I made wool aprons for some girls in costume who were >cooking at an open hearth in an 18th century house. They said the wool would >extinguish any embers that might fall on the apron...it's hard to get wool to >ignite... and the wool reflected the heat from the fire. > >Is this true? >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:06:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5426aRM018352 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:06:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5425vNX021357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5425tkr094173; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5425rkr094154 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id BCCF45CC900; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0515.floodcity.net [198.93.213.7]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A51B5CC742 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BFD860.82B8A061@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:03:12 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew References: <000c01c449c5$f391f370$b8a2d642@Maxwell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thanks Cat, I guess I forgot. I too have helped others to find the answers to how to do something here in our online community now and then. it's sad though that more can't find help locally, hands on help is so much easier. On a brighter note, I was struggling with upsizing a size 22 B-cup princess seamed jumper to a size 30 D-cup. I struggled with it for a month or more and finally took it to a local seamstress and she told me how to do it and never charged me anything. I was amazed, I was prepared to pay her for her time. Cat Devereaux wrote: > > > What is it with this generation and video > > games? > > (Coming out of lurk mode) > > Well, some of them are learning how to sew... the hard way by trial and > error. They see something they want bad enough, and they try. > Sometimes with interesting results. > > I'm one of the mods over at Lord of the Rings Costume. We get numerous > folks who have never sewing anything before, or just made an apron or > pillow and want to tackle a LOTR velvet gown. Some are kids, but we've > also gotten moms, grandmothers and dads. Sometimes they're working > alone. Sometimes together. Our response ended up building a team of 9 > moderators plus a whole support group... and we just dig in and find > links... and pound our heads elsewhere when a basic sewing question gets > asked for the 100th time that year. But now, we often have links to > send them to. > > We'd never planned to try and teach, but it's been happening that way. > But the cool thing is, we're all learning. Anyone who has time, puts > together their own little bit and we end up with a great spider web of > links and pages. It's kinda shocking when we look back on our > history... but it's cool to see what these so called "beginners" are > making now. Scary in fact. It's also a bit fun to listen to the 16 > year-olds help each other by giving tips on how they modified their > muslins. (Strange, things do wear off onto others.) > > Also, we're not the only ones to end up starting beginning sections. > http://www.patternreview.com has a great board for asking question... > and they've started beginning on line classes. > http://www.sew-whats-new.com goes more towards quilters, but has > beginning sewing classes on line and a discussion board. > > So... home ec is dead... partially culturally, partially from budget > cuts... but it to seems to have moved out onto the web... sometimes more > accidentally than planned... but... people have a quest for knowledge > and some can't help but stop when someone else asks a question. > > -Cat- > http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ > > PS. Did you know that zippers are period for both the 2nd and 3rd age > of middle-earth??? We have the documentation! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i542AdRM018368 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542A8NX021586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542A8kr096218; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542A6kr096199 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id F40A45CC5B2; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0515.floodcity.net [198.93.213.7]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3645CC046 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:07:23 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> <1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > On the other hand, the worsted suits I own tend to be water-repellent and > stain-resistant, which automatically makes cleaning less of an issue. LOL, OH yeah, right, I was going to say that. teehee. > (Though I am sure many list members will post to advise you that they have > washed wool with impunity.) > but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i542g6RM018471 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:42:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542fUNX023359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542fQkr011447; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542fOks011423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542k4fc021696 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:46:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i542k4WQ021694 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:46:04 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:46:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> <200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406032246.03713.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 June 2004 10:07 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On the other hand, the worsted suits I own tend to be water-repellent and > > stain-resistant, which automatically makes cleaning less of an issue. > > LOL, OH yeah, right, I was going to say that. teehee. > > > (Though I am sure many list members will post to advise you that they > > have washed wool with impunity.) > > but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with > formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? Ah, but who said anything about it's not shrinking? What some do is to wash the wool fabric before it's made up. What you end up with is tightly fulled cloth that's smaller, but won't shrink any more (or so I'm told). -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:51:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i542pFRM018496 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542ogNX023935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542oekr015868; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542obkr015793 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040604025031016000pe2ce>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:50:31 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c449de$b30dcd10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com><1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net><200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:50:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! I used to never wash my wool until my (ex)husband threw one of my gowns in the washer and dryer. I discovered that it didn't shrink, even though is was 100% wool. That's when I decided to think more about what I wanted to make with it, when it came to deciding whether or not to wash my wool or not. For example: wash and dry on hot settings to 'felt' the wool for my cape. Also my summer gowns were washed and dried on hot settings and they barely shrank at all. When I make modern suits, I don't prewash my wool at all, since I know that my suits will be dry cleaned anyways. I put too much infrastructure into the suit pieces to risk having all that hand work for the lapels, sleeve head support and other support touches ruined in the washer and dryer. But maybe my experiences with washing and drying wool are just flukes peculiar to me? I dunno, but whatever, it just seems to work for me. Happy Stitching! Emer/Gia > > but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with > formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? > > Kitty > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:52:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i542qeRM018501 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542q5NX024073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542q4kr016543; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542odkr015850 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:50:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id CF0485CC61D; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8612E5CC24C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.213.7 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1287.198.93.213.7.1086317444.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.213.7 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: <200406032246.03713.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> <200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> <200406032246.03713.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >> > Ah, but who said anything about it's not shrinking? What some do is to > wash the wool fabric before it's made up. What you end up with is > tightly fulled cloth that's smaller, but won't shrink any more (or so > I'm told). > > -- > Cathy Raymond ooooh, I don't know. all I hear says that with the way wool is made up, with all the little barbs on it that open as you wet them, any movement will make it shrink up everytime it is wetted. that's why drycleaning became so popular, the little barbs don't open when you use drycleaning fluid so it doesn't felt up when it is submerged and agitated. anyway, my info says it will shrink more each time it is washed, but maybe not as much. that's why you are supposed to draw around the garment before washing it. so you can stretch it out to it's previous size before it drys. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:55:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i542tWRM018517 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:55:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542swNX024231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542svkr017841; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop2a.ripco.com (root@pop2a.ripco.com [209.100.227.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542srkr017751 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:54:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zski@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (tcr34.dynip.ripco.net [209.100.226.34]) by pop2a.ripco.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542skVX006045 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:54:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40BFE46A.3020608@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:54:34 -0500 From: zski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200406032315.i53NF3kt039622@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200406032315.i53NF3kt039622@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Shrek II X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ------------------ In Fiona's parents' castle, in the background, twice, I saw a portrait that looked suspiciously like this: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/clouet/francois/queen_el.jpg Of course, they made it huge in the movie, I saw it in the Louvre and it's only 36 x 26 cm. Can someone confirm this? Was I just wishing to see it? -------------------------- I saw it too! bounced in the theatre, and then felt like a total geek for noticing it! Wendy Z Chicago _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 22:59:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i542xBRM018524 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542vKNX024387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542vJkr019090; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i542vIkr019069 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id E9EBA5CC90B; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D85115CC8D0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.213.7 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1352.198.93.213.7.1086317843.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.213.7 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: <001901c449de$b30dcd10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com><1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net><200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> <001901c449de$b30dcd10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO wow, that's amazing! I wonder where my info came from? I know traditionally it would shrink. think they treat most wool now to control shrinkage? well, whatever. I guess it's a matter of trial and error. I think if I wanted to wash and dry a wool garment I would test drive a half yard or so. just to see what it did. Kitty > Hi! I used to never wash my wool until my (ex)husband threw one of my > gowns in the washer and dryer. I discovered that it didn't shrink, even > though is was 100% wool. That's when I decided to think more about what > I wanted to make with it, when it came to deciding whether or not to > wash my wool or not. For example: wash and dry on hot settings to > 'felt' the wool for my cape. Also my summer gowns were washed and dried > on hot settings and they barely shrank at all. > > When I make modern suits, I don't prewash my wool at all, since I know > that my suits will be dry cleaned anyways. I put too much > infrastructure into the suit pieces to risk having all that hand work > for the lapels, sleeve head support and other support touches ruined in > the washer and dryer. > > But maybe my experiences with washing and drying wool are just flukes > peculiar to me? I dunno, but whatever, it just seems to work for me. > > Happy Stitching! > Emer/Gia >> >> but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with >> formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? >> >> Kitty >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 23:26:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i543QYRM018638 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:26:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i543PaNX026019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i543PYkr032346; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au [203.26.120.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i543PVkr032225 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i543PFOw001354 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:55:15 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb008.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.22]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i543PCnU001286 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:55:13 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:55:10 +0930 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:54:48 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wool (washing) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi: Wool has a structure very similar to hair. It is a protein, and has little scales along it's length. When heated and rubbed together, as in washed in hot soapy water or tumble-dried, some of these scales lock together, causing fulling (in a woven cloth) or felting (if it's fleece). The degree to which this will cause shrinking depends on the process used to produce the cloth (woolen vs. worsted), the tightness of the weave, any pre-treatments (eg. washable wool) and the type of wool (fine/coarse). Some wool cloth is hardly affected, others full up into thick soft cloth with a lot of shrinking. It may take several washes, depending on the wool type, for the shrinking to stop, but eventually, all the fibres that can possibly lock together will be locked, and it can't shrink/full any further. Ready-made suits that are sold as "dry-clean only" generally don't take machine-washing well as the cloth is not pre-treated to handle heat/agitation. Also all the things like shoulder-pads and linings aren't generally made for it. "Washable wool" is wool that has either been pre-shrunk in the factory, or has been treated in some way. One of the ways is to coat the fibres with a resin, which seals the scales down so they can't open up and lock together. Worsted wools frequently don't shrink much, partly because of factory processing and partly because of the way the threads are produced. They can become a little fuzzy and lose the shiny look though. If you are making a garment that you want to machine wash, wash the fabric in the way you will wash the garment a few times, so that any shrinking is done before cutting out. Incidentally, cloth may shrink more in one direction than another, depending on how it was woven. There are many posts in the archives on this topic - search for "worsted" "woollen" "fulling" etc. Regards, Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 3 23:49:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i543nARM018710 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:49:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i543mfNX027594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i543mYkr042904; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80502.mail.yahoo.com (web80502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i543mWkr042852 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dme_maud@pacbell.net) Message-ID: <20040604034826.38540.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.202.175.150] by web80502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:48:26 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dutch Renaissance Middle Class sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a list of some books on Renaissance Flanders: Ramsay, G.D. The End of the Antwerp mart, Vol. 1: The City of London in International Politics at the Accession of Elizabeth Tudor. ISBN 0-7190-0585-X Ramsay, G.E. The End of the Antwerp mart, Vol. 2: The Queen's Merchants and the Revolt of the Netherlands. ISBN 0-7190-1849-8 Schama, Simon. The Embarrassment of Riches: An Interpretation of Dutch Culture in the Golden Age. ISBN 0-520-06147-0 Howell, Martha C. The Marriage Exchange: Property, Social Place, and Gender in Cities of the Low Countries, 1300-1550. ISBN 0-226-35515-2 Honig, Elizabeth Alice. Painting and the Market in Early Modern Antwerp. ISBN 0-300-07239-2 Some of these may be out of print, but are probably available through abebooks.com Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 00:31:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i544V8RM018868 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:31:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i544TINX029729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i544TGkr061292; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i544TFkr061221 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.4.162]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040604042906.GPEO28685.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:29:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00a301c449ec$7da9b540$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com><1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net><200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com><40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net><001901c449de$b30dcd10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <1352.198.93.213.7.1086317843.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:29:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I always wash/dry the heck out of the wool before I sew with it, shrinkage seems to depend on how much of a twist the thread that makes up the weave has, and the weave itself. I love how lightly fulled wool feels when it comes out of the dryer, often it is much softer than I expected. But then I'm just a wool junkie. :-) I'll happily wear it year-round. Sheridan Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) > wow, that's amazing! I wonder where my info came from? I know > traditionally it would shrink. think they treat most wool now to control > shrinkage? well, whatever. I guess it's a matter of trial and error. > I think if I wanted to wash and dry a wool garment I would test drive a > half yard or so. just to see what it did. Kitty > > > > Hi! I used to never wash my wool until my (ex)husband threw one of my > > gowns in the washer and dryer. I discovered that it didn't shrink, even > > though is was 100% wool. That's when I decided to think more about what > > I wanted to make with it, when it came to deciding whether or not to > > wash my wool or not. For example: wash and dry on hot settings to > > 'felt' the wool for my cape. Also my summer gowns were washed and dried > > on hot settings and they barely shrank at all. > > > > When I make modern suits, I don't prewash my wool at all, since I know > > that my suits will be dry cleaned anyways. I put too much > > infrastructure into the suit pieces to risk having all that hand work > > for the lapels, sleeve head support and other support touches ruined in > > the washer and dryer. > > > > But maybe my experiences with washing and drying wool are just flukes > > peculiar to me? I dunno, but whatever, it just seems to work for me. > > > > Happy Stitching! > > Emer/Gia > >> > >> but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with > >> formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? > >> > >> Kitty > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 01:05:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5455RRM019023 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:05:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5454TNX001741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5454Okr076726; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5454Lkr076694 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:04:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.4.162]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040604050419.VXBZ7199.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: <00ce01c449f1$68e683e0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040603155903.02b7cbe8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:39:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > And go to Wal-Mart today and see how in real life a large department store > of the 21st Century treats it employees, actively works its employees onto > Medi-Cal or other government "health insurance", so it doesn't have to > provide proper benefits, and kills many small family-owned business in many > small cities and neighborhoods by dropping prices. Heck, even major toy > stores can't compete anymore. > > I studied Wal-Marts practices during business courses in college, and I am > watching it happen time and again. My own small home town is about to get a > Wal-Mart, and its downtown merchants are not going to survive. > > btw, in all sense of fairness, I just came from Wal-Mart where I couldn't > find much decent fabric materials to make shirts from. Even with the > $1.00/yd bins and quilt materials. But then I am picky, I want real cotton > or linen fabrics, and not 80% polyester "wrinkle ease" crap that doesn't > breathe. My problem is that my closest fabric store is now 20 minutes away, > and Wal-Mart was down the street. As it is I won't buy the cheaply made > clothes there that just doesn't fit at all. Not to mention just how dirty > that store was, with stuff on the floor that the nearby employee is too > busy chatting to get around to picking up. > > And I better get off this rant against Wal-Mart before it's too late.... > > Kimiko > One who is willing to pay more for quality products and good service. > No, I am not bitter today... I can commisserate. I have lived in two cities now that have lost *all* of their independant bookstores due to a Chapters/Indigo/Big Box Bookstore moving in. It got to the point I could not order any of the books I needed unless I went through the University bookstore or the publisher directly. Most of the big bookstores cannot/will not order anything unless it is on their own websites. Very frustrating when there is only one bookstore in town, and they cannot get what you need. :-p Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 07:10:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54BAwRM014140 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:10:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54BAFNX017487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54BA4kr030337; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54BA0kr030194 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.107]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i54B9cG3005859 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:09:46 +1000 Message-ID: <000101c44a24$733a5fa0$6b90d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 403 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:14:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 403 > Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > >>> A well-executed gown in the proper style for whatevery historical period > >>> you like, will look good on any size person. Sure, if you're a size 24, > >>> you won't look like a slender woman, but you can look queenly or elegant > >>> or fashionable no matter what size you are, if you make the right choices. > >> It's possible to make gorgeous Baroque gowns fit today's > supermodels, but think Uma Thermond in "Dangerous Liaisons" -- it won't look > quite right. If possible, I would recommend that people look for styles and > periods that favor their shapes. If that's not what you want, then by all > means make whatever period you like. There were always people who didn't fit > the ideal, so why not you? But recognize ahead of time that you won't look > like the picture postcard example. I would look terrible in flapper gear, > for example. No matter how much I made it fit, it would not flatter me. > > Gail Finke The example I always think of is Gwyneth Paltrow in Emma she just doesn't have the bust to pull off those styles (and there are plenty of early 19th century satirical cartoons about women who are too skinny and don't look good in the fashions), and if you don't fit the fashionable ideal you won't look good in the really fashionable clothes, therefore if you need to do a particular time period you look at how women who had a figure similar to yours would have adapted the fashions to suit their unfashionable body shape. The same way we do now, I don't fit the supermodel ideal therefore I can't wear runway fashions and still look good but I can take elements and adapt them to a form that is more suited to my figure. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 07:38:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54BbxRM014357 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:37:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54BaBNX018615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54Ba9kr041038; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54Ba7kr041012 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@cybergal.com) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54Ba68s013717 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:36:07 GMT Received: from ctrlalt ([69.140.34.164]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:36:05 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: <006901c44a28$1f518540$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Rcpt-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] armseye redrafting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kitty wrote: Ok, I might be able to help, but what exactly do you mean by too large, is the hole to large, do you want it tighter? a closer fitting sleeve and bodice? HOW does the bust line pull, where do the wrinkles point to? I did redraft a princess seam for a d cup for myself, and I also have slightly rounded shoulders, so I can perhaps visualize what you are saying, but I don't understand what you want for sure. Kitty I know - my question wasn't clear; let me see if I can clarify: Yes, I want the hole smaller, and the sleeve to become correspondingly narrower to go with it. I want to try this (Tiffany - this IS the muslin I'm struggling with!) because I've already narrowed the front piece to remove the extra fabric that droops unattractively because my shoulders are slightly rounded. The problem is that when I reach forward, I still get some "bagging" right above the bust, yet it pulls the back; overall the drape of the entire garment doesn't look very good. I'm willing to entertain ideas that don't involve redrafting the armseye and/or sleeve, but it's the one thing I haven't tried yet. Thoughts? Thanks for your attention! Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 08:34:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54CYdRM014575 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CWcNX020831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CWZkr066079; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CWXkr066060 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i54CWWV1007066 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040604082523.00bc5960@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:32:35 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <20040604034826.38540.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Painting and the Market in Early Modern Antwerp. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's it!! A great book for Flemish paintings between 1550 and 1650. Lots of working class and middle class ... Author is Honig - I remembered that much at least... One of my favorite paintings is in this book. Thank you Dawn for posting that... I looked for the book last night and couldn't find it. Drove myself nuts trying to remember the title. - thanks again. Bridgette. >Painting and the Market in Early Modern Antwerp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 08:43:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54Ch2RM014631 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:43:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CgPNX021277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CgNkr070607; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CgKkr070512 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sewinggoddess@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.63 ([204.127.135.63]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004060412421511200fv0hpe>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:42:15 +0000 Received: from [24.26.111.46] by 204.127.135.63; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:42:14 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:42:14 +0000 Message-Id: <060420041242.18418.40C06E260000B5BE000047F221603762239C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 27 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2V3aW5nZ29kZGVzc0BhdHQubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Butterick has a new pattern out for stays and corsets. Looks like 18-th to 19th century to me. And got mine last night at the 99-cent sale at Jo-annes'. They were just putting the new ones out at my store, so I had to look in the books to see if there was anything *new*. The nuber is 4254 in case the link doesn't work. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004254=x&TI=10001&pageNum=5&M=&UK=33070276 Crissy > Hi! Actually I've used a very nice light weight wool for some of my italian > renaissance gowns. When wearing the gowns of the wool, I actually found > them to be much cooler and easier to do work in hot weather. I think it has > to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes > to evaporate out the sweat easier. 100% Linen is the best for hot weather > (IMO), but wool is a wonderful natural fiber for both hot and cold weather. > Much more versatile than cotton. > > Anyhoo, just my own experiences. I'm sure others will have had just the > reverse... > Happy stitches! > > Gia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency > > > > How about wool? A lightweight wool is always nice and usually drapes > beautifully - not great for summer but lovely for the rest of the year. > > > > Cheers, > > Danielle > > > > --------- Original Message --------- > > >In a message dated 6/2/2004 1:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > > > > >> Does anyone have a source for a > > >> nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or > > >> would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an > > >> acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? > > >> > > > > > >Don't use dupioni unless there's a plaid or something that is just what > you > > >were thinking of. If the colors are perfect, I can forgive the dupioni. > It will > > >soften up if you wash it in hot water. > > > > > >Linen is great. But if it's winter [or summer for that matter] I think > silk > > >for day is ok....as long as it's not outrageously opulent. A china silk > gown > > >would be lov-er-ly. A window pane or check silk would be cute. With a > silk twill > > >pelisse. If you find the right twill but it's too light, flatline it with > > >something the right weight. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >h-costume mailing list > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > > Check out the new EudoraMail at > > http://www.eudoramail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 08:46:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54CkIRM014644 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:46:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54CjmNX021631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54Cjlkr072333; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54Cjjkr072274 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1e9.2215dac0 (4012) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.2215dac0.2df1c8eb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:45:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/4/2004 8:42:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, sewinggoddess@att.net writes: http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004254=x&TI= 10001&pageNum=5&M=&UK=33070276 This looks like mid 18th and mid 19th century to me--no early 19th century there. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 09:26:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54DQCRM014797 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:26:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54DJHNX023353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54DJFkr088770; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54DJCks088741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from LAVOLTA2 (dial-209-148-115-46.sonic.net [209.148.115.46]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i54DJA3S013857 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:19:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c44a37$2efe9730$2e7394d1@LAVOLTA2> From: "Lavolta Press" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:23:53 -0700 Organization: Lavolta Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Two new books on women's clothing 1877-1882 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press has just published _Fashions of the Gilded Age_, a two-volume anthology that contains a wardrobe of women's styles from 1877 through 1882. The 343 patterns and 798 illustrations were selected from numerous sources and edited for this anthology. One major source is a German pattern book, translated into English for the first time. It includes patterns to be enlarged with apportioning scales (special rulers that enable you to produce custom sizes without doing arithmetic). Another is 112 issues of _Harper's Bazar_ with their pattern supplements. Volume 1 contains patterns for corsets (one is an Aesthetic corset, called the Japanese Corset), bustles, lingerie, skirts, day bodices, evening bodices, overskirts, polonaises, and day dresses. Volume 2 focuses on evening dresses, ball gowns, wedding dresses, sidesaddle riding habits, bathing costumes, and outerwear (one pattern is for a Worth mantle). It also includes millinery, hairstyles, accessories, and needlework trimmings. In both volumes quotes from various fashion magazines and etiquette manuals give additional information on construction, materials, trimmings, and wardrobe planning. Volume 2 includes an illustrated 87-page manual, created for this book, on dressmaking, corset making, tailoring, and millinery techniques. Both volumes have been received from our printer. Each can be purchased and used independently. There is more information on our web site, http://www.lavoltapress.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 09:34:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54DYlRM014857 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:34:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54DY7NX024363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54DY5kr096807; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54DY1kr096717 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.d9.c3a0e09 (25711) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:33:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2004 10:51:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > But maybe my experiences with washing and drying wool are just flukes > peculiar to me? I dunno, but whatever, it just seems to work for me. > I once tried to dye in cold water a wool crepe 1940s dress. When it came out of the cold dye bath, it might've fit the cat! [too bad, it was a great dress too] So be careful. Perhaps the weave makes a big difference. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 10:25:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54EPIRM015123 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EN2NX027729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EMokr027055; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EMjkr026969 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f46.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.70]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DEB325EE083 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00b401c44a3f$6c0098b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <060420041242.18418.40C06E260000B5BE000047F221603762239C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:22:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you have lightened me up in this mystery. This corset is used by nearly every women in the Gustavian Society. I wondered where they had it from Thanks. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency > > Butterick has a new pattern out for stays and corsets. Looks like 18-th to 19th century to me. And got mine last night at the 99-cent sale at Jo-annes'. They were just putting the new ones out at my store, so I had to look in the books to see if there was anything *new*. The nuber is 4254 in case the link doesn't work. > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004254=x&TI=10001&pageNum=5&M=&UK=33070276 > > > Crissy > > > > > Hi! Actually I've used a very nice light weight wool for some of my italian > > renaissance gowns. When wearing the gowns of the wool, I actually found > > them to be much cooler and easier to do work in hot weather. I think it has > > to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes > > to evaporate out the sweat easier. 100% Linen is the best for hot weather > > (IMO), but wool is a wonderful natural fiber for both hot and cold weather. > > Much more versatile than cotton. > > > > Anyhoo, just my own experiences. I'm sure others will have had just the > > reverse... > > Happy stitches! > > > > Gia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency > > > > > > > How about wool? A lightweight wool is always nice and usually drapes > > beautifully - not great for summer but lovely for the rest of the year. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Danielle > > > > > > --------- Original Message --------- > > > >In a message dated 6/2/2004 1:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > >AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > >> Does anyone have a source for a > > > >> nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are all a bit flimsy. Or > > > >> would that not be appropriate for daywear? Would dupioni be an > > > >> acceptable substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? > > > >> > > > > > > > >Don't use dupioni unless there's a plaid or something that is just what > > you > > > >were thinking of. If the colors are perfect, I can forgive the dupioni. > > It will > > > >soften up if you wash it in hot water. > > > > > > > >Linen is great. But if it's winter [or summer for that matter] I think > > silk > > > >for day is ok....as long as it's not outrageously opulent. A china silk > > gown > > > >would be lov-er-ly. A window pane or check silk would be cute. With a > > silk twill > > > >pelisse. If you find the right twill but it's too light, flatline it with > > > >something the right weight. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >h-costume mailing list > > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > > > Check out the new EudoraMail at > > > http://www.eudoramail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 10:50:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54EoqRM015291 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:50:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EoRNX000288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EoPkr045746; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:50:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail5.mdx.safepages.com (mail5.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EoLkr045703 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE861CC21C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:50:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail5.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35380-05 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:50:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail5.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 4509D1CC1FF; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust18.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.18]) by mail5.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E27F01CC205 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:50:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <026401c44a43$707b0070$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001c01c44a37$2efe9730$2e7394d1@LAVOLTA2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two new books on women's clothing 1877-1882 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking forward to these books. The previous ones have been excellent. Thanks, Frances! -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 11:04:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54F4fRM015359 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:04:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54F3JNp001488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EkSkr043032; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mdx.safepages.com (mail1.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54EkQkr042963 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B7B13DC16 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:46:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28365-04 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:46:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id E8A6913D834; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:45:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust18.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.18]) by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EE31913DC85 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:45:45 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <024d01c44a42$d6eefce0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: [h-cost] silk sources (was: Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 406) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:47:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't forget http://www.silkconnection.com , where the prices are lower than Dharma or ThaiSilks, especialy if you're willing to buy in bulk. Like Dharma, they pretty much only have white and the occasional black. Since I buy my dye from Dharma, I generally only order from SilkConnection if I plan to order enough to make up for paying the shipping from two places. Which, PS, reminds me of a lesson I learned the painful way: trying to dye silk black is a nightmare and a migraine and all sorts of other nasty painful things all rolled into one. If you need black silk, buy black silk. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 12:18:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54GIpRM015652 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:18:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54GHONX008688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54GHHkr011046; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail9.mdx.safepages.com (mail9.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54GHEkr010983 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail9.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7634D18322E for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail9.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail9.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04098-03 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail9.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3A74018325D; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust18.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.18]) by mail9.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E2F918325B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:17:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:18:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another thing is that sometimes, you just really don't want to try to shrink a wool as far as it'll shrink, even if it's meant to be fulled. If you shrink it too far, you'll wind up with this tiny, spongy, overly dense mess that's nearly impossible to sew, by hand or by machine. I stupidly did that once with 5 yards of already fulled, already shrunken wool, and wound up with 3 yards of wool that was a quarter of an inch thick! It was so pretty, and now it's good for nothing. I an get a needle through it, just barely, but anything made out of it looks like it's made out of cardboard, and the stitches are both too loose to hold well, and so tight that they sink 1/8" into it. I generaly shrink my wool some--a portion, it's hard to explain exactly how much, other than that I just wash it a single time under conditions slightly harsher than I ever plan to use again. Often, for me this means dying it and then rinsing it a bunch, which is certainly harsher than just hand washing and hanging or tumbling it dry with no heat. The garment generally does shrink a bit anyway, but I've found that if I iron it on the lowest steam setting (which I'd do anyway) it gets stretched back out just enough to exactly match what it was before. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 14:17:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54IHGRM016220 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54IFHNX020114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54IF5kr002313; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54IF0kr002217 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0332.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.78]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BWJDW-0004I4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:14:59 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:15:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Joannes From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040603.150523.940.0.Cley@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 6/3/04 6:02 PM, Cynthia J Ley at cley@juno.com wrote: >> Since when is being a housewife a sexist issue? I don't understand >> this. To >> me it seems that the statement was made meaning that it's the type >> of job >> that is generally taken by women who are looking for a little extra >> income, not a >> career. > > Being a housewife is a life choice, not a sexist issue. However, assuming > (heavy emphasis on the first syllable) that you can pay people less than > their counterparts elsewhere because "It's a housewife's job" IS. This > devalues women. It also assumes that you as a manager can pay the little > fluffheads less and get away with it. > > Whether the woman in question is looking for some extra income or a > career is beside the point entirely. Exactly. But this concept is also how part-time teaching at the university level became such a money-saver. Traditionally part-timers were of two types: the expert professional needed to teach a specialized course or two but theoretically self-supporting in his or her "real" profession (e.g., artists, musicians, lawyers, specialized writers such as children's book authors); and the faculty wife, well educated but supported by her husband's salary and benefits and just looking for a chance to use her education and make a little extra money. As long as these people did not look to their teaching jobs for their "real" income they didn't make much of a fuss over salary and benefits. THE FACT REMAINS that they were doing the same work others were getting paid substantially more to do; and now that part-time teaching is the occupation of half of all university faculty, and people are trying to combine multiple part-time salaries to make a living, we are reaping the ugly harvest of the easy economy of the olden days. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy (okay, yeah, part-timer!) and amateur costumer > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 14:59:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54IxMRM016363 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54IvQNX023965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54IvKkr033100; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54IvFkr032965 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040604185708016000m26oe>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c44a65$bcc1b420$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:57:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT workplace sexism? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *sigh* I think it's in how things have been interpreted. For years I have witnessed far more different and demoralizing comments, innuendos to downright rudenes and discourtesy. Simply because it's condoned by a society by simply allowing, dismissing it as "well, she is deaf and really it doesn't matter". I've let these things go; basically just ignored these things as I knew that my emotional and mental well-being was mine to control. What others say and do should just slide off my back, like a duck. But, unfortunately, when supervisor's and superiors attitudes and bias' are explicitly inherent in their treatment and communications with their employees which influences the workplace, then it becomes an issue of an inappropriate workplace environment. And this is wrong. So, yes you are right, people are entitled to their opinions and express those opinions. However, those opinions should not affect the environment of the workplace. I am NOT saying that this occured in the situation complained about; I don't know if it did. I am only sharing information from the perspective of my own personal experiences. I am very sure there are many who disagree with me, and yes that is fine. Again, this is only my own personal experiences. I hope this clarifies my comment. And now, I really think that those who would like to continue this discussion, please let me know, off the list. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "ruthanne baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Joannes > on 6/3/04 6:02 PM, Cynthia J Ley at cley@juno.com wrote: > > >> Since when is being a housewife a sexist issue? I don't understand > >> this. To > >> me it seems that the statement was made meaning that it's the type > >> of job > >> that is generally taken by women who are looking for a little extra > >> income, not a > >> career. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 16:03:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54K3NRM016637 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:03:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54K2aNX029578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54K2Vkr080963; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:02:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54K2Skr080921 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sleepyunicorn@citlink.net) Received: (qmail 27157 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 20:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computername) ([67.136.250.54]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.23) with SMTP for ; 4 Jun 2004 20:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <006d01c44a6e$db73bdb0$01fea8c0@computername> From: "Home Ec" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040602225932.02b79940@64.87.54.245> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:02:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] home economics & Sewing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 02:00 PM 6/2/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >They are going to have the Agriculture teacher teach the mandatory Home > >Ec courses, so absolutely no sewing will get done now. > >Rowena > >Who is both working overtime to try to fix my very old house so I can > >sell it, while Job hunting. If you see any openings listed...... > > Rowena, are you still wanting to teach children in your field, or are you > willing to expand into the private sector? That might help us keep an eye > out if we know what you are willing to do or not. And with all this talk of > teaching kids, have you thought of doing that privately from your home? > Right now I have about 5 leads for jobs at least in the right quarter of New York State (the very Northeast corner, up by the Vermont/Mass border. I am hopeful that one of them will decide that I am not too old or too expensive for them, but losing my job just when I am about to have my 50th birthday is making me have to keep fighting from becoming very depressed! While I would like to keep adding to the 13 years I have in the New York State Teachers Retirement System, I am a realist enough (and I have both an AAS and a BS in Business) to know that I will do whatever I can find a job doing. And I know myself well enough to know that I will enjoy the good parts, and there are always parts of any job that you do not like. So would I consider the private sector - of course! Spent most of my life there. Did the midlife crisis we-got-divorced-so-he-could-marry-the-blonde thing, then put myself back into college to get the right degrees and certifications. So I have a different perspective on teaching then a lot of people who are there, anyway. And I'm weird enough already to most teachers, because I REALLY REALLY like jr high kids. I think teaching 8th grade is the best! But I also know that I am much better at constantly changing conditions and work than I am at anything extremely repetitive. Almost every Principal I have worked for has commented favorably on an ability I have to "wing it", no matter what they or the kids throw at me. Even though I now refuse to fill in for the gym teacher, ever again (The prime rule became "Do NOT hit the teacher, I get very very cranky!") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 16:44:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54KiYRM016852 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54KhtNX003065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54KhVkr010601; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:43:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i54KhTkr010478 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:43:10 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:43:10 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] First time Regency X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >In a message dated 6/3/2004 2:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, >gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > >> I think it has >> to do with the fact the wool breathes, wicks persperation and allows breezes >> to evaporate out the sweat easier. > >I thought wool was the only thing that was warm even when it was wet because >it holds in heat. I made wool aprons for some girls in costume who were >cooking at an open hearth in an 18th century house. They said the wool would >extinguish any embers that might fall on the apron...it's hard to get wool to >ignite... and the wool reflected the heat from the fire. > >Is this true? Yes, that is why the Navy supplies its personnel with wool socks. Believe me, it makes a huge difference when you just had a bunch of water from the North Atlantic dumped in your boots and it is snowing out...It makes a huge difference. Cheers, Danielle Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 17:26:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54LQ2RM017058 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:26:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54LPLNX006827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54LPEkr041179; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54LP8kr041107 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0DC29029 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:25:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p340.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.86]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 519C9C418 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:25:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:25:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ce01c449f1$68e683e0$cb6afea9@sherry> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here we got Barnes and Noble. Because of their limited special ordering the smaller bookstores survive by accessing more sources and can caterer to special interests group much easier. I got my Janet Arnold book through the smaller bookstore because B&N couldn't get it. De -----Original Message----- I can commisserate. I have lived in two cities now that have lost *all* of their independant bookstores due to a Chapters/Indigo/Big Box Bookstore moving in. It got to the point I could not order any of the books I needed unless I went through the University bookstore or the publisher directly. Most of the big bookstores cannot/will not order anything unless it is on their own websites. Very frustrating when there is only one bookstore in town, and they cannot get what you need. :-p Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 4 17:37:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54Lb2RM017099 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54LZBNX007670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54LZ8kr048203; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54LZ5kr048169 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CBB28D37 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p636.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.213.129]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 59FDAC596 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:35:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Has Joanne Fabrics really sunk this low? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:35:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040503, clamav-milter version 0.70u X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- In a message dated 6/3/04 10:57:00 AM Central Daylight Time, lists@margospatterns.com writes: "The company knows they don't have to pay more than minimum wage, because this is a housewife's job." (Tiffany) It's unfortunate that there are managers who feel this way, Is it possible that this manager is just repeating what he/she heard from his superiors or conveying a summury of the higher ups attitude? He may not agree with the attitude but he is expected to follow proceedure. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 02:17:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i556HFRM020158 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i556GeNX007802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i556GQkr010895; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i556GOkr010878 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:16:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from 209-165-45-133.jps.net ([209.165.45.133] helo=stephen) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BWUTf-000449-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: <00bf01c44ac4$00ddd540$852da5d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003201c445e4$035eeff0$91e67643@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flashy Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:11:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff60119663c418edee9a81b4fac223363439350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, now really not even Teddy would be seen in that outfit, it's much too subtle! Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flashy > Who do you think you are, TEDDY? bwah ha ha ha..... > > Seriously I do theatrical costuming, I'm about to do Pippin. You folks who > do "authentic" medieval better close your eyes... Let's see, we've got a tye > dyed hennin and wimple set, leather strappy armor ala "Arthur" the movie, > and some sheer black net for "leggings." Your outfit sounds normal to me... > SCARY > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > W. Shakespeare > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:24 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Flashy > > > > I am sorting through my fabric and getting rid of some and repacking > others > > with patterns. > > I came across some yardages of metallic plaid, cotton with colored Mylar > > shot through. Then suddenly a warped concept came over me. "Lets make Ren > > faire kilts and use the thin gilded vinyl for a jerkin with the shimmery > > gold sheer for the shirt". > > Wahahahahah (maniacal laughter) hahahahahah. > > :) > > De > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 03:06:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i55768RM027968 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:06:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55729NX009803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55727kr030863; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:02:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55725kr030852 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from 209-165-45-133.jps.net ([209.165.45.133] helo=stephen) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BWVBo-0001SX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <035501c44aca$615312e0$852da5d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40BE8DFD.2DBD38D9@floodcity.net> <40BFBF4D.6EF0B902@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:57:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff60cbb69698d1f10a442c049bacb248f1a9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry but I have to get this off my chest. THIS IS WHY MY SON DOES NOT WATCH TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know what TV did to me from watching too much, and I am not putting my son though the sort of pain I went through to get a life. Pull the plug, and they will find something else too do. My biggest problem right now is the fact that he is the Ringleader at his Preschool. His Teachers keep going on about how Creative he is, after they explain how he moved the paint set to the nice large white wall and showed the other kids how to paint it. I am sure this not the last time I will be taking to a teacher. Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty Felton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew > Well, I'm not putting anyone in particular, or any age group in > particular down. I'm merely noting that of my three daughters and > friends, I know a bunch who will sit and watch TV or play video games > til early in the morning but won't go to school or work. > > My son in law plays video games while feeding his toddlers with cheeetos > and Mountain Dew while my daugter works. He's in jail right now, so I'm > watching the little ones. the 9 month old was raised to sit in his Car > seat and watch tv so his daddy can play. he hadn't had solid foods til > just two weeks ago when he came here to live. he was still choking on > crackers. > > of my daughters, DD#1 will sew if she wants something special, DD#3 sews > hippy clothes and makes macrame, and DD#2 won't do anything which > requires her to get off the couch. I have to give it to Her though, she > actually will go to work, as opposed to her husband. Somehow I failed > to share any of my interests or passions to any of my kids. I'm trying > harder with the grandkids, but they're a little small yet. LOL > > Anyway, anything I might say about young people is filtered through the > eyes of one who sees to much of what I wish I didn't have to see. I > don't know any young people who are interested seeing, hearing, or doing > anything much other than watching TV or hanging out with friends. it's > depressing. > Kitty > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > > I hope this doesn't translate into to many kids not wanting to go to > > > college, to few engineers, to few doctors, to few who will stick to > > > anything long enough to learn a valuable skill, but I think it might > > > actually come to that. > > > > Even today, even in your generation, there are tons of people who do nothing > > but drink beer and watch tv! I don't think our generation is any worse than > > any that came before. > > > > My problem is that I tend to forget how little other people know and do. I > > hang out with people who are either reenactors or university students, > > usually, so when I go out "in the real world", that can be a harsh reality > > check, I lose track of how uniniterested with *anything* some people can be. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 10:06:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i55E6KRM013763 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55E5iNX026049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55E5Xkr093328; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55E5Uks093255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:05:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1BWbnW-0002Qc-QA; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:05:22 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1BWbfM-0007Qv-00; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:56:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:56:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Audrey Bergeron-Morin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 406 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Also, www.exoticsilks.com, their wholesale branch. They have the same selection as thai silks. You have to buy by the roll 15-17 yards, but the discounts are really good. You must be a business to order but setting up as a business is really easy. You can also set up as a business on thai silks to get a 20% discount. Katy On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >There's also www.thaisilks.com . Comparable to Dharma both in prices and >quality, and service is good. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Panther Grrl" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:08 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 406 > > >> Off lurking to answer the below.... >> http://www.dharmatrading.com/silk_fabrics.html >> This is the best source I have found. You should order all the silk >swatches, to pick & choose. Everything is for silk painting, so its usually >white(they have a small selection of black) >> >> They carry silk twill. They also carry superlative silk dyes. They are >fast, and they have a catalogue. >> I use them, I like them. Unfortunately, to get the really good prices, you >need to buy the bolt... >> >> If you have friends, a 50yd bolt of raw silk can be >> had for less than $4 a yard. Charmeuse by the bolt is >> $5.87 for 19.5mm(pronounced mummy, and is weight, this is getting into >bridal weight) for a 50yard bolt at >> 45 inches wide. >> >> No other place that I have found beats the price for >> the quality of what you get. Everything is listed by >> fabric content & mm. Swatches will help you decide which weight is best >for you. >> >> >Does anyone have a source for a >> >nice silk twill/sarsenet? The ones I have seen are >all a bit flimsy. Or >would that not be appropriate >for daywear? Would dupioni be an acceptable >>substitute, or is that too stiff/too slubby? >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages >> >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 10:08:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i55E8kRM013779 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:08:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55E8KNX026221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55E8Jkr094435; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55E8Iks094390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1BWbqG-0002qJ-J5; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:08:12 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1BWbrw-00011j-00; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:09:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Bjarne og Leif Drews Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery In-Reply-To: <002b01c449a2$0c4a9300$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That dress is from the V&A, just a small b&w photo in the book. Here is the description from _400 Years of Fashion_: Gown and Petticoat, pale blue silk (French about 1755), brocaded with a floral design in maroon adorned with green foliage springing from linked silver tendrils with silver flowers. English 1755-60 A sack adjustable with a laced linen lining, skirt and petticoat cut to accomodate a wide, slightly flaring hoop. The trimming is exceptionally rich and elaborate. The double frilled cuffs, robings, front facings of the skirt and petticoat are trimmed in silver lace, and to this are applied artificial flowers of ruched ribbon with bead centres, stiffened silk tassels and feathers in colours which harmonize with those of the silk. On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Found this picture of a dress. Is this ribbon embroidered flowers on the >decoration? >http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20030207/high/1094-002.jpg >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 19:23:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i55NNdRM018363 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:23:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55NMeNX026661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55NMAkr049799; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i55NLNkr049361 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 18858 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2004 23:21:17 -0000 Received: from cts-san21612000493.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.93) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 23:21:17 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:21:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406032021.i53KKokt009542@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] widow's peak X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. I had fun reading this and the Word Detective link. Julie >> ***As someone with a widow's peak hairline, I am curious as to the origin >of >> this term. Was this hood only worn by widows? How did it get its name? >[Sg] Not that this would qualify as real research (hence the quotation >marks in my original post), but : http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20021227.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 19:41:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i55NfERM018424 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55NZPNX027235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i55NZNkr055759; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i55NZLkr055704 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OtcmAjzZWhNRgCRnNRiNiV8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JXD9PYX7; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:35:03 PDT To: antir-costumers@antir.sca.org Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:34:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20040605.163446.1996.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-10,12-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: cameronfamily3@juno.com, antir-laurels@antir.sca.org, Cley@juno.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Seeking info on Breton Stitch X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone. I have a friend who happened upon something called "Brittain" or "Breton" stitch (I found it under the latter via Google). It is related to Herringbone, according to the author my friend read, but the author didn't say anything more about it other than it was "obscure" and "ancient," which as we all know is about as useful as saying a duck has feathers. While I found a how-to diagram of the stitch, we are curious as to how old a stich it is. Her persona is 15th century Breton, and she'ld like to know if she can get away with using it. Here are the two websites I found under "Breton stitch": http:www.crosscountryshopping.com/special%20stitches/brenton.htm This one shows the stitch. http:www.hiraeth.com/ytg/books/riches.htm Thank you for any help you might be able to give. Arlys An Tir ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 5 20:07:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5607RRM018508 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5606sNX028727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5606okr068647; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5606mkr068593 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:06:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200406051906.AA268501206@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] opinions on PACC???? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PACC for those who don't know, is the Professional Association of Custom Clothiers. I've been a member for the last year and will be scraping up the money to join again. Over $100.00 membership (price jump this year) but I do find the email list to be full of some very helpful women who sew professionally who are full of tips and resource leads. I've been working on digitizing historic embroidery patterns for resale for quite some time and have found this group to be the best place to talk about the business aspect of costume. Claire Shaeffer is on the list (author of Couture Sewing Techniques and many more wonderful books) and answers many construction questions, as well as a number of other very experienced women working in couture. I haven't had time to attend meetings yet, but hope to in the future. You can join as an intern and work into a full membership which does require references. Lisa Sinervo www.thrednedlestrete.com www.ElizabethanEmbroidery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 01:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i565r4RM020255 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 01:53:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i565qTNX017447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i565qKkr015075; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i565qIkr015063 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E635D1D058 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:52:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p214.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.216]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FE56D40A for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:52:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <035501c44aca$615312e0$852da5d1@stephen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Personally I would not go blaming the TV. The TV is a tool, a fixture that can be used and/or abused. Also, I do not think it was the TV that inspired the wall painting. My brother and I colored one whole wall without any inspiration from the TV. Not to mention the mud hand prints on the side of the neighbors house. Ooo and then we discovered magic markers. You can color and paint anything if you put your mind to it. :) -----Original Message----- Sorry but I have to get this off my chest. THIS IS WHY MY SON DOES NOT WATCH TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know what TV did to me from watching too much, and I am not putting my son though the sort of pain I went through to get a life. Pull the plug, and they will find something else too do. My biggest problem right now is the fact that he is the Ringleader at his Preschool. His Teachers keep going on about how Creative he is, after they explain how he moved the paint set to the nice large white wall and showed the other kids how to paint it. I am sure this not the last time I will be taking to a teacher. Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 02:06:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5666KRM020302 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5665iNX017920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5665gkr020043; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5665ekr019967 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 1D5455CC00D; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 094485CC00A for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.211.145 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2703.198.93.211.145.1086501935.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.145 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: References: <035501c44aca$615312e0$852da5d1@stephen> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My personal experience with TV and kids is that it makes them whiny, unimaginative, over stimulated and over dependent on others to entertain them. I personally think no kid under the age of 8 should watch much of anything on TV, it seems to slow them developmentally, and I include barney and Sesame street in that catagory. I let my own kids watch them, but seeing how much better my grandkids behave when I don't let them turn it on, I repent with tears. LOL Kitty > Personally I would not go blaming the TV. The TV is a tool, a fixture > that can be used and/or abused. > > Also, I do not think it was the TV that inspired the wall painting. My > brother and I colored one whole wall without any inspiration from the > TV. Not to mention the mud hand prints on the side of the neighbors > house. Ooo and then we discovered magic markers. > You can color and paint anything if you put your mind to it. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > Sorry but I have to get this off my chest. THIS IS WHY MY SON DOES NOT > WATCH TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I know what TV did to me from watching too much, and I am not putting my > son though the sort of pain I went through to get a life. Pull the > plug, and they will find something else too do. My biggest problem _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 08:41:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56CfuRM001636 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Cf2NX003191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Cerkr063370; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Cekkr063300 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beec.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.236]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C3C9A26281D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c44bc3$81a38620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:40:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] danish court dress in progress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I uploaded for you the mounting of the outer layer to the boned foundation of the danish court dress. Here you can se the colour of taffeta i found for the dress. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/estrup2.htm This is a very tiresome and hard process to cover the boned foundation to the outer cover. It is so hard for the finger muschles and it is very difficult to sit with the heavy foundations all the time. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 09:38:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56DcJRM001929 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:38:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56DZhNX005240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56DZfkr082124; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56DZBkr081897 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beec.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.236]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E5843262860 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:35:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001b01c44bcb$1cf5c690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:35:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] perfumed spice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Just wondered if any can help me with this mystery. An old lady gave to me a little gift. It was a small bag with a very smelly perfumed spice. She told me she had it from Italy where it only grows in this particular part of Italy. Unfortunately i forgot what the name of it was, but i remember it was a word i never heard before. It is a very intense cent and i have put it into my costume closet, like you would do with lavender. Does any of you know the name of this spice? smell is like perfume. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 09:38:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56DcKRM001932 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:38:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Db0NX005307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Dawkr082786; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:36:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Daukr082772 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYW00M2X357XK@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:37:38 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish court dress in progress. In-reply-to: <000e01c44bc3$81a38620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <40C31E22.2040406@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <000e01c44bc3$81a38620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is a GORGEOUS corset, like all your work. Is this for you to wear? Or do you make your creations for others? Jordana Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello, > I uploaded for you the mounting of the outer layer to the boned foundation > of the danish court dress. Here you can se the colour of taffeta i found for > the dress. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/estrup2.htm > This is a very tiresome and hard process to cover the boned foundation to > the outer cover. It is so hard for the finger muschles and it is very > difficult to sit with the heavy foundations all the time. > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 09:43:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56DhZRM001943 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:43:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Dh0NX005484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Dgwkr084931; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Dgukr084915 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beec.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.236]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EB5C65EE034 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002801c44bcc$3308c1c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:43:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] danish courtdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is a GORGEOUS corset, like all your work. Is this for you to wear? Or do you make your creations for others? Jordana Hi Jordana. No i am not a cross dresser, i am a man. ;-.) I make the dress for a danish castle. They have a portrait of a lady, where i am trying to recreate the dress from the portrait. The castle is called Gammel Estrup (Old Estrup) and you can se it here: http://www.gammelestrup.dk/ On the 26th and 27th this month there will be a 1700 market there with a lot of craftsmen showing their trades. I will be fully dressed in 18th century attire and i shall demonstrate embroidery. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 09:55:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56DtHRM002000 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56DrWNX005987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56DrUkr088809; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from covert.brown-ring.iadfw.net (covert.black-ring.iadfw.net [209.196.123.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56DrSkr088784 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lecachot@airmail.net) Received: from pppth08-364.ght.iadfw.net ([207.136.52.238] helo=hewlettt06rp0e) by covert.iadfw.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BWy6F-0005KE-8k for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: <014201c44bce$193cfcf0$ee3488cf@hewlettt06rp0e> From: "Lee & Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c44bcb$1cf5c690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] perfumed spice Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:56:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could it possibly be frangipani? That has a very intense scent. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [h-cost] perfumed spice > Hi, > Just wondered if any can help me with this mystery. > An old lady gave to me a little gift. It was a small bag with a very smelly > perfumed spice. She told me she had it from Italy where it only grows in > this particular part of Italy. > Unfortunately i forgot what the name of it was, but i remember it was a word > i never heard before. > It is a very intense cent and i have put it into my costume closet, like you > would do with lavender. > Does any of you know the name of this spice? smell is like perfume. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 10:04:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56E4hRM002031 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:04:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56E4CNX006679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56E4Akr093009; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56E48kr092987 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beec.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.236]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BA947FE11 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:04:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c44bcf$2a0d88a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c44bcb$1cf5c690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <014201c44bce$193cfcf0$ee3488cf@hewlettt06rp0e> Subject: Re: [h-cost] perfumed spice Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:04:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yes this is very possible, i think i recognise that word. It is a very intense smell. Thanks a lot Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee & Susan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] perfumed spice > Could it possibly be frangipani? That has a very intense scent. > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:35 AM > Subject: [h-cost] perfumed spice > > > > Hi, > > Just wondered if any can help me with this mystery. > > An old lady gave to me a little gift. It was a small bag with a very > smelly > > perfumed spice. She told me she had it from Italy where it only grows in > > this particular part of Italy. > > Unfortunately i forgot what the name of it was, but i remember it was a > word > > i never heard before. > > It is a very intense cent and i have put it into my costume closet, like > you > > would do with lavender. > > Does any of you know the name of this spice? smell is like perfume. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 11:33:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56FX1RM002432 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56FP9NX010050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56FP6kr023233; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56FP5kr023223 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYW00BDO85118@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:25:44 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish courtdress In-reply-to: <002801c44bcc$3308c1c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <40C33778.7040204@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <002801c44bcc$3308c1c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Jordana. > No i am not a cross dresser, i am a man. ;-.) I make the dress for a danish > castle. They have a portrait of a lady, where i am trying to recreate the > dress from the portrait. > The castle is called Gammel Estrup (Old Estrup) and you can se it here: > http://www.gammelestrup.dk/ > On the 26th and 27th this month there will be a 1700 market there with a lot > of craftsmen showing their trades. > I will be fully dressed in 18th century attire and i shall demonstrate > embroidery. > > Bjarne Jordana Writes: Ah, I have been wondering if i misrememberd what i had read previously, or irf you did cross-dress (i gues i do somethines myself with pants and such like) or if i was just totally confused! Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 13:33:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56HXORM003215 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56HVpNX017096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56HVfkr074126; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu (mail.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56HVbkr074060 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchell [209.131.86.86] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-8.05) id A3CCC1E70126; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:26:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c44bec$18841190$565683d1@washjeff.edu> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040602014404.00b28950@pop.fuse.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1910 fans Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:43:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO what time of year? and occasion? Sunner fans that I have seen tend to be palm woven shapes. also popular were medium size fans with chinaese/japanese motiffs,or plain paper with wood 'spokes', or sandalwood. Fans for the ballroom often were if ivory and delicate lace. Some were small enough to fit in an evening purse. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.E. Marshall" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1910 fans > I have been asked what type of fan that a young woman would have used in > 1910. Does anyone know of pictures that would illustrate them? Preferably > online so that I can email the address to my friend? > > Thanks, > Jennifer > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 14:52:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56Iq8RM003725 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:52:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Io8NX020821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Io6kr006120; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Io0kr006008 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:50:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beec.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.236]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 755162628A1 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:49:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c44bf7$1b633bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:50:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] rolled seam X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, considered how to make the sleaves of my court dress. I have handstitched the entire bodice and i make the undersleave in taffeta, and then i will cover it with the puffed white satin sleave and the pleated ruffles. I use silk organza for the ruffled sleaves and i want to handstitch the hems by rolling the seam. I have done this before, but as the organza is sheer, often i have noticed the thread to be quite visible. Do you think i could avoid this by using my thin bobbin lace thread. I have as thin as number 300 cotton thread to this. Boy, it is a hard work to make such a court bodice, i dont wonder why it was the fashion for high cirkles because it is requiring all your skills and time. I spended more than 12 hours each day saturday and sunday, and i only made the bodice without the sleaves. Do you know Mauritia from Germany? She is a most skilled and clever costume maker. I think she is the only one i know who tryed to make the court style. You can se here work here: http://www.mauritia.de/en/rococo/rococo_costumes.html She also made the jacket from Revolution in Fashion, wich i am to make next. Her court dress is so beautifull, but i think she cheated a little, because she did not make the boned tabs in the front of the bodice, but perhaps it was not used in the french fashion. I have gone the hole monty, and it sure is hard to do. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 15:56:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56JuORM003968 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Jr2NX024632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Jqxkr031709; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Jqvkr031647 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id D2EE65CC674; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0417.floodcity.net [198.93.212.163]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0E55CC3B6 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C37572.530A47F@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 15:50:10 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] rolled seam References: <000e01c44bf7$1b633bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, I would say that the finer the thread the more it will dissappear, and for a rolled hem with no stress on it, I would try a sample with the finest thread. WHERE did you find such a fine thread? I had heard it was unobtainable in the last hundred years! thanks, Kitty Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi, > considered how to make the sleaves of my court dress. I have handstitched > the entire bodice and i make the undersleave in taffeta, and then i will > cover it with the puffed white satin sleave and the pleated ruffles. I use > silk organza for the ruffled sleaves and i want to handstitch the hems by > rolling the seam. I have done this before, but as the organza is sheer, > often i have noticed the thread to be quite visible. Do you think i could > avoid this by using my thin bobbin lace thread. I have as thin as number 300 > cotton thread to this. > Boy, it is a hard work to make such a court bodice, i dont wonder why it > was the fashion for high cirkles because it is requiring all your skills and > time. I spended more than 12 hours each day saturday and sunday, and i only > made the bodice without the sleaves. > Do you know Mauritia from Germany? She is a most skilled and clever costume > maker. I think she is the only one i know who tryed to make the court style. > You can se here work here: > http://www.mauritia.de/en/rococo/rococo_costumes.html > She also made the jacket from Revolution in Fashion, wich i am to make next. > Her court dress is so beautifull, but i think she cheated a little, because > she did not make the boned tabs in the front of the bodice, but perhaps it > was not used in the french fashion. > I have gone the hole monty, and it sure is hard to do. > > Bjarne > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 16:01:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56K1JRM004007 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56K0iNX024985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56K0hkr034978; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56K0ekr034934 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beec.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.236]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E8DE262880 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801c44c01$00adb980$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c44bf7$1b633bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <40C37572.530A47F@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] rolled seam Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:01:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kitty, Lacemakers uses it and they use it for the fine point ground laces with tulle ground. Try Lacis.com i think they have it. It is called Egyptian cotton. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty Felton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] rolled seam > Hi Bjarne, > I would say that the finer the thread the more it will dissappear, and > for a rolled hem with no stress on it, I would try a sample with the > finest thread. > WHERE did you find such a fine thread? I had heard it was unobtainable > in the last hundred years! thanks, Kitty > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Hi, > > considered how to make the sleaves of my court dress. I have handstitched > > the entire bodice and i make the undersleave in taffeta, and then i will > > cover it with the puffed white satin sleave and the pleated ruffles. I use > > silk organza for the ruffled sleaves and i want to handstitch the hems by > > rolling the seam. I have done this before, but as the organza is sheer, > > often i have noticed the thread to be quite visible. Do you think i could > > avoid this by using my thin bobbin lace thread. I have as thin as number 300 > > cotton thread to this. > > Boy, it is a hard work to make such a court bodice, i dont wonder why it > > was the fashion for high cirkles because it is requiring all your skills and > > time. I spended more than 12 hours each day saturday and sunday, and i only > > made the bodice without the sleaves. > > Do you know Mauritia from Germany? She is a most skilled and clever costume > > maker. I think she is the only one i know who tryed to make the court style. > > You can se here work here: > > http://www.mauritia.de/en/rococo/rococo_costumes.html > > She also made the jacket from Revolution in Fashion, wich i am to make next. > > Her court dress is so beautifull, but i think she cheated a little, because > > she did not make the boned tabs in the front of the bodice, but perhaps it > > was not used in the french fashion. > > I have gone the hole monty, and it sure is hard to do. > > > > Bjarne > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 16:38:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56KcCRM004198 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:38:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56KaGNX026848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Ka9kr050341; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i56Ka7kr050270 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040606203601.307.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:36:01 EDT Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish court dress in progress. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000e01c44bc3$81a38620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WOW...Very nice and obviously a lot of work. I am very impressed. Janet Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hello, I uploaded for you the mounting of the outer layer to the boned foundation of the danish court dress. Here you can se the colour of taffeta i found for the dress. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/estrup2.htm This is a very tiresome and hard process to cover the boned foundation to the outer cover. It is so hard for the finger muschles and it is very difficult to sit with the heavy foundations all the time. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 16:38:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56KcmRM004205 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56KcHNX026955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56KcHkr051240; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56KcCks051213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Kh2fc009753 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:43:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i56Kh2n7009751 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:43:02 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:43:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <035501c44aca$615312e0$852da5d1@stephen> <2703.198.93.211.145.1086501935.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <2703.198.93.211.145.1086501935.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406061643.02443.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:05 am, basyefelton@floodcity.net wrote: > My personal experience with TV and kids is that it makes them whiny, > unimaginative, over stimulated and over dependent on others to entertain > them. I personally think no kid under the age of 8 should watch much of > anything on TV, it seems to slow them developmentally, and I include > barney and Sesame street in that catagory. Just to play devil's advocate for a bit.... When I was growing up (in the early 1960s, before Sesame Street even came out), the TV in our house was on practically every hour somebody was up, and my parents never made any attempt to restrict my viewing. At all. Yet I began reading at 2 1/2 (and am an avid reader to this day, though while I was growing up I did a lot of my reading while listening to the TV with one ear.) Now, I only use my TV for watching movie videos, and I've never had cable service. I let my own kids watch them, > but seeing how much better my grandkids behave when I don't let them turn > it on, I repent with tears. LOL I was an unusually well-behaved child, too. Go figure. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 16:40:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56KePRM004220 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:40:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56KdgNX027056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Kdgkr051865; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Kd8ks051628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:39:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Khwfc009768 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:43:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i56KhwC2009766 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:43:58 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] rolled seam Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:43:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <000e01c44bf7$1b633bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000e01c44bf7$1b633bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406061643.58642.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the URLs to your court dress and Mauritia's site! The work shown on both is really an inspiration. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 17:48:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56Lm0RM004503 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56LikNX000632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Ligkr080320; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (nobody@mail9.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Lidkr080283 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@cybergal.com) Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (libra.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.113]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56LictU022975 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:44:39 GMT Received: from ctrlalt ([69.140.34.164]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:44:36 -0500 From: "A.Thurman" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: <00fc01c44c0f$77577fe0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Rcpt-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Kids and TV X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My personal experience with TV and kids is that it makes them whiny, > unimaginative, over stimulated and over dependent on others > to entertain > them. I personally think no kid under the age of 8 should > watch much of > anything on TV, it seems to slow them developmentally, and I include > barney and Sesame street in that catagory. I let my own > kids watch them, > but seeing how much better my grandkids behave when I don't > let them turn > it on, I repent with tears. LOL > > Kitty > I could argue successfully that the TV can do the same to adults, in spades! Allison T. (recreation tv viewer, but I don't LIVE in front of the box!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 17:49:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56LnaRM004512 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:49:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Ln5NX000805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Ln5kr082081; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Ln3kr082049 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f81.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.129]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C75EB47FE1F for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c44c10$1a8d44b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyright of pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this topic has ben disgussed again and again. Yeat i have a little input in this. When i was going to make the court dress for the museum, i did not realise that copyrights was that difficult. The museum told me they borrowed the portrait from the danish National Museum of Frederiksborg wich has nearly all portraits in Denmark. When i told the museum that the making of the dress demanded that i had to put it in progress of my website, they told me that it might be difficult because of the copyrights. Then again, i have seen on other costume websites numerous portraits. I dont believe they (who posted pictures from books) has any rights to do so.Anyway, they posted the pictures. Katia Johansen wich is a curator from a danish museum called Rosenborg, is travelling round all the country in Denmark and lecturing the styles of the danish queens. She uses pictures from the museums. Now can any tell me what makes the difference in her doing this in public and me doing it in public on the net? Why has she more rights to do so, than me. We are both danish citisens, and we both have this great herritage of Denmark. Bjarme who cant understand things :-( Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 17:52:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56LqpRM004530 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Lp6NX000917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Lp5kr083019; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:51:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f10.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Lp0kr082926 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:50:55 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.222 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:50:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.222] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:50:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2004 21:50:55.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[57E8D180:01C44C10] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Underwear article question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Within the last month, I was reading an article regarding medieval underwear, and showing pictures that showed, among other things, a variety of colors. Unfortunately, I have since lost that part of my mind. Can anyone happen to tell me WHERE I was reading this? Marc the somewhat befuddled... _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 17:52:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56LquRM004533 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:52:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56LqSNX001046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56LqSkr083715; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56LqFkr083606 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f81.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.129]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91CB85EE01E for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:52:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:52:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kids and TV X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My two cents in this is: When i was a child, my parents let me watch all i wanted in television. This was good and bad. I could not take the horror movies, But i enjoyed the childrens programs. Especially i watched Swedish children programmes, and it taught me the language of swedish. So i am glad my parents let me watch television. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 18:11:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56MBoRM004678 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:11:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MBINX002022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MBHkr091720; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MBDks091673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56MAQ2x027507 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:10:26 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C3967F.2090807@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:11:11 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright of pictures References: <001e01c44c10$1a8d44b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c44c10$1a8d44b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Now can any tell me what makes the difference in her doing this in public > and me doing it in public on the net? You might want to check with a lawyer for the arts. However, for England and the USA, there was a decision a couple of years ago that a photograph of a *flat* work of art (painting, presumably tapestry, manuscript) was not copyrightable, because no new "art" was involved in its creation. Skill of the photographer, yes. Money, etc, yes. But not copyright as such. This applies to works old enough to be out of copyright already. Here are some descriptions of that case: http://www.panix.com/~squigle/rarin/corel2.html http://www.funnystrange.com/copyright/bridgeman.htm And this is about "derivative works" which your reconstruction of the dress could be considered. http://www.artslaw.org/DERIV.HTM -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent I have a simple-sounding solution for much political ill: fire the speechwriters; make the candidates & office holders write their own material. This would remove the blandness, the spin-doctoring, and the nicey-nicey masks that folks wear when delivering someone else's work. Then we'll *really* know who we're voting for. -- cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 18:30:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56MUJRM004745 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:30:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MTcNX003126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:29:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MTakr099512; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:29:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MTXks099486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-112.sonic.net [209.148.112.112]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i56MTWLD010247 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:29:32 -0700 Message-ID: <40C39BE8.9060104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 15:34:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright of pictures References: <001e01c44c10$1a8d44b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <40C3967F.2090807@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <40C3967F.2090807@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, the Bridgeman case was only one lawsuit, decided by one district judge in New York. It does not change US copyright law. It does not by any means guarantee that another US lawsuit on the same issue would have the same outcome. It is quite common for different lawsuits on similar issues to have different outcomes. And a US suit has no application to any non-US copyrights, English, Danish, or other. I would advise Bjarne to look for the Danish copyright office's website, or if they don't have one to contact them and ask for information. Fran Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Now can any tell me what makes the difference in her doing this in >> public >> and me doing it in public on the net? > > > You might want to check with a lawyer for the arts. However, for > England and the USA, there was a decision a couple of years ago that a > photograph of a *flat* work of art (painting, presumably tapestry, > manuscript) was not copyrightable, because no new "art" was involved > in its creation. Skill of the photographer, yes. Money, etc, yes. > But not copyright as such. This applies to works old enough to be out > of copyright already. > > Here are some descriptions of that case: > > http://www.panix.com/~squigle/rarin/corel2.html > http://www.funnystrange.com/copyright/bridgeman.htm > > And this is about "derivative works" which your reconstruction of the > dress could be considered. http://www.artslaw.org/DERIV.HTM > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 18:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56MncRM004796 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56MlpNX003925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Mlmkr007072; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56Mlkkr006997 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1d3.22ea5e06 (3858) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1d3.22ea5e06.2df4f90b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright of pictures To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/2004 5:49:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Katia Johansen wich is a curator from a danish museum called Rosenborg, is travelling round all the country in Denmark and lecturing the styles of the danish queens. She uses pictures from the museums. Now can any tell me what makes the difference in her doing this in public and me doing it in public on the net? She might have official permission, or she might not. And lecturing is regarded as different from publishing. Here in the US I might request a "one-time" use for non-profit lecture, which might be granted but would cost a lot less than if I was going to publish a book. The Internet is still fairly new and some people might interpret that the same way as publishing a book, while others might not. Then again, I have seen sites where I'm fairly certain the creators have used images without permission. Then, it all depends on if they get caught, and how badly the copyright holder wants to go after them if they do become aware of it. Sometimes, it depends on who and how you ask. Other times, you don't have much choice. For example, when I needed an image from the New York Times for an exhibit at our historic house museum, which has a miniscule budget, I was charged the standard $190 (if memory serves correctly) "non-profit" rights fee, which would be the same charged to, say, Mount Vernon. Never mind that my entire exhibit budget was about $600. But I really needed that image, so I paid the money. Your project is so worthwhile, though, Bjarne, that I would be surprised if a written request, properly explained and properly requested, in writing, would be turned down. If the museum in question charges a standard fee (like the NYTimes, above), could the museum for whom you are making the repro either help out, or request on your behalf? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 19:32:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56NWGRM005061 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NVHNX006306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NV9kr024696; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NV7kr024663 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i56N6uE24339 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:06:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C3AA16.5030104@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:34:46 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Underwear article question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO CA #13, maybe? --sue, who wonders why no one's ever done a CA on shoes..... Marc Carlson wrote: > Within the last month, I was reading an article regarding medieval > underwear, and showing pictures that showed, among other things, a > variety of colors. Unfortunately, I have since lost that part of my > mind. Can anyone happen to tell me WHERE I was reading this? > > Marc the somewhat befuddled... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 19:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56NYuRM005073 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NYPNX006503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NYPkr026063; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NYKkr025952 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.18]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i56NXwWS030397 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:05 +1000 Message-ID: <000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> <027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:21:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > Another thing is that sometimes, you just really don't want to try to shrink > a wool as far as it'll shrink, even if it's meant to be fulled. If you > shrink it too far, you'll wind up with this tiny, spongy, overly dense mess > that's nearly impossible to sew, by hand or by machine. I stupidly did that > once with 5 yards of already fulled, already shrunken wool, and wound up > with 3 yards of wool that was a quarter of an inch thick! It was so pretty, > and now it's good for nothing. I an get a needle through it, just barely, > but anything made out of it looks like it's made out of cardboard, and the > stitches are both too loose to hold well, and so tight that they sink 1/8" > into it. -E Could you use it for millinery? if it really is as stiff as cardboard it could be perfect for a stiff type of hat (I'm thinking of a 19th century bonnet as that's what I've been looking at lately, but I expect whatever time period you prefer has some sort of stiff felted wool hat) I just hate the thought of wool going to waste like that. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 19:36:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56NaHRM005082 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:36:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NYYNX006520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NYXkr026134; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56NYKkr025946 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.18]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i56NXwWQ030397 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:02 +1000 Message-ID: <000101c44c1e$bff12bc0$1291d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:10:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew > > What is it with this generation and video > > games? > > Erh, well, I guess I have to assume that I don't fit in with my generation > then. > Yeah, I think that's it. > I'm a weirdo :-) Hey me too! I (or at least my Dad) had a computer before I was born (in 1983) but I think everybody on this list is a bit of a weirdo, I mean recreating costumes from hundreds of years ago is not exactly normal. You know this hobby has started to affect your mind when (in a mundane location) you see a crowd of people staring at something, when you go over to find out what they're staring at you see somebody dressed in historical costume (A lady from my SCA Barony wearing 16th century Venetian) and look straight past them still searching for what everybody is looking at. Now don't tell me that's 'normal' Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 20:02:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5702qRM005186 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57027NX007984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57021kr037924; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5701wkr037847 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA2A4264A for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40C3B1F8.4050400@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:08:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1870 handbags or purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone tell me what kind of purse or handbag a woman living in 1870 would have carried when she went out shopping? I can find all kinds of pictures of ladies dressed up in their finest and posed for a photograph, but I'm striking out when it comes to where they put their money when they went to do the weekly shopping. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 20:30:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i570UtRM005271 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:30:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i570SqNX009408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i570Smkr049522; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f7.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i570Sikr049419 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:28:38 -0700 Received: from 129.244.96.60 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 00:28:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.60] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:28:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 00:28:38.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[60B55020:01C44C26] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Medieval Underwear article question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Sue Clemenger >CA #13, maybe? >--sue, who wonders why no one's ever done a CA on shoes..... I'm pretty sure I haven't read a CA in quite some time. Also this had color photos. I have no idea why no one's done one on shoes. Maybe after I finish the book :) Marc _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 20:57:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i570vvRM005375 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:57:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i570rGNX010692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i570rEkr059890; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay8-f88.bay8.hotmail.com [64.4.27.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i570rDkr059843 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:53:06 -0700 Received: from 130.102.116.207 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 00:53:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.102.116.207] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com From: "Cornelia Muncke" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:53:06 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 00:53:06.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBCD5C60:01C44C29] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Medieval Underwear article question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, Both the Age of the Cotehardie (atoc) at yahoogroups dot com and the Armour archive list (www dot armourarchive dot org) have discussed this topic extensively in the last month with lots of info, links etc. The thread is called "Chausses and Braies". Maybe that's where you have read it? Hope this helps, Caithlinn _________________________________________________________________ Get a Credit Card - 60 sec online response: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;8097459;9106288;b?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/qantas5000ninemsn [AU only] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 21:03:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5713DRM005407 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:03:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5711HNX011023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5711Gkr063310; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5711Ekr063293 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from 209-165-41-092.jps.net ([209.165.41.92] helo=stephen) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BX8Vl-00037r-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:01:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c44c2a$4d7ea7a0$5c29a5d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:56:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff6077bc4530e2ad63e4c6c98765a5077f4e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wasn't blaming TV for the wall painting. My son has never watched TV. He tends to be the leader because he has an imagination, that they other kids don't seem to have. He is always exploring everything, and the rare times that they have had a TV on to show video's he has pretty much ignored it and played with other things will the rest of the kids sit and stare. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew > Personally I would not go blaming the TV. The TV is a tool, a fixture that > can be used and/or abused. > > Also, I do not think it was the TV that inspired the wall painting. My > brother and I colored one whole wall without any inspiration from the TV. > Not to mention the mud hand prints on the side of the neighbors house. Ooo > and then we discovered magic markers. > You can color and paint anything if you put your mind to it. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > Sorry but I have to get this off my chest. THIS IS WHY MY SON DOES NOT > WATCH TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I know what TV did to me from watching too much, and I am not putting my son > though the sort of pain I went through to get a life. Pull the plug, and > they will find something else too do. My biggest problem right now is the > fact that he is the Ringleader at his Preschool. His Teachers keep going on > about how Creative he is, after they explain how he moved the paint set to > the nice large white wall and showed the other kids how to paint it. I am > sure this not the last time I will be taking to a teacher. > > Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich > > "I don't suffer from insanity! I fact I rather enjoy it!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 21:37:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i571bKRM005576 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:37:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZSNX012761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZPkr078012; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZMkr077971 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 7DA545CC443; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0200.floodcity.net [198.93.211.200]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B775CC147 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:32:38 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Horror shows, I had nightmares while I was awake with them, and while I was asleep, I would wake up in total panic. I have way to much imagination for those things. I don't need to watch it, reading the news gives me the hebijebies sometimes. the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for sure. No new languages for me. I wish. spanish would be my choice if I could learn one. or hebrew, or scottish LOL I grew up on westerns. I filled my head with stories from the time I could read. it was escape for me. I wasted more than half my life with stories, the only ones I didn't watch were soaps. well, I better get down from my soap box now, the air is getting thin. LOL Cya, kitty Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > My two cents in this is: > When i was a child, my parents let me watch all i wanted in television. > This was good and bad. > I could not take the horror movies, > But i enjoyed the childrens programs. > Especially i watched Swedish children programmes, and it taught me the > language of swedish. > So i am glad my parents let me watch television. > > Bjarne > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 21:37:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i571bbRM005579 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:37:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZqNX012785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571Zqkr078231; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZNkr077994 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 8CF775CC147; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0200.floodcity.net [198.93.211.200]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E24A5CC14C for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C3C5B9.D60D3015@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:32:41 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright of pictures References: <001e01c44c10$1a8d44b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO all I can guess is that being a curator gives her more status, but I would ask her. Write her and tell her what you want to do and ask her how she got permission to do what she did and how you could get similar permissions to do the same on the internet. Emphasize that it is for education's sake. It might be that you would be required to invest in software to prevent anyone from being able to lift the photos, but it might not. all you can do is ask, ask and keep asking. the Bible says that the wicked judge did the right thing for the poor widow when he thought to himself "I'd better do it or she will wear me out with her begging." when it is a just cause, just keep begging. LOL Kitty Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I know this topic has ben disgussed again and again. > Yeat i have a little input in this. > When i was going to make the court dress for the museum, i did not realise > that copyrights was that difficult. The museum told me they borrowed the > portrait from the danish National Museum of Frederiksborg wich has nearly > all portraits in Denmark. When i told the museum that the making of the > dress demanded that i had to put it in progress of my website, they told me > that it might be difficult because of the copyrights. > Then again, i have seen on other costume websites numerous portraits. I dont > believe they (who posted pictures from books) has any rights to do > so.Anyway, they posted the pictures. > Katia Johansen wich is a curator from a danish museum called Rosenborg, is > travelling round all the country in Denmark and lecturing the styles of the > danish queens. > She uses pictures from the museums. > Now can any tell me what makes the difference in her doing this in public > and me doing it in public on the net? > Why has she more rights to do so, than me. We are both danish citisens, and > we both have this great herritage of Denmark. > > Bjarme who cant understand things :-( > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 21:38:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i571cuRM005589 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571cGNX012910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571cFkr079202; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZYkr078106 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 3BB175CC2D8; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0200.floodcity.net [198.93.211.200]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96E95CC00D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C3C5C0.D08B754F@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:32:48 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew References: <035501c44aca$615312e0$852da5d1@stephen> <2703.198.93.211.145.1086501935.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <200406061643.02443.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I guess what I am saying is that when I have the two older ones and I restrict them from TV they don't fight so much, they play together better, and whine less at me. I do have them underfoot more, and I have to ask them to go play more so they don't trip me. I have to help them think of how to fill their time for the first two or three days of no TV, then they start playing more, and whining less. They seem to enjoy each other more and the older one has more patience with her little sister, the younger one complains less. I feel that when I am very selective about what they watch and even limit acceptable viewing to very rarely, that the kids seem more like kids and not like zombies. I'm not criticizing anyone who was raised with TV, I am just saying that I see improvement in the behavior and relationships of the kids when I limit them from the TV. I feel that that might be translatable to other kids, too, but Of course it also depends on the kids and the atmosphere in the home, etc. Kitty Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:05 am, basyefelton@floodcity.net wrote: > > My personal experience with TV and kids is that it makes them whiny, > > unimaginative, over stimulated and over dependent on others to entertain > > them. I personally think no kid under the age of 8 should watch much of > > anything on TV, it seems to slow them developmentally, and I include > > barney and Sesame street in that catagory. > > Just to play devil's advocate for a bit.... > > When I was growing up (in the early 1960s, before Sesame Street even came > out), the TV in our house was on practically every hour somebody was up, and > my parents never made any attempt to restrict my viewing. At all. Yet I > began reading at 2 1/2 (and am an avid reader to this day, though while I was > growing up I did a lot of my reading while listening to the TV with one ear.) > > Now, I only use my TV for watching movie videos, and I've never had cable > service. > > I let my own kids watch them, > > but seeing how much better my grandkids behave when I don't let them turn > > it on, I repent with tears. LOL > > I was an unusually well-behaved child, too. Go figure. :-) > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > -Oscar Wilde > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 21:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i571fIRM005608 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:41:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571cANX012896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571c9kr079133; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571ZXkr078086 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id B470E5CC280; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0200.floodcity.net [198.93.211.200]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5285CC147 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C3C5BC.5DD6C4D5@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:32:44 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Kids and TV References: <00fc01c44c0f$77577fe0$336f6f6f@systemsfirm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh yes, I agree wholeheartedly. I had to face that fact in myself years ago. Sometimes I would cheerfully give the tv away, but it can be helpful at times. Anyway, my husband would waste away to nothing if he didn't have a TV. he is rabid about it. I just try to find something to do in another room most of the time, I get so tired of all the noise and shouting. (he likes confrontational tv) I think that sort of TV is particularly detrimental to relationships. Ivery rarely even watch movies anymore, they get so boring. I want to be doing something, not sitting around waiting to die. Kitty A.Thurman wrote: > I could argue successfully that the TV can do the same to adults, in spades! > > Allison T. (recreation tv viewer, but I don't LIVE in front of the box!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 21:42:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i571goRM005618 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571f3NX013065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571f2kr080507; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au [203.26.120.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i571cnkr079302 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i571cWOw022544 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:08:32 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb008.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.22]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i571cOnZ022362 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:08:28 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:08:23 +0930 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF12@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:08:04 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval underwear, coloured X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc: There was a discussion on the Authentic_SCA list a while back on braies and hose, which led into coloured underwear. Perhaps one of those messages has the information you are looking for? The discussion starts around message no. 44830 or so. Message 44838 has a long list of links to pics. HTH Rebecca Re. Message: 9 From: "Marc Carlson" Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Underwear article question Within the last month, I was reading an article regarding medieval underwear, and showing pictures that showed, among other things, a variety of colors. Unfortunately, I have since lost that part of my mind. Can anyone happen to tell me WHERE I was reading this? Marc the somewhat befuddled... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:02:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57322RM006071 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:02:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5731SNX016813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5731Rkr015424; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5731Pks015400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5736Gfc011121 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:06:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5736G1r011119 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:06:16 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:06:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <035501c44aca$615312e0$852da5d1@stephen> <200406061643.02443.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40C3C5C0.D08B754F@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <40C3C5C0.D08B754F@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406062306.16473.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: [snip] > I feel that when I am > very selective about what they watch and even limit acceptable viewing > to very rarely, that the kids seem more like kids and not like zombies. > I'm not criticizing anyone who was raised with TV, I am just saying that > I see improvement in the behavior and relationships of the kids when I > limit them from the TV. You may well be right, Kitty. My remarks weren't intended to criticize your decision to limit your children's viewing. I don't necessarily think I was a typical kid with regard to my reaction to television. My parents believed that I learned to read faster *because* I was exposed to so much television, but in retrospect I don't believe that, and I don't know of any proof either way on that issue. I do know what you mean about kids who watch lots of TV staring at the screen like zombies, and it disturbs me. I'm not sure what I'd do if I had children. Probably monitor their behavior, and impose limits if they spent too much time watching TV to the exclusion of doing other healthy and useful things. >I feel that that might be translatable to other > kids, too, but Of course it also depends on the kids and the atmosphere > in the home, etc. Agreed. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:04:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57344RM006093 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i572tsNX016564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i572tpkr012781; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i572tnks012760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5730efc011060 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:00:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5730eqj011058 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:00:40 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:00:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: [snip] > > the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and > Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for > sure. Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch Pixanne, and Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:06:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5736BRM006116 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:06:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5735aNX017082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:05:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5735Ukr017295; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:05:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5735Skr017228 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:05:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200406062205.AA27590762@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright of pictures X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I don't know about copyright law in Denmark, but one avenue to pursue is to find an out of copyright photo (yes, usually black and white and grainy) from an old book. While there is considerable debate as to whether or not a new photograph of a public domain painting is copyrightable (and no, not interested in that conversation again) there is no doubt that you are free to copy images from out of copyright books which is why I feel quite comfortable in putting the images from Elizabethan Pagentry online. Yes the originals are in museums, and the museums do sell licensing permissions for online publications but I used images from an old book out of copyright. Not as nice as modern reproductions, but one could always add a link to a museum website if they have an online gallery. An option for those of us who don't really want to pay fees for our hobby or deal with potential cease and desist letters. Lisa Sinervo ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kitty Felton Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:32:41 -0400 >all I can guess is that being a curator gives her more status, but I >would ask her. Write her and tell her what you want to do and ask her >how she got permission to do what she did and how you could get similar >permissions to do the same on the internet. Emphasize that it is for >education's sake. It might be that you would be required to invest in >software to prevent anyone from being able to lift the photos, but it >might not. all you can do is ask, ask and keep asking. the Bible says >that the wicked judge did the right thing for the poor widow when he >thought to himself "I'd better do it or she will wear me out with her >begging." when it is a just cause, just keep begging. >LOL Kitty > > >Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> I know this topic has ben disgussed again and again. >> Yeat i have a little input in this. >> When i was going to make the court dress for the museum, i did not realise >> that copyrights was that difficult. The museum told me they borrowed the >> portrait from the danish National Museum of Frederiksborg wich has nearly >> all portraits in Denmark. When i told the museum that the making of the >> dress demanded that i had to put it in progress of my website, they told me >> that it might be difficult because of the copyrights. >> Then again, i have seen on other costume websites numerous portraits. I dont >> believe they (who posted pictures from books) has any rights to do >> so.Anyway, they posted the pictures. >> Katia Johansen wich is a curator from a danish museum called Rosenborg, is >> travelling round all the country in Denmark and lecturing the styles of the >> danish queens. >> She uses pictures from the museums. >> Now can any tell me what makes the difference in her doing this in public >> and me doing it in public on the net? >> Why has she more rights to do so, than me. We are both danish citisens, and >> we both have this great herritage of Denmark. >> >> Bjarme who cant understand things :-( >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:08:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5738fRM006136 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5738BNX017279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5738Akr018431; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57388kr018425 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 0C4D15CC3DC; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0200.floodcity.net [198.93.211.200]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF99F5CC6AD for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C3DB76.128981C9@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:05:26 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net> <200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh I remember Gilligan's Island. did you know they're going to do a reality show about it? if I was more elegant I would apply to be Mrs. Howell, but we don't have that rich moneyed air. LOL Kitty Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > [snip] > > > > the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and > > Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for > > sure. > > Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) > > And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch Pixanne, and > Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > -Oscar Wilde > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i573MYRM006254 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:22:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573M3NX018059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573M2kr024467; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i573M0kr024456 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kendra@tweedlebop.com) Received: from unknown (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@69.106.229.230 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 03:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c44c3e$994d2670$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:22:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Photos from an event X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Greater Bay Area Costumers Guild put on an 18th century event on Saturday, called Travellers in Tuscany (we were Americans visiting a winery in Italy in the late 18th century). We had a tour, wine tasting, and lunch at a Sonoma (north of San Francisco) winery called Viansa Winery. I thought listmembers might enjoy seeing photos from the event; there were some fabulous gowns on display. The photos are at: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/tuscany/ You can see photos of my dress (1780s robe a l'anglaise) in these photos, as well as on my completed dress diary page: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/anglaise.html - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:25:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i573PKRM006269 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:25:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573OoNX018213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573Onkr025726; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573Olks025710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573Tcfc011258 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:29:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i573TcPl011256 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:29:38 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:29:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40C3DB76.128981C9@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <40C3DB76.128981C9@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406062329.38635.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 06 June 2004 11:05 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > Oh I remember Gilligan's Island. did you know they're going to do a > reality show about it? God, no! Won't somebody stop them, before they film again? :-) > if I was more elegant I would apply to be Mrs. > Howell, but we don't have that rich moneyed air. LOL Neither do I. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:35:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i573ZaRM006315 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:35:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573Z2NX018714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573Z1kr030065; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573Ywkr030006 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deforce@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA07540; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:37:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "paul Cooper" To: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" , "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:34:55 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: medieval underwear, coloured X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <40c3e25f.3a8c.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.125.128 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I to have questions reguarding colored underwear specifically in the fourteenth century. Of the sources I have found contradict the use of colored fabric for use as braies. One sources says that only whit or natural colored linnen was used. Others say the working class used colored fabric. I have tried to document this in pictures but they to vary. Maybe one of you experts out there could shed some light or color on this as it may be. Armand De Force ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 6 23:47:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i573ldRM006381 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:47:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573l9NX019294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573l6kr035307; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i573l4kr035286 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20nn.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.247] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXB6F-0004Aq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 20:47:03 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040606224201.022a0e20@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:46:45 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Request for assistance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, all - I am currently the Corresponding Secretary for the International Costumers' Guild, and I have received a request for assistance. I have included the request here, in hopes that someone may be able to help. Please respond to her directly if you have any information for her. Thanks in advance. Sandy Pettinger ICG Corresponding Secretary Attached message: >X-Sender: pamw17@hotmail.com >From: "Pamela Weiner" >Subject: spanish renaissance >Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:09:40 -0400 > >Hi, my name is Pamela Weiner and I am a theatre student at the University >of Maryland. For a project I am doing, I have to do a whole lot of >research about costuming during the Spanish Renaissance, specifically used >in the case of Fuente Ovejuna (or around the year 1612). I was wondering >if you all might have some information you could give me, or at least some >good starting points to look at. Thanks so much, > >Pam Weiner "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 00:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i574RQRM006781 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:27:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i574PSNX021279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i574P3kr051870; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au [203.26.120.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i574Owkr051771 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i574OpOw020397 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:54:51 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb008.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.22]) by adl0256.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i574OanU020171 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:54:38 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb008.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:54:29 +0930 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF14@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@net.indra.com'" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:54:16 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] medieval underwear (some coloured) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again: For Marc: I checked the AOTC site and there is more there, starting from message #3431, "Chauses and braies". Also, this site: http://www.randyasplund.com/browse/medieval/chausse1.html has one person's own research into basic braies, with a number of illustrations. This site has a section on braies/breeches - http://www.greydragon.org/library/underwear1.html. This one (http://www.bumply.com/Medieval/braies.htm) is for c.1265. HTH Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 00:57:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i574vQRM006926 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:57:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i574taNX022534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i574tXkr063913; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f3.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.53]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i574tVkr063876 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:55:26 -0700 Received: from 129.244.96.82 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 04:55:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.82] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:55:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 04:55:26.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5D95B40:01C44C4B] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Medieval Underwear article question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Cornelia Muncke" >Both the Age of the Cotehardie (atoc) at yahoogroups dot com and the Armour >archive list (www dot armourarchive dot org) have discussed this topic >extensively in the last month with lots of info, links etc. The thread is >called "Chausses and Braies". Maybe that's where you have read it? >From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" > >There was a discussion on the Authentic_SCA list a while back on braies and >hose, which led into coloured underwear. Perhaps one of those messages has >the information you are looking for? The discussion starts around message >no. 44830 or so. Message 44838 has a long list of links to pics. As much as I hate to say it, it's entirely possible that it was in one of these threads. Thank you - I'll go back and look. (I'm being so focused on writing lately that I'm losing track of everything else) Thank you all again. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 01:49:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i575nSRM007441 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:49:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i575laNX024797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i575lWkr084012; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i575lUkr084000 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from user-38lc28h.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.17] helo=stephen) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BXCyn-0002Vh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:47:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c44c52$4b0a1e00$110956d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002801c44bcc$3308c1c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <40C33778.7040204@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish courtdress Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:16:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff6072fd51e5db0328794c18db726b01db4a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jordana, I think you are thinking of Teddy, who use to be on the list. Teddy cross dress from time to time. Does lovely work and looks very convincing in it. The main reason that I have never attempted to cross dress, except that one time I did play the bearded lady at a Halloween party. Stephen The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. ~ Lynn Lavner ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A.Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish courtdress > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi Jordana. > > No i am not a cross dresser, i am a man. ;-.) I make the dress for a danish > > castle. They have a portrait of a lady, where i am trying to recreate the > > dress from the portrait. > > The castle is called Gammel Estrup (Old Estrup) and you can se it here: > > http://www.gammelestrup.dk/ > > On the 26th and 27th this month there will be a 1700 market there with a lot > > of craftsmen showing their trades. > > I will be fully dressed in 18th century attire and i shall demonstrate > > embroidery. > > > > Bjarne > Jordana Writes: > Ah, I have been wondering if i misrememberd what i had read previously, > or irf you did cross-dress (i gues i do somethines myself with pants and > such like) or if i was just totally confused! > > Jordana > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 03:38:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i577cCRM001546 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i577bjNX029239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i577bakr026486; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i577bWkr026460 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A57C5F9F6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040607003319.025ef9c8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 00:35:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish court dress in progress. In-Reply-To: <000e01c44bc3$81a38620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, As always it is looking lovely. I am not familiar with corset work as I would like to be. May I ask why there is cording on top of the tabs, as shown on the full sized photo? What is it used to help with? Kimiko At 02:40 PM 6/6/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hello, >I uploaded for you the mounting of the outer layer to the boned foundation >of the danish court dress. Here you can se the colour of taffeta i found for >the dress. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/estrup2.htm >This is a very tiresome and hard process to cover the boned foundation to >the outer cover. It is so hard for the finger muschles and it is very >difficult to sit with the heavy foundations all the time. > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 04:28:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i578StRM002392 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:28:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i578SHNX001131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i578SFkr044083; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i578SDkr044038 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4E2319171 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40C42719.6050407@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:28:09 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] R.P.Ryan Robe a la francaise pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am a bit frustrated. I made this pattern and I mesured over my corset and made size 12. If I look at the pattern mesurements I schould have used size 10. So size 12 schould be to big but it is to small!!!!!!!!! The fhirst ting I noticed that I don't have extra room in the back of the lining. The waist was to high and the sleeves to schort. But Yeasterday I made new pictures and it looks like the sleeves are at the wrong place on my schoulders. Now I am not sure if I can finish this dress in time :-( Has anyone else made this pattern and had the same problems? http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 04:37:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i578bjRM002497 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:37:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i578bCNX001451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i578bCkr047857; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i578bBkr047806 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:37:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f79.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.121]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 36D4E47FEA1 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:37:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001001c44c6a$a41b3f70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040607003319.025ef9c8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish court dress in progress. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:37:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kimiko, This is because both the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena and the coronation dress of Ulrika Eleonora has a silver cord there. These are court dresses. The tabs are not cut with the bodice but seperately, and the seam is covered with the cord. So i did the same to cover the seam. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish court dress in progress. > Bjarne, > > As always it is looking lovely. I am not familiar with corset work as I > would like to be. May I ask why there is cording on top of the tabs, as > shown on the full sized photo? What is it used to help with? > > Kimiko > > > At 02:40 PM 6/6/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >Hello, > >I uploaded for you the mounting of the outer layer to the boned foundation > >of the danish court dress. Here you can se the colour of taffeta i found for > >the dress. > >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/estrup2.htm > >This is a very tiresome and hard process to cover the boned foundation to > >the outer cover. It is so hard for the finger muschles and it is very > >difficult to sit with the heavy foundations all the time. > > > >Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 06:13:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57ADgRM003231 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:13:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57ACrNX005581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57ACokr082741; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i57ACmkr082704 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 9856 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 10:12:45 -0000 Received: from cts-san216120004211.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.211) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 10:12:45 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:13:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406070303.i57334kt016172@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Normal? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about when you're in a mundane crowd and shout, "Huzzah!"? Julie >> > What is it with this generation and video >> > games? >> >You know this hobby has started to affect your mind when (in a mundane location) you see a crowd of people staring at something, when you go over to find out what they're staring at >you see somebody dressed in historical costume (A lady from my SCA Barony wearing 16th century Venetian) and look straight past them still searching for what everybody is looking at. Now don't tell me that's 'normal' >Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 06:35:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57AZgRM003406 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57AZ5NX006519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57AZ4kr090673; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57AZ2kr090636 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352401B2516 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (userweb.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 10431-02 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B3181B24E4 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <066d01c44c7b$12d0f8f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net> <200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:34:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > [snip] > > > > the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and > > Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for > > sure. > > Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) Lamb Chop annoyed me, but I loved Captain Kangaroo. Anyone else remember Kimba The White Lion? And I was sooo excited when my parents finally decided I was old enough to stay up and watch the Carol Burnett show at ten o clock! Woo! (obligatory costuming notice..LOVED her version of Scarlett O'Hara's green velvet dress!) Dianne > > And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch Pixanne, and > Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > -Oscar Wilde > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 08:29:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57CTqRM004181 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57CSwNX011683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57CSmkr033020; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57CSjkr032952 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu) Received: from [192.168.0.34] ([212.235.113.108]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HYX0057WUNRZZ@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:28:40 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:29:00 +0300 From: Yehoshua ben Haim haLevi To: h-costume Message-id: <1086611340.12605.11.camel@DSL212-235-113-108.bb.netvision.net.il> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Man's shoe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK so I decided its time for me to get a pair of good period shoes to go with my doublets and such. Does anyone have pictures and sketches of Elizabethan shoes? I am planning to take the pictures to a shoe maker here in Jerusalem and see what he can come up with. We seem to have a lot of Shoe makers here in Israel. -- --Yehoshua ben Haim haLevi Senischal incipient Shire of Beit Aryeh MKA: Zachary Kessin Jerusalem Israel zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu +972 50 780 9717 +1 646 201 9507 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 09:51:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57DpXRM004745 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57DoqNX016023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Domkr070245; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Dolkr070229 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0301.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.47]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXKWT-00055d-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:50:45 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:51:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200406062329.38635.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For your information: from the American Association of University Professors' listserv-- > Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:32:04 -0400 > To: Multiple recipients of list aaup-general > Subject: FW: Professor wanted for GILLIGAN'S ISLAND Reality Show > > Please contact Craig Bland directly at 818-972-0997if you are > interested. > > > "GILLIGAN'S ISAND" - The Reality Series > > AHOY PROFESSORS! > Have you ever dreamed of being stranded on a deserted island with a > movie star? 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LOL > > Neither do I. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 10:27:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57ERiRM004899 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57EPuNX019004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:25:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57EPrkr092104; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f33.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57EPpkr092011 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:25:46 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:25:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:25:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 14:25:46.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[52B015D0:01C44C9B] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:medieval underwear, coloured X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "paul Cooper" >I to have questions reguarding colored underwear specifically in the >fourteenth >century. Of the sources I have found contradict the use of colored fabric >for >use as braies. One sources says that only whit or natural colored linnen >was >used. Others say the working class used colored fabric. I have tried to >document >this in pictures but they to vary. Maybe one of you experts out there >could >shed some light or color on this as it may be. This is one of -those- topics where if anyone tells you that "they" definitively did one thing or another, look very skeptical. There are no known examples, few pictures – in fact, people don’t even call them by the same name (I refer to them as Breeches since the Middle English term for them is Breches; Braies seems to be the popular term for them today – don’t ask me where it derives from, I don’t know. I think it’s French). What little I do have on them is at http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/trousers/breechesindex.htm (although this morning it’s displaying oddly). I’ll eventually get around to hooking it into my clothing pages when I’m happy with the pictures identification. It is generally assumed that these were of unbleached linen. Since these are among the garments that would usually see the most wear and washing – it’s also plausible that they might have used other (old, used) material as well. This could lead to the existence of colored breeches in the pictures. It is interesting to note that shoes and body garments like breeches and shirts are not mentioned in any of the estate inventories I’ve ever seen. ============== >From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" > >For Marc: I checked the AOTC site and there is more there, starting from >message #3431, "Chauses and braies". >Also, this site: http://www.randyasplund.com/browse/medieval/chausse1.html >has one person's own research into basic braies, with a number of >illustrations. This site has a section on braies/breeches - >http://www.greydragon.org/library/underwear1.html. >This one (http://www.bumply.com/Medieval/braies.htm) is for c.1265. Thank you, I appreciate it. Marc _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 10:43:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57EhpRM004999 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:43:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57EfrNX020502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Efokr003434; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Efmks003413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-82.sonic.net [209.148.112.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i57Efl3P019979 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:41:47 -0700 Message-ID: <40C47FC7.7070204@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:46:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright of pictures References: <200406062205.AA27590762@thrednedlestrete.com> In-Reply-To: <200406062205.AA27590762@thrednedlestrete.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >but one avenue to pursue is to find an out of copyright photo (yes, usually black and white and grainy) from an old book. > Each photo (and other illustration) has its own copyright. It may have been licensed (but not bought outright) from another source. The copyright date and ownership of the photo is not necessarily the same as the copyright date and ownership of the book, nor that of other photos in the book. This is particularly true of the type of art and costume books that show many "pictures of great works" from different collections. The photo's own status and ownership must be verified. > While there is considerable debate as to whether or not a new photograph of a public domain painting is copyrightable (and no, not interested in that conversation again) > Based on exactly one district court case in New York. The Bridgeman case has received considerable publicity, but it does not guarantee that other people using new photos of public domain photos will not be sued--successfully. And, a US court case has no application whatever to works that have been copyrighted in other countries. Each country has its own copyright laws. The US does not determine or dictate copyright laws for any other country. A work is copyrighted in the country where its copyright has been registered, under that country's laws. Most countries have agreed to respect each other's copyright laws, and all the laws are somewhat different. If you are in the US and you want to use a photo or other work copyrighted in Denmark, you must use it according to _Danish_ copyright law. If the work would be in the public domain if it had been published in the US but is not in the public domain in Denmark, you cannot use it without permission from the Danish copyright owner. Photos of works in a foreign museum may well have been taken in that country and copyrighted under its laws. >An option for those of us who don't really want to pay fees for our hobby or deal with potential cease and desist letters. > > Pursuit of copyright violation can go a lot further than that, and may entail considerably more inconvenience and expense than "dealing with" a cease and desist letter. Fran > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57FDMRM005494 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:13:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FCRNX023469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FCNkr025266; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FCLkr025174 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200406071012.AA76349560@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyright photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >but one avenue to pursue is to find an out of copyright photo (yes, usually black and white and grainy) from an old book. > Fran wrote: eacch photo (and other illustration) has its own copyright. It may have been licensed (but not bought outright) from another source. The copyright date and ownership of the photo is not necessarily the same as the copyright date and ownership of the book, nor that of other photos in the book. This is particularly true of the type of art and costume books that show many "pictures of great works" from different collections. The photo's own status and ownership must be verified. I reply: The publication date of the photo for copyright purposes, is either earlier than the relevant copyright date of the book, or exactly the same or it would not be accessible to the publisher for inclusion, thus the copyright on the photo would expire on or before the date the book falls out of copyright..... except of course in those situations where time bends over itself and we enter other dimensions :-) Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:25:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57FPjRM005539 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FP0NX024751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FOukr034755; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i57FOqkr034676 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8362 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 15:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 15:25:06 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1195.24.4.69.40.1086621889.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <1086611340.12605.11.camel@DSL212-235-113-108.bb.netvision.net.il> References: <1086611340.12605.11.camel@DSL212-235-113-108.bb.netvision.net.il> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Man's shoe From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > OK so I decided its time for me to get a pair of good period shoes to go > with my doublets and such. Does anyone have pictures and sketches of > Elizabethan shoes? I am planning to take the pictures to a shoe maker > here in Jerusalem and see what he can come up with. We seem to have a > lot of Shoe makers here in Israel. > What class of shoe are you looking for? I have a picture of a sailor's shoe from the wreckage of the Mary Rose which was sunk during Henry VIII's reign. But it is not a nobleman's shoe. There is also a book called "Shoes and Pattens" which has information about English shoes from actual sources. But it may not include shoes as late as Elizabethan. There are also some great portraits out there that show a full view of men in doublets that you could get an idea about the nobleman's shoe. Look up people like Dudley, Sidney, Darnley etc. And many of them might be online. I am sorry that I don't have time to give you some images, but maybe others on the list can help with that. Good luck! Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:32:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57FWKRM005564 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FVgNX025392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FVXkr039966; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FVRkr039853 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.d5.e9dde62 (4426) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:31:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/7/2004 11:13:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com writes: The publication date of the photo for copyright purposes, is either earlier than the relevant copyright date of the book, or exactly the same or it would not be accessible to the publisher for inclusion, thus the copyright on the photo would expire on or before the date the book falls out of copyright..... except of course in those situations where time bends over itself and we enter other dimensions :-) Well, I think it would be possible for the owner of the photo to have renewed its copyright, whereas the copyright of the book itself may not have been renewed. I grant you, that is probably a very rare circumstance, but it COULD happen. So, even if said book is in the public domain, the photograph might not be. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:38:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57FcbRM005619 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FacNX025872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Faakr043986; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80503.mail.yahoo.com (web80503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i57FaQkr043795 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dme_maud@pacbell.net) Message-ID: <20040607153621.91297.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.104.228.236] by web80503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:36:21 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406071036.i57AaRks091277@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kids & TV X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (obligatory > costuming notice..LOVED her version of Scarlett > O'Hara's green velvet > dress!) Just by chance, the grandmother of one of my childhood friends was a seamstress in Bob Mackie's shop and she built all those costumes (and the evening gowns) that were worn on the Carol Burnett show (she also built a lot of stuff for Las Vegas shows). She used to bring bags of scraps home from work so we could make clothes for our Barbie dolls. My mom still has some of those doll clothes and I am amazed at the fabrics we used--all silks and other luxury fabrics. We had very well-dressed Barbies! Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57Fh5RM005636 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:43:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FevNX026339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fetkr047510; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fcikr045293 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 83BD45CC796; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0564.floodcity.net [198.93.213.56]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DF45CC84C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C48B5E.A320469C@floodcity.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:35:58 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net> <200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com> <066d01c44c7b$12d0f8f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO well, I have to admit, I came into lambchop late and yes I did find it annoying. just about as annoying as Barney or Mister Rogers is now. but I never seemed to get tired of Captain Kangaroo, I bet I watched it til I was 10. And I so loved Carol Burnett, and Sonny and Cher when I could catch it. the costumes were only the half of it. LOL Kitty Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > > > On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and > > > Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for > > > sure. > > > > Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) > > Lamb Chop annoyed me, but I loved Captain Kangaroo. Anyone else remember > Kimba The White Lion? > > And I was sooo excited when my parents finally decided I was old enough to > stay up and watch the Carol Burnett show at ten o clock! Woo! (obligatory > costuming notice..LOVED her version of Scarlett O'Hara's green velvet > dress!) > > Dianne > > > > And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch Pixanne, > and > > Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. > > > > > > -- > > Cathy Raymond > > > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > > -Oscar Wilde > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:47:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57FlYRM005649 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:47:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FjmNX026887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fjmkr051279; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fjkkr051191 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:45:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200406071045.AA80150648@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright photos X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am only talking about the copyright expiration for books due to age, not by failing post correct copyright notices etc, as of course a books contents could fall out of copyright do to a lack of notice but the photos could still be protected. But in the instance of a book going into the public domain due to its age, then the photos would also have thier copyright expire. I'm really only trying to be helpful in finding ways to document garment construction. I have hope that as the years pass more and more quality reproductions will be available to us. On the other hand, many museums are putting their collections on line so a link to their sites also serve well. I'll all for supporting museums. Lisa ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: AnnBWass@aol.com Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:31:12 EDT >In a message dated 6/7/2004 11:13:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, >Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com writes: >The publication date of the photo for copyright purposes, is either earlier >than the relevant copyright date of the book, or exactly the same or it would >not be accessible to the publisher for inclusion, thus the copyright on the >photo would expire on or before the date the book falls out of copyright..... >except of course in those situations where time bends over itself and we enter >other dimensions :-) >Well, I think it would be possible for the owner of the photo to have renewed >its copyright, whereas the copyright of the book itself may not have been >renewed. I grant you, that is probably a very rare circumstance, but it COULD >happen. So, even if said book is in the public domain, the photograph might not >be. >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 11:49:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57Fn2RM005665 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FlxNX027069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Flvkr052857; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57FlYkr052507 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-135-62.client.comcast.net [24.21.135.62]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i57FlRk10313 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:47:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:51:14 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <40C48B5E.A320469C@floodcity.net> Message-Id: <81AF06CC-B89A-11D8-876F-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bob Mackie: was Kids and TV X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OOhhh Bob Mackie! He and Carol Burnett and Cher are responsible for my love of costume design and shiny objects. :D One of the first books related to dress I ever bought was a book on Bob Mackie. *sigh* I envy your barbie dolls. lol Althea On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 08:35 AM, Kitty Felton wrote: > well, I have to admit, I came into lambchop late and yes I did find it > annoying. just about as annoying as Barney or Mister Rogers is now. > but I never seemed to get tired of Captain Kangaroo, I bet I watched it > til I was 10. And I so loved Carol Burnett, and Sonny and Cher when I > could catch it. the costumes were only the half of it. LOL Kitty > > Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV >> >>> On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: >>> [snip] >>>> >>>> the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and >>>> Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for >>>> sure. >>> >>> Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) >> >> Lamb Chop annoyed me, but I loved Captain Kangaroo. Anyone else >> remember >> Kimba The White Lion? >> >> And I was sooo excited when my parents finally decided I was old >> enough to >> stay up and watch the Carol Burnett show at ten o clock! Woo! >> (obligatory >> costuming notice..LOVED her version of Scarlett O'Hara's green velvet >> dress!) >> >> Dianne >>> >>> And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch >>> Pixanne, >> and >>> Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cathy Raymond >>> >>> "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." >>> -Oscar Wilde >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Public Relations Manager Sauron/Voldemort 2004 Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 12:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57G11RM005732 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:01:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57G0ANX028414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57G06kr062869; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57G01ks062767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-82.sonic.net [209.148.112.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i57Fxwqo007016 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:59:59 -0700 Message-ID: <40C4921A.7090509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:04:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright photos References: <200406071012.AA76349560@thrednedlestrete.com> In-Reply-To: <200406071012.AA76349560@thrednedlestrete.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is not necesarily true that because the text of a book is in the public domain, that illustrations or other elements in it that have different copyright owners are in the public domain. The public domain status of some older US copyrights depends on whether and when the copyright has been renewed. Also, US coporate/organizational copyrights have different expiration dates than ones by indivudual authors. Thus the copyright status of text, illustrations, and other elements belonging to different copyright owners may be different. Also, as I mentioned, if licensed illustrations or other elements are copyrighted under foreign copyright laws, the date and conditions under which they pass into the public domain are different from under US law. Note that the modern US and foreign laws do not necessarily apply to works copyrighted under older laws. Also, if a copyrighted is registered in two or more countries on the publication of the work, the longest copyright duration is the one that now applies. Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com > >I reply: The publication date of the photo for copyright purposes, is either earlier than the relevant copyright date of the book, or exactly the same or it would not be accessible to the publisher for inclusion, thus the copyright on the photo would expire on or before the date the book falls out of copyright..... except of course in those situations where time bends over itself and we enter other dimensions :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 12:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57G3xRM005748 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57G3PNX028779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57G3Nkr065517; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57G2Sks064798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-82.sonic.net [209.148.112.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i57G2OVF011398 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:25 -0700 Message-ID: <40C492AC.7040105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:07:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright photos References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not that rare. For one thing, it's not uncommon for an author to ask another author for use of photos, tables, text, or other elements that first appeared in the other author's book. Fran >Well, I think it would be possible for the owner of the photo to have renewed >its copyright, whereas the copyright of the book itself may not have been >renewed. I grant you, that is probably a very rare circumstance, but it COULD >happen. So, even if said book is in the public domain, the photograph might not >be. >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 12:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57Gt6RM005985 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:55:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fp9NX027475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fp7kr055578; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav45.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Fp4kr055446 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:50:58 -0700 Received: from 166.102.108.39 by bay1-dav45.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:50:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.108.39] X-Originating-Email: [wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com From: "Bice" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net><200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com><066d01c44c7b$12d0f8f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <40C48B5E.A320469C@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:51:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 15:50:58.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A003CC0:01C44CA7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *hums this is the song that never ends* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty Felton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > well, I have to admit, I came into lambchop late and yes I did find it > annoying. just about as annoying as Barney or Mister Rogers is now. > but I never seemed to get tired of Captain Kangaroo, I bet I watched it > til I was 10. And I so loved Carol Burnett, and Sonny and Cher when I > could catch it. the costumes were only the half of it. LOL Kitty > > Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > > > > > On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and > > > > Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for > > > > sure. > > > > > > Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) > > > > Lamb Chop annoyed me, but I loved Captain Kangaroo. Anyone else remember > > Kimba The White Lion? > > > > And I was sooo excited when my parents finally decided I was old enough to > > stay up and watch the Carol Burnett show at ten o clock! Woo! (obligatory > > costuming notice..LOVED her version of Scarlett O'Hara's green velvet > > dress!) > > > > Dianne > > > > > > And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch Pixanne, > > and > > > Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cathy Raymond > > > > > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > > > -Oscar Wilde > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 13:17:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57HHHRM006176 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:17:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HGjNX006670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HGekr023841; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50707.mail.yahoo.com (web50707.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.105]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i57HGckr023754 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040607171633.30238.qmail@web50707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.102] by web50707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:16:32 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:16:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ...OOH Bice, you are an EVIL woman. Now that song, like the one my son was singing this morning from SchoolHouse Rock are doing a round in my head. Electricity... and that song DO NOT go well. Obligatory costume note. The first of my two wedding ceremonies was last Saturday. I wore the GFD made from the silk velvet my brother gave me and the wool sideless with Robin's wool and pattern-I got the spangles and fur on it just in time. Molly wore a new Elizabethan which she had put lots of beautiful roses on it (she's my maid of honor). Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat (pictures will be posted at a website soon) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 13:24:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57HOlRM006284 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:24:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HLeNX007169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HLbkr027487; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f31.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HLYkr027383 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:21:28 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:21:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:21:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 17:21:28.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE867FF0:01C44CB3] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Elizabethan Man's shoe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Diana Habra" > > OK so I decided its time for me to get a pair of good period shoes to go > > with my doublets and such. Does anyone have pictures and sketches of > > Elizabethan shoes? I am planning to take the pictures to a shoe maker > > here in Jerusalem and see what he can come up with. We seem to have a > > lot of Shoe makers here in Israel. >What class of shoe are you looking for? I have a picture of a sailor's >shoe from the wreckage of the Mary Rose which was sunk during Henry VIII's >reign. But it is not a nobleman's shoe. Ah, but it closely resembles a nobleman's shoe of the Elizabethan period (the nobleman's shoe would be of fancier materials and not made as a turn shoe). >There is also a book called "Shoes and Pattens" which has information >about English shoes from actual sources. But it may not include shoes as >late as Elizabethan. It doesn't :) Actually, I have a question that's been nagging at me for quite some time. If there are traditional hand work shoemakers in Israel, my assumption is that they'd use needles instead of boar bristles - is this correct? (I know it sounds stupid, but I have several sources who are just convinced that if it's not made with bristles, it's not a real shoe). Marc Marc _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 13:26:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57HQVRM006292 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:26:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HPpNX007683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HPokr030652; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav70.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HPikr030546 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:25:41 -0700 Received: from 166.102.108.39 by bay1-dav70.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:25:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.108.39] X-Originating-Email: [wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com From: "Bice" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040607171633.30238.qmail@web50707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:25:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2004 17:25:41.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[754A3BC0:01C44CB4] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Also do not forget "the ants go marching one by one h urrah hurrah" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > ...OOH Bice, you are an EVIL woman. > > Now that song, like the one my son was singing this > morning from SchoolHouse Rock are doing a round in my > head. > > Electricity... and that song DO NOT go well. > > Obligatory costume note. The first of my two wedding > ceremonies was last Saturday. I wore the GFD made > from the silk velvet my brother gave me and the wool > sideless with Robin's wool and pattern-I got the > spangles and fur on it just in time. Molly wore a new > Elizabethan which she had put lots of beautiful roses > on it (she's my maid of honor). > > Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat > (pictures will be posted at a website soon) > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 13:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57HctRM006379 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:38:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HcINX009095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HcFkr041321; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ca-exchange.ca.int (mail.yourcall.com [65.172.194.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57HcEkr041267 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tish.peavy@yourcall.com) Message-ID: <29E5D3F4A506A44D925FDB984E24C26102358016@mail.yourcall.com> From: "Peavy, Tish" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:38:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: reenactors in Alabama X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm sorry for the off-topic (well, sort of) post. I was wondering if there are any reenactors on this list from Alabama, specifically in the central part of the state. If there are, could you please email me off list? I am looking for a group to become involved in. I know it would probably be just as easy to look on the net, but I don't have access until I get home from work and I will probably have forgotten about it by then. Anyway, thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide. Tish in AL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 14:39:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57IdeRM006612 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:39:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57IcxNX015049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Ichkr094052; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51109.mail.yahoo.com (web51109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.130]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i57Icdkr093907 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040607183833.94188.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:38:33 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish courtdress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000201c44c52$4b0a1e00$110956d1@stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Stephen > > The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals > and 362 admonishments to > heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't > love heterosexuals. It's > just that they need more supervision. ~ Lynn Lavner > Stephen, I love your sign off...it's the first real laugh I've had today! I hope you (nor Lynn Lavner) don't mind me shareing it with others. It's great. I'm a newbie, in fact, yours is only the 4th e-mail i've read, and lots more to go..... Anne ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 14:50:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57IoVRM006657 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:50:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57ImWNX015923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57ImTkr001298; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:48:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57ImQkr001237 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fdc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.220]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 67EDA5EE07E for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:48:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00d301c44cc0$0dddad80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:48:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stevens sign off. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals > and 362 admonishments to > heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't > love heterosexuals. It's > just that they need more supervision. ~ Lynn Lavner Dear Steven, I loved this citation as well! Bless you! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 14:54:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57IspRM006675 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:54:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Ir3NX016478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Ir2kr004771; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Ir1kr004672 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1106324 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:52:55 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:52:55 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] Signoffs (Was danish courtdress) From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040607183833.94188.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anne, I love Stephens tag also. Your signoff is lovely. Who is your quote from? A book, poem, song? LynnD On 6/7/04 11:38 AM, "Cheri Merideth" wrote: >> Stephen >> >> The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals >> and 362 admonishments to >> heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't >> love heterosexuals. It's >> just that they need more supervision. ~ Lynn Lavner >> > > Stephen, > > I love your sign off...it's the first real laugh I've > had today! I hope you (nor Lynn Lavner) don't mind me > shareing it with others. It's great. > > I'm a newbie, in fact, yours is only the 4th e-mail > i've read, and lots more to go..... > > Anne > > > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 14:59:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57IxjRM006688 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:59:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Ix3NX017043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57Iwukr009080; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57IuUkr007018 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fdc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.220]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 142AC5EE0B5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:56:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00d901c44cc1$2de555a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:56:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyrights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for all your inputs. If it only is a matter of payment to be allowed to post a picture on the net, i would not mind. So i should try to contakt both the museum who owns the portrait, and the photographer who took the picture for the book? At Rosenborg you pay a fee to photograph there. But i asume that it dont give you right to post your pictures to the net? The portrait wich i am making the dress of, is send to the danish National Museums restauration department this moment, so i will not have any chance to make my own picture of it. This could have saved me a fee to the photographer, if i used my own picture. The portrait is going to be a part of a new excibition at the danish National Museum this fall about danish country nobility life wich opens this fall. I have an old black and white photo of the portrait from a book from the 30ies, but it is so bad and poor comparing to the new colour photo. I would be interrested to post the picture about 3 months time. Thanks for your inputs, ill contakt the museum tomorrow. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 15:55:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57Jt1RM006908 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:55:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57JsBNX022421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57JrnQg050252; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i57JrlQg050167 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:53:28 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:53:28 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Man's shoe X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I would suggest looking at the full-length portraits by Gheeraerts, or if you don't mind them from the early 1600s, William Larkin. You might also want to try contacting the Bata Shoe Museum in Toronto http://www.batashoemuseum.ca There are also pictures of shoe's in Arnold's Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd but I believe they are all women's. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >OK so I decided its time for me to get a pair of good period shoes to go >with my doublets and such. Does anyone have pictures and sketches of >Elizabethan shoes? I am planning to take the pictures to a shoe maker >here in Jerusalem and see what he can come up with. We seem to have a >lot of Shoe makers here in Israel. > >-- >--Yehoshua ben Haim haLevi >Senischal incipient Shire of Beit Aryeh >MKA: Zachary Kessin Jerusalem Israel >zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu +972 50 780 9717 +1 646 201 9507 > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 16:48:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57KmERM007204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57KlMNX027849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57KlIQg091140; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (ip250.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57KlFQh091069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63C0DBD12 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D48BBDBC33 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c44cd0$98c6a400$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c44c10$8ebe7250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><40C3C5B6.3E4D6CF9@floodcity.net><200406062300.39849.cathy@thyrsus.com><066d01c44c7b$12d0f8f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6><40C48B5E.A320469C@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:47:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO with a rum tum taddle um old John Braddlelum.. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bice" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > *hums this is the song that never ends* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty Felton" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > > > > well, I have to admit, I came into lambchop late and yes I did find it > > annoying. just about as annoying as Barney or Mister Rogers is now. > > but I never seemed to get tired of Captain Kangaroo, I bet I watched it > > til I was 10. And I so loved Carol Burnett, and Sonny and Cher when I > > could catch it. the costumes were only the half of it. LOL Kitty > > > > Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > > > To: "Historical Costume" > > > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV > > > > > > > On Sunday 06 June 2004 09:32 pm, Kitty Felton wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > the only children's shows I got to watch were Captain Kangaroo, and > > > > > Sharie Lewis and lamb Chop (a puppet show) so I am dating myself for > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > > Then you're the same vintage as me. I watched those shows, too. :-) > > > > > > Lamb Chop annoyed me, but I loved Captain Kangaroo. Anyone else remember > > > Kimba The White Lion? > > > > > > And I was sooo excited when my parents finally decided I was old enough > to > > > stay up and watch the Carol Burnett show at ten o clock! Woo! > (obligatory > > > costuming notice..LOVED her version of Scarlett O'Hara's green velvet > > > dress!) > > > > > > Dianne > > > > > > > > And since my parents didn't limit my viewing, I also got to watch > Pixanne, > > > and > > > > Sally Starr, and Gilligan's Island, and bunches of other stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cathy Raymond > > > > > > > > "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." > > > > -Oscar Wilde > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > h-costume mailing list > > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 17:08:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57L80RM007339 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57L5YNX029805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57L5UQg005151; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57L5SQg005022 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BXRIz-0003ol-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:05:18 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:04:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? References: <200406070303.i57334kt016172@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of my friends always used to say "When you lift your skirt to go up stairs - and you're wearing a mini-skirt!" Jean Julie wrote > How about when you're in a mundane crowd and shout, "Huzzah!"? >Julie > >>> > What is it with this generation and video >>> > games? >>> >>You know this hobby has started to affect your mind when (in a mundane >location) you see a crowd of people staring at something, when you go over >to find out what they're staring at >you see somebody dressed in historical >costume (A lady from my SCA Barony wearing 16th century Venetian) and look >straight past them still searching for what everybody is looking at. Now >don't tell me that's 'normal' >>Elizabeth >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 17:21:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57LLmRM007401 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:21:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57LIkNX001534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57LIhQg015063; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57LIdQg015005 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BXRVu-0004x7-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:18:39 +0100 Message-ID: <9J9pUqFPtNxAJwcu@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:17:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com> <1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com> <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kitty Felton wrote >Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >> >> >> On the other hand, the worsted suits I own tend to be water-repellent and >> stain-resistant, which automatically makes cleaning less of an issue. > > >LOL, OH yeah, right, I was going to say that. teehee. > > > >> (Though I am sure many list members will post to advise you that they have >> washed wool with impunity.) >> > > but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with >formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? > >Kitty > I wash our wool garments by hand, in lukewarm water, and have never had any significant problems. Of course, these are relatively early-period (12th-14th century) items, and not fine fabrics with patterns or special weaves, so if they get a bit more fluffy it doesn't matter. But (touch wood!) I don't remember every having anything shrink. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 17:29:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57LTlRM007425 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:29:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57LT9NX002543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57LT6Qg022809; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:29:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57LT4Qg022782 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04465CC6B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040607142554.02573678@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:28:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Man's shoe In-Reply-To: <1086611340.12605.11.camel@DSL212-235-113-108.bb.netvision. net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:29 PM 6/7/2004 +0300, you wrote: >OK so I decided its time for me to get a pair of good period shoes to go >with my doublets and such. Does anyone have pictures and sketches of >Elizabethan shoes? I am planning to take the pictures to a shoe maker >here in Jerusalem and see what he can come up with. We seem to have a >lot of Shoe makers here in Israel. > >-- >--Yehoshua ben Haim haLevi >Senischal incipient Shire of Beit Aryeh >MKA: Zachary Kessin Jerusalem Israel Hiya, I just got a book from Lacis in Berkeley that would fit your description. ROYAL & HISTORIC GLOVES & SHOES, W. B. Redfern Gloves and shoes viewed from a historical perspective from medieval times, where their main function was as an ornamental accessory of church and state. A reproduction of the original 1904 edition. ISBN 1-891656-51-1. 219pgs (p) (LH23) $34.00 You may be able to find the original or the copy in a library somewhere, or if you want to order it, the book can be found at www.lacis.com. I bought it mainly for the gloves, but the photos of the shoes are decent, if only in B&W for the most part. There are photos and in some cases watercolor images (rendered in B&W, unfortunately) taken from actual shoes found in England for the most part and either in museums or in private collections. The author does have a few shoes from Henry VIII and Elizabeth, and has both men's and women's shoes. hth, Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 18:17:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i57MHrRM007805 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:17:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57MFsNX007442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57MFnQg058009; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i57MFHQg057558 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from philnstine@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net (223.newark-39-40rs.nj.dial-access.att.net[12.75.193.223]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <20040607221510111008q0see>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:15:10 +0000 Message-ID: <40C4E8EE.9060400@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:15:10 -0400 From: Justine Magill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? References: <200406070303.i57334kt016172@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or shout "Hold!!!" in the middle of a business meeting.... My friend has done that... And it worked too! LOL Jenne Jean Waddie wrote: > One of my friends always used to say "When you lift your skirt to go > up stairs - and you're wearing a mini-skirt!" > > Jean > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 21:12:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i581BxRM008325 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:11:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5819dNX029251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5819TQg059577; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5819QQg059513 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.157.36fc4c75 (4196) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <157.36fc4c75.2df66bbb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:09:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/7/04 5:16:37 PM Central Daylight Time, philnstine@worldnet.att.net writes: Or shout "Hold!!!" in the middle of a business meeting.... My friend has done that... And it worked too! LOL Jenne And on a related or similar note, how about when you're having an actual face to face conversation with someone, they say something amusing, and you actually open your mouth and say, "LOL!" ::I wish I was kidding:: -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 22:15:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i582FuRM008869 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:15:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i582C8NX003629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i582C5Qg092681; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay99-f13.bay99.hotmail.com [65.54.175.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i582C2Qg092622 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:10:16 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.229 by by99fd.bay99.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 02:10:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: reenactors in Alabama Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 02:10:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 02:10:16.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDC074C0:01C44CFD] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tish, what kind of group? ...here is the SCA and there are the Civil war guys. I am in Birmingham. Where are you? I am a Scadian. LadyWilhelmina of Barony of Iron Mountain and ClanConfused >From: "Peavy, Tish" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Subject: [h-cost] OT: reenactors in Alabama >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:38:04 -0500 > >I'm sorry for the off-topic (well, sort of) post. I was wondering if there >are any reenactors on this list from Alabama, specifically in the central >part of the state. If there are, could you please email me off list? I am >looking for a group to become involved in. I know it would probably be >just as easy to look on the net, but I don't have access until I get home >from work and I will probably have forgotten about it by then. Anyway, >thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide. > >Tish in AL >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 23:26:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i583QkRM009119 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:26:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583Q8NX008164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583Q5Qg028336; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i583Q3Qg028285 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:25:50 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:25:50 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My personal favourite happened to lady who was in my Naval unit as well as being in the SCA - she curtsied instead of saluting an officer on parade. Luckily he was so bemused that she didn't get in any trouble over it... Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- > How about when you're in a mundane crowd and shout, "Huzzah!"? >Julie > >>> > What is it with this generation and video >>> > games? >>> >>You know this hobby has started to affect your mind when (in a mundane >location) you see a crowd of people staring at something, when you go over >to find out what they're staring at >you see somebody dressed in historical >costume (A lady from my SCA Barony wearing 16th century Venetian) and look >straight past them still searching for what everybody is looking at. Now >don't tell me that's 'normal' >>Elizabeth >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 23:37:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i583bPRM009149 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:37:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583asNX008877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583apQg033578; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583amQg033544 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20nn.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.247] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXXPs-0001Sk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:36:48 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040607155923.021db1a0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:03:32 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200406061800.i56I0rks085975@net.indra.com> References: <200406061800.i56I0rks085975@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kids and TV X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 02:05:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Teaching others how to sew > >My personal experience with TV and kids is that it makes them whiny, >unimaginative, over stimulated and over dependent on others to entertain >them. I personally think no kid under the age of 8 should watch much of >anything on TV, it seems to slow them developmentally, and I include >barney and Sesame street in that catagory. I let my own kids watch them, >but seeing how much better my grandkids behave when I don't let them turn >it on, I repent with tears. LOL > >Kitty On the other hand, I and my siblings were raised with a lot of TV. We often did homework with it on. I read voraciously, sew, and dabble with other art. My siblings have similar experiences. None of us were whinny or had any trouble entertaining ourselves. My nephews have similar experiences. The eldest is working on his last few merit badges for Eagle Scout at the age of 14. I believe it all depends on the child. Some have problems with it and others don't. Pierre > > Personally I would not go blaming the TV. The TV is a tool, a fixture > > that can be used and/or abused. > > > > Also, I do not think it was the TV that inspired the wall painting. My > > brother and I colored one whole wall without any inspiration from the > > TV. Not to mention the mud hand prints on the side of the neighbors > > house. Ooo and then we discovered magic markers. > > You can color and paint anything if you put your mind to it. :) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sorry but I have to get this off my chest. THIS IS WHY MY SON DOES NOT > > WATCH TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > I know what TV did to me from watching too much, and I am not putting my > > son though the sort of pain I went through to get a life. Pull the > > plug, and they will find something else too do. My biggest problem "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 7 23:54:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i583s6RM009179 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:54:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583raNX009808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i583rYQg041445; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51103.mail.yahoo.com (web51103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.145]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i583rWQg041377 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608035327.91578.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:53:27 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Signoffs (Was danish courtdress) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Lynn Downward wrote: > Anne, I love Stephens tag also. Your signoff is > lovely. Who is your quote > from? A book, poem, song? > LynnD Lynn, Thank you. To think you thought someone "skilled" wrote it. :) I wrote that. My 16 year old son was killed 7 years ago and that is where it came from. Anne ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 02:16:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i586GuRM016167 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i586FBNX016935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i586EwQg003829; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i586EuQg003739 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004060806144601500mftjse>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:14:46 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Shrek II Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:16:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ok it wasn't just me. If it wasn't this one it was very similar. Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Shrek II Did anyone else notice? In Fiona's parents' castle, in the background, twice, I saw a portrait that looked suspiciously like this: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/clouet/francois/queen_el.jpg Of course, they made it huge in the movie, I saw it in the Louvre and it's only 36 x 26 cm. Can someone confirm this? Was I just wishing to see it? It's like seeing the Lady with the Unicorn (the 5 senses) tapestries in Gryffindor's common room in Harry Potter! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 05:26:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i589QxRM003870 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i589QNNX025645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i589QDQg085673; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i589QAQg085608 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i589QAQg085608 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sark? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe account from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers (calsons) two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin head-dress)." /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 05:48:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i589mJRM003963 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:48:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i589kWNX026628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i589kUQg094007; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i589kSQg093991 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CDF6E262848 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c44d3d$7fd55e10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:46:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yes i think you are right. Danish word is særk. In York there is the street called coppergate and it is nearly the same as the danish kobbergade. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Strid" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe account > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers (calsons) > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > head-dress)." > > /Lena > > > ================================================= > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com > ================================================= > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This email is private and confidential and may contain > legally privileged information. If you are not named > above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to > read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the > information in this email. If you are not the intended > recipient of this email please contact our systems > administrator. 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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:06:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i58A8OQg003102 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, it would fit in context as well as (in theory) linguistically, but I'm too aware of false friends ('rolig', anyone? :-) ) to just accept it. As it is neither my preferred period nor place, I would like to have it confirmed before I use it in the lecture. Do you _know_ it means chemise, or are you, like me, just making an educated guess? /Lena -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] Sent: 08 June 2004 10:47 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Hi, Yes i think you are right. Danish word is særk. In York there is the street called coppergate and it is nearly the same as the danish kobbergade. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Strid" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe account > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers (calsons) > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > head-dress)." > > /Lena > > > ================================================= > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com > ================================================= > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This email is private and confidential and may contain > legally privileged information. If you are not named > above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to > read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the > information in this email. If you are not the intended > recipient of this email please contact our systems > administrator. Thank you. > > NOTE > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of > the company or its associated companies unless > otherwise specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 06:33:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58AXcRM004105 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58AX3NX028664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58AWxQg014865; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58AWsQg014814 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E438847FE96 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:32:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c44d43$ffe48350$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A638B@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:33:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can only tell you that in our old medieval songs the word særk is mentioned many times. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Strid" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sark? > Yes, it would fit in context as well as (in theory) linguistically, but I'm > too aware of false friends ('rolig', anyone? :-) ) to just accept it. As it > is neither my preferred period nor place, I would like to have it confirmed > before I use it in the lecture. Do you _know_ it means chemise, or are you, > like me, just making an educated guess? > > /Lena > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] > Sent: 08 June 2004 10:47 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > > > Hi, > Yes i think you are right. > Danish word is særk. > In York there is the street called coppergate and it is nearly the same as > the danish kobbergade. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lena Strid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:24 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > > > > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe > account > > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a > > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern > > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the > > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > > > > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers > (calsons) > > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > > head-dress)." > > > > /Lena > > > > > > ================================================= > > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > > Co. 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In-Reply-To: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A638B@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Message-ID: References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A638B@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Lena Strid wrote: > Yes, it would fit in context as well as (in theory) linguistically, but I'm > too aware of false friends ('rolig', anyone? :-) ) to just accept it. As it > is neither my preferred period nor place, I would like to have it confirmed > before I use it in the lecture. Do you _know_ it means chemise, or are you, > like me, just making an educated guess? According to this online dictionary, you're both right: http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/ Search for the word, there's a fair amount of info and a 16th century reference as well. Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne E-post er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 06:50:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58AoVRM004166 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58AmYNX029138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58AmWQg020860; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58AmSQg020827 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 25E0026283F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:48:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] weddingdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Why does this weddingdress costs so much? can anybody tell me this? http://18thcenturycorsets.smugmug.com/gallery/41697/1/1464012/Large I know it is a designer dress, what is making it different from my designer historical dresses? My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 07:02:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58B2dRM004206 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58B24NX029900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58B20Qg026777; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58B1vQg026742 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A4ED35EE07D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c44d48$0ee50290$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:02:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sorry folks, this was ment for Saragrace, not the list Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 07:10:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58BAlRM004225 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BAHNX000759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BAGQg030791; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:10:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BACQg030725 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.166.30647704 (16633) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <166.30647704.2df6f888@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i58BAlRM004225 Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2004 6:50:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( Bjarne-- I suspect you sell your work too cheaply! A common problem with enthusiasts (and one reason why I don't sew for sale--I figure people wouldn't want to pay what my work is really worth!) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 07:14:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58BDxRM004231 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:14:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58B8FNX000613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58B8DQg029705; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58B87Qg029602 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E42BFBDA for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40C59E15.7090108@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:08:05 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress References: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <002101c44d48$0ee50290$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am happy you send it to the list. Those dresses are beautiful! Nice mixture between historical and fantasy. They are very inspiring. And way to expensive :-\ Don't think it is less work to make such a gown as the work you put in your creations. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >sorry folks, this was ment for Saragrace, not the list >Bjarne > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 07:28:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58BSTRM004277 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:28:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BRUNX001593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BROQg038298; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BRMQg038267 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id C2EAA5CC528; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD2085CC4F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.212.4 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3173.198.93.212.4.1086694041.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kids and TV From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.212.4 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040607155923.021db1a0@pop.radiks.net> References: <200406061800.i56I0rks085975@net.indra.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040607155923.021db1a0@pop.radiks.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO well, I admit the particular kid who is the most whiny is just turned 4, and has been parked in front of the TV since she was 1 I guess. Now that she is with me and I have told her no tv, go play, she is doing a lot more. I am planning to start her on sewing here soon. and of course, it matters who they are, the thing that has most impressed me with my distaste for TV especially in young kids is the sight of a child sitting in front of the TV with eyes glued to the set for 3-4 hours on end, unable to tear their eyes away when spoken to and actually unhearing when spoken to. the mindless looks on their faces is scary. Kitty > > > On the other hand, I and my siblings were raised with a lot of TV. We > often did homework with it on. I read voraciously, sew, and dabble > with other art. My siblings have similar experiences. None of us were > whinny or had any trouble entertaining ourselves. > > My nephews have similar experiences. The eldest is working on his last > few merit badges for Eagle Scout at the age of 14. > > I believe it all depends on the child. Some have problems with it and > others don't. > > Pierre > >> > Personally I would not go blaming the TV. The TV is a tool, a >> fixture that can be used and/or abused. >> > >> > Also, I do not think it was the TV that inspired the wall painting. >> My brother and I colored one whole wall without any inspiration from >> the TV. Not to mention the mud hand prints on the side of the >> neighbors house. Ooo and then we discovered magic markers. >> > You can color and paint anything if you put your mind to it. :) >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > Sorry but I have to get this off my chest. THIS IS WHY MY SON DOES >> NOT WATCH TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > I know what TV did to me from watching too much, and I am not >> putting my son though the sort of pain I went through to get a life. >> Pull the plug, and they will find something else too do. My >> biggest problem > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 07:48:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58BmfRM004434 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:48:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58BmBNX002741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Bm8Qg048899; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Bm5Qg048885 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DBA05EE056 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001501c44d4e$85232f80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:48:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyrights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hurra hurra! I got permission to post the danish court dress! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/den_franske_hof_stilengelsk.htm Hurrah! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:09:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58C9GRM004541 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58C7WNX003828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58C7TQg057992; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pqueueb.post.tele.dk (pqueueb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58C7OQg057908 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by pqueueb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93253DE117 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:41:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 82F4947FE52 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003e01c44d4d$7b379fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:41:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyrights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yashoo! No problems, I was allowed http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/es3eng.htm Here is the beautifull dress i am to make! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:19:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CJURM004615 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:19:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CHgNX004298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CHeQg062918; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CHcQg062868 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1e3.225e3b2c (3996) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.225e3b2c.2df70857@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:17:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyrights To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sometimes, all you have to do is ask. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:22:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CMrRM004635 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:22:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CMONX004560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CMNQg065324; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CMJQg065304 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C51F45EE0CA for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c44d53$4f323010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1e3.225e3b2c.2df70857@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyrights Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:22:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YES! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyrights > Sometimes, all you have to do is ask. > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:25:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CPPRM004658 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:25:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58COoNX004703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58COlQg066467; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58COjQg066434 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m175.in-tch.com [216.166.191.175]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i58C0ZF15987 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C5B0EA.6090400@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 06:28:26 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress References: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And better made and *definitely* better designed, too! Lord, but that's an ugly dress, especially for a wedding gown! The descriptions, mixing Elizabethan and 18th c, remind me of those ebay sales that try to describe some odd costume in such a way as to snag just about everyone's attention, if if the descriptions don't fit. The brocade is pretty, but wasted (IMHO) on that bodice (which sure doesn't look like any 18th c. corset *I've* seen pictures of!), the beading is awkward. The lines of beads as "sleeves" or "straps" kinda reminds me of some of the designs in _Dangerous Beauty_. I'm guessing, Bjarne, that that dress costs that much because someone's willing to pay that much (more money than sense?), not because it's actually got a greater value than your gowns. --sue Bjarne Drews wrote: > Hi, > Why does this weddingdress costs so much? can anybody tell me this? > http://18thcenturycorsets.smugmug.com/gallery/41697/1/1464012/Large > I know it is a designer dress, what is making it different from my designer > historical dresses? > My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:26:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CQxRM004668 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CQPNX004825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CQFQg067231; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CP7Qg066613 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CECF35EE032 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c44d53$b2450ab0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:25:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyrights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beautifull dress dont you think? She looks like a piede of porcelaine white and read http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/es3eng.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:27:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CR4RM004671 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:27:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CQWNX004841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:26:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CQWQg067338; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav52.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CPaQg066861 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:25:30 -0700 Received: from 166.102.108.78 by bay1-dav52.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:25:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.108.78] X-Originating-Email: [wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com From: "Bice" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:11:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 12:25:30.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[B03BCD30:01C44D53] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO also up here (upstate ny) during WWI my great grandmother who died in 98 of the age of 98 talked of making cuttie sarks which were lice shirts for soldiers in the trenches. I also saw the reference to cuttie sarks in the Anne of Green Gables series book "Rilla of Ingleside" and my own grandmother (my GG's DIL) was scotch and called shirts "sarks" she was from the Tug Hill area born in Lafargeville. Bice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Strid" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe account > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers (calsons) > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > head-dress)." > > /Lena > > > ================================================= > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com > ================================================= > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This email is private and confidential and may contain > legally privileged information. 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Thank you. > > NOTE > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of > the company or its associated companies unless > otherwise specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:31:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CVQRM004729 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:31:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CTVNX005002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CTUQg068842; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CRiQg067954 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from areese1@austin.rr.com) Received: from buick (cs6820410-168.austin.rr.com [68.204.10.168]) by ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i58CRgt1026102 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001001c44d53$d90dc880$7701a8c0@austin.rr.com> From: "Annette Bethke" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shrek II Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:26:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There was also a portrait of Empress Elizabeth of Austria about 1860. Annette Bethke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Shrek II > ok it wasn't just me. If it wasn't this one it was very similar. > > Molly > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:15 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Shrek II > > > Did anyone else notice? > > In Fiona's parents' castle, in the background, twice, I saw a portrait that > looked suspiciously like this: > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/clouet/francois/queen_el.jpg > > Of course, they made it huge in the movie, I saw it in the Louvre and it's > only 36 x 26 cm. > > Can someone confirm this? Was I just wishing to see it? > > It's like seeing the Lady with the Unicorn (the 5 senses) tapestries in > Gryffindor's common room in Harry Potter! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 08:32:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58CWsRM004748 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CV8NX005125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CV6Qg069786; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CU9Qg069205 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 84B285EE046 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:30:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c44d54$663382e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <40C5B0EA.6090400@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:30:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok I think it is not a bad weddingdress I agreed on making a fake replica for 3000.00 danish crowns. Having a meeting this afternoon with the lady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > And better made and *definitely* better designed, too! > Lord, but that's an ugly dress, especially for a wedding gown! > The descriptions, mixing Elizabethan and 18th c, remind me of those ebay > sales that try to describe some odd costume in such a way as to snag > just about everyone's attention, if if the descriptions don't fit. > The brocade is pretty, but wasted (IMHO) on that bodice (which sure > doesn't look like any 18th c. corset *I've* seen pictures of!), the > beading is awkward. The lines of beads as "sleeves" or "straps" kinda > reminds me of some of the designs in _Dangerous Beauty_. > I'm guessing, Bjarne, that that dress costs that much because someone's > willing to pay that much (more money than sense?), not because it's > actually got a greater value than your gowns. > --sue > > Bjarne Drews wrote: > > Hi, > > Why does this weddingdress costs so much? can anybody tell me this? > > http://18thcenturycorsets.smugmug.com/gallery/41697/1/1464012/Large > > I know it is a designer dress, what is making it different from my designer > > historical dresses? > > My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( > > > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:01:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58D1RRM004974 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:01:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CxaNX006477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CxXQg083156; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58CxUQg083103 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.68]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040608125922.IVTG10364.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:58:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cutty Sark is also a brand of scotch. Not a very good one, mind you... Sheridan :-) From: "Bice" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > also up here (upstate ny) during WWI my great grandmother who died in 98 of > the age of 98 talked of making cuttie sarks which were lice shirts for > soldiers in the trenches. I also saw the reference to cuttie sarks in the > Anne of Green Gables series book "Rilla of Ingleside" and my own grandmother > (my GG's DIL) was scotch and called shirts "sarks" she was from the Tug Hill > area born in Lafargeville. > > Bice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lena Strid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:24 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > > > > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe > account > > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a > > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern > > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the > > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > > > > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers > (calsons) > > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > > head-dress)." > > > > /Lena > > > > > > ================================================= > > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > > Co. 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Thank you. > > > > NOTE > > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of > > the author and do not necessarily represent those of > > the company or its associated companies unless > > otherwise specifically stated. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:01:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58D1aRM004977 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:01:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58D11NX006567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58D10Qg083863; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay3.mail2web.com (relay3.mail2web.com [168.144.1.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58D0pQg083760 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from M2W032.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.137]) by relay3.mail2web.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:00:45 -0400 Message-ID: <260850-2200462813045686@M2W032.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 167.206.224.2 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "purplkat@optonline.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? 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He was in the owner's office - so I stopped at the doorway, recieved acnologement, gave the fax to my boss, curtseyed to him, bigger curtsey to the owner, backed out of the office to the doorway, then walked back to my desk. THEN realized what I had done.... I didn't live THAT down for several weeks.... Thankfully the owner thought it was funny... Katheryne Original Message: ----------------- From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg dannw@eudoramail.com My personal favourite happened to lady who was in my Naval unit as well as being in the SCA - she curtsied instead of saluting an officer on parade. Luckily he was so bemused that she didn't get in any trouble over it... Cheers, Danielle -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:03:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58D3YRM004986 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:03:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58D35NX006638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58D34Qg084887; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58D2wQg084785 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:01:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6391@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:01:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i58D2wQg084785 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Ingrid! That page is now bookmarked for any future reference. /Lena -----Original Message----- From: Ingrid G. Storrø [mailto:ingridgs@techarea.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 11:35 To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sark? On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Lena Strid wrote: > Yes, it would fit in context as well as (in theory) linguistically, but I'm > too aware of false friends ('rolig', anyone? :-) ) to just accept it. As it > is neither my preferred period nor place, I would like to have it confirmed > before I use it in the lecture. Do you _know_ it means chemise, or are you, > like me, just making an educated guess? According to this online dictionary, you're both right: http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/ Search for the word, there's a fair amount of info and a 16th century reference as well. Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne E-post er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:12:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DC3RM005017 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:12:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DAFNX007109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DAEQg088886; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (corb.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DADQg088879 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jschneider3@mn.rr.com) Received: from mn.rr.com (adadcum2-host39.dsl.visi.com [209.98.38.39]) by corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466A9852F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:10:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40C5B98E.5090203@mn.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:05:18 -0500 From: Joan Schneider User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? References: <260850-2200462813045686@M2W032.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <260850-2200462813045686@M2W032.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter and I were Christmas shopping with my mother. While at Kohl's, we ran into a cousin of my step-father. Mother introduced us. I shook his hand. Then he took my daughter's hand....and she curtseyed. Trying to stop the curtsey mid bob, she almost fell over ourself. We didn't let her live that down for awhile either. Generys purplkat@optonline.net wrote: >ok, ok -- my personal favorite - > >(and it actually happened to me) > >The first day back after Pennisc (major SCA event) I had to deliver a fax >to my boss. >He was in the owner's office - so I stopped at the doorway, recieved >acnologement, gave the fax to my boss, curtseyed to him, bigger curtsey to >the owner, backed out of the office to the doorway, then walked back to my >desk. > >THEN realized what I had done.... > >I didn't live THAT down for several weeks.... Thankfully the owner thought >it was funny... > >Katheryne > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg dannw@eudoramail.com > >My personal favourite happened to lady who was in my Naval unit as well as >being in the SCA - she curtsied instead of saluting an officer on parade. >Luckily he was so bemused that she didn't get in any trouble over it... > >Cheers, >Danielle > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:16:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DGsRM005034 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DE4NX007298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DE4Qg090731; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DE1Qg090677 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1dd.237c7131 (4206) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.237c7131.2df71592@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:13:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2004 8:31:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: agreed on making a fake replica for 3000.00 danish crowns. Having a meeting this afternoon with the lady I get that as $495. Is that just for your labor, or all materials, too? If that is the total price, labor and materials, I stand by my statement that you sell yourself too cheap. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:17:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DHTRM005038 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DFeNX007374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DFdQg091585; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav28.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DEpQg091078 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:14:45 -0700 Received: from 166.102.108.100 by bay1-dav28.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:14:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.102.108.100] X-Originating-Email: [wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wantstobecorsetted1@hotmail.com From: "Bice" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:14:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 13:14:45.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[9155A100:01C44D5A] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heh yeah was aware of that. It's sorta wino scotch iirc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > Cutty Sark is also a brand of scotch. > Not a very good one, mind you... > > Sheridan :-) > > From: "Bice" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > > > > also up here (upstate ny) during WWI my great grandmother who died in 98 > of > > the age of 98 talked of making cuttie sarks which were lice shirts for > > soldiers in the trenches. I also saw the reference to cuttie sarks in the > > Anne of Green Gables series book "Rilla of Ingleside" and my own > grandmother > > (my GG's DIL) was scotch and called shirts "sarks" she was from the Tug > Hill > > area born in Lafargeville. > > > > Bice > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lena Strid" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:24 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > > > > > > > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe > > account > > > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's > a > > > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in > Northern > > > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to > the > > > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > > > > > > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > > > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > > > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers > > (calsons) > > > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > > > head-dress)." > > > > > > /Lena > > > > > > > > > ================================================= > > > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > > > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > > > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > > > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > > > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > > > Co. 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Thank you. > > > > > > NOTE > > > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of > > > the author and do not necessarily represent those of > > > the company or its associated companies unless > > > otherwise specifically stated. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:20:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DKlRM005057 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:20:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DKGNX007585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DKEQg093867; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DKCQg093838 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 43D915EE058 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001901c44d5b$64150b80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1dd.237c7131.2df71592@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:20:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann Wass! This is two cheap? yes i guess you are right. I dont have Designers name Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > In a message dated 6/8/2004 8:31:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > agreed on making a fake replica for 3000.00 danish crowns. > Having a meeting this afternoon with the lady > I get that as $495. Is that just for your labor, or all materials, too? If > that is the total price, labor and materials, I stand by my statement that you > sell yourself too cheap. > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:27:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DRnRM005087 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:27:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DQ4NX007950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DQ1Qg096825; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:26:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DPuQg096698 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:24:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6395@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:medieval underwear, coloured Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:24:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc, if you want more examples of breeches, let me know. I've collected quite a few images for my underwear lecture. You wrote: > It is interesting to note that shoes and body garments like breeches and shirts are not mentioned in any of the estate inventories I've ever seen. There are some undergarments mentioned in Swedish wills. And yes, 'braies' is Old French. /Lena -----Original Message----- From: Marc Carlson [mailto:marccarlson20@hotmail.com] Sent: 07 June 2004 15:26 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE:medieval underwear, coloured This is one of -those- topics where if anyone tells you that "they" definitively did one thing or another, look very skeptical. There are no known examples, few pictures - in fact, people don't even call them by the same name (I refer to them as Breeches since the Middle English term for them is Breches; Braies seems to be the popular term for them today - don't ask me where it derives from, I don't know. I think it's French). What little I do have on them is at http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/trousers/breechesindex.ht m (although this morning it's displaying oddly). I'll eventually get around to hooking it into my clothing pages when I'm happy with the pictures identification. It is generally assumed that these were of unbleached linen. Since these are among the garments that would usually see the most wear and washing - it's also plausible that they might have used other (old, used) material as well. This could lead to the existence of colored breeches in the pictures. It is interesting to note that shoes and body garments like breeches and shirts are not mentioned in any of the estate inventories I've ever seen. ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:33:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DX2RM005185 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:33:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DVDNX008249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DVBQg099448; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DV6Qg099367 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1ea.228803b3 (4206) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.228803b3.2df71987@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:30:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How long will it take you to make this? I would figure at a very minimum $20 an hour for labor, (that's about 120 crowns) and that really isn't enough for the kind of skilled labor you are providing. Some people here add on 3 times the cost of materials for the finished product. I guess this makes sense if you think that, the more expensive the materials, and the more of them there are, the longer the dress is going to take. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:39:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DdARM005213 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:39:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DcQNX008607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DcLQg003376; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DcHQg003318 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:38:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 55F7C26286A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:38:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001c01c44d5d$ee73f2d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1ea.228803b3.2df71987@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:38:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am meting her in person in a material shop this afternoon. I already told her that she had to pay me 3000. kr. in danish to make this dress. including hoops and corset bones. She has to pay for the material besides this! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > How long will it take you to make this? I would figure at a very minimum $20 > an hour for labor, (that's about 120 crowns) and that really isn't enough for > the kind of skilled labor you are providing. > Some people here add on 3 times the cost of materials for the finished > product. I guess this makes sense if you think that, the more expensive the > materials, and the more of them there are, the longer the dress is going to take. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:47:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DltRM005317 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Dk3NX009185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Dk2Qg007697; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav28.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Dk0Qg007621 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katdevereaux@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:45:53 -0700 Received: from 207.2.164.194 by bay1-dav28.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:45:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.2.164.194] X-Originating-Email: [katdevereaux@hotmail.com] X-Sender: katdevereaux@hotmail.com From: "Katharine Devereaux" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Charging for your talents Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001901c44d5b$64150b80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcRNXDtGwTcHQc2tSE+YSepxXPgUOwAALdEQ Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 13:45:53.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAD2E1D0:01C44D5E] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would have to agree with Ann, but it's how you market your goods. I have a friend that is starting a jewelry business and I was concerned about the time it takes her to make her product. She is not going to be undercharging, but creating a desire for her product and then charging prices (some of which I would never even think about paying) to be exclusive and so that it is worth her time to do this. She was an attorney, but enjoys this more and will not make quite as much, but as Ann said, she will be making $20 - 30 per hour for her time plus materials. I personally will only sew for my self and if I do sew for others usually don't charge my friends at all because my time is worth more than what I feel right charging them for. We usually do the barter system around here where it is the time spent on projects and exchanged, rather than putting a dollar figure on our time. There are many people who ask why I don't sew for a living, but I, unlike my jewelry making friend, don't feel I can charge what my time is worth. This might change in the future, but it's not there now. My 2 cents. PS. Bjarne, you have better quality and designs than most designers out there so I would say to start thinking of yourself like a designer. It might help others to think about you like that too! Kat/Kim Katharine Devereaux in the SCA Kimberly Hulse in the rest of my life -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Ann Wass! This is two cheap? yes i guess you are right. I dont have Designers name Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > In a message dated 6/8/2004 8:31:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > agreed on making a fake replica for 3000.00 danish crowns. > Having a meeting this afternoon with the lady > I get that as $495. Is that just for your labor, or all materials, too? If > that is the total price, labor and materials, I stand by my statement that you > sell yourself too cheap. > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:48:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DmaRM005327 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:48:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DlpNX009283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DloQg008605; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Dl5Qg008205 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.68]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040608134649.KCIA18206.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:46:49 -0400 Message-ID: <010901c44d5e$f669a600$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:46:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friends daugther, who is 5, recently met a little boy her age who was not in the SCA. Upon hearing his name she asked him : "okay, so what's your *real* name?" Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? > My personal favourite happened to lady who was in my Naval unit as well as being in the SCA - she curtsied instead of saluting an officer on parade. Luckily he was so bemused that she didn't get in any trouble over it... > > Cheers, > Danielle > --------- Original Message --------- > > How about when you're in a mundane crowd and shout, "Huzzah!"? > >Julie > > > >>> > What is it with this generation and video > >>> > games? > >>> > >>You know this hobby has started to affect your mind when (in a mundane > >location) you see a crowd of people staring at something, when you go over > >to find out what they're staring at >you see somebody dressed in historical > >costume (A lady from my SCA Barony wearing 16th century Venetian) and look > >straight past them still searching for what everybody is looking at. Now > >don't tell me that's 'normal' > >>Elizabeth > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 09:58:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58DvxRM005390 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:57:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DvMNX010031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DvKQg013822; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58DvJQg013764 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608135713.38722.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:57:13 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1dd.237c7131.2df71592@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All that work seems to be too cheap for the customer. For my simpler sewing and cusomers that have a limited budget I change $10CND plus cost of materials. Otherwise I bump it. Materials need to come separate or you get burned, or get the customer to buy the material themselves, I give them a that option and then they pay me for my time. I undercharge, but many people can't afford my work so I put it out, but willing to bargan when I need my closets emptied. The work put out on your site, Bjarne, shows that the work isn't simple and easy and the customer needs to appeciate it. You take a lot of care to detail. That type of attention deserves a higher price for the goods. Janet AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/8/2004 8:31:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: agreed on making a fake replica for 3000.00 danish crowns. Having a meeting this afternoon with the lady I get that as $495. Is that just for your labor, or all materials, too? If that is the total price, labor and materials, I stand by my statement that you sell yourself too cheap. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 10:01:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58E10RM005425 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:01:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DwrNX010108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DwqQg014611; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58DwCQg014257 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3482C319662 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:58:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40C5C5F2.8060607@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:58:10 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for your talents References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO snip >PS. Bjarne, you have better quality and designs than most designers out >there so I would say to start thinking of yourself like a designer. It might >help others to think about you like that too! > > > I totally agree on this. Dresses like the one you are making are best to compare with exclusive weddingdresses. I have been to a bridal shop and saw what just normal weddingdresses cost and what service they give. You make one of a kind and fitting dresses.. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 10:16:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58EGJRM005582 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58EETNX011278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58EEOQg024260; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58EELQg024151 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACDA410096; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:19:22 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD4C2670150; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00a801c44d0f$2d013ac0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C42719.6050407@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] J.P.Ryan Robe a la francaise pattern Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:15:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, Have you written Janice Ryan about the problem. She really loves helping people. She is one of our instructors at the Costume Classroom. She also teaches an online class on how to make this gown and the stays. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 10:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Ej4RM005812 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58EiMNX014164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58EiIQg043818; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58EiFQg043699 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjyMOOwoIleWhcmgkEnFCJ8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JXL2GADP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:43:12 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:23:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyrights Message-ID: <20040608.074250.984.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can hardly wait to see the finished product. Looking forward to more pictures. :-) Arlys On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:25:31 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Beautifull dress dont you think? > She looks like a piede of porcelaine white and read > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/es3eng.htm > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 11:19:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58FJgRM005946 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:19:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FIsNX017480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FInQg069305; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FIkQg069213 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.144.2b67c33a (657) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <144.2b67c33a.2df732ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:18:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't know what the tax situation is in Canada or Denmark, but another consideration for me here in the US is that, if I did sew for money, I would be liable for over 40% in taxes--income tax, plus both employer and employee shares of the Social Security tax. So that $20 an hour becomes more like $12. Of course, you can expense some of your gross income away, like by buying a new sewing machine. but not all of it, (And then the issue would arise if you used the machine ONLY for business.) The IRS requires you to show a profit in some years or they regard your "business" as a hobby and you can't expense any of it! I'm sure a number of small entrepeneurs don't report their income, but I believe in being honest with the government. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 11:30:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58FUDRM006069 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:30:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FTZNX018599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FTRQg077725; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58FTIQg077564 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:29:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608152912.44457.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:29:12 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <144.2b67c33a.2df732ca@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Ann Well I am regstered but I don't have a tax (GST) number. I could get one, but my business woudl fall under a profitable hobby, still tax deductable. I could charge taxes if I had a GST number and probably could without. I don't have all the paperwork. It is on the side anyways going around my work and kids. A lot of the time I do a barer anyways and that won't show up for the taxes either. Being part of the SCA, you kind of adopt that way of life among the merchants. Janet AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: Don't know what the tax situation is in Canada or Denmark, but another consideration for me here in the US is that, if I did sew for money, I would be liable for over 40% in taxes--income tax, plus both employer and employee shares of the Social Security tax. So that $20 an hour becomes more like $12. Of course, you can expense some of your gross income away, like by buying a new sewing machine. but not all of it, (And then the issue would arise if you used the machine ONLY for business.) The IRS requires you to show a profit in some years or they regard your "business" as a hobby and you can't expense any of it! I'm sure a number of small entrepeneurs don't report their income, but I believe in being honest with the government. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 11:38:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58FcPRM006149 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:38:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FbkNX019599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FbgQg084660; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58FbeQg084634 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kendra@tweedlebop.com) Received: from unknown (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@69.106.225.188 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 15:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c44d6e$773af3b0$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C42719.6050407@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] R.P.Ryan Robe a la francaise pattern Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:37:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, I also made up this pattern and I did have problems fitting, but I'm not sure if it's the pattern's fault. Making this dress just made me realize how much these dresses really need to be draped (as they were in the period). I do recall having the sleeve too tight, but I think that was my own fault for not being certain on which size I wanted to use (my arms usually fit into a smaller size sleeve than my bodices). I did have problems with the bodice length, but for me it was making the bodice too LONG rather than too short! Anyway, if you're interested you can read my dress diary here: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/francaise.html I'd be happy to try to answer any specific questions you have, and I'm so sorry about your stress! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 11:51:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58FpXRM006264 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:51:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FngNX020985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58FndQg094313; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Fn8Qg093900 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1108923 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:49:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:49:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Signoffs (Was danish courtdress) From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040608035327.91578.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Replied to privately. On 6/7/04 8:53 PM, "Cheri Merideth" wrote: > > --- Lynn Downward wrote: >> Anne, I love Stephens tag also. Your signoff is >> lovely. Who is your quote >> from? A book, poem, song? >> LynnD > > > Lynn, > > Thank you. To think you thought someone "skilled" > wrote it. :) > > I wrote that. My 16 year old son was killed 7 years > ago and that is where it came from. > > Anne > > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:50:37 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c44d70$599bdfc0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040608135713.38722.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i58FoQQg094941 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hear! Hear! (is that how you spell that?) Don't sell yourself cheaply Bjarne. Considering all the hand work you do, I wonder if you couldn't sell close to the designer price. Maybe I am wrong, but do you suppose people with that kind of money don't really care how much it costs and why not buy a label with it? You know if you keep doing this on a regular basis you may end up with a label yourself. Will you remember your little friends on H-cost? As to it's being ugly: I think it is fun...maybe not something I would wear, but on the right person, in the right fabrics-delightful! Sg :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 12:45:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Gj3RM006663 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:45:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58GhaNX026866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58GhWQg037373; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58GhQQg037261 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.12f.4389d484 (25508) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.4389d484.2df746a4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shrek II To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "It's like seeing the Lady with the Unicorn (the 5 senses) tapestries in > Gryffindor's common room in Harry Potter!" There is also a scene in the Sorcerer's Stone where you see the famous portrait of Anne Boleyn briefly, hanging up in the main stair hall. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 12:51:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58GpDRM006883 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:51:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58GjdNX027045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58GjcQg038995; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58GhqQg037611 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040608164344011001c87ge>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:43:44 +0000 Message-ID: <009101c44d77$c66dd430$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1dd.237c7131.2df71592@aol.com> <001901c44d5b$64150b80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:43:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You see that, Bjarne, is the problem! You don't beleieve in yourself like the folks believe in you!!!! I, too, don't have a designers pedigree and my friends all say I sell my stuff for *way* too cheap. I really don't know *what* to charge anymore because of that. Right now I am in the process of starting a new business and trying to set up my pricing index and Boy! It's hard! My reputation is only local, as far as I know, and I feel that I really don't have much to offer. You, however, have a relatively well-known name (remember the museum asked *you* to do the dress?) pretty far and wide. You have a nifty ability to get your stuff on your website with lots of documentation and pictures. I still need to learn how to do that. And once I do, I suppose I'll do better, I guess, if folks believe in me. So, once you start believing in yourself, you will get better at pricing yourself better. Many Hugs and Many happy stitches! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > Ann Wass! > This is two cheap? yes i guess you are right. I dont have > Designers name > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2004 8:31:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > agreed on making a fake replica for 3000.00 danish crowns. > > Having a meeting this afternoon with the lady > > I get that as $495. Is that just for your labor, or all materials, too? If > > that is the total price, labor and materials, I stand by my statement that > you > > sell yourself too cheap. > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:19:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HJNRM007553 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:19:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HIiNX001114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HIgQg065345; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HIXQg065226 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 02F7B5EE081 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:18:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004101c44d7c$a5a0d180$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C42719.6050407@kabelfoon.nl> <003401c44d6e$773af3b0$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] R.P.Ryan Robe a la francaise pattern Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:18:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, You have to practice like the rest uf us, and practice and practice. Periods is a matter of love to the fashion in wich you participates into. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] R.P.Ryan Robe a la francaise pattern > Hi Deredere, > > I also made up this pattern and I did have problems fitting, but I'm not > sure if it's the pattern's fault. Making this dress just made me realize > how much these dresses really need to be draped (as they were in the > period). I do recall having the sleeve too tight, but I think that was my > own fault for not being certain on which size I wanted to use (my arms > usually fit into a smaller size sleeve than my bodices). I did have > problems with the bodice length, but for me it was making the bodice too > LONG rather than too short! > > Anyway, if you're interested you can read my dress diary here: > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/francaise.html > > I'd be happy to try to answer any specific questions you have, and I'm so > sorry about your stress! > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HTuRM007631 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HRuNX002297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HRrQg072525; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from indirectobject.com (066-241-084-045.bus.ashlandfiber.net [66.241.84.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HRoQg072432 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rreed@indirectobject.com) Message-Id: <200406081727.i58HRoQg072432@net.indra.com> Received: from synergy ([192.168.1.1]) by indirectobject.com (WWW [192.168.1.200]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 46-md50000000004.tmp for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:26:57 -0700 From: To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:27:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcRNcYAoTVJ1NVyLS0SMCpmWzgyuYgACyttA In-Reply-To: <200406081555.i58FsoQi098688@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Processed: WWW, Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:26:57 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: rreed@indirectobject.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne: weddingdress & charging for time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, go to Sterling Name Tape's web site (http://www.sterlingnametape.com) or any other tape site and order yourself some labels! They're easy to design. Your work is outstanding and you should be charging way more as everyone here agrees. All it would take is a couple of good sales and you could pay for an ad in any of the American or European bridal magazines and increase your sales. Maybe re-vamp your website and do some search engine indexing (usually free) and you could be on your way to being very well known. Your creations would go easily for $5000 US. I was just reading a price range for wedding gowns here in the US on the Knot's website (theknot.com): $600 or below is cheap $601-1500 Moderate $1501-3000 Expensive $3001-5000 Moderately expensive $5000+ Very expensive I think that lady's gown was like $8000 US and your work is way better! Let me know if you need help with the website (off list). I adore your work and would love to see you go further. Becky Oregon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:31:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HV0RM007639 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:31:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HUMNX002654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HULQg074551; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HSOQh072917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58HWLHN028763 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:32:28 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608101527.00b7f190@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:28:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: [h-cost] weddingdress In-Reply-To: <001901c44d46$2ee67080$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i58HSOQh072917 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In the business world it's called 'marginal pricing', which means charge as much as possible without driving away so many customers that the profits go down. In other words, 'Charge what the market will bear.' I learned about marginal pricing ages ago in an intro to business class. To a degree it is a corollary to the 'greater fool theory' -- there is always somebody who is willing to pay more -- you just have to find him. Is it immoral? Some people would see it as taking advantage of the ignorant and some people would fall back on 'caveat emptor' - let the buyer beware. Is it giving value for value, i.e. a fair bargain? That depends if the customer is satisfied with the purchase. This is how most of the business world is run. We costume aficionados value craftsmanship. Unfortunately most of the world doesn't and isn't willing to pay for it. So they buy overpriced junk and think that they are making a good purchase. As always, my opinion. Katie At 12:48 PM 6/8/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, >Why does this weddingdress costs so much? can anybody tell me this? >http://18thcenturycorsets.smugmug.com/gallery/41697/1/1464012/Large >I know it is a designer dress, what is making it different from my designer >historical dresses? >My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:36:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HaHRM007664 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:36:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HZXNX003364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HZTQg078589; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HZSQg078562 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F93247FE1E for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:35:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004a01c44d7f$0734e970$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406081727.i58HRoQg072432@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne: weddingdress & charging for time Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:35:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hoho hololloooooooooooooooooooody shit Sorry i cant participate in that, It is a matter of the rule of: du skal ikke tro du er noget''''1 hvis du tror du er noget så tro om igen the law of scandinavia Så hvis du tror du er noget, så er der noget du har misforstået, og hvis du trror..............----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne: weddingdress & charging for time > Bjarne, go to Sterling Name Tape's web site > (http://www.sterlingnametape.com) or any other tape site and order yourself > some labels! They're easy to design. Your work is outstanding and you > should be charging way more as everyone here agrees. All it would take is a > couple of good sales and you could pay for an ad in any of the American or > European bridal magazines and increase your sales. Maybe re-vamp your > website and do some search engine indexing (usually free) and you could be > on your way to being very well known. > > Your creations would go easily for $5000 US. I was just reading a price > range for wedding gowns here in the US on the Knot's website (theknot.com): > > $600 or below is cheap > $601-1500 Moderate > $1501-3000 Expensive > $3001-5000 Moderately expensive > $5000+ Very expensive > > I think that lady's gown was like $8000 US and your work is way better! > > Let me know if you need help with the website (off list). I adore your work > and would love to see you go further. > > Becky > Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:48:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HmuRM007741 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:48:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HmPNX004827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HmJQg089079; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:48:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HmEQg089035 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A68B47FEA2 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:48:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006901c44d80$d0945070$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608101527.00b7f190@mail.katiesorchids.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:48:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In my words it is called "stupid people buys anything# 400 pounds sterling is a stupid buy in my wiev. Then people has two much of an income!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Pleasance" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] weddingdress > In the business world it's called 'marginal pricing', which means charge as > much as possible without driving away so many customers that the profits go > down. In other words, 'Charge what the market will bear.' I learned about > marginal pricing ages ago in an intro to business class. > > To a degree it is a corollary to the 'greater fool theory' -- there is > always somebody who is willing to pay more -- you just have to find him. > > Is it immoral? Some people would see it as taking advantage of the ignorant > and some people would fall back on 'caveat emptor' - let the buyer beware. > > Is it giving value for value, i.e. a fair bargain? That depends if the > customer is satisfied with the purchase. > > This is how most of the business world is run. We costume aficionados value > craftsmanship. Unfortunately most of the world doesn't and isn't willing to > pay for it. So they buy overpriced junk and think that they are making a > good purchase. > > As always, my opinion. > > Katie > > At 12:48 PM 6/8/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > >Why does this weddingdress costs so much? can anybody tell me this? > >http://18thcenturycorsets.smugmug.com/gallery/41697/1/1464012/Large > >I know it is a designer dress, what is making it different from my designer > >historical dresses? > >My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( > > > >Bjarne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:53:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HrQRM007754 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HqvNX005362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HqqQg092860; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HpnQh091620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58HtqHN003361 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:55:54 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608104114.0287c518@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:51:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services In-Reply-To: <009101c44d77$c66dd430$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> References: <1dd.237c7131.2df71592@aol.com> <001901c44d5b$64150b80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO One way to determine pricing is to start with a very reasonable price. For each following project, increase the price a bit. As time progresses, you will find that you are charging more than some customers can pay, but so long as there remain customers that are willing to pay the increased price, keep raising the price. Eventually, you will reach a point where the price drives away so many potential customers that your profits go down. At that point, lower your price enough to bring back some of those 'lost' customers. Keep the price as high as possible without making yourself so expensive that your net profit goes down because you are charging more than your customer-base is willing to pay. This is classical 'marginal pricing' in business-speak. This is the pure business way of looking at pricing. It does not take into account such things as loss-leader sales in order to increase business volume, etc. You might decide to charge less for certain customers. If you do so, remember that doing so is taking money out of your pocket. Also remember that if your higher-paying customers find out that you are giving preferential pricing, fewer people will be willing to pay the higher price because they will feel that they have been discriminated against. As always, my opinion. Katie my friends all say I sell my >stuff for *way* too cheap. I really don't know *what* to charge anymore >because of that. Right now I am in the process of starting a new business >and trying to set up my pricing index and Boy! It's hard! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:56:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HugRM007769 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:56:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HtoNX005674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HtnQg095286; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Hq0Qg091809 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 321AD47FE1C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:52:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ot America X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO And Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you We hate you over here in Europe!!! And you are two over weight also!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 13:59:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58HxmRM007781 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HxINX006192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HxHQg098167; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20509.mail.yahoo.com (web20509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.144]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58HxBQg098097 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pennyrobertsho@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608175909.16908.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.64.35.135] by web20509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:59:09 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Roberts Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why thank you, you are too kind but could you please arrange to get me the bigger house? Also, my people still live overseas, both in Europe and in Asia, so we are part of you unless you are not human Penny who loves reading about costumes and hates generalizations Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: And Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you We hate you over here in Europe!!! And you are two over weight also!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:03:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58I3ARM007808 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I1XNX006568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I1WQg099960; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58HxTQg098340 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i58HxQrY026507 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040608135819.01bc4320@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:59:30 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America In-Reply-To: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ok... now that's just a bit rude. not that I don't agree with most of it... but where is the costume content?? May we please turn back to crinolines and fabric? Mari >And >Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! >I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your >government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You >love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you >We hate you over here in Europe!!! >And you are two over weight also!! > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:04:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58I4kRM007813 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:04:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I1dNX006588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I1dQg000151; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I0cQh099378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58I4fHN006057 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:04:43 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608105543.02b1ee38@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:00:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance In-Reply-To: <006901c44d80$d0945070$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608101527.00b7f190@mail.katiesorchids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Charging too much X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes. I think that the customer is paying for the privilege of saying, "MY wedding dress is an original by a famous designer who's work we see in the magazines. Aren't you jealous?" In other words, part of the price is for the dress and part is for "bragging rights". Status uber alles! Katie At 07:48 PM 6/8/2004 +0200, you wrote: >In my words it is called "stupid people buys anything# >400 pounds sterling is a stupid buy in my wiev. >Then people has two much of an income!!!! >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:08:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58I8NRM007824 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I7nNX007413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I7mQg005267; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav59.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I7hQg005199 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katdevereaux@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:07:37 -0700 Received: from 207.2.164.194 by bay1-dav59.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:07:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.2.164.194] X-Originating-Email: [katdevereaux@hotmail.com] X-Sender: katdevereaux@hotmail.com From: "Katharine Devereaux" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] charging for services Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608104114.0287c518@mail.katiesorchids.com> Thread-Index: AcRNgepJLtbe63hvRxKge8lbMR9/kwAAEqxw Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 18:07:37.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B2D5700:01C44D83] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i58I7hQg005199 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This reminds me of what my fiancé says about armour and the top makers in the US. Robert MacPhearson charges about $20,000 US for a complete suit and he keeps raising his prices so that he never gets more than he can handle. His work is requested by museums and actually is better quality than many of the pieces he has been asked to recreate. Granted a suit of armour will last a lifetime, but as costumers, many sell their work short and do not realize the art involved in this craft. Kim/Kat Katharine Devereaux in the SCA Kimberly Hulse in the rest of my life -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Katie Pleasance Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services One way to determine pricing is to start with a very reasonable price. For each following project, increase the price a bit. As time progresses, you will find that you are charging more than some customers can pay, but so long as there remain customers that are willing to pay the increased price, keep raising the price. Eventually, you will reach a point where the price drives away so many potential customers that your profits go down. At that point, lower your price enough to bring back some of those 'lost' customers. Keep the price as high as possible without making yourself so expensive that your net profit goes down because you are charging more than your customer-base is willing to pay. This is classical 'marginal pricing' in business-speak. This is the pure business way of looking at pricing. It does not take into account such things as loss-leader sales in order to increase business volume, etc. You might decide to charge less for certain customers. If you do so, remember that doing so is taking money out of your pocket. Also remember that if your higher-paying customers find out that you are giving preferential pricing, fewer people will be willing to pay the higher price because they will feel that they have been discriminated against. As always, my opinion. Katie my friends all say I sell my >stuff for *way* too cheap. I really don't know *what* to charge anymore >because of that. Right now I am in the process of starting a new business >and trying to set up my pricing index and Boy! It's hard! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:11:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IBERM007866 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:11:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IALNX007653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I9sQg006950; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58I8BQg005688 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0415.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.161]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXl17-00000r-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:08:09 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:08:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i58I8BQg005688 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Isn't Cutty Sark Scotch named for the ship on its label, the Cutty Sark? That's what the ads used to say, anyway. Why the ship got that name is not explained....Hate to think her sails were made from old shirts, especially with lice in them, ha ha! or maybe those cuttie sarks made for soldiers in the trenches were named after the ship, if the ship was lousy ha ha ha? .... or was the Cutty Sark just a cutter (I don't know my sailing vessels)? This seems to be a circular linguistic conundrum. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 6/8/04 8:58 AM, Shane & Sheridan at shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca wrote: > Cutty Sark is also a brand of scotch. > Not a very good one, mind you... > > Sheridan :-) > > From: "Bice" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > > >> also up here (upstate ny) during WWI my great grandmother who died in 98 > of >> the age of 98 talked of making cuttie sarks which were lice shirts for >> soldiers in the trenches. I also saw the reference to cuttie sarks in the >> Anne of Green Gables series book "Rilla of Ingleside" and my own > grandmother >> (my GG's DIL) was scotch and called shirts "sarks" she was from the Tug > Hill >> area born in Lafargeville. >> >> Bice >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lena Strid" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:24 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] Sark? >> >> >>> Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe >> account >>> from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's > a >>> Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in > Northern >>> England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to > the >>> Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). >>> >>> "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the >>> material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of >>> sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers >> (calsons) >>> two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin >>> head-dress)." >>> >>> /Lena >>> >>> >>> ================================================= >>> Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. >>> Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers >>> 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 >>> Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 >>> Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com >>> Co. 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Thank you. >>> >>> NOTE >>> Any views or opinions presented are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of >>> the company or its associated companies unless >>> otherwise specifically stated. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:12:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58ICVRM007879 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IBwNX007871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IBuQg008501; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IBdQg008172 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1109630 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:11:34 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:11:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, what happened? LynnD On 6/8/04 10:52 AM, "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your > government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:17:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IHhRM008011 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:17:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IFrNX008303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IFpci011452; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:15:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IFici011298 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040608181534011001e7lme>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <011a01c44d84$9481e8a0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406081727.i58HRoQg072432@net.indra.com> <004a01c44d7f$0734e970$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:15:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne: charging for time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, what were you quoting? I don't read your language. Anyways, why can't you charge what you are worth? I don't understand this. I think I might be a little naive and ignorant. So if you could explain it, maybe it would help me understand why you think your work isn't worth the pay you deserve. I mean, folks *are* coming to *you*, right? And you do not have any advertising, right? Emer \ Gia Trying to get a clue.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne: weddingdress & charging for time > Hoho hololloooooooooooooooooooody shit > > Sorry i cant participate in that, > It is a matter of the rule of: > du skal ikke tro du er noget''''1 > hvis du tror du er noget så tro om igen > the law of scandinavia >> > > > Your creations would go easily for $5000 US. I was just reading a price > > range for wedding gowns here in the US on the Knot's website > (theknot.com): > > > > $600 or below is cheap > > $601-1500 Moderate > > $1501-3000 Expensive > > $3001-5000 Moderately expensive > > $5000+ Very expensive > > > > I think that lady's gown was like $8000 US and your work is way better! > > > > Let me know if you need help with the website (off list). I adore your > work > > and would love to see you go further. > > > > Becky > > Oregon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:19:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IJ3RM008021 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IIQNX008517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IIOci013532; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IGaci012017 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AB1675EE0C4 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00a601c44d84$c769d480$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:16:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nothing happened, I just had to tell you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > Bjarne, what happened? > LynnD > > On 6/8/04 10:52 AM, "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > > > And > > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your > > government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You > > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > > And you are two over weight also!! > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:20:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IKhRM008038 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IIeNX008546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IIcci013703; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58IH5ci012342 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608181654.63795.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:16:54 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006901c44d80$d0945070$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree and disagree with this. From a purely business perspective, yes this theory holds, but from a compassionate perspective it is just plain wrong. I think somewhere in between is where you need to be. Enough that you don't sell yourself short for the amount of work you put into it, but not gouge the customer. A lot of work goes in, I know, I like to hnd sew trims and make my own designs and all the research, but what good is that if you make you sell your goods at an unattainable level where only the super rich can get them. THat is unfair and unrealistic. HOw many people actually get known to have the ability to do that? For the stuff I do I could easily charge $20-30/hr, but I choose $10/hr because I make something for my work and those who would not be able to afford it otherwise can get the same quality. I think it is balanced for now. One day I might raise it, but why? Both myself and my customer are happy with that. I make make additional arrangements w! ith them and barter if they are interested. I lay it out straight to them what I expect and get the same in return. My rant and take on this topic. Maybe it is because I am Canadian and American have this myth that we are so polite and nice, maybe it is that I don't have the heart to turn down customers that need a break. I just can't justify making a customer pay a great deal for my work, when they clearly can't afford it. Janet Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: In my words it is called "stupid people buys anything# 400 pounds sterling is a stupid buy in my wiev. Then people has two much of an income!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Pleasance" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] weddingdress > In the business world it's called 'marginal pricing', which means charge as > much as possible without driving away so many customers that the profits go > down. In other words, 'Charge what the market will bear.' I learned about > marginal pricing ages ago in an intro to business class. > > To a degree it is a corollary to the 'greater fool theory' -- there is > always somebody who is willing to pay more -- you just have to find him. > > Is it immoral? Some people would see it as taking advantage of the ignorant > and some people would fall back on 'caveat emptor' - let the buyer beware. > > Is it giving value for value, i.e. a fair bargain? That depends if the > customer is satisfied with the purchase. > > This is how most of the business world is run. We costume aficionados value > craftsmanship. Unfortunately most of the world doesn't and isn't willing to > pay for it. So they buy overpriced junk and think that they are making a > good purchase. > > As always, my opinion. > > Katie > > At 12:48 PM 6/8/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > >Why does this weddingdress costs so much? can anybody tell me this? > >http://18thcenturycorsets.smugmug.com/gallery/41697/1/1464012/Large > >I know it is a designer dress, what is making it different from my designer > >historical dresses? > >My dresses are much cheaper§ :-( > > > >Bjarne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:23:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58INuRM008088 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:23:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IN4NX009009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IN3ci017237; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:23:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IJici014517 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BXlCE-0007gz-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:19:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:09:49 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> In-Reply-To: <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Cutty Sark" as a name for scotch or the famous tea clipper, is a reference from Robert Burns' "Tam o'Shanter". He comes upon a group of witches and warlocks dancing, and they have thrown off their clothes and are dancing just in their *sarks*. One of the witches is particularly young and attractive and wearing a particularly short chemise, and like a fool he draws her attention by shouting out "well done, cutty-sark". She chases him and nearly catches him, but when she has his horse by the tail, the horse gets away over the river leaving its tail in the witch's hand. The figurehead of the ship Cutty Sark is a young woman (well endowed and scantily dressed), reaching out to grab something. Jean Shane & Sheridan wrote >Cutty Sark is also a brand of scotch. >Not a very good one, mind you... > >Sheridan :-) > >From: "Bice" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > > >> also up here (upstate ny) during WWI my great grandmother who died in 98 >of >> the age of 98 talked of making cuttie sarks which were lice shirts for >> soldiers in the trenches. I also saw the reference to cuttie sarks in the >> Anne of Green Gables series book "Rilla of Ingleside" and my own >grandmother >> (my GG's DIL) was scotch and called shirts "sarks" she was from the Tug >Hill >> area born in Lafargeville. >> >> Bice >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lena Strid" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:24 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] Sark? >> >> >> > Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe >> account >> > from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's >a >> > Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in >Northern >> > England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to >the >> > Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). >> > >> > "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the >> > material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of >> > sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers >> (calsons) >> > two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin >> > head-dress)." >> > >> > /Lena >> > >> > >> > ================================================= >> > Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. >> > Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers >> > 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 >> > Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 >> > Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com >> > Co. 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Thank you. >> > >> > NOTE >> > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of >> > the author and do not necessarily represent those of >> > the company or its associated companies unless >> > otherwise specifically stated. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:24:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IOhRM008101 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IMoNX008983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:22:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IMnci017080; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51108.mail.yahoo.com (web51108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.150]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58IJZci014394 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:19:30 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, how can you HATE people you don't even know? Anne --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses > and letting your > government take two much participation in european > and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:28:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58ISPRM008233 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:28:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IRNNX009492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IRMci020626; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58INVci017627 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.68]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040608182324.CPQW3387.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:23:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01ad01c44d85$9241ee40$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:22:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, It's definitely a lousy scotch. :-) Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "ruthanne baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > Isn't Cutty Sark Scotch named for the ship on its label, the Cutty Sark? > That's what the ads used to say, anyway. Why the ship got that name is not > explained....Hate to think her sails were made from old shirts, especially > with lice in them, ha ha! or maybe those cuttie sarks made for soldiers in > the trenches were named after the ship, if the ship was lousy ha ha ha? .... > or was the Cutty Sark just a cutter (I don't know my sailing vessels)? This > seems to be a circular linguistic conundrum. > > Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > on 6/8/04 8:58 AM, Shane & Sheridan at shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > Cutty Sark is also a brand of scotch. > > Not a very good one, mind you... > > > > Sheridan :-) > > > > From: "Bice" > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? > > > > > >> also up here (upstate ny) during WWI my great grandmother who died in 98 > > of > >> the age of 98 talked of making cuttie sarks which were lice shirts for > >> soldiers in the trenches. I also saw the reference to cuttie sarks in the > >> Anne of Green Gables series book "Rilla of Ingleside" and my own > > grandmother > >> (my GG's DIL) was scotch and called shirts "sarks" she was from the Tug > > Hill > >> area born in Lafargeville. > >> > >> Bice > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lena Strid" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:24 AM > >> Subject: [h-cost] Sark? > >> > >> > >>> Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe > >> account > >>> from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's > > a > >>> Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in > > Northern > >>> England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to > > the > >>> Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). > >>> > >>> "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the > >>> material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of > >>> sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers > >> (calsons) > >>> two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin > >>> head-dress)." > >>> > >>> /Lena > >>> > >>> > >>> ================================================= > >>> Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. > >>> Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers > >>> 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 > >>> Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 > >>> Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com > >>> Co. 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Thank you. > >>> > >>> NOTE > >>> Any views or opinions presented are solely those of > >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of > >>> the company or its associated companies unless > >>> otherwise specifically stated. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> h-costume mailing list > >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:31:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IVsRM008278 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:31:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ITwNX009754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ITlci022758; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ISGci021408 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040608182809012001f5kae>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:28:09 +0000 Message-ID: <013101c44d86$5f9a4a40$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:28:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT america...huh? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Um really? I would like to order one of those bigger houses, please; and also, I'd like to make more than minimum wage so I can pay my bills. That's all I ask for. We, here on this list, are *not the UW government* and most likely just as disgusted and angry at our own government as well. Maybe not everyone, but I don't know of anyone who isn't; but that's my own personal experience. But then again, I saw the documentary about the genocide in Rwanda and how much the US was blamed for NOT doing something to same the hundreds of Thousands that were massacred. Of course, the government was trying to NOT get involved in something that was not it's business... And well, I am really sad...I *TRULY* believe in you and while I don't think you should charge some of the more astronomical prices, couldn't you just be more realistic about how much you *ARE* worth? Isn't that what friends do, help their friends think better of themselves? Emer \ Gia sadly trying to understand.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [h-cost] ot America > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your > government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:34:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IYARM008288 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:34:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IW5NX009997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IW5ci024513; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IUwcj023617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58IYvHN015469 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:34:59 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608112018.029b07d0@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:30:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? In-Reply-To: References: <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The ship named the Cutty Sark was an extremely fast 'tea cutter' (a ship designed for hauling tea from India to Britain). The Cutty Sark gained fame for being the first to deliver a particular season's tea to London, beating all the competition and making a fortune for all involved because the first tea of the season demanded a much higher price per pound than the tea that came on ships that arrived later. The Cutty Sark was owned by a Scotsman and at it's 'truck' (the highest point of the tallest mast) had a metal silhouette of a Cutty Sark (a cut [short] shirt). So -- the ship was named for the ship-owners emblem - a cutty sark (a short chemise). The booze was named after the famous ship. Sark is also the name of a Scottish island, famous for it's liquor Therefore, the name of the Scotch alcohol could have been a pun on island name (island famous for it's alcohol/ garment description (famous ship). I have nothing to substantiate this assertion, but it makes a colorful story even if it isn't true. Katie At 02:08 PM 6/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Isn't Cutty Sark Scotch named for the ship on its label, the Cutty Sark? >That's what the ads used to say, anyway. Why the ship got that name is not >explained....Hate to think her sails were made from old shirts, especially >with lice in them, ha ha! or maybe those cuttie sarks made for soldiers in >the trenches were named after the ship, if the ship was lousy ha ha ha? .... >or was the Cutty Sark just a cutter (I don't know my sailing vessels)? This >seems to be a circular linguistic conundrum. >Ruth Anne Baumgartner _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:35:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IZmRM008296 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IZ0NX010260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IYwci026734; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IYrci026674 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 34D265EE0FB for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:34:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:35:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have seen your leaders so many times Reagan Bush, not the least Bush ................ I can understand that you hate the people who teared down your towers, but now we hear that your police people beats the Guantanamo people,. We have a danish citisent who was beaten by American POLICE i just want to tell you over there that you have to ease down here; we dont want you to spoil things here! bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! ----- Origil Message ----- From: "Cheri Merideth" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > Bjarne, > > how can you HATE people you don't even know? > > Anne > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > wrote: > > And > > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses > > and letting your > > government take two much participation in european > > and world issue.< You > > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > > And you are two over weight also!! > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. 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Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:39:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IdIRM008302 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IcUNX010637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IcTci029572; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IcLci029425 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040608183813012001jdsoe>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:38:13 +0000 Message-ID: <014301c44d87$c768e2c0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1dd.237c7131.2df71592@aol.com><001901c44d5b$64150b80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.2.0.9.0.20040608104114.0287c518@mail.katiesorchids.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:38:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO HI Katie! Hmmm...the idea is interesting. But, well, it is more important to know where folks are financially. I know *MANY* of my friends, and their friends too, that have been laid off, injured on the job (and thus on L&I) or just financially hurting. So, while my friends say I'm not charging enough, I have no reason to not believe them. But then I think, where would my customers and potential customers get the money to pay what I may be worth? And besides, I'd be selling only locally; I have paid attention to the financial picture of those who (demographically speaking) would be interested in my work. They could not afford what has been suggested to me by my friends. So, I am stuck not knowing what the heck I should charge. As I said, I'm starting up my business, so I am having to reassess the situation drastically. I'll do an evaluation of your suggestion (from your business classes; thank you for sharing them!!) along with the other suggestions I've already received. Hugs and many happy stitches. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Pleasance" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services > One way to determine pricing is to start with a very reasonable price. For > each following project, increase the price a bit. As time progresses, you > will find that you are charging more than some customers can pay, but so > long as there remain customers that are willing to pay the increased price, > keep raising the price. Eventually, you will reach a point where the price > drives away so many potential customers that your profits go down. At that > point, lower your price enough to bring back some of those 'lost' > customers. Keep the price as high as possible without making yourself so > expensive that your net profit goes down because you are charging more than > your customer-base is willing to pay. > This is classical 'marginal pricing' in business-speak. This is the pure > business way of looking at pricing. It does not take into account such > things as loss-leader sales in order to increase business volume, etc. > > You might decide to charge less for certain customers. If you do so, > remember that doing so is taking money out of your pocket. Also remember > that if your higher-paying customers find out that you are giving > preferential pricing, fewer people will be willing to pay the higher price > because they will feel that they have been discriminated against. > > As always, my opinion. > > Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:42:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IgqRM008314 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58If1NX010787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58If0ci031472; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:41:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Icdcj029703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58IgfHN017997 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:42:42 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113224.029ae998@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:38:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress In-Reply-To: <20040608181654.63795.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <006901c44d80$d0945070$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We all have a pricing level that we are comfortable with. Corporations rarely agree with your set of values and *will* charge what the market will bear -- as well as selling products of dubious quality for more than an 'educated' person would be willing to pay. Sometimes that extra price is worth it because of convenience or some other intangible. On the other side of the situation -- there are people who will take advantage of what they see as your gullibility and naivete for charging so little. In the end, everybody decides what their time is worth in money according to their own values. Katie, who neither supports nor criticizes marginal pricing but merely reports how to get the maximum monetary profit -- if that is your personal goal. Katie At 02:16 PM 6/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I agree and disagree with this. From a purely business perspective, yes >this theory holds, but from a compassionate perspective it is just plain >wrong. I think somewhere in between is where you need to be. Enough that >you don't sell yourself short for the amount of work you put into it, but >not gouge the customer. A lot of work goes in, I know, I like to hnd sew >trims and make my own designs and all the research, but what good is that >if you make you sell your goods at an unattainable level where only the >super rich can get them. THat is unfair and unrealistic. HOw many people >actually get known to have the ability to do that? For the stuff I do I >could easily charge $20-30/hr, but I choose $10/hr because I make >something for my work and those who would not be able to afford it >otherwise can get the same quality. I think it is balanced for now. One >day I might raise it, but why? Both myself and my customer are happy with >that. I make make additional arrangements w! > ith them and barter if they are interested. I lay it out straight to > them what I expect and get the same in return. > >My rant and take on this topic. Maybe it is because I am Canadian and >American have this myth that we are so polite and nice, maybe it is that I >don't have the heart to turn down customers that need a break. I just >can't justify making a customer pay a great deal for my work, when they >clearly can't afford it. > >Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:44:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IitRM008317 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IhINX011028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IhFci033280; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IfMcj031773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58IjQHN018783 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:45:28 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113901.029aba98@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:41:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? In-Reply-To: References: <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, your information fits in quite well with mine. I remember seeing the metal shirt on the masthead. You remember other things ... together, it makes a good story ... (and so long as we keep returning to the chemise, it stays on topic .) Katie At 07:09 PM 6/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >"Cutty Sark" as a name for scotch or the famous tea clipper, is a >reference from Robert Burns' "Tam o'Shanter". He comes upon a group of >witches and warlocks dancing, and they have thrown off their clothes and >are dancing just in their *sarks*. One of the witches is particularly >young and attractive and wearing a particularly short chemise, and like a >fool he draws her attention by shouting out "well done, cutty-sark". She >chases him and nearly catches him, but when she has his horse by the tail, >the horse gets away over the river leaving its tail in the witch's hand. > >The figurehead of the ship Cutty Sark is a young woman (well endowed and >scantily dressed), reaching out to grab something. >Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:48:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58ImRRM008329 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:48:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IkpNX011308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Ikhci036101; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Ihsci033783 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608184348.58307.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:43:48 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:43:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One country would have put themselve in the position that the US has. It is a tough place to be. THey have been elected, whether they have or others pushed them to be unwittingly, to be the police of the world for now. THey are the ones that step in. We here in Canada don't always agree witht hem, but someone needs to step in for those that can't defend themselves, like there in the middle East where the people were being slaughter by their own government. Unfortunately those who try to do the right thing which it doesn't always end up being, get in trouble no matter what. On a less mature note, look at super heroes, they get persecuted in the comics as well for trying to help others only because of their super power. On a personal level. I find a lot of Americans to be loud and rude(not all, I know many whoa re very nice and would do anything for you), but they are the first ones to put their life on the line as a country. Here in Canada, we don't have much that resembles a military force and can pretty much act as cheerl leaders or the clean up crew. My 2 cents worth. Janet Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I have seen your leaders so many times Reagan Bush, not the least Bush ................ I can understand that you hate the people who teared down your towers, but now we hear that your police people beats the Guantanamo people,. We have a danish citisent who was beaten by American POLICE i just want to tell you over there that you have to ease down here; we dont want you to spoil things here! bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! ----- Origil Message ----- From: "Cheri Merideth" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > Bjarne, > > how can you HATE people you don't even know? > > Anne > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > wrote: > > And > > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses > > and letting your > > government take two much participation in european > > and world issue.< You > > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > > And you are two over weight also!! > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. 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Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:49:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58InARM008332 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ImnNX011476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Imlci037772; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Il6ci036383 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608184700.59038.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:47:00 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:47:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113224.029ae998@mail.katiesorchids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with you and your statements. The general market enjoys competing wiht each other for the highest bidder it seems. My amrket is quieter and for select people and I feel anything less would be them taking advantage of me unless they have somehting to offer in a barter. If they wish to pay me more or they have means that would allow them to do so, I would not feel guilty in the higher price, but this where I am comfortable and this is where I will stay. Janet Katie Pleasance wrote: We all have a pricing level that we are comfortable with. Corporations rarely agree with your set of values and *will* charge what the market will bear -- as well as selling products of dubious quality for more than an 'educated' person would be willing to pay. Sometimes that extra price is worth it because of convenience or some other intangible. On the other side of the situation -- there are people who will take advantage of what they see as your gullibility and naivete for charging so little. In the end, everybody decides what their time is worth in money according to their own values. Katie, who neither supports nor criticizes marginal pricing but merely reports how to get the maximum monetary profit -- if that is your personal goal. Katie At 02:16 PM 6/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I agree and disagree with this. From a purely business perspective, yes >this theory holds, but from a compassionate perspective it is just plain >wrong. I think somewhere in between is where you need to be. Enough that >you don't sell yourself short for the amount of work you put into it, but >not gouge the customer. A lot of work goes in, I know, I like to hnd sew >trims and make my own designs and all the research, but what good is that >if you make you sell your goods at an unattainable level where only the >super rich can get them. THat is unfair and unrealistic. HOw many people >actually get known to have the ability to do that? For the stuff I do I >could easily charge $20-30/hr, but I choose $10/hr because I make >something for my work and those who would not be able to afford it >otherwise can get the same quality. I think it is balanced for now. One >day I might raise it, but why? Both myself and my customer are happy with >that. I make make additional arrangements w! > ith them and barter if they are interested. I lay it out straight to > them what I expect and get the same in return. > >My rant and take on this topic. Maybe it is because I am Canadian and >American have this myth that we are so polite and nice, maybe it is that I >don't have the heart to turn down customers that need a break. I just >can't justify making a customer pay a great deal for my work, when they >clearly can't afford it. > >Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! 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Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58It1RM008346 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:55:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IqaNX011810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IqYci040639; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51102.mail.yahoo.com (web51102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.144]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58IqWci040525 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608185227.21992.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:52:27 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your hate is one sided, let me assure you. We, of middle and lower income, don't hate you or the poeples of ANY other country. We care about everyone on this earth of ours. God help you with this one, Anne --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses > and letting your > government take two much participation in european > and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:56:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IuHRM008352 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:56:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ItTNX012068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ItSci043096; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58IsCci042031 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608185406.69010.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:54:06 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <014301c44d87$c768e2c0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not knowing American finances, I would be of little help other than myself and others that I know charge about $10-20 CND/hr for our time and the rest is individual decisions. THese people that I talk to are from the SCA and many people in the SCA are not rich and so costs need to remain down. I am not affiliated yet with film or theater for costuming and that again would change my price. THere are also ready made costumes and custom made (both categories are yous not store bought reference) that need to be considered. THe price tage can be a bit higher or lower for ready made and custom made can be set per hour or per item (eg. type of sleeve, skirt, etc) that is used. YOu are in control, most important thing is how much do you need to be paid for it to be worth your time and happiness. A higher price could mean that it isn't a profitable hobby anymore and you start to loose you enjoyment or a higher pirce could mean that youa re earning your fun. I like the barterin! g too. I think it is because I am one of those weird women that enjoy negotiating and seeing what I can get, but still feel it is fair. Just enjoy it and use that to guide you. I know many woudl disagree with that statement, but it is your drive in the end. Janet Gia wrote: HI Katie! Hmmm...the idea is interesting. But, well, it is more important to know where folks are financially. I know *MANY* of my friends, and their friends too, that have been laid off, injured on the job (and thus on L&I) or just financially hurting. So, while my friends say I'm not charging enough, I have no reason to not believe them. But then I think, where would my customers and potential customers get the money to pay what I may be worth? And besides, I'd be selling only locally; I have paid attention to the financial picture of those who (demographically speaking) would be interested in my work. They could not afford what has been suggested to me by my friends. So, I am stuck not knowing what the heck I should charge. As I said, I'm starting up my business, so I am having to reassess the situation drastically. I'll do an evaluation of your suggestion (from your business classes; thank you for sharing them!!) along with the other suggestions I've already received. Hugs and many happy stitches. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Pleasance" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services > One way to determine pricing is to start with a very reasonable price. For > each following project, increase the price a bit. As time progresses, you > will find that you are charging more than some customers can pay, but so > long as there remain customers that are willing to pay the increased price, > keep raising the price. Eventually, you will reach a point where the price > drives away so many potential customers that your profits go down. At that > point, lower your price enough to bring back some of those 'lost' > customers. Keep the price as high as possible without making yourself so > expensive that your net profit goes down because you are charging more than > your customer-base is willing to pay. > This is classical 'marginal pricing' in business-speak. This is the pure > business way of looking at pricing. It does not take into account such > things as loss-leader sales in order to increase business volume, etc. > > You might decide to charge less for certain customers. If you do so, > remember that doing so is taking money out of your pocket. Also remember > that if your higher-paying customers find out that you are giving > preferential pricing, fewer people will be willing to pay the higher price > because they will feel that they have been discriminated against. > > As always, my opinion. > > Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:57:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IvYRM008363 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ItlNX012119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Itkci043350; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ItDci042881 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029DA5B495 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.on.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14120-09 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id AAB645B4AC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c44d8a$7a3166a0$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200406081831.i58IVscj024377@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:57:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sark X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cutty Sark was a famous tea clipper which was nigh unto unbeatable but for when she came upon some bad luck in a race against the famed Thermopylae. (Incidentally, I wrote a short story - an alternate history - about that famed raced which was published in On Spec Magazine.) Cutty Sark was named for the short shirt the sea witch, Nanny, wore. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 14:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58IvbRM008366 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:57:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58IteNX012095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Itdci043256; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58ItDci042874 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3505B4B2 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.on.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14331-05 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 69BAF5B495 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c44d8a$7a06ad20$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200406081831.i58IVscj024377@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:54:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:charging for services X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Charging what your work is worth can work both ways, actually. I sell my hand-sewn linen shirts, which take me three days to make, for $250.00CDN, and can't sell them. Given there's 24 hours of work in them, that's not exactly great wages, nor does it include the cost of the excellent quality linen I use. Same goes with the reproduction embroidered garments I make. For example, there is a reproduction 1790 gentleman's waistcoat I've been trying to sell forever, even on Ebay, with no joy. There's 44 hours of work in the embroidery, 12 in the hand-sewing. the front is on green wool/silk, and lined and backed with excellent quality linen. Still hasn't sold. The comment I get often is: Oh, I could make that. My response is: Sure, then go ahead. Of course, I don't have a designer behind the name on my label. So sure, charge what the item is worth, but remember you may not exactly have customers pounding on your door. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:04:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58J4JRM008405 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58J2UNX012745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58J2Sci048652; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Itpci043351 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1109913 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:55:45 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:55:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Many of us feel the exact same way you do about our government. Just when we think we have a leader who believes in people around the world - one people - like Jimmy Carter who won a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for his work, for God's sake, we end up with someone like Ronny Reagen, who erased all Carter's good work and moved us so far right that it took years to recover. Then we got the father-son comedy team of the Bushes, who don't believe in world peace, just oil money for the US, and what happens. Warm, wonderful people like Bjarne dislike us. I rent an apartment too small for my husband, two children, me and our hobbies, but that's all we can afford. I think we're the majority. But as long as Bushes run the country and tax the middle-class and give the rich tax benefits, we will continue to pay for the wars we don't believe in. Costume comment: as our hated governor and president, Ron Reagen sure did wear well-fitted 20thC suits. And his wife's presidential gowns are in one national museum or another back east. LynnD Hating herself for ranting politics online On 6/8/04 11:35 AM, "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > I have seen your leaders so many times Reagan Bush, not the least Bush > ................ > I can understand that you hate the people who teared down your towers, but > now we hear that your police people beats the Guantanamo people,. We have a > danish citisent who was beaten by American POLICE > i just want to tell you over there that you have to ease down here; we dont > want you to spoil things here! > bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! > ----- Origil Message ----- > From: "Cheri Merideth" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > > >> Bjarne, >> >> how can you HATE people you don't even know? >> >> Anne >> >> --- Bjarne og Leif Drews >> wrote: >>> And >>> Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! >>> I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses >>> and letting your >>> government take two much participation in european >>> and world issue.< You >>> love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you >>> We hate you over here in Europe!!! >>> And you are two over weight also!! >>> >>> Bjarne >>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:11:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JAxRM008424 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:11:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JALNX013553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JAIci055355; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58J9Icj054239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from Jupiter.plumbnet (d14-69-189-68.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.68.189]) by pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58J98ge020537 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:09:08 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:09:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406081509.11388.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's not fair, Bjarne. Lots of us aren't loud or obnoxious, don't live in big houses or "allow" our government to run roughshod over the rest of the world. It's just not fair to assume the whole country behaves like a select few. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:14:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JEARM008439 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:14:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JCFNX013715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JCFci056855; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51104.mail.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58JBmci056477 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608191143.25663.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:11:43 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hollo everyone, I have been thinking about making the dress in this painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's Venice Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and where it belongs? And do you think the bodice is attached to the skirt or no? In service, Anne ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:17:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JHvRM008479 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JHHNX014088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JHBci060569; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JH9ci060466 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040608191659016000ln3re>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:17:00 +0000 Message-ID: <016d01c44d8d$34626e50$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne....well, I don't think you should have kept your mouth shut... Maybe could have gotten things off your chest to us (we are your efriends, I think) a little better... We *do* want to hear what you think and feel...but maybe not generalize all of us as the baddies? I mean, not all Germans were followers of Hitler or members of SS, right? One of the things I noticed over the years of my research that anytime there is a major war, the fashions tend to adopt some of the military aspects of the day. For example, the Landshneckt (spelling?) started the fashion for slashing perfectly good garments of the day. There are others that I can't bring to mind right now. I seem to vaguely recall that there were militarily influenced garments in English fashions several times. Was there during the Elizabethan, Victorian, Regency eras? I'd like to learn more about those periods and some suggestions for required reading a web searching. In happy stitches, Emer \ Gia just wanting to ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:35 AM > bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:22:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JMJRM008501 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:22:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JLoNX014474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JLmci064028; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JL3ci063468 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.9e.c8c469b (25711) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.c8c469b.2df76b91@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:20:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2004 2:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > I have seen your leaders so many times Reagan Bush, not the least Bush > So if Denmark [isn't that where you are?] were remotely a super power, they would be perfect? Don't blame Americans for current screw ups. This administration is unelected and not a voice of the majority. As an American, I think the biggest general problem over here is ignorance. It's even uncool to know stuff....unless it's about sports. Even super religious folks know little about their religion and nothing about anyone else's. No one knows any history. Bush II and his friends are the triumph of anti-intellectualism. This is what you get when you don't know anything. It's an embarrassing disaster. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:25:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JPGRM008507 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JOaNX014771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JOYci066266; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JOUci066201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:24:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040608192423012001f14pe>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:24:23 +0000 Message-ID: <017d01c44d8e$3c549f10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608185406.69010.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:24:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! I like bartering too. It's still required to be reported for income (IRS Sucks), but it's more fun (I think). I've gotten some really cool services and stuff by doing this. For example, I got many hours from a guy friend of mine to help me move my stuff- twice! In return, I am getting to make some really cool italian ren SCA costumes for him. It's a wonderful way to get my 'work' out there in a different strata of folks than I usually get to see. So it all balances out in the end. I've still got your from your business class ideas on my mind, so I'll (hopefully) come up with a nice average for the typical folks. I've got another friend looking into the local theaters for me, for 'networking'. Happy stitches to all! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services >to loose you enjoyment or a higher pirce could mean that youa re earning your fun. I like the barterin! > g too. I > think it is because I am one of those weird women that enjoy negotiating and seeing what I can get, but still feel it is fair. > Just enjoy it and use that to guide you. I know many woudl disagree with that statement, but it is your drive in the end. > > Janet > > Gia wrote: > HI Katie! > > Hmmm...the idea is interesting. But, well, it is more important to know > where folks are financially. I know *MANY* of my friends, and their friends > too, that have been laid off, injured on the job (and thus on L&I) or just > financially hurting. > > So, while my friends say I'm not charging enough, I have no reason to not > believe them. But then I think, where would my customers and potential > customers get the money to pay what I may be worth? And besides, I'd be > selling only locally; I have paid attention to the financial picture of > those who (demographically speaking) would be interested in my work. They > could not afford what has been suggested to me by my friends. > > So, I am stuck not knowing what the heck I should charge. As I said, I'm > starting up my business, so I am having to reassess the situation > drastically. I'll do an evaluation of your suggestion (from your business > classes; thank you for sharing them!!) along with the other suggestions I've > already received. > > Hugs and many happy stitches. > > Emer \ Gia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katie Pleasance" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services > > > > One way to determine pricing is to start with a very reasonable price. For > > each following project, increase the price a bit. As time progresses, you > > will find that you are charging more than some customers can pay, but so > > long as there remain customers that are willing to pay the increased > price, > > keep raising the price. Eventually, you will reach a point where the price > > drives away so many potential customers that your profits go down. At that > > point, lower your price enough to bring back some of those 'lost' > > customers. Keep the price as high as possible without making yourself so > > expensive that your net profit goes down because you are charging more > than > > your customer-base is willing to pay. > > This is classical 'marginal pricing' in business-speak. This is the pure > > business way of looking at pricing. It does not take into account such > > things as loss-leader sales in order to increase business volume, etc. > > > > You might decide to charge less for certain customers. If you do so, > > remember that doing so is taking money out of your pocket. Also remember > > that if your higher-paying customers find out that you are giving > > preferential pricing, fewer people will be willing to pay the higher price > > because they will feel that they have been discriminated against. > > > > As always, my opinion. > > > > Katie > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:31:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JVYRM008540 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JRFNX015038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JRDci068276; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80501.mail.yahoo.com (web80501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58JRBci068194 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dme_maud@pacbell.net) Message-ID: <20040608192705.60161.qmail@web80501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.104.228.236] by web80501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:27:05 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dawn Jacobson To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406081554.i58FsoQh098688@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: weddingdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann Wass wrote: > > Don't know what the tax situation is in Canada or > Denmark, but another > consideration for me here in the US is that, if I > did sew for money, I would be > liable for over 40% in taxes--income tax, plus both > employer and employee shares > of the Social Security tax. So that $20 an hour > becomes more like $12. > > Of course, you can expense some of your gross income > away, like by buying a > new sewing machine. but not all of it, (And then > the issue would arise if you > used the machine ONLY for business.) The IRS > requires you to show a profit in > some years or they regard your "business" as a hobby > and you can't expense any > of it! > > I'm sure a number of small entrepeneurs don't report > their income, but I > believe in being honest with the government. Actually, in the United States, as the owner of a service business organized as a sole proprietorship (meaning there aren't any employees beyond the owner), you do not have to pay Social Security tax. You do, however, have to declare any income made over the expenses of the business, and pay taxes (at regular tax rates) on said income; this can range from approximately 15-30%. The IRS and most states (as the income must also be declared on state income taxes, but check with your state or your tax person) require that a "business" show a profit 3 years after establishment, or it is considered a "hobby": the difference being that you must still declare the income, but can't deduct the expenses for said "hobby." The advice I have received from a CPA friend with background in these matters is to not establish it as a business until such time as you might be listed as an "expense" by another business. An example of this might be if you get a commission to do a bunch of costume pieces for a "for profit" theatrical company or costume company. Of course, talk to a tax professional as they can give you the most up-to-date information for your locale. Dawn ===== Dawn Jacobson Vallejo, CA, USA Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:31:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JVqRM008544 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:31:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JU5NX015253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JTQci069913; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JSgci069407 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.15]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HZ00013P8PIHJ@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [167.206.5.71] (Forwarded-For: [167.206.224.2]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:27:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:27:28 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyway................ To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO you need to pu 2 /'s in the URL to make most systems turn it into a clickable link. Katheryne try this one http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Cheri Merideth Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2004 3:11 pm Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ > > Hollo everyone, > > I have been thinking about making the dress in this > painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) > > http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > > It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's Venice > > Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. > Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and where > it belongs? And do you think the bodice is attached > to the skirt or no? > > In service, > Anne > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:34:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JYqRM008564 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:34:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JX3NX015549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JX2ci072606; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JX0ci072536 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rampant_peacock@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.205.149 ([204.127.205.149]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040608193253016000rua9e>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:32:53 +0000 Received: from [198.91.8.12] by 204.127.205.149; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:32:54 +0000 From: rampant_peacock@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:32:54 +0000 Message-Id: <060820041932.11100.40C614660002D21600002B5C2200758942050C010C0E0A9FA19B020E9F030E9D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cmFtcGFudF9wZWFjb2NrQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn, I'm with you on this one. as American people yes we get to elect our government, BUT we also are stuck dealing with whatever crap has once again surfaced that is willing to do the job. We vote yes, but how many vote uninformed or from the hype our media force feeds us. The answer is too many. What can we do to change this? Keep trying. We currently live in a country were the rich get richer the poor get poorer and the middle class are starting to slide down. The world as a whole see us as a decadent people who live in constant luxury without seeing that those help us as such are the "lucky" few. We are hated becasue we tend to be the first and most vocal or visible on the site of a military problem but no one wants to remember we also tend to be the first on site of a disaster any where in the world as well offering assistance with no thought of recompense. We still as a country fill the idea on the statue of liberty that states " send us your poor, your down trodden your tired masses" and our government supports them shorting our own citizen to give them a chance and when we step up security to try and protect ourselves we are being hyper sensitive. Bjarne I'm saddened that you can so generally hate a country's people based on the actions of a minority. We as citizens struggle with it as well and are just as appalled. I extend my hand in friendship over a common love of history and recreating the beauty of the garments we each create and the beauty of ideas and information shared freely accros borders in an effort to advance that same idea. I hate politics as much as anyone else and I disturbed that a group such as this could have lines drawn between them by such things. Costume content: Want ot see a return of teh medievel ability to determine class by clothing? Watch American fashions for the next 5 years unless things change. Molly > Bjarne, > Many of us feel the exact same way you do about our government. Just when we > think we have a leader who believes in people around the world - one people > - like Jimmy Carter who won a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for his work, for God's > sake, we end up with someone like Ronny Reagen, who erased all Carter's good > work and moved us so far right that it took years to recover. Then we got > the father-son comedy team of the Bushes, who don't believe in world peace, > just oil money for the US, and what happens. Warm, wonderful people like > Bjarne dislike us. > > I rent an apartment too small for my husband, two children, me and our > hobbies, but that's all we can afford. I think we're the majority. But as > long as Bushes run the country and tax the middle-class and give the rich > tax benefits, we will continue to pay for the wars we don't believe in. > > Costume comment: as our hated governor and president, Ron Reagen sure did > wear well-fitted 20thC suits. And his wife's presidential gowns are in one > national museum or another back east. > > LynnD > Hating herself for ranting politics online > > > > On 6/8/04 11:35 AM, "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > > > I have seen your leaders so many times Reagan Bush, not the least Bush > > ................ > > I can understand that you hate the people who teared down your towers, but > > now we hear that your police people beats the Guantanamo people,. We have a > > danish citisent who was beaten by American POLICE > > i just want to tell you over there that you have to ease down here; we dont > > want you to spoil things here! > > bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! > > ----- Origil Message ----- > > From: "Cheri Merideth" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > > > > > >> Bjarne, > >> > >> how can you HATE people you don't even know? > >> > >> Anne > >> > >> --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > >> wrote: > >>> And > >>> Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > >>> I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses > >>> and letting your > >>> government take two much participation in european > >>> and world issue.< You > >>> love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > >>> We hate you over here in Europe!!! > >>> And you are two over weight also!! > >>> > >>> Bjarne > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:36:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Ja1RM008573 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:36:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JZONX015782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JZNci074329; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JZFci074171 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040608193507011001h6e8e>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: <01a601c44d8f$bccefb80$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608191143.25663.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:35:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Florentine Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! I think you are onto something. In the picture I just looked at, it looks like it might be 'hooked' in a few places to something hidden under the gown bodice, throug the chemise. Maybe the gown has hooks that hooks onto a 'pair of bodies' that is laced on, underneath the chemise? That'd be uncomfortable, I think, because the 'PoB' might chafe being against the skin? But maybe she's got one of those (currently disputed) sleeveless chemises on, under it? I think that would explain the bath house scenes paintings showing them? Certainly, there'd be no need for sleeves if wearing something meant only for under a "Pob"s, right? Just thinking 'out loud' on this list... Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri Merideth" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ > > Hollo everyone, > > I have been thinking about making the dress in this > painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) > > http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > > It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's Venice > > Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. > Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and where > it belongs? And do you think the bodice is attached > to the skirt or no? > > In service, > Anne > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:38:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JcNRM008592 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:38:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JbpNX016064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jboci076147; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f7.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JbMci075794 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:37:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:37:16 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:37:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:37:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 19:37:16.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[017068F0:01C44D90] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval underwear, coloured X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Lena Strid >Marc, if you want more examples of breeches, let me know. I've collected >quite a few images for my underwear lecture. Please. I'd be interested in any sort of input. thank you. >You wrote: > > It is interesting to note that shoes and body garments like breeches and >shirts are not mentioned in any of the estate inventories I've ever seen. >There are some undergarments mentioned in Swedish wills. thus underscoring why I said to be skeptical when people say anything definatively -- even me :) Marc _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:44:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JicRM008609 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JhbNX016720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JhXci080514; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:43:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JhUci080425 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:43:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1110136 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:43:24 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:43:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016d01c44d8d$34626e50$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Elizabethan peascod doublet imitated the armor of the time. The women's clothing of Victorian times showed military influence - the Scottish cap I can't remember the name of, zouave jackets, all that braid down the front of bodices and skirts. During WW I and WW II the clothing, hats and other accessories were very military in style. And I'm also remembering the Eisenhower jacket, popular near the end of WW II and into the 1950s, and popular again in the mid-70s. These are just a few examples off the top of my head. I'm sure you'd think of many more examples given a couple of minutes. LynnD On 6/8/04 12:17 PM, "Gia" wrote: > Bjarne....well, I don't think you should have kept your mouth shut... > Maybe could have gotten things off your chest to us (we are your efriends, I > think) a little better... > > We *do* want to hear what you think and feel...but maybe not generalize all > of us as the baddies? > > I mean, not all Germans were followers of Hitler or members of SS, right? > > One of the things I noticed over the years of my research that anytime there > is a major war, the fashions tend to adopt some of the military aspects of > the day. For example, the Landshneckt (spelling?) started the fashion for > slashing perfectly good garments of the day. There are others that I can't > bring to mind right now. I seem to vaguely recall that there were > militarily influenced garments in English fashions several times. Was there > during the Elizabethan, Victorian, Regency eras? > > I'd like to learn more about those periods and some suggestions for required > reading a web searching. > > In happy stitches, > > Emer \ Gia > just wanting to > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:35 AM >> bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:47:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JlkRM008628 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:47:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jl9NX017101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jl8ci083215; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51101.mail.yahoo.com (web51101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Jhqci080702 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608194347.35843.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:43:47 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <017d01c44d8e$3c549f10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gia, I agree! I almost NEVER have money, but I always have some time so doing things for other people in exchange for something. It's always been my way of doing things. Plus, you get to have that human graditude that is sometimes much better than cash. In service, Anne --- Gia wrote: > Hi! I like bartering too. It's still required to > be reported for income > (IRS Sucks), but it's more fun (I think). I've > gotten some really cool > services and stuff by doing this. For example, I > got many hours from a guy > friend of mine to help me move my stuff- twice! In > return, I am getting to > make some really cool italian ren SCA costumes for > him. > > It's a wonderful way to get my 'work' out there in a > different strata of > folks than I usually get to see. > > So it all balances out in the end. I've still got > your from your business > class ideas on my mind, so I'll (hopefully) come up > with a nice average for > the typical folks. I've got another friend looking > into the local theaters > for me, for 'networking'. > Happy stitches to all! > > Emer \ Gia ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:48:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Jm5RM008632 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:48:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JlMNX017138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JlKci083348; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58JjKci081801 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040608194515.6193.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:45:15 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:45:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <017d01c44d8e$3c549f10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Part of the problem with costuminf for theater or movies is that you must be in he costuming union for that. If you aren't in there then it is highly unlikely that you will get called or paid. I was told to get into it without all the paperwork that you must volunteer your time. THat is fine when it is regular street clothes, but come on. The number of hours it takes for 1 period costume let alone an entie cast is not worth it for a single mother who needs to ay the bills and put food on the table. It is a brutal side of the industry, the politics. I bring my stuff to set whenI am work there as an extra or the kids are and the crew get to see my work, but that is it so far, a few names dropped, but nothing comes of it. I am very happy sewing for a few customers and my family (which is huge) and also have another job. It will have to do until someone says wow, I'llgive you the chance. Janet Gia wrote: Hi! I like bartering too. It's still required to be reported for income (IRS Sucks), but it's more fun (I think). I've gotten some really cool services and stuff by doing this. For example, I got many hours from a guy friend of mine to help me move my stuff- twice! In return, I am getting to make some really cool italian ren SCA costumes for him. It's a wonderful way to get my 'work' out there in a different strata of folks than I usually get to see. So it all balances out in the end. I've still got your from your business class ideas on my mind, so I'll (hopefully) come up with a nice average for the typical folks. I've got another friend looking into the local theaters for me, for 'networking'. Happy stitches to all! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services >to loose you enjoyment or a higher pirce could mean that youa re earning your fun. I like the barterin! > g too. I > think it is because I am one of those weird women that enjoy negotiating and seeing what I can get, but still feel it is fair. > Just enjoy it and use that to guide you. I know many woudl disagree with that statement, but it is your drive in the end. > > Janet > > Gia wrote: > HI Katie! > > Hmmm...the idea is interesting. But, well, it is more important to know > where folks are financially. I know *MANY* of my friends, and their friends > too, that have been laid off, injured on the job (and thus on L&I) or just > financially hurting. > > So, while my friends say I'm not charging enough, I have no reason to not > believe them. But then I think, where would my customers and potential > customers get the money to pay what I may be worth? And besides, I'd be > selling only locally; I have paid attention to the financial picture of > those who (demographically speaking) would be interested in my work. They > could not afford what has been suggested to me by my friends. > > So, I am stuck not knowing what the heck I should charge. As I said, I'm > starting up my business, so I am having to reassess the situation > drastically. I'll do an evaluation of your suggestion (from your business > classes; thank you for sharing them!!) along with the other suggestions I've > already received. > > Hugs and many happy stitches. > > Emer \ Gia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katie Pleasance" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for services > > > > One way to determine pricing is to start with a very reasonable price. For > > each following project, increase the price a bit. As time progresses, you > > will find that you are charging more than some customers can pay, but so > > long as there remain customers that are willing to pay the increased > price, > > keep raising the price. Eventually, you will reach a point where the price > > drives away so many potential customers that your profits go down. At that > > point, lower your price enough to bring back some of those 'lost' > > customers. Keep the price as high as possible without making yourself so > > expensive that your net profit goes down because you are charging more > than > > your customer-base is willing to pay. > > This is classical 'marginal pricing' in business-speak. This is the pure > > business way of looking at pricing. It does not take into account such > > things as loss-leader sales in order to increase business volume, etc. > > > > You might decide to charge less for certain customers. If you do so, > > remember that doing so is taking money out of your pocket. Also remember > > that if your higher-paying customers find out that you are giving > > preferential pricing, fewer people will be willing to pay the higher price > > because they will feel that they have been discriminated against. > > > > As always, my opinion. > > > > Katie > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:48:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JmARM008635 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:48:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JlUNX017157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JlTci083446; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay99-f43.bay99.hotmail.com [65.54.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JjYci081927 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mazelle100@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:43:46 -0700 Received: from 216.250.67.130 by by99fd.bay99.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:43:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.250.67.130] X-Originating-Email: [mazelle100@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mazelle100@hotmail.com From: "Mazelle Attiya" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: weddingdress Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:43:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 19:43:46.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9B43FB0:01C44D90] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn, I would advise you to get a new CPA. As a sole proprietor you are responsible for self employment taxes which is in addtion to the regular taxes. Also, it doesn't matter whether you are a business or not for another company to list you as an expense on their taxes. If they wrote a check to you then it is a legitimate expense and it can be traced back to you. I am currently an accountant but used to have my own custom sewing business. Mazelle (who's been lurking for awhile) >From: Dawn Jacobson >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Re: weddingdress >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) > >Ann Wass wrote: > > > > Don't know what the tax situation is in Canada or > > Denmark, but another > > consideration for me here in the US is that, if I > > did sew for money, I would be > > liable for over 40% in taxes--income tax, plus both > > employer and employee shares > > of the Social Security tax. So that $20 an hour > > becomes more like $12. > > > > Of course, you can expense some of your gross income > > away, like by buying a > > new sewing machine. but not all of it, (And then > > the issue would arise if you > > used the machine ONLY for business.) The IRS > > requires you to show a profit in > > some years or they regard your "business" as a hobby > > and you can't expense any > > of it! > > > > I'm sure a number of small entrepeneurs don't report > > their income, but I > > believe in being honest with the government. > >Actually, in the United States, as the owner of a >service business organized as a sole proprietorship >(meaning there aren't any employees beyond the owner), >you do not have to pay Social Security tax. You do, >however, have to declare any income made over the >expenses of the business, and pay taxes (at regular >tax rates) on said income; this can range from >approximately 15-30%. The IRS and most states (as the >income must also be declared on state income taxes, >but check with your state or your tax person) require >that a "business" show a profit 3 years after >establishment, or it is considered a "hobby": the >difference being that you must still declare the >income, but can't deduct the expenses for said >"hobby." > >The advice I have received from a CPA friend with >background in these matters is to not establish it as >a business until such time as you might be listed as >an "expense" by another business. An example of this >might be if you get a commission to do a bunch of >costume pieces for a "for profit" theatrical company >or costume company. > >Of course, talk to a tax professional as they can give >you the most up-to-date information for your locale. > >Dawn > >===== >Dawn Jacobson >Vallejo, CA, USA > >Clothes are just the costumes we wear every day. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN House & Home. http://coldwellbanker.msn.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:56:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JuuRM008686 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jt7NX024930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jsrci088989; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JlMci083313 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040608194714016000qpste>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:47:14 +0000 Message-ID: <01e401c44d91$6e678050$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:47:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashions in war history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! This gives me a start..! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? > The Elizabethan peascod doublet imitated the armor of the time. The women's > clothing of Victorian times showed military influence - the Scottish cap I > can't remember the name of, zouave jackets, all that braid down the front of > bodices and skirts. During WW I and WW II the clothing, hats and other > accessories were very military in style. And I'm also remembering the > Eisenhower jacket, popular near the end of WW II and into the 1950s, and > popular again in the mid-70s. These are just a few examples off the top of > my head. I'm sure you'd think of many more examples given a couple of > minutes. > > LynnD > > > On 6/8/04 12:17 PM, "Gia" wrote: > > > Bjarne....well, I don't think you should have kept your mouth shut... > > Maybe could have gotten things off your chest to us (we are your efriends, I > > think) a little better... > > > > We *do* want to hear what you think and feel...but maybe not generalize all > > of us as the baddies? > > > > I mean, not all Germans were followers of Hitler or members of SS, right? > > > > One of the things I noticed over the years of my research that anytime there > > is a major war, the fashions tend to adopt some of the military aspects of > > the day. For example, the Landshneckt (spelling?) started the fashion for > > slashing perfectly good garments of the day. There are others that I can't > > bring to mind right now. I seem to vaguely recall that there were > > militarily influenced garments in English fashions several times. Was there > > during the Elizabethan, Victorian, Regency eras? > > > > I'd like to learn more about those periods and some suggestions for required > > reading a web searching. > > > > In happy stitches, > > > > Emer \ Gia > > just wanting to > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:35 AM > >> bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 15:57:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58JvfRM008689 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JtrNX024986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jtqci089688; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51107.mail.yahoo.com (web51107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Jphci086384 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608195136.44405.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:51:36 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyway................ To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, thanks. As you can tell, this is not my strong suit. In service, Anne --- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > you need to pu 2 /'s in the URL to make most systems > turn it into a clickable link. > > Katheryne > > try this one > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cheri Merideth > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2004 3:11 pm > Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ > > > > > Hollo everyone, > > > > I have been thinking about making the dress in > this > > painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) > > > > > http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > > > > It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's > Venice > > > > Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. > > Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and > where > > it belongs? And do you think the bodice is > attached > > to the skirt or no? > > > > In service, > > Anne > > > > ===== > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will > be > > those you know hereafter." > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:00:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58K0JRM008701 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:00:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JxiNX025365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jxhci092562; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jspci088901 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040608195443011001cdfge>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:54:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c44d92$79b8ba90$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608194347.35843.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:54:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anne, that is so true! The look on their faces when I tell them (after I've measured them) that they have to come in to fit the pattern and then the muslin toile *before* I'll cut the fashion fabric is just too funny! Apparently the folks who've 'bartered' with them before just took the measurements and hoped for the best. *grin*. I don't do things that way. This has been a very good thing because whenever I need a 'favor' I know they will be prompt in volunteering, they *know* that I'll do a really good barter. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia > > Plus, you get to have that human graditude that is > sometimes much better than cash. > > In service, > Anne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:00:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58K0jRM008704 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:00:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K01NX025420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K00ci092809; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51110.mail.yahoo.com (web51110.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Jwpci091868 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608195846.12600.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:58:46 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <01a601c44d8f$bccefb80$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gia, I had not thought of hooks. Interesting. I'm not sure how that would work with the chemise. You'd have to have a special one just for this dress. I'm just wondering if this is just a "pose dress" and not practical for acutally wearing.? I'd hate to make it and find out all I can do while wearing it is to sit on my bum and look pretty. haha! In service, Anne --- Gia wrote: > Hi! I think you are onto something. In the picture > I just looked at, it > looks like it might be 'hooked' in a few places to > something hidden under > the gown bodice, throug the chemise. Maybe the gown > has hooks that hooks > onto a 'pair of bodies' that is laced on, underneath > the chemise? That'd be > uncomfortable, I think, because the 'PoB' might > chafe being against the > skin? But maybe she's got one of those (currently > disputed) sleeveless > chemises on, under it? I think that would explain > the bath house scenes > paintings showing them? Certainly, there'd be no > need for sleeves if > wearing something meant only for under a "Pob"s, > right? > > Just thinking 'out loud' on this list... > > Emer \ Gia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheri Merideth" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ > > > > > > Hollo everyone, > > > > I have been thinking about making the dress in > this > > painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) > > > > > http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > > > > It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's > Venice > > > > Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. > > Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and > where > > it belongs? And do you think the bodice is > attached > > to the skirt or no? > > > > In service, > > Anne > > > > ===== > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will > be > > those you know hereafter." > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58K10RM008707 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:01:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JxrNX025394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Jxqci092689; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58JuXci090113 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040608195625011001k1u4e>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:56:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c44d92$b7030950$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608194515.6193.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:56:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, I didn't know! Thank you for sharing that information. Hmmm. Janet, how does one get into a costuming union? I certainly can NOT afford to volunteer my services. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Part of the problem with costuminf for theater or movies is that you must be in he costuming union for that. If you aren't in there then it is highly unlikely that you will get called or paid. I was told to get into it without all the paperwork that you must volunteer your time. THat is fine when it is regular street clothes, but come on. The number of hours it takes for 1 period costume let alone an entie cast is not worth it for a single mother who needs to ay the bills and put food on the table. It is a brutal side of the industry, the politics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:08:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58K8VRM008725 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:08:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K7kNX026894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K7hci098780; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K0Jci093037 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.68]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040608200008.LKVN28685.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <021101c44d93$13785140$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:59:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just finished ( I hope) putting the spring-steel boning into a new 16th C corset, wow it's surprisingly heavy, yet much thinner than my old one. I'm off to go pound some grommets... What is everyone else working on? Sheridan *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* They say that the pen is mightier than the sword, but which one would you rather be hit with? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:11:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KBERM008755 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:11:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K9DNX027124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K8vci099628; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K6Tci097778 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i58K6RrY017667 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040608160420.01c09358@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:06:30 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyway................ In-Reply-To: <20040608191143.25663.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi there... I do like Moretto, nice sense of composition and color. The dress, very nice. Think I'd like one myself. ; > I would say the bodice is stiffened with multiple layers of cloth - my guess. But what really catches my eye is the chemise. I'm a sucker for white work. Good luck, and please share the finished product with us. Mari / Bridgette >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > >It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's Venice > >Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. >Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and where >it belongs? And do you think the bodice is attached >to the skirt or no? > >In service, >Anne > >===== >Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >those you know hereafter." > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:11:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KBERM008756 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KAMNX027349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KAJci000887; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K6uci098109 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.197.2a807848 (4394) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <197.2a807848.2df77654@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:06:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, folks, maybe I set this off by my mention of U.S. taxes. Anyway, I agree--PLEASE let us keep politics out of this site. I have very strong opinions, too, but won't air them here. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:13:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KDSRM008764 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:13:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KBcNX027595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KBaci001903; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:11:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58K9fci000208 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.84.2b66d107 (4394) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <84.2b66d107.2df776fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:09:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2004 4:00:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: Part of the problem with costuminf for theater or movies is that you must be in he costuming union for that. At least for theater, not always and everywhere. I worked as a paid overhire for one of the professional theaters here in DC and did not have to be union. I did get paid, but it wasn't enough to compensate for the long hours and difficult personalities I had to work with, in my opinion. But I'm glad I had the experience. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:20:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KKCRM008782 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJKNX029594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJIci008000; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KC0ci002169 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1110296 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:11:55 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:11:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040608195846.12600.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was thinking the same; this can't be a real-world dress. It's gorgeous and I'd love to own it, right down to the belt! (How did she do that?) However, the curving of a body would force the tops of the bodice apart much more than they are as posed, even with boning down the front unless they were connected to either each other or to the clothing underneath. We can see there's no connection between right front and left front bodice pieces. If there were hooks from the bodices to the chemise, that chemise would have spread apart and those lovely pleats wouldn't be there. It's not realistic to think that the hooks and eyes go through the chemise to something underneath the chemise. The only possible way for it to work is if the chemise is a fake, as the Victorians and Edwardians made, and there's no research I've seen or heard of to support this guess in the 1540s. Can anyone else think of any possible way for the front of the bodice to stay up like that and maintain the chemise pleats also? Except, of course, if the bodice was metal covered with fabric. LynnD Wishing I could think of a way to work that dress in the real world. On 6/8/04 12:58 PM, "Cheri Merideth" wrote: > Gia, > > I had not thought of hooks. Interesting. I'm not > sure how that would work with the chemise. You'd have > to have a special one just for this dress. > > I'm just wondering if this is just a "pose dress" and > not practical for acutally wearing.? I'd hate to make > it and find out all I can do while wearing it is to > sit on my bum and look pretty. haha! > > In service, > Anne > > > --- Gia wrote: >> Hi! I think you are onto something. In the picture >> I just looked at, it >> looks like it might be 'hooked' in a few places to >> something hidden under >> the gown bodice, throug the chemise. Maybe the gown >> has hooks that hooks >> onto a 'pair of bodies' that is laced on, underneath >> the chemise? That'd be >> uncomfortable, I think, because the 'PoB' might >> chafe being against the >> skin? But maybe she's got one of those (currently >> disputed) sleeveless >> chemises on, under it? I think that would explain >> the bath house scenes >> paintings showing them? Certainly, there'd be no >> need for sleeves if >> wearing something meant only for under a "Pob"s, >> right? >> >> Just thinking 'out loud' on this list... >> >> Emer \ Gia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheri Merideth" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:11 PM >> Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ >> >> >>> >>> Hollo everyone, >>> >>> I have been thinking about making the dress in >> this >>> painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) >>> >>> >> > http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html >>> >>> It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's >> Venice >>> >>> Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. >>> Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and >> where >>> it belongs? And do you think the bodice is >> attached >>> to the skirt or no? >>> >>> In service, >>> Anne >>> >>> ===== >>> Go softly and gently for those you meet here will >> be >>> those you know hereafter." >>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:20:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KKNRM008785 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJVNX029644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJVci008184; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KCcci002660 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i58KCZrY022361 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040608160935.01befc68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:12:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <060820041932.11100.40C614660002D21600002B5C2200758942050C0 10C0E0A9FA19B020E9F030E9D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] determining class by clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Molly made an interesting point... >Costume content: Want ot see a return of teh medievel ability to >determine class by clothing? Watch American fashions for the next 5 years >unless things change. > >Molly I've been pondering very much the same thing. Especially today as I stood in line at the cafeteria where I work, and just noticed how badly the clothing fit, how thin the fabrics, how laching in tailoring or style. Interesting... the masses are moving towards greater schlumpiness and the minority is too, to some degree, in imitation. very interesting... It will be an interesting trend to watch. Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:20:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KKgRM008788 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJnNX029698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJlci008398; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KIvcj007691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip092073.uvm.edu [132.198.92.73]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KIo91012346 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: <40C61F28.9010009@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:18:48 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? References: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <016d01c44d8d$34626e50$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> In-Reply-To: <016d01c44d8d$34626e50$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To add to the list: Regency: military influence in spencers (short jackets), pelisse's (long coats), and riding habits--frogs, lacing, epaulettes, more severe cut, etc. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:20:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KKjRM008791 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJfNX029663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KJdci008301; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KDRci003316 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1f0.22a732f1 (25711) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.22a732f1.2df777db@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:13:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2004 3:17:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, gia_gavino@comcast.net writes: > There are others that I can't > bring to mind right now. Well, pockets seem to be one thing that goes military fast. It happens in 1870s America to imitate 18th century....or Revolutionary War.... pockets. Also WWI and WWII. And women get to dress in drag! Can you imagine the reverse in time of peace? Men in chiffon...the war must be over! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:30:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KUsRM008825 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:30:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KTeNX000806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KTdci015851; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KT5ci015398 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.15]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HZ00048MBKGZT@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [167.206.5.79] (Forwarded-For: [167.206.224.2]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:28:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:28:57 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] determining class by clothing To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here at work I see it on a more exagerated scale... The high office types have been slowly going from formal office to casual office to almost jeans & sweatshirts The middle office went from casual office to jeans & 'high quality' sweatshirts The under clerks went from casual office to jeans to sloppy And here I am a wierdo continuing to wear my mid-level office clothes in resistance to the latest fashion of wearing your 'grungies' to an office building. Katheryne who is still wearing her linen & silks ----- Original Message ----- From: M Stewart > > Molly made an interesting point... > > >Costume content: Want ot see a return of teh medievel ability to > >determine class by clothing? Watch American fashions for the > next 5 years unless things change. > > > >Molly > > I've been pondering very much the same thing. Especially today as > I stood in line at the cafeteria where I work, and just noticed how badly > the clothing fit, how thin the fabrics, how laching in tailoring or > style. Interesting... the masses are moving towards greater > schlumpiness and the minority is too, to some degree, in imitation. > > very interesting... It will be an interesting trend to watch. > > Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:31:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KVZRM008830 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KTTNX000766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KTRci015702; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KM2ci010128 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.42.50010b9c (4394) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <42.50010b9c.2df779da@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:21:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America..back on costuming, please? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2004 4:20:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Regency: military influence in spencers (short jackets), pelisse's (long coats), and riding habits--frogs, lacing, epaulettes, more severe cut, etc. Ah, yes, the whole "a la Hussar" look. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:36:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KafRM008845 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KYiNX001336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KYhci019778; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (ip250.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KUscj016783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067D0DBBF7 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 33BACDBBF6 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <083c01c44d97$7c830be0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406081509.11388.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:30:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Plumb" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > That's not fair, Bjarne. > > Lots of us aren't loud or obnoxious, don't live in big houses or "allow" our > government to run roughshod over the rest of the world. > > It's just not fair to assume the whole country behaves like a select few. > Michelle I ahve to agree. Frankly, Bjarne, I thought we were friends. That really felt like a totally unexpected slap in the face. My husband and I work HARD for what little we have--which is a little bit of furniture, a mini van not even half paid for, and a rented 3 bedroom house. I would LOVE to have a big house, but as long as my husband is in radio, it isn't gonna happen. Greg loves his job, and is excited about going to work each day. I think a happy husband is more important than stuff. Maybe you are getting too many ideas about every day life in the US from television Hurt Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:41:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Kf9RM008870 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:41:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KarNX001602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Kaqci021365; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51102.mail.yahoo.com (web51102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.144]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Ka0ci020690 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608203555.64153.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:35:55 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyway................ To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040608160420.01c09358@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO well, I'm off to cut some fabric up and see where this bodice goes from here. i'll touch back later. Thank you all. In service, Anne ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:41:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KfbRM008873 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KdZNX001920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KdYci023402; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sort (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KcEci022364 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-121.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.121]) by sort (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Kc2G1029089 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:38:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040608123734.016ffe40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:39:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >My personal favourite happened to lady who was in my Naval unit as well as >being in the SCA - she curtsied instead of saluting an officer on parade. >Luckily he was so bemused that she didn't get in any trouble over it... Tourney all weekend, driving long distance there and back in car full of SCAers, working Monday morning on not enough sleep, called manager of Jack in the Box (fast food restaurant) Milord. Woke me up. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:45:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58KjtRM008890 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KiuNX002540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Kirci027516; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KiDcj026931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58KhN2x014092 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:43:23 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C6251B.3050001@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:44:11 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America References: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >We hate you over here in Europe! I certainly wouldn't want you to feel you had to talk with people you hate, Bjarne. I'll miss hearing about your beautiful projects. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent I have a simple-sounding solution for much political ill: fire the speechwriters; make the candidates & office holders write their own material. This would remove the blandness, the spin-doctoring, and the nicey-nicey masks that folks wear when delivering someone else's work. Then we'll *really* know who we're voting for. -- cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 16:49:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Kn3RM008990 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KmINX003006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58KmIci030294; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58KmGci030168 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OriwKBG34GnzQ0MggKyZXGA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JXMPBC65; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:47:31 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:37:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20040608.134645.1628.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] help sought in finding a stitch X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO has anyone here ever heard of Breton stitch? 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:30:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LULRM009317 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LRxNX007246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LRtci061031; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LRoci060901 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BXo8H-0003bK-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:27:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:50:49 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? References: <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113901.029aba98@mail.katiesorchids.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113901.029aba98@mail.katiesorchids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But I'm afraid the island of Sark is in the Channel Islands, (south of England, next to Normandy) not in Scotland. Don't know if it's renowned for alcohol, but it won't be whisky! Jean Katie Pleasance wrote >Ah, your information fits in quite well with mine. I remember seeing >the metal shirt on the masthead. You remember other things ... >together, it makes a good story ... > >(and so long as we keep returning to the chemise, it stays on topic .) > >Katie > >At 07:09 PM 6/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >>"Cutty Sark" as a name for scotch or the famous tea clipper, is a >>reference from Robert Burns' "Tam o'Shanter". He comes upon a group >>of witches and warlocks dancing, and they have thrown off their >>clothes and are dancing just in their *sarks*. One of the witches is >>particularly young and attractive and wearing a particularly short >>chemise, and like a fool he draws her attention by shouting out "well >>done, cutty-sark". She chases him and nearly catches him, but when she >>has his horse by the tail, the horse gets away over the river leaving >>its tail in the witch's hand. >> >>The figurehead of the ship Cutty Sark is a young woman (well endowed >>and scantily dressed), reaching out to grab something. >>Jean > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:31:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LVORM009320 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:31:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LUcNX007547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LUVci063090; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LSLci061347 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.5b.50a099c7 (3948) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.50a099c7.2df7896b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:28:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i58LVORM009320 Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/04 3:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time, cvirtue+dated+1102279403.9766e9@thibault.org writes: I certainly wouldn't want you to feel you had to talk with people you hate, Bjarne. I'll miss hearing about your beautiful projects. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Why, thank you, Cynthia ... I was starting to wonder if I was insane here, or what, and I was the only person who thinks Bjarne needs to take a very long walk off a very short pier, post haste. I have been sitting here reading through this afternoon's posts with my jaw almost down to my lap ... NOT because of the asinine and utterly demented comments made by Bjarne, but by the pandering and attempts at reasoning that I have seen the very people that he insulted engaging in, trying to MAKE him like you. Are you people nuts? Have we really sunk to such bizarre levels of low self image in the US that when someone makes a mentally disturbed, unprovoked, witless personal attack, which has absolutely no basis in reality OR politics but is simply intended to inflame and provoke, that we not only don't get upset, we APOLOGIZE FOR LIVING???? Whether your politics lead you to support or oppose the current conflict, the statement that was made had nothing to do with the current conflict. It was simply a childish tantrum, and a pointless one at that. Gee whiz, the US is the world's police, and this spectacular insight is somehow supposed to make Bjarne a political genius? It's only been that way for a little over a century now. Pardon me if I'm less than floored by a level of astuteness that is able to take a worn out platitude he got off some self-proclaimed political analyst on the nightly news, and parrot it back out with absolutely no comprehension or grounds for what he's stating. Other countries don't like us? Well, gosh, again, I'm really floored there ... because heaven knows that up until now, the nation to whom it has fallen to be the superpower of its age, has always been SO well liked by the nations who couldn't keep up. You know what? The American empire (if you will) may come to an end one day, violently or otherwise ... but by God, people throughout posterity will remember with awe and respect who we WERE, if not always with wholehearted approval. I'd much rather be part of that than some country like Uruguay that no one can even pick out on a globe, or any country that sits back on its ass watching what happens around the world and doesn't have the guts, courage, or werewithal to get up and do something. We screw up, yes. We have imperfect intentions and imperfect outcomes at times, yes. But we also do INESTIMABLE good all around the globe, and I don't see the liberal media or halfwits like Bjarne taking any of that into account when they spout their cant. And Americans are all fat? Wow. I thought it was only in AOL chatrooms that prepubescent, semi-literate teenagers resorted to the "you're FAT!" remarks when they ran out of intelligent responses ... but hey, I'm always grateful to learn something new. Bjarne, you smell funny. So there!!! (hey, that felt good, let me think of a "yo mamma" ....) I mean, seriously, folks ... this is the mentality that you are trying to reason with and are calling a "friend". UNBELIEVABLE. I honestly don't know who I'm more disgusted with - the foul-mouthed, small-minded, teenage-mentality-wanna-be who provoked all this, or the people who actually sat here trying to appease him by explaining that some of us are really struggling, by gosh. Good God, people - where's your sense of pride in YOURSELF, if you don't have any in your country??? To Bjarne himself - assuming that you're not still looking up all the big words in my post so far - the only thing that I disagree with Cynthia's post on, is that I won't be missing ANY of your inanities, your constant and shameless self promotion, and your pathetically illegible attempts at our language. Apparently your grasp of our country as a whole is right about on a par with your grasp of our language, and sugar, that ain't saying much. If others on the list hate me for what I've said here, that's absolutely fine with me. I'm with the government on this one - I'd rather go down fighting for what I think is right, than sit on my butt and be a spectator when I believe something is wrong. -Tiffany Nemo me impune lacessit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:34:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LY1RM009332 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LXONX007804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LXLci065134; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LXIcj065088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58LbNHN005964 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:37:26 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608142430.00b7f8d0@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:33:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? -- Chivalry In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040608123734.016ffe40@mail.frys.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a little off the 'normal' off-topic topic : I had a flat on the freeway today. Not good, especially as it was a front tire and it went down instantly, which made steering difficult. I pulled over to a safe place, turned on the 4-way blinkers and lifted the hood to indicate that I had a problem. Then I started to pull the spare out of the back. (Cell phone? Nah ...) Before I had the jack out, a man with earrings and tattoos pulled over and offered to help. Within minutes I was back on the road. The moral of the story? 1. Chivalry still exists. 2. Don't judge a guy by his jewelry and tattoos. 3. Wearing a very full-skirted, lightweight sun-dress on a very windy day probably helped, even though I'm nearly 60 . 4. Many men like women who can do things themselves but also like to help women. Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:37:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LbWRM009346 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LauNX008283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Latci067977; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lanci067908 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from 209-165-50-137.jps.net ([209.165.50.137] helo=stephen) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BXoH2-0001Pg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:36:49 -0700 Message-ID: <00a801c44da0$12848f80$8932a5d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040607183833.94188.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish courtdress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:32:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff60838e0026979530c9157a90caf81804bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Anne I don't remember where I ran across it, but I just loved it when I say it. My favorite is: "One thing you got to say about the Republicans, they don't give up easily. Impeach Clinton, steal Florida, redistrict Texas, recall Davis. You know what, these guys had better watch out or they're going to get slapped with the reputation of being extremely sore losers." But I don't us it too much because it can produce negative messages. GRIN Stephen Bergdahl - Lord Vich I could pay off my tab, pour myself in a cab, And be back to work by two. But at a moment like this I can't help but wonder? What would Jimmy Buffet do? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri Merideth" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish courtdress > > Stephen > > > > The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals > > and 362 admonishments to > > heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't > > love heterosexuals. It's > > just that they need more supervision. ~ Lynn Lavner > > > > Stephen, > > I love your sign off...it's the first real laugh I've > had today! I hope you (nor Lynn Lavner) don't mind me > shareing it with others. It's great. > > I'm a newbie, in fact, yours is only the 4th e-mail > i've read, and lots more to go..... > > Anne > > > > ===== > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:42:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LgSRM009372 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:42:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LfbNX008761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LfZci071689; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LfUcj071617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58LjZHN008095 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608143648.02835b60@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:41:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] determining class by clothing In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040608160935.01befc68@postoffice8.mail.cornell .edu> References: <060820041932.11100.40C614660002D21600002B5C2200758942050C0 10C0E0A9FA19B020E9F030E9D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I completely agree. The quality of construction of ready-to-wear is abysmal. The styling is just as bad. It's as though our society glorifies that which is degraded and wants to emulate it in the quality and style of their clothes. When was the last generation that wore well-fitted clothes? The Kennedy era? Anybody who grew up since then has never experienced well-fitting, well-tailored clothes and therefore doesn't know what it is. As always, my opinion. Katie, who has been very talkative today . >I've been pondering very much the same thing. Especially today as I stood >in line at the cafeteria where I work, and just noticed how badly the >clothing fit, how thin the fabrics, how laching in tailoring or >style. Interesting... the masses are moving towards greater schlumpiness >and the minority is too, to some degree, in imitation. >very interesting... It will be an interesting trend to watch. >Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:45:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LjtRM009378 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LjINX009107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LjEci074706; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LjDci074675 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXoP9-0004k3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:45:11 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:45:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c44da1$e8c3b570$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200406081727.i58HRoQg072432@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Name Tape Supplier-thanks for the link. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is great! I had tried in the past to find some but they had such huge minimums! > (http://www.sterlingnametape.com) or any other tape site and order yourself _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:52:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LqURM009414 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:52:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LpiNX009796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lphci079503; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LoVcj078661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58LscHN010389 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:54:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608144930.0277cd68@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:50:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [h-cost] Sark? In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113901.029aba98@mail.katiesorchids.com> <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <00eb01c44d58$51fe5620$cb6afea9@sherry> <5.2.0.9.0.20040608113901.029aba98@mail.katiesorchids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops! There goes my credibility! At least I'm sure the ship information was correct. Katie, hiding behind a pillar At 07:50 PM 6/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >But I'm afraid the island of Sark is in the Channel Islands, (south of >England, next to Normandy) not in Scotland. Don't know if it's renowned >for alcohol, but it won't be whisky! >Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:52:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LqgRM009417 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:52:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LpsNX009825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lprci079639; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lp8ci079078 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D32318F06 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:51:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p116.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.118]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 57874D4B0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:51:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florentine Gown Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a thought, perhaps the artist forgot to paint the lacings. If you look at the opening of the chemise you can see cleavage and not PoB. As for a corset/PoB next to the skin, if it were made of linen it would be breathable. My 2 cents De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:53:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58LrCRM009425 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LnbNX009576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lnaci077883; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LnYci077820 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyro@comcast.net) Received: from lightfoot (pcp04615791pcs.gambrl01.md.comcast.net[68.50.121.37]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200406082149260110019uufe>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:49:26 +0000 Message-ID: <06ba01c44da2$118c13d0$0200a8c0@lightfoot> From: "Ro" To: References: <200406081807.i58I70Qh004640@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ot: America X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have no idea what caused that little diatribe, but I think Bjarne should apologize forthwith and be put on moderation of all posts or tossed off the list. Ro, came here to learn but not garbage like this. http://www.livejournal.com/users/ladyrowansplace/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:58:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Lw6RM009456 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LuKNX010191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lu6ci082687; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (fed1rmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.241.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lpici079449 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mudsleidi@cox.net) Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.53]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040608215134.YRLX29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:51:34 -0400 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] determining class by clothing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:51:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040608215134.YRLX29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Delurking to agree with you both here. This aspect of recent culture pervades more than just clothing, when you consider where the majority of Americans spend their cash. I'd like some crap, please, and could you Supersize that for me? Cheers, Heidi I completely agree. The quality of construction of ready-to-wear is abysmal. The styling is just as bad. It's as though our society glorifies that which is degraded and wants to emulate it in the quality and style of their clothes. When was the last generation that wore well-fitted clothes? The Kennedy era? Anybody who grew up since then has never experienced well-fitting, well-tailored clothes and therefore doesn't know what it is. As always, my opinion. Katie, who has been very talkative today . >I've been pondering very much the same thing. Especially today as I stood >in line at the cafeteria where I work, and just noticed how badly the >clothing fit, how thin the fabrics, how laching in tailoring or >style. Interesting... the masses are moving towards greater schlumpiness >and the minority is too, to some degree, in imitation. >very interesting... It will be an interesting trend to watch. >Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ============================================================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 17:59:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58Lx2RM009464 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LwMNX010427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LwLci084422; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Luoci083151 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890864264A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40C635FD.4000407@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:56:13 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's got those wrinkles on either side of the front bodice that you get from wearing a dress that is laced closed. It looks to me like the lacing has been removed, or not painted in. You can almost see where there might be rings on the sitter's right side, where the fabric pulls just a bit out of straight. Dawn Lynn Downward wrote: > We can see > there's no connection between right front and left front bodice pieces. If > there were hooks from the bodices to the chemise, that chemise would have > spread apart and those lovely pleats wouldn't be there. It's not realistic > to think that the hooks and eyes go through the chemise to something > underneath the chemise. >> >>I had not thought of hooks. Interesting. I'm not >>sure how that would work with the chemise. You'd have >>to have a special one just for this dress. >> >>>looks like it might be 'hooked' in a few places to >>>something hidden under >>>the gown bodice, throug the chemise. Maybe the gown >>>has hooks that hooks >>>onto a 'pair of bodies' that is laced on, underneath >>>the chemise? >>> >>http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html >> >>>>It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:00:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58M0XRM009478 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:00:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LwiNX010478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lwgci084671; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Lugci083071 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:56:37 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:56:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:57:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 21:56:37.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[788E3490:01C44DA3] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whao, where did that come from? Bjarne? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] ot America > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your > government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58M5XRM009501 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:05:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58M3SNX010910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58M3Pci088244; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav15.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58LxYci085304 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:59:29 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav15.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:59:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:00:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 21:59:29.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF3BE930:01C44DA3] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > bjarne _ who should have kept his mouth shot!! Yes bjarne, I think you'd better shut up, or you'll end up being busted from this list. I really, really respected you until now, but I'm starting to think you seriously lack perspective. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:08:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58M8GRM009507 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:08:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58M68NX011327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58M68ci090304; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58M4Cci088742 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:03:53 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:03:53 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashions in war history X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.65 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't forget the Hussar hats, bicorns, etc... and military-style braid worn on ladies clothing (particularly riding habits) during the Napoleonic wars. It is rather interesting how much one area of society affects another... Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >Thank you! This gives me a start..! > >Emer \ Gia >----- Original Message ----- >> The Elizabethan peascod doublet imitated the armor of the time. The >women's >> clothing of Victorian times showed military influence - the Scottish cap I >> can't remember the name of, zouave jackets, all that braid down the front >of >> bodices and skirts. During WW I and WW II the clothing, hats and other >> accessories were very military in style. And I'm also remembering the >> Eisenhower jacket, popular near the end of WW II and into the 1950s, and >> popular again in the mid-70s. These are just a few examples off the top of >> my head. I'm sure you'd think of many more examples given a couple of >> minutes. >> >> LynnD Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:16:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58MGiRM009581 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MB2NX011795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MAxci094275; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58MAuci094175 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:10:36 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:10:36 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think you have to take this painting with a dump-truck load of salt. It is clearly a mannerist image and is by definition very stylized. I think you you approached the garment like the ones we do have better evidence for around this time period - buckram stiffened at best you will be on the right path. Besides which, this gown would probably have been worn over some sort of kirtle layer for the green sleeves to attach to, although they could be pinned or tied to the pinkinsh dress, personally I think this is less likely. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:11:55 From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Cc: >I was thinking the same; this can't be a real-world dress. It's gorgeous and >I'd love to own it, right down to the belt! (How did she do that?) However, >the curving of a body would force the tops of the bodice apart much more >than they are as posed, even with boning down the front unless they were >connected to either each other or to the clothing underneath. We can see >there's no connection between right front and left front bodice pieces. If >there were hooks from the bodices to the chemise, that chemise would have >spread apart and those lovely pleats wouldn't be there. It's not realistic >to think that the hooks and eyes go through the chemise to something >underneath the chemise. The only possible way for it to work is if the >chemise is a fake, as the Victorians and Edwardians made, and there's no >research I've seen or heard of to support this guess in the 1540s. Can >anyone else think of any possible way for the front of the bodice to stay up >like that and maintain the chemise pleats also? Except, of course, if the >bodice was metal covered with fabric. > > >LynnD >Wishing I could think of a way to work that dress in the real world. > >On 6/8/04 12:58 PM, "Cheri Merideth" wrote: > >> Gia, >> >> I had not thought of hooks. Interesting. I'm not >> sure how that would work with the chemise. You'd have >> to have a special one just for this dress. >> >> I'm just wondering if this is just a "pose dress" and >> not practical for acutally wearing.? I'd hate to make >> it and find out all I can do while wearing it is to >> sit on my bum and look pretty. haha! >> >> In service, >> Anne >> >> >> --- Gia wrote: >>> Hi! I think you are onto something. In the picture >>> I just looked at, it >>> looks like it might be 'hooked' in a few places to >>> something hidden under >>> the gown bodice, throug the chemise. Maybe the gown >>> has hooks that hooks >>> onto a 'pair of bodies' that is laced on, underneath >>> the chemise? That'd be >>> uncomfortable, I think, because the 'PoB' might >>> chafe being against the >>> skin? But maybe she's got one of those (currently >>> disputed) sleeveless >>> chemises on, under it? I think that would explain >>> the bath house scenes >>> paintings showing them? Certainly, there'd be no >>> need for sleeves if >>> wearing something meant only for under a "Pob"s, >>> right? >>> >>> Just thinking 'out loud' on this list... >>> >>> Emer \ Gia >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cheri Merideth" >>> To: "Historical Costume" >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:11 PM >>> Subject: [h-cost] Anyway................ >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hollo everyone, >>>> >>>> I have been thinking about making the dress in >>> this >>>> painting (crossing fingers this takes you there) >>>> >>>> >>> >> http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html >>>> >>>> It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's >>> Venice >>>> >>>> Nice dress, huh? I'm wondering about the bodice. >>>> Maybe stays and buckram to hold the front up and >>> where >>>> it belongs? And do you think the bodice is >>> attached >>>> to the skirt or no? >>>> >>>> In service, >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Go softly and gently for those you meet here will >>> be >>>> those you know hereafter." >>>> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58MM9RM009612 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:22:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MK9NX012736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MK5ci001103; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MK2ci001068 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0352.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.98]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXowp-0002K9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:20:00 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:20:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5b.50a099c7.2df7896b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I play the lute a little, and I used to belong to a group like this that discussed playing the lute. Every once in a while there would be a nationalistic flurry as someone from one country or another claimed that the lute had originated THERE, but on the whole it was an informative and enjoyable list with a lot of helpfulness and a lot of camaraderie. The postings on 9/11/01 were amazing, beginning with one that said "something awful has just happened outside my window." For one day the lute list was the source of enormous international comfort and support in response to a terrible attack that killed people of many countries. On the list, people who knew each other because of only one common interest reached out to one another as human beings. But then the next day somebody made a remark about Arabs. And then came some remarks about Americans. And then the international vitriol was unbelievable. I am a VERY politically-oriented person (way left of center, if anybody's interested). But after a couple more days I left the list. I was just too disillusioned about the spirit of the list. I'm here to learn about historic clothing and contribute my occasional remarks (ranging from possibly-interesting to downright silly, I admit). Last week I was in a costuming bind and asked the list for help. I got three very kind answers, the most helpful being from Bjarne. I have to admit that I'm also here because I love to listen to people from around the world talk on common interests--in beautiful English or misspelled English or English-as-a-second-language, or once in a while in French, Danish, Latin, or German phrases. I'm fascinated by how much people know and how generously they're willing to share it. I'm not here to listen to people abuse each other. I'm not here to talk politics (I do that the REST of the time). I've got something of a crush on Bjarne because of his wonderful work, his modesty, his enormous energy, and his general kindness and enthusiasm. His feelings about the U.S. haven't damaged that crush, although I'd have to agree that posting those feelings hasn't turned out to be a good idea and this list isn't quite the place. But SOME of the reactions....it's starting to feel like the lute list. PLEASE let's not get nationalistic, except as it serves to distinguish between costume styles. PLEASE let's not get into personal attacks on the basis of politics, or expertise in English, or weight, or imagined wealth, or imagined personal hygiene.... Some of the people who wore the originals of the gorgeous period clothing we're discussing and trying to recreate were pretty nasty types. But that doesn't mean we should emulate that. Thanks for listening. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 6/8/04 5:28 PM, Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com at Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/8/04 3:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > cvirtue+dated+1102279403.9766e9@thibault.org writes: > I certainly wouldn't want you to feel you had to talk with people you > hate, Bjarne. I'll miss hearing about your beautiful projects. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:32:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58MWZRM009675 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:32:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MTHNX013592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MTEci007898; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f44.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MTBci007820 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:29:06 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:29:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:29:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2004 22:29:06.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[026144B0:01C44DA8] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: ot America X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >And >Let me tell you a little thing out there in America!... Thank you for your input. Your opinions have been duly noted and will be given all relevant consideration. While I can not speak for all Americans, I know that I for one am pleased to serve as the target for your spleen. If you feel the need to vent such as this again. please feel free to contact me off list, so that you needn't burden these people with your ire. Marc Carlson _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:46:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58MkMRM009779 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MjqNX015069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Mjnci019327; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51105.mail.yahoo.com (web51105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i58Mjlci019258 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040608224542.98067.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.240.11] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:45:42 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <40C635FD.4000407@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Dawn wrote: > > It's got those wrinkles on either side of the front > bodice that you get > from wearing a dress that is laced closed. It looks > to me like the > lacing has been removed, or not painted in. You can > almost see where > there might be rings on the sitter's right side, > where the fabric pulls > just a bit out of straight. See? This is why you talk to other people. I'd never thought that the artist left off something. Gee, why would he? Now that you point it out, it does look like the fabric pulls. I went up stairs and looked at a bodice I already had that has a square front and closes in the front too. It does not work without something holding it closed, and with your lacings in the back it's awful. So it's a pretty dress to look at in the painting, but I don't think it's gonna work. Hummmmm. Now what? Find my second choice? Guess so, off to look at 500 year old pitchures again. In service, Anne > > > Dawn > > > > Lynn Downward wrote: > > > We can see > > there's no connection between right front and left > front bodice pieces. If > > there were hooks from the bodices to the chemise, > that chemise would have > > spread apart and those lovely pleats wouldn't be > there. It's not realistic > > to think that the hooks and eyes go through the > chemise to something > > underneath the chemise. > > >> > >>I had not thought of hooks. Interesting. I'm not > >>sure how that would work with the chemise. You'd > have > >>to have a special one just for this dress. > >> > > >>>looks like it might be 'hooked' in a few places > to > >>>something hidden under > >>>the gown bodice, throug the chemise. Maybe the > gown > >>>has hooks that hooks > >>>onto a 'pair of bodies' that is laced on, > underneath > >>>the chemise? > > >>> > >>http:/homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor25.html > >> > >>>>It's Moretto:Portrait of a Yound Woman, 1540's > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 18:59:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58MxBRM009807 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MwZNX016258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MwWci027882; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58MwMci027758 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A45F731004A; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:57:35 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A44A7900AE; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c44dac$0ca8a8b0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608175909.16908.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:58:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I guess we have two Penny's on the list now. Please do not think the message signed "Penny" was not from me. It was from Penny Roberts. My email signature always looks has my full name. I try not to get into these kinds of discussions as this one. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Roberts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America > Why thank you, you are too kind > but could you please arrange to get me the bigger house? > Also, my people still live overseas, both in Europe and in Asia, > so we are part of you > unless you are not human > Penny > who loves reading about costumes > and hates generalizations [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 19:01:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58N1hRM009822 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:01:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58N15NX016529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58N12ci029643; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:01:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mwinf1004.wanadoo.fr (smtp10.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.21]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58N11ci029568 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from liara@wanadoo.fr) Received: from mathilde (AMontsouris-151-1-35-223.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.123.25.223]) by mwinf1004.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B488518001F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:00:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <029b01c44dac$918d5990$df197b52@mathilde> From: "Liara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040605.163446.1996.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking info on Breton Stitch Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:01:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" (...) > While I found a how-to diagram of the stitch, we are > curious as to how old a stich it is. Her persona is 15th century Breton, > and she'ld like to know if she can get away with using it. I wish I could help you more (after all, I'm a Breton myself, though not of the 15th century, I should know better ;)), but here is all the help I can offer : - I've never heard of that stitch before (but then again I don't do embroidery... though I wish I had the skill!), but according to an online definition, it seems to be found on "ancient Breton costumes" : not a great help, I grant you... but the words "Breton costumes" (in French at least) generally refer to the heavily embroidered "traditional" costumes which weren't worn before the beginning of the XIXth century... - I found a man who does traditional (XIXth century) Breton costumes... Maybe I can ask him about this stitch for you ? He might be more familiar with it than I am. Feel free to write me offlist if you need more information on Breton history or costumes, I'll be glad to help you or your friend ! Nice to see somebody doing a Breton persona, anyway ;) Liara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 19:55:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58NtmRM010000 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:55:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Np2NX019916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Novci060519; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Notci060449 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:50:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200406082350470130097d9te>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:50:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c44db3$75619270$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:51:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh! You know I hadn't thought that the artist left out painting the lacings. That makes sense, though. I too was the imperceptible give-away signs of closures of some kind. I was thinking that maybe the chemise had slits in it at the points where the gown could then have hooks go to a PoB which would be hidden from view by the gown. I thought there were a couple of allegorical portraits that showed slits in the chemise in oddball places. Could one of those been used? Yes, the linen would breathe I totally agree. However *moving around* in a very tight garment that wouldn't necessarialy move with the body could chafe in those spots that have more potential for moving around. For example, under the arms, at the waist. Anyhow, just thinking out loud again. It is more likely, though, that the gown is just for the portrait and maybe not really for everyday wear. happy stitching Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florentine Gown > Just a thought, perhaps the artist forgot to paint the lacings. If you look > at the opening of the chemise you can see cleavage and not PoB. As for a > corset/PoB next to the skin, if it were made of linen it would be > breathable. > > My 2 cents > De > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 19:59:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58NxJRM010013 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:59:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58NucNX020245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58Nuaci063552; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i58NuYci063500 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004060823562601400c3d3pe>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:56:26 +0000 Message-ID: <003301c44db4$3f58e920$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <060820041932.11100.40C614660002D21600002B5C2200758942050C010C0E0A9FA19B020E9F030E9D@comcast.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20040608143648.02835b60@mail.katiesorchids.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] determining class by clothing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:56:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katie, I recently wore something well fitted only in costume. Modern clothing is a different story. As a kid, when I didn't make make my own clothes, nothing really fit off the rack. I might get lucky and find something in Goodwill, old clothing, that were well made. But as a rule the best fitted clothing I have I've made. Kinda a sad commentary of our clothing industry, huh? Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Pleasance" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] determining class by clothing > I completely agree. The quality of construction of ready-to-wear is > abysmal. The styling is just as bad. It's as though our society glorifies > that which is degraded and wants to emulate it in the quality and style of > their clothes. > > When was the last generation that wore well-fitted clothes? The Kennedy > era? Anybody who grew up since then has never experienced well-fitting, > well-tailored clothes and therefore doesn't know what it is. > > As always, my opinion. > > Katie, who has been very talkative today . > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 20:25:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i590PHRM010160 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590OcNX022204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590OZci078204; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590OWci078176 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:24:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a234.in-tch.com [66.62.107.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5900Nx25680 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C6599F.504@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:28:15 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset References: <021101c44d93$13785140$cb6afea9@sherry> In-Reply-To: <021101c44d93$13785140$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, and it was really heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try some natural stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. I'm mostly working with my spinning at the moment, and some knitting (getting up the courage to start on a pair of 16th c. stockings). I also have a couple of costume UFO's that need work this summer--2 embroidered German shirts, a 10th Norse outfit (for a woman), and a complete 16th c. Flemish (wool and linen, all hand-sewn). That's all SCA stuff. I'd love to get back to working on my handsewn colonial outfit (mid-18th c. America), which I started during a couple of classes I took through Penny L's website, and my next big spinning project is going to be spinning enough yarn/thread to make myself a medieval hood in shadow weave, using a weaving draft from an article in a recent _Handwoven_ on making LoTR cloaks. I'm going to use colors appropriate for my part of the world (western MT in the US), so it'll be taupes and greens, with some grays and blues and browns. I'd really like to do a whole cloak, but I don't have a loom large enough. Oh, and I'm working on keeping my tongue over Bjarne's intemperate anti-American remarks. --sue Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Just finished ( I hope) putting the spring-steel boning into a new 16th C > corset, wow it's surprisingly heavy, yet much thinner than my old one. > > I'm off to go pound some grommets... > > What is everyone else working on? > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 20:34:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i590Y1RM010197 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590XLNX022734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590XCci082672; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590XAci082637 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a234.in-tch.com [66.62.107.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5908wx28788 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C65BA2.2070705@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:36:50 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, now, see....I think it very easily could be a real dress. I'd interpret this as a fairly standardly-built gown, with a front-opening bodice that's probably normally held closed with hooks. I'd venture, without further definitive evidence, that the sitter's being deliberately portrayed in a state of undress. And I'm thinking that the gaposis width would vary with how tightly the bodice fit with the edges snugged up to each other.... And I bet, Lynn, you could work elements of the dress into something modern--perhaps using the color scheme, or the bands of trim on a collarless jacket, with a white shirt of some sort underneath. As for me, I think I've finally found the dress to make to go over the Eternal Blackwork Camicia! Wahoo! --sue Lynn Downward wrote: > I was thinking the same; this can't be a real-world dress. It's gorgeous and > I'd love to own it, right down to the belt! (How did she do that?) However, > the curving of a body would force the tops of the bodice apart much more > than they are as posed, even with boning down the front unless they were > connected to either each other or to the clothing underneath. We can see > there's no connection between right front and left front bodice pieces. If > there were hooks from the bodices to the chemise, that chemise would have > spread apart and those lovely pleats wouldn't be there. It's not realistic > to think that the hooks and eyes go through the chemise to something > underneath the chemise. The only possible way for it to work is if the > chemise is a fake, as the Victorians and Edwardians made, and there's no > research I've seen or heard of to support this guess in the 1540s. Can > anyone else think of any possible way for the front of the bodice to stay up > like that and maintain the chemise pleats also? Except, of course, if the > bodice was metal covered with fabric. > > > LynnD > Wishing I could think of a way to work that dress in the real world. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 20:42:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i590gGRM010214 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590eCNX023172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590eBci086335; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590e9ci086317 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a234.in-tch.com [66.62.107.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i590G0x01536 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C65D48.8080603@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:43:52 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PoB??? --sue otsisto wrote: > Just a thought, perhaps the artist forgot to paint the lacings. If you look > at the opening of the chemise you can see cleavage and not PoB. As for a > corset/PoB next to the skin, if it were made of linen it would be > breathable. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 20:43:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i590hORM010220 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:43:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590gsNX023355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590gsci087704; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:42:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590gqci087640 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040609004245012002dr9je>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:42:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c44dba$b7c519a0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C65D48.8080603@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:42:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pair of Bodies...sorry, one of my wierd typing shortcuts.. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown > PoB??? > --sue > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 20:48:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i590mYRM010234 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590knNX023567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590klci089728; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590kjci089650 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:46:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004060900463701100fn2g1e>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:46:38 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c44dbb$4297bc40$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C65BA2.2070705@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:46:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah HA! I think you've nailed it with your theory. The idea of some sort of 'state of undress' can be documented with many portraits of the the period. I love it when we can get our heads together and find an pausible result. Happily stitching...but goodness! I've been rather chatty today.. Emer \ Gia going back to lurk mode... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown > Ah, now, see....I think it very easily could be a real dress. I'd > interpret this as a fairly standardly-built gown, with a front-opening > bodice that's probably normally held closed with hooks. I'd venture, > without further definitive evidence, that the sitter's being > deliberately portrayed in a state of undress. And I'm thinking that the > gaposis width would vary with how tightly the bodice fit with the edges _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 20:56:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i590uORM010269 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590sZNX023992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590sWci093505; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i590sVci093438 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:54:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200406081954.AA194183308@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd feel a whole lot better about living in America (or any developed country) if my standard of living didn't depend upon cheap wages and reduced living standards of those in other countries. This is costume related. Last year I went to a Greek festival and in the market there was a gentleman from India selling the most exquisitely embroidered pashmina scarves, one with embroidery very elizabethan in style, a perfect pattern for sleeves. I've been doing quite a bit of work with Elizabethan style machine embroidery lately and probably would charge around $200 for that much machine embroidery, the scarf was selling for about 1/2 of that. The gentleman obviously was a direct importer of the scarves and would have been able to, no doubt, organize a custom embroidery order for me. I even took his card and thought about this option. Get someone skilled in India to reproduce the fine embroidery for a penny, mark it up and bob's yer uncle. Could be done, might still do it, but it bothers me greatly. Someone in India should get paid as much as I would pay any US worker (or as much as I charge myself for my services). I'd like to change the whole world economy so everyone had a meal, a home, a safe place to live. What to do, what do??? I don't hate anyone, but I certaily get quite disillusioned. Lisa Sinervo www.thrednedlestrete.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 22:19:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i592JXRM010616 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:19:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i592HeNX029109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i592Hdci035285; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i592H3ci034960 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nomadmt@pacbell.net) Received: from nomad (adsl-63-195-131-242.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [63.195.131.242]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i592H5bJ029187 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01c001c44dc6$af13f2c0$6b39a8c0@OpalSun> From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:08:40 -0700 Organization: Home for the Incurably Strange MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please, where do I sign up for the larger house? I live in 900 sq. feet with 1 husband and 8 cats, and would love to live in a bigger house. It's true, most of my relatives are living in the United States, but some of them died in Europe - about 60 years ago. Did someone just attack you that you felt the need to make such a generalization about *all* citizens of the United States? (I make that distinction, as I assume you are not slamming Canadians, Mexicans, or citizens of any of the South American countries.) Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket" Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [h-cost] ot America > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your > government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 22:27:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i592RLRM010648 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:27:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i592PRNX029616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i592POci039053; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:25:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i592Otci038835 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nomadmt@pacbell.net) Received: from nomad (adsl-63-195-131-242.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [63.195.131.242]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i592OvbJ032557 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:24:57 -0400 Message-ID: <01e801c44dc7$c85598a0$6b39a8c0@OpalSun> From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608.134645.1628.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] help sought in finding a stitch Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:16:32 -0700 Organization: Home for the Incurably Strange MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jacqueline Enthoven, in her "The Stitches of Creative Embroidery" (I'm looking at the revised and enlarged edition) shows how to work a stitch she calls the Breton stitch, as well as a variation on it called 'Point de Veuve' or 'Vous et Moi'. Unfortunately, she gives no history other than stating that it is "characteristic of the embroidery of Brittany". Sorry I can't be of more help here. Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket" Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] help sought in finding a stitch > has anyone here ever heard of Breton stitch? > > Arlys > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:00:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5930YRM010760 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:00:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5923vNX028256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5923rci028466; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5923pci028412 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:03:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from 39jz301 ([69.195.101.32]) by fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20040609020141.OBZA456352.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@39jz301> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c44dc6$00b3c020$2065c345@39jz301> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406081954.AA194183308@thrednedlestrete.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:03:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [69.195.101.32] using ID at Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:01:41 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > Could be done, might still do it, but it bothers me greatly. Someone in India should get paid as much as I would pay any US worker (or as much as I charge myself for my services). I'd like to change the whole world economy so everyone had a meal, a home, a safe place to live. What to do, what do??? I don't hate anyone, but I certaily get quite disillusioned. I think you would need to look at the specific industry and the standards of living for those workers. For instance, there are many people in places like India with a fairly high standard of living who are paid much less than what we are paid in North America--this is because housing, food, etc. are less expensive in their currency than they would be here. There are others, however, that work in sweatshop conditions. I think the key is to focus on the standard of living rather than the actual wages when determining whether a company is treating their workers ethically (and yes, by those terms, there are plenty of US-based companies that would fail miserably :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:04:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59348RM010776 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:04:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5932LNX002044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5932Ici056888; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5932Gci056857 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from mail.ntw.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i5931K316548 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:01:20 -0600 Received: from 129.19.132.85 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sylvia) by mail.ntw.net with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3267.129.19.132.85.1086750080.squirrel@mail.ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <200406081954.AA194183308@thrednedlestrete.com> References: <200406081954.AA194183308@thrednedlestrete.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers From: sylvia@ntw.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have mixed feelings about this issue. I too hate to see workers in undeveloped countries making pennies for what we here in the US would get paid dollars. On the other hand, aren't a lot of people in such countries being given work now that heretofore they wouldn't have had at all because we didn't ship so much stuff overseas to be made there until recently? On the other other hand, because stuff is now being sent to China instead of Mexico, the lot of many Mexicans is worse off than it was a few years ago when the garment and other industries sent their stuff across the border. So is the lot of the Chinese now improving due to the increased business we're giving them? Sylrog > I'd feel a whole lot better about living in America (or any developed > country) if my standard of living didn't depend upon cheap wages and > reduced living standards of those in other countries. > > This is costume related. Last year I went to a Greek festival and in the > market there was a gentleman from India selling the most exquisitely > embroidered pashmina scarves, one with embroidery very elizabethan in > style, a perfect pattern for sleeves. > > I've been doing quite a bit of work with Elizabethan style machine > embroidery lately and probably would charge around $200 for that much > machine embroidery, the scarf was selling for about 1/2 of that. The > gentleman obviously was a direct importer of the scarves and would have > been able to, no doubt, organize a custom embroidery order for me. I even > took his card and thought about this option. Get someone skilled in India > to reproduce the fine embroidery for a penny, mark it up and bob's yer > uncle. > > Could be done, might still do it, but it bothers me greatly. Someone in > India should get paid as much as I would pay any US worker (or as much as > I charge myself for my services). I'd like to change the whole world > economy so everyone had a meal, a home, a safe place to live. What to do, > what do??? I don't hate anyone, but I certaily get quite disillusioned. > > Lisa Sinervo > www.thrednedlestrete.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:07:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5937kRM010792 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5937FNX002362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5937Dci059342; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5937Bci059319 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176853D7B for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:07:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p001.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.3]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0984ED3EC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:07:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florentine Gown Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- .... Besides which, this gown would probably have been worn over some sort of kirtle layer for the green sleeves to attach to, although they could be pinned or tied to the pinkinsh dress, personally I think this is less likely. Cheers, Danielle The sleeves would be connected to the pink dress. There are other portraits that have a similar style. It is usually tied not laced in front. I'll see if can find other examples. The more I look at this picture the more I think the painter forgot to paint the ties on. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:17:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i593H4RM010831 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:17:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593GQNX002839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593GPci063658; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593GOci063650 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:16:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161B31D06D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:16:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p001.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.3]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA52FD3EC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:16:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] help sought in finding a stitch Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040608.134645.1628.2.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- has anyone here ever heard of Breton stitch? Arlys Try: http://www.crosscountryshopping.com/special%20stitches/brenton.htm If you have access to french embroidery you will probably find more info on it there. Good luck, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:41:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i593fvRM010894 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593d5NX003878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593cuci074446; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593csci074395 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a27.in-tch.com [66.62.107.7]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i593Egx09126 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C6872A.2020902@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:42:34 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown References: <40C65D48.8080603@in-tch.com> <000501c44dba$b7c519a0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> In-Reply-To: <000501c44dba$b7c519a0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO S'okay! About 2 seconds after I hit "send," I thought, "well, duh! pair of...." *sigh* --sue Gia wrote: > Pair of Bodies...sorry, one of my wierd typing shortcuts.. > > Emer \ Gia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown > > > >>PoB??? >>--sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:49:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i593mxRM010905 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593kENX004186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593kDci077864; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593k6ci077809 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-121.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.121]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i593jNbM030474 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:45:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040608203138.021a4800@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:37:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown In-Reply-To: <20040608195846.12600.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <01a601c44d8f$bccefb80$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I had not thought of hooks. Interesting. I'm not >sure how that would work with the chemise. You'd have >to have a special one just for this dress. If there were hooks, they'd pull, and the pulling would show. >I'm just wondering if this is just a "pose dress" and >not practical for acutally wearing.? I'd hate to make >it and find out all I can do while wearing it is to >sit on my bum and look pretty. haha! My guess is that the sitter is so flat chested that she could sit still in the dress and not have it fall open. Otherwise, on my body, I'd have to hook/lace it shut in front. I believe it's otherwise a real dress. There are other portraits of similar gowns. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 8 23:55:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i593t0RM010918 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:55:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593sJNX004721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i593sIci081526; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i593sFci081504 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kendra@tweedlebop.com) Received: from unknown (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@69.106.225.188 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 03:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <06a101c44dd5$5ed0ede0$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040525195651.01dd0890@pop.west.cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about 1530s German dress Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:53:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Heidi, I'm behind in my email, but I don't think you got a response to your questions. I wanted to recommend that you consider joining the GermanRenCostume listserv, which is a Yahoo Group. I recently joined and have been impressed by the level of knowledge of this group (plus the list has extensive files and archives that you can search). There's lots of people on this list doing the same period that you're interested in, and I think you'll get some great help there! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GermanRenCostume/ Good luck, Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heidi Fox" > Hello folks, > > I will be constructing a gown in this style > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/9/04judith.html for a friend. > > I have some questions about the bodice and skirt construction: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 00:11:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i594B1RM010950 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5949BNX005444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:09:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59498ci088251; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59495ci088167 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD3336001E; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:08:19 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACFB6A700AE; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:07:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c44dd7$609484f0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608194515.6193.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:08:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Janet, Many films are shot in right-to-work states like Virginia and North Carolina to avoid the union issue. You might want to check into that if you are interested in costuming for films. You can advertise or be listed in the Virginia Film Commission catalog for a small fee. This catalog goes out to several places over the country. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 00:29:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i594TaRM011000 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i594RpNX006472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i594Roci096751; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i594Rcci096653 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997431D253 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p001.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.3]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C267D3EC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:27:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <40C6599F.504@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, and it was really heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try some natural stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. _____ May I recommend rolled linen instead of hemp, as hemp has a tendency to shrink when wet. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 01:35:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i595ZmRM011216 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i595WuNX009158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i595Wpci023985; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pd5mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i595Woci023974 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Jacyntha@shaw.ca) Received: from pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.101]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HZ100JQG074JD@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.146]) by pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HZ100JLW0743VP0@pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Customer (S0106009027aee9bf.vc.shawcable.net [24.83.13.246]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HZ100EIW073J4@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:21:46 -0700 From: Connie / Jacyntha To: Historical Costume Message-id: <000801c44de1$aabb52c0$f60d5318@vc.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I need, on a very short time frame, some pictures of what urban Caucasian Canadian (but I'll take American if need be) women, men and adolescents (14-18 yr. old) were wearing from 1920 through 1940. I'm sure there are many web sites out there, but because of the short time frame I thought I'd ask the experts! Thank you all for your time, Connie aka Jacyntha --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 01:55:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i595tpRM011245 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i595tGNX010255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i595tFci033429; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i595tEci033414 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:55:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2742B1D058 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:55:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p001.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.3]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DCC17D4AF for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:55:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:55:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040608215134.YRLX29317.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] determining class by clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Delurking to agree with you both here. This aspect of recent culture pervades more than just clothing, when you consider where the majority of Americans spend their cash. I'd like some crap, please, and could you Supersize that for me? Cheers, Heidi ___ I am one who worked at one of the better quality McD's and sometimes get irked at such comments, even if not directed at the company. I guess you haven't been to the NY McD's where they have a doorperson in formal attire, a host/hostess in a casual suit, piano player, marble table tops, silver plate coffee server. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 04:09:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5988xRM005442 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59874NX015519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5986sci087114; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5986nci087041 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4EB332006A; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:06:03 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4BAE7F015A; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c44df8$9afdf7e0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608181930.28502.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> <00c201c44d87$56cdad20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] to America Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:06:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I rarely just into discussions like this, but I feel I need address the topic. And yes, I will bring this discussion into the costuming message. I am really surprised and hurt by these insults on Americans from you Bjarne. I really had thought better of you. When people make insults on others countries, it is generally because of lack of experience of travel and/or education. Americans are from every country in North and South America, my latest count today... that is 36 countries in North America and 15 countries in South America. From my own personal experience is a visit to England. The British were extremely nice and had several questions about what it was like in the U.S. And I had a lot of questions for them about living in England. I feel very confident sending my son to England to college, that they will welcome him with open arms. The British won me over during my trip. I have not traveled all over the world but I speak to people daily from several countries. My husband has traveled numerous times all over Europe and Asia. He only has wonderful things to say about the people that he has met. He never felt like they harbored ill feelings towards U.S. citizens. Most people are curious about what it is really like living in the U.S. My husband spent four years in the U.S. military and the last 18 years working on a contract for the U.S. government. He spent over 10 years of the 18 traveling all over the world, teaching how to improve our troops and international troops. He has taught on 4 continents, North America, Europe, Asia, and multi-national peace-keeping troops in Egypt, Africa. My children and myself went through great sacrifices for him to teach these troops around the world. My kids only saw their Dad a couple of weeks here and there for ten years. During his travels, the lodging, airfares, etc. ... the U.S. govt. paid for. He did not receive extra pay or benefits for this, other than for accommodations and frequent flyer mileage. We believe that the work he does helps improve the world. On top of this, we have had several family members who went to Europe and fought in World War I and II to make Europe a safer place to live. My own father was in WWI. And I am sure there are plenty h-costumers whose family members who did the same from several countries to help Europe. So please, don't go there, with that we are greedy, self absorbed Americans. For the past century, we have always been there to help countries. BTW, when the World Trade Center was attacked it was just an attack on the U.S. There were people working in the buildings from around the world. It was an attack on the world's economy. And for the attack on DC... anyone who has been to Washington can tell you that there are more tourists on the DC Mall and visiting the Capitol than citizens of the U.S. Imagine how many international tourists would have been killed if that last plane would not have been stopped. As for big houses and fat Americans... I am genetically tall and thin, and my husband is genetically tall and stout. I live in a big house, not a mansion. I am not ashamed to say it. We worked very hard for 20 years to buy a nice house. Neither my husband nor I were given a hand-outs from our parents or inherited money. My father was a poor fisherman/farmer whose highest level in school was 3rd grade. My husband's father was a poor carpenter who completed the second grade. Our parents stressed to all their children that if you want the *American Dream,* to work hard and get a good education. Just like most parents in this country. Over the past 26 years of our marriage, my husband or I have been in college. Last year my husband, and two of our kids were in college, all at the same time. We borrowed money from the government to go to college and repay the loans every month. The reason there is a larger middle class in the U.S. is that since the 1970s the government will loan any U.S. citizen financial aid to go to college. Before that time, only people with families who had money or scholarships went to college. Presently, all U.S. citizens have that opportunity. My Mom's favorite saying, "When you stop learning, you die." Bringing this into a costuming ream... If the rest of the world is not interested in what the U.S. does... here are some cold hard statistics from my websites, which are primarily about American fashion history. The sites are visited on a monthly average by people from 140 countries for the past six months. That's how long I have been keeping geographic demographic statistics. That is 60% of the countries in the world. The remaining countries are third world countries that do not have the internet OR at war. Of our third-world country visitors they are educators or librarians accessing from their school and wanting to know about American culture (principally American and Canada). Now if you think all of Denmark shares your views about the U.S., go search Google, and see how many Danish libraries are referencing or referring my websites. I think you will be surprised. In the accounting period, we have ranged between 310 to 502 unique visitors monthly from Denmark. Your country ranks sixth in our European visitors. Out of the 46 countries in Europe, we have received monthly 37 to 39 countries representing visitors to my website in the past 6 months. European country visitation rank order respectively: England, Germany, Netherlands, France, Sweden, and Denmark. Your message today, reminded me of an international marketing professor I had in college. He said, "Global marketing will never work." This made me more determined to make global marketing work. Education and hard work is the key to this problem. That is why we are translating the website into other languages and adding articles/books online from other countries. I spend a lot of time on eBay looking for publications and photos from other countries. Also, I receive and send money all over the world. The money and the language barriers are the main reasons my professor said global marketing would not work. Boy, did I prove him wrong. I think we live in a very wonderful time in history, where because of the internet, we all can talk daily to people around the world. We learn about one another's cultures and come to an understanding and respect our differences and similarities. I recall when a group of us, first meet a lady online from Scotland. She found out that I lived in *the South* of the U.S. She thought I lived in a house live Tara in Gone with the Wind. We joked with her and sent her images of Old South plantation homes and told her that is where we lived. Everyone, including the lady from Scotland, thought this was so funny and we all had a good laugh. My point is... please don't judge people by what you see in movies or on television. Most U.S. citizens don't look like or keep house like Roseanne. It was a popular U.S. television show on the BBC when I was in London. The men are not Archer Bunker or Rhett Butler. We all don't live or look like Scarlett O'Hara or Martha Stewart. We live in a country where at least 90% of the people go to work 40 a week, worry about our children's grades in school, and how to pay the bills. Just like most people in first and second world countries. We do elect our govt. officials and we oust them when we don't like them, like the former California governor or half of Richmond, VA's city council. (Just using them as an example). My husband just so happens to work for the federal government, but fed. govt. and the state of Virginia (VA) are our largest employers in our state. The largest business employers in VA are probably AOL and Phillip Morris. About 50% of our neighborhood works for some type of govt. (county, city, state, or federal) and the other half work at Philip Morris. Probably 85% of our neighborhood residents hold a Bachelor's degree and their children go to college on government loans. No doctor's, lawyers, judges, or elected govt. officials in living in my neighborhood... but a lot of school teachers, police, fireworkers, and govt. paper pushers. I hope this helps you understand how U.S. citizens live. We really aren't what you see on TV or in the movies. If you ever want to see how fake TV and the movies are, come visit me, and I will take you to a set. Productions usually are going on between May-Oct. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 04:29:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i598TrRM005714 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:29:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i598TNNX016331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i598TLci095606; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from decna.com ([194.63.250.132]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i598THcj095519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from decna.com (decna.com [127.0.0.1]) by decna.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-3) with ESMTP id i598T6lD026817 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:29:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by decna.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-3) with ESMTP id i598T6K7026813 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:29:06 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: decna.com: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:29:06 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@decna.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Please, enough with the politics! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please, everyone, can we get past the political discussion/flamewar at this point? There's a time and a place for such things, and this list is neither of those. Ingrid - with strong opinions on the subject that I'm going to keep to myself in this forum. -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne E-post er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 05:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i599bBRM006022 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:37:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i599ZRNX019163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i599ZOci021921; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i599ZKci021848 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:33:27 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A63A4@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: medieval underwear, coloured Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:33:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>From: Lena Strid >>Marc, if you want more examples of breeches, let me know. I've collected >>quite a few images for my underwear lecture. > >Please. I'd be interested in any sort of input. thank you. Marc, contact me privately on what kind of images you want, format etc. >>> It is interesting to note that shoes and body garments like breeches and >>>shirts are not mentioned in any of the estate inventories I've ever seen. >>There are some undergarments mentioned in Swedish wills. > >thus underscoring why I said to be skeptical when people say anything >definatively -- even me :) But you only said that _you_ hadn't seen any - not that they didn't exist... :-) /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. 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Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:03:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59D3iRM006940 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59CvXNX027716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:57:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59CvPci003209; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59CvLci003176 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59Cv3af009937 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:57:03 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05839 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:57:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset Message-ID: <1086785823.40c7091f4dcef@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:57:03 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 81.76.186.164 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've just done a handstitched 16th c. corset too, but used bents. they're brilliant, so light but fully supportive. I started a mock up one with flat steel, and far prefer the bents. Now I'm working on the accompanying farthingale. On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 05:27 am, otsisto wrote: -----Original Message----- I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, and it was really heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try some natural stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:11:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DB0RM006966 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:11:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DAMNX028360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DALci009063; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DAKci008983 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040609131012012002kgvie>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c44e23$1be4fc30$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608194515.6193.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> <002c01c44dd7$609484f0$0300a8c0@MOM> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:10:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Penny! I'll look into this. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Janet, > > Many films are shot in right-to-work states like Virginia and North Carolina > to avoid the union issue. You might want to check into that if you are > interested in costuming for films. You can advertise or be listed in the > Virginia Film Commission catalog for a small fee. This catalog goes out to > several places over the country. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DGYRM007033 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:16:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DG1NX028701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DG0ci011713; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DFwci011667 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004060913155101100fkbj9e>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c44e23$e6323b10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1086785823.40c7091f4dcef@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:15:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Um..Bents...(thinking hard)..are those kind of like willow or some other basket weaving type things? I've heard of it before...but dang if I can remember... Coffee...I need coffee... Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Davidson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:57 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset > I've just done a handstitched 16th c. corset too, but used bents. they're brilliant, so light > but fully supportive. I started a mock up one with flat steel, and far prefer the bents. Now > I'm working on the accompanying farthingale. > > > On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 05:27 am, otsisto wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, and it was really > heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try some natural > stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:25:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DPcRM007292 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DNjNX029146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DNhci015529; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59DNeci015478 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040609132335.82057.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:23:35 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002c01c44dd7$609484f0$0300a8c0@MOM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny But aren't they looking at American costumers? not Canadian. I live in Vancouver, BC. My stuff can be shipped, but would they consider that? ALso I specialize is the SCA time periods (Elizabethan and back), not a lot o call for that. THey are filming Earthsea here and they already have their Union people. Janet Penny Ladnier wrote: Janet, Many films are shot in right-to-work states like Virginia and North Carolina to avoid the union issue. You might want to check into that if you are interested in costuming for films. You can advertise or be listed in the Virginia Film Commission catalog for a small fee. This catalog goes out to several places over the country. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:27:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DRhRM007367 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DRDNX029390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DRDci017440; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com (web41510.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59DRAci017366 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040609132705.36683.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:27:05 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3267.129.19.132.85.1086750080.squirrel@mail.ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a delicate subject, but if you look at the the financial end. They talk about families making $1/day to live or whattever it is, you need to look at the cost of living. I went to RUssia and their dollar is lower, but their markets are also lower. SImilar items we would spend $$$$$ for they have for significantly less, the government tries to support the economy of th people in little ways.(Hard to put to words this early in the morning after working) Janet sylvia@ntw.net wrote: I have mixed feelings about this issue. I too hate to see workers in undeveloped countries making pennies for what we here in the US would get paid dollars. On the other hand, aren't a lot of people in such countries being given work now that heretofore they wouldn't have had at all because we didn't ship so much stuff overseas to be made there until recently? On the other other hand, because stuff is now being sent to China instead of Mexico, the lot of many Mexicans is worse off than it was a few years ago when the garment and other industries sent their stuff across the border. So is the lot of the Chinese now improving due to the increased business we're giving them? Sylrog > I'd feel a whole lot better about living in America (or any developed > country) if my standard of living didn't depend upon cheap wages and > reduced living standards of those in other countries. > > This is costume related. Last year I went to a Greek festival and in the > market there was a gentleman from India selling the most exquisitely > embroidered pashmina scarves, one with embroidery very elizabethan in > style, a perfect pattern for sleeves. > > I've been doing quite a bit of work with Elizabethan style machine > embroidery lately and probably would charge around $200 for that much > machine embroidery, the scarf was selling for about 1/2 of that. The > gentleman obviously was a direct importer of the scarves and would have > been able to, no doubt, organize a custom embroidery order for me. I even > took his card and thought about this option. Get someone skilled in India > to reproduce the fine embroidery for a penny, mark it up and bob's yer > uncle. > > Could be done, might still do it, but it bothers me greatly. Someone in > India should get paid as much as I would pay any US worker (or as much as > I charge myself for my services). I'd like to change the whole world > economy so everyone had a meal, a home, a safe place to live. What to do, > what do??? I don't hate anyone, but I certaily get quite disillusioned. > > Lisa Sinervo > www.thrednedlestrete.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:31:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DVxRM007403 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DTiNX029595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DTgci018675; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DTeci018629 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a260.in-tch.com [66.62.107.60]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i59D5Sx17734 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40C711A0.4070305@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:33:20 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Really? I hadn't thought of that...maybe I'll have to do some "field tests," especially since I've already got the hemp (purchased a couple of years ago from a hemp merchant online). I'm not sure if it'll be stiffening for a corded bodice or a corset.... I've thought of using rolled linen (or something similar) as stiffening for a farthingale, as I've heard of that being used.... --sue otsisto wrote: > -----Original Message----- > I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, and it was really > heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try some natural > stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. > > _____ > May I recommend rolled linen instead of hemp, as hemp has a tendency to > shrink when wet. > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:34:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DYDRM007411 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DXgNX029862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DXfci020824; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DXdci020790 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.35.202]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 23193493 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:20:12 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:34:14 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c44e26$74c9ea10$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c44de1$aabb52c0$f60d5318@vc.shawcable.net> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would look at Dover's Fashions from the Sears Catalog series. They have one for the 1920's and one for the 1930's. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Connie / Jacyntha Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:22 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's I need, on a very short time frame, some pictures of what urban Caucasian Canadian (but I'll take American if need be) women, men and adolescents (14-18 yr. old) were wearing from 1920 through 1940. I'm sure there are many web sites out there, but because of the short time frame I thought I'd ask the experts! Thank you all for your time, Connie aka Jacyntha --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59Da1RM007421 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:36:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DZLNX029940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DZJci021608; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59DYYcj021266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eliz@net.indra.com) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i59DYXK7021262 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eliz) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:34:33 -0600 From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20040609133433.GA18820@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Please Read - note from the list admin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was hoping this was only a brief thing that would blow over quickly, but I don't see that happening. I am therefore requesting as the list owner that people return to on-topic discussions on the list. I also hope that people will return to moving the conversations forward in a positive manner. Thanks. ...eliz, list admin -- "It seemed so clear to me - once I'd wised up to the idea that life is not a straight road with no exit ramps - that life presented opportunities all along the way for a person to change directions." - Alice Steinbach _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:04:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K4NRM009646 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:04:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K2BNX005630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K1lch003494; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com (web41510.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59Dc8ci022901 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040609133802.41217.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:38:02 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:38:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: RE: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007e01c44e26$74c9ea10$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kim What type of life are we talking about. My grandmother grew up in the city and my grandfather on the farm, both in Moosejaw Sask. I'd say look at the depression and Bonnie and CLyde. They are good. SHirley Temple clothes for some of the shows like Baby take a Bow and others that she is playing a "modern" role. Back then everyone was wearing that type of stuff. If you look at close on the American side that are close to Canadian borders then you can get an idea if you an't find anything else. I woldn't be able to smuggle any photos on the site, but I can describe a few. Certainly take a look at those shows to get an idea. Janet kim baird wrote: I would look at Dover's Fashions from the Sears Catalog series. They have one for the 1920's and one for the 1930's. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Connie / Jacyntha Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:22 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's I need, on a very short time frame, some pictures of what urban Caucasian Canadian (but I'll take American if need be) women, men and adolescents (14-18 yr. old) were wearing from 1920 through 1940. I'm sure there are many web sites out there, but because of the short time frame I thought I'd ask the experts! Thank you all for your time, Connie aka Jacyntha --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:05:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K5MRM009651 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4FNX005898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4Ech005452; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59EACci040611 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040609141007.73413.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:07 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000901c44d92$79b8ba90$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gia I completely agree with that for a properly fitted outfit. An outfit that doesn't matter so much you have flexibility with. An ELizabethan does not. If it doesn't fit right then it is a disaster. JAnet Gia wrote: Anne, that is so true! The look on their faces when I tell them (after I've measured them) that they have to come in to fit the pattern and then the muslin toile *before* I'll cut the fashion fabric is just too funny! Apparently the folks who've 'bartered' with them before just took the measurements and hoped for the best. *grin*. I don't do things that way. This has been a very good thing because whenever I need a 'favor' I know they will be prompt in volunteering, they *know* that I'll do a really good barter. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia > > Plus, you get to have that human graditude that is > sometimes much better than cash. > > In service, > Anne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:05:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K5VRM009654 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:05:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4ONX005930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4Nch005589; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59Glmci053933 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjvEPACXdM2CpaRlgkVJjLc= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JXPTYCR2; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:47:22 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:40:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] help sought in finding a stitch Message-ID: <20040609.094651.1464.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thanks, De. :-) On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:16:34 -0500 "otsisto" writes: > -----Original Message----- > > has anyone here ever heard of Breton stitch? > > Arlys > > Try: > > http://www.crosscountryshopping.com/special%20stitches/brenton.htm > > If you have access to french embroidery you will probably find more > info on it there. > > Good luck, > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:05:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K5tRM009657 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:05:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4fNX005985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4dch005824; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59GrAci057947 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-135-62.client.comcast.net [24.21.135.62]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i59Gr4u29012 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:53:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:56:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Althea Turner To: Costume Historical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <02EBA053-BA36-11D8-81F2-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shopping for textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all, I have added a couple days in Milan to my trip this summer. Does anyone have any suggestions for where to find spiffy textiles or "stuff" in Milan. I'm not a big shopper for fashion items, but would like to buy fabric-y gifts for my SCA friends. :D Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:05:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K5wRM009661 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K3wNX005840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K3vch005230; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59DgNci025146 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040609134218.47218.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:42:18 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have seen people use bamboo, tiny sticks of them bunched together. THey say it is more comfortable, light, and breathes. I haven't tried it personally though. JAnet otsisto wrote: -----Original Message----- I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, and it was really heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try some natural stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. _____ May I recommend rolled linen instead of hemp, as hemp has a tendency to shrink when wet. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:06:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K67RM009665 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:06:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K47NX005880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K46ch005346; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59E86ci039336 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040609140800.45572.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:08:00 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000f01c44d92$b7030950$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Gia YOu need to meet a bunch of requirements ( what diploma in textiles do you have, how many years have you been working in the field paid and volunteer (I think it was a minimum of 1 year, but I think I read 3 years somewhere too), how many years did you do film/theater costumes, etc) then there are other ones that go in another section. FOllowing this they need portfolios of you designs, recommends, bring in pieces of your work, resume, then there is a fee. THis is just to get permit status. LAter after several movies under your belt you wil be permitted to receive full union status. THere are hundreds of permit status people already signed in. FOr me, self taught and multi-generation seamstress, then no time to volunteer, etc. I just thought I didn't want to go through with that. I would loose my focus and consider sewing a job not fun and stress relief. THe creativity of making garb brings out a character, whether I wear the outfit or someone else wears it. THat is the real reason I sew, not to fight the masses to make costumes for others and feel stress out and used (even for a couple of years to break in). The problem is that Vancouver is a hot spot for film and theater right now, so everyone is trying to cash in on it and with the overabundance of talent, they have to strain them somehow. It is HIGHLY competitive and can be rthless (I grew up in theater and film and came back to the film as an extra in the last couple of years, I have experienced this first hand), we work front and back stage. MY sister graduated from film school and has her own company, but decided ot to continue because a little person isn;t going to get anywhere until you are know, and then we come back to the union and volunteer thing again. JAnet Gia wrote: Oh, I didn't know! Thank you for sharing that information. Hmmm. Janet, how does one get into a costuming union? I certainly can NOT afford to volunteer my services. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Part of the problem with costuminf for theater or movies is that you must be in he costuming union for that. If you aren't in there then it is highly unlikely that you will get called or paid. I was told to get into it without all the paperwork that you must volunteer your time. THat is fine when it is regular street clothes, but come on. The number of hours it takes for 1 period costume let alone an entie cast is not worth it for a single mother who needs to ay the bills and put food on the table. It is a brutal side of the industry, the politics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:09:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59K9eRM009723 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4VNX005950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59K4Uch005681; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:04:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59Glmci053923 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjvEPACXdM2CwIjQjZVFC80= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JXPTYCRU; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:47:22 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:38:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] help sought in finding a stitch Message-ID: <20040609.094651.1464.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:01:41 -0600 Cc: Cley@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you anyway.That's where my friend found it. :-) Arlys On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:16:32 -0700 "Margo Glenn-Lewis" writes: > Jacqueline Enthoven, in her "The Stitches of Creative Embroidery" > (I'm > looking at the revised and enlarged edition) shows how to work a > stitch she > calls the Breton stitch, as well as a variation on it called 'Point > de > Veuve' or 'Vous et Moi'. Unfortunately, she gives no history other > than > stating that it is "characteristic of the embroidery of Brittany". > Sorry I > can't be of more help here. > > Margo Glenn-Lewis ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:33:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59KXmRM009815 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:33:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXANX009025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KX9ch028867; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59Fjeci004386 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59FjXaF015585; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:45:33 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17189; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:45:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: Historical@soton.ac.uk, Costume@soton.ac.uk, h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Message-ID: <1086795933.40c7309d24022@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:45:33 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 217.134.77.192 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I used stuff exactly like what is used in brooms,(the ones with heads about a foot and a half long and straw-coloured, not the flatter kind). I found it in an african grocery store, and it cost 50p for a huge bundle! Enough for three or four corsets. I'd be interested in trying the rolled fabric way of stiffening for the fathingale, because it's Not Fun wrestling with yards of damp willow for the hoops. But it's been an interesting process of discovery with it, and had radically changed my ideas on its purpose and construction. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:33:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59KXqRM009818 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:33:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KWqNX008974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KWpch028643; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59Eglci060436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-51-035.jps.net ([209.165.51.35] helo=KALC) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BY4Hu-0005DU-00; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:42:46 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "lisa-list" , "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:42:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gia I've put some of the costume related pages from Gerard's Herbal on line at http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/publications/Gerard/gerard.htm you will find reeds and rushes. If anyone knows if these were the varieties of grasses used for stiffening I would be most interested in hearing so. The pages are all images so they will load slowly. The book is from the early 1600's. Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gia Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Um..Bents...(thinking hard)..are those kind of like willow or some other basket weaving type things? I've heard of it before...but dang if I can remember... Coffee...I need coffee... Emer \ Gia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:34:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59KY4RM009821 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:34:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXLNX009055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXKch029031; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59GJ7ci030568 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LLWatts@aol.com) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.51.3fae32d8 (1320) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <51.3fae32d8.2df8926f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:18:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's &1930's To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>>>>> I need, on a very short time frame, some pictures of what urban Caucasian > Canadian (but I'll take American if need be) women, men and adolescents > (14-18 yr. old) were wearing from 1920 through 1940. > >>>>>>> Not a website, but if you have a good-sized bookstore handy take a look at Everyday Fashions Of The Twenties from Dover Books. American fashions, but I believe Sears (a major source for that book) shipped to Canada as well. I don't have the Thirties and Forties books yet, but if they're anything like the Twenties book they would be good references as well. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:34:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59KYGRM009824 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXWNX009079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXUch029144; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mdx.safepages.com (mail1.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59HQkci083773 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA87713DF55 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:26:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45802-06 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:26:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C1A6413D68B; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust39.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.39]) by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D52BE13D634 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:26:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <025e01c44e47$141a9ef0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C65D48.8080603@in-tch.com><000501c44dba$b7c519a0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <40C6872A.2020902@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:27:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A while back, during one of the many discussions of "How does this bodice stay in place?" I busted out the graphics program, and zoomed in on the best resolution version of this image I could find. And I'm pretty sure I found the nice, simple solution to what's going on here. Look at the top of the gap, where you see the chemise tied. Zoom in, and you see a fuzzy little triangle, that depicts where the chemise laces go. Now, this may be hard to follow, because it's not easy for me to describe it without hand gestures, but it's really easy when you test it out: 1) The chemise has ties. These are knotted, and one of the ends is left really long. 2) That long end goes to one corner of the bodice, and passes through it somehow (see below). Then it goes across to the other corner. This describes two sides of that fuzzy triangle of lacing that you see. 3) The long end goes back up to the original knot made to close the chemise, and is knotted with the original short end. There are now two ends hanging down: the original short end, and the formerly long end which is now short as well. Notice, also, that the reddish edges of the gap in the bodice are doubled; there are two layers on each side there. This is what it looks like when I make a hidden lacing closure; I think that normally, this dress laced closed with a separate and hidden internal lacing. However, in this undress portrait, the chemise lace acts as a makeshift, to hold the bodice up and closed while still giving the air of dishabile. In other words, I don't think the dress would normally have been worn as shown; however, as shown, it does 'work' in the sense that the bodice is not being held up by sheer artistic convention, but rather by a functional, if misused, chemise lace. I've uploaded a zoomed-in (3x, with no pixel interpolation) detail of the painting, and a version tracing the line I see the chemise cord following: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure1.jpg (unedited zoom) http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure2.jpg (tracing of the cord--the squiggles indicate the first and second knots, with the lower squiggle probably being the first knot and the upper one being the second) If anyone has a chemise that closes with ties and a bodice with internal lacing holes, try it! It really does work. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:34:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59KYdRM009827 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KX2NX009006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KX1ch028774; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn2.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59FIPci084716 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id F0AFD12D4D; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:18:13 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [142.161.156.11] by mprdmailfe4.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:18:13 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = a93c37fd7b67bbec3c1b18bd184b8333 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040609151813.F0AFD12D4D@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:18:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] working in the movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba where there is a lot of filming going on, both large and small budget. I have done some costume work and personally I found that no matter how much money they throw at you, it's not worth it. In my experience, and this is not universal, Work in the movies has to be done yesterday; and unless you are waiting by the phone with nothing else in your life, it's really difficult. For example: I got a call to make an "Elizabethan" corset on Tues., they gave me her measurements from 5 years and 2 kids ago. I met her Wed. 9pm for my one fitting. The finished corset was handed in Fri. afternoon and given to the embroiderer/beader. The piece was on set Sat. at 7am. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ "It (the Eiffel Tower) looked very different from the Statue of Liberty, but what did that matter? What was the good of having the statue without the liberty?" Josephine Baker _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. 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Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: PoB Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:12:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c44e2b$da15f990$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e9.22729cdb.2df839f1@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Post office box?? I missed that message. > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:01 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: PoB > > OK, I admit it! I can't recall what PoB stands for! > > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:35:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59KZKRM009835 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:35:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXdNX009099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXbch029251; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mdx.safepages.com (mail1.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59HaVch091572 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF2A13D8E1 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:36:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66722-05 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:36:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C7A8613D861; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust39.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.39]) by mail1.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 425DF13D68F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:36:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:38:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Possibly, but not for anything I've thought of yet. See, the problem is that sewing this stuff is, no kidding, like sewing foam; the stitches sink deep, but you can't pull them tight, and no matter what you do the seam looks awful. So it's basically only good for something that requires no sewing, or only whipstitching the egdes. It hasn't gone to waste yet; I've still got it hanging around, and I've actually found a use for a small part of it: I'm making a man's cote from c1475 (ok, so I haven't worked on it in at least a year, but I'll get back to it one of these days), and using the superfulled wool to pad my rib cage into a pigeon-breasted male shape. =} Hey, there's an extant example where they used linen in the same way... -E (winter coat, winter cote...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > Could you use it for millinery? if it really is as stiff as cardboard it > could be perfect for a stiff type of hat (I'm thinking of a 19th century > bonnet as that's what I've been looking at lately, but I expect whatever > time period you prefer has some sort of stiff felted wool hat) I just hate > the thought of wool going to waste like that. > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:36:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59Ka2RM009843 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:36:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXtNX009147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXrch029429; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59JVpch080361 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8231126AF6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:31:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38027-01 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:31:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 4A55026BC3; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:31:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust39.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.39]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 40B5D26AF6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:31:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <02b701c44e58$a0485500$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040609132705.36683.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the fact that in these areas, jobs of any sort are often scarce should not be forgotten. Jobs that a lot of Americans would consider 'sweatshop jobs' are highly prized and generally have dozens or even hundreds more applicants than there are openings. Would you rather employ people who could easily find another job for the same wage in the 1st world, and wouldn't starve even if they couldn't find any job at all, or would you rather employ someone who has very few other options, and may be in serious trouble if they don't find work? -E (spent her childhood in a 3rd world country) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 9 16:36:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59Ka9RM009847 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:36:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXkNX009118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXjch029334; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59IXich035246 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:33:20 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:33:20 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: PoB X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:32:31 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pair of bodies was what I took it to mean. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >OK, I admit it! I can't recall what PoB stands for! > >Nancy Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:53:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADrDRM010168 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADq6NX013770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADpwch055851; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5A8s7ch028356 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.26]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i5A8rrTG026213 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:53:53 +1000 Message-ID: <007001c44ec8$738a84a0$ab90d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1ea.228803b3.2df71987@aol.com> <001c01c44d5d$ee73f2d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:53:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:51:56 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] weddingdress > > I am meting her in person in a material shop this afternoon. > I already told her that she had to pay me 3000. kr. in danish to make this > dress. including hoops and corset bones. She has to pay for the material > besides this! > > Bjarne The most popular way of charging for professional dressmaking is to start from a skilled wage for most jobs, e.g. if you were working in an office how much would you be paid? and use the same hourly rate for your job, it's only fair that you get paid for your sewing skill just as much as you would be paid for your skills on a computer. A friend of mine uses a stopwatch to time how long she spends doing each task and then gives that information to the customer to justify the total she charges. On top of that charge them for any materials you have to buy, e.g. cheap fabric for test fittings, boning, lining, thread etc.and include the time you spend shopping for those things in your hourly rate (if you need to mail order things like corset bones make sure you include the cost of postage). If you can tell your customer exactly what you are charging them for it's hard for them to get upset at you for charging a normal wage. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADtJRM010181 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADsmNX014014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADslch057288; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KoAch042717 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CE828E1D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:50:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p295.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.41]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 54590C59B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:50:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: PoB Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Correct. De -----Original Message----- Pair of bodies was what I took it to mean. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >OK, I admit it! I can't recall what PoB stands for! > >Nancy costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADtORM010184 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADshNX013995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADsgch057220; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KiXch038222 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBF11B26CC for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (userweb.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 12754-02 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C71CA1B269D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01b801c44e62$4c81c0f0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C65D48.8080603@in-tch.com><000501c44dba$b7c519a0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1><40C6872A.2020902@in-tch.com> <025e01c44e47$141a9ef0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:42:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO By Jove, I think you've got it! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? > A while back, during one of the many discussions of "How does this bodice > stay in place?" I busted out the graphics program, and zoomed in on the best > resolution version of this image I could find. And I'm pretty sure I found > the nice, simple solution to what's going on here. > > Look at the top of the gap, where you see the chemise tied. Zoom in, and you > see a fuzzy little triangle, that depicts where the chemise laces go. Now, > this may be hard to follow, because it's not easy for me to describe it > without hand gestures, but it's really easy when you test it out: > > 1) The chemise has ties. These are knotted, and one of the ends is left > really long. > > 2) That long end goes to one corner of the bodice, and passes through it > somehow (see below). Then it goes across to the other corner. This describes > two sides of that fuzzy triangle of lacing that you see. > > 3) The long end goes back up to the original knot made to close the chemise, > and is knotted with the original short end. There are now two ends hanging > down: the original short end, and the formerly long end which is now short > as well. > > Notice, also, that the reddish edges of the gap in the bodice are doubled; > there are two layers on each side there. This is what it looks like when I > make a hidden lacing closure; I think that normally, this dress laced closed > with a separate and hidden internal lacing. However, in this undress > portrait, the chemise lace acts as a makeshift, to hold the bodice up and > closed while still giving the air of dishabile. In other words, I don't > think the dress would normally have been worn as shown; however, as shown, > it does 'work' in the sense that the bodice is not being held up by sheer > artistic convention, but rather by a functional, if misused, chemise lace. > > I've uploaded a zoomed-in (3x, with no pixel interpolation) detail of the > painting, and a version tracing the line I see the chemise cord following: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure1.jpg (unedited zoom) > http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure2.jpg (tracing of the > cord--the squiggles indicate the first and second knots, with the lower > squiggle probably being the first knot and the upper one being the second) > > If anyone has a chemise that closes with ties and a bodice with internal > lacing holes, try it! It really does work. > > -E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADtURM010187 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADscNX013977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADsbch057174; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20507.mail.yahoo.com (web20507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59Kc2ch032617 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pennyrobertsho@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040609203758.36052.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.64.34.61] by web20507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:37:58 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Roberts Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002a01c44e2b$da15f990$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Messenger _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADtWRM010191 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADssNX014032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADsrch057328; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59L0Gch050936 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6192129075 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:00:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p295.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.41]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 10BEFC5EC for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:00:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <025e01c44e47$141a9ef0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think you have something! I don't think it is laced as you describe it. I think that the ties for the camicia are even and go to the corner opposite of each other. The right goes to the left corner and the left corner goes to the right and it ties in front. I don't think this is a quick fix, I think it is a way of tying the bodice, not a common way but a way none the less. It is from the thickness of the bodice that I though that there wasn't a PoB, so I concluded that the painter forgot to paint the ties in until you pointed out your discovery. By the way, The portrait says it is Venice why are people calling it Florentine? De -----Original Message----- A while back, during one of the many discussions of "How does this bodice stay in place?" I busted out the graphics program, and zoomed in on the best resolution version of this image I could find. And I'm pretty sure I found the nice, simple solution to what's going on here. Look at the top of the gap, where you see the chemise tied. Zoom in, and you see a fuzzy little triangle, that depicts where the chemise laces go. Now, this may be hard to follow, because it's not easy for me to describe it without hand gestures, but it's really easy when you test it out: 1) The chemise has ties. These are knotted, and one of the ends is left really long. 2) That long end goes to one corner of the bodice, and passes through it somehow (see below). Then it goes across to the other corner. This describes two sides of that fuzzy triangle of lacing that you see. 3) The long end goes back up to the original knot made to close the chemise, and is knotted with the original short end. There are now two ends hanging down: the original short end, and the formerly long end which is now short as well. Notice, also, that the reddish edges of the gap in the bodice are doubled; there are two layers on each side there. This is what it looks like when I make a hidden lacing closure; I think that normally, this dress laced closed with a separate and hidden internal lacing. However, in this undress portrait, the chemise lace acts as a makeshift, to hold the bodice up and closed while still giving the air of dishabile. In other words, I don't think the dress would normally have been worn as shown; however, as shown, it does 'work' in the sense that the bodice is not being held up by sheer artistic convention, but rather by a functional, if misused, chemise lace. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADtbRM010194 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADt1NX014052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADt0ch057370; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59LgAch083349 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.4a.2cd1ac47 (2519) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.2cd1ac47.2df8de25@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:41:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: PoB To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5028 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/9/04 5:02:02 AM Central Daylight Time, MaddNancy@aol.com writes: OK, I admit it! I can't recall what PoB stands for! Nancy Bless you for saying that Nancy ... I don't know if I ever knew to begin with!!! LOL ::racking what's left of my brain:: -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADtqRM010197 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtCNX014085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtBch057486; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav24.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59Lspch092537 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:54:43 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav24.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:54:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub><000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole> <026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:55:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2004 21:54:43.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F1D3280:01C44E6C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you do try to sew it again, butt the edges instead of doing a traditional seam. Since it's wool the edges won't come undone, and you won't be stuck with the bulk of seam allowances. Or, if you can't do anything with it, use it as blankets. I dream of having something like that to sleep in :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > Possibly, but not for anything I've thought of yet. See, the problem is that > sewing this stuff is, no kidding, like sewing foam; the stitches sink deep, > but you can't pull them tight, and no matter what you do the seam looks > awful. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:55:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADttRM010200 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:55:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtINX014106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtHch057546; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav7.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59LuHch093637 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:56:11 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav7.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:56:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040609134218.47218.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:57:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2004 21:56:11.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[93F50780:01C44E6C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Seems similar to what you can see in PoF. There's a pic of a corset that's been partially taken apart, and it contains bunches of reeds, or whatever they're called. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset > I have seen people use bamboo, tiny sticks of them bunched together. THey say it is more comfortable, light, and breathes. I haven't tried it personally though. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:56:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADuARM010203 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtQNX014124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtPch057643; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59M7Fch001807 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040609220708012002k2c1e>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:07:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c44e6e$1eefd620$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002a01c44e2b$da15f990$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: PoB Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:07:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, dear! Ok, I probably should not use my weird typo shourtcuts on line. It's Pair (P) of (o) Bodies (B)= PoB Sorry for the confusion... Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: PoB > Post office box?? I missed that message. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > > Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:01 AM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: [h-cost] Re: PoB > > > > OK, I admit it! I can't recall what PoB stands for! > > > > Nancy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:56:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADuHRM010206 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:56:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADteNX014172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtdch057812; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59MJPch010818 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040609221918012002krp3e>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:19:18 +0000 Message-ID: <004901c44e6f$d1f77b50$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040609141007.73413.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:19:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Janet, LOL! You are *so* right. My guy friend brought over the 'elizabethan costume' that some one else made for him and it was *so* painful to see. Ohmigosh! *SUCH* a horrible fit, wrong fabric and obviously worn out. *shudder*. Apparently it was the only 'good' costume he had...poor guy! When I am finished making him his bartered elizabethan shirt, cote and upperstocks he will *know* why I was so demanding. Yet, when I sew the simple t-tunics, I only need to take the required measurements, maybe one fitting (just to make sure the sleeves are the right length, maybe) and then out the door with it. I can usually make those in a day or two, depending on the 'details' requested. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Gia > > I completely agree with that for a properly fitted outfit. An outfit that doesn't matter so much you have flexibility with. An ELizabethan does not. If it doesn't fit right then it is a disaster. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:56:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADuKRM010209 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADsUNX013954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADsUch057096; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59KXwch029422 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.170]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040609203348.RACB7058.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:33:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c44e61$0f7d9860$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040609133802.41217.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:33:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another good source would be old Hudson's Bay and Eaton's catologues, check your local library or archive for those. (my Grandma had one from the 40's) Sheridan > > kim baird wrote: > I would look at Dover's Fashions from the Sears Catalog series. They > have one for the 1920's and one for the 1930's. > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Connie / Jacyntha > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:22 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's & 1930's > > > I need, on a very short time frame, some pictures of what urban > Caucasian Canadian (but I'll take American if need be) women, men and > adolescents (14-18 yr. old) were wearing from 1920 through 1940. > > I'm sure there are many web sites out there, but because of the short > time frame I thought I'd ask the experts! > > Thank you all for your time, > Connie > > aka Jacyntha > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/04 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! 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Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:56:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADuPRM010212 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtpNX014216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtoch057923; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51109.mail.yahoo.com (web51109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.130]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59NaCch063087 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040609233606.59783.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.236.78] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:36:06 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1086785823.40c7091f4dcef@webmail.soton.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO what is a bents?? anyone have 2 aa batteries? my keyboard is neding them badly. Anne --- Hilary Davidson wrote: > I've just done a handstitched 16th c. corset too, > but used bents. they're brilliant, so light > but fully supportive. I started a mock up one with > flat steel, and far prefer the bents. Now > I'm working on the accompanying farthingale. > > > On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 05:27 am, otsisto > wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > I've done a 16th c. corset with spring steel in it, > and it was really > heavy, too! The next time I make one, I want to try > some natural > stiffeners--reed or hemp, or a whalebone substitute. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:56:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADuwRM010221 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADt6NX014070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADt6ch057436; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59Lofch089581 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6594A319212 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:50:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40C78625.7000502@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:50:29 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I buy my reeds for corsets at IKEA. Just those reed windowhades. I like the corset with reeds very much. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Bluedress/Bluedress.html http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Pirates/Elisabeth/Elisabeth.html I put one in every chanel and I never broke one. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADvLRM010225 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtYNX014149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtYch057739; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59M81ch002397 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040609220753012002jvl4e>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:07:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c44e6e$3a53b530$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:07:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are a godess! I'm bookmarking this page. Thank you! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa-list" To: "lisa-list" ; "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corset > > Gia > > I've put some of the costume related pages from Gerard's Herbal on line at > http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/publications/Gerard/gerard.htm > > you will find reeds and rushes. If anyone knows if these were the varieties > of grasses used for stiffening I would be most interested in hearing so. > The pages are all images so they will load slowly. The book is from the > early 1600's. > > Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:57:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADvkRM010229 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:57:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtjNX014195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADtjch057876; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51101.mail.yahoo.com (web51101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59NG0ch049956 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040609231555.70943.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.236.78] by web51101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:15:55 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Merideth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <025e01c44e47$141a9ef0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E, wow. i'm speachless. my keyboard is not working rigt I thinnk it needs new batteris. THakyou anne --- E House wrote: > A while back, during one of the many discussions of > "How does this bodice > stay in place?" I busted out the graphics program, > and zoomed in on the best > resolution version of this image I could find. And > I'm pretty sure I found > the nice, simple solution to what's going on here. > > Look at the top of the gap, where you see the > chemise tied. Zoom in, and you > see a fuzzy little triangle, that depicts where the > chemise laces go. Now, > this may be hard to follow, because it's not easy > for me to describe it > without hand gestures, but it's really easy when you > test it out: > > 1) The chemise has ties. These are knotted, and one > of the ends is left > really long. > > 2) That long end goes to one corner of the bodice, > and passes through it > somehow (see below). Then it goes across to the > other corner. This describes > two sides of that fuzzy triangle of lacing that you > see. > > 3) The long end goes back up to the original knot > made to close the chemise, > and is knotted with the original short end. There > are now two ends hanging > down: the original short end, and the formerly long > end which is now short > as well. > > Notice, also, that the reddish edges of the gap in > the bodice are doubled; > there are two layers on each side there. This is > what it looks like when I > make a hidden lacing closure; I think that normally, > this dress laced closed > with a separate and hidden internal lacing. However, > in this undress > portrait, the chemise lace acts as a makeshift, to > hold the bodice up and > closed while still giving the air of dishabile. In > other words, I don't > think the dress would normally have been worn as > shown; however, as shown, > it does 'work' in the sense that the bodice is not > being held up by sheer > artistic convention, but rather by a functional, if > misused, chemise lace. > > I've uploaded a zoomed-in (3x, with no pixel > interpolation) detail of the > painting, and a version tracing the line I see the > chemise cord following: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure1.jpg > (unedited zoom) > http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure2.jpg > (tracing of the > cord--the squiggles indicate the first and second > knots, with the lower > squiggle probably being the first knot and the upper > one being the second) > > If anyone has a chemise that closes with ties and a > bodice with internal > lacing holes, try it! It really does work. > > -E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:58:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADw0RM010233 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:58:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADu7NX014264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADu7ch058090; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5A2pFci062058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5A2tYfc029713 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:55:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5A2tY9k029711 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:55:34 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:55:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040609134218.47218.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040609134218.47218.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406092255.34337.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 09 June 2004 09:42 am, Janet Renzetti wrote: > I have seen people use bamboo, tiny sticks of them bunched together. THey > say it is more comfortable, light, and breathes. I haven't tried it > personally though. I'd agree on the "light and breathes" part. But I've also heard that bamboo is tough, and leaves sharp points if it breaks--not something I'd want to have lots of pieces of surrounding my torso. (Though I'd be interested to hear opinions from anyone whose actually worked with it). -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 09:58:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ADwDRM010237 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADu0NX014246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ADu0ch058013; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5A1foch029088 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Jacyntha@shaw.ca) Received: from pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.10]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HZ200149KIPW0@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HZ200DUGKIPX070@pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Customer (S0106009027aee9bf.vc.shawcable.net [24.83.13.246]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HZ2005XHKIOWI@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:38:20 -0700 From: Connie / Jacyntha Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's &1930's To: Historical Costume Message-id: <004b01c44e8b$9de3f700$f60d5318@vc.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <51.3fae32d8.2df8926f@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:54:28 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the suggestion but I just don't have the time for that, unfortunately. I just need a few images to compare how fashion changed over the decades. I'm finding some, but not very good ones. Back to the search, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's &1930's > >>>>>>> > I need, on a very short time frame, some pictures of what urban Caucasian > > Canadian (but I'll take American if need be) women, men and adolescents > > (14-18 yr. old) were wearing from 1920 through 1940. > > >>>>>>> > > Not a website, but if you have a good-sized bookstore handy take a look at > Everyday Fashions Of The Twenties from Dover Books. American fashions, but I > believe Sears (a major source for that book) shipped to Canada as well. I don't > have the Thirties and Forties books yet, but if they're anything like the > Twenties book they would be good references as well. > > Leah > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:55:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEt5RM010552 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEsXNX019597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEsSch095605; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i59M5fch000660 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:05:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200406091705.AA278528150@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I totally agree. Some work is better than nothing. I'll tell you, the embroidery (Hand of course) on the scarf I saw was absolutely perfect. I was rather embarassed at my machine work after that, considering the cost I would charge for my time. Then again, I live in Sacramento, so I can charge less for my work than if I had a mortgage in LA or New York. It's not easy to be an equitable person, even if you want to be given the unbalanced economic structures that exist when you attempt to by some pretty trim....... Lisa Sinervo ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "E House" Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:21 -0500 >I think the fact that in these areas, jobs of any sort are often scarce >should not be forgotten. Jobs that a lot of Americans would consider >'sweatshop jobs' are highly prized and generally have dozens or even >hundreds more applicants than there are openings. Would you rather employ >people who could easily find another job for the same wage in the 1st world, >and wouldn't starve even if they couldn't find any job at all, or would you >rather employ someone who has very few other options, and may be in serious >trouble if they don't find work? > >-E (spent her childhood in a 3rd world country) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:56:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEuMRM010562 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:56:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEtgNX019749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEtgch096470; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail8.plugit.com [66.210.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5A2sOch063544 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD314D10022; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:53:37 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACE65620218; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:52:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c44e96$11282100$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040608194515.6193.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com><002c01c44dd7$609484f0$0300a8c0@MOM> <002201c44e23$1be4fc30$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:53:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your welcome Gia. In August of every year, I received listing information for the film catalog. I will post the info when I receive it again. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:56:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEuVRM010565 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:56:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEtpNX019777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEtoch096614; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5A3OJch078210 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 703425CC275; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0017.floodcity.net [198.93.211.17]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B83F5CC0CF for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C7D3A6.59211B6D@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:21:10 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Normal? -- Chivalry References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040608142430.00b7f8d0@mail.katiesorchids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katie Pleasance wrote: > 3. Wearing a very full-skirted, lightweight sun-dress on a very windy day > probably helped, even though I'm nearly 60 . > LOL, I found since I began wearing skirts about 10 years ago that even though I am very heavy and not young anymore, I am getting a lot more men of all ages opening doors for me, etc. somehow skirts seem to bring that out in a lot of guys. even Most guys. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:56:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEujRM010568 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEu8NX019834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEu6ch096835; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AE9ech065788 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200406101409310130097cjme>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:09:31 +0000 Message-ID: <006301c44ef4$91195600$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub><000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole><026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:09:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, that is the best way to sew that kind over-felted wool. Basically I've treat my over-felted wool like working with leather. As long as the edges nice and 'clean', cut precisely to snug each other, it works like a dream. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > If you do try to sew it again, butt the edges instead of doing a traditional > seam. Since it's wool the edges won't come undone, and you won't be stuck > with the bulk of seam allowances. > > Or, if you can't do anything with it, use it as blankets. I dream of having > something like that to sleep in :-) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:57:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEvXRM010575 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEuuNX019897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEuuch097380; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEW2ch080130 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB87A26BA3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:31:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28416-06 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:31:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id A268B26BA6; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:31:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust41.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.41]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C44D26B8D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:31:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub><000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole><026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:33:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Butting doesn't work very well either--the thread still just sinks way too deep and yet can't be pulled tight. Seriously, imagine sewing foam. And it shrank too much in width to be a blanket! Not trying to be negative here, just trying to let everyone know exactly how useless your wool can get if you go too far with that whole fulling thing. It's not entirely, 100% useless, but it's a good 97% useless, and it will probably be 20 years before I find enough use for it to use it up. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEvnRM010579 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:57:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEu0NX019813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEtxch096749; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AE41ch062593 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040610140352013009dfg9e>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:03:52 +0000 Message-ID: <005b01c44ef3$c75655c0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40C78625.7000502@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:03:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh dear...hmmm...guess where I'll be going when I get paid? I am ever *so* naughty...but I guess we really don't need all the extra grocery goodies..the chocolate will be on sale again... Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset > I buy my reeds for corsets at IKEA. > Just those reed windowhades. > I like the corset with reeds very much. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Bluedress/Bluedress.html > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Pirates/Elisabeth/Elisabeth.html > I put one in every chanel and I never broke one. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 10:58:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AEwXRM010582 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:58:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEunNX019874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEukch097253; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AEDcch068179 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200406101413290130098rffe>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: <007301c44ef5$1f69fbd0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040609203758.36052.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:54:27 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, this is not *really* my period...but I *think* it is another name for corsets in the elizabethan period. An undergarment worn over the chemise and under the gown or whatever. Someone else who actually knows this period better than I will probably give you a better answer. Emer \ Gia Taking a stab at a guess... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Roberts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB > Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:42:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFghRM010919 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgANX024598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFg6ch030698; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AEwich098787 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610145838.4358.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:58:38 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:58:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004901c44e6f$d1f77b50$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO HEy Gia You hit it exactly. I have seen some people strut around so proud of their stuff, but I look at it wonder where it came from. If they are novice at the sewing and these ar ethe outfits they are putting out, then CONGRATS to them because it is a lot of work. IF they paid someone to do it, then it wouldbe ncie to go over their stuff and point out where they need to have to changed for future garments. My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. I know this wandered a little from the topic (I just got up), but the detail required, which was the topic, varies with he garment as you and I know and gives the flexibility that we can workwith. Also research sure helps. Janet Gia wrote: Janet, LOL! You are *so* right. My guy friend brought over the 'elizabethan costume' that some one else made for him and it was *so* painful to see. Ohmigosh! *SUCH* a horrible fit, wrong fabric and obviously worn out. *shudder*. Apparently it was the only 'good' costume he had...poor guy! When I am finished making him his bartered elizabethan shirt, cote and upperstocks he will *know* why I was so demanding. Yet, when I sew the simple t-tunics, I only need to take the required measurements, maybe one fitting (just to make sure the sleeves are the right length, maybe) and then out the door with it. I can usually make those in a day or two, depending on the 'details' requested. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Gia > > I completely agree with that for a properly fitted outfit. An outfit that doesn't matter so much you have flexibility with. An ELizabethan does not. If it doesn't fit right then it is a disaster. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:43:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFhMRM010924 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgUNX024688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgTch030997; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AF3rch002751 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-46-003.jps.net ([209.165.46.3] helo=KALC) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYR5q-0003NT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:03:51 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <007301c44ef5$1f69fbd0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes, a corset Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gia Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PoB Well, this is not *really* my period...but I *think* it is another name for corsets in the elizabethan period. An undergarment worn over the chemise and under the gown or whatever. Someone else who actually knows this period better than I will probably give you a better answer. Emer \ Gia Taking a stab at a guess... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Roberts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB > Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:43:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFhPRM010927 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgeNX024715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgcch031114; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFA4ch007234 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.169] (pm5-169.eos.net [205.133.149.169]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFA068015555 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:08:29 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200406101428.i5AES8ci077735@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver running MimeDefang and SPAMAssassin X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pair of bodies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pair of bodies = corset, I believe. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFhjRM010937 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:43:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgwNX024776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgvch031395; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40406.mail.yahoo.com (web40406.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AFBFch008055 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040610151108.49740.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:11:08 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406101428.i5AES8cj077735@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update on Desdemona's dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, First of all, I want to say THANK YOU!! to everyone who gave my daughter suggestions for her school project. Amazingly enough, she whipped the dress together in a few hours (although I had to explain almost every step of the sewing instructions to her, LOL). She made the handkerchief and decorated it with strawberries (from Othello) and yellow flowers (someone's suggestion to use yellow for strength). She also made a wreath from willow branches. She did her presentation yesterday and only got a few points deducted for her speaking abilities (probably too many 'ummms') -- full marks for the gown itself and her research and interpretation! The teacher liked her presentation so much, he asked to keep the hankie. :-) I posted a couple pictures here: Again, thank you so much for all your help. Hannah is now inspired to make a better version of the dress (no zipper, better fitted, etc). Yay! She's caught the bug!! :-D ~Mary ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:43:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFhtRM010943 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhINX024857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhIch031706; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AFJech013966 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:19:22 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:19:22 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry! It is the 16th century term for what we call a corset, or a bodice the term can be interchangeble for both. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:44:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFi5RM010947 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhONX024875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhOch031797; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from trickle.cc.mcgill.ca (trickle.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFNWch017013 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@mail.mcgill.ca) Received: from viroid.mcgill.ca (viroid.McGill.CA [132.206.27.56]) by trickle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5AFNSHL023063 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wgrappe2.cc.mcgill.ca (web27-2.McGill.CA [132.206.27.101]) by viroid.mcgill.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFNKxm019136 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wgrappe2.cc.mcgill.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wgrappe2.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFNFJ4022966 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:15 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by wgrappe2.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5AFNFar022964 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: wgrappe2.cc.mcgill.ca: apache set sender to joanna.hobbins@mail.mcgill.ca using -f Received: from GIS131.Library.McGill.CA (GIS131.Library.McGill.CA [132.216.28.131]) by webmail.mcgill.ca (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1086880995.40c87ce3215a9@webmail.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:15 -0400 From: Joanna Hobbins To: Historical Costume References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> <027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole> <026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> <030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 132.216.28.131 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ECCO X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Has anybody had a chance to look at Eighteenth Century Collections Online? My university just subscribed to it on monday. It looks like a companion collection to EEBO. The descripton is: ECCO is a full-text digitized database of books, pamphlets, broadsides and ephemera in English and foreign languages published in the British Empire and in English elsewhere in the world, from 1701-1800. The Eighteenth Century database represents the combined collections of the British Library, the Library of Congress, the Bodleian Library, Harvard, and 11 other institutions. The texts are digitized versions of the Eighteenth Century microfilm collection produced by Primary Source Microfilm, all items of which are recorded and indexed in the English Short Title Catalogue (ESTC) online. Promising titles include: Strutt, Joseph. A complete view of the dress and habits of the people of England, from the establishment of the Saxons in Britain to the present time, illustrated by engravings ... By Joseph Strutt. ... Vol. 1. London, 1796-99. 2 vols. Robertson, Hannah. The young ladies school of arts. Containing a great variety of practical receipts, in gum-flowers, filligree, japanning, ... together with directions for breeding canary birds, and ... silk-worm. ... By Mrs. Hannah Robertson. The fourth edition, with large additions York, 1784. Valuable secrets concerning arts and trades: or approved directions, from the best artists, ... Containing upwards of one thousand approved receipts relative to arts and trades. London, 1775. Waller, John, gold and silver wire drawer. An appeal to the nobility and gentry, in regard to the gold and silver lace, brocades, embroidery, and gold and silver ribbon of this kingdom. ... London, 1755 A new universal history of arts and sciences, shewing their origin, progress, theory, use and practice, and exhibiting the invention, structure, improvement, and uses, of the most considerable instruments, ... decyphered in fifty two copper-plates. In two volumes. Vol. 1. London, 1759. 2 vols. cheers, Joanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:44:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFiARM010950 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:44:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhVNX024901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhVch031883; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFWZch023654 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040610153225013009dqhoe>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:32:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c44f00$26a74ff0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub><000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole><026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> <030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:32:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you using regular sewing thread? Have you tried handsewing with a good tapestry thread/yarn? That is what I've used (doubled) and not only did it not sink in, it also produced lovely decorative seams. But then, my over-fulled wool didn't turn out as intensely dense as yours... Happy Stitches! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > Butting doesn't work very well either--the thread still just sinks way too > deep and yet can't be pulled tight. Seriously, imagine sewing foam. And it > shrank too much in width to be a blanket! Not trying to be negative here, > just trying to let everyone know exactly how useless your wool can get if > you go too far with that whole fulling thing. It's not entirely, 100% > useless, but it's a good 97% useless, and it will probably be 20 years > before I find enough use for it to use it up. > > -E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:44:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFiPRM010955 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:44:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgNNX024658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFgMch030904; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AF2sch002091 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-46-003.jps.net ([209.165.46.3] helo=KALC) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYR4u-0003BF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:02:52 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:02:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hot pads!!!! Think Hot Pads!!! Hundreds of 'em..... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:34 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Butting doesn't work very well either--the thread still just sinks way too deep and yet can't be pulled tight. Seriously, imagine sewing foam. And it shrank too much in width to be a blanket! Not trying to be negative here, just trying to let everyone know exactly how useless your wool can get if you go too far with that whole fulling thing. It's not entirely, 100% useless, but it's a good 97% useless, and it will probably be 20 years before I find enough use for it to use it up. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:44:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFirRM010961 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:44:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFh6NX024818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFh5ch031532; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFDech009828 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D98A1D0B1 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:13:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p177.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.179]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 10A40D3EC for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:13:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:13:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040609203758.36052.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Something akin to a corset. De -----Original Message----- Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 11:44:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AFixRM010965 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:44:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhCNX024840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFhCch031630; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFDfch009850 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:13:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F6D1D0B8 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:13:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p177.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.179]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9445ED3EC for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:13:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001b01c44e6e$1eefd620$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:42:06 -0600 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use PoB and I think it was my email w/PoB that started the confussion. :) De -----Original Message----- Oh, dear! Ok, I probably should not use my weird typo shourtcuts on line. It's Pair (P) of (o) Bodies (B)= PoB Sorry for the confusion... Emer \ Gia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:12:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGC7RM011073 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGBGNX027968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGBFch053621; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFw7ch042942 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004061015575801400c4ec4e>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:57:58 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c44f03$b64c0cb0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040610145838.4358.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:58:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. Happy Stitches! Emer > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:12:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGC8RM011076 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:12:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGBPNX028002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGBPch053758; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AG4Ech047658 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610160354.26037.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:03:54 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:03:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Desdemona's dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20040610151108.49740.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Mary VERY well done. Beautiful dress and daughter. Congrats too to her success and for getting into the sewing. Janet Mary wrote: Hi all, First of all, I want to say THANK YOU!! to everyone who gave my daughter suggestions for her school project. Amazingly enough, she whipped the dress together in a few hours (although I had to explain almost every step of the sewing instructions to her, LOL). She made the handkerchief and decorated it with strawberries (from Othello) and yellow flowers (someone's suggestion to use yellow for strength). She also made a wreath from willow branches. She did her presentation yesterday and only got a few points deducted for her speaking abilities (probably too many 'ummms') -- full marks for the gown itself and her research and interpretation! The teacher liked her presentation so much, he asked to keep the hankie. :-) I posted a couple pictures here: Again, thank you so much for all your help. Hannah is now inspired to make a better version of the dress (no zipper, better fitted, etc). Yay! She's caught the bug!! :-D ~Mary ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:13:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGDaRM011084 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGBaNX028041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGBWch053862; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AG7Gch050338 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0310.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.56]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYS5D-0000KY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:16 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200406091705.AA278528150@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are several good handwork cooperatives in India (I apologize that at the moment I can't retrieve the names of the couple whose catalogs I get, but my brain has a SLOW operating system!). I wonder if they would sell their embroidered work by the yard as well as the finished garments and napery they list in their catalogs. I have purchased from them and can attest to the quality of their work, and I know what you mean about quality overall embroidery. From what I can tell from their publicity, they seem to be doing fine work socially as well as product-wise, and they are committed to improving their members' (workers') lives. Maybe you could enquire through them, either for purchasing or for recommendations about purchasing elsewhere. You're right: it's not easy having a social conscience and bills at the same time! But I think the social conscience is a very valuable asset. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 6/9/04 6:05 PM, Lisa Sinervo at Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com wrote: > Yes, I totally agree. Some work is better than nothing. I'll tell you, the > embroidery (Hand of course) on the scarf I saw was > absolutely perfect. I was rather embarassed at my machine work after that, > considering the cost I would charge for my time. Then again, I live in > Sacramento, so I can charge less for my work than if I had a mortgage in LA or > New York. > > It's not easy to be an equitable person, even if you want to be given the > unbalanced economic structures that exist when you attempt to by some pretty > trim....... > > Lisa Sinervo > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "E House" > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:33:21 -0500 > >> I think the fact that in these areas, jobs of any sort are often scarce >> should not be forgotten. Jobs that a lot of Americans would consider >> 'sweatshop jobs' are highly prized and generally have dozens or even >> hundreds more applicants than there are openings. Would you rather employ >> people who could easily find another job for the same wage in the 1st world, >> and wouldn't starve even if they couldn't find any job at all, or would you >> rather employ someone who has very few other options, and may be in serious >> trouble if they don't find work? >> >> -E (spent her childhood in a 3rd world country) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGGqRM011091 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGAaNX027872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGAXch053022; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AFoMch037164 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004061015501501500fg6aoe>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:50:15 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c44f02$a272d4e0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:50:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops! Sorry. I'd recently used it in one of my emails. LOL! Maybe I got it from you, from a *way* earlier post and just plunked it in one of those dusty and cobwebbed archival brain cells that didn't bother to note whence it came. It's very handy, too! Happy Stitches! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: PoB > I use PoB and I think it was my email w/PoB that started the confussion. :) > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Oh, dear! Ok, I probably should not use my weird typo shourtcuts on line. > > It's Pair (P) of (o) Bodies (B)= PoB > > Sorry for the confusion... > Emer \ Gia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:22:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGMJRM011182 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:22:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGLgNX029154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGLdch061830; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGLKch061506 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1117075 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:21:14 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:21:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Desdemona's dress From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040610151108.49740.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mary, your daughter did a great job on her first project! it's lovely. And she's a beauty. Please congratulate her on a job well done. LynnD On 6/10/04 8:11 AM, "Mary" wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I want to say THANK YOU!! to everyone who gave my > daughter suggestions for her school project. Amazingly enough, she > whipped the dress together in a few hours (although I had to explain > almost every step of the sewing instructions to her, LOL). She made > the handkerchief and decorated it with strawberries (from Othello) > and yellow flowers (someone's suggestion to use yellow for strength). > She also made a wreath from willow branches. > > She did her presentation yesterday and only got a few points deducted > for her speaking abilities (probably too many 'ummms') -- full marks > for the gown itself and her research and interpretation! The teacher > liked her presentation so much, he asked to keep the hankie. :-) > > I posted a couple pictures here: > > > > > Again, thank you so much for all your help. Hannah is now inspired > to make a better version of the dress (no zipper, better fitted, > etc). Yay! She's caught the bug!! :-D > > ~Mary > > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:25:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGPDRM011204 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGOeNX029457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGOLch063882; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGNich063411 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004061016233601500ffu7ee>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:23:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c44f07$4bf2b860$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040610151108.49740.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Desdemona's dress Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:23:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WOW!!! so beautiful! Both the gown and your daughter... I'm glad she caught 'the bug'! Sometimes it takes just doing something that is exquisitely gorgeous. Happy Stitching! Emer \ Gia > > She did her presentation yesterday and only got a few points deducted > for her speaking abilities (probably too many 'ummms') -- full marks > for the gown itself and her research and interpretation! The teacher > liked her presentation so much, he asked to keep the hankie. :-) > > I posted a couple pictures here: > > > > > Again, thank you so much for all your help. Hannah is now inspired > to make a better version of the dress (no zipper, better fitted, > etc). Yay! She's caught the bug!! :-D > > ~Mary > > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGaJRM011315 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGZZNX000858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGZTch072790; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGZRch072659 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from someone@eskimo.com) Received: from bently (c-24-19-168-204.client.comcast.net[24.19.168.204]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040610163520012002kqive>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:35:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c44e40$8abc82a0$2a02a8c0@Belkin> From: "Pam and David" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c44d81$54614fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ot America Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:40:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Be careful, Bjarne! You're playing right into the hands of those who would stereotype Europeans as a bunch of snotty, self-righteous prigs too weak to defend themselves and too morally bankrupt to help defend anyone else. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [h-cost] ot America > And > Let me tell you a little thing out there in America! > I think you are spoiled people, living in big houses and letting your > government take two much participation in european and world issue.< You > love to be a police of the world, legt me tell you > We hate you over here in Europe!!! > And you are two over weight also!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:41:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGflRM011359 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:41:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGf5NX001371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGe4ch076637; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGdMch075961 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from someone@eskimo.com) Received: from bently (c-24-19-168-204.client.comcast.net[24.19.168.204]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004061016391401100feu2ne>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:39:15 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c44e41$17041200$2a02a8c0@Belkin> From: "Pam and David" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040609133433.GA18820@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Please Read - note from the list admin Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:44:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops, sorry. I sent my comment about Bjarne before I read this note. Next time, when I get behind in my reading, I'll read everything before I post about anything. Pam Dotson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Lear" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] Please Read - note from the list admin > I was hoping this was only a brief thing that would blow over quickly, > but I don't see that happening. I am therefore requesting as the list > owner that people return to on-topic discussions on the list. I also > hope that people will return to moving the conversations forward in a > positive manner. > > Thanks. > ...eliz, list admin > > -- > "It seemed so clear to me - once I'd wised up to the idea that life is > not a straight road with no exit ramps - that life presented > opportunities all along the way for a person to change directions." > - Alice Steinbach > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 12:52:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AGqYRM011456 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGoRNX002638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGoPch086178; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:50:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AGo9ch085870 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-135-62.client.comcast.net [24.21.135.62]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5AGnxk14367 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:49:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:53:50 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] signing off for a bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I am signing off for a bit while I am away for a month. Don't talk about anything good while I'm gone. :D best regards, Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Public Relations Manager Sauron/Voldemort 2004 Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 13:30:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AHUiRM011600 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHSFNX006747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHS0ch015396; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AHRwch015300 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610172752.5177.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:27:52 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002301c44f03$b64c0cb0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Gia I am sending some pics. Not the best, but they are at least something. THere are 4 in total, but Yahoo only allows 3 at a time, so I will send them 2 + 2. The blue one has a frthingale and the pink one does not. Tudor was of course pre-Elizabethan and so hoops were starting to grow. THe blue dress I made to fit exactly, but the material is a loose weave (which you can't tell by the pic) so I made a corset with almost no boning just so that all the breathing would put stress on the corset not the dress. I am not in the habit of wearing corsets, if I wore them I can't hold the farthingales up. I made suspenders for it, but I am too think for it and pins don't hold :) Janet Gia wrote: Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. Happy Stitches! Emer > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 13:32:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AHWKRM011607 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHVbNX007024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHV0ch017663; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHUYch017323 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21109 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:30:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Update on Desdemona's dress Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:30:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040610151108.49740.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mary: The teacher had better given her an A if he wanted to keep the hankie! If you have a local paper, see if it runs stories of all the good stuff kids do with parents. This would make a lovely story. I would also keep the dress, if I were her, especially if there are RenFaires in your area or if she has a dance or prom where she could wear it, as it is different and romantic from the current usual run of prom dresses. And she looks great in it--you and she should be very proud. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 14:00:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AI04RM011835 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:00:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHuoNX009909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:56:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHukch061434; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mdx.safepages.com (mail2.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHuhch061350 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6B91D22D9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:56:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04839-05 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:56:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail2.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D227D1D22DF; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:56:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust94.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.94]) by mail2.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A2F701D22B8 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:56:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <032501c44f14$80872fe0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <51.3fae32d8.2df8926f@aol.com> <004b01c44e8b$9de3f700$f60d5318@vc.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for Assistance - 1920's &1930's Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:57:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Library of Congress website has a neat section of old photos, including tons from the 1920s & 1930s. Go here: http://snipurl.com/6zic (if that doesn't work, here's the full link: Check the boxes beside the ones with the right dates (even if it's an odd category, like architecture, because a lot of times the buildings have people standing around in them or what not). Put in a really generic search term like "women" and you'll find a ton of every day stuff. Each photo will have general information like its date, the location, etc. Expect to find several thousand photos more than you need. =} -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 14:01:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AI1oRM011848 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:01:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHxPNX010226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AHxNch063440; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AHvKch061836 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610175714.26664.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:57:14 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002301c44f03$b64c0cb0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gia SOmething I forgot to mentionabout these dresses are that they are a couple of years old. THe pink dress was my forst period garb and I made it 3 years ago when I was trying to figure out how to use a serger. It is showing its age and it isn't as good as the stuff I put out now. THe blue dress I made 2 years ago for a renaissance dance demo for the half time show. Both I used and modified commercial patterns. NOw I design and build my own from scratch. FInd apicture or draw my own then draft a pattern. THey are turning out better now, but then that usually happens with practise and more experience. My other tuff I don't have pctures of. My sister has a beautiful dress that I found the picture on the net somewhere. It turned out beautiful, slightly pre-tudor, but around the time youa re looking for. If I find the pics I will send it to you too. I am WAY more proud of that dress for my sis than I am of the ones I sent to you. Janet Gia wrote: Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. Happy Stitches! Emer > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 14:04:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AI4cRM011909 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:04:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AI3pNX010703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AI3nch066982; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:03:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AI01ch063936 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:00:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07461831B1 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:59:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15471-07 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:59:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3E8D31831A1; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:59:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust94.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.94]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E6DB21831A7 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:59:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <033601c44f14$f7301440$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub><000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole><026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub><030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000701c44f00$26a74ff0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:01:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, the density is the problem there--the thicker stuff either won't go through it, or is so shredded that I have to tie off after 2 stitches. And silk just cuts it! But next time I need the period equivalent of foam? Right there, baby. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 14:08:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AI8HRM011934 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AI7YNX011102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AI7Wch069938; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AI2Uch065902 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:02:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610180225.80900.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:02:25 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002301c44f03$b64c0cb0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Gia Did my 3 e-mails I sent to you re:pics go to you directbecause only the fourth and last one bounced to me through the lists. I found it strange that they hadn't shown up yet. Janet Gia wrote: Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. Happy Stitches! Emer > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 14:21:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AILJRM011969 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AIKLNX012997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AIKIch080043; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fallback02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (fallback02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AIKHch080027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by fallback02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5AH2Ce18944 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0310.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.56]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYSvt-0003Lr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:01:42 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:02:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Desdemona's dress From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c44f07$4bf2b860$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, she looks just lovely. And the willow leaves look beautiful around her face. Congratulations to her! And thank YOU for showing us how this very interesting project turned out. My compliments to the teacher, too--I wonder if I could get away with working in a similar assignment for my college Shakespeare course! (Back in "the day," professors sometimes did--I remember making a 4' x 4' three-dimensional map of the Faerie Queene instead of writing a paper, complete with peanut-shell caves, and what an intellectual challenge it WAS to arrange locations so that all the journeys were possible--but in these "outcomes assessment" times, I'm not sure how such a departure from standard requirements would be tolerated in a lit course!). --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 6/10/04 12:23 PM, Gia at gia_gavino@comcast.net wrote: > WOW!!! so beautiful! Both the gown and your daughter... > > I'm glad she caught 'the bug'! Sometimes it takes just doing something that > is exquisitely gorgeous. > > Happy Stitching! > Emer \ Gia >> >> She did her presentation yesterday and only got a few points deducted >> for her speaking abilities (probably too many 'ummms') -- full marks >> for the gown itself and her research and interpretation! The teacher >> liked her presentation so much, he asked to keep the hankie. :-) >> >> I posted a couple pictures here: >> >> > >> > >> >> Again, thank you so much for all your help. Hannah is now inspired >> to make a better version of the dress (no zipper, better fitted, >> etc). Yay! She's caught the bug!! :-D >> >> ~Mary >> >> >> ===== >> "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." >> ~ Jane Austen >> >> "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 16:18:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5AKI6RM012667 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AKGrNX023491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AKGich070140; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5AKGfch070006 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040610201630012002fuqae>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:16:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c44f27$dc2b7190$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040610180225.80900.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:16:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Strange. I haven't gotten them. Not even directly, yet. Maybe in a few minutes? Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... > Hey Gia > > Did my 3 e-mails I sent to you re:pics go to you directbecause only the fourth and last one bounced to me through the lists. I found it strange that they hadn't shown up yet. > > Janet > > Gia wrote: > Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your > work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some > examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm > going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually > worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. > I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details > right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. > > I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around > the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just > feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. > Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks > stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. > Happy Stitches! > Emer > > > > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. > My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children > usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). > Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a > criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who > can sew a bit better than me). > > > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't > awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up > the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these > sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands > of layers. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 17:19:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ALJ0RM013076 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:19:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALI0NX029925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALHpch018913; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta2.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALHmch018843 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta2.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALHc0W027710 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:17:39 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05005 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:17:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <1086902258.40c8cff2786e0@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:17:38 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 217.134.50.80 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's times like this when I get stuck that I'm very grateful for the wonderful resources on this list. I am making half a toile dress for a display in July (the half is so that the other half will reveal the undergarments). It is to give an indication of the shape and structure of Mary I's wedding dress when she married Philip II in 1554. The colourways are based on the eyewitness reports of the wedding, with the possible actual garments as recorded in her wardrobe accounts, so it is the classic Tudor 'French gown' as seen in her state portraits. I've never done much Tudor patterning, but I've been going fine until I hit the sleeves and neck. I want the pattern to be as accurate as possible, but don't have the time to research it properly from scratch. So I thought I'd ask Those Who Know. My questions are: 1) Is she wearing a partlet over a low-necked bodice front, or would the neckline be slightly higher? 2) Do partlets have a seam at the shoulder? 3) What does the neckline do at the back? 4) Do the turned back fur oversleeves come to a point or a curve at the bottom? Many thanks! Hilary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 17:46:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ALk7RM013152 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:46:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALjFNX002506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALjAch039390; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALj6ch039290 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.9e.cb9fd49 (15875) for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.131]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0340c8d659323; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:44:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:44:57 -0400 From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] working in the movies MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7CEF4E60.100C7C01.0221B352@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 66.108.9.225 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <> Yep....every night is opening night in the movies! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 17:53:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ALrmRM013205 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:53:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALpuNX003102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALppch044421; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ALpkch044228 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:51:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:51:41 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:51:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au><027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub><000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole><026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub><030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub><000701c44f00$26a74ff0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <033601c44f14$f7301440$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:52:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2004 21:51:41.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D5B4C00:01C44F35] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're out of ideas of what to do with it, you can still send it to me ;-P I'll find something... ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > Yeah, the density is the problem there--the thicker stuff either won't go > through it, or is so shredded that I have to tie off after 2 stitches. And > silk just cuts it! But next time I need the period equivalent of foam? > Right there, baby. > > -E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 19:46:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ANk3RM014010 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:46:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ANjONX012193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ANjKis020215; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ANiris019983 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.230.60.238.dial1.houston1.level3.net ([4.230.60.238] helo=camelot01) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BYZE3-0001nM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:44:52 -0700 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:45:00 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <007301c44ef5$1f69fbd0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRO+ynnkHKyl+wxSqiBVP186CmJBwASEL2g Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120712c4f66c7d99fd626ac057dc1ecb2e0d10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Excuse me---I normally just lurk but---My understanding of " a pair of bodies " is that it is just that--a pair sewn into one. It is your corset and bodice together. What would be two garments in one--ie: a pair. I sometimes do this with my bodices to eliminate one layer, especially for a quick change or, when I am riding a horse. I double layer and bone my bodice for support instead of wearing a corset underneath. That allows me to have just my chemise and/or partlet under my outer bodice and no corset. I now have the support of the corset without the extra layer. I could be wrong but this was my understanding of the term. Diane Well, this is not *really* my period...but I *think* it is another name for corsets in the elizabethan period. An undergarment worn over the chemise and under the gown or whatever. Someone else who actually knows this period better than I will probably give you a better answer. > Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 21:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B18BRM014503 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:08:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B17NNX017701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B179is062284; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B177is062259 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from user-33qtk15.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.208.37] helo=KALC) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYaVe-0004cN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:07:07 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:06:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could be both. From Janet Arnold's QEWU - BODIES 'A paire of bodies for a woman...Corpset, Corset' (John Minsheu, The Guide into Tongues, 1617) An inner garment for the upper part of the body, quilted and strengthened with whalebone. In the second half of the sixteenth century this term refers to both the stiffened inner garment and the upper part of a woman's gown fitted close to the body, what we would now describe as a bodice. Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Diane Maynard Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:45 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] PoB Excuse me---I normally just lurk but---My understanding of " a pair of bodies " is that it is just that--a pair sewn into one. It is your corset and bodice together. What would be two garments in one--ie: a pair. I sometimes do this with my bodices to eliminate one layer, especially for a quick change or, when I am riding a horse. I double layer and bone my bodice for support instead of wearing a corset underneath. That allows me to have just my chemise and/or partlet under my outer bodice and no corset. I now have the support of the corset without the extra layer. I could be wrong but this was my understanding of the term. Diane Well, this is not *really* my period...but I *think* it is another name for corsets in the elizabethan period. An undergarment worn over the chemise and under the gown or whatever. Someone else who actually knows this period better than I will probably give you a better answer. > Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 10 22:54:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B2swRM014901 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:54:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B2sMNX024404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B2sJis012134; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B2sHis012113 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id C74875CC2E0; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0546.floodcity.net [198.93.213.38]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8FB5CC469 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40C91E33.7E03E586@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:51:31 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PoB References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO someone said it was the corset, called a pair because the corset was actually in two parts, one for the left and one for the right, held together by lacing in back and.... Hooks? in front? I think that's right. Kitty Diane Maynard wrote: > > Excuse me---I normally just lurk but---My understanding of " a pair of > bodies " is that it is just that--a pair sewn into one. It is your corset > and bodice together. What would be two garments in one--ie: a pair. I > sometimes do this with my bodices to eliminate one layer, especially for a > quick change or, when I am riding a horse. I double layer and bone my > bodice for support instead of wearing a corset underneath. That allows me > to have just my chemise and/or partlet under my outer bodice and no corset. > I now have the support of the corset without the extra layer. I could be > wrong but this was my understanding of the term. > > Diane > > Well, this is not *really* my period...but I *think* it is another name for > corsets in the elizabethan period. An undergarment worn over the chemise > and under the gown or whatever. > > Someone else who actually knows this period better than I will probably give > you a better answer. > > > Ok so POB is Pair of Bodies but what is that? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 02:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B6eLRM030178 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B6dlNX006821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B6dcis008656; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B6dYis008591 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200406110639240160080vq7e>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:39:25 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:41:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <025e01c44e47$141a9ef0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO they did something similar to this to one of the Veronica Franco Gowns in the movie Dangerous Beauty. Very inventive. Nice spot Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of E House Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florentine Gown, solution? A while back, during one of the many discussions of "How does this bodice stay in place?" I busted out the graphics program, and zoomed in on the best resolution version of this image I could find. And I'm pretty sure I found the nice, simple solution to what's going on here. Look at the top of the gap, where you see the chemise tied. Zoom in, and you see a fuzzy little triangle, that depicts where the chemise laces go. Now, this may be hard to follow, because it's not easy for me to describe it without hand gestures, but it's really easy when you test it out: 1) The chemise has ties. These are knotted, and one of the ends is left really long. 2) That long end goes to one corner of the bodice, and passes through it somehow (see below). Then it goes across to the other corner. This describes two sides of that fuzzy triangle of lacing that you see. 3) The long end goes back up to the original knot made to close the chemise, and is knotted with the original short end. There are now two ends hanging down: the original short end, and the formerly long end which is now short as well. Notice, also, that the reddish edges of the gap in the bodice are doubled; there are two layers on each side there. This is what it looks like when I make a hidden lacing closure; I think that normally, this dress laced closed with a separate and hidden internal lacing. However, in this undress portrait, the chemise lace acts as a makeshift, to hold the bodice up and closed while still giving the air of dishabile. In other words, I don't think the dress would normally have been worn as shown; however, as shown, it does 'work' in the sense that the bodice is not being held up by sheer artistic convention, but rather by a functional, if misused, chemise lace. I've uploaded a zoomed-in (3x, with no pixel interpolation) detail of the painting, and a version tracing the line I see the chemise cord following: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure1.jpg (unedited zoom) http://www.formfunction.org/temp/florentineclosure2.jpg (tracing of the cord--the squiggles indicate the first and second knots, with the lower squiggle probably being the first knot and the upper one being the second) If anyone has a chemise that closes with ties and a bodice with internal lacing holes, try it! It really does work. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 03:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B7ARRM009211 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B7A1NX007932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B79wis021480; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B79vis021429 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004061107094901100fe81qe>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:09:49 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:11:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040610145838.4358.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I personally find it disturbing to see the failures of those who call themselves professionals and seeing what some turn out. There is a woman who I will not name who used to be attached to the acting troop I have belonged to for 10 years. There is a doublet she made for someone that she charged an OBSCENE amount of money for and honestly it had issues n top of that she had him buy more than 2 times the material needed to make the "finished" garment. The doublet is a false slash and puff brocade doublet in black and scarlet brocade and the inside isn't even lined. Consider this doublet was for fair/stage combat, to me this is inexcusable. I watched this same person turn out costume after costume with the same kind of material overbuying (and she kept all leftovers) all of them are ill fitting, blow seams regularly, or otherwise have problems. and she had to have been charging over $20/hour for work. I can't even remember how many of them have come to me to have things redone and she won't give any sort of quality guarantee. I wont even go into her inability to make deadlines. *sigh* I'll admit I remember that an make sure I do the opposite. The best thing that has happened is that myself and 2 others have taken enough commissions that she disappeared because she couldn't compete in quality or costs. Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Janet Renzetti Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:59 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services HEy Gia You hit it exactly. I have seen some people strut around so proud of their stuff, but I look at it wonder where it came from. If they are novice at the sewing and these ar ethe outfits they are putting out, then CONGRATS to them because it is a lot of work. IF they paid someone to do it, then it wouldbe ncie to go over their stuff and point out where they need to have to changed for future garments. My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. I know this wandered a little from the topic (I just got up), but the detail required, which was the topic, varies with he garment as you and I know and gives the flexibility that we can workwith. Also research sure helps. Janet Gia wrote: Janet, LOL! You are *so* right. My guy friend brought over the 'elizabethan costume' that some one else made for him and it was *so* painful to see. Ohmigosh! *SUCH* a horrible fit, wrong fabric and obviously worn out. *shudder*. Apparently it was the only 'good' costume he had...poor guy! When I am finished making him his bartered elizabethan shirt, cote and upperstocks he will *know* why I was so demanding. Yet, when I sew the simple t-tunics, I only need to take the required measurements, maybe one fitting (just to make sure the sleeves are the right length, maybe) and then out the door with it. I can usually make those in a day or two, depending on the 'details' requested. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Gia > > I completely agree with that for a properly fitted outfit. An outfit that doesn't matter so much you have flexibility with. An ELizabethan does not. If it doesn't fit right then it is a disaster. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 04:05:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B85GRM009725 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B84bNX010801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B84Wis042301; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B84Uis042257 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004061108042201100fft3fe>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:04:22 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wool (washing) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:06:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO have you tried backing the seam area with a strip of cotton and sandwiching the 2 layers of wool? That at least would give you something more solid to stitch through. I do this when my serger is refusing to serge light weight gauze to give it more to grab on to. Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) If you're out of ideas of what to do with it, you can still send it to me ;-P I'll find something... ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > Yeah, the density is the problem there--the thicker stuff either won't go > through it, or is so shredded that I have to tie off after 2 stitches. And > silk just cuts it! But next time I need the period equivalent of foam? > Right there, baby. > > -E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 05:00:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B90kRM010093 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B90CNX013130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B909is062676; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B900is062440 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.140]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i5B8x3Lj029240 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:59:47 +1000 Message-ID: <01d301c44f92$7103a3e0$8c90d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1086795933.40c7309d24022@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Subject: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:51:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Davidson" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset > I'd be interested in trying the rolled fabric way of stiffening for the fathingale, because it's > Not Fun wrestling with yards of damp willow for the hoops. But it's been an interesting > process of discovery with it, and had radically changed my ideas on its purpose and > construction. > Well I know Drea Aleed's site has something about a rope or cord stiffened farthingale and I'm pretty sure it's got documentation to back it up (http://costume.dm.net/ in case you aren't familiar with it or haven't bookmarked it) I expect you could use rags or fabric scraps as a substitute for rope. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 05:49:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5B9ndRM010276 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B9ljNX015983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B9lbis079798; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5B9lYis079774 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HZ500DMB1V8X3@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:47:35 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <40C97FB7.6070305@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF0E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> <027f01c44a4f$9bf0d520$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000201c44c1e$c18ba1e0$1291d6cb@ewalpole> <026f01c44e48$84a5b280$0400a8c0@compaqub> <030001c44ef7$e8df6660$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000701c44f00$26a74ff0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <033601c44f14$f7301440$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It sounds like it would make excelent -matress pads or ironing board pads... but i also think it might make great pins...there was an old articule in threads(am leaving for a 7:30am flight or i might try to find it) about felling wool and then using the result to make art pins--think site tokens if you are in the sca? When i get home, i will try to find the article (next week). Also, I am sure that I could also find some use for it, if you want to send it out.... :) Jordana Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > If you're out of ideas of what to do with it, you can still send it to me > ;-P I'll find something... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E House" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool (washing) > > > >>Yeah, the density is the problem there--the thicker stuff either won't go >>through it, or is so shredded that I have to tie off after 2 stitches. And >>silk just cuts it! But next time I need the period equivalent of foam? >>Right there, baby. >> >>-E >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 06:56:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BAu7RM010475 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:56:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BAtQNX018340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BAtMis004647; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BAtJis004594 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC98BF4B8 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:55:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40C98F92.6060404@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:55:14 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robe a la Francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It finally looks like it is going to be a nice dress :-) Hopefully I wont get major problems anymore. Just two weeks to go to finish this dress and make a costume for my husband. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html The only thing I probably have to do is break some of the reads on the right side of my back. Somehow I can't have boning over my lower back where my hip starts on that side. I get pain and after a few ours my leg wil feel numb. Hopefully it wil help if I break the reads where the tabs begin. If it doesn't help I have to take them out completely :-( Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 12:12:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BGCcRM012487 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGBNNX011309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGBDis073360; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AHUwch017536 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610173053.55680.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:30:53 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002301c44f03$b64c0cb0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-99907334-1086888653=:54557" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:11:10 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --0-99907334-1086888653=:54557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gia wrote: Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. Happy Stitches! Emer > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --0-99907334-1086888653=:54557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --0-99907334-1086888653=:54557-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 12:14:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BGELRM012511 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:14:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGCMNX011377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGCLis074270; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5AHVkch018163 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040610173139.79046.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:31:39 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing and fittings... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002301c44f03$b64c0cb0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1963422151-1086888699=:75702" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:11:10 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --0-1963422151-1086888699=:75702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gia wrote: Hi Janet! Do you have pictures that can be sent? I'd love to see your work. I am going to make one good Tudor for myself and I'd like to see some examples of folks who've already done some. Maybe even some advice as I'm going along. It's not my period, but I have a farthingale (is one usually worn with Tudor) and I have to up-size my PoB pattern to make a new one. I've already got the materials, but want to make sure I've got the details right and to avoid as many Oops as I can. I really like to make the T tunics for tourney wear or even to wear around the apartment. They are the absolute best for just throwing on when I just feel like lounging and it's still presentable enough to go grocery shopping. Maybe it takes a little longer when I do that, because of curious folks stopping me to ask questions, but I love it. Happy Stitches! Emer > > My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). > > When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --0-1963422151-1086888699=:75702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --0-1963422151-1086888699=:75702-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 12:33:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BGXURM012635 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:33:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGWmNX013544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGWhis089240; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGWeis089201 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BGWWaf029335 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:32:32 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26706 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:32:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) Message-ID: <1086971552.40c9dea08c093@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:32:32 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 217.134.31.139 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. I know about the corded ones from QEWU, where kersey is cited in the wardrobe records as the filling for the hoops. I want the stiffness but flexibility for this project, so committed myself to using willow (grrr....). This farthingale is in beautiful shot yellow and red silk, as near as I could get to 'changeable Spanish tawny', tawny being described as orange with much yellow in it. Has anyone on the list tried a corded 'gale? PS - Elizabeth, I'm a Rowanite in English exile - how is sunny Polit these days?! Had some memorable events there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 13:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BHlMRM013622 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BHjPNX021358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BHjOis044963; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BHgkis042923 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E8A4264A for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40C9EEF7.3090403@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:42:15 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] London: A city in time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone else seen this program? It's been playing on US cable on the Travel Channel. I caught it last night and found it interesting. They recreate a lot of medieval and renaissance scenes with costumed extras and computer generated effects. It's playing several more times this week. http://travel.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=105993&gid=0&channel=TRV Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 13:51:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BHpkRM013639 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BHglNX021058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BHgVis042805; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BHgQis042733 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA12151 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:42:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1086971552.40c9dea08c093@webmail.soton.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ot: help to set no mail option X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The last time my mail service was changed on my pc, some of my saved messages dealing with setting no mail,etc. for my various listserves were lost. Would some kind soul send me directions to set h-costume to no mail while I'm on vacation? Many thanks!! Cindy Abel brujne@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 14:08:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BI8CRM013760 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:08:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BI6wNX023809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BI6pis060661; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5BI6lis060563 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:06:41 EDT Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <01d301c44f92$7103a3e0$8c90d6cb@ewalpole> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this is SOOOO not period, but a quick way to make a farthingale hoope is steel binding. A friend of mine made his wife one that way, and so I had one done for me. He works in a warehouse and so the pallets are wrapped sometimes in 1" wide binding. The great thing is tha I can drive while wearing it because it is posable. One day I might do a proper one and get full research going for it, but it is a make do thing and since I don't wear it that often, too hard to chase kids, when I don't have a servant, I only wear it for special occasions. Janet Elizabeth Walpole wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Davidson" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset > I'd be interested in trying the rolled fabric way of stiffening for the fathingale, because it's > Not Fun wrestling with yards of damp willow for the hoops. But it's been an interesting > process of discovery with it, and had radically changed my ideas on its purpose and > construction. > Well I know Drea Aleed's site has something about a rope or cord stiffened farthingale and I'm pretty sure it's got documentation to back it up (http://costume.dm.net/ in case you aren't familiar with it or haven't bookmarked it) I expect you could use rags or fabric scraps as a substitute for rope. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. 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Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 14:11:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BIB3RM013779 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BIA4NX024056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BI9wis062866; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BI9sit062785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BIEoHN017648 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:53 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040611110529.07dce988@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:09:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: [h-cost] London: A city in time In-Reply-To: <40C9EEF7.3090403@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Television? What's that? We haven't watched TV for years ... lot's of garb movies on DVD ... Most recently 'First Knight' ... *BAD* garb! My Lord Husband liked the jousting, though ... Katie At 12:42 PM 6/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone else seen this program? It's been playing on US cable on the >Travel Channel. I caught it last night and found it interesting. They >recreate a lot of medieval and renaissance scenes with costumed extras and >computer generated effects. >It's playing several more times this week. >http://travel.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=105993&gid=0&channel=TRV _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 14:14:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BIE8RM013796 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BICJNX024265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BICHis064445; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5BIAIis063050 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040611181011.74632.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:10:11 EDT Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO People get to know what works and what doesn't and who they need to talk to. Word of mouth is more powerful than anything else. The people that go to you because of her stuff would turn around and tell others to do the same. FOr me it feels all the more that I don't want to raisemy fees because of people like that that have hurt the customes enough. Janet Molly Boone wrote: I personally find it disturbing to see the failures of those who call themselves professionals and seeing what some turn out. There is a woman who I will not name who used to be attached to the acting troop I have belonged to for 10 years. There is a doublet she made for someone that she charged an OBSCENE amount of money for and honestly it had issues n top of that she had him buy more than 2 times the material needed to make the "finished" garment. The doublet is a false slash and puff brocade doublet in black and scarlet brocade and the inside isn't even lined. Consider this doublet was for fair/stage combat, to me this is inexcusable. I watched this same person turn out costume after costume with the same kind of material overbuying (and she kept all leftovers) all of them are ill fitting, blow seams regularly, or otherwise have problems. and she had to have been charging over $20/hour for work. I can't even remember how many of them have come to me to have things redone and she won't give any sort of quality guarantee. I wont even go into her inability to make deadlines. *sigh* I'll admit I remember that an make sure I do the opposite. The best thing that has happened is that myself and 2 others have taken enough commissions that she disappeared because she couldn't compete in quality or costs. Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Janet Renzetti Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:59 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services HEy Gia You hit it exactly. I have seen some people strut around so proud of their stuff, but I look at it wonder where it came from. If they are novice at the sewing and these ar ethe outfits they are putting out, then CONGRATS to them because it is a lot of work. IF they paid someone to do it, then it wouldbe ncie to go over their stuff and point out where they need to have to changed for future garments. My dresses usually either Tudor or 12th century and well fitting to me. My children have well fit dublets to go in when I go Tudor. My children usually match my clothes (keeping with period--matching material and style). Because we are walking advertisements int he SCA, we get compliments and a criticisms (criticisms are helpful by those who ave done more research who can sew a bit better than me). When we go 12th or I sew 12th for others, it fits enough that it isn't awkward, but loose and a bt drapy (T-tunics and long dresses with lacing up the back). THe waist is held by a belt anyways. I like wearing these sreses because they are so comfortable and you don't need to wear housands of layers. I know this wandered a little from the topic (I just got up), but the detail required, which was the topic, varies with he garment as you and I know and gives the flexibility that we can workwith. Also research sure helps. Janet Gia wrote: Janet, LOL! You are *so* right. My guy friend brought over the 'elizabethan costume' that some one else made for him and it was *so* painful to see. Ohmigosh! *SUCH* a horrible fit, wrong fabric and obviously worn out. *shudder*. Apparently it was the only 'good' costume he had...poor guy! When I am finished making him his bartered elizabethan shirt, cote and upperstocks he will *know* why I was so demanding. Yet, when I sew the simple t-tunics, I only need to take the required measurements, maybe one fitting (just to make sure the sleeves are the right length, maybe) and then out the door with it. I can usually make those in a day or two, depending on the 'details' requested. Happy stitching! Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for charging for services > Gia > > I completely agree with that for a properly fitted outfit. An outfit that doesn't matter so much you have flexibility with. An ELizabethan does not. If it doesn't fit right then it is a disaster. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! 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Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 14:25:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BIPxRM013845 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BIPINX025346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:25:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BIPFis073574; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5BIPDis073524 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 10950 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 18:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 18:25:28 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1191.24.4.69.40.1086978309.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <40C9EEF7.3090403@reddawn.net> References: <40C9EEF7.3090403@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] London: A city in time From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone else seen this program? It's been playing on US cable on the > Travel Channel. I caught it last night and found it interesting. They > recreate a lot of medieval and renaissance scenes with costumed extras > and computer generated effects. > > It's playing several more times this week. > > http://travel.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=105993&gid=0&channel=TRV > Dawn, Thanks for sharing. It sounds really interesting and on the website you gave, you can have them give you a reminder that it is on. That's pretty cool! Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 14:32:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BIWCRM013859 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BIVQNX025908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BIVOis077871; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5BIVJis077808 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12164 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 18:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 18:31:38 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1219.24.4.69.40.1086978679.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <1086902258.40c8cff2786e0@webmail.soton.ac.uk> References: <1086902258.40c8cff2786e0@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am making half a toile dress for a display in July (the half is so that > the other half will > reveal the undergarments). It is to give an indication of the shape and > structure of Mary I's > wedding dress when she married Philip II in 1554. The colourways are > based on the > eyewitness reports of the wedding, with the possible actual garments as > recorded in her > wardrobe accounts, so it is the classic Tudor 'French gown' as seen in her > state portraits. > I've never done much Tudor patterning, but I've been going fine until I > hit the sleeves and > neck. I want the pattern to be as accurate as possible, but don't have the > time to research > it properly from scratch. So I thought I'd ask Those Who Know. > > My questions are: > 1) Is she wearing a partlet over a low-necked bodice front, or would the > neckline be > slightly higher? > 2) Do partlets have a seam at the shoulder? > 3) What does the neckline do at the back? > 4) Do the turned back fur oversleeves come to a point or a curve at the > bottom? Hilary, I made a Tudor gown many years ago and as I did my research, I realized that the fabric at the shoulders was extremely narrow. It seemed like the sleeves would never stay up with them that way. So what I did was make the back high and in a V shape so that the shaping would help the sleeves stay on the shoulder. It worked marvelously! And I didn't take the idea straight out of my head, I got the idea from a drawing that Holbein did of a Tudor lady where you could see the front and back. http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg Check out the back between the headdress and you will see what I mean. This type of back closure kept the sleeves up and very comfortable. As to your other questions, I am not sure but I bet someone else will have an idea.... Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 15:50:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BJowRM014390 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:50:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJoJNX003142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJo4is033419; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:50:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJk8is030189 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-50-106.jps.net ([209.165.50.106]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYryZ-0000br-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:46:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3173.198.93.212.4.1086694041.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> References: <200406061800.i56I0rks085975@net.indra.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040607155923.021db1a0@pop.radiks.net> <3173.198.93.212.4.1086694041.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:52:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kids and TV (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 7:27 AM -0400 6/8/04, wrote: >the thing that has most impressed me with my >distaste for TV especially in young kids is the sight of a child sitting >in front of the TV with eyes glued to the set for 3-4 hours on end, unable >to tear their eyes away when spoken to and actually unhearing when spoken >to. the mindless looks on their faces is scary. Kitty OTOH, I'm exactly like that when I'm reading a book... just ask my mother. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 15:51:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BJp0RM014393 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:51:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJmDNX002888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJl8is031023; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJk6is030169 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-50-106.jps.net ([209.165.50.106]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BYryX-0000br-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:46:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:40:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 2:06 PM -0400 6/11/04, Janet Renzetti wrote: >I know this is SOOOO not period, but a quick way to make a >farthingale hoope is steel binding. A friend of mine made his wife >one that way, and so I had one done for me. He works in a warehouse >and so the pallets are wrapped sometimes in 1" wide binding. The >great thing is tha I can drive while wearing it because it is >posable. One day I might do a proper one and get full research >going for it, but it is a make do thing and since I don't wear it >that often, too hard to chase kids, when I don't have a servant, I >only wear it for special occasions. That's what mine uses -- in my case, 1-inch steel strapping I picked up for free at a lumber yard. It works splendidly and is nice and flexible -- I can walk through a room of folding chairs without knocking any of them over :) Only a few disadvantages -- (1) it does tend to wear through any fabric casing you put it in eventually, (2) you have to remove it to wash the farthingale, and (3) it's kind of on the heavy side compared to some other things I've seen used. But my metal hoops are now on their second cloth farthingale and still going strong after almost ten years. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 15:53:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BJrPRM014407 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJqnNX003496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJqmis035660; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BJn6is032543 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from DDG5WT11 ([68.18.60.34]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040611194901.FNBX12800.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DDG5WT11> for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <008301c44fed$237944d0$6101a8c0@DDG5WT11> From: "Wendi Harper-Bartell" To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:48:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i5BJrPRM014407 Status: RO Hello, I have been lurking for a while, but I wanted to come out of the shadows to ask a question. Does anyone have any information/gudiance on making Victorian shoes including supplies, patterns, etc. I know that Amazon Dry Goods has a shoe catalog but I haven't ordered it yet, does anyone know if they carry the pieces/parts necessary to make your own shoes or do they just offer pre-made shoes? Thank you, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 16:22:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BKMPRM014521 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKK4NX006723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKJwis054936; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:19:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKJsis054774 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88317BF997 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40CA13E2.4090803@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:19:46 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) References: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tomorrow I am going to try out my fhirst corded petticoat. I used hemp rope for the stiffening. It isn't very stif like the metal hoops so it doesn't stand out as a nice cone. And it is heaveyer than my springsteel petticoat. But it is probably better when you have to move in small rooms. Greetings, Deredere Chris Laning wrote: > At 2:06 PM -0400 6/11/04, Janet Renzetti wrote: > >> I know this is SOOOO not period, but a quick way to make a >> farthingale hoope is steel binding. A friend of mine made his wife >> one that way, and so I had one done for me. He works in a warehouse >> and so the pallets are wrapped sometimes in 1" wide binding. The >> great thing is tha I can drive while wearing it because it is >> posable. One day I might do a proper one and get full research going >> for it, but it is a make do thing and since I don't wear it that >> often, too hard to chase kids, when I don't have a servant, I only >> wear it for special occasions. > > > That's what mine uses -- in my case, 1-inch steel strapping I picked > up for free at a lumber yard. It works splendidly and is nice and > flexible -- I can walk through a room of folding chairs without > knocking any of them over :) > > Only a few disadvantages -- (1) it does tend to wear through any > fabric casing you put it in eventually, (2) you have to remove it to > wash the farthingale, and (3) it's kind of on the heavy side compared > to some other things I've seen used. But my metal hoops are now on > their second cloth farthingale and still going strong after almost ten > years. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 16:24:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BKOYRM014528 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKMfNX007068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKMeis056828; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKLWis056095 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.35.202]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 5141413 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:08:49 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c44ff1$adbe9ec0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <008301c44fed$237944d0$6101a8c0@DDG5WT11> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They sell shoes, not stuff to make your own. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wendi Harper-Bartell Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:49 PM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies Hello, I have been lurking for a while, but I wanted to come out of the shadows to ask a question. Does anyone have any information/gudiance on making Victorian shoes including supplies, patterns, etc. I know that Amazon Dry Goods has a shoe catalog but I haven't ordered it yet, does anyone know if they carry the pieces/parts necessary to make your own shoes or do they just offer pre-made shoes? Thank you, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 16:38:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BKc2RM014587 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKaBNX008605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BKa7is066399; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5BKa3is066227 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Olzm/YJKGfYEN+fZ6UpEpt4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JXVDR7YA; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:34:47 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:29:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] London: A city in time Message-ID: <20040611.133431.1472.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-15,18-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw the last hour of it. 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Does anyone have any information/gudiance on making >Victorian shoes including supplies, patterns, etc. I'd cosy up to a real shoe repair person/shop and find out what I could that way. 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Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ot: help to set no mail option Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c45008$f84be3a0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume FYI it is also at the bottom of every post!> Sg :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 19:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BNBoRM015393 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:11:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BN9wNX023042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BN9vis065554; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BN90is065051 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kat@grendal.rain.com) Received: from KATHOUSE (ip124.131.du.eli.iinet.com [67.136.131.124]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692B86B0F4 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:08:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! Message-ID: <40C9D91A.17367.9C3A0C9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1086902258.40c8cff2786e0@webmail.soton.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My questions are: > 1) Is she wearing a partlet over a low-necked bodice front, or would > the neckline be slightly higher? It is a partlet over a regular square neck gown. 2) Do partlets have a seam at the > shoulder? Yes. It makes the collar easier to fit. 3) What does the neckline do at the back? It's in a V shape. But the deepest part of the V is still above the level of the lower curve of the armscye (so that it is still covered by the back of the partlet.) 4) Do the turned > back fur oversleeves come to a point or a curve at the bottom? The edges should meet so that they form a curve, not a point. While you can document all of this using portraits and sketches from this time (and descriptions from wardrobes and the like), Jean Hunnisett's book "Costumes for Stage and Screen" (the one that starts with the 16th C) actually is the best patterning I've seen or worked with for that period of dress. It has diagrams for the sleeves, the gown and the partlet. I take it you have the article on Mary Tudor's clothes from the Costume Journal. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 19:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BNaBRM015455 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:36:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BNYINX025977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BNYFis079303; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BNYAis079200 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.7e.509f1b57 (14374) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:34:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.509f1b57.2dfb9b6b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:34:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10581 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To this subject: A lady I know from our local SCA group has a leather shop that has been in the family for several generations. Among other things this store supplies the local shoemakers with leather soles, etc. The other day when I needed some suede and other leather I was there and saw that she still has supplies from Victorian times that just have not sold, like shoe buttons. She was bagging them up and selling them cheap. At least cheap for buttons. I cannot remember how much, I just thought it was extremely reasonable for a couple of dozen per bag. If anyone is interested in this I will forward her email privately. Please get in touch with me. Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 20:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C04LRM015527 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:04:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C03eNX000602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C03ais095954; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C03Zis095937 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-121.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.121]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5C03RqH010730 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:03:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040611170459.02262af0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:05:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies In-Reply-To: <7e.509f1b57.2dfb9b6b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >To this subject: A lady I know from our local SCA group has a leather shop >that has been in the family for several generations. Among other things this >store supplies the local shoemakers with leather soles, etc. >The other day when I needed some suede and other leather I was there and saw >that she still has supplies from Victorian times that just have not sold, like >shoe buttons. She was bagging them up and selling them cheap. At least >cheap for buttons. I cannot remember how much, I just thought it was >extremely >reasonable for a couple of dozen per bag. >If anyone is interested in this I will forward her email privately. Please >get in touch with me. Yes I am interested. What else did she want to get rid of? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 20:10:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C0A8RM015536 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C09bNX001537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C09ais099289; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C09Yis099252 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 509D75CC30E; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0164.floodcity.net [198.93.211.164]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CD35CC54A for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CA4910.46F1D456@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:06:40 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) References: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO is the farthingale a corset or a skirt? I'm SO not up on the older periods. what era is it? thanks, kitty Janet Renzetti wrote: > > I know this is SOOOO not period, but a quick way to make a farthingale hoope is steel binding. A friend of mine made his wife one that way, and so I had one done for me. He works in a warehouse and so the pallets are wrapped sometimes in 1" wide binding. The great thing is tha I can drive while wearing it because it is posable. One day I might do a proper one and get full research going for it, but it is a make do thing and since I don't wear it that often, too hard to chase kids, when I don't have a servant, I only wear it for special occasions. > > Janet > > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hilary Davidson" > To: ; ; > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:45 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset > > > I'd be interested in trying the rolled fabric way of stiffening for the > fathingale, because it's > > Not Fun wrestling with yards of damp willow for the hoops. But it's been > an interesting > > process of discovery with it, and had radically changed my ideas on its > purpose and > > construction. > > > > Well I know Drea Aleed's site has something about a rope or cord stiffened > farthingale and I'm pretty sure it's got documentation to back it up > (http://costume.dm.net/ in case you aren't familiar with it or haven't > bookmarked it) I expect you could use rags or fabric scraps as a substitute > for rope. > Elizabeth > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole > Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia > ewalpole@austar.net.au > > People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun > is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if > there is light from within. > Elizabeth Kubler-Ross > > The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added > to the ages of other women. > Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 20:20:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C0KpRM015572 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0K2NX003229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0K1is005215; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:20:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0Jwis005152 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-121.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.121]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5C0JrnJ003288 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:19:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040611170459.02262af0@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20040611170459.02262af0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:18:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies In-Reply-To: <7e.509f1b57.2dfb9b6b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >To this subject: A lady I know from our local SCA group has a leather shop >that has been in the family for several generations. Among other things this >store supplies the local shoemakers with leather soles, etc. >The other day when I needed some suede and other leather I was there and saw >that she still has supplies from Victorian times that just have not sold, like >shoe buttons. She was bagging them up and selling them cheap. At least >cheap for buttons. I cannot remember how much, I just thought it was >extremely >reasonable for a couple of dozen per bag. >If anyone is interested in this I will forward her email privately. Please >get in touch with me. Yes I am interested. What else did she want to get rid of? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 20:22:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C0MlRM015577 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:22:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0LqNX003559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:21:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0Lqis006247; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:21:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0KFis005326 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040612002009012002h5tje>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:20:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c45013$070cb310$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406061800.i56I0rks085975@net.indra.com><6.0.1.1.2.20040607155923.021db1a0@pop.radiks.net><3173.198.93.212.4.1086694041.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kids and TV (OT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:20:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bingo! That's my problem with reading, too! Once I've gotten into a book, I can be lost in the story and not be coherent for a bit, when interrupted. Takes a little time to readjust to now, when I've be 'gone'. So, if I need to get things done, I know I cannot start reading anything. If you've seen Yenta (gee- I think that's the right title - it's been so long ago!) the movie about the jewish girl (Barbara Striesand who diguises her self as a boy to go some sort of school) who routinely burned meals because she got caught up in her reading. You'll have a somewhat good picture of me with a book. Emer \ Gia > > OTOH, I'm exactly like that when I'm reading a book... just ask my mother. > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 20:33:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C0XXRM015603 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:33:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0WgNX005688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0Weis012640; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C0Wbis012618 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id ED4C85CC066; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0164.floodcity.net [198.93.211.164]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44E05CC30E for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CA4E44.DBC91DC5@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:28:52 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kids and TV (OT) References: <200406061800.i56I0rks085975@net.indra.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040607155923.021db1a0@pop.radiks.net> <3173.198.93.212.4.1086694041.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, mea culpa, however, I've never read a book with my mouth hanging open. and I CAN hear, it just takes a while to work it's way into the 18th century and drag me back forward in time. LOL Kitty Chris Laning wrote: > > At 7:27 AM -0400 6/8/04, wrote: > >the thing that has most impressed me with my > >distaste for TV especially in young kids is the sight of a child sitting > >in front of the TV with eyes glued to the set for 3-4 hours on end, unable > >to tear their eyes away when spoken to and actually unhearing when spoken > >to. the mindless looks on their faces is scary. Kitty > > OTOH, I'm exactly like that when I'm reading a book... just ask my mother. > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 21:16:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C1G8RM015782 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:16:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1FPNX010251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1FLis033493; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay99-f51.bay99.hotmail.com [65.54.175.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1FHis033412 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:13:19 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.229 by by99fd.bay99.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:13:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:13:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2004 01:13:19.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[72C6A7D0:01C4501A] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I highly recommended Costume Connections pater 1603W Early Tudor Women http://www.patternsoftime.com/patterns/Costume_Conn/COS1603W.gif it is $13.00 at http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat45.html it is an easy pattern and adapt well to other patterns. I have used the sleeve from Mantu Makers pattern as well as Simplicity and McCalls patterns. Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 21:27:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C1R8RM015836 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1QXNX010806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:26:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1QWis038130; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1QVis038087 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:26:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1cd.23391699 (14374) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <1cd.23391699.2dfbb5bf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:26:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10581 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you everyone who wrote to me personally. I will see Linda at an event tomorrow and will ask her for her contact info for the business. I will email everyone privately tomorrow night or Sunday. Thanks Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 21:49:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C1nBRM015967 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:49:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1mZNX012092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1mXis047330; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn2.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C1mVis047303 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 4B38712D6A; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:48:23 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [206.45.177.188] by mprdmailfe4.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:48:23 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 140fb8eb4ef441675e17ce6577668fc4 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040612014823.4B38712D6A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:48:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] charging for work X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Something I find works when doing custom work is asking the customer how much they were wanting to spend. This way I can figure out if they want serious historical garb or a fun costume, what quality of materials and how much detail work they are interested in. Or if I'll flat out refuse because they don't think my time is worth anything. I also tend to charge on a sliding scale. Really nice people with no money who want really exciting work done will pay a lot less than some rich priss who wants some cliche princess dress. Bartering is also great. I got someone to clean my basement for camping garb and a monster costume. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 11 22:55:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C2tBRM016373 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C2pHNX015461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C2pAis073677; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C2p8it073646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-249.sonic.net [209.148.112.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5C2p4DD006667 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:51:05 -0700 Message-ID: <40CA70B7.50602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:55:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mystery French needlework tool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Arrache piec a dents Possibly used for unraveling the edges of fabric to create fringe. Does anyone know (a) what this is/is used for and (b) what it is called in English? Thanks for any info, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 00:29:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C4T8RM017927 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:29:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4RGNX021092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4RCis013487; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4RAis013459 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.101]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040612042655.WPLC3387.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:26:55 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c45035$8169cd60$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> <40CA4910.46F1D456@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:26:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty Felton" > is the farthingale a corset or a skirt? I'm SO not up on the older > periods. what era is it? thanks, kitty > Hi Kitty, a farthingale is the Tudor/Elizabethan version of a hoopskirt petticoat. Instead of a bell shape it is cone shaped. http://costume.dm.net/farthingale/history.html Later Elizabethan gowns had what was called a wheel farthingale that looks like this: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/wheel_farthingale.htm Sheridan =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 00:53:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C4r2RM018068 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:53:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4owNX022116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4otis022575; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4oris022556 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 146265CC059; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0312.floodcity.net [198.93.212.58]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60495CC01F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CA8B05.2165C93E@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:48:05 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) References: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> <40CA4910.46F1D456@floodcity.net> <004f01c45035$8169cd60$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, no that wouldn't work for me. to much hip I think my hip area would be better incorperated into something which imitates my figure, hoops or bustles, or both. LOL Kitty Shane & Sheridan wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty Felton" > > > is the farthingale a corset or a skirt? I'm SO not up on the older > > periods. what era is it? thanks, kitty > > > > Hi Kitty, > > a farthingale is the Tudor/Elizabethan version of a hoopskirt petticoat. > Instead of a bell shape it is cone shaped. > > http://costume.dm.net/farthingale/history.html > > Later Elizabethan gowns had what was called a wheel farthingale that looks > like this: > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/wheel_farthingale.htm > > Sheridan > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 00:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5C4vnRM018088 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:57:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4u3NX022333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4u2is024388; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5C4u1is024380 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 2E4E95CC312; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0312.floodcity.net [198.93.212.58]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04E65CC01F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CA8C25.220660F2@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:52:53 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) References: <20040611180641.23418.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> <40CA4910.46F1D456@floodcity.net> <004f01c45035$8169cd60$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Although, I'll have to admit, I would never need a bum roll. teehee nah, I think I am more suited to the victorian era. I have an soft spot for pioneers and Miss Kitty and Marshall Dillon. LOL after all, how could I abandon my Name sake (sort of) yours in dress, Kitty Shane & Sheridan wrote: > > Hi Kitty, > > a farthingale is the Tudor/Elizabethan version of a hoopskirt petticoat. > Instead of a bell shape it is cone shaped. > > http://costume.dm.net/farthingale/history.html > > Later Elizabethan gowns had what was called a wheel farthingale that looks > like this: > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/wheel_farthingale.htm > > Sheridan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 07:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CBYdRM021764 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CBWvNX009956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CBWiis069854; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CBWhis069824 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 05:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C475615F90 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:44:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040611170459.02262af0@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRQExRlJeLcnXZWR4a3rqpycybyGwAX4W4w Message-Id: <20040612113243.C475615F90@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would also be interested. Thank you. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies >To this subject: A lady I know from our local SCA group has a leather shop >that has been in the family for several generations. Among other things this >store supplies the local shoemakers with leather soles, etc. >The other day when I needed some suede and other leather I was there and saw >that she still has supplies from Victorian times that just have not sold, like >shoe buttons. She was bagging them up and selling them cheap. At least >cheap for buttons. I cannot remember how much, I just thought it was >extremely >reasonable for a couple of dozen per bag. >If anyone is interested in this I will forward her email privately. Please >get in touch with me. Yes I am interested. What else did she want to get rid of? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 10:01:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CE1dRM023531 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:01:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CDxINX016085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CDxFis023991; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5CDxDis023925 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040612135908.22515.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:59:08 EDT Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:59:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for work To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20040612014823.4B38712D6A@mprdmxin.myway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My customers are usually SCA so I know what they are looking for and most of the people I know, so I generally know what I need to offer them and what to take. I always watch the discount bins and have a good store that sells material cheap. I recommend it, give them the option to give me the material, or trust me to get something and then give them a copy of the receipt at the end. I also give thema log sheet f my hours with the rate of pay and a total along with an invoice. The customer says it is all not needed, bt I'd rather have it out since the work is time and I would appreciate that attention if y position was in the reverse. Also, the price of material and how much was spent I would like to know so that I knew I wasn't being taken. I like honesty. Janet Wendy wrote: Something I find works when doing custom work is asking the customer how much they were wanting to spend. This way I can figure out if they want serious historical garb or a fun costume, what quality of materials and how much detail work they are interested in. Or if I'll flat out refuse because they don't think my time is worth anything. I also tend to charge on a sliding scale. Really nice people with no money who want really exciting work done will pay a lot less than some rich priss who wants some cliche princess dress. Bartering is also great. I got someone to clean my basement for camping garb and a monster costume. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 12:30:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CGUwRM015481 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:30:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CGSeNX024882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CGSUis086475; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CGSSis086419 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004061216282301500fg6lqe>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:28:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c4509a$48757760$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040612135908.22515.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for work Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:28:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Janet! I whole heartedly agree. The last time I didn't do this, it was for a banner that my "life" kept me from working on. Since I didn't keep a log, when the SCA customer wanted to know what I'd been doing (despite my frequent emailed updates) on the banner. It got to the point where the SCA customer demanded that I either reimburse him for the $100 he gave me for the materials or to complete the banner and give to him by XX date. Poor customer... I was forced to give it back unfinished. I'd done massive amounts of work on it, for which I will never see a penny. Buying the fabric, drafting the patterns, putting together the background of the banner, prepping it for applicaeing of the main charges. But I didn't keep a log. Stupid mistake. But it's my own fault. At the time I was commissioned, I began suffering massively from CTS and not able to sew *anything* (not even my beloved neeldepointing) . The poor customer had been waiting for about a year for the banner, and unfortunately every time I had said it would be done, a massive attack of life happened. This is a *very* rare for me to not have something done by a date I had promised, but it didn't make it any easier for the poor customer or me. But I did the best I could given my circumstances. Don't think the customer will ever forgive me. Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Renzetti" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] charging for work > My customers are usually SCA so I know what they are looking for and most of the people I know, so I generally know what I need to offer them and what to take. I always watch the discount bins and have a good store that sells material cheap. I recommend it, give them the option to give me the material, or trust me to get something and then give them a copy of the receipt at the end. I also give thema log sheet f my hours with the rate of pay and a total along with an invoice. The customer says it is all not needed, bt I'd rather have it out since the work is time and I would appreciate that attention if y position was in the reverse. Also, the price of material and how much was spent I would like to know so that I knew I wasn't being taken. I like honesty. > > Janet > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 15:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CJfJRM016504 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJacNX006873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJaPis079551; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJaMis079514 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJaDaF010540 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:36:13 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18283 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:36:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! Message-ID: <1087068973.40cb5b2d41385@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:36:13 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 217.134.52.44 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks all for your very helpful comments. I do have the articles on Mary's wardrobe from Costume, which have been helpful in their own way. Regarding Hunnisett, she was the first place I tried to look, but I don't have my own copy here, and my art/textiles/fashion focussed college DOESN"T HAVE any of her books! I was shocked - I sort of thought they were compulsory :) I wrote to the library immediately *suggesting* that they might want to look into buying them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 15:49:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CJnVRM016546 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:49:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJmuNX007727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJmsis084770; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta2.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJmpis084741 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta2.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CJmi0W007023 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:48:44 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18732 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:48:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies Message-ID: <1087069724.40cb5e1c94bd9@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:48:44 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 217.134.52.44 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Wendy, Can I be honest here and say, IMHO, it's not worth your while trying to make Victorian shoes unless you want to be really serious about it. You'll save time, money, effort, frustration and flesh wounds if you find a good shoemaker and commission a pair. Shoemaking from the nineteenth century is specialised and difficult, and to get a finish anywhere near period examples takes a long time to learn. I was an apprentice couture shoemaker for three years, and would still think hard about doing it myself. Of course, it depends on what level of quality you want, in which case please ignore my tuppence worth. But skilled shoemakers are a dying breed, and should be supported at every turn! I should go and do some real, non-soapbox work now! Cheers, Hilary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 17:34:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CLYARM017209 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:34:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CLXPNX013969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CLXMis026370; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.donet.com (mail.donet.com [64.56.96.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CLXJit026352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mjh@pearlandplume.com) Received: (qmail 28657 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 21:33:19 -0000 X-Sender: mjh@pearlandplume.com X-Recipient: h-costume@indra.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?65.24.121.118?) (65.24.121.118) by mail.donet.com for h-costume@indra.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 21:33:19 -0000 Received-SPF: none (mail.donet.com: domain at pearlandplume.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:28:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] blue ribbed silk waistcoat From: Marsha J Hamilton To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c3fb0c$132cfa80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Did you ever finish the outfit you were making based on Gustaf III's Weddingsuit at Livrustkammaren in Stockholm? Is there a URL for the completed ensemble? I'd love to see how it turned out. Thanks. Marsha ------- > I have started a new hobby, i tryed to make some ribbon embroidery. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillesuit.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 19:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5CN0kRM018037 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CMxdNX019527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CMxOis061253; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5CMxNis061247 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-40-065.jps.net ([209.165.40.65] helo=KALC) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZHT8-0004bS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:59:22 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:59:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <02b701c44e58$a0485500$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since this conversation, I managed with some leads from Ruthann, to find the Fair Trade Federation which had some leads to embroidery co-operatives and have been enquiring about getting some items commissioned by organisations that work so that the artists actually receives money for his/her labors. As a sample I was emailed this beautiful unicorn embroidery.... its just beautiful http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/Bulletinboard.htm Don't have a price on it yet but maybe someone in dire straits would like a job making fingerlooped braids, thread wrapped buttons. Items that could sell, but not for western wages. Lisa Sinervo who still hates this whole world ecomony!!!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of E House Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers I think the fact that in these areas, jobs of any sort are often scarce should not be forgotten. Jobs that a lot of Americans would consider 'sweatshop jobs' are highly prized and generally have dozens or even hundreds more applicants than there are openings. Would you rather employ people who could easily find another job for the same wage in the 1st world, and wouldn't starve even if they couldn't find any job at all, or would you rather employ someone who has very few other options, and may be in serious trouble if they don't find work? -E (spent her childhood in a 3rd world country) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 12 22:37:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5D2brRM019396 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:37:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D2ZjNX001187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D2ZWis042721; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50609.mail.yahoo.com (web50609.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5D2ZUis042655 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.49.146.76] by web50609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:35:25 EDT Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, I have a customer who would like a pair of laced, heeled boots for her wedding. Modernly referred to as "granny boots". This style being currently out of mainstream fashion, she is having a hard time locating a reasonably priced - under $150 CDN - white pair. Does anyone have any ideas where a pair could be found? Many thanks Kathy --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 02:04:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5D64VRM020001 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D63oNX010074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D63dis019288; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D63ais019271 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 365FD5CC6DA; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 220AA5CC6B9 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.211.68 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3981.198.93.211.68.1087106614.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.68 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) In-Reply-To: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hello everyone, > > I have a customer who would like a pair of laced, heeled boots for her > wedding. Modernly referred to as "granny boots". This style being > currently out of mainstream fashion, she is having a hard time locating > a reasonably priced - under $150 CDN - white pair. Does anyone have any > ideas where a pair could be found? > > Many thanks > > Kathy there's two pair on ebay for 19.99 each. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 03:30:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5D7UZRM020262 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:30:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D7UBNX013735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D7U8is051953; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5D7U6is051929 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F93D7C for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p342.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.88]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C0076D3F3 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:30:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:30:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3981.198.93.211.68.1087106614.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ The shoe catalog is $5. They shoe a pair of buttonhigh shoes in white. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 08:57:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DCv5RM001347 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DCt5NX026698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DCspis059625; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DCsnis059603 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:54:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from casamai@sbcglobal.net) Received: from casamai (ppp-65-69-45-66.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [65.69.45.66]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5DCsmfY002829 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003901c45146$054cdb20$0a01a8c0@sbcglobal.net> From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 07:57:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is a chemise; a 'Cutty Sark' refers to a short version of same. Don't remember how that relates to the ship but there you go. Nora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Strid" Does anyone here know what a 'sark' is? It's mentioned in a wardrobe account from Mary Queen of Scots (see quote below). My only theory is that it's a Scottish word for chemise, considering that quite a few words in Northern England/Scotland have Scandinavian ancestry, and it is very similar to the Swedish word for chemise ('särk'). "There were five silk gowns, two others (presumably of wool since the material is not specified), three waistcoats or petticoats, a pair of sheets, eight sarks, two napkins and a kerchief, a pair of drawers (calsons) two or three pairs of hose, and 'ane saiting patecleyth' (a satin head-dress)." /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 12:28:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DGSHRM002663 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:28:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DGRkNX007855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DGRkis042463; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DGQNis041887 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-90-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.152]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5DGQ2bM023949 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:26:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040613091839.022051a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:27:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sark? In-Reply-To: <003901c45146$054cdb20$0a01a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6389@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >It is a chemise; a 'Cutty Sark' refers to a short version of same. Don't >remember how that relates to the ship but there you go. Somebody was watching some spirits dancing in their sarks, and made the mistake of commenting out loud about one particularly good-looking female one of them. She began chasing after him, and he was only saved by crossing a bridge - the spirit couldn't follow him over running water. The ship 'Cutty Sark' was named after this legend, or this particular spirit, and the ship's figurehead is a statue of this spirit in her sark. Odd choice of names, because this ship, named after a spirit that couldn't cross water, is the last of her kind, all the others having wrecked or sunk by now. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 12:28:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DGSKRM002666 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:28:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DGQPNX007773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DGQCis041803; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DGQAis041791 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-90-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.152]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5DGQ2bK023949 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:26:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040613090146.0219f460@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:17:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re:[h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies In-Reply-To: <1087069724.40cb5e1c94bd9@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You'll save time, >money, effort, >frustration and flesh wounds if you find a good shoemaker and commission a >pair. Option one: In California, or anywhere else with a large Hispanic population, go find where the Folklorico dancers get their shoes. This may mean having measurements taken and waiting for the shoes to be made in Mexico. But the high lace-up boots that serious Folklorico dancers, female, wear are probably made the same way Victorian/Edwardian boots were made, and possibly still on the same Victorian/Edwardian lasts. Option two: Get a copy of Every Woman Her Own Shoemaker, and follow the instructions in there. This is a pamphlet-sized book I have seen but do not own (yet), originally published sometime in the mid-1800s, which has step by step directions for making some kinds of Victorian footwear without specialized tools. Check the re-enactor supply places to see who has republished this and sells it. Option three: Mary Wales Loomis has a book out called Making your Own Shoes and Handbags. Ms. Loomis doesn't do historical shoes, but her method is so good that you will still end up with wearable costume shoes if you follow her directions and can extrapolate a pattern for what you want. Her shoes are made using modern techniques, and Barge's All Purpose Glue, instead of traditional methods, but they look fine from the outside. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 13:08:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DH8JRM002837 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:08:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DH4DNX010339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DH4Ais057196; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DH49is057175 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.188]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040613170402.VSWC10364.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c45168$6a9ae040$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:03:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ufortunately, the price of the shoes will be way over the 150.00 budget in the original post. I had this catologue years ago and remember being very surprised at the cost of the shoes. Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:30 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots > http://www.amazondrygoods.com/ > > The shoe catalog is $5. > They shoe a pair of buttonhigh shoes in white. > > De > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 14:32:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DIWmRM003326 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:32:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DIUkNX015546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DIUfis093886; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5DIUdis093869 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 18:30:38 -0000 Message-ID: <009501c45174$89e8ad40$91e67643@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:30:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They have them off and on over at ebay. Wedding boots in satin, vintage granny boots, etc. I needed them for a show and found six pair. She should type in boot(s) and lace(s) or laced--- white also if she wants, but that might narrow the search too much. Right now I couldn't find many, but I can almost guarantee she will find the perfect pair if she's got a few months. There is also www.zappos.com, they have like all the shoes in the world. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots > Hello everyone, > > I have a customer who would like a pair of laced, heeled boots for her wedding. Modernly referred to as "granny boots". This style being currently out of mainstream fashion, she is having a hard time locating a reasonably priced - under $150 CDN - white pair. Does anyone have any ideas where a pair could be found? > > Many thanks > > Kathy > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! 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Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 15:15:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DJF6RM003477 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:15:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DJDGNX017948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DJDEis014038; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DJDDit014030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-190.sonic.net [209.148.112.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5DJDCFj009369 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:13:13 -0700 Message-ID: <40CCA867.1090507@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:17:59 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots References: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> <009501c45174$89e8ad40$91e67643@lazear1> In-Reply-To: <009501c45174$89e8ad40$91e67643@lazear1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Granny boots" are not high fashion currently; but often a manufacturer or two still makes a boot in this style for fall/winter. I got a very nice taupe pair on clearance this past January (or was it December?) for $10. However, most manufacturers view ankle boots of any style (and ankle boots, or [shudder] "booties," is the category they are likely to be lumped into) as strictly a fall/winter fashion. This is the worst time of year to find them. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com Cabbage Rose Costumes wrote: >Right now I couldn't find many, but I can >almost guarantee she will find the perfect pair if she's got a few months. >There is also www.zappos.com, they have like all the shoes in the world. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 19:19:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DNJBRM005083 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:19:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DNHANX006144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DNGris026749; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5DNGpis026733 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id 352285CC5F1; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0038.floodcity.net [198.93.211.38]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87ED5CC737 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CCDFB2.D988D687@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:13:54 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots References: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> <009501c45174$89e8ad40$91e67643@lazear1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I typed in White granny boots and got two pair, different sizes, finishes in 2-3 days i think. try different ways of searching and you will get more hits I bet depending on how the seller discribed them. Kitty Cabbage Rose Costumes wrote: > > They have them off and on over at ebay. Wedding boots in satin, vintage > granny boots, etc. I needed them for a show and found six pair. She should > type in boot(s) and lace(s) or laced--- white also if she wants, but that > might narrow the search too much. Right now I couldn't find many, but I can > almost guarantee she will find the perfect pair if she's got a few months. > There is also www.zappos.com, they have like all the shoes in the world. > > angela > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Page" > To: "Historical Costume List" > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:35 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I have a customer who would like a pair of laced, heeled boots for her > wedding. Modernly referred to as "granny boots". This style being currently > out of mainstream fashion, she is having a hard time locating a reasonably > priced - under $150 CDN - white pair. Does anyone have any ideas where a > pair could be found? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 13 23:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5E3j4RM006009 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:45:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E3h4NX023622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E3gsis048316; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:42:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f37.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E3gqis048277 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:42:49 -0700 Received: from 129.244.96.92 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:42:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.92] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:42:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2004 03:42:49.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D05FC0:01C451C1] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies/Victiorian Boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Hilary Davidson >Can I be honest here and say, IMHO, it's not worth your while trying to >make Victorian >shoes unless you want to be really serious about it. You'll save time, >money, effort, >frustration and flesh wounds if you find a good shoemaker and commission a >pair. >Shoemaking from the nineteenth century is specialised and difficult, and to >get a finish >anywhere near period examples takes a long time to learn. I was an >apprentice couture >shoemaker for three years, and would still think hard about doing it >myself. Of course, it >depends on what level of quality you want, in which case please ignore my >tuppence >worth. But skilled shoemakers are a dying breed, and should be supported at >every turn! Absolutely. I've made modern shoes as well as the medieval ones, and while after about 8 years of practice, I'm reasonably practiced and can turn out a relatively ok pair - but compared to people who actually DO shoemaking daily, I suck. (Curiously, at this point I could probably *teach* it though...) I have a friend who's a professional at this, and has offered more than once to make me a pair of Victorian walking boots at the seriously good discount of $500. Properly done handmade shoes ain't cheap, and are still worth it. From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Option two: >Get a copy of Every Woman Her Own Shoemaker, and follow the instructions in >there... It's worth a try, but I was not terribly impressed with this book. Plus it does take a lot of practice. >Option three: >Mary Wales Loomis has a book out called Making your Own Shoes and Handbags. >Ms. Loomis doesn't do historical shoes, but her method is so good that >you... Ok, this might be a workable fallback, particularly if they don't need to be worn more than once or twice. You might also hit http://www.thehcc.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi - tell them where you are, and what you are looking for. They might be able to offer other suggestions. Marc _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 02:01:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5E61hRM006835 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:01:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E61ENX002329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E61Ais006283; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E618is006236 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040614060103012002g22ke>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:01:03 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:00:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009501c45174$89e8ad40$91e67643@lazear1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since they're just for a wedding -- not long-term use, and your customer is looking for inexpensive, try these sources: http://www.westernweddingboots.com/ (check several of the styles, such as "western wedding boots" and "lace-up Victorian style boots" for various options -- some of these boots come with choice of heel and other options) Try also Shepler's western wedding wear: http://www.sheplers.com/cat.cfm?TID=053525&source=google_wedding_westernwedd ing Most of their western wedding boots seem to be $99 US, which should squeak under the $150 CDN limit. There are some very lacy models at $99 US here at Cultured Cowboy, too: http://www.culturedcowboy.com/wedding/bridalwear/pages/bridalboots.htm Good luck! Lauren > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I have a customer who would like a pair of laced, heeled boots for her > wedding. Modernly referred to as "granny boots". This style being currently > out of mainstream fashion, she is having a hard time locating a reasonably > priced - under $150 CDN - white pair. Does anyone have any ideas where a > pair could be found? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 03:25:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5E7PZRM032714 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:25:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E7N0NX007002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E7Mpis039823; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E7Mnis039813 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-90-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.152]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5E7MeqF000804 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040614001621.01847cd0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:22:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies/Victiorian Boots In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Option three: >>Mary Wales Loomis has a book out called Making your Own Shoes and Handbags. >>Ms. Loomis doesn't do historical shoes, but her method is so good that >>you... > >Ok, this might be a workable fallback, particularly if they don't need to be >worn more than once or twice. I picked up my copy directly from her home. The pair of shoes she made that I held in my hand were just as good as the average commercial offering. Barge's cement is pretty good at holding things together under normal use. The number and composition of the inner layers she recommends is the same as in a standard pair of women's shoes. And I seem to recall that she suggests having a shoe repair person attach the heels for you. So I'd say costume shoes made by her method would last as long as any comparable modern pair of women's shoes would. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 07:17:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EBHTRM002016 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EBGfNX018411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EBGPis032033; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EBGMis031943 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.149.2bad615a (15863) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d24.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.165]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df740cd88fd1c3; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:16:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:16:13 -0400 From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies/Victiorian Boots MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0DC7024A.4F4052A3.0A017B04@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 67.23.178.158 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO iI am forwarding this message to the list because several people asked for this info and I have permission freom my friend Linda to publish this info. I wrote abot the satore she owns for shoemaking supplies. It has been in the family since 1850. There is still old inventory that has been around, I wrote about the shoe buttons. For more information and prices please contact Linda Steffan at: llsteffan@bluefrog.com Linda asked for whoever writes to her to please use the subjectline: SHOEBUTTONS. She usually does not open emails from addresses she does not know, so the suybject line shoe buttons guarantees that your message will be read, rather than deleted. Thanks Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 09:04:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ED4ARM002829 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:04:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED3GNX024644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:03:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED3Cis076606; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED2lis076409 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-50-107.jps.net ([209.165.50.107] helo=KALC) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BZr6s-0000B1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:02:47 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies/Victiorian Boots Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:02:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For those with a general interest in shoemaking, I suggest the book "Handmade Shoes for Men" http://www.elegant-lifestyle.com/bom0601.htm This is really a coffee table book with hundreds of pictures covering all the steps of bespoke shoe making. I doubt anyone likely to buy this book plans on trying the methods out but it is very details and yummy. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 09:08:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ED8YRM002849 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:08:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED7oNX024961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED7nis078770; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED7kit078715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104077.uvm.edu [132.198.104.77]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ED7h91014020 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <40CDA324.5010004@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:07:48 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO teawithablackdragon * wrote: > http://www.patternsoftime.com/patterns/Costume_Conn/COS1603W.gif Oh dear. I do not have this pattern so I do not know if the picture on the cover accurately represents the contents. However, based on that picture I've always had serious reservations about using this pattern for a Tudor. For an 18th century gown maybe, but I've never seen an image of a Tudor gown that had that type of bodice. The wide opening in the front filled in with a panel is just non-existent on any Tudor images I've ever come across. The sleeves are rather dicey as well... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 10:42:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EEg3RM003378 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EEbINX002042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EEb7is028520; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5EEb3is028424 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040614143656.34926.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:36:56 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <40CDA324.5010004@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is true that most tudor had a closed front, but it did fall just before th Elizabethan age and they did have open fronts or panels. The pic could be also pre tudor. 12th century didn't have a skirt attatched to a bodice, but tudor did. It can be made a little closer to proper Tudor. Dettatch the sleeves and have them tie on and perhaps have a lace up front or some other similar alteration to the front and avoid attatching the front panel. An under dress that shows through or a false front (skirt beneath the underdress that only has the fancy panel that shows, I know another layer sounds awful, but it is historically accurate). YOu could cheat and attatch the pieace, like the picture shows, but sew it so it appears to be separate and no one would know the difference until they get close and examne the work. Janet Hope Greenberg wrote: teawithablackdragon * wrote: > http://www.patternsoftime.com/patterns/Costume_Conn/COS1603W.gif Oh dear. I do not have this pattern so I do not know if the picture on the cover accurately represents the contents. However, based on that picture I've always had serious reservations about using this pattern for a Tudor. For an 18th century gown maybe, but I've never seen an image of a Tudor gown that had that type of bodice. The wide opening in the front filled in with a panel is just non-existent on any Tudor images I've ever come across. The sleeves are rather dicey as well... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 12:52:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EGqYRM004273 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EGpbNX016245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EGpWis031222; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.primushost.com (smtp1.primushost.com [209.58.220.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EGpRit031095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1BZug5-0004FX-11; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:51:21 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1BZuVb-0003P0-00; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:40:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots In-Reply-To: <20040613023525.99276.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume List X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On ebay I often search for 19th century and Edwardian style shoes, I can't stand what's available in fashionable shoes nowadays. Never thought I'd start avoiding going into shoe stores. I find searching with the the words granny or victorian + boots will find Victorian style boots, or if you go to the shoes category and type @0 granny Victorian you will find about 200 items, many of which are boots. Hope this helps! Katy On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Kathy Page wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I have a customer who would like a pair of laced, heeled boots for her wedding. Modernly referred to as "granny boots". This style being currently out of mainstream fashion, she is having a hard time locating a reasonably priced - under $150 CDN - white pair. Does anyone have any ideas where a pair could be found? > >Many thanks > >Kathy > > > >--------------------------------- >Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 14:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EI9MRM004644 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EI7VNX023976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EI7INI091637; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50607.mail.yahoo.com (web50607.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5EI7BNI091493 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040614180704.88291.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.49.146.76] by web50607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:07:04 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:07:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victiorian Boots To: Katy Bishop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Historical Costume List X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks everyone for the suggestion to look on EBay. I had never thought of that! I forwarded the idea over to my customer. I have a pair of vintage boots in my collection that would likely fit, I am just loathe to part with them. They still have the shoemaker stamp showing on the bottom. :-) Kathy Katy Bishop wrote: On ebay I often search for 19th century and Edwardian style shoes, I can't stand what's available in fashionable shoes nowadays. Never thought I'd start avoiding going into shoe stores. I find searching with the the words granny or victorian + boots will find Victorian style boots, or if you go to the shoes category and type @0 granny Victorian you will find about 200 items, many of which are boots. Hope this helps! Katy --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 14:51:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EIpTRM004811 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:51:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EIn9NX028239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EIn3NI024262; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f15.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EImxNI024128 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:19:15 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:19:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2004 18:19:15.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[198EA270:01C4523C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies/Victiorian Boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >...is the same as in a standard pair of women's shoes. And I seem to >recall >that she suggests having a shoe repair person attach the heels for you. So >I'd say costume shoes made by her method would last as long as any >comparable modern pair of women's shoes would. I'm sure they would (this is probably a bad time to mention my really low opinion of the quality of most modern made shoes, and women's shoes in particular :) You all are being really taken advantage of). >From: "lisa-list" >For those with a general interest in shoemaking, I suggest the book >"Handmade Shoes for Men" http://www.elegant-lifestyle.com/bom0601.htm This >is really a coffee table book with hundreds of pictures covering all the >steps of bespoke shoe making. I doubt anyone likely to buy this book plans >on trying the methods out but it is very details and yummy. You'd be surprised :) Marc _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 20:19:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F0JnRM006657 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F0J0NX000380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F0IkNI061458; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F0IhNI061421 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-90-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.152]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5F0I4Xs011109 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:18:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040614162054.021cbec0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:24:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Victorian Shoemaking & Supplies/Victiorian Boots In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'm sure they would (this is probably a bad time to mention my really low >opinion of the quality of most modern made shoes, and women's shoes in >particular :) You all are being really taken advantage of). That things made for men's use are better made than things for women's use has been known in my family since at least my grandfather. He married my grandmother about 1900, and bought shoemaker's leather-cutting knives for paring knives for his new wife. The knives outlived both of them, and were still giving good service in the 1970s. But hey - for costume shoes these will do just fine. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 20:38:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F0cgRM006781 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:38:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F0c8NX001569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:38:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F0c6NI071591; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes1.whowhere.com [209.202.220.218]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5F0c4NI071495 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 00:37:50 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 00:37:50 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thinking of Regency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I've been naughty - I've been cruising the oh so tempting ebay, and came across this fashion print for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10167&item=3729663576&rd=1 Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to do a detachable train similar to this one? Does it actually work without some sort of support in the shoulder area? At first glance I thought it was the sort of formal robe that you see at the bottom of this page: http://www.songsmyth.com/eveningdresses.html but it clearly isn't. Now I'm interested in the mechanics of how it would work - I'm sure the fabrics used would effect the garments greatly... Cheers, Danielle Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 21:46:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F1kwRM007058 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F1kFNX006555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F1kCNI004959; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:46:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51306.mail.yahoo.com (web51306.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5F1kBNI004919 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040615014605.72234.qmail@web51306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.199] by web51306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:46:05 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Boots To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Katy Bishop wrote: > > On ebay I often search for 19th century and > Edwardian style shoes, I > can't stand what's available in fashionable shoes > nowadays. Never > thought I'd start avoiding going into shoe stores. You must be fortunate enough to have standard sized feet then. When I go to the specialty shoe store & pay retail, I wish they made triple-wide shoes, 'cause regular double wide have more than half an inch extra in front of my toes. But my lovely 14/15th century style shoes by Master Dru (custom) fit Wonderfully. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 22:02:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F22ARM007086 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:02:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F21TNX007789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F21PNI012284; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f94.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F21NNI012221 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:01:18 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:01:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:01:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 02:01:18.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[A607AE00:01C4527C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know what you mean. When I bought the pattern I was just looking for an easy pattern to make garb and was not looking to something necessary historical accurate. I look at pattern and said to myself I have never seen a Tudor gown that look quite like that. I was thinking of the Tudor's on the page http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/famouswomen.htm The bodice on this pattern is two pieces and laces up the back.You can cut it as one. I need the seam and usually cut it as two of the same color and type of fabric. It has a narrow shoulder band. It is the tricker part of the gown making bodice just right so it stays in place.The gown that I made that got past the SCA authentocrates was of one color and had detached sleeves as well as having under and over skirt. The only sleeve I like from the patten is the big one. The instructions for the pattern for the sleeves solved a number of problems for me and was worth the money I spent on the pattern. The big sleeve looks great lined and turned back to the elbow and pined either to so the lining and the under sleeve. I have used the sleeve from Mantua Maker SpanishLoose Gown and from the Mantua Maker Round gown In the picture the skirt it is actual two layers an underskirt and an overskirt, that trim going up the seam makes it looks like the cheat with the false. The skirt is a two piece pattern and it is easy to adapt it to the cheat with false under panel. Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 22:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F2SiRM007236 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:28:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F2SDNX009572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F2S9NI025092; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41504.mail.yahoo.com (web41504.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5F2S8NI025028 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040615022802.89373.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:28:02 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO SOunds as though you have aplan in mind and know how to adapt them. I have drafted and eproduced this dress http://www.costumes.org/history/greatwomen/greatwomenlauedenoyes.jpg Hopefully it works the way it should....but I made it for my sister 11yo and almost finished mine and my dughter's. I hadn't seen a commercial pattern for it, but it turned out great. I need to take pics of my sister to show how well it cam out. It was absolutely beautiful. Janet teawithablackdragon * wrote: I know what you mean. When I bought the pattern I was just looking for an easy pattern to make garb and was not looking to something necessary historical accurate. I look at pattern and said to myself I have never seen a Tudor gown that look quite like that. I was thinking of the Tudor's on the page http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/famouswomen.htm The bodice on this pattern is two pieces and laces up the back.You can cut it as one. I need the seam and usually cut it as two of the same color and type of fabric. It has a narrow shoulder band. It is the tricker part of the gown making bodice just right so it stays in place.The gown that I made that got past the SCA authentocrates was of one color and had detached sleeves as well as having under and over skirt. The only sleeve I like from the patten is the big one. The instructions for the pattern for the sleeves solved a number of problems for me and was worth the money I spent on the pattern. The big sleeve looks great lined and turned back to the elbow and pined either to so the lining and the under sleeve. I have used the sleeve from Mantua Maker SpanishLoose Gown and from the Mantua Maker Round gown In the picture the skirt it is actual two layers an underskirt and an overskirt, that trim going up the seam makes it looks like the cheat with the false. The skirt is a two piece pattern and it is easy to adapt it to the cheat with false under panel. Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 14 22:31:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F2VuRM007274 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F2VNNX009776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F2VKNI026557; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F2VJNI026494 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004061502311001400bt966e>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:31:11 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I actually just rebuilt a new one from Margo's pattern I've used the steel hoop wire and my Elizabethan noble collapsed the old one. After the first collapse I doubled the hoop wire and it collapsed again. The hoop wire is not very forgiving. My new hoop is stiffened with PVC tubing. So far it is showing a lot more forgiveness in travel and poundage it can hold. Molly who firmly believes the Spanish farthingale should be round not oval and can't stand the wheel farthingales -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) At 2:06 PM -0400 6/11/04, Janet Renzetti wrote: >I know this is SOOOO not period, but a quick way to make a >farthingale hoope is steel binding. A friend of mine made his wife >one that way, and so I had one done for me. He works in a warehouse >and so the pallets are wrapped sometimes in 1" wide binding. The >great thing is tha I can drive while wearing it because it is >posable. One day I might do a proper one and get full research >going for it, but it is a make do thing and since I don't wear it >that often, too hard to chase kids, when I don't have a servant, I >only wear it for special occasions. That's what mine uses -- in my case, 1-inch steel strapping I picked up for free at a lumber yard. It works splendidly and is nice and flexible -- I can walk through a room of folding chairs without knocking any of them over :) Only a few disadvantages -- (1) it does tend to wear through any fabric casing you put it in eventually, (2) you have to remove it to wash the farthingale, and (3) it's kind of on the heavy side compared to some other things I've seen used. But my metal hoops are now on their second cloth farthingale and still going strong after almost ten years. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 15 00:04:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F445RM007790 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 00:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F43INX017530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F43ANI070970; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F439NJ070936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:03:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-120.sonic.net [209.148.112.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5F435c1025655 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:03:06 -0700 Message-ID: <40CE7619.1040400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:07:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric sale with many participating stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.fabshophop.com/BlowOutSale.asp Sale only lasts till Tuesday (tomorrow). Looks like mostly the types of fabrics quilters use. But reenactors use some of them too, so the link might be useful. Fran Lavolta Press Two New Books of 1870s and 1880s Patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 15 00:22:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F4MMRM007866 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 00:22:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F4LlNX018938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F4LhNI080232; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F4LfNI080217 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.159.221.31.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([4.159.221.31] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ba5S8-00047B-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:21:40 -0700 Message-ID: <40CE77DE.DC6B9E3F@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:15:26 -0500 From: Ms Berard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers References: <200406081954.AA194183308@thrednedlestrete.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't much mind that people in other countries don't get paid *just* like US workers, if they are paid proportionally. Cost of living can vary wildy. A wage that you can barely get by on in Manhattan is great in the Midwest. Rather than just telling me what the wage would be in US$, I wish they would say what it would buy or how it compares to the average in the country. I once asked that question of someone going on about how little workers were paid somewhere (this was many years ago-can't remember all the details anymore), but when pressed for the average yearly income in that country ..... it was a good bit less than those *underpaid* workers were getting. So while a few dollars might not buy much in the US, it might be alot in another country. Onaree Lisa Sinervo wrote: > >snip> > Could be done, might still do it, but it bothers me greatly. Someone in India should get paid as much as I would pay any US worker (or as much as I charge myself for my services). I'd like to change the whole world economy so everyone had a meal, a home, a safe place to live. What to do, what do??? I don't hate anyone, but I certaily get quite disillusioned. > > Lisa Sinervo > www.thrednedlestrete.com > -- Proud list mom of Irish Crochet Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 15 02:03:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F63fRM009483 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:03:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F5vBNX024717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F5v7NI024041; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5F5v5NI024002 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:57:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA2B5B44 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040614224225.01c69f18@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:56:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: corded farthingales (wasRe: [h-cost] Corset) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I actually just rebuilt a new one from Margo's pattern I've used the steel >hoop wire and my Elizabethan noble collapsed the old one. After the first >collapse I doubled the hoop wire and it collapsed again. The hoop wire is >not very forgiving. My new hoop is stiffened with PVC tubing. So far it is >showing a lot more forgiveness in travel and poundage it can hold. > >Molly >who firmly believes the Spanish farthingale should be round not oval and >can't stand the wheel farthingales Hi Molly I think it depends on the hoop wire used and the weight of the skirts on top of it. Also depends on how many wires are used. I saw a demo last year at Costume College on steel by Linda Sparks of Farthingales, and she uses the thicker spring steel. From her website: "50-8406-14 white 14mm(1/2"), 14mm wide X .55mm thick, this is our strongest hoop steel which is capable of supporting large hoops and heavy fabrics without collapsing." She suggests using it for the bottom two rows at least. And with her tips and connectors, she was able to take a civil war petticoat with multiple hoops, and pulled out the petticoat and the steel from a large ziplock baggie that was packed in her suitcase. The steel is plastic coated, and it bends a lot less than the regular thickness steel (0.3mm). Most hoop skirts I have seen and have the wires for such, are the two wire thread covered things, and I agree those don't hold up to a full velvet Tudor skirt, no matter how many you have in the petticoat/farthingale, or how much duct tape you use to keep it together. Needless to say I am making a new farthingale with the steel. Kimiko I agree about the Spanish farthingale, but I may be making a wheel farthingale soon. Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 15 09:32:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5FDWURM004898 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:32:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5FDVQNX018978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5FDV6NI018501; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5FDV4NI018408 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040615133057.12703.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:30:57 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] international wages for textile workers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <40CE77DE.DC6B9E3F@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree. I have see this in Russia when I was there. Significant difference in the wages, but also in the cost of livin compared to North America. Janet Ms Berard wrote: I don't much mind that people in other countries don't get paid *just* like US workers, if they are paid proportionally. Cost of living can vary wildy. A wage that you can barely get by on in Manhattan is great in the Midwest. Rather than just telling me what the wage would be in US$, I wish they would say what it would buy or how it compares to the average in the country. I once asked that question of someone going on about how little workers were paid somewhere (this was many years ago-can't remember all the details anymore), but when pressed for the average yearly income in that country ..... it was a good bit less than those *underpaid* workers were getting. So while a few dollars might not buy much in the US, it might be alot in another country. Onaree when I can finds time!!> Lisa Sinervo wrote: > >snip> > Could be done, might still do it, but it bothers me greatly. Someone in India should get paid as much as I would pay any US worker (or as much as I charge myself for my services). I'd like to change the whole world economy so everyone had a meal, a home, a safe place to live. What to do, what do??? I don't hate anyone, but I certaily get quite disillusioned. > > Lisa Sinervo > www.thrednedlestrete.com > -- Proud list mom of Irish Crochet Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 15 10:15:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5FEFrRM005136 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5FECWNX022441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5FEC3NI041238; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f93.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5FEC1NI041130 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:11:55 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:11:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:11:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 14:11:55.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[B66F98F0:01C452E2] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Janet Renzetti >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help please with Tudor! >Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:28:02 -0400 (EDT) > >SOunds as though you have aplan in mind and know how to adapt them. > >I have drafted and eproduced this dress >http://www.costumes.org/history/greatwomen/greatwomenlauedenoyes.jpg > >Hopefully it works the way it should....but I made it for my sister 11yo >and almost finished mine and my dughter's. I hadn't seen a commercial >pattern for it, but it turned out great. I need to take pics of my sister >to show how well it cam out. It was absolutely beautiful. > >Janet > I bet it was. Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 01:33:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5G5X2RM011163 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:33:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5G5V6NX024827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5G5UsI9030201; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5G5UqI9030176 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22273 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:33:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:33:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] KWAS event, Orlando X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Will anyone from the list be at the SCA's Known World Arts & Sciences Symposium in Orlando, Florida, the weekend after next (June 25-27)? I'm going to be the guest speaker there; I'll be giving a whopping seven lectures in two days. I don't know a soul in that area that I'm aware of, which leaves me at loose ends (for the few minutes in which I'm not actually lecturing, preparing to lecture, or recovering from lecturing). I would love to know if there will be any listmates present. Event website is here: http://home.earthlink.net/~kwas04/index.html --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 18:23:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GMN4RM011548 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:23:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMMMNX013958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMM3I9017895; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:22:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMLuI9017720 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1135543 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:21:49 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:21:49 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Is it just me? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. Can this be possible? LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 18:32:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GMWDRM011607 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMVSNX014818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMVOI9023880; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMVKI9023797 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.85]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040616223056.TIKD18206.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c453f1$99c70fc0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:30:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not just you, I was starting to wonder myself where everyone was... Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" > I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. > Can this be possible? > > LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 18:35:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GMZ8RM011619 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:35:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMYWNX015206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMYVI9026021; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:34:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMY9I9025703 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004061622340301500fc0oje>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:03 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c453f2$0aa14a30$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:34:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I dunno! I haven't gotten any, either...maybe everyone is busy going places wearing the outfits they made over the fall, winter and spring? Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Is it just me? > I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. > Can this be possible? > > LynnD > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 18:41:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GMfLRM011668 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:41:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMe3NX015789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMdUI9029356; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:39:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMcFI9028322 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Widowweeds@cs.com) Received: from Widowweeds@cs.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.37.4955bf0c (15889) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tlininn (mattdrury.net [68.142.30.226]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1140d0cbcc29; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c453f2$9796f3e0$6401a8c0@tlininn> From: "Widow Weeds" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] KWAS event, Orlando Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-AOL-IP: 68.142.30.226 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > lecturing). I would love to know > if there will be any listmates present. I live in the area but don't do much SCA stuff these days. I hope you have a great time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 18:46:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GMkKRM011689 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:46:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMiONX016359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMiOI9033241; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GMiLI9033135 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Widowweeds@cs.com) Received: from Widowweeds@cs.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.37.4955bf0c (15889) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tlininn (mattdrury.net [68.142.30.226]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v99_r4.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1140d0cbcc29; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c453f2$9796f3e0$6401a8c0@tlininn> From: "Widow Weeds" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] KWAS event, Orlando Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-AOL-IP: 68.142.30.226 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > lecturing). I would love to know > if there will be any listmates present. I live in the area but don't do much SCA stuff these days. I hope you have a great time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 19:52:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GNq2RM011879 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GNoBNX022872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GNo7I9072055; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:50:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5GNo5I9071941 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:49:44 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:49:44 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.65 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was wondering as well, mind you I always seem to get email seriously out of order - so I haven't seen Lynn's yet...anyway, I went from 50 or 60 messages down to 3. Maybe most of these lucky people are on holiday? Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >Not just you, I was starting to wonder myself where everyone was... > >Sheridan > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lynn Downward" > >> I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. >> Can this be possible? >> >> LynnD Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 20:19:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H0JjRM011962 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0JANX025065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0J7I9087689; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5H0J4I9087634 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040617001859.30510.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:18:59 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002e01c453f2$0aa14a30$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't received anything either. I just figured either no one has anything to say for a change or the message system was down. Janet Gia wrote: I dunno! I haven't gotten any, either...maybe everyone is busy going places wearing the outfits they made over the fall, winter and spring? Emer \ Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Is it just me? > I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. > Can this be possible? > > LynnD > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 20:50:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H0oVRM012018 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:50:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0nxNX027005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0nwI9003794; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0nrI9003689 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:49:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28632 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:52:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:52:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Lynn Downward wrote: > I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since > yesterday. Can this be possible? The only post I've seen, till this thread, is one I made (on my upcoming visit to Orlando, not a particularly exciting post). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 20:51:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H0pgRM012023 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:51:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0lbNX026843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0lXI9002548; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H0lUI9002493 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3206B4264A for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40D0EA3C.6030404@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:47:56 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? References: <002e01c453f2$0aa14a30$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> In-Reply-To: <002e01c453f2$0aa14a30$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gia wrote: > I dunno! I haven't gotten any, either...maybe everyone is busy going places > wearing the outfits they made over the fall, winter and spring? > Going places, sewing stuff. I just finished putting together outfits to wear at a local renaissance festival. I don't make new costumes every year, but there are usually adjustments to be made to whatever we decide to wear, and this year I did make my husband a new shirt. In eight weeks we're doing a mid-victorian event with friends and since this is a new period for us, it's taking a lot more preparation. Oh, and I finished a dress for a customer who will be vending at a ren-fest in Virginia this summer. Not my busiest summer, but busy enough. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 22:05:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H25ERM012219 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H22VNX001715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H22KI9039586; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H22EIA039522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H26vfc000539 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:06:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5H26vI8000537 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:06:57 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:06:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406162206.57100.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 16 June 2004 06:21 pm, Lynn Downward wrote: > I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. > Can this be possible? Yup. I guess people are on vacation or something. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 16 23:33:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H3X9RM012476 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H3WVNX007401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H3WRI9081756; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H3WKI9081654 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.13]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:32:24 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Is it just me? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c4541b$aee945b0$0db00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <200406162206.57100.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 03:32:24.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4E39380:01C4541B] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a big gap between 4:30 am and 5:20 pm.... Maybe Server probs? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is it just me? On Wednesday 16 June 2004 06:21 pm, Lynn Downward wrote: > I haven't gotten any email from h-costume or h-needlework since yesterday. > Can this be possible? Yup. I guess people are on vacation or something. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 14:37:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HIbPRM010933 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:37:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HIaANX008310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HIZuI9060422; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5HIZoI9060335 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kendra@tweedlebop.com) Received: from unknown (HELO hopperflop2) (kendrav@sbcglobal.net@69.106.225.188 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 18:35:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c45499$e6e0acf0$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:35:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Butterick corset pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I just saw a link to this on another costumer's site -- Butterick has come out with an interesting looking corset pattern for 18th c. and 19th c. corsets! I'm really impressed by the boning layouts on the 18th c. views, although I'm only looking at the images on their website. http://tinyurl.com/yu5ob - Kendra http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 14:58:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HIwTRM011070 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HIuaNX010313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HIuWI9076418; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HIuSI9076300 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1138720 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:56:22 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:56:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Butterick corset pattern From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001e01c45499$e6e0acf0$0302a8c0@hopperflop2> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, Kendra, for reminding me that there were a few new patterns I wanted to all you all about. I saw these in a JoAnns blitz on their 50% off the notions wall on Friday. Simplicity has four new (to me) men's patterns that look 1840s to me but they're calling them civil War. I don't know men's styles, so they could be right. Has anyone seen these patterns and where do they fit historically and accurately? They look good to me but as I said, I don't really know men's clothing. There's a longjohns pattern, two patterns for pants and shirts, one with a vest and cap. Here's the link - http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=57 They are the first four men's outfits on the page. LynnD On 6/17/04 11:35 AM, "Kendra Van Cleave" wrote: > Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I just saw a link to this on > another costumer's site -- Butterick has come out with an interesting > looking corset pattern for 18th c. and 19th c. corsets! I'm really > impressed by the boning layouts on the 18th c. views, although I'm only > looking at the images on their website. > > http://tinyurl.com/yu5ob > > - Kendra > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 15:28:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HJSrRM011210 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HJQwNX013729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HJQsI9099717; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HJQpI9099631 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:26:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2EE4264A for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40D1F09C.6040300@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:27:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity (was : Butterick corset pattern References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > Has anyone seen these patterns and where do > they fit historically and accurately? > > Here's the link - > > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=57 > > > They are the first four men's outfits on the page. Lynn, If I recall correctly they were drafted by listmember Martha Kelly, who knows her stuff. If you check around on the Simplicity site you will find her documentation for each of the articles of clothing. I posted a link recently, it should be in the list archives. They are very good reproductions for the modern seamstress. I bought all 4 envelopes and am in the process of making the vest from 5037. I'm keeping a costume diary, so anyone who is interested can check with me later to see how it went. At the moment I have it about half cut out, didn't have enough lining fabric on hand so I need to get more this weekend. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 15:35:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HJZPRM011235 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HJXONX014353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HJXII9004692; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HJX7I9004523 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:33:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200406171433.AA359268432@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Butterick corset pattern X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I picked up the Simplicity men's civil war shirts, made a couple of collar adjustments and now they work well for 16th century too. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 17:48:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HLmcRM011818 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HLlwNX028258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HLliI9013310; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HLl4I9012597 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6430844366 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040617144321.023bd570@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:46:58 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian/Edwardian boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Been reading an LJ costuming community, and someone got some nice boots and gave this url for the makers. http://www.lorians.com/ . They are based in Texas, USA. Wanted to share for those interested in such boots and shoes. I know I have been wanting a good pair that will last. Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother DreamTime Studios: http://www.dreamtime-studios.com LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/~sstormwatch/ Personal site: http://www.kimiko1.com "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." - Eleanor Roosevelt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 18:07:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HM78RM011978 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HM5MNX000131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HM5II9027173; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HM5AI9027020 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:05:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.c6.2d67faec (4380) for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:04:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity (was : Butterick corset pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/17/2004 3:27:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > If I recall correctly they were drafted by listmember Martha Kelly, who > knows her stuff. If you check around on the Simplicity site you will > find her documentation for each of the articles of clothing. They are pretty good. I cut my early 19th century shirts with no shoulder seam, but that doesn't mean the pattern sucks because it has one. And the only things I do differently with waistcoats is a CB seam, no front darts, French shoulder seams, smaller than modern armseyes and a lace instead of a buckle in the back. All that can easily be modified on these patterns. [A double breasted version of the waistcoat would be good too] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 18:16:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5HMG6RM012013 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:16:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HME6NX001230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HME5I9034105; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5HMDxIA034050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-88.sonic.net [209.148.112.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5HMDuwt019908 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:13:57 -0700 Message-ID: <40D218C5.4000708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:18:45 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian/Edwardian boots References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040617144321.023bd570@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040617144321.023bd570@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which reminds me, Capezio has Victorian style boots from time to time. Frances Grimble Lavolta Press Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com Kimiko Small wrote: > Been reading an LJ costuming community, and someone got some nice > boots and gave this url for the makers. http://www.lorians.com/ . > They are based in Texas, USA. > > Wanted to share for those interested in such boots and shoes. I know I > have been wanting a good pair that will last. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 21:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5I1vmRM012889 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:57:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I1v7NX018979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I1usI9079839; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f23.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I1upI9079700 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:56:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:56:43 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.25 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:56:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.25] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity (was : Butterick corset pattern Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:56:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 01:56:43.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[81738570:01C454D7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ...do not forget to check out the new fantasey and Halloween costume. They are not period but the are they look good. http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 22:01:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5I21gRM012915 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:01:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I219NX019231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I218I9082493; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f53.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.53]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I213I9082409 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:01:45 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.25 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:01:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.25] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity (was : Butterick corset pattern Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:01:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 02:01:45.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[351C4210:01C454D8] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO here is the link to her documentation http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/civilWar/index.html >Lynn Downward wrote: > >> Has anyone seen these patterns and where do >>they fit historically and accurately? >> >>Here's the link - >> >>http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=57 >> >> >>They are the first four men's outfits on the page. > >Lynn, > >If I recall correctly they were drafted by listmember Martha Kelly, who >knows her stuff. If you check around on the Simplicity site you will find >her documentation for each of the articles of clothing. I posted a link >recently, it should be in the list archives. They are very good >reproductions for the modern seamstress. > >I bought all 4 envelopes and am in the process of making the vest from >5037. I'm keeping a costume diary, so anyone who is interested can check >with me later to see how it went. At the moment I have it about half cut >out, didn't have enough lining fabric on hand so I need to get more this >weekend. > > > >Dawn > > here is the link to her documentation http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/civilWar/index.html Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 17 22:16:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5I2G3RM013069 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:16:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I2FMNX020276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I2FJI9091811; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I2FHIA091783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I2JZfc006448 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:19:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5I2JYWP006446 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:19:34 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian/Edwardian boots Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:19:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040617144321.023bd570@64.87.54.245> <40D218C5.4000708@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <40D218C5.4000708@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406172219.34551.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 17 June 2004 06:18 pm, Lavolta Press wrote: > Which reminds me, Capezio has Victorian style boots from time to time. I just looked at the Lorians site. They sell the Capezio boots, but at the moment they're out of stock and will be until August. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 07:12:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IBCQRM009544 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:12:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IBBkNX019725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IBBbI9069594; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IBBXI9069466 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90667BEFBC for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:11:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40CE5822.9050006@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:00:02 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Jippieee Robe finished (for now) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Finally It looks like a wearable dress. Tomorrow I will go to a fantasy fair and wera this dress. They say it ill going to rain :-( . http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html Now a have a few ours left to make a costume for my husband. A Captain Jack Sparrow costume form Pirates of the Caribbean... Well something that hopefully will look a little like Captain Jack.... It will probably the most teribble costume I have ever made if I see how much time I have left. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 07:46:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IBkuRM009681 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IBj9NX021095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IBj7I9085664; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt16.ihug.co.nz (grunt16.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IBj4I9085639 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p253-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.253] by grunt16.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BbHnp-0002UZ-00; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:45:02 +1200 Message-ID: <000501c45529$b0764ea0$fdd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:44:59 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: black chemises-cranachpainting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <> Sorry if I'm leaping in here late, I've just come back online:) And found this via the search engine. If it is this one (I kept being referred to B&N when trying to view the images on the website scanned by the originator of the post): http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1525cranyounglady.htm I know someone who saw the real painting and she said it was red. Which is not that odd as Cranach painted another woman (not idealised, so probably a real woman) Well I did specifically mention the panel not her gown;) "Ah - I know this one and have a colour version of it (red). " is what she actually said;) And a red blousy fabric over a blousy shift is not unheard of, though I'm specifically thinking of a bust of Charles... http://www.brugge.be/Musea/m67.htm Heh, doing a search for that brought me photos of Luther, the movie... hrmmmm. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1522womancran.htm http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1549annadanmark.htm and in colour: does show black at her "plastron". Different colours are not that uncommon, gold is seen quite often, and in Cologne red seems to be quite a fashionable colour in Bruyn portraits. Different style, but still witht he brustfleck and "plastron." Not the quote marks? I'm convinced this is the One True Way, there are examples of sleeveless dresses which are reminsicent of the kirtles worn in the 15thC in the Lowlands. But a kirtle may not be appropriate in every circumstance. I do believe these women adapted to their actual needs as well as fashion;) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 10:49:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IEnbRM011027 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:49:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IEmnNX004764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IEmdI9091919; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5IEmaI9091838 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040618144829.27579.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.84.3.68] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:48:29 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jippieee Robe finished (for now) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <40CE5822.9050006@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! that came out beautifully. I am sure you will the envy of the fair. Good Luck. Janet Deredere Galbraith wrote: Finally It looks like a wearable dress. Tomorrow I will go to a fantasy fair and wera this dress. They say it ill going to rain :-( . http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html Now a have a few ours left to make a costume for my husband. A Captain Jack Sparrow costume form Pirates of the Caribbean... Well something that hopefully will look a little like Captain Jack.... It will probably the most teribble costume I have ever made if I see how much time I have left. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 11:00:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IF0eRM011141 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:00:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IEwsNX005804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IEwjI9099272; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:58:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IEwRI9099059 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7809ABF1A5 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:58:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40CE8D56.5080601@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:47:02 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jippieee Robe finished (for now) References: <20040618144829.27579.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I am going to be a judge at the costume competition :-) ;-) :-P Deredere Janet Renzetti wrote: >Wow! that came out beautifully. I am sure you will the envy of the fair. Good Luck. > >Janet > >Deredere Galbraith wrote: >Finally It looks like a wearable dress. >Tomorrow I will go to a fantasy fair and wera this dress. >They say it ill going to rain :-( . >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html > >Now a have a few ours left to make a costume for my husband. >A Captain Jack Sparrow costume form Pirates of the Caribbean... >Well something that hopefully will look a little like Captain Jack.... >It will probably the most teribble costume I have ever made if I see how >much time I have left. > >Greetings, >Deredere > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >--------------------------------- >Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 11:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IFQ1RM011276 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:26:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IFPHNX008741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IFPBI9019949; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IFP9I9019844 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004061815250301300ge1ore>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:25:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c45548$6d694bc0$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40CE5822.9050006@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jippieee Robe finished (for now) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:25:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! It's just *beautiful! Best of luck on your hubby's costume...and remember to breathe! Slán go fóill Emer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] Jippieee Robe finished (for now) > Finally It looks like a wearable dress. > Tomorrow I will go to a fantasy fair and wera this dress. > They say it ill going to rain :-( . > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html > > Now a have a few ours left to make a costume for my husband. > A Captain Jack Sparrow costume form Pirates of the Caribbean... > Well something that hopefully will look a little like Captain Jack.... > It will probably the most teribble costume I have ever made if I see how > much time I have left. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 14:29:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IITURM012747 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IISENX029657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IIS1I9067002; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IIRvI9066909 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-630.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.66.118] helo=soton.ac.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BbO5e-0000ko-TV for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:27:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:31:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rightio, since the list is quiet - what is everyone planning to start/continue/finish over the summer? Or is anyone going to a new/interesting/unknown place in the name of costume? I'm still wrestling with the silk Spanish farthingale with willow hoops, and the toile to go over it, and have got to the *mutter, mutter, stupid idea anyway* stage. I wanted to inkleloom some 9th century woollen leg bindings, but don't think it will happen. Also a mundane silk waistcoat for a friend. I'm going to the Northampton Boot and Shoe Museum for a whole day of research soon- can't wait; and really want to go to Brussels, but again, don't think it will happen. What's everyone else doing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 15:01:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IJ1gRM012850 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:01:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IIxYNX003615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IIxTI9090360; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.218]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IIxPI9090267 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip09.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5IIwekJ066635 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c68.185.171.166.mad.wi.charter.com (HELO laptop) (68.185.171.166) by mxip09.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 14:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c45566$4322dd40$a6abb944@mad.wi.charter.com> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:58:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Rightio, since the list is quiet - what is everyone planning to > start/continue/finish over the summer? Or is anyone going to a > new/interesting/unknown place in the name of costume? > - Well, right now I'm wrestling with a new corded petticoat (Eliz). I thought I was being clever by putting a basket caning in the lower-most casing to give it a bit of oomph, and that looks great by itself or with a lightweight underskirt, but when I put a heavier overskirt on, it tends to bow in about knee level and then stick out. :-P I have a feeling I'm going to have to either cane the whole thing (ugh) or take the cane out of the bottom, which will screw up the length of all the skirts I made......why is it that whenever I try to make things better, I only make them worse?!?!?!?! I hate working with hoopsteel, so I was looking for a substitute that would be lightweight somewhat washable to boot (just would need to take that one piece of cane out). Has anyone tried making a farthingale with willow caning? Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreicated......I'm going for a nice, respectable merchant-class look, rather like the Wedding at Bermondsy. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence My arms are too short to box with God. ~Johnny Cash lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 15:58:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IJw6RM013198 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IJvUNX010304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IJvAI9035100; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IJv7I9035004 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:57:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200406181457.AA28246114@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm making some 16th century smocks including one of the type that was under discussion under gathered necklines. I'm gathering my smock onto an embroidered band, no gathering string. Does anyone know of any evidence that these neckbindings have been cut on the bias. My assumption is that they would not due to conserving precious fabric, but I bet the neckline would lie better on a bias cut. Any thoughts? Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 16:58:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IKwHRM013651 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IKvbNX016556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IKvUI9081653; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IKvQI9081621 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.15]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HZI00HH7VJ5TV@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [167.206.5.139] (Forwarded-For: [167.206.224.2]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:57:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:57:00 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays To: Historical Costume Message-id: <358ab6358dc2.358dc2358ab6@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Northampton ..where???? Katheryne who REALLY needs to go to a shoe museum to do research ... yeah that's it ... research.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Davidson > I'm going to the Northampton Boot and Shoe Museum for a whole day > of > research soon- can't wait; and really want to go to Brussels, but > again, don't think it will happen. > > What's everyone else doing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 17:05:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IL5IRM013700 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IL3ONX017197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IL3NI9086290; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IL3LI9086252 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from susan (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F3D86AD50 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b201c45578$8885c0c0$0200a8c0@susan> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:09:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What's everyone else doing? > Trying to clean enough stuff out of my fabric storage room so it can be used as a bedroom this summer. A difficult task it seems. I am considering selling fabric on ebay, if I can figure out how. Does fabric sell? Susan in Bellevue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 17:31:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ILVTRM013812 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:31:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ILUhNX020377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:30:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ILUZI9007116; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ILUVI9007054 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A7C234F for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040618142905.024d73c8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:30:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays In-Reply-To: <00b201c45578$8885c0c0$0200a8c0@susan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:09 PM 6/18/2004 -0700, you wrote: > Trying to clean enough stuff out of my fabric storage room so it can be >used as a bedroom this summer. A difficult task it seems. I am considering >selling fabric on ebay, if I can figure out how. Does fabric sell? > >Susan in Bellevue I think it depends on the fabric and the initial price. I have bought some fabrics from eBay sellers, but my interest varies depending on my needs. Good luck with it, and let us know your seller name when you do. Kimiko (who needs to clear out her old stash as well.) Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 18:05:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IM5HRM014051 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:05:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IM3RNX023753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IM3NI9031274; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IM3LI9031191 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B4F4264A for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40D366D5.4080705@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:04:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays References: <00b201c45578$8885c0c0$0200a8c0@susan> In-Reply-To: <00b201c45578$8885c0c0$0200a8c0@susan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan wrote: >>What's everyone else doing? >> > > Trying to clean enough stuff out of my fabric storage room so it can be > used as a bedroom this summer. A difficult task it seems. I am considering > selling fabric on ebay, if I can figure out how. Does fabric sell? From time to time, but I've never been able to get very much for mine. People want a bargain. You might have better luck setting up a table at an SCA event where folks can see and touch. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 18:23:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IMNvRM014085 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IMNENX025994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IMN2I9044932; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IMMpI9044818 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004061822224601300gf4u3e>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:22:46 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c45582$c7bb8040$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b201c45578$8885c0c0$0200a8c0@susan> <40D366D5.4080705@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:22:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found that bringing my stash of fabric to my local events has a really good turn out of folks who want to buy. I think that is because I chose to sell my stash at an event where most folks attending pretty much knew I'd sell period of period-ish materials. I had a great time talking to folks and find out what they'd use such and such piece for. I also sold many of my old italian ren gowns. I am afraid the supply did not meet the demand. But I was so tickled *pink* when I saw so many of my gowns 'walking' around on site! It was such a kick! This summer I'm going to try and start on a new corset and the toile for my tudor. Slán go fóill Emer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays > Susan wrote: > > >>What's everyone else doing? > >> > > > > Trying to clean enough stuff out of my fabric storage room so it can be > > used as a bedroom this summer. A difficult task it seems. I am considering > > selling fabric on ebay, if I can figure out how. Does fabric sell? > > From time to time, but I've never been able to get very much for mine. > People want a bargain. You might have better luck setting up a table at > an SCA event where folks can see and touch. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 18:27:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IMRlRM014107 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:27:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IMQ2NX026331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IMQ1I9047095; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:26:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail18.svr.pol.co.uk (mail18.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.67.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IMPjI9046884 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-2788.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.26.228] helo=soton.ac.uk) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BbRni-00063G-GA for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:25:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:29:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002c01c45566$4322dd40$a6abb944@mad.wi.charter.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone tried making a farthingale with willow > caning? > Yep, that's what this mine's done with. Cane is much easier to handle, straighter, more flexible and regular. Go withit! Have you tried stiffening the lower section of the skirt with buckram or something similar to avoid the bowing? There is a period picture of a Dutch (??)camp follower in a distinctly bell-shaped farthingale, though. Don't know if it's online, but it's in R.M. Anderson's Hispanic Costume book. The other period alternative is a rope made of bents - fine rushes or grasses. Possibly raffia would work, like making braids for hats, if it's thick enough. What is your skirt fabric made of? Katheryne - Was your 'where' for the country, or the location of the museum in Northampton :)? http://www.northampton.gov.uk/museums/collections/boot_and_shoe for all info. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 19:02:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IN2kRM014324 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:02:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IN0jNX001627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IN0eI9072200; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:00:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IN0bI9072117 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10558 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:03:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:03:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been contacted by a literature scholar who would like some input on an image from a costume standpoint. I've given her my own thoughts, but I'd like to hear from others as well, particularly as I'm hoping someone may be able to identify some curious details. The image is a woodcut done in 1920 by Edmund Dulac, to illustrate a work by Yeats. It is meant to be a "portrait" of a character named Giraldus or Gyraldus. It is clearly done in a pseudo-medieval style. The scholar who contacted me is trying to get a sense of what Dulac, the artist, had in mind and was trying to evoke in creating a period-looking image -- in particular, what his sources for the image might have been (for instance, was he copying some elements from a real period portrait?) or how he developed his sense of what looked "historic." In particular, she wants to know what period he's trying to suggest with the image, and what details in the picture might suggest that period. There isn't much to go on in the picture, but there are some interesting details in the costume, one of which I do not recall seeing in any period source, but which may be out there somewhere -- either in a period source I don't know about, or in a modern costume reference that presents it as historic. I'll reserve my own opinions till I've heard from others, as I don't want to put the responses in any particular direction. There is a small version of the picture here (ignore the photo; the illustration is just below): http://www.art.man.ac.uk/english/student/claire_nally/index.htm --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 19:19:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5INJ1RM014410 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:19:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INHTNX004498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INHMI9084313; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INHHI9084276 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BbSbj-0005uY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:17:15 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:17:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c4558a$68531660$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin, it reminds me of many of the representations of biblical scenes (especially the three magi-). I ran across one the other day on http://www.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/ The search feature is rather cumbersome, but give me a minute and I will send you an example of what I mean. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 19:45:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5INj5RM014673 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INgeNX009802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INgbI9001412; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INgYI9001381 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.94]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5INgPlN003885 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:42:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040618162048.01840cf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:42:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The image is a woodcut done in 1920 by Edmund Dulac, to illustrate a work >by Yeats. It is meant to be a "portrait" of a character named Giraldus or >Gyraldus. It is clearly done in a pseudo-medieval style. The scholar who >contacted me is trying to get a sense of what Dulac, the artist, had in >mind and was trying to evoke in creating a period-looking image -- in >particular, what his sources for the image might have been (for instance, >was he copying some elements from a real period portrait?) or how he >developed his sense of what looked "historic." In particular, she wants to >know what period he's trying to suggest with the image, and what details >in the picture might suggest that period. > >There isn't much to go on in the picture, but there are some interesting >details in the costume, one of which I do not recall seeing in any period >source, but which may be out there somewhere -- either in a period source >I don't know about, or in a modern costume reference that presents it as >historic. I'll reserve my own opinions till I've heard from others, as I >don't want to put the responses in any particular direction. The costume is probably supposed to be Turkish, judging from the turban plus center front garment fastenings. There's a costume from a similar period and country in 20,000 Years Of Fashion, IIRC, and also done by a European but not a woodcut. Look also in Dover's reprint of Vecellio's costume book from the late 1500s or early 1600s, where some Turks in their native costumes are pictured, by an Italian. The style is very much that of woodcuts in the 1500s. Dulac has captured the late-Medieval - early Renaissance woodcut style pretty well, these being more like linoleum blocks than like etchings, which are typical of later (think Rembrandt). The hatching for shading, and the lines delineating Dulac's face, are very much in this woodcut style. (Are we sure Dulac created this one, or did he re-use a period one?) Look in Dover's two-volume History of Woodcut or in Dover's Complete Woodcuts of Albrecht Durer to get a feel for the period style and the level of detail present in some of the better period examples. (I can't help thinking Dulac may have stolen the face, and details, from a period woodcut, because I get the impression I've seen this guy somewhere before. He looks like a shifty-eyed Bad Guy.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 19:50:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5INoPRM014684 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INnjNX011074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INnhI9005920; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5INnfI9005896 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BbT77-0005IS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:49:41 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:49:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c4558e$efea1930$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Of course I can't find the one I was thinking of, but you can see in these where the suggestion for the hat and jacket may have come from. There are lots more to look. If you need help navigating, let me know. Sg http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7001109.JPG http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/3000017-02.JPG http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7001655.JPG http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7001231.JPG http://www.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/realonline/ http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7003591.JPG http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7006440.JPG http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7001304.JPG _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 20:11:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J0BiRM014892 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0BANX016032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0B8I9019134; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0B5I9019053 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.20.2c455dd7 (16633) for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:10:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <20.2c455dd7.2e04de91@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:10:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/18/04 6:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: The scholar who contacted me is trying to get a sense of what Dulac, the artist, had in mind and was trying to evoke in creating a period-looking image Isn't Dulac the kingdom where the bad guy lives in the first Shrek movie??? ::great big smile:: On a more serious note, the engraving seems to me to be seriously at odds with the topics discussed on the site. It's extremely stylized and details are very exaggerated, in a way that was not (to my knowledge) seen in medieval art or representations. The holding of the scroll is definitely medieval or renaissance in flavor. The odd frog-style closures on the vest/jerkin and the cord holding on the cloak seem to evoke an earlier time period, but the turban style headwear is totally out there from anything I've ever seen relating to medieval Europe. I don't know. I'm having a hard time fitting that in with a discussion of the Irish national identity, but I may just be misunderstanding the entire thing. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 20:15:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J0FbRM014998 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:15:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0F6NX016405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0F3I9021269; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0F1I9021211 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1ce.23f1a63d (16633) for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <1ce.23f1a63d.2e04df78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:14:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/18/04 7:12:15 PM Central Daylight Time, Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com writes: It's extremely stylized and details are very exaggerated, in a way that was not (to my knowledge) seen in medieval art or representations. In re-reading this, I wanted to clarify - I did not mean to say that medieval art was not stylized or exaggerated in different ways. I meant that within the context of the website that it was posted on, discussing the Irish national identity, I'm having a hard time fitting this image in. Again, I may just be totally missing the connecting dots. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 20:25:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J0PGRM015076 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0OYNX017050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0OBI9026159; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0O9I9026135 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from bridgett.cornell.edu (syr-24-58-121-78.twcny.rr.com [24.58.121.78]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i5J0O6s4023520 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040618194329.01956dc8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:27:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mari Stewart Subject: [PMX:###] Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.101390, Antispam-Data: 2004.6.18.104454 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=XXXXXXXXII, Probability=82%, Report='URI_CLASS_UNCLASSIFIED_DOMAIN 8, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.001, __EUDORA_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __EUDORA_MUA 0, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __EVITE_CTYPE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, IN_REP_TO 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks. First off - there is a better image at http://www.yeatsvision.com/Gyraldus.html IMO the image is devoid of any firm clue that could favor one period over another. Yeats never fully defines Gyraldus in his work, and other than one mention to the book of Gyraldus being printed in 1594 places no date with the fictional author. Yeats even goes on, further in the story, to muddy the water of just who this character was. I think, if Yeats had any contact with the artist of the image, that he also requested such a medievil-oid generic rendering. Historically there are several Geraldus/Giraldus figures who were authors or translators from the 10th - 16th centuries. He could be representing all of them, or none of them. But, as to my opinion of what the image shows... here are some quick notes. the detail of the wood block is depicted as crude and heavy. That would place it quite early 1450s perhaps. And also place it in Germany or related regions. That physical location could be bolstered by the arguement that the sitter wears a fur lined coat -Ala the Hungarian coats of the vonKaunitz find. and the depiction of a man in Chinese dress by Rubens in 1617. http://user.chollian.net/~boonstra/korea/korubens.jpg Jesuit in Chinese Clothes http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/r/rembran/painting/portrai3/old_man.jpg Again showing Eastern Influences There is a horizontal line across the front of the figures chest. Could it be an ornament a necklace? Could it be functional - holding the two sides of the coat together Is it the depiction of the border between the shirt and the doublet (a low rise doublet - similar to Germanic styles) Also there is the closure method for the front of the (doublet) which uses loops (of fabric or braid or yarn) to fasten to buttons. The buttons May be depicted as knotted. Overall it gives a sense of Eastern European or Oriental influences. And of course... a turban or head wrap. The folds at the side of the head wrap make me think turban and folds of cloth arranged, not a chaperon. So again... later 1450+ with Eastern Europe flavor. Good, now I get to read everyone elses replies. Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 20:35:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J0ZURM015169 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:35:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0XnNX017733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0XiI9031731; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J0XfIA031706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5J0WT2x028783 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:32:29 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D389E1.7080401@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:33:37 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image References: <4.1.20040618162048.01840cf0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040618162048.01840cf0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > The costume is probably supposed to be Turkish, judging from the turban > plus center front garment fastenings. I'm with you. He's either actually Turkish/Arabian, such as were often portrayed as "the bad situation before Christ showed up" or sometimes "The nearly enlightened old Biblical Heroes." However, the face is very unflattering. He's an eeeevil Turk. The eye, the pinched nose -- he's shrewd, maybe grasping. Educated (the scroll) but bad. I also agree with Tiffany's question: is your correspondant 100% certain the work is original (not a Turk at all?) On the European front, the hat could be a version of the rolled-up hood. In fact, those random bits on top are more characteristic of a hood than of a traditional turban, which doesn't have any free ends up there, as far as I know. Here's an online collection of medieval woodcut images: http://www.godecookery.com/clipart/clart.htm -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 18 21:07:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J17BRM015360 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J16aNX019510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J16UI9049188; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5J16SI9049157 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-6077); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:04:23 -0700 Received: from unknown (66.205.128.60) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:04:23 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20040618175730.011c2628@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:06:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays In-Reply-To: <002c01c45566$4322dd40$a6abb944@mad.wi.charter.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-74 ip=66.205.128.60 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:58 PM 6/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Well, right now I'm wrestling with a new corded petticoat (Eliz). I thought >I was being clever by putting a basket caning in the lower-most casing to >give it a bit of oomph, and that looks great by itself or with a lightweight >underskirt, but when I put a heavier overskirt on, it tends to bow in about >knee level and then stick out. :-P I have a feeling I'm going to have to >either cane the whole thing (ugh) or take the cane out of the bottom, which >will screw up the length of all the skirts I made......why is it that >whenever I try to make things better, I only make them worse?!?!?!?! > >I hate working with hoopsteel, so I was looking for a substitute that would >be lightweight somewhat washable to boot (just would need to take that one >piece of cane out). Has anyone tried making a farthingale with willow >caning? > >Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreicated......I'm going for a >nice, respectable merchant-class look, rather like the Wedding at Bermondsy. > >********************** >Rebecca Schmitt Well, as you found out, one hoop at the bottom does not work with heavy skirts. You will probably need hoops from at least your knee down to the hem, but one every three or four inches might work out. The strength of the hoop steels (real ones, not the lumber strapping, which is really heavy) is worth it. My farthingale has about six hoops from several inches below my backside down to the hem, about 3-4 inches apart, and has held up my rather heavy skirts very nicely. And I can flex my skirts as needed (I have actually driven in full gear). Just get hoop steels that are about 2 feet longer than the casings and overlap them in the casings. While mine do sometimes try to wander out of their casings, I like having them removable so I can occasionally wash the farthingale. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 00:02:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J42mRM016413 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:02:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J41xNX029357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J41fI9039733; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J41dI9039696 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.164]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040619040117.MZGV3387.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:01:17 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c455b2$118b54a0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c4558e$efea1930$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:01:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would suggest more of a Eastern Europe influence than Turkish or Persian, from what I have found in my research over the years, Turkish and Persian coats do not have collars like the one you see on his overcoat. I would say that this is more of a European flavoured woodcut. His turban also seems more of a European hybrid, more hat than head wrap, even allowing for artistic license. Turbans are usually much smoother. To place a time for it, I'm definitely no expert, but the 1400's would not seem unreasonable to me, his overcoat reminds me of a houppeland, and the hat looks more to me like one of those later period stylized liripipes. Just my two uneducated bits. :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 00:15:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J4FhRM016437 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J4FBNX029874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J4F9I9046150; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J4F6I9046104 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.164]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040619041447.TUIL28685.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:14:47 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c455b3$f37bcba0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c4558e$efea1930$6a01a8c0@SG01> <006001c455b2$118b54a0$cb6afea9@sherry> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:14:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image > I would suggest more of a Eastern Europe influence than Turkish or Persian, > from what I have found in my research over the years, Turkish and Persian > coats do not have collars like the one you see on his overcoat. I would say > that this is more of a European flavoured woodcut. His turban also seems > more of a European hybrid, more hat than head wrap, even allowing for > artistic license. Turbans are usually much smoother. To place a time for it, > I'm definitely no expert, but the 1400's would not seem unreasonable to me, > his overcoat reminds me of a houppeland, and the hat looks more to me like > one of those later period stylized liripipes. > > Just my two uneducated bits. :-) > > Sheridan > Also, this thought just occurred to me, at the time this wood cut was done (1920's ?) Orientalism in art was still very popular as was Art Nouveau which favored all things 'Medieval' which from what I have seen tends towards the high middle ages 13-1400's. Very much likely its just a blend of everything that was popular and 'ancient'. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 00:26:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J4QRRM016459 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:26:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J4PqNX000519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J4PoI9051459; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt11.ihug.co.nz (grunt11.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J4PnI9051343 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p32-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.96] by grunt11.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BbXQ8-0003MI-00; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:25:37 +1200 Message-ID: <004801c455b5$7ab57390$60a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b201c45578$8885c0c0$0200a8c0@susan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:25:38 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What's everyone else doing? Erm.. rather too much.. but ok...: Black 1876 ensemble, pleated underskirt, draped overskirt, fitted basque and bolero over the top: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/bella.htm Three guesses as to the main inspiration without reading my text (which no one does anyway;) ) Orange and turquoise kampfrau dress: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/kampfrau.htm Cat not included.. well he does alright on a leash, but not in crowds. Black schaube: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/schaube.htm Using the Verney surcoat as a basis for cut as it was very similar to what I thought I could cut from minimal fabric. Not started but preparing for: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm I've just tested some sleeve patterns, not terribly happy with how they are working, but it probably has a lot to do with how the fabric is too light, I think Elizabeth's are weighted. I think I may wind up using other portraits for the shape. They may be the same after all. Eowyn's Funeral gown from LotR but cut in a way that I'll have a gollar and a gown I can alter to be either a late 15thC gown or mid sixteenth century gown. As well as another skirt for under various garments. Headdress for my cleves gown, using portraits by Bathyl Bruyn to figure out just what elements to use. Pink 1560s gown: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/threegowns.jpg I made the other two, so this one is about due to be made. Oh and my bridesmaid dress at some stage.... As well as few more pages for my frazzled frau pages (based on work I have been doing on my garb now) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 04:15:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J8FQRM011257 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J85OvV001348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J6GhI9003815; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:16:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J6GgI9003807 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.57.234.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.57.234] helo=HELENPINTO) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BbZ9d-0004mD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c455c4$f4d46e10$ea399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:16:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9efd6f57e936aa9c340e66444a94917b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here goes. My first quick impression was that it reminded me of the famous portrait of Vlad "the Impaler" Tepes. On second glance, it looked Turkish- the turban, of course, and the closing of the under-robe. There are also similar clothes from eastern Europe in the 16th c., ie Hungary; but of course, no turban. The whole outfit also reminded me of that Orientalist at-home wear adopted by English gentlemen in the 18th c. The top coat, however, looks very Tudor- open in the front with the broad spread collar. Too bad that's all the artist showed. Now the pose is something else. It's a classic portrait pose from Italy and northern Europe from the very late 14th c. up to the early 16th c. Learned men are almost always shown holding a rolled or folded document or a book. Nothing about it is surprising for Dulac; a very large part of his work is in an Orientalist vein. But his facial expression still reminds me of Vlad. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 04:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J8FURM011266 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J85OvX001348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J61AI9096143; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5J618I9096121 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 27229 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 06:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 06:01:30 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1173.24.4.69.40.1087624868.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What's everyone else doing? > I am currently trying to finish a version of this dress: http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?175+0+0 I have loved this dress for years and have been wanting to make it. Now I have the perfect color red silk fabric. I don't normally make an identical reproduction of a dress but it just seemed right for this one. One cool thing that I didn't realize about the dress until I started to study it was that there is piping around the neckline and the sleeve caps. That was something I hadn't done before but it is coming out okay. Next I promised my boyfriend that I would make him a waffenrock out of a really lovely black & gold brocade that we found a couple of years ago. And maybe if I am lucky, I can sneak in a new outfit for Costume College. Maybe an early 1800's to go with the great hat I bought last year.... Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 04:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5J8YpRM011357 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:34:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J8YFd5003630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J8YDI9066957; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5J8YCI9066943 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0C82B874 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:34:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p256.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.2]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E5B3C419 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:34:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:34:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had originally planned to not comment as I do not consider myself an expert on this but heres my 2 cents. The hat looks like a liripipe and for some reason I keep thinking Russian or Slav, late 1400s, early 1500s. Arian (going back to the alcove) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 12:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5JGeBRM015002 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JGdOd5024284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JGdII9097079; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JGdFIA097041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@minx.thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JGhdfc013186 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:43:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5JGhcJc013184 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:43:38 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:43:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406191243.38357.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 18 June 2004 02:31 pm, Hilary Davidson wrote: [snip] > What's everyone else doing? Ah, that evil question. :-) Well, since I don't get a "summer vacation" per se (I'm splitting my remaining vacation time between early Sept. and early Oct for personal reasons) there *are* costuming projects I have on tap--once my husband decides if he is, in fact, going to buy me a new sewing machine: A blue wool panova (early Russian overskirt-like garment) A simple linen shift with a keyhole neckline, to wear with the panova or as an undertunic; A green moire ball gown bodice, circa 1885, to match a bustle skirt and overskirt I made recently. Those are the short term projects right now. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 15:02:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5JJ2aRM015679 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:02:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JJ1qd5002158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JJ1jI9070977; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JJ1fI9070918 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([207.6.187.188]) by priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040619190135.SEGQ15734.priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:01:35 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c45630$a33e3b00$bcbb06cf@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:07:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hair net snood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i5JJ2aRM015679 Status: RO Look what I found under a search of hair net. I've been looking for a pattern for a woven snood rather than crochet or sewed. Brin Kendall http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/hairnets/hairnets2.pdf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 18:33:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5JMXDRM016954 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:33:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JMV1d5014315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JMUsI9068763; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn1.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JMUpI9068685 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 720503986; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:30:40 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [142.161.156.228] by mprdmailfe3.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:30:40 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 5645f9e450706be77b66afaa94da0c91 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040619223040.720503986@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:30:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:What will I do on my holidays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't get a "holiday" as such, but next weekend there is to be a Pas D'armes event up here in Winnipeg (Castel Rouge for the SCA-ers) that my husband is autocrating. So between helping him, I've been making new garb for all of us. My four year-old has a new red velvet cotehardie, shirt, brais and hosen and dad made him a helmet. My husband and I also have matching red cotehardies (finished last night), underthings, and I'm just working on his hosen right now. First time I've made hosen, not too bad. I also made him a new gambeson and "neck thingy" (I'm blanking on what it's called) I also made myself a spiffy new hat based on an Italian painting c.1340. It's blue, gold, green and pink velvet. I'm carrying a copy of the painting with me to prove I didn't make it up. I have to make a wimple and veil yet, I found the most exquisite silk gauze at dharmatrading.com. Thank you to whoever told me about them. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 20:04:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K04VRM018086 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K040d5019258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K03vI9010462; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web60305.mail.yahoo.com (web60305.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5K03uI9010397 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anotherthurman@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040620000348.54920.qmail@web60305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.140.34.164] by web60305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:03:48 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Allison Thurman To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406191801.i5JI1fIB040477@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Schaube? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:25:38 +1200 From: "michaela" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <004801c455b5$7ab57390$60a176cb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What's everyone else doing? Erm.. rather too much.. but ok...: Black schaube: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/schaube.htm Using the Verney surcoat as a basis for cut as it was very similar to what I thought I could cut from minimal fabric. What exactly is a schaube? I've never heard the word before. The pictures look like a loose gown, or academic robe, but it's hard to see detail. All of these look wonderful, btw!! However do you find the time?? Allison T. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 20:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K0vnRM018284 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:57:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K0u0d5021880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K0twI9032409; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:55:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from citrine.spiritone.com (citrine.spiritone.com [216.99.193.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K0ttIA032381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by citrine.spiritone.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5K0tpBJ023190 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:55:52 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Schaube? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:02:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040620000348.54920.qmail@web60305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I first met up with the word Schaube when looking at German Costume books. Given the spelling of sch... I suspect it probably had its Genesis there, and was taken up as a very warm and dignified outer garment by the upper classes. It certainly does have a lot of surface area perfect for displaying elegant brocades or wools and spiff fur linings! Regina > Black schaube: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/schaube.htm > Using the Verney surcoat as a basis for cut as it was very > similar to what I > thought I could cut from minimal fabric. > > > > > > What exactly is a schaube? I've never heard the word before. The > pictures look like a loose gown, or academic robe, but it's hard > to see detail. > > All of these look wonderful, btw!! However do you find the time?? > > Allison T. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 21:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K1KSRM018571 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:20:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1IWd5022972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1ISI9041977; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1IPI9041917 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.b4.2d85897d (17079) for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:18:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:18:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Schaube? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/19/2004 8:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, wandap@hevanet.com writes: > What exactly is a schaube? It's a usually short loose over gown of the early Renaissance. Henry VIII wears one a lot. It often is lined or has a collar of fur and elaborate paned and decorated pouffy sleeves. It will sometimes match the doublet under it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 21:29:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K1TTRM018609 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1SSd5023479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1SRI9046300; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5K1SPI9046262 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:28:14 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:28:14 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin, Here is one example of what I mean, I can't seem to find the one I was thinking of... http://www.donlinke.com/images/Vlad/Vlad_woodcut-x.jpg Oh, and after a glance at what Claire actually had to say, the occult connection with Vlad Dracul make a reasonable amount of sense too. Cheers, Danielle Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 21:39:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K1dIRM018689 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1cjd5024043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1cdI9050677; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5K1ccI9050634 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:38:12 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:38:12 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.66 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or, there is the long forgotten H-Costume Swap & Sell in Yahoo Groups. It would be nice to resurrect that poor thing. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >> What's everyone else doing? >> > Trying to clean enough stuff out of my fabric storage room so it can be >used as a bedroom this summer. A difficult task it seems. I am considering >selling fabric on ebay, if I can figure out how. Does fabric sell? > >Susan in Bellevue > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 19 21:45:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K1jCRM018756 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:45:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1hMd5024306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1hLI9052798; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt9.ihug.co.nz (grunt9.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K1hKI9052690 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p63-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.63] by grunt9.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BbrMJ-0004M2-00; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:43:04 +1200 Message-ID: <001701c45667$d9023fc0$3fd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040620000348.54920.qmail@web60305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Schaube? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:42:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Black schaube: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/schaube.htm > Using the Verney surcoat as a basis for cut as it was very similar to what I > thought I could cut from minimal fabric. > What exactly is a schaube? I've never heard the word before. The pictures look like a loose gown, or academic robe, but it's hard to see detail. Pretty much that's what it is;) Schaube oin this context is a catchall phrase for the loose surcoat worn at the start of the 16thC and had it's origins int he 15thC. I think in Germany it was still called that, as someone who is working on her late 15thC German wardrobe is making one as well. There are a variety of styles, sleeved, non sleeved, lined unlined.. (the unlined seem to be earlier. If they are lined it's not in fur anyway;) ) And yes, they are the decentdant of academic dress. But scholars robes inthe 16thC seem to have gone by a different name. In this instance I suspect we can trust Kohler as he was talking baout clothing history of his own area;) Not all were upper class. In the Ausberg panels there are women in the market place wearing Schaubes and they are more likely to be middle class;) That is another project;) Getting all the images I have up on Frazzled Frau as not many people know of this outerwear for women. There are some coincidentally up already: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1512cranlucre.htm http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1535cranlucretia.htm http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/kurzweil/dez6.htm "Augsburger Bürgerin mit heller pelzverbrämter Schaube" http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/kurzweil/feb2.htm Women in the top image bottom right over it. One in sleeveless one in sleeved. One in a cloak like wrap (fastens at neck and no arm holes/sleeves. http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/kurzweil/feb6.htm The cloak type garment and another who is hard to see, but it looks open at the upper chest so might be a schaube. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1551krellanna.htm This may be a development into a later surcoat style, see the even revers all the way down? No collar. http://mellott_fleming.tripod.com/schaub-name.html http://myra.hem.nu/costume/DressDairies/Schaube/Schaube_Documentation.htm Myra's documentation for the early schaube It's a very wonderfully warm and snuggly garment, it really is. I wear mine most of the time now;) It doesn't get as many looks as my International Warning Orange coat anyway;) > All of these look wonderful, btw!! However do you find the time?? Honestly? I don't know I shouldn't be do any of this actually. Not if I want to preserve my wrists for the future, but well... life changes so rapidly, it already has so I'm going to do what I can when I can;) Luckily having got some very simple pattern shapes sorted it means I can rip though my clothing rather rapidly now. Excpet I do need big rest breaks between;) I just updated my Valois diary actually;) I've got my belt base done, and all the text fromt he last three months uploaded. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 00:52:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K4qYRM020395 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K4prd5004922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K4pkI9033232; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K4pjI9033220 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l234b.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.139] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BbuIy-0006Cm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:51:44 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040619093205.021f3a48@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:32:46 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200406190025.i5J0P9IA026791@net.indra.com> References: <200406190025.i5J0P9IA026791@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Patton Tank Corps Uniform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, everyone. I'm planning on making a reproduction of the tank corps uniform designed by General Patton when he was commander of the Tank Corps. It is commonly called the Green Hornet uniform. I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding information and photographs of the uniform. I have contacted the Patton museum at Fort Knox and have received a digital photo of the uniform in its display case. However it is quite faded. And of course I need additional information including fabrics, original colors, linings and all the usual details. So far web searches have turned up little and the books on Patton I have, have little more than a mention of the uniform's existence. I would appreciate any information or pointers anyone may have to this uniform. Thanks Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 01:26:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K5QTRM020783 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:26:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5Pxd5006800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:25:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5PrI9046490; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5PpI9046453 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19258 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:28:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:28:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Or, there is the long forgotten H-Costume Swap & Sell in Yahoo Groups. > It would be nice to resurrect that poor thing. Actually, it's not on Yahoo, but on CommunityZero, and I think that's one reason it didn't catch on; it required people to learn yet another interface. I sold some fabric there ages ago, when it first started up. I've just tried my bookmarked link and got a group-not-found note, so perhaps it was closed for lack of activity. Yahoogroups would be easier, particularly since it sends out emails (as a list) and you don't have to go to a website to hunt up announcements, but it also has a place where people can post pictures, which is helpful when you want to show off your fabric. Perhaps the easiest thing would be for those of us interested in buying and selling to go sign up at the already existing garb4sale group at Yahoo. I've been on it for some time. There are 353 members, so your notices go out to a large number. However, it's very low-traffic, and the only posts are announcements of costuming stuff for sale. Some people just post notices that they have ebay auctions up; others offer the items directly for sale or trade. To sign up, go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garb4sale/ Reading the description there, I see this is technically an SCA-spinoff group and therefore limited to medieval/Renaissance, but fabric is fabric, and I can't imagine them tossing out anyone who wants to sell/buy, unless you try to sell finished costumes from a post-Renaissance period. If enough people want to do that, we should set up an hcost supplemental group for sale/trade of fabric, books, clothes, etc. --Robin who needs to do another clearance of the fabric stash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 01:39:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K5dTRM020896 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:39:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5csd5007337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5csI9051546; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5c1I9051222 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.177]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i5K5a7aE028463 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:36:20 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c45688$82402780$b190d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200406181457.AA28246114@thrednedlestrete.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:46:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 5:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings > I'm making some 16th century smocks including one of the type that was under discussion under gathered necklines. I'm gathering my smock onto an embroidered band, no gathering string. Does anyone know of any evidence that these neckbindings have been cut on the bias. My assumption is that they would not due to conserving precious fabric, but I bet the neckline would lie better on a bias cut. > > Any thoughts? > > Lisa Sinervo Actually I was discussing this topic with somebody who does German about a month ago, she says it works really well if you actually cut your binding in the shape you want the finished neckline to be (which to remain concealed beneath a square neckline means 4 strips of fabric with mitred corners) and cutting it on the straight is probably more period not only because it uses more fabric but because you don't want it to stretch around corners, you want it to stay straight to make a nice square so it sits neatly under a square neckline. Unfortunately I can't speak from experience because I took the shortcut of using a drawstring when I made my gathered chemise. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 01:39:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5K5doRM020899 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:39:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5c6d5007320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5c5I9051264; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K5c1I9051133 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:38:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.177]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i5K5a7aC028463 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:36:13 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c45688$7c8ef0a0$b190d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:34:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What's everyone else doing? Well even though it's a winter break I still get nearly a month off so I've planned blackworked cuffs for my Tudor (they will be removable so I can still throw the chemise in the washing machine without damaging my embroidery) fitting a 19th century corset, then refitting an 1840s ballgown as it was my year 12 formal, (AKA Prom) dress and the only underpinnings I wore was a strapless bra, so now that I have somewhere to wear 19th century stuff I decided I'd pull it out of the wardrobe and take it in (as I've lost weight and I'm wearing a corset). Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in ,their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566) Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 08:44:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KCi3RM003428 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KChOd5026322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KChCI9006019; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5KChBI9005933 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrtcyX8izIAqD6wBKNPqnoTS/eXfEhgM+Q== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JYKQB2HJ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:42:34 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:46:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patton Tank Corps Uniform Message-ID: <20040620.074637.-709671.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have forwarded this question to my boyfriend who is not only a former tank commander , but is a historic uniform buff (WWII) and has had extensive experience at the Patton Museum. Hopefully he will have some resources for you. Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 09:01:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KD1IRM003555 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:01:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KCxnd5027073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KCxmI9011795; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KCxkI9011786 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:59:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bc1vG-0001nc-00; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:59:46 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: , "Theresa Nesser" , Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:59:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c456c6$7c6c6b50$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A ''new'' portrait of Mary Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i5KD1IRM003555 Status: RO http://titan.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7015113.JPG Thought some of you might be interested in this portrait. It was new to me. It may be a copy, but interesting none the less. Kunstwerk: Deckfarbenmalerei ; Porträtbuch des Hieronymus Beck von Leopoldsdorf ; Wien Dokumentation: 1575 ; 1585 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Kunsthistorisches Museum ; IN 9691 ; fol.547 Anmerkungen: 275x180 ; Ebreichsdorf ; Heinz 1975,165-310 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 09:13:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KDDDRM003715 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:13:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KDCfd5027609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KDCeI9016590; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KDCbI9016574 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from casamai@sbcglobal.net) Received: from casamai (ppp-65-69-53-113.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [65.69.53.113]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5KDCaHI005890 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001e01c456c8$b14d5620$0a01a8c0@sbcglobal.net> From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c45630$a33e3b00$bcbb06cf@bc.hsia.telus.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:15:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for Roman-Britain sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for information about 1st century CE British clothing/textiles/dyes for a project. Specifically, I'm looking to recreate (as close to authentically as possible) Boudicca who lived around 40-60 CE in eastern Britain during the Roman occupation. I know there is a paucity of information out there and this project will take considerable digging and time but I thought I'd start by asking if anyone here could point me in the right direction for source material. Any and all tips would be appreciated; I've got a fairly generous amount of time in which to accomplish this but know it wil be research intensive (the actual construction time will be negligible, I suspect). Thanks, Nora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 10:13:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KEDDRM004221 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KECdd5029947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KECaI9038930; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5KECYI9038870 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OlsLS+DrpDl4x22wClnMRnU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JYKVE459; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:11:38 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:04:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Message-ID: <20040620.071131.1728.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What's everyone else doing? Relearning needlpoint and hopefully learning petit point too. Bought a yard of needlepoint canvas so I'll have plenty of room to make mistakes. ;) Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 11:19:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KFJNRM004489 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:19:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KFIqd5002972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KFInI9064562; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web60409.mail.yahoo.com (web60409.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5KFIlI9064510 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from christclaridge@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040620151842.69362.qmail@web60409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.67.67] by web60409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:18:42 BST Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:18:42 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christina=20Claridge?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406201313.i5KDDUIB016863@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Patton tank uniform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, >I'm planning on making a reproduction of the tank >corps uniform I assume that this would be a WWII uniform. You might want to try Osprey Publishing, who publish guides to uniforms, troops, and battles. Their books all have large numbers of photographs and illustrations. http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=S5546~ser=WAR~per=2 The other source to try is the Imperial War Museum, who have an image collection. It was due to be digitized, but I don't know what stage they are at with that. They have photos of just about everything; I am sure that that would include American tank drivers. Of course, getting it might be more difficult due to copyright, but it's worth a try. The staff are great, anyway, and conidering the rest of their collection, they might have one folded away in a storeroom somewhere. Anyway, good luck, Chris ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 11:54:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KFsYRM004790 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:54:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KFs2d5004990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KFrsI9079000; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KFrpI9078945 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1df.23760ad5 (16633) for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.23760ad5.2e070d07@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:53:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] A ''new'' portrait of Mary Tudor To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/04 8:00:41 AM Central Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: Thought some of you might be interested in this portrait. It was new to me. It may be a copy, but interesting none the less. It looks to me like a rather bad copy of this portrait: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/mary1.html which is documented to have been painted during the queen's lifetime. -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 14:41:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KIfrRM005929 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:41:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KIe0d5013983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KIdtI9050441; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com (outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5KIdrI9050384 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail16.nyc.untd.com [10.140.30.158]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAPMYQUAKZUBAS for (sender ); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrtcyX8izIAqYL3H8wLsy20JxQ3bOssvQQ== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail16.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JYLCQSSJ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:39:04 PDT Received: from [4.158.246.239] by webmail16.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:38:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.246.239] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:38:40 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040620.113904.11894.11662@webmail16.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2682673267 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 'Green Hornet' Uniform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's the word from my boyfriend, who has actually seent he thing up close and personal. IIRC...the jacket at the Patton isn't faded at all. It's been protected for years, under museum lighting and in enclosed cabinetry. My guess is that the colors may have been washed out by the flash on the camera. It's fortunate the museum still has it--it's a one-of-a-kind prototype, and few surviving pictures exist of it (I can think of only one, with Patton wearing it). Now, what else do I remember of it...Colonel Patton was clearly going for something that strongly resembled a classic British or German lancer/hussar tunic. However, the US Cavalry had never worn anything that was so identifiably European in look...and died stillborn as a result. The Green Hornet name hung on the effort, after all, came from the troops. The uniform, as I recall Patton's intent, consisted of the helmet, tunic, cavalry breeches, and riding boots. Headgear: Gold-painted football helmet, unmodified, from the period. I gather that some sort of radio gear would've been added over time, as vehicle intercoms improved--but this one remains unmodified. The tunic: A forest green fabric, possibly a denim, possibly a light wool...this was intended to be worn on the vehicle as well as off. It has the plastron front of a Lancer-style tunic, and uses the standard gold Service Dress buttons from the period. I want to say the the jacket has narrow piping applied around the front (cavalry yellow?); however, it must be noted that I haven't seen the actualy jacket since my last visit there in 1993 (I was attending the Armor Officer Advanced Course at Ft Knox, the Patton Museum's home) Breeches: I believe that the standard-pattern cavalry breeches of the period were worn with the tunic. I have no info as to wheter they were the tan or forest green. Boots: The russet-brown, lace-up riding boots of the 1931 pattern. I doubt that new belts for sidearms, spare ammunition, field gear, etc would've been authorized...thus, the russet-brown waist belt, russet-brown Sam Browne belt, or khaki webbed belt would likely have been worn, depending on rank and type of duty. The best single source for illustrations of the boots, belts, etc, I can think of is The Horse Soldier 1776-1943 (The United States Cavalryman: His Uniforms, Accoutrements, and Equipments), Volume IV, World War I, the Peacetime Army, World War II 1917-1943 by written and illustrated by Randy Steffen, 1979, University of Oklahoma press (and is still available, softbound). You won't find the Green Hornet here--it was never seriously considered by the Army uniform board--but you'll find the details you need to complete it. On a historical note: George Patton only had command of the Tank Corps, such as it was (a temporary, wartime setup which Congress disestablished in 1920), in France during WWI. At the time he held the temporary (wartime) rank of Colonel. This uniform dates to the 1930's, and is a reminder that Patton was a career Cavalry officer. And the grips on his pistols (a .38 and a .357) are ivory, not pearl--"...pearl is good for a New Orleans pimp...". The pearl business seems to have come from a reporter writing an early feature piece on him and never thought to actually ask someone. Those, I've actually held... ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 19:14:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KNEDRM006907 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNDSd5027887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNDAI9065754; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KND7I9065694 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from bridgett.cornell.edu (syr-24-58-121-78.twcny.rr.com [24.58.121.78]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i5KND1do011413 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040620191343.00bb9368@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:16:01 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mari Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings In-Reply-To: <000501c45688$82402780$b190d6cb@ewalpole> References: <200406181457.AA28246114@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.101390, Antispam-Data: 2004.6.19.104491 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is the way I do my chemises now. I tried it on one flemish "work a day" chemise and the difference in the look and behaviour of the neckline were so improved that I am working on re-doing all my chemises to this method. It's a slog... but everytime I try one on, and I see how well it lays on the body... I keep going on to the next one. Bridgette >cut your binding in >the shape you want the finished neckline to be (which to remain concealed >beneath a square neckline means 4 strips of fabric with mitred corners) and >cutting it on the straight is probably more period not only because it uses >more fabric but because you don't want it to stretch around corners, you >want it to stay straight to make a nice square so it sits neatly under a >square neckline. Unfortunately I can't speak from experience because I took >the shortcut of using a drawstring when I made my gathered chemise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 19:27:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KNRdRM006928 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:27:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNR7d5028651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNR6I9071510; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.ettu.net (rrcs-west-65-26-169-212.biz.rr.com [65.26.169.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNR3I9071460 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.ettu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F180C4264B for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <40D61D8A.6030008@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:28:10 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since there may be interest... I've set up a group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ If folks want to use it, fine. Right now the membership is open and it uses the yahoo features for archives and photos. If nobody signs up, it won't hurt my feelings. :) I'm not sure how I feel about ebay ads. If someone has an opinion one way or the other, email me or post to the costumetrader list. I'd like it to be a friendly, useable list. Dawn Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > >>Or, there is the long forgotten H-Costume Swap & Sell in Yahoo Groups. >>It would be nice to resurrect that poor thing. > > > Actually, it's not on Yahoo, but on CommunityZero, and I think that's one > reason it didn't catch on; it required people to learn yet another > interface. I sold some fabric there ages ago, when it first started up. > I've just tried my bookmarked link and got a group-not-found note, so > perhaps it was closed for lack of activity. > > Yahoogroups would be easier, particularly since it sends out emails (as a > list) and you don't have to go to a website to hunt up announcements, but > it also has a place where people can post pictures, which is helpful when > you want to show off your fabric. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garb4sale/ > > Reading the description there, I see this is technically an SCA-spinoff > group and therefore limited to medieval/Renaissance, but fabric is fabric, > and I can't imagine them tossing out anyone who wants to sell/buy, unless > you try to sell finished costumes from a post-Renaissance period. If > enough people want to do that, we should set up an hcost supplemental > group for sale/trade of fabric, books, clothes, etc. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 19:35:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5KNZDRM006945 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:35:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNXRd5028909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KNWmI9073987; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5KNWlI9073939 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:32:23 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:32:23 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.65 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin et al, Actually, after Community Zero went pay I switched it to Yahoo groups and there are some people on the list who are still memebers I believe. Anyway, as I said, H-Costume Swap & Sell is still around if people want to use it. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >Robin Netherton wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >> >> >>>Or, there is the long forgotten H-Costume Swap & Sell in Yahoo Groups. >>>It would be nice to resurrect that poor thing. >> >> >> Actually, it's not on Yahoo, but on CommunityZero, and I think that's one >> reason it didn't catch on; it required people to learn yet another >> interface. I sold some fabric there ages ago, when it first started up. >> I've just tried my bookmarked link and got a group-not-found note, so >> perhaps it was closed for lack of activity. >> >> Yahoogroups would be easier, particularly since it sends out emails (as a >> list) and you don't have to go to a website to hunt up announcements, but >> it also has a place where people can post pictures, which is helpful when >> you want to show off your fabric. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garb4sale/ >> >> Reading the description there, I see this is technically an SCA-spinoff >> group and therefore limited to medieval/Renaissance, but fabric is fabric, >> and I can't imagine them tossing out anyone who wants to sell/buy, unless >> you try to sell finished costumes from a post-Renaissance period. If >> enough people want to do that, we should set up an hcost supplemental >> group for sale/trade of fabric, books, clothes, etc. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 20:29:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L0T4RM007073 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L0RGd5001553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L0R4I9096490; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L0R1I9096442 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24926 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:29:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:29:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Actually, after Community Zero went pay I switched it to Yahoo groups > and there are some people on the list who are still memebers I > believe. Anyway, as I said, H-Costume Swap & Sell is still around if > people want to use it. I didn't know this, and I'm not on the group. What is the exact name? It doesn't appear on a yahoo search. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 21:29:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L1TrRM007274 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:29:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L1TKd5004875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L1THI9022014; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L1TFIA021989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-224.sonic.net [209.148.112.224]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L1TD83012056 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <40D63B0D.1080401@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:34:05 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell References: <40D61D8A.6030008@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <40D61D8A.6030008@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd like a place I can sell a boxful of used (viewed once by me) costume videos I want to deaccess from the personal collection I've been accumulating. Other peoples' tastes may vary. Also I have ended up with unopened duplicates of a couple by mistake. Ebay isn't worth the fees and time for something like a video. At least not to me right now. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > Since there may be interest... > > I've set up a group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ > > If folks want to use it, fine. Right now the membership is open and it > uses the yahoo features for archives and photos. If nobody signs up, > it won't hurt my feelings. :) > > I'm not sure how I feel about ebay ads. If someone has an opinion one > way or the other, email me or post to the costumetrader list. I'd like > it to be a friendly, useable list. > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 21:46:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L1kNRM007336 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:46:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L1jqd5005681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L1jnI9028670; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L1jkI9028653 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-69-3-236-236.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.236.236] helo=[172.16.1.10]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BcDsX-0007QE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:45:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01c456c8$b14d5620$0a01a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <001701c45630$a33e3b00$bcbb06cf@bc.hsia.telus.net> <001e01c456c8$b14d5620$0a01a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:41:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Roman-Britain sources Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i5L1jkI9028653 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:15 AM -0500 6/20/04, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote: >I'm looking for information about 1st century CE British >clothing/textiles/dyes for a project. Specifically, I'm looking to recreate >(as close to authentically as possible) Boudicca who lived around 40-60 CE >in eastern Britain during the Roman occupation. > >I know there is a paucity of information out there and this project will >take considerable digging and time but I thought I'd start by asking if >anyone here could point me in the right direction for source material. > >Any and all tips would be appreciated; I've got a fairly generous amount of >time in which to accomplish this but know it wil be research intensive (the >actual construction time will be negligible, I suspect). I can give you a bibliography-dump with no guarantees of even or complete coverage. These are either general works on Roman-era clothing and accessories or works specifically focusing on Britain. I've got a lot of other stuff on Roman-era material from other regions, which I could add if you're interested. Heather ===================================== Guido, Margaret. 1978. Glass Beads of the Prehistoric and Roman Periods in Britain and Ireland. Thames & Hudson, London. ISBN 0-500-99026-3 Johns, Catherine. 1996. Jewellery of Roman Britain. Univ of Michigan Press, Ann Arbor. ISBN 0-472-10766-6 Rogers, Penelope Walton, Lise Bender Jørgensen & Antoinette Rast-Eicher. 2001. Roman Textile Industry and its Influence. Oxbow Books, Oxford. ISBN 1-84217-046-5 Wild, J.P. 1970. Textile Manufacture in the Northern Roman Provinces. Cambridge University Press. SBN 521-07491-6 Croom, A.T. 2000. Roman Clothing and Fashion. Tempus Publishing, Inc., Charleston. ISBN 0-7524-1469-0 Sebesta, Judith Lynn & Larissa Bonfante eds.. 2001. World of Roman Costume. University of Wisconsin Press, Madicon. ISBN 0-299-13854-2 Wild, John Peter. 1975. "Roman Textiles from the Walbrook (London)" in Germania: 53:138-143. -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 20 22:02:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L22YRM007387 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:02:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L20nd5006749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L20jI9035015; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:00:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L20gI9034866 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:00:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0C51AB00CA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:58:29 -0500 Received: from MOM [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0AF4690228; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c45733$70b97f10$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Online Costume Classes for Summer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i5L22YRM007387 Status: RO I wanted to remind people that we have several online costume classes this summer at the Costume Classroom, http://www.costumeclassroom.com . Six classes will open Monday, June 21. 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Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 00:53:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L4rjRM008082 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:53:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L4qtd5015756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L4qlI9008750; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5L4qjI9008676 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:52:29 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:52:29 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.65 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, You should be able to find it under swapsell. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > >> Actually, after Community Zero went pay I switched it to Yahoo groups >> and there are some people on the list who are still memebers I >> believe. Anyway, as I said, H-Costume Swap & Sell is still around if >> people want to use it. > >I didn't know this, and I'm not on the group. What is the exact name? It >doesn't appear on a yahoo search. > >--Robin Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 00:56:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L4ulRM008089 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:56:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L4swd5015837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L4swI9009664; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes2.whowhere.com [209.202.220.219]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5L4s0I9009215 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:53:43 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:53:43 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell X-Sender-Ip: 130.88.96.65 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can also sell those on the swap & sell if you like, since it is free - private transactions between individuals. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- >I'd like a place I can sell a boxful of used (viewed once by me) costume >videos I want to deaccess from the personal collection I've been >accumulating. Other peoples' tastes may vary. Also I have ended up >with unopened duplicates of a couple by mistake. Ebay isn't worth the >fees and time for something like a video. At least not to me right now. > >Fran >Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns >http://www.lavoltapress.com > >Dawn wrote: > >> Since there may be interest... >> >> I've set up a group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ >> >> If folks want to use it, fine. Right now the membership is open and it >> uses the yahoo features for archives and photos. If nobody signs up, >> it won't hurt my feelings. :) >> >> I'm not sure how I feel about ebay ads. If someone has an opinion one >> way or the other, email me or post to the costumetrader list. I'd like >> it to be a friendly, useable list. >> >> >> Dawn Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 01:05:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L55IRM008101 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L54od5016204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L54hI9013776; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L54cI9013753 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26345 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:07:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:07:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > You should be able to find it under swapsell. Oddly, it doesn't come up on a search, but it's accessible if you put the name directly into the usual formula: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 01:20:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L5KKRM008127 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:20:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L5Jnd5016869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L5JkI9019992; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L5JiIA019976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-115.sonic.net [209.148.112.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5L5JgXV030047 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:19:43 -0700 Message-ID: <40D67112.9020706@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:24:34 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Costume Swap & Sell References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I may list them, but I hope that more people join the group. Fran Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >You can also sell those on the swap & sell if you like, since it is free - private transactions between individuals. > >Cheers, >Danielle > >--------- Original Message --------- > > >>I'd like a place I can sell a boxful of used (viewed once by me) costume >>videos I want to deaccess from the personal collection I've been >>accumulating. Other peoples' tastes may vary. Also I have ended up >>with unopened duplicates of a couple by mistake. Ebay isn't worth the >>fees and time for something like a video. At least not to me right now. >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >>Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >>Dawn wrote: >> >> >> >>>Since there may be interest... >>> >>>I've set up a group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ >>> >>>If folks want to use it, fine. Right now the membership is open and it >>>uses the yahoo features for archives and photos. If nobody signs up, >>>it won't hurt my feelings. :) >>> >>>I'm not sure how I feel about ebay ads. If someone has an opinion one >>>way or the other, email me or post to the costumetrader list. I'd like >>>it to be a friendly, useable list. >>> >>> >>>Dawn >>> >>> > > >Need a new email address that people can remember >Check out the new EudoraMail at >http://www.eudoramail.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 01:29:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L5T8RM008150 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:29:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L5Sfd5017328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L5SdI9023619; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L5SbI9023599 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.94]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5L5RonB027155 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:28:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040620222030.019814d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:23:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for Roman-Britain sources In-Reply-To: <001e01c456c8$b14d5620$0a01a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <001701c45630$a33e3b00$bcbb06cf@bc.hsia.telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'm looking for information about 1st century CE British >clothing/textiles/dyes for a project. Specifically, I'm looking to recreate >(as close to authentically as possible) Boudicca who lived around 40-60 CE >in eastern Britain during the Roman occupation. There's a group in England who does re-enacting in this period. I think they're the ones who lent repro stuff to the Osprey book on the subject. I don't, of course, remember their name, but I bet whoever they are they have a website. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 04:05:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L85ERM002373 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:05:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L84Sd5025134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L84JI9090723; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L84EI9090646 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:02:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A63F3@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:02:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hilary wrote: >what is everyone planning to start/continue/finish over the summer? Or is anyone going to a new/interesting/unknown place in the name of costume? I'm wrestling with finishing a 13th century kirtle, as well as finishing my lecture on medieval underwear, which both have to be ready for the Medieval Week in Visby (Sweden) in the beginning of August. Is anyone else here going? The autumn project is a 13th/early 14th century surcote. /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 09:56:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LDugRM004210 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:56:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LDu8d5014358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LDu6I9048914; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:56:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LDu3I9048886 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-45-149.jps.net ([209.165.45.149] helo=KALC) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BcPHG-0007X0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:56:03 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <40D6E44D.6090207@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was actually thinking of the curved or round neckline when I wrote this. I haven't found any evidence for a bias cut just straight grain. Boy would I love a trip to England to look at some of those smocks in person!!! Lisa Sinervo www.ThrednedleStrete.com www.Historic-Embroidery.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings I sewed my chemise into a straight on-grain band, and it's quite stable. I didn't miter the corners at all; the extra at the corners folds up easily and doesn't give me any trouble. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 11:51:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LFpNRM004847 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LFj0d5024038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LFiuI9023225; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LFimI9023050 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.33]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040621154437.BBEP10364.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c457a6$9de2f160$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:43:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: A family in need :a request for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all! I hope no-one minds that I have forwarded this to the list, but I thought if there is anyone here who is in the area of British Columbia, Canada, you might be able to help or know someone who can. Thanks Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lady Eleonore" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: [MW] A family in need :a request for help > A few nights ago an SCA family lost their home and possesions to a fire.Nothing was left .The family (5 persons) managed to escape with no injuries but only the clothes on their backs.The family live in the shire of Loch d'Or in western Avacal. > > As they have nothing at all I am asking any and all gentles to look into their homes and see if they have anything that might help them out .They are in need of everything from clothes and toiletries (soap, shampoo toothpaste etc) to house hold goods.The also lost all their SCA items as well . > Local members have some items to give them. Pots and pans from one who used to own a restaurant and others are donating time for a work bee to help them rebuild as well as contacting local builders for any scrap lumber they can spare. > > If anyone has items that they can part with to help the family out ,it would be greatly and deeply appreciated. > > Clothes are one of their great needs right now .The mother is about 5'4" and wears about a size 18 ,the father is 6'2" ish and very slim (he also has a back injury and is on disability) > The kids 23,14 and 12 need items as well. > The 23 YO male is about 5'8" and very slim , the 14YO male is about 5'6" heaver build than the father ,boys size 18 should fit and the 12YO female is about 5'2" and is about a girls size 12 . > > If anyone has items that may fit and are no longer needed in your house please consider donating them . > All clothing and other goods can be sent to the senechals address. He will make sure they recieve them in a timely manner. His address is : Joe Bechal PO Box 133 Crawford Bay BC V0B 1E0 (250) 227 - 9205. > > A jar has been set in the local credit union to collect funds for them as well. Any monitary donations can be sent directly to the credit union. Address is : Eastshore Credit Union PO Box 96 Crawford Bay BC V0B1E0 > (250) 227 - 9221 ATTN : Kate and Andrew Butcher fire relief fund . > > Any email inquires can be sent to me ladyeleonore@shaw.ca and I will relay the message (the senechals email is down). > A work bee is being planned date TBA when we have more information. I will post the date when I know more. > > I thank everyone who can help out this family in need. > > In Service, > HL Eleonore the Everlasting _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 14:14:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LIETRM005941 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:14:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LID2d5012952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LICtR0046887; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5LICrR0046818 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 17199 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 18:12:49 -0000 Received: from cts-san216120004234.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.234) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 18:12:49 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:13:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406211801.i5LI1QR2037692@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] order please? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, ya got me. Please explain. Julie >Cynthia Virtue and/or >Cynthia du Pré Argent > >Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 14:21:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LILiRM005979 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIKvd5013852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIKuR0053437; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIKgR1053254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LIJQ2x023253 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:19:26 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D726F9.9010503@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:20:41 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] order please? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All three of the named deities are trickster gods in their various pantheons. You could think of them as Chaotic Neutral/Good in the D&D world. Order and predictability are *not* their thing. Julie wrote: > OK, ya got me. Please explain. > Julie -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 14:24:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LIOYRM005988 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LINld5014165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LINkR0055783; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LILqR0054252 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:21:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from susan (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 16BEC6B06C for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <010201c457bd$7a87c490$0200a8c0@susan> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] order please? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:27:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They are all trickster types and order is not, uhmm, their strong suit. > OK, ya got me. Please explain. > Julie > > >Cynthia Virtue and/or > >Cynthia du Pré Argent > > > >Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, > please.' > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 14:24:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LIObRM005991 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:24:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIO2d5014205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIO2R0056000; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (fed1rmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.241.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIMCR0054488 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mudsleidi@cox.net) Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.53]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040621182207.HERV24163.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:22:07 -0400 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] order please? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:22:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <20040621182207.HERV24163.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i5LIMCR0054488 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm thinking that they are all gods or archetypes of chaos and DISorder. Cute! I always look forward to reading Cynthia's signature quotes... Cheers, Heidi >>OK, ya got me. Please explain. >>Julie >Cynthia Virtue and/or >Cynthia du Pré Argent > >Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ============================================================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 14:36:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LIaORM006072 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:36:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LDaQd5013102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LDaII9038260; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LDaFIA038235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LDYx2x022421 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:34:59 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D6E44D.6090207@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:36:13 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16c chemise neckline bindings References: <200406181457.AA28246114@thrednedlestrete.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20040620191343.00bb9368@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040620191343.00bb9368@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I sewed my chemise into a straight on-grain band, and it's quite stable. I didn't miter the corners at all; the extra at the corners folds up easily and doesn't give me any trouble. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 14:45:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LIjhRM006117 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:45:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIiWd5016515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIiUR0072563; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:44:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LIhtR0071994 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.238]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC513195FE for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:43:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40D72CCE.1070609@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:34 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Last time Robe a la Francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I Have pictures of me wearing the Dress!!!!!!! http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html I tried to do the right mackeup and hairstyle. Lot of people who saw me at the fantasy fair loved my dress. I only made one mistake in the dress. But luckely you don't see it in the pictures. The pleated strips on the front of the dress are cut with pinking sizzors. But I discovered that it depends on wich way you cut the fabrik if it wil fray or not. After one day of wearing the dress it looked very fussy :-( . I think I will put some fabrik glue on the edges and then cut them again so they will look nice again. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 15:15:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LJFrRM006251 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:15:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LJDud5019919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LJDpR0095370; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LJDlR1095322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LJM6HN000321 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:22:07 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040621121249.02a43008@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:13:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] order please? In-Reply-To: <40D726F9.9010503@thibault.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, sorta like "The Society for Consolidated Entropy"? Katie At 02:20 PM 6/21/2004 -0400, you wrote: >All three of the named deities are trickster gods in their various >pantheons. You could think of them as Chaotic Neutral/Good in the D&D >world. Order and predictability are *not* their thing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 16:22:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LKLmRM006700 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LKL5d5027114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LKJxR0057271; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:19:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50806.mail.yahoo.com (web50806.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5LKJIR0056411 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from albrakat7@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040621201911.48256.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.115.248.100] by web50806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:19:11 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last time Robe a la Francaise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <40D72CCE.1070609@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, I think it's lovely!!! Albra Deredere Galbraith wrote: I Have pictures of me wearing the Dress!!!!!!! http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html I tried to do the right mackeup and hairstyle. Lot of people who saw me at the fantasy fair loved my dress. I only made one mistake in the dress. But luckely you don't see it in the pictures. The pleated strips on the front of the dress are cut with pinking sizzors. But I discovered that it depends on wich way you cut the fabrik if it wil fray or not. After one day of wearing the dress it looked very fussy :-( . I think I will put some fabrik glue on the edges and then cut them again so they will look nice again. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I am looking for an authentic pattern for nun's habits from the 17th century. Puccini does not specify to which order Angelica belongs, and I do not want to be sacrilegious and do something terribly wrong. Any assistance with this quandary is welcome. This is not your Sound of Music habit! Thanks very much! David -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 17:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LLajRM007087 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:36:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LLZpd5005200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:35:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LLZgV8038746; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5LLZMV8038426 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OjLgWmrir8KFHT3ldgR6Ajg= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JYN87ZXP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:35:12 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:33:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last time Robe a la Francaise Message-ID: <20040621.143426.892.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's gorgeous. So are you. :-) Arlys On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:34 +0200 Deredere Galbraith writes: > I Have pictures of me wearing the Dress!!!!!!! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Robealafrancaise/Robe.html > I tried to do the right mackeup and hairstyle. > Lot of people who saw me at the fantasy fair loved my dress. > I only made one mistake in the dress. > But luckely you don't see it in the pictures. > The pleated strips on the front of the dress are cut with pinking > sizzors. > But I discovered that it depends on wich way you cut the fabrik if > it > wil fray or not. > After one day of wearing the dress it looked very fussy :-( . > I think I will put some fabrik glue on the edges and then cut them > again > so they will look nice again. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 18:04:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LM4DRM007235 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LM3ad5008055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LM3UV8061024; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LM3QV8060904 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:03:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:55:00 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:55:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008501c455c4$f4d46e10$ea399b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:56:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 21:55:00.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[665D8AF0:01C457DA] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The whole outfit also reminded me of that Orientalist > at-home wear adopted by English gentlemen in the 18th c. That's exactly what I was thinking of. > Now the pose is something else. It's a classic portrait pose from Italy and > northern Europe from the very late 14th c. up to the early 16th c. Learned > men are almost always shown holding a rolled or folded document or a book. Aaaahhh, so THAT's why I looked at it and said "Italy!", and then took a second look and went "Uuuhhh, Oriental?". The pose screamed Italian to me, but the clothing has nothing to do with it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 18:33:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LMXARM007395 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LMWNd5010837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LMWJV8083586; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LMWFV9083525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LMUw2x024091 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:30:58 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D761ED.1080701@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:32:13 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image References: <008501c455c4$f4d46e10$ea399b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So Robin, now that a bunch of us have taken a stab at it, what do you think is going on with the image? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, please.' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 19:57:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5LNvHRM007667 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LNtJd5017764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LNtCV8041130; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LNt9V8041044 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1eb.236ab6c0 (4362) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.236ab6c0.2e08cf46@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:54:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last time Robe a la Francaise To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks pretty damn good to me...though my PC won't let me "blow up" the thumbnails. [I'll sign off, reboot, and then it will probably let me. I hate computers....] BTW....who saw the "Dangerous Liaisons" exhibit at the Met Museum in NYC? Anyone? I loved it! Finally, a good idea from the Costume Institute....the 1st real good one since Diana Vreeland died. They've chipped away mercilessly at the CI's space with the new cafeteria. [But boy...is the food great!] So anyway, some curator with brains had the idea of combining the clothes with furnishings. The exhibit is in the 18th Century French Furnishing section of the museum. They've set up rooms with little dramas going on in them. The lighting is great....natural looking. And the mannequins are all white but the goings on are believable. A lady getting her hair dressed, card players, amorous encounters in the boudoir, a fainter in the salon,,,,,all in amazing gowns and beautiful suits. Go check it out if you're in the Big Apple. I think it's there until Sept. [or that might be the Modigliani retrospective at the Jewish Museum...also a must see!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 20:08:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M08IRM007731 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:08:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LNvEd5017930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LNvEV8042332; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5LNvAV8042284 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32306 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:00:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:00:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image In-Reply-To: <40D761ED.1080701@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > So Robin, now that a bunch of us have taken a stab at it, what do you > think is going on with the image? Everything I said in my original response to the researcher has come up in this thread, plus several people have added a lot more. (I don't know anything about Turkish garb, 1920s Orientalism, or Yeats.) I read the hat as a chaperon -- because of the extra fabric at the top, and also the combination with the coat and the general mid-1400s Germanic look of the piece. But the latchet button fastenings had me stumped; I don't know where the author got that. (Perhaps from some costume book that claimed that medieval people didn't use buttonholes? It's been said...) On reflection, I think a turban is an equally plausible reading of the headgear. I need to remind myself that the artist was probably just looking for a look that screamed "medieval" to him and his audience, and being unfamiliar with the nuances of the clothing, he would likely not render it in so accurate a way that we could confidently tell a stylized chaperon from a stylized turban based on clues in the fall of the fabric or the combination of elements, as we might with an authentic period artwork. I'm passing all the posts to the researcher. She's hoping to show that Dulac (and/or Yeats) had a particular historic scholar in mind as the model for the Geraldus character, but I frankly don't think that Dulac's "medieval-oid" rendering can provide any definitive clues as to period, even if he knew what Yeats had in mind (and that's not certain). I suspect his only goal was to provide an artwork that had the flavor of a frontispiece in a 15th- or 16th-century book, and he didn't think much beyond that. But then, a 15th- or 16th-century engraver would have readily shown an author in current fashion even if that person were hundreds of years dead, so the 15th-century flavor doesn't rule out an earlier "author" for the fictitious book being illustrated. I find most interesting the possibility that Dulac was deliberately calling up a Turkish or Oriental feeling, and that may be the most valuable point to come out of this discussion. I can always depend on this list to provide wonderful food for thought. Thank you all, on behalf of the researcher who posed the question, and myself. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 20:57:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M0vhRM007876 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:57:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M0tld5022865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M0tfV8076953; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:55:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M0tdV8076936 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-40-222.jps.net ([209.165.40.222] helo=KALC) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BcZZa-0004ej-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:55:39 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200406012256.50997.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] database for central repository - really X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of it. I have a little program almost through development at http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/project/Home/Home.cfm I created it because I can never find anything and I was taking a web development class at college. It's a find a portrait database which will allow one to search not just by sitter, painter, year etc, but also by garment type / embellishment, it will give you a link to a museum web site for the portrait if there is one, and a list of costume books the portrait can be found on. It's not quite complete but you can play with the test version using a user name of "guest" and a password of "portraits". Use Robert Dudley as a good name to see how the costume book contents comes up. The hyperlinks right now only go the the National Portrait Gallery's main site, not to the individual portraits, but you can use the NPG number to find the right painting. This program has a web based admin section so I can add data to it from an internet connection. I do plan on getting 16th century English data into it but time limitations will not permit a larger scope to the project. I would however, be willing to give this program to anyone who wishes to collect data or to h-costume if a number of people are interested in compiling a resource. More fields can be added if required. I'm planning on setting up a check list for going through portraits to tick what types of garments are found so some analysis can be done. This runs on coldfusion, and I can run it on my site, but I don't unfortunately have the time to admister it. If anyone as an individual or group is interested in using this speak up. There is just a bit more tweaking to do to make it quite useable. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 21:07:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M17aRM007907 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M16ld5023569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M16kV8082859; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M16eV8082804 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-40-222.jps.net ([209.165.40.222] helo=KALC) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BcZk8-0006t2-00; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:06:33 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: , "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:06:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: database for central repository - really X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO actually, I guess I should have said, I could administer the database but I would not have time to check for data accuracy especially about time periods I know little about. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: lisa-list [mailto:lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: database for central repository - really Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of it. I have a little program almost through development at http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/project/Home/Home.cfm I created it because I can never find anything and I was taking a web development class at college. It's a find a portrait database which will allow one to search not just by sitter, painter, year etc, but also by garment type / embellishment, it will give you a link to a museum web site for the portrait if there is one, and a list of costume books the portrait can be found on. It's not quite complete but you can play with the test version using a user name of "guest" and a password of "portraits". Use Robert Dudley as a good name to see how the costume book contents comes up. The hyperlinks right now only go the the National Portrait Gallery's main site, not to the individual portraits, but you can use the NPG number to find the right painting. This program has a web based admin section so I can add data to it from an internet connection. I do plan on getting 16th century English data into it but time limitations will not permit a larger scope to the project. I would however, be willing to give this program to anyone who wishes to collect data or to h-costume if a number of people are interested in compiling a resource. More fields can be added if required. I'm planning on setting up a check list for going through portraits to tick what types of garments are found so some analysis can be done. This runs on coldfusion, and I can run it on my site, but I don't unfortunately have the time to admister it. If anyone as an individual or group is interested in using this speak up. There is just a bit more tweaking to do to make it quite useable. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 21:23:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M1NLRM007943 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:23:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M1Mmd5024467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M1MlV8091685; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5M1MjV8091653 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 2999 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 01:22:40 -0000 Received: from cts-san21612011822.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.118.22) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 01:22:40 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:23:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200406220108.i5M18PVA083762@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Order Please? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tee hee. OK. Thanks. Loki is Scandanavian. Which pantheon are Eris and Coyote? Julie >All three of the named deities are trickster gods in their various >pantheons. You could think of them as Chaotic Neutral/Good in the D&D >world. Order and predictability are *not* their thing. > >Julie wrote: > >> OK, ya got me. Please explain. >> Julie > >-- >Cynthia Virtue and/or >Cynthia du Pré Argent > >Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, >please.' > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 21:39:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M1d1RM007978 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M1bAd5025370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M1b7V8099416; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M1b3V9099369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5M1Zj2x027043 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:35:45 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D78D3C.7090803@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:37:00 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Order Please? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julie wrote: > Tee hee. OK. Thanks. Loki is Scandanavian. Which pantheon are Eris and > Coyote? >>Loki, Eris, and Coyote walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'Order, >>please.' Coyote: American Southwest, mostly. http://members.cox.net/academia/coyote.html Eris: "Eris is the ancient Greek goddess of discord, daughter of Zeus and Hera and frequent companion of her brother (some say twin) Ares" http://www.fact-index.com/e/er/eris.html Tricksters in general (list & links) http://www.fact-index.com/t/tr/trickster.html -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent June 21, 2004: Scaled Composites launched the first private manned vehicle beyond the EarthÕs atmosphere today. Under the command of test pilot Mike Melvill, SpaceShipOne reached a record breaking altitude of approximately 62 miles, making Melvill the first civilian to fly a spaceship out of the atmosphere and the first private pilot to earn astronaut wings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 23:42:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M3gjRM008410 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M3fcd5003415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M3fXV8062683; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M3fVV8062661 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20hj.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.51] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BccA7-0006p1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:41:31 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040621161841.021d8008@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:21:41 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200406201313.i5KDDUIA016863@net.indra.com> References: <200406201313.i5KDDUIA016863@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Patton Tank Corps Uniform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: seamstrix@juno.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patton Tank Corps Uniform > >I have forwarded this question to my boyfriend who is not only a former >tank commander , but is a historic uniform buff (WWII) and has had >extensive experience at the Patton Museum. Hopefully he will have some >resources for you. > >Karen Thanks, Karen, Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 21 23:45:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M3j6RM008420 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M3hLd5003507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M3hKV8063631; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M3fXV8062680 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20hj.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.51] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BccA7-0006p1-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:41:31 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040621162214.02207b40@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:23:50 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200406201801.i5KI1bIA033951@net.indra.com> References: <200406201801.i5KI1bIA033951@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Patton uniform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:18:42 +0100 (BST) >From: Christina Claridge >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Patton tank uniform > >Hello, > > >I'm planning on making a reproduction of the tank > >corps uniform > >I assume that this would be a WWII uniform. You might >want to try Osprey Publishing, who publish guides to >uniforms, troops, and battles. Their books all have >large numbers of photographs and illustrations. Actually, no. It was in the 1930's and it is a one off. There was only one of these ever made. I hesitate to use Osprey only because I don't have a local source and I hate to spend $13-15 a book when I don't know if it has anything at all. Thanks though. Pierre >http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=S5546~ser=WAR~per=2 > >Anyway, good luck, >Chris "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 00:02:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M42NRM008470 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:02:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M41nd5004689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M41jV8072975; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5M41eV8072855 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCnq/pkojJnFTajMtjLHPFjNSvJb3qyhDsA== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JYPW9L8K; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:00:33 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:03:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Patton uniform Message-ID: <20040621.230333.-709671.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to my boyfriend, you are correct in that is does not appear in any of the Osprey series. He pretty much has all the ones pertaining to mid-20th century warfare and if he says it's not there, it's not there. The uniform was supposed to have been a prototype for the tank corps, but was met with a great deal of hostility by the rank and file and was never produced. Karen On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:23:50 -0500 Pierre & Sandy Pettinger > Actually, no. It was in the 1930's and it is a one off. There was > only one > of these ever made. I hesitate to use Osprey only because I don't > have a > local source and I hate to spend $13-15 a book when I don't know if > it has anything at all. > > Thanks though. > > Pierre ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 01:02:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M526RM008587 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:02:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M4x5d5007951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M4wwV8002825; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5M4wsV8002797 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.94]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5M4wtVi012826 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:58:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040621212253.01d5fe70@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20040621212253.01d5fe70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:01:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image In-Reply-To: References: <40D761ED.1080701@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I find most interesting the possibility that Dulac was deliberately >calling up a Turkish or Oriental feeling, and that may be the most >valuable point to come out of this discussion. Turkish costume looks just like this in the early 1500s. There's a turban, an overcoat, possibly with a collar, and a button-front closure with 'frogging'. I will dig for European woodcuts of Turks showing these elements, but I know some are in Vecellio. (Searched for half an hour, and can't find the Vecellio illustrations that used to be online. I'll have to dig out Dover's woodcut history, and upload them to my web page.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 11:12:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MFCURM005782 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MErdd5009360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MErUV8010463; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MErQV8010286 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:53:17 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:53:01 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Shopping in Budapest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whew, finally caught up with all the digests from vacation! Ok, I recently found out that my 75-year-old mother is traveling to Budapest in July to attend a friend's wedding. I inheirited my fiber/costume gene from her :). She was wondering if there was anything/place fiber/costume related in Budapest or Hungary she should be sure not to miss. I figured this was the group to ask! She will actually be staying with friends at a resort town a couple of hours outside of Budapest but they are going to try and help her get some sightseeing in too. She will be stopping in Zurich on the way home to visit with more friends. Any ideas, suggestions, advice? Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 15:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MJeARM007698 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJdGd5008248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJd7V8035471; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJd2V8035413 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.33.45.179]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040622193902.HOQY3317.out006.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c45890$94439b10$b32d2104@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c45630$a33e3b00$bcbb06cf@bc.hsia.telus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hair net snood Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:38:58 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.33.45.179] at Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:39:01 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thanks very helpful ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Reardon" To: Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] hair net snood Look what I found under a search of hair net. I've been looking for a pattern for a woven snood rather than crochet or sewed. Brin Kendall http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/hairnets/hairnets2.pdf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 15:53:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MJrKRM007773 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:53:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJfhd5008517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJfgV8037601; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5MJeDV8036371 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 15264 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 19:40:07 -0000 Received: from cts-san216120004243.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.243) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 19:40:07 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:40:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200406220108.i5M18PVA083762@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] portrait database X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds wonderful. When might it be up and running? Everything I tried came up with 0. Thanks Julie >I have a little program almost through development at >http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/project/Home/Home.cfm I created it because >I can never find anything and I was taking a web development class at >college. It's a find a portrait database which will allow one to search >not just by sitter, painter, year etc, but also by garment type / >embellishment, it will give you a link to a museum web site for >the portrait >if there is one, and a list of costume books the portrait can be found on. >It's not quite complete but you can play with the test version using a user >name of "guest" and a password of "portraits". Use Robert Dudley as a good >name to see how the costume book contents comes up. The hyperlinks right >now only go the the National Portrait Gallery's main site, not to the >individual portraits, but you can use the NPG number to find the right >painting. > >This program has a web based admin section so I can add data to it from an >internet connection. I do plan on getting 16th century English >data into it >but time limitations will not permit a larger scope to the >project. I would >however, be willing to give this program to anyone who wishes to collect >data or to h-costume if a number of people are interested in compiling a >resource. More fields can be added if required. I'm planning on >setting up >a check list for going through portraits to tick what types of garments are >found so some analysis can be done. > >This runs on coldfusion, and I can run it on my site, but I don't >unfortunately have the time to admister it. If anyone as an individual or >group is interested in using this speak up. There is just a bit more >tweaking to do to make it quite useable. > >Lisa Sinervo > >actually, I guess I should have said, I could administer the database but I >would not have time to check for data accuracy especially about >time periods >I know little about. > >Lisa > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 15:53:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MJrvRM007777 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:53:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJpYd5009452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJpUV8045588; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MJpQV8045476 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.140]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040622195118.VLCP10364.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c45892$34fbc040$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40D761ED.1080701@thibault.org> <4.1.20040621212253.01d5fe70@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:50:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image > >I find most interesting the possibility that Dulac was deliberately > >calling up a Turkish or Oriental feeling, and that may be the most > >valuable point to come out of this discussion. > > Turkish costume looks just like this in the early 1500s. There's a turban, > an overcoat, possibly with a collar, and a button-front closure with > 'frogging'. I will dig for European woodcuts of Turks showing these > elements, but I know some are in Vecellio. > > (Searched for half an hour, and can't find the Vecellio illustrations that > used to be online. I'll have to dig out Dover's woodcut history, and > upload them to my web page.) > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian Hi! This may work better for you: http://www.kb.se/HS/draktbok/eng/intro.htm This was a book of costume made in the early to mid 1600s, though the garments shown have not changed much from the previous century. Note that the few collars shown on the men's outer coats are quite small, if they are there at all. Wide furred collars seem to be a later development. Extant garments: http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~history/costume.html I had another lovely site full of men's Turkish garments operated by one of the Turkish museums, but it seems to be gone. :-( Enjoy! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 17:45:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MLj7RM008448 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MLhBd5020996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MLh7V8034370; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:43:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MLh5V8034246 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:42:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200406221642.AA124453010@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] portrait database X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Julie" wrote: >This sounds wonderful. When might it be up and running? Everything I tried >came up with 0. >Thanks >Julie > The database itself actually works just fine now, there may just not have been portraits that fit your search criteria. If you search on Robert first name, Dudley last you will get a list of entries for portraits and more details if you click on a link which would then give you a link to the national portrait gallery which ownes this portrait. Eventually it will go directly to the actual portrait of Robert Dudley. A list of common costuming books where the portrait appears will then come up with the quality of the picture. I though I would also add which commercial patterns are available for garments of these type. The data for garments and embelishments is not correct, because I needed to get the program working for my class and the acuracy of the data wasn't important. but try searching on corset or farthingale and entries come up, occupations work but all the social classes. I've sort of let the project slide since the semester finished but will get it completed within a month with good data, more always to be added. Wouldn't mind if someone from other eras was interested though.... I'd love to search through medieval, victorian, etc but it is quite a bit of work.. I'd also like to add a listing for extant garments so these could be located too. ahh......wish i had more time! Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 18:28:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MMS6RM008677 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:28:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MMQHd5024792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MMQEV8068163; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MMQ4V8068047 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BctiN-0004WH-00; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:03 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: , Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c458a7$f1081d00$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for the cross posts. I was wondering if any of you had come across any examples of late Elizabethan cuffs other than white? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 19:03:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MN35RM008882 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:03:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MN2Pd5028048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MN2JV8093098; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5MN2HV8093012 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:02:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200406221802.AA204341396@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sg, I have approx. 6 written references to tinted starch, and can dig them up, mostly in reference to ruffs if I recall but images are scant. Lisa Sinervo ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:19 -0700 >Sorry for the cross posts. > >I was wondering if any of you had come across any examples of late >Elizabethan cuffs other than white? > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 21:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5N1CfRM009443 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1C0d5007562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1BqV8062739; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1BUV8062517 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m171.in-tch.com [216.166.191.171]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5N0l6X08735 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40D8D9A6.8060109@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:15:18 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? References: <001601c458a7$f1081d00$6a01a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <001601c458a7$f1081d00$6a01a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Uhm...do you mean lace cuffs in another color? Or embroidered cuffs for which the background fabric is another color? Or just embroidered with another color? --sue Saragrace T. Knauf wrote: > Sorry for the cross posts. > > I was wondering if any of you had come across any examples of late > Elizabethan cuffs other than white? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 21:53:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5N1rURM009606 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1qPd5010111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1qLV8084974; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1qJV8084947 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jlkelley@ix.netcom.com) Received: from user-2injre3.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.237.195] helo=Meza2K) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bcwvy-0006je-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:52:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:07:27 -0500 From: jlkelley X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: slight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <145196718.20040622210727@ix.netcom.com> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Proposal In-Reply-To: <20040602.085521.996.4.Cley@juno.com> References: <20040602.085521.996.4.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I am way behind on reading my e-mail but I just had to write and say that I find the dolls and setting amazing. 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Thank you for sharing Jonica mailto:jlkelley@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 22 21:54:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5N1smRM009620 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:54:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1sEd5010253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1sDV8086016; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N1rXV8085633 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bcwx9-0003hm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:53:32 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:53:47 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c458c4$ecf8d020$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <40D8D9A6.8060109@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any and all are great. I am just looking for ideas... > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:15 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? > > Uhm...do you mean lace cuffs in another color? Or embroidered cuffs for > which the background fabric is another color? Or just embroidered with > another color? > --sue > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 00:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5N41PRM010437 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N40Qd5018049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N3xhV8056175; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N3xeV8056135 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20hj.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.51] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BcyvD-0002xV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:59:39 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040622161406.02209008@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:15:39 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200406210530.i5L5ULIA024389@net.indra.com> References: <200406210530.i5L5ULIA024389@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 'Green Hornet' uniform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:30 AM 6/21/2004, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:38:40 GMT >From: "seamstrix@juno.com" >Subject: [h-cost] 'Green Hornet' Uniform > > Here's the word from my boyfriend, who has actually seent he thing up > close and personal. > > IIRC...the jacket at the Patton isn't faded at all. It's been > protected for years, under museum lighting and in enclosed cabinetry. My > guess is that the colors may have been washed out by the flash on the > camera. It's fortunate the museum still has it--it's a one-of-a-kind > prototype, and few surviving pictures exist of it (I can think of only > one, with Patton wearing it). > > Now, what else do I remember of it...Colonel Patton was clearly going > for something that strongly resembled a classic British or German > lancer/hussar tunic. However, the US Cavalry had never worn anything > that was so identifiably European in look...and died stillborn as a > result. The Green Hornet name hung on the effort, after all, came from > the troops. > > The uniform, as I recall Patton's intent, consisted of the helmet, > tunic, cavalry breeches, and riding boots. > >Headgear: Gold-painted football helmet, unmodified, from the period. I >gather that some sort of radio gear would've been added over time, as >vehicle intercoms improved--but this one remains unmodified. > >The tunic: A forest green fabric, possibly a denim, possibly a light >wool...this was intended to be worn on the vehicle as well as off. It has >the plastron front of a Lancer-style tunic, and uses the standard gold >Service Dress buttons from the period. I want to say the the jacket has >narrow piping applied around the front (cavalry yellow?); however, it must >be noted that I haven't seen the actualy jacket since my last visit there >in 1993 (I was attending the Armor Officer Advanced Course at Ft Knox, the >Patton Museum's home) > >Breeches: I believe that the standard-pattern cavalry breeches of the >period were worn with the tunic. I have no info as to wheter they were >the tan or forest green. > >Boots: The russet-brown, lace-up riding boots of the 1931 pattern. > > I doubt that new belts for sidearms, spare ammunition, field gear, etc > would've been authorized...thus, the russet-brown waist > belt, russet-brown Sam Browne belt, or khaki webbed belt would likely > have been worn, depending on rank and type of duty. The best single > source for illustrations of the boots, belts, etc, I can think of is The > Horse Soldier 1776-1943 (The United States Cavalryman: His Uniforms, > Accoutrements, and Equipments), Volume IV, World War I, the Peacetime > Army, World War II 1917-1943 by written and illustrated by Randy Steffen, > 1979, University of Oklahoma press (and is still available, > softbound). You won't find the Green Hornet here--it was never seriously > considered by the Army uniform board--but you'll find the details you > need to complete it. > > On a historical note: George Patton only had command of the Tank > Corps, such as it was (a temporary, wartime setup which Congress > disestablished in 1920), in France during WWI. At the time he held the > temporary (wartime) rank of Colonel. This uniform dates to the 1930's, > and is a reminder that Patton was a career Cavalry officer. > >And the grips on his pistols (a .38 and a .357) are ivory, not >pearl--"...pearl is good for a New Orleans pimp...". The pearl business >seems to have come from a reporter writing an early feature piece on him >and never thought to actually ask someone. Those, I've actually held... > Thanks so much. If your boyfriend happens to recall which book or books might have the photo of Patton wearing the uniform I would appreciate it. I'll look for the book he does recommend. Thank him for his time and effort. Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 05:01:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5N91LRM005548 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N90Ud5001941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N90JV8008691; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5N90IV8008668 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27522AD4A for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:00:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p375.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.121]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C2014C418 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:00:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:00:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c458a7$f1081d00$6a01a8c0@SG01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/FasoloFamily.JPG Italian De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 08:55:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NCt7RM006585 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NCr2d5014430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NCqrV8025642; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NCqpV8025617 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i5NCqlIe025886 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040623084641.01bc3e78@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:52:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? In-Reply-To: <200406221802.AA204341396@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey there... "yellow ruffs" there were also pink, blue and IIRC lilac. This was a late innovation. Brought into England initially from France. Moralists of the day linked it to the ills of the court of James in England - so you're looking at post Elizabethan - about the 1610s+ . In Renaissance Clothing and the Materials of Memory (CAMBRIDGE STUDIES IN RENAISSANCE LITERATURE AND CULTURE) by Ann Rosalind Jones there is a whole chapter on the topic of tinted linen. Bridgette >Sg, > >I have approx. 6 written references to tinted starch, and can dig them up, >mostly in reference to ruffs if I recall but images are scant. > >Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 10:16:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NEGDRM007020 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:16:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NECld5019991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NEChV8072847; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NECQV8072663 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bd8UD-00016v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:12:25 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:12:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c4592c$26bf2270$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003701c45892$34fbc040$cb6afea9@sherry> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO These are great! I have never seen either site. Thanks! > > Hi! > This may work better for you: > http://www.kb.se/HS/draktbok/eng/intro.htm > This was a book of costume made in the early to mid 1600s, though the > garments shown have not changed much from the previous century. Note that > the few collars shown on the men's outer coats are quite small, if they are > there at all. Wide furred collars seem to be a later development. > > Extant garments: > http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~history/costume.html > > > I had another lovely site full of men's Turkish garments operated by one of > the Turkish museums, but it seems to be gone. :-( > > Enjoy! > > Sheridan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 10:31:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NEVdRM007096 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:31:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NETZd5021265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NETXV8083915; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f12.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NETSV8083812 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nauzimapup@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:28:52 -0700 Received: from 192.133.12.100 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:28:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.133.12.100] X-Originating-Email: [nauzimapup@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nauzimapup@hotmail.com From: "Tessalina K" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:28:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2004 14:28:52.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[67EA9110:01C4592E] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: What I (Will Do) On My Holidays (Lena Strid) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will be trying to finish my hand-sewn 18th century pair of stays. I have been working on them for four years now, all thanks to me trying to to be "authentic". It takes lots of time to sew in each individual reed and then sew on the chamois binding, especially when you are going to college full time and working 20 hours per week! The pair of stays are my main goal but I am also planning on "fixing" my 18th century chemise, and saving up money to get some authentic cloth for my 18th century "camp follower" costume. Be well, Tessalina _________________________________________________________________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 11:15:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NFFoRM007244 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NFEfd5025811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NFEYV8017760; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:14:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NFEWV8017732 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bd9SJ-00017i-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:14:31 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:14:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c45934$d39b5380$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040623084641.01bc3e78@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! This was the chapter I had been trying to remember to tell Lisa about a few years ago.. I can't recall if I had ever found it for her. .I will have to reread it. > > Hey there... "yellow ruffs" there were also pink, blue and IIRC > lilac. This was a late innovation. Brought into England initially from > France. Moralists of the day linked it to the ills of the court of James > in England - so you're looking at post Elizabethan - about the 1610s+ . In > 3241615- > 0000628?%5Fencoding=UTF8&coliid=I186OMDC56TCUH&colid=3OBXIW6A340S > D>Renaissance > Clothing and the Materials of Memory (CAMBRIDGE STUDIES IN RENAISSANCE > LITERATURE AND CULTURE) by Ann Rosalind Jones > there is a whole chapter on the topic of tinted linen. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 11:17:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NFHORM007253 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:17:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NFGld5026061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NFGlV8019333; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NFEvV8018023 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bd9Sh-0001CI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:14:55 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c45934$e203ae40$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Italian is fine too! Thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of otsisto > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:00 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late Elizabethan-Anything besides white cuffs ever seen? > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/FasoloFamily.JPG > > Italian > > De > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 20:55:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O0tZRM010517 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O0rjd5002440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O0rYKn052563; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O0rVKo052535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-115-14.sonic.net [209.148.115.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5O0rTJ1019784; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:53:29 -0700 Message-ID: <40DA272E.1030200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:58:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, 19cwoman@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Source for paisley shawls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just stumbled across this website: http://www.crescentmoonfibers.com/Fashion_Shawls.asp I haven't actually seen any of the shawls, but the illos look interesting. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books with 1870s and 1880s clothing patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 21:16:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O1GnRM010595 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:16:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1Fvd5003713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1FqKn065672; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1FoKo065658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-115-14.sonic.net [209.148.115.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5O1FmOu016261 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:15:49 -0700 Message-ID: <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:20:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know good online sources for functional tea/coffee mugs with historic pictures (fine art, tapestries, costumes) or looking kind of historic? Almost any period acceptable right now. I'm not looking for authenticity, just for something that doesn't look modern and tacky. I am looking for ceramic, porcelain, or china--not pewter, silver, wood, or leather. Also, no lead glazes. Suggestions greatly appreciated. My husband just dropped my favorite mug and we only have two left. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 21:37:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O1bNRM010647 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1aed5004672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1abKn080035; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1aXKn079925 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:36:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from archaeosoft1 (c-24-16-245-183.client.comcast.net[24.16.245.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040624013626013009kcjte>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> From: "Gia" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:36:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, in Seattle is a shop called the Perennial Tea Room Inc. It's a gallery of fine teas, teapots and gifts. *Gorgeous* teapots and cups. Their address is: 1910 Post Alley, Seattle, WA 98101-1015 and phone is 206-448-4054. Web page for cups is http://perennialtearoom.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=56 Many universities have mugs and coffee cups with pictures. Maybe even if you go to almost any Chamber of Commerce webpages, they might have 'gift galleries' web links for stores that have mugs with pictures (historic or otherwise) specific to their town. Best of luck! (good thing there's not 7 years bad luck to go with the breakage!) Slán go fóill Emer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs > Does anyone know good online sources for functional tea/coffee mugs with > historic pictures (fine art, tapestries, costumes) or looking kind of > historic? Almost any period acceptable right now. I'm not looking for > authenticity, just for something that doesn't look modern and tacky. I > am looking for ceramic, porcelain, or china--not pewter, silver, wood, > or leather. Also, no lead glazes. > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. My husband just dropped my favorite > mug and we only have two left. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 21:59:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O1xkRM010723 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:59:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1x7d5006287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1x2Kn092835; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O1x0Ko092801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-115-14.sonic.net [209.148.115.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5O1wwES024072 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:58:59 -0700 Message-ID: <40DA3687.6020507@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:03:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs References: <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> In-Reply-To: <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, I will check it out. The idea of a "Medieval/Renaissance" pottery goblet definitely has its appeal, too, as long as the shape is OK for tea. Fran Gia wrote: >Fran, in Seattle is a shop called the Perennial Tea Room Inc. It's a >gallery of fine teas, teapots and gifts. *Gorgeous* teapots and cups. >Their address is: 1910 Post Alley, Seattle, WA 98101-1015 and phone is >206-448-4054. Web page for cups is >http://perennialtearoom.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=56 > >Many universities have mugs and coffee cups with pictures. Maybe even if >you go to almost any Chamber of Commerce webpages, they might have 'gift >galleries' web links for stores that have mugs with pictures (historic or >otherwise) specific to their town. > >Best of luck! (good thing there's not 7 years bad luck to go with the >breakage!) > >Slán go fóill >Emer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lavolta Press" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:20 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs > > > > >>Does anyone know good online sources for functional tea/coffee mugs with >>historic pictures (fine art, tapestries, costumes) or looking kind of >>historic? Almost any period acceptable right now. I'm not looking for >>authenticity, just for something that doesn't look modern and tacky. I >>am looking for ceramic, porcelain, or china--not pewter, silver, wood, >>or leather. Also, no lead glazes. >> >>Suggestions greatly appreciated. My husband just dropped my favorite >>mug and we only have two left. >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press Books on Costuming >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 22:50:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O2oDRM010894 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:50:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O2jmd5008792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O2gqKn017475; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O2gpKn017437 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-206-244.cvip.net [129.8.206.244]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90545F6C6 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040623194131.01c85c50@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:42:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs In-Reply-To: <40DA3687.6020507@lavoltapress.com> References: <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:03 PM 6/23/2004 -0700, you wrote: >The idea of a "Medieval/Renaissance" pottery goblet definitely has its >appeal, too, as long as the shape is OK for tea. > >Fran Fran, You may be able to find an artisan to make a set for you, with a matching tea pot as well. Take a look locally at ceramic shops and art/Renaissance/craft faires to see if someone makes sets that appeal to your sense of beauty. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 23:05:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O35JRM010937 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O33Pd5009712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O2xaKn026439; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O2xZKo026428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-115-14.sonic.net [209.148.115.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5O2xXHT001297 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <40DA44BA.6060707@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:04:26 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs References: <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <5.2.1.1.0.20040623194131.01c85c50@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040623194131.01c85c50@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a place called www.vannessstudios.com I am looking at for custom work in "Drinking Vesals,", but if I could get something like that ready made it would be faster. Thanks, Fran Kimiko Small wrote: > At 07:03 PM 6/23/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >> The idea of a "Medieval/Renaissance" pottery goblet definitely has >> its appeal, too, as long as the shape is OK for tea. >> >> Fran > > > > Fran, > > You may be able to find an artisan to make a set for you, with a > matching tea pot as well. Take a look locally at ceramic shops and > art/Renaissance/craft faires to see if someone makes sets that appeal > to your sense of beauty. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 23 23:17:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O3HDRM010977 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O3FBd5010549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O3BQKn033183; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O3BPKn033166 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id F16985CCB07; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0380.floodcity.net [198.93.212.126]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24815CCB41 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40DA459E.D7F39742@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:08:14 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs References: <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO have you thought to check with museum gift shops? seems to me I remember some very interesting ones at the Smithsonian gift shop (10 years ago) and I'm sure my daughter has a couple with works of art on them. I'll ask her about that if this interests you. Kitty Lavolta Press wrote: > > Does anyone know good online sources for functional tea/coffee mugs with > historic pictures (fine art, tapestries, costumes) or looking kind of > historic? Almost any period acceptable right now. I'm not looking for > authenticity, just for something that doesn't look modern and tacky. I > am looking for ceramic, porcelain, or china--not pewter, silver, wood, > or leather. Also, no lead glazes. > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. My husband just dropped my favorite > mug and we only have two left. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 00:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O4M4RM011156 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:22:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O4LRd5015382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O4LMKn071994; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay11-dav79.bay11.hotmail.com [64.4.39.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O4LLKn071943 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:21:16 -0700 Received: from 4.10.36.229 by bay11-dav79.bay11.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:21:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.10.36.229] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1><5.2.1.1.0.20040623194131.01c85c50@64.87.54.245> <40DA44BA.6060707@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:21:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:21:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 04:21:16.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0DD1770:01C459A2] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i5O4M4RM011156 Status: RO Pillaged Village sells ceramic mugs with dragons and Celtic knotwork. http://www.pillagevillage.com/ Sur La Table has some mugs that are decorated with an Italian pattern. http://www.surlatable.com/index.cfm?slt_sourceid=00390750034849027977 The store at the Met has a few arty ones. http://www.metmuseum.org/store/index.asp Crate and Barrel has simple styles in lots of colors. http://www.crateandbarrel.com/ Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 01:14:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O5ErRM011301 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 07:03 PM 6/23/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >The idea of a "Medieval/Renaissance" pottery goblet definitely has its > >appeal, too, as long as the shape is OK for tea. > > > >Fran > > > Fran, > > You may be able to find an artisan to make a set for you, with a matching > tea pot as well. Take a look locally at ceramic shops and > art/Renaissance/craft faires to see if someone makes sets that appeal to > your sense of beauty. > > Kimiko Another option is to check out your local art school/college/university. Often you can get the students to make you what you want for a very reasonable fee, or you can catch a student sale. I have gotten some wonderful original art and glass this way. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 01:20:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O5K8RM011330 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:20:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O5IMd5018344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O5IMKn001944; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O5IKKn001909 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:18:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3D52BDA7 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:18:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p318.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.64]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D73EEC498 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:18:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000a01c4592c$26bf2270$6a01a8c0@SG01> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a thought. Could the image be of a Polish scholar? http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/comingsoon.html This is what made me wonder. Look at the Giermak and the Delia patterns. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 01:35:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O5ZQRM011417 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:35:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O5Ytd5018992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O5YnKn009863; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O5YkKn009835 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08943 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:37:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:37:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs In-Reply-To: <000701c4598b$ab602e70$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Gia wrote: > Many universities have mugs and coffee cups with pictures. Maybe even > if you go to almost any Chamber of Commerce webpages, they might have > 'gift galleries' web links for stores that have mugs with pictures > (historic or otherwise) specific to their town. Maybe too modern for Fran's taste, but on a similar line: My prized coffee mugs are the ones I've bought at museum shops. I try to pick up a mug at every museum or arts institution I visit -- it's a good thing a lot of them don't sell mugs or I wouldn't have any kitchen space left ;-) I put up a display shelf for some of them just this week, having just returned home from a trip with two more mugs (the Milwaukee Art Museum and the Milwaukee Public Museum) and finding no more room in the mug cabinet. I have maybe eight from the DC area, where I used to live, including such gems as the National Building Museum, the National Postal Museum, the Library of Congress, the National Air & Space Museum, the Kennedy Center, the Folger Library, and Arena Stage. Many others from around the U.S., plus a couple from Madrid, one from St.-Denis, one or two from London (though alas my National Opera mug broke). I have no mugs from Belgium or from the Paris museums, to my annoyance, as I saw none at the shops there. (Lots of Mona Lisa mugs, but nothing that actually said "Louvre" on it.) I will only collect mugs from my own trips; if I allowed friends to buy them for me I'd fill the kitchen in no time! Unrelated to these, I have two mugs with illustrations from the Luttrell Psalter, and two more with illustrations from the Bayeux Tapestry. These came from the Past Times catalog out of England (though actually I think I bought mine at the Past Times shop on a trip there, which means it was at least 11 or 12 years ago). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 04:13:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5O8DXRM005847 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O8Bbd5025537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O8BVKn088053; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5O8BTKn087963 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:11:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0037.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.38]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B25BEDE2 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:11:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40DA8CA7.7030409@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:11:19 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Coated metal boning in Europe?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I wonder if anyone nows a place where I can buy coated metal boning for hoopskirts in Europe? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 07:11:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OBBlRM006769 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:11:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OBB1d5003193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OBArKn072235; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (smtp1.fuse.net [216.68.8.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OBAmKn072147 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([216.196.142.55]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040624111040.BUGZ16246.smtp1.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:10:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040624065354.00ad2eb0@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:30 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need thoughts on an image In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c4592c$26bf2270$6a01a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't believe that it is a pattern for a scholar, but for a noble and common man. In Poland ( the early years Before 1430 if I remember correctly), any male who owned land no matter how much was considered part of the nobility. Titles of Duke, Earl, Count etc did not exist there during the SCA time period. From the research that I have tried to do, the Delia and Giermak patterns are earlier clothes for men and the Kontusz and Zupan are later clothes. The Turkish influence on the later clothes was due to all of the battles with the Turks in Hungary. Jennifer At 12:18 AM 6/24/04 -0500, you wrote: >Just a thought. Could the image be of a Polish scholar? >http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/comingsoon.html >This is what made me wonder. Look at the Giermak and the Delia patterns. > >De > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume If you are squeamish, don't prod the beach rubble. Sappho _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 08:21:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OCLWRM007178 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:21:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OCKqd5006676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OCKhKn007973; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from uni05mr.unity.ncsu.edu (uni05mr.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.168]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OCKdKn007916 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from david_serxner@ncsu.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uni05mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i5OCKaYK022588 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uni05mr.unity.ncsu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uni05mr.unity.ncsu.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22325-07 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncsu.edu (acq-gss4421.lib.ncsu.edu [152.1.24.106]) by uni05mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i5OCKZai022580 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40DAC713.9000804@ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:20:35 -0400 From: David Serxner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: database for central repository - really References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can do some helping with 18th century English costumes and a little with French. I can vet data and find images, but do not have the capacity to post images or host a page. David By-the-by: Have you all see the simply incredible book about the collection at the Kyoto Costume Institute? 245 line: Fashion : the collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute : a history from the 18th to the 20th century 260 line: Koln ; New York : Taschen, c2002 lisa-list wrote: >actually, I guess I should have said, I could administer the database but I >would not have time to check for data accuracy especially about time periods >I know little about. > >Lisa > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lisa-list [mailto:lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com] >Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:56 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: database for central repository - really > > >Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > >>How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what >> >> >information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of >images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, >would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require >people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of >it. > >I have a little program almost through development at >http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/project/Home/Home.cfm I created it because >I can never find anything and I was taking a web development class at >college. It's a find a portrait database which will allow one to search >not just by sitter, painter, year etc, but also by garment type / >embellishment, it will give you a link to a museum web site for the portrait >if there is one, and a list of costume books the portrait can be found on. >It's not quite complete but you can play with the test version using a user >name of "guest" and a password of "portraits". Use Robert Dudley as a good >name to see how the costume book contents comes up. The hyperlinks right >now only go the the National Portrait Gallery's main site, not to the >individual portraits, but you can use the NPG number to find the right >painting. > >This program has a web based admin section so I can add data to it from an >internet connection. I do plan on getting 16th century English data into it >but time limitations will not permit a larger scope to the project. I would >however, be willing to give this program to anyone who wishes to collect >data or to h-costume if a number of people are interested in compiling a >resource. More fields can be added if required. I'm planning on setting up >a check list for going through portraits to tick what types of garments are >found so some analysis can be done. > >This runs on coldfusion, and I can run it on my site, but I don't >unfortunately have the time to admister it. If anyone as an individual or >group is interested in using this speak up. There is just a bit more >tweaking to do to make it quite useable. > >Lisa Sinervo > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 09:05:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OD5mRM007358 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OD3rd5008625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:03:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OD3pKn030359; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OD3nKn030344 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-44-120.jps.net ([209.165.44.120] helo=KALC) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BdTtL-0005pL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:03:48 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: database for central repository - really Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:03:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <40DAC713.9000804@ncsu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I can do is finish up this program and then give interested parties web access to enter the data so that hosting isn't a problem and anyone online can search the contents. Anyone who wish to be responsible for adding data may have a copy of the database for their future use too and the program if they so desire. I'll take this off list with David but will give an announcement when good data is online. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of David Serxner Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: database for central repository - really I can do some helping with 18th century English costumes and a little with French. I can vet data and find images, but do not have the capacity to post images or host a page. David By-the-by: Have you all see the simply incredible book about the collection at the Kyoto Costume Institute? 245 line: Fashion : the collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute : a history from the 18th to the 20th century 260 line: Koln ; New York : Taschen, c2002 lisa-list wrote: >actually, I guess I should have said, I could administer the database but I >would not have time to check for data accuracy especially about time periods >I know little about. > >Lisa > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lisa-list [mailto:lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com] >Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:56 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: database for central repository - really > > >Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > >>How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what >> >> >information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of >images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, >would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require >people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of >it. > >I have a little program almost through development at >http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/project/Home/Home.cfm I created it because >I can never find anything and I was taking a web development class at >college. It's a find a portrait database which will allow one to search >not just by sitter, painter, year etc, but also by garment type / >embellishment, it will give you a link to a museum web site for the portrait >if there is one, and a list of costume books the portrait can be found on. >It's not quite complete but you can play with the test version using a user >name of "guest" and a password of "portraits". Use Robert Dudley as a good >name to see how the costume book contents comes up. The hyperlinks right >now only go the the National Portrait Gallery's main site, not to the >individual portraits, but you can use the NPG number to find the right >painting. > >This program has a web based admin section so I can add data to it from an >internet connection. I do plan on getting 16th century English data into it >but time limitations will not permit a larger scope to the project. I would >however, be willing to give this program to anyone who wishes to collect >data or to h-costume if a number of people are interested in compiling a >resource. More fields can be added if required. I'm planning on setting up >a check list for going through portraits to tick what types of garments are >found so some analysis can be done. > >This runs on coldfusion, and I can run it on my site, but I don't >unfortunately have the time to admister it. If anyone as an individual or >group is interested in using this speak up. There is just a bit more >tweaking to do to make it quite useable. > >Lisa Sinervo > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 09:21:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ODLtRM007452 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:21:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODIod5009498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODIlKn038871; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODIiKn038844 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0042.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.42]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BdU7n-0004Fp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:18:43 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:19:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040623194131.01c85c50@64.87.54.245> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Also don't forget your local GoodWill, consignment, and antique shops, if you don't need a lot of cups all at once and don't need them to match. Lovely things show up, all the way from authentic 19th-c china (or earlier in the case of the antique shops, but that means $$$ of course!) to modern-made but period-looking souvenirs, and depending on the shop and the actual item the prices can be as low as $1. I've seen some very charming things, including those "To a Friend" and "As A Gift" turn-of-the-century teacups (which aren't always pricey) as well as scenic illustrations and floral designs. If you have the time and ability to shop locally you're supporting a local merchant and can hold the product in your hands before buying it; the time you spend on foot might not be any more than the time you'd wait for UPS. Just a thought! Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer 6/23/04 10:42 PM, Kimiko Small at kimiko@kimiko1.com wrote: > At 07:03 PM 6/23/2004 -0700, you wrote: >> The idea of a "Medieval/Renaissance" pottery goblet definitely has its >> appeal, too, as long as the shape is OK for tea. >> >> Fran > > > Fran, > > You may be able to find an artisan to make a set for you, with a matching > tea pot as well. Take a look locally at ceramic shops and > art/Renaissance/craft faires to see if someone makes sets that appeal to > your sense of beauty. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 09:47:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ODlMRM007609 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODkhd5011250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODkdKn054990; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODkHKn054814 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-44-120.jps.net ([209.165.44.120] helo=KALC) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BdUYS-0007jS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:46:16 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: message for David - RE: [h-cost] RE: database for central repository - really Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <40DAC713.9000804@ncsu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for your offer to help. I don't seem to be able to pick up your email address, would you care to email me directly at Lisa@thrednedlestrete.com. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of David Serxner Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: database for central repository - really I can do some helping with 18th century English costumes and a little with French. I can vet data and find images, but do not have the capacity to post images or host a page. David By-the-by: Have you all see the simply incredible book about the collection at the Kyoto Costume Institute? 245 line: Fashion : the collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute : a history from the 18th to the 20th century 260 line: Koln ; New York : Taschen, c2002 lisa-list wrote: >actually, I guess I should have said, I could administer the database but I >would not have time to check for data accuracy especially about time periods >I know little about. > >Lisa > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lisa-list [mailto:lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com] >Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:56 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: database for central repository - really > > >Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > >>How much the lack of filtering for "accuracy" matters depends on what >> >> >information you are collecting. I think, for example, that a collection of >images of period art, organized by country of origin and approximate date, >would be an excellent resource, even though (especially?) it would require >people to do additional research elsewhere to get the maximum benefit out of >it. > >I have a little program almost through development at >http://www.thrednedlestrete.com/project/Home/Home.cfm I created it because >I can never find anything and I was taking a web development class at >college. It's a find a portrait database which will allow one to search >not just by sitter, painter, year etc, but also by garment type / >embellishment, it will give you a link to a museum web site for the portrait >if there is one, and a list of costume books the portrait can be found on. >It's not quite complete but you can play with the test version using a user >name of "guest" and a password of "portraits". Use Robert Dudley as a good >name to see how the costume book contents comes up. The hyperlinks right >now only go the the National Portrait Gallery's main site, not to the >individual portraits, but you can use the NPG number to find the right >painting. > >This program has a web based admin section so I can add data to it from an >internet connection. I do plan on getting 16th century English data into it >but time limitations will not permit a larger scope to the project. I would >however, be willing to give this program to anyone who wishes to collect >data or to h-costume if a number of people are interested in compiling a >resource. More fields can be added if required. I'm planning on setting up >a check list for going through portraits to tick what types of garments are >found so some analysis can be done. > >This runs on coldfusion, and I can run it on my site, but I don't >unfortunately have the time to admister it. If anyone as an individual or >group is interested in using this speak up. There is just a bit more >tweaking to do to make it quite useable. > >Lisa Sinervo > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 10:44:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OEhxRM008154 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OEabd5016536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OEaYKn093029; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-f21.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.49.21]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OEaSKn092942 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from flonzy@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:36:23 -0700 Received: from 169.253.4.21 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:36:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.253.4.21] X-Originating-Email: [flonzy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: flonzy@hotmail.com From: "james barker" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:36:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 14:36:23.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F34DDE0:01C459F8] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are some seriously good researchers here and I need some help. I am looking for images of the actual garment and or line drawings of the pieces of the Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have is the front photo and a tiny photo of it on a dummy and I would really like to see some detail so I came make a nice reproduction. Anything you guys may have on this garment would help me out. Thanks James _________________________________________________________________ MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 10:48:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OEmkRM008220 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:48:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OElkd5017639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OElgKn001137; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OEleKn001013 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0037.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.38]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A4ABF0E9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40DAD582.2000801@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:22:10 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You mean this? http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/elbow_hinge/elbow_hinge.htm http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/grande_assiette/grande_assiette_overview.htm Greetrings, Deredere james barker wrote: > Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are some seriously good > researchers here and I need some help. > > I am looking for images of the actual garment and or line drawings of > the pieces of the Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have is > the front photo and a tiny photo of it on a dummy and I would really > like to see some detail so I came make a nice reproduction. > > Anything you guys may have on this garment would help me out. > > Thanks > James > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from > Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 11:49:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OFnWRM009650 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:49:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OFmbd5023668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OFmRKn044613; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-f24.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.49.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OFmOKn044480 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from flonzy@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:48:16 -0700 Received: from 169.253.4.21 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:48:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.253.4.21] X-Originating-Email: [flonzy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: flonzy@hotmail.com From: "james barker" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:48:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 15:48:16.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA7BEFE0:01C45A02] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actully I mean this one http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/garments/charlesVI/charlesVIL.jpg It's an arming coat worn over armor. I have lots of information on the Charles de Blois coat. I should have been clearer about that sorry. Thanks James From: Deredere Galbraith Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:22:10 +0200 You mean this? http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/elbow_hinge/elbow_hinge.htm http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/grande_assiette/grande_assiette_overview.htm Greetrings, Deredere james barker wrote: >Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are some seriously good >researchers here and I need some help. > >I am looking for images of the actual garment and or line drawings of the >pieces of the Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have is the front >photo and a tiny photo of it on a dummy and I would really like to see some >detail so I came make a nice reproduction. > >Anything you guys may have on this garment would help me out. > >Thanks >James > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from >Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 12:39:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OGd9RM010190 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OGcVd5028464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OGcTKn081519; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OGcPKo081472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-233.sonic.net [209.148.112.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5OGcNH4031976 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:38:24 -0700 Message-ID: <40DB04A4.9020209@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I used to have both the Unicorn mugs (there were two) and the Bayeaux tapestry mug, and several other nice museum/art mugs, including some Tudor and William Morris textile designs. I also once had a set of lovely stoneware mugs, shaped like a low-footed goblet with a handle. Unfortunately all our mugs take heavy use, get scratched and perma-stained on the inside, and then get broken after a year or so. I figure they're ephemeral, but haven't been finding any I like lately. BTW, I don't know why the Costume Society of America doesn't do a costume/textile mug et as a fundraiser. But I just had a really obvious idea for maybe finding some of the mugs I used to have . . . eBay. Fran > >Unrelated to these, I have two mugs with illustrations from the Luttrell >Psalter, and two more with illustrations from the Bayeux Tapestry. These >came from the Past Times catalog out of England (though actually I think I >bought mine at the Past Times shop on a trip there, which means it was at >least 11 or 12 years ago). > >--Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 13:00:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OH0uRM010512 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:00:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OGx2d5000598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OGwwKn097263; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OGwsKo097202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OGvMOJ021493 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:57:22 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40DB0849.2040800@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:58:49 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's also Cafe Press -- find an (out of copyright) image you want on a mug, convert it to their format (easy, if you have photoshop or similar) open your own store, voila. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Re-defeat G.W. Bush in 2004! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 14:28:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OISpRM010916 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:28:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIRtd5009798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIRnKn097760; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIRjKo097701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-233.sonic.net [209.148.112.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5OIRhem009444 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:27:44 -0700 Message-ID: <40DB1E44.80400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:36 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sources for fine art mugs including William Morris textile decoration X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Six William Morris textile designs: http://charlesrupert.com/gifts/mugs.html Fine art images: http://www.classicouk.com/finartmug.htm Reproductions of ancient Greek vessels: http://www.hellenic-art.com/pottery/amphora.htm http://www.eleganza.com/vase-greek-gallery/1-01-ancient-greek-pottery.html I don't know what I'd do with any of the Greek ones but I liked them. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books on 1870s and 1880s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 14:43:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OIhVRM010983 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIbhd5010851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIbfS6005717; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIbbS7005676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; 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Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OImWd5011669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OImSS6014265; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5OImQS7014182 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SAVSMTP 3.1.0.29) with SMTP id M2004062414481905590 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:48:19 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id i5OImJ8O007686 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90A90FDF@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F9001D29BF8@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was in Boston I saw neat shop in the ground level of Fanuiel Hall with lots of tea cups. Don't remember the name tho. Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:21 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs Does anyone know good online sources for functional tea/coffee mugs with historic pictures (fine art, tapestries, costumes) or looking kind of historic? Almost any period acceptable right now. I'm not looking for authenticity, just for something that doesn't look modern and tacky. I am looking for ceramic, porcelain, or china--not pewter, silver, wood, or leather. Also, no lead glazes. Suggestions greatly appreciated. My husband just dropped my favorite mug and we only have two left. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 14:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OIrARM011057 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:53:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIqXd5012009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIqPS6017482; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from dukcds.cds.duke.edu (dukcds.cds.duke.edu [152.3.16.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OIqJS6017396 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vlamb@cds.duke.edu) Received: from cds.duke.edu (dukcds.cds.duke.edu [152.3.16.60]) by dukcds.cds.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5OIjha15996 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:45:43 -0400 Message-ID: <40DB22AE.7000206@cds.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:51:26 -0400 From: Vicki L Lamb Organization: Duke University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO James - this link should give you more pictures and information: http://www.mallet-argent.com/chartres.html HTH, Vicki >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:48:16 -0400 >From: "james barker" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Actully I mean this one >http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/garments/charlesVI/charlesVIL.jpg >It's an arming coat worn over armor. > >I have lots of information on the Charles de Blois coat. I should have been >clearer about that sorry. > >Thanks >James _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 15:31:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OJVdRM011677 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:31:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OJQqd5015374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OJQnS6045201; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OJQXS6045022 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.57.232.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.57.232] helo=HELENPINTO) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BdZrk-0005dw-GU for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <00d101c45a21$23f4c180$e8399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:26:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9ef51e4097296816e98659b21304fc6978f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.232 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's not Charles VI, but close- Charles de Blois. There's a decent picture, plus a graphic of the pattern pieces. Hope this helps, -Helen/Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "james barker" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint > Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are some seriously good researchers > here and I need some help. > > I am looking for images of the actual garment and or line drawings of the > pieces of the Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have is the front > photo and a tiny photo of it on a dummy and I would really like to see some > detail so I came make a nice reproduction. > > Anything you guys may have on this garment would help me out. > > Thanks > James > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! > http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 16:24:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OKODRM012055 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OKMjd5021233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OKMgS6048843; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OKMWS7048737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104077.uvm.edu [132.198.104.77]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OKMS91012953 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: <40DB3804.8070209@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:22:28 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bathing dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just received a request asking for images of American bathing/swimming dress in the 19th century, the earlier the better. I recall seeing plenty for the last years of the century but not much before then. I don't recall any from Godey's in the mid-century years that I'm most familiar with. Does anyone have any references or images (online, preferably) to any? Thanks. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 18:50:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OMoARM012731 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:50:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OMn6d5004918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OMmoS6059587; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5OMmlS7059531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:48:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-115.sonic.net [209.148.112.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5OMmh9Q012794 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: <40DB5B71.7050007@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:53:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More William Morris textile type mugs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.chinawithcharm.com/ They have a set of six Dunoon (brand) mugs they call "Arts and Crafts" in small floral William Morris type designs. They also have a large selection of the pink-roses type of mugs and teapots. I'm about finished buying mugs, and this is getting off topic. However, I also want to replace all the china (dinnerware) with an Arts & Crafts or Art Nouveau design. (We seem to be hard on the china around here.) Currently we have light brown plain Heath stoneware which is OK, but I would like something with some sort ofArts & Crafts or Art Nouveau design, not too loud or busy. If anyone wants to email me with suggestions for brands/design names, or sources, feel free. For that matter I wouldn't mind Arts & Crafts or Art Nouveau style stainless steel flatware. Thanks to everyone who helped in the Great Mug Hunt. Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 19:19:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ONJcRM012802 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:19:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ONHvd5006966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ONHtS6079354; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f78.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.78]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ONHrS6079271 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:17:48 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.25 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:17:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.25] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] bathing dress Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:17:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 23:17:48.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[7683A6D0:01C45A41] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.agelesspatterns.com/71_Swimwearx.html http://www.agelesspatterns.com/70_Swimwearx.html >From: Hope Greenberg >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] bathing dress >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:22:28 -0400 > >I just received a request asking for images of American bathing/swimming >dress in the 19th century, the earlier the better. I recall seeing plenty >for the last years of the century but not much before then. I don't recall >any from Godey's in the mid-century years that I'm most familiar with. Does >anyone have any references or images (online, preferably) to any? > >Thanks. > >- Hope > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 24 20:47:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P0lERM013038 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:47:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P0kdd5012356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P0kZS6032048; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P0kWS6031859 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.15]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i5P0kBam021316 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:46:18 +1000 Message-ID: <002001c45a4d$ceb708e0$0f91d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40DA2C69.7040005@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:41:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs > Does anyone know good online sources for functional tea/coffee mugs with > historic pictures (fine art, tapestries, costumes) or looking kind of > historic? Almost any period acceptable right now. I'm not looking for > authenticity, just for something that doesn't look modern and tacky. I > am looking for ceramic, porcelain, or china--not pewter, silver, wood, > or leather. Also, no lead glazes. > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. My husband just dropped my favorite > mug and we only have two left. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com Well if the not blatantly modern issue is for events I use plain coloured mugs from the supermarket, people rarely see my mug (it stays in my tent till fairly late in the evening & then I have 1 hot drink before bed) & I figure it doesn't really stick out as modern like most of my others (which have teddybears or Xmas scenes etc.) HTH Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 01:03:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P53nRM013709 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:03:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P538d5026751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P52QS6063639; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P52OS6063618 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-69-3-238-107.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.238.107] helo=[172.16.1.10]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bdir1-0006SD-00; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:02:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:49:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume , h-costume@net.indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i5P52OS6063618 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:36 AM -0400 6/24/04, james barker wrote: >Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are >some seriously good researchers here and I need >some help. > >I am looking for images of the actual garment >and or line drawings of the pieces of the >Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have >is the front photo and a tiny photo of it on a >dummy and I would really like to see some detail >so I came make a nice reproduction. This garment is annoyingly elusive in the literature. I've only personally seen a photo of it in: Le coton et la mode - 1000 ans d'aventures. 2000. Musée Galliera, musee de la ville de Paris. My notes on it (since I wasn't able to buy the copy I saw it in) are: p.19 - pourpoint de Charles VI le Bien-Aimé, dernier quart du XIVe siecle, Chartres, musee des Beaux-Arts, cat no 7 [of this exhibition - the museum inventory no is 2895], lampas de soie rouge, matière de renbourrage, coton; H 69cm red looks like silk monochrome brocade, quilted vertically, scalloping at hem, sleeves have very shallow inset, buttoned up front, wadded with cotton I've also been pointed to (but haven't had a chance to look up): Schoeffer-Masson, Marie. 1998 'Le pourpoint dr Charles de Bloix daté d'avant 1364. Remarques, comparaison et restauration; in Interdisciplinary Approach about Studies and Conservation of Medieval Textiles, Actes du congrès ICOM du comité de conservation, Palerme, 1998. And someone told me that one of the cutting diagrams in Harmand is this garment, but I haven't taken the time to correlate it precisely. Harmand is: Harmand, Adrien. 1929. Jeanne d'Arc: ses costumes, son armure. Lib. Ernest Leroux, Paris. (Be aware that many of the cutting diagrams in Harmand are speculative, rather than being taken from actual garments.) And that's all I've been able to track down so far. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 01:06:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P56iRM013715 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:06:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P54ud5026883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P54KS6064393; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P52OS6063622 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-69-3-238-107.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.238.107] helo=[172.16.1.10]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bdir1-0006SD-00; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:02:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:49:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume , h-costume@net.indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i5P52OS6063622 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:36 AM -0400 6/24/04, james barker wrote: >Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are >some seriously good researchers here and I need >some help. > >I am looking for images of the actual garment >and or line drawings of the pieces of the >Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have >is the front photo and a tiny photo of it on a >dummy and I would really like to see some detail >so I came make a nice reproduction. This garment is annoyingly elusive in the literature. I've only personally seen a photo of it in: Le coton et la mode - 1000 ans d'aventures. 2000. Musée Galliera, musee de la ville de Paris. My notes on it (since I wasn't able to buy the copy I saw it in) are: p.19 - pourpoint de Charles VI le Bien-Aimé, dernier quart du XIVe siecle, Chartres, musee des Beaux-Arts, cat no 7 [of this exhibition - the museum inventory no is 2895], lampas de soie rouge, matière de renbourrage, coton; H 69cm red looks like silk monochrome brocade, quilted vertically, scalloping at hem, sleeves have very shallow inset, buttoned up front, wadded with cotton I've also been pointed to (but haven't had a chance to look up): Schoeffer-Masson, Marie. 1998 'Le pourpoint dr Charles de Bloix daté d'avant 1364. Remarques, comparaison et restauration; in Interdisciplinary Approach about Studies and Conservation of Medieval Textiles, Actes du congrès ICOM du comité de conservation, Palerme, 1998. And someone told me that one of the cutting diagrams in Harmand is this garment, but I haven't taken the time to correlate it precisely. Harmand is: Harmand, Adrien. 1929. Jeanne d'Arc: ses costumes, son armure. Lib. Ernest Leroux, Paris. (Be aware that many of the cutting diagrams in Harmand are speculative, rather than being taken from actual garments.) And that's all I've been able to track down so far. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 01:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P5LMRM013728 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:21:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P5Kmd5027659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P5KlS6071107; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5P5KkS6071067 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040625052040012008ef7he>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:20:40 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What I (Will Do) On My Holidays Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm working on: ...a wedding dress and 4 bridesmaids gowns to go with. ...Perfecting my cavalier hat pattern ...A new costume or 2 for my shrinking figure ...finishing my webpage so I can share with the rest. ...Trying to stay sane Molly ~There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. I tripped over it a few years back _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 11:31:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PFV1RM010168 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:31:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PFUEd5029106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PFU6S6089586; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PFU2S6089440 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040625152955015002i6f2e>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:29:55 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:28:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic---mugs From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c45a4d$ceb708e0$0f91d6cb@ewalpole> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite mugs come from Monroe Saltworks: http://www.monroesaltworks.com/default.asp Chunky, utilitarian, beautiful -- I think William Morris would have USED these if they'd been available to him! ;-) If, on the other hand, you would like mugs that do have some historical applications, but are still sweet to the modern eye, check out http://www.hendersonsredware.com, especially the "North Devon Sgraffito Mugs" on this page: http://www.hendersonsredware.com/redware.htm and the stuff under "limited editions". I recently bought a couple of giant black-glazed mugs to address my hydration problem at outdoor summer events and to keep my linen warp damp when I'm doing a weaving demo, and they've crept rather swiftly into everyday use. They are well-made and surprisingly durable, given the usual friability of redware. Enjoy! Buy them all! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 12:56:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PGuVRM010760 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:56:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PGtTd5007742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PGtOS6058779; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from whowhere.com (in02-fes1.whowhere.com [209.202.220.218]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5PGtKS6058631 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by whowhere.com; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:54:59 -0000 To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:54:59 0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coated metal boning in Europe?? 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I hope this helps. Cheers, Danielle --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:11:19 From: Deredere Galbraith To: Historical Costume Cc: >Hi, > >I wonder if anyone nows a place where I can buy coated metal boning for >hoopskirts in Europe? > >Greetings, > Deredere > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 12:59:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PGxhRM010775 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PGwkd5008154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PGwkS6061579; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PGwgS6061468 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040625165836012008dqlae>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:58:36 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:57:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More William Morris textile type mugs From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40DB5B71.7050007@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooh, if anyone has a good source for Arts & Crafts or Art Nouveau style stainless flatware, tell me, too! Lauren > From: Lavolta Press If anyone wants to email me with > suggestions for brands/design names, or sources, feel free. For that > matter I wouldn't mind Arts & Crafts or Art Nouveau style stainless > steel flatware. > > Thanks to everyone who helped in the Great Mug Hunt. > > Fran > http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 13:33:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PHXGRM010889 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:33:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PHWJd5011329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PHWDS6088163; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PHWAS7088094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-99.sonic.net [209.148.112.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5PHW4Sa008668 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:32:05 -0700 Message-ID: <40DC62BA.4030108@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:36:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More William Morris textile type mugs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What the Arts & Crafts decoration sites are all recommending is Reed & Barton hammered flatware. R & B has a couple of hammered styles. The best prices are currently at Ross-Simons, added to which Ross-Simons has a 15% off everything sale ending today. Art Nouveau flatware I have not looked into much. Michael FitzSimmons (www.fitzdecarts.com or something like that) has William Morris patterned dinnerware, white with the Morris border, 4 different border choices. I have not found it anywhere else. They also have a really boring (though they say it's an accurate repro) Arts & Crafts pattern called Tudor Rose. I've seen the Tudor Rose at a local Arts & Crafts furniture store. It's mostly white china with a tiny, unexciting little motif on the rims. The dinnerware we will probably buy is Lindt Stymeist Craftworks stoneware. They have a bunch of different shaped and sized plates, bowls, etc. with matte glazes in earthtones, browns and grays plus a green or two. You buy however many you want and mix shapes and colors at will. I think it's very much in the Arts & Crafts spirit. Furthermore when we have to replace a piece it's OK if it doesn't match exactly. We can use our current brown Heath serving bowls and platters with it too. Fran Lauren Walker wrote: >Ooh, if anyone has a good source for Arts & Crafts or Art Nouveau style >stainless flatware, tell me, too! >Lauren > > > > >>From: Lavolta Press >> >> > If anyone wants to email me with > > >>suggestions for brands/design names, or sources, feel free. For that >>matter I wouldn't mind Arts & Crafts or Art Nouveau style stainless >>steel flatware. >> >>Thanks to everyone who helped in the Great Mug Hunt. >> >>Fran >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 13:45:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PHjORM010963 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PHhRd5012534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5PHhNS6096786; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50605.mail.yahoo.com (web50605.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5PHgiS6096224 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040625174212.7770.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.49.146.76] by web50605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:42:12 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406251659.i5PGx7S6061887@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What I (Will Do) On My Holidays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *Wedding dress, bride's stepdaughter and Maid of Honour's bodice due: Oct 4 *Continuing my research into producing the jewelry in the painting "Bella Nani" http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BellaNani1560.jpg the ultimate end goal is to more or less have a complete costuming that has direct resemblance to this painting, down to the hand made shoes anticipated end date: Sept 20 for the dress and other textile garments, November for the metalworking *Searching for, and eventually applying the jewel work on "A Portrait of a Lady in White" http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/RobustiWhite.jpg Again, with the goal of completing the entire costume. I am entertaining the idea of making punto in aria lace for the sleeve cuffs. Anticipated end date: November *Finish the second of two shoes I am making, using the "Red Bay" slipper pattern. End date: soon *Continue my research on the period construction of Dolbadarn Castle in Gynfydd, Wales. The ultimate goal of the project is a 3 dimensional digital reconstruction fly through based on existing land surveys, current archaeological data, and architectural practices during the period of its construction. Pie in the sky anticipated end date: November *a major gardening project in my backyard that includes taking apart an 11x5 foot ornamental pond and accompanying 3 tonne limestone waterfall that has shattered so badly there is little chance of repair, then turning the stones into a raised sand box for my daughter and foot stone for the deck steps, a flag path and adding a shade tree nearby, a pergola to partially shade the sandbox, then creating a garden in the old pond hole. end date: when a miracle comes my way! From: "Molly Boone" ...Trying to stay sane ~There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. I tripped over it a few years back I think maniac fits my description... possibly glutton for punishment? :-) Kathy --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 25 22:59:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5Q2xDRM013425 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:59:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5Q2vGd5001958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5Q2utS6055103; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f19.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5Q2uqS6055010 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:56:46 -0700 Received: from 129.244.96.43 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:56:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.43] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:56:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 02:56:46.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[37DD6720:01C45B29] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Heather Rose Jones >And someone told me that one of the cutting diagrams in Harmand is this >garment, but I >haven't taken the time to correlate it precisely. Harmand is: Harmand, >Adrien. 1929. Jeanne d'Arc: ses costumes, son armure. Lib. Ernest >Leroux, Paris. >(Be aware that many of the cutting diagrams in Harmand are speculative, >rather than being taken >from actual garments.) Having read the Harmand and closely examining the diagrams, barring any further evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to assume that Harmand is the source for the diagrams that show up elsewhere :) Marc _________________________________________________________________ >From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 26 12:59:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5QGxvRM010509 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5QGvbd5011870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5QGvRS6049495; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-f14.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.49.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5QGvOS6049424 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from flonzy@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:57:19 -0700 Received: from 172.173.79.144 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:57:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.173.79.144] X-Originating-Email: [flonzy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: flonzy@hotmail.com From: "james barker" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:57:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2004 16:57:19.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[A490F420:01C45B9E] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather this is great information thank you. Vicki the images on master Cads site are very helpfull, I can see the constuction lines in it very well thanks. James From: Heather Rose Jones Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume , h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for info on the Charles the VI pourpoint Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:49:20 -0700 At 10:36 AM -0400 6/24/04, james barker wrote: >Hi I am new to the list but I hear there are some seriously good >researchers here and I need some help. > >I am looking for images of the actual garment and or line drawings of the >pieces of the Charles the VI of France pourpoint. All I have is the front >photo and a tiny photo of it on a dummy and I would really like to see some >detail so I came make a nice reproduction. This garment is annoyingly elusive in the literature. I've only personally seen a photo of it in: Le coton et la mode - 1000 ans d'aventures. 2000. Musée Galliera, musee de la ville de Paris. My notes on it (since I wasn't able to buy the copy I saw it in) are: p.19 - pourpoint de Charles VI le Bien-Aimé, dernier quart du XIVe siecle, Chartres, musee des Beaux-Arts, cat no 7 [of this exhibition - the museum inventory no is 2895], lampas de soie rouge, matière de renbourrage, coton; H 69cm red looks like silk monochrome brocade, quilted vertically, scalloping at hem, sleeves have very shallow inset, buttoned up front, wadded with cotton I've also been pointed to (but haven't had a chance to look up): Schoeffer-Masson, Marie. 1998 'Le pourpoint dr Charles de Bloix daté d'avant 1364. Remarques, comparaison et restauration; in Interdisciplinary Approach about Studies and Conservation of Medieval Textiles, Actes du congrès ICOM du comité de conservation, Palerme, 1998. And someone told me that one of the cutting diagrams in Harmand is this garment, but I haven't taken the time to correlate it precisely. Harmand is: Harmand, Adrien. 1929. Jeanne d'Arc: ses costumes, son armure. Lib. Ernest Leroux, Paris. (Be aware that many of the cutting diagrams in Harmand are speculative, rather than being taken from actual garments.) And that's all I've been able to track down so far. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 27 18:01:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5RM1qRM032020 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:01:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RM0qd5011397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RM0eS6049277; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RM0ZS6049219 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sewinggoddess@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.59 ([204.127.135.59]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20040627220024113001l12ie>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:00:24 +0000 Received: from [24.26.111.46] by 204.127.135.59; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:00:29 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:00:29 +0000 Message-Id: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 27 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2V3aW5nZ29kZGVzc0BhdHQubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO even for a time when we're quiet this is unusual. Just a post to see if I get anything..... Testing 1.. 2.. 3.... Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 27 18:52:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5RMq4RM032234 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RMpUd5014894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:51:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RMpSS6074612; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RMpQS7074596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5RN1iHN020147 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:01:46 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040627154337.00b872e0@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:51:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test In-Reply-To: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A 0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh durn'd Lady, I was peacefully snoring away a pleasant Sunday afternoon and you had to blow your blasted air-horn! Whadaya wanna talk about? I had a marvelous time learning about German Ren garb at Collegium Nebularium (West, Mists, Teufelberg Shire) yesterday. Knowledgeable instructors and good lectures. I now know *much* more about waffen-and-other-kind-of-rocken and how to drape an Italianate bodice and how to make a Puff 'n Slash German Sleeve and spent two glorious hours learning about the of history of German women's garb from 1490 to 1540. Ooo La! Katie Does anybody know how 'authentic' Petruchio's garb was in the Burton/Taylor version of Taming of the Shrew? Gloriousl Gaudy Garb!!! Katie At 10:00 PM 6/27/2004 +0000, you wrote: >even for a time when we're quiet this is unusual. Just a post to see if I >get anything..... > >Testing 1.. 2.. 3.... > >Crissy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 27 19:02:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5RN2ERM032283 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RN0fd5015502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RN0dS6079016; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [12.17.11.130]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5RN0aS6078991 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (ddu138-163.xecu.net [216.127.138.163]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.0.6) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:06:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c45c9a$8b72ebe0$a38a7fd8@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:00:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lillian Dache X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a link to my Lillian Dache hat on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8114789774&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 301-694-8950 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 27 21:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5S1AKRM000493 for ; 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Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:12:41 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:12:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> In-Reply-To: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200406272112.41318.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 27 June 2004 06:00 pm, sewinggoddess@att.net wrote: > even for a time when we're quiet this is unusual. Just a post to see if I > get anything..... > > Testing 1.. 2.. 3.... > Your connection is fine; it's just very, very quiet on the list. -- Cathy Raymond "A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies." -Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 27 21:21:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5S1LuRM000542 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S1K7d5023943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S1K5S6045001; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S1K2S6044952 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:20:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id A5ADC5CC836; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (webmail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.62]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 927AC5CC260 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.93.211.226 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1213.198.93.211.226.1088385604.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.226 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I) In-Reply-To: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> References: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I tried going to the web site at the bottom of the messages and can't find how to go to nomail. is that an option for this list? if so, could someone send me the link? thanks, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 27 21:25:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5S1PeRM000562 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S1Nld5024152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S1NkS6046699; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S1NgS6046620 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-112.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.246.112]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 582BB42AA9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:23:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c45cae$ffc0b220$70f671cb@chris> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:26:47 +1000 Organization: Australian Costume Supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's when you don't get stuff around Christmas that you have to worry, -C. > even for a time when we're quiet this is unusual. Just a post to see if I get anything..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 01:12:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5S5CJRM001425 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:12:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S5AUd5006481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S5AKS6087177; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5S5AIS6087150 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (s3-8664); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:10:17 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO Cyhiraeth) (69.4.130.33) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:10:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c45cce$333c1350$0a00a8c0@Cyhiraeth> From: "Joan Broneske" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:10:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-74 ip=69.4.130.33 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lederhosen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone on the list know where I could find a pattern to make lederhosen? (the shorts kind that are worn at folk festivals) Thanks, . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 01:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5S5wdRM001625 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:58:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S5w3d5008875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S5w0S6008506; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5S5vwS6008468 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix, from userid 8) id A736D5CCBB7; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floodcity.net (dialup-0493.floodcity.net [198.93.212.239]) by mail.floodcity.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90755CCBAA for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40DFB26C.9B8EB2B3@floodcity.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:53:48 -0400 From: Kitty Felton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com><1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net><200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com><40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net><001901c449de$b30dcd10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1> <1352.198.93.213.7.1086317843.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <00a301c449ec$7da9b540$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've set this list to no mail so I can work on my computer, but I am deleting emails right and left and will forget to offer this question. where do you find light wools to use for summer dresses. We live in a very muggy area, and I am very heavy so I don't want to be hot and sweaty, but I heard wool could be cool if it was very fine and I do like wool so I am interested. if you could, please include this address in the to section of your reply so I will recieve your answer, basyefelton@floodcity.net I am recieving individual emails through my hubby's computer, but I went to nomail on all my lists. thanks, Kitty Shane & Sheridan wrote: > > I always wash/dry the heck out of the wool before I sew with it, shrinkage > seems to depend on how much of a twist the thread that makes up the weave > has, and the weave itself. > > I love how lightly fulled wool feels when it comes out of the dryer, often > it is much softer than I expected. But then I'm just a wool junkie. :-) I'll > happily wear it year-round. > > Sheridan > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) > > > wow, that's amazing! I wonder where my info came from? I know > > traditionally it would shrink. think they treat most wool now to control > > shrinkage? well, whatever. I guess it's a matter of trial and error. > > I think if I wanted to wash and dry a wool garment I would test drive a > > half yard or so. just to see what it did. Kitty > > > > > > > Hi! I used to never wash my wool until my (ex)husband threw one of my > > > gowns in the washer and dryer. I discovered that it didn't shrink, even > > > though is was 100% wool. That's when I decided to think more about what > > > I wanted to make with it, when it came to deciding whether or not to > > > wash my wool or not. For example: wash and dry on hot settings to > > > 'felt' the wool for my cape. Also my summer gowns were washed and dried > > > on hot settings and they barely shrank at all. > > > > > > When I make modern suits, I don't prewash my wool at all, since I know > > > that my suits will be dry cleaned anyways. I put too much > > > infrastructure into the suit pieces to risk having all that hand work > > > for the lapels, sleeve head support and other support touches ruined in > > > the washer and dryer. > > > > > > But maybe my experiences with washing and drying wool are just flukes > > > peculiar to me? I dunno, but whatever, it just seems to work for me. > > > > > > Happy Stitching! > > > Emer/Gia > > >> > > >> but doesn't wool need to be either a blend or treated with > > >> formaldahyde to make it washable without shrinking? > > >> > > >> Kitty > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> h-costume mailing list > > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 08:08:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SC8HRM029998 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SC7Nd5025930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SC7BS6081451; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SC77S6081408 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09368; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:10:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:10:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List , Kitty Felton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) In-Reply-To: <40DFB26C.9B8EB2B3@floodcity.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Kitty Felton wrote: > where do you find light wools to use for summer dresses. You need worsted wool or "tropical" wool, such as that used for summer suitings. It usually comes in men's suit colors (grey, navy, black, pinstripe) but sometimes you can find it in other colors. I have found good worsted wool in several places: -- At high-end fabric stores, such as G Street or Vogue; often expensive. -- At Hancock's and (sometimes) JoAnn's, normally in the $15-20/yard range but often stuck on the clearance racks in midwinter or spring. Be sure it's 100% wool. -- On eBay, as low as $6/yard. -- The best choice: http://www.fashionfabricsoutlet.com . I work for the brick-and-mortar store associated with this site, but we rarely get the nice-color worsteds, which sell well online. Be sure you don't buy a stretch wool, and if the wool you do get has lycra in it (I've seen manufacturer labels be wrong, and whatever is on the label is what goes on the site) you can return it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 08:20:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SCKnRM030053 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SCIxd5027370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SCIwS6087531; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt7.ihug.co.nz (grunt7.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.47]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SCIuS6087430 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p161-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.161] by grunt7.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bev5u-0006ox-00; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:43 +1200 Message-ID: <003c01c45d0a$07d433a0$a1c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <15f.304814d6.2df0ce8d@aol.com><1499.198.93.212.248.1086292789.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net><200406032044.54364.cathy@thyrsus.com><40BFD95B.FC1A0566@floodcity.net><001901c449de$b30dcd10$b7f51018@archaeosoft1><1352.198.93.213.7.1086317843.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net><00a301c449ec$7da9b540$cb6afea9@sherry> <40DFB26C.9B8EB2B3@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:32 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > where do you find light wools to use for summer dresses. We live in > a very muggy area, and I am very heavy so I don't want to be hot and > sweaty, but I heard wool could be cool if it was very fine and I do like > wool so I am interested. The wool I used for my Anna Meyer dress is a very very light gauzy wool that was actually a last bolt deal on some Ralph Lauren fabric;) http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/annameyer.htm They had some even finer in an olivey green last time as well. It is really rather cool, but warmer than say cotton or linen in the same weight. I need to line my bodice in somehting else really, I think thats the main reason it's not completely winter-summer convertable;) I didn't full my wool,simply because I could not afford more than I bought and couldn't risk losing fabric from shrinkage for a little fulling. Which would have ruined the way it drapes and pleats anyway. This pleats beautifully. I haven't ironed the pleats in my skirt yet, but at the waist they are fairly well pressed simply from being sewn down;) The weave is so lovely, absolutely perfect for embroidering as it's so even. As to where to hunt them down regularly.. no idea. I suspect you'd just need to ask around your local stores and search for tropical weight wool online. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 08:53:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SCrARM030177 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:53:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SCpMd5029376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SCpKS6004403; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5SCpHS7004317 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SAVSMTP 3.1.0.29) with SMTP id M2004062808510830398 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:51:08 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i5SCp48Q012732 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f001c45d0e$99bc3430$5ca810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> <200406272112.41318.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:51:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] British India 1906ish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I need images of Brisih military uniforms for early 20th cent. Would also like to know what the women wore. My guess is that it would be the same as England but in Indian cottons? Thanks for any help. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 09:04:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SD4bRM030251 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:04:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SD45d5000261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SD45S6011209; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SD43S6011157 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a251.in-tch.com [66.62.107.51]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5SCdYg24938 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E01827.3040803@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:07:51 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've gotten nice stuff from G-street fabrics, back in the good old days (tm), when they still had a website. A brick red, like a good madder color, and a camel-tan. Both tropical-weight. You can also get nice wools from a Portland, OR SCA Merchant, Pastische. I got almost 9 yards of a garnet-colored fine wool from them a few weeks ago. It's not gauzy, but it's very light weight--a light shirt weight rather than dress or pant weight. I've got at least 4 different historical periods arguing over which one gets the fabric (12th c. French, 14th c French or English [fitted gown], 15th c. Italian, or 16th c. Flemish). A friend got some creamy-white wool gauze from them light enough to make veils from. I went back for some of that myself, but it was all gone :( They don't have a website yet, but I was told that they're working on one. --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Kitty Felton wrote: > > >> where do you find light wools to use for summer dresses. > > > You need worsted wool or "tropical" wool, such as that used for summer > suitings. It usually comes in men's suit colors (grey, navy, black, > pinstripe) but sometimes you can find it in other colors. > > I have found good worsted wool in several places: > > -- At high-end fabric stores, such as G Street or Vogue; often expensive. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 09:11:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SDBNRM030338 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDAGd5000584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDADS6014319; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu (uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.167]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SD9gS6014019 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from david_serxner@ncsu.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i5SD9XIK013802 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13783-01 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncsu.edu (acq-gss4421.lib.ncsu.edu [152.1.24.106]) by uni04mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i5SD9WdO013791 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40E01893.2000709@ncsu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:09:39 -0400 From: David Serxner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] British India 1906ish References: <062720042200.4178.40DF437D000A0AD60000105221602806519C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> <200406272112.41318.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00f001c45d0e$99bc3430$5ca810ac@Kate> In-Reply-To: <00f001c45d0e$99bc3430$5ca810ac@Kate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate: Try: 020 0906671426 100 Battye, Evelyn, Cecil Elgee 245 Costumes and characters from the British raj 260 Exter, England : Webb & Bower, 1982 This is one of my favourite periods in the history of the Raj. David Kate Pinner wrote: >I need images of Brisih military uniforms for early 20th cent. Would also >like to know what the women wore. My guess is that it would be the same as >England but in Indian cottons? >Thanks for any help. >Kate > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 09:15:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SDFFRM030355 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:15:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDD7d5000802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDD6S6015915; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDD3S7015884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SDBQOJ029815 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:11:26 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40E0195F.8050207@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:13:03 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool References: <40E01827.3040803@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <40E01827.3040803@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A great resource is this book: All About Wool: Fabric Dictionary and Swatchbook (Fabric Reference Ser.; Vol. 3)) by Julie Parker Description from the Amazon.com website The third volume in Julie Parker's Fabric Reference Series explains the different fabrics made from wool and similar fibers, using plain English instead of confusing technical jargon. A detailed description of each fabric is illustrated with a real cloth sample, right there on the same page, which clarifies in the simplest way what a boiled wool, crepe, gabardine or whipcord actually looks and feels like. A comprehensive introduction covers characteristics of the fiber, history of wool, breeds of sheep and other wool-bearing animals (such as camels and goats), types of wool, the main sources of wool, the wool textile industry, industry trends and how to judge quality. The introduction is followed by two-page descriptions of the main fabric types, each illustrated with a 2-1/2" x 4" cloth sample and simple black-and-white drawings. In the back of the book, space is provided for the reader to collect additional samples and record personal notes, followed by a list of mail-order sources, glossary, bibliography and index. The fabric samples are packaged separately, layered in the same order as they appear in the book. It takes only a few minutes to mount the samples to the book's pages, using double-stick tape or a small spot of glue. Instructions are included. Samples include 30 wool fabrics and 5 specialty hair fibers, in this order: blanket cloth, boiled wool, boucl, cavalry twill, challis, coating, crpe, Donegal tweed, double cloth, double knit, felt, flannel (woolen), flannel (worsted), gabardine, glen plaid, Harris tweed, herringbone, homespun, houndstooth, jacquard, jersey, loden cloth, melton, menswear suiting, novelty suiting, plaid, satin, tropical suiting, tweed, whipcord, alpaca, angora rabbit, camel's hair, cashmere and mohair. All About Wool is packed with information about the different weaves, yarns and finishes used to make wool fabrics. Terms such as woolen, worsted, merino wool, superfine wool and lamb's wool are clearly explained. A must for anyone who works with or wears wool! The Fabric Reference Series has been featured in Crafter's Choice, a division of Book-of-the-Month Club. Other books in the series include All About Silk, with 32 silk samples, and All About Cotton, with 42 cotton samples. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent A non-smoking section in a restaurant is like a non-peeing section in a pool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 09:53:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SDriRM030602 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:53:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDpvd5003138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:51:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDpsS6036925; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SDpqS6036893 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09986 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:55:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:55:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) In-Reply-To: <40E01827.3040803@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I got almost 9 yards of a garnet-colored fine wool from them a few > weeks ago. It's not gauzy, but it's very light weight--a light shirt > weight rather than dress or pant weight. I've got at least 4 different > historical periods arguing over which one gets the fabric (12th c. > French, 14th c French or English [fitted gown], 15th c. Italian, or 16th > c. Flemish). You probably need suit-weight to do the fitted gown, so that wouldn't be your best choice for this piece. Should make the argument simpler ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 10:35:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SEZVRM030858 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SEXed5006125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:33:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SEXbS6062595; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5SEXZS7062523 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SAVSMTP 3.1.0.29) with SMTP id M2004062810333031181 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:33:30 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id i5SEXT8O017169 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:33:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] British India 1906ish Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90A90FE1@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F9001D29C1F@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO David, Thanx! Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of David Serxner Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] British India 1906ish Kate: Try: 020 0906671426 100 Battye, Evelyn, Cecil Elgee 245 Costumes and characters from the British raj 260 Exter, England : Webb & Bower, 1982 This is one of my favourite periods in the history of the Raj. David Kate Pinner wrote: >I need images of Brisih military uniforms for early 20th cent. Would also >like to know what the women wore. My guess is that it would be the same as >England but in Indian cottons? >Thanks for any help. >Kate > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 12:10:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SGAYRM031498 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:10:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SG9qd5016309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SG9iS6035786; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SG9eS7035732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SGKBHN007429 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:20:15 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040628090819.00b86cd8@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:09:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool In-Reply-To: <40E0195F.8050207@thibault.org> References: <40E01827.3040803@in-tch.com> <40E01827.3040803@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have the silk and wool versions of this book. It is extremely useful for determining what kind of fabric to use for a particular application. Katie At 09:13 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >A great resource is this book: > >All About Wool: Fabric Dictionary and Swatchbook (Fabric Reference Ser.; >Vol. 3)) by Julie Parker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 17:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SLYLRM001273 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:34:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SLXid5021582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SLXWth022036; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web60403.mail.yahoo.com (web60403.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.186]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5SLXSth021918 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from christclaridge@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040628213322.46663.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.67.79] by web60403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:33:22 BST Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:33:22 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christina=20Claridge?= To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] British India X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate, They had a whole tropical uniform set, part of the "official issue". Later on the various patterns became known by small variations, ie 1910 pattern belt. I came across a story from later, the thirties I think that you might be amused by. Apparently, one of the high ranking soldiers had a servant that starched his uniform (including the official issue shorts) so strongly that when he sat at his desk he first stepped out of them and stood them up in the corner of his office. He commented that as long as he took care not to stand up, no-one ever noticed! Best of luck, Chris ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 19:26:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SNQXRM001759 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:26:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SNPkd5002896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SNPcth003836; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SNPXth003762 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040628232527011001skcse>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:25:27 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This link didn't work for me, but my favorite place to buy lightweight dress wools on line is http://wwww.fashionfabricsclub.com, which might possibly be the same place? Anyway right now through July 9 many of their wools are $8 a yard or less. They have lovely tropicals and suit weights in a variety of colors -- lilacs and roses and reds and greens as well as the more usual grays and blues and browns. Again, watch out for the ones with Lycra, but there are many that are at least MARKED as 100% wool. I've had good luck with the fabrics, though I can't be sure a little rayon hasn't sneaked into some of them. Enjoy! -- Lauren M. Walker > From: Robin Netherton > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Kitty Felton wrote: > >> where do you find light wools to use for summer dresses. > > -- The best choice: http://www.fashionfabricsoutlet.com . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 19:43:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5SNhjRM001870 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SNhDd5004159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SNhAth014062; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SNh7th014021 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13582 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:46:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:46:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Lauren Walker wrote: > This link didn't work for me, but my favorite place to buy lightweight > dress wools on line is http://wwww.fashionfabricsclub.com, which might > possibly be the same place? Yes indeed. I got mixed up with names -- they also use http://www.fashionfabricsonline.com (same site as your link above). The brick-and-mortar store here in town is Fashion Fabrics Outlet, which was what was in my brain when I tried to type. > Anyway right now through July 9 many of their wools are $8 a yard or > less. They have lovely tropicals and suit weights in a variety of > colors -- lilacs and roses and reds and greens as well as the more > usual grays and blues and browns. Again, watch out for the ones with > Lycra, but there are many that are at least MARKED as 100% wool. I've > had good luck with the fabrics, though I can't be sure a little rayon > hasn't sneaked into some of them. Enjoy! The fail-safe test is to drop a small swatch into a small glass jar or dish of bleach and leave it a few hours. (I use a baby food jar.) If the fabric dissolves completely, it's all animal fiber -- wool or silk. (Silk may leave a small residue of seracin.) Other fibers will remain in the cup. If there's just a tiny bit of lycra, this can be hard to find in the bleach -- it may be just a few strands -- so look carefully! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 20:08:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T08CRM001944 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:08:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T07dd5005847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T07ath029030; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T07Qti028908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T05iOJ004161 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:05:44 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40E0B2B8.9090107@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:07:20 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool online References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin wrote: > -- The best choice: http://www.fashionfabricsoutlet.com . I work for the > brick-and-mortar store associated with this site, Lauren Walker wrote: > This link didn't work for me, but my favorite place to buy lightweight dress > wools on line is http://wwww.fashionfabricsclub.com Both of these addresses are failing; perhaps just a temporary weird thing? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 20:13:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T0DZRM001979 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:13:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T0Cwd5006288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T0Cvth032284; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T0Ctth032179 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040629001248011001sjlee>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:12:48 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:11:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool online From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40E0B2B8.9090107@thibault.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i5T0Ctth032179 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Typo: Try reducing fashionfabricsclub.com to just 3 ws http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com > From: Cynthia Virtue > Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:07:20 -0400 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool online > > Robin wrote: > >> -- The best choice: http://www.fashionfabricsoutlet.com . I work for the >> brick-and-mortar store associated with this site, > > Lauren Walker wrote: > >> This link didn't work for me, but my favorite place to buy > lightweight dress >> wools on line is http://wwww.fashionfabricsclub.com > > Both of these addresses are failing; perhaps just a temporary weird thing? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or > Cynthia du Pré Argent > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 21:14:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T1EvRM002245 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T1EKd5010450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T1EFth064647; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f52.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T1EDth064575 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:14:07 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.25 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:14:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.25] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lederhosen Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:14:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 01:14:07.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[60519560:01C45D76] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO the closet thing I could find to lederhosen http://www.1stbavarianonlineshop.com/englisch/index.htm was this Eagle's View Men's Broadfall Drop Front Breeches & Pants pattern. Standard breeches and pants for the Regency man. http://www.songsmyth.com/menspatterns.html Wilhelmina >From: "Joan Broneske" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Lederhosen >Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:10:16 -0700 > >Does anyone on the list know where I could find a pattern to make >lederhosen? (the shorts kind that are worn at folk festivals) > >Thanks, > > . > /' > // > . // > |\//7 > /' " \ > . . . > | ( \ '._ > | '._ ' '. ' > / \'-'_---. ) ) > . :.' > | \ > | . . . . > ' . | | | > \^ /_-': / > / | | '\ .' > / /| | \\ | > \ \( ) // / > \ | | // / > L! ! // / Joan Broneske > [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 21:36:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T1a8RM002337 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:36:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T1ZVd5011937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T1ZSth076258; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5T1ZQth076212 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (s3-12971); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:33:12 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO Cyhiraeth) (69.4.130.33) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:33:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c45d79$5604aef0$0a00a8c0@Cyhiraeth> From: "Joan Broneske" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lederhosen Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-74 ip=69.4.130.33 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the link. I think that might just do the trick, and it even says it has instructions for working with leather. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lederhosen > the closet thing I could find to lederhosen > http://www.1stbavarianonlineshop.com/englisch/index.htm was this Eagle's > View Men's Broadfall Drop Front Breeches & Pants pattern. Standard breeches > and pants for the Regency man. http://www.songsmyth.com/menspatterns.html > > Wilhelmina > > > >From: "Joan Broneske" > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: > >Subject: [h-cost] Lederhosen > >Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:10:16 -0700 > > > >Does anyone on the list know where I could find a pattern to make > >lederhosen? (the shorts kind that are worn at folk festivals) > > > >Thanks, > > > > . > > /' > > // > > . // > > |\//7 > > /' " \ > > . . . > > | ( \ '._ > > | '._ ' '. ' > > / \'-'_---. ) ) > > . :.' > > | \ > > | . . . . > > ' . | | | > > \^ /_-': / > > / | | '\ .' > > / /| | \\ | > > \ \( ) // / > > \ | | // / > > L! ! // / Joan Broneske > > [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 28 23:29:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T3TURM002863 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T3Rid5019845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T3Rcth039230; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay8-f53.bay8.hotmail.com [64.4.27.53]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T3Rath039160 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:27:27 -0700 Received: from 130.102.116.207 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:27:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.102.116.207] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com From: "Cornelia Muncke" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:27:26 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2004 03:27:27.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[008B5310:01C45D89] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Lederhosen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Joan, I don't have a pattern here, but depending on when you need it, I can get my mum to look throught her old Burda magazines (she has them since the 50's, there will definitely be some in there). Other than that, have a look here, maybe there's someone here who can help you: http://www.lederhosenmuseum.de/GBhomepage.htm Hope this helps, Caithlinn _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 00:13:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T4DDRM002966 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4Cdd5022598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4Ccth062780; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4CZth062753 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14996 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:15:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:15:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) In-Reply-To: <40E0EBEF.4010705@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hadn't thought of that! Too light-weight to take the stresses placed on > it? or just not enough weight to hang properly, etc.? Both, I think. The linen lining does most of the work, but the outer layer does some, and you don't want it to look flimsy stretched over the top. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 00:13:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T4DIRM002969 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T47jd5022331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T47hth060257; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T47dth060212 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a239.in-tch.com [66.62.107.39]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5T3hAg07053 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E0EBEF.4010705@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:11:27 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hadn't thought of that! Too light-weight to take the stresses placed on it? or just not enough weight to hang properly, etc.? --sue "too many centuries and never enough clothing" clemenger ;o) Robin Netherton wrote: > You probably need suit-weight to do the fitted gown, so that wouldn't be > your best choice for this piece. Should make the argument simpler ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 00:16:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T4GtRM002979 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4GId5022822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4GFth064646; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5T4GBth064619 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (s3-24278); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:10 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO gateway) (69.4.130.33) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:09 -0700 From: "Joan Broneske" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:Lederhosen Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:17:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-74 ip=69.4.130.33 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That would be very nice of you! I don't need it in any real hurry. My husband and I have just joined a German-American Turnverein and they have events like Oktoberfest and Bock Beer fest, etc. I have made myself a Drndl and he would like some Lederhosen. 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Marna Jean teaches our Parasol Restoration class at the Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com . The class is self paced. The class opened last week as a semester class through Dec. 31. Marna Jean is chatting with the students in this class while making the parasols for the Zorro film. Her deadline for the film is July 15. Marna Jean also made the parasols for the movie Cold Mountain. If you are interested in taking this class, we do suggest you start ASAP because gathering the class supplies does take a while. I purchased an old parasol frame on eBay a few months ago. You just have to watch for them. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 00:38:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5T4cHRM003055 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:38:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4bfd5024147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4beth075724; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5T4bcth075662 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a239.in-tch.com [66.62.107.39]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5T4D8g16997 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E0F2F6.1080707@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:41:26 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wool (was First time Regency) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This might make it *really* easy, since I could have somewhat the same problem with the later-period stuff. I'd first thought that it would be really sweet for German or Flemish, because I could do rolled pleats, and they wouldn't be too bulky. If I made a 12th c. gown out of it, it'd be lovely to wear in September (SCA event--Coronation--and the theme is 12th c. Byzantine-influenced German). I wonder about what to use for the undergown, though...hmmmmm....(sue goes through her mental stash)....I've got some lovely light-weight linen in an off-gold color...hmmm..... --sue "any excuse to fondle fabric" clemenger Robin Netherton wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > >>Hadn't thought of that! Too light-weight to take the stresses placed on >>it? or just not enough weight to hang properly, etc.? > > > Both, I think. The linen lining does most of the work, but the outer layer > does some, and you don't want it to look flimsy stretched over the top. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 11:53:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5TFraRM001374 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TFpRd5003685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TFpJth041225; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TFpGth041069 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from jessie2.webwarren.com (pcp09369147pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [69.141.193.221]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5TFo3W6031899 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:50:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040629114041.064b9938@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:48:24 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Will be in Virginia Beach this weekend X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO is there anyone from the area who'll be around? We're considering heading down tomorrow so I can catch Williamsburg and/or Jamestown Thursday or Friday (we figure Sat-Sun-Mon is going to be ridiculous, crowd-wise, and we have to head back Tuesday), but Frank is thinking on holding off a day unless I can make contact with someone in that area. I'm of course looking for any interesting clothing/costuming stuff, and I actually have a bit of a project to the general US-colonial period: a 1776-ish outfit for a teddy bear who has been accompanying me on *way too many* Libertarian Party functions (he's identical to the bear who's making the renfaire rounds on the teddystravels list and serves as a fitter's model for the patterns I post to that list). Since I get the list on digest, responses off-list will be seen sooner than responses to the list. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 13:16:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5THGURM002285 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:16:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5THEYd5013225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5THERth009933; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5THEIth009834 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 17:13:57 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c45dfc$7179dc90$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "angelalazear" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:13:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Rare book on ABE X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Guys, I've recently located and purchased this book (got it at Moes' in Berkeley for $75). 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Please Help! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to those who may get this more than once. >Subject: [New_England_Rennies] Theft at the VT Faire! Please Help! >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:11:00 -0000 >From: Glori Marie >Reply-To: New_England_Rennies@yahoogroups.com >To: New_England_Rennies@yahoogroups.com > > > >Our good friends at Autumn Tree Productions were the victims of a >theft over the weekend. They lost some $4000 in weapons, armor, garb >and tools. It was stolen while at the Vermont Renaissance Faire. >Information can be found here: > >http://www.gbuonline.com/stolen.html > >Please send any information you have to: > >stolen@autumntreeproductions.com >or stolen@gbuonline.com. > >Please spread the word to any lists you can think of who may be able >to help in this matter. SCA, LARPs, other faires, message boards, >etc. They are going to try to find pictures of all the weapons in our >archives and photos. > >Any help you can give is appreciated. Thanks. > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/New_England_Rennies/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > New_England_Rennies-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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If that fails, send a bribe to faire-l-owner@talker.com. > >See the FAQ for what's appropriate on this list: http://www.mainefaire.com/faire-l-faq.txt > >Sorry for the long footer of this message, it has become necessary. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 14:54:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5TIsWRM002947 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:54:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TIrmd5022892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TIreth010882; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:53:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TIrcth010775 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.bb.41ce4813 (17079) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:53:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last time Robe a la Francaise To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/21/2004 7:56:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Go check it out if you're in the Big Apple. I think it's there until Sept. [or that might be the Modigliani retrospective at the Jewish Museum...also a must see!] The Met exhibit closes Aug. 8, so hurry! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 15:00:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5TJ00RM002964 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:00:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TIwHd5023261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TIwGth014506; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TIvrth014173 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com) Received: from Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.127.4485a99e (4592) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:57:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffsewsstuff@aol.com Message-ID: <127.4485a99e.2e1315a8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:57:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but important - FWD: Theft at the VT Faire! Please Help! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would recommend that the victims of the theft keep a VERY close eye on eBay. The thieves may think that they can anonymously and safely offload the merchandise by auctioning it. eBay has links to report stolen items that are listed for auction: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/stolen.html If they do try to list it, it goes from being a local matter to a Federal Crime. I hope that they are caught and the merchandise recovered! -Tiffany Non vestimentum virum ornat, sed vir vestimentum. ******************************* Reflections*of*Worth http://stores.ebay.com/Reflections-of-Worth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 15:14:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5TJERRM003019 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:14:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TJ7Hd5024107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TJ7Gth021575; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TJ7Cth021462 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1172041 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:07:03 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:06:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last time Robe a la Francaise From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Modigliani exhibit was at Los Angeles County Museum of Art when I was down there last time, but the people in my group wanted to see the textiles and by the time we were finished I didn't get to see Modigliani's work -- I'm still upset about that one. (My fault, I should have been more assertive.) Make certain you get to see it! LynnD Still kicking myself On 6/29/04 11:53 AM, "AnnBWass@aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2004 7:56:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > Go check it out if you're in the Big Apple. I think it's there until Sept. > [or that might be the Modigliani retrospective at the Jewish Museum...also a > must see!] > The Met exhibit closes Aug. 8, so hurry! > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 16:52:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5TKqXRM004048 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TKnEd5004040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5TKnBth096961; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50807.mail.yahoo.com (web50807.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5TKn7th096851 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from albrakat7@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040629204902.4301.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.201.201.30] by web50807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:49:02 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rare book on ABE To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001501c45dfc$7179dc90$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you SOOO much for mentioning this, Angela-----I've been trying to get that book for YEARS. Just put my order in a little while ago-----I'm sure the bookseller is going to be inundated , though---so wish me luck---- Albra angelalazear wrote: Guys, I've recently located and purchased this book (got it at Moes' in Berkeley for $75). I know it's a title that often comes up on the list. They have it in the Netherlands for $100 US. angela +++++++++++++++++++ Dear Madam/Sir, The following title has just been imported into the ILAB-LILA database. This title corresponds with the criteria you filled into our wants database. ============================================================= Author: Herald,Jacqueline. Title : Renaissance dress in Italy 1400-1500. Price : EUR 100.00 to view the full description or to order, click on the link: http://www.ilabdatabase.com/php/detailindex.php3?booknr=127343988&lang= This title is offered by: Antiquariaat A. Kok & Zn. B.V. NETHERLANDS http://www.nvva.nl/kok ============================================================= +++++ Angela F. 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Mail is new and improved - Check it out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 21:08:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5U18ORM006565 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U16Ld5025657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U16Cth055535; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U16Ath055484 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.c0.105a46e7 (25711) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:05:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] bathing dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/24/2004 7:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, wishingonasta60@hotmail.com writes: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/71_Swimwearx.html http://www.agelesspatterns.com/70_Swimwearx.html These look great, but I've had experience before with patterns that are supposedly taken from period illustrations but leave a LOT to be desired. Anyone have experience with these particular patterns? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 29 22:39:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5U2dfRM007489 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U2d8d5001218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U2d4th099279; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U2d2th099254 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.35.202]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 25691862 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:24:49 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bathing dress Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:39:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c45e4b$89a1b190$6601a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've sewn two or three of them.They are not from period illustrations, they are actual period patterns. BUT--they really are for professionals. The instructions are so basic as to be almost useless. If you know what you are doing, they are fine. Also--they are one size only, you may have to make your own alterations. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] bathing dress In a message dated 6/24/2004 7:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, wishingonasta60@hotmail.com writes: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/71_Swimwearx.html http://www.agelesspatterns.com/70_Swimwearx.html These look great, but I've had experience before with patterns that are supposedly taken from period illustrations but leave a LOT to be desired. Anyone have experience with these particular patterns? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 02:30:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5U6UGRM021098 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:30:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U6SDd5015964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U6S4th004693; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U6S2th004680 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from 209-165-41-167.jps.net ([209.165.41.167] helo=stephen) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BfYZd-0004MU-P1; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:28:02 -0700 Message-ID: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: , Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:24:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff6045f7f5a105a863204f17792e38f04644350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.165.41.167 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] PLAID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Look Fabric Dot Com has the Tartan of Teddy's Clan! http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html Forgive me, I had too! Stephen "They moved the Oscars to Sunday, it'll still end on Monday." Billy Crystal. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 03:12:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5U7CBRM003820 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U7AKd5017392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U7AJth024222; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U7A6th024063 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004063007100001200lva7ue>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:10:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:09:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, but if you'd been WAITING for this plaid all your life, THINK how happy you'd be to find it in a nice 100% wool melton!!!! Suitable for re-enacting! Lauren > From: "Stephen Bergdahl" > > Look Fabric Dot Com has the Tartan of Teddy's Clan! > > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html > > Forgive me, I had too! > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 04:05:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5U85aRM004466 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U7xrd5019578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U7xoth044751; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5U7xmth044742 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from susan (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE5AE6E2B8 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <03d901c45e79$18dee0d0$0200a8c0@susan> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:06:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO reenacting what? speaking of teddy, I cleaning and found an old Locus & his Julian May group is on the cover (return of the hunt). Susan in Bellevue. > Yeah, but if you'd been WAITING for this plaid all your life, THINK how > happy you'd be to find it in a nice 100% wool melton!!!! Suitable for > re-enacting! > Lauren > > > > From: "Stephen Bergdahl" > > > > > Look Fabric Dot Com has the Tartan of Teddy's Clan! > > > > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html > > > > Forgive me, I had too! > > > > Stephen > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 06:01:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UA1ORM005786 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:01:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UA0ad5024733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UA0Uth096585; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UA0Oth096485 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:58:49 +0100 From: Teddy To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE96@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: (H-Cost) Thread-Index: AcReA1+R+UH2G5pmTYq0avW1/8En3gAhSBNw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] (H-Cost) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello folks, Just a quick not to say, I'm back. I've (tentatively) resubscribed to the digest version and will see how it goes. If it gets too high traffic I'll have to unsubscribe again - which I don't want to do, since I've missed H-cost a lot in the time I've been unsubbed. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 06:43:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UAhURM006328 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:43:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UAfkd5026249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UAfith015500; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UAfgth015486 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-87-16.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.87.16]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5UAfkpd008580 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:41:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040630034240.0184d830@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:43:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID In-Reply-To: <03d901c45e79$18dee0d0$0200a8c0@susan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >reenacting what? >> Yeah, but if you'd been WAITING for this plaid all your life, THINK how >> happy you'd be to find it in a nice 100% wool melton!!!! Suitable for >> re-enacting! Obvious, isn't it? Something from the 1960s. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 07:11:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UBBdRM006567 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UB9md5027533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UB9gth029254; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UB9Yti029188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UB7sOJ017826 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:07:54 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40E29F6C.5040007@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:09:32 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID References: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> In-Reply-To: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html How... vivid! Hi Teddy! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Do it, Deligate it, or Drop it. -- vew _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 07:12:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UBCtRM006570 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UBCGd5027638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UBCEth030303; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (ip250.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UBBQti029913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:11:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E8BDBC03 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F8ABDBC3B for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <031c01c45e92$8fd95e40$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:08:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] PLAID > Look Fabric Dot Com has the Tartan of Teddy's Clan! > > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html > > Forgive me, I had too! > > Stephen Oh, my EYES! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 07:46:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UBktRM006689 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:46:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UBjBd5029130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UBj9th046494; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UBj5th046389 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.f7.3c7a42f9 (4529) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:44:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 6/30/2004 6:42:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: Obvious, isn't it? Something from the 1960s. A Chanel-style suit. Best with matching blouse and lining. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 08:38:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UCcWRM006953 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:38:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UCbrd5002985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UCboth075951; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:37:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UCbgth075806 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.13]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:33:52 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] (H-Cost) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c45e9e$904d1130$0db00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE96@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2004 12:33:52.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[807C73E0:01C45E9E] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OMG! Welcome back! Try the digest version- cuts down on the total _Number_ of messages.. Hugs, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Teddy Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:59 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] (H-Cost) Hello folks, Just a quick not to say, I'm back. I've (tentatively) resubscribed to the digest version and will see how it goes. If it gets too high traffic I'll have to unsubscribe again - which I don't want to do, since I've missed H-cost a lot in the time I've been unsubbed. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 08:40:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UCetRM006964 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:40:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UCeKd5003174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UCeKth077376; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5UCc6th076068 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040630123800.58756.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:38:00 BST Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:38:00 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] (H-Cost) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE96@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Teddy! How lovely to see you. I've tentatively poked my nose back in as well a couple of weeks ago. *hugs* Nicole --- Teddy wrote: > Hello folks, > > Just a quick not to say, I'm back. > > > > I've (tentatively) resubscribed to the digest version and will see how > it goes. If it gets too high traffic I'll have to unsubscribe again - > which I don't want to do, since I've missed H-cost a lot in the time > I've been unsubbed. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 09:02:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UD2XRM007059 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:02:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UD0Nd5004221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UD0Kth088985; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UD0Hth088936 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m139.in-tch.com [216.166.191.139]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5UCZmg18421 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E2BA47.3030307@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:04:07 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID References: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> In-Reply-To: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dang! I was forwarned by the sentence preceding the link, and I think I burned out my eyeballs on that one anyways! Zowie, but that's bright! --sue Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Look Fabric Dot Com has the Tartan of Teddy's Clan! > > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html > > Forgive me, I had too! > > Stephen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 09:06:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UD6XRM007085 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:06:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UD5xd5004609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UD5uth092336; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:05:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UD5qth092308 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m139.in-tch.com [216.166.191.139]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i5UCfQg20601 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E2BB99.1050404@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:09:45 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] (H-Cost) References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE96@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE96@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, Teddy, welcome back! We've missed you lots, although it hasn't stopped us from talking about you on occasion! ;-D I think you'll find that we're generally quieter now than we were a couple of years ago. Generally. And welcome back to Nicole, as well! --sue Teddy wrote: > Hello folks, > > Just a quick not to say, I'm back. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 09:20:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UDKwRM007152 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UDJqd5005471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UDJnth000507; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UDJkth000403 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:19:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:19:21 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woo Hoo! 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Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 10:19:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UEJ6RM011658 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEH1d5009354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEGvth036514; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:16:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEGpth036441 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:15:20 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] bathing dress To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE9B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] bathing dress Thread-Index: AcReqQO3P1njI+fYRnONeMnCMjt8ggAA2wUw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In a message dated 6/24/2004 7:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wishingonasta60@hotmail.com writes: > http://www.agelesspatterns.com/71_Swimwearx.html > http://www.agelesspatterns.com/70_Swimwearx.html > These look great, but I've had experience before with > patterns that are > supposedly taken from period illustrations but leave a LOT to > be desired. Anyone > have experience with these particular patterns? Never used them, but disappointed that they don't have any mens bathing outfits on offer - I need on made by the end of august and I'm startign to get itnto panic mode about whether I'll find enough time to make it.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 10:35:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UEZWRM015980 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEXed5010578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEXath048338; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5UEXXth048217 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040630143327.43799.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:33:27 BST Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:33:27 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woo Hoo! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Woo Hoo! Teddy and Nicole are back! Nice to see you guys, so when are > you going to post pics of what you have been up to :)? > > Catherine Hi Catherine :-) I haven't been up to much, mainly been writing and not sewing. Besides, I lost so much weight (three sizes) that none of my costumes fits anymore. On the other hand it's an excuse to have another c 1700 corset made! *grins* This time it'll be black and dark red shot silk taffeta and my costumier will also make my mantua smaller over the winter. Right now I drown in it. *laughs* I spent most of my time making my day-to-day clothes smaller and sewing ribbons into all my shirts to tie them in the back. ;-) Nicole ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 10:47:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UElARM016227 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEkSd5011734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEkRth057702; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEkLth057654 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from 209-165-34-019.jps.net ([209.165.34.19] helo=stephen) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BfgLs-00059B-Q8 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:46:21 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c45eb1$1540b100$1322a5d1@stephen> From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:46:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 08dba192340bde6e1a6ab3b9b70940f894f5150ab1c16ac08bb5361f5afbff605d008cc4284c71eb2cca83835f026882350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.165.34.19 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well Teddy said he isn't going to buy some, but I love it too. So what do you all think, Kilt, Houp or an Elizabethan with Purple trim? Stephen I could pay off my tab, pour myself in a cab, And be back to work by two. But at a moment like this I can't help but wonder? What would Jimmy Buffet do? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] PLAID > Look Fabric Dot Com has the Tartan of Teddy's Clan! > > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/aa-765.html > > Forgive me, I had too! > > Stephen > > "They moved the Oscars to Sunday, it'll still end on Monday." > > Billy Crystal. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 10:48:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UEm8RM016233 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEhbdr011413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEKWth039070; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEKSth039019 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:18:43 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] (H-Cost) I'm back! To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE9C@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] (H-Cost) I'm back! Thread-Index: AcReqQO3P1njI+fYRnONeMnCMjt8ggAA+t6A content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > How lovely to see you. I've tentatively poked my nose back in > as well a couple of weeks ago. > > *hugs* Hey Nicole - Yay! Both back on good ol' H-costume! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 10:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UEtxRM016313 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:55:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEt8d5012408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEt4th063857; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50603.mail.yahoo.com (web50603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5UEspth063613 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:54:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040630145445.61228.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.49.146.76] by web50603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:54:45 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but important To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200406301306.i5UD6Mth092612@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, however may the Deities that be help you if something _does_ slip through. Hubby is fighting a losing battle with EBay over a laptop notebook he bought, and everyone from RCMP on down (and across, since it was sold from the US) got involved in this. Doesn't matter. They have their legal loopholes to throw innocent victims out into the street. This will be the second time hubby has been ripped off buying on EBay, and neither of them were satisfactorily resolved. Personally I won't buy anything worth more than $100 there. After that I consider it gambling. Kathy I would recommend that the victims of the theft keep a VERY close eye on eBay. The thieves may think that they can anonymously and safely offload the merchandise by auctioning it. eBay has links to report stolen items that are listed for auction: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/stolen.html If they do try to list it, it goes from being a local matter to a Federal Crime. I hope that they are caught and the merchandise recovered! -Tiffany --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 12:40:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UGeeRM017518 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:40:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UGdKd5023986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UGdFth046534; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UGdCti046503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:39:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-196.sonic.net [209.148.112.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5UGdADF022221 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:39:11 -0700 Message-ID: <40E2EDD6.4050701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:44:06 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bathing dress References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE9B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE9B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's because almost all the Ageless Patterns are from _Harper's Bazar_. Except for occasional undergarments, _Harper's Bazar_ seldom published men's patterns. In general, Victorian and Edwardian pattern publications oriented to dressmakers (home or professional) stressed women's and children's patterns. Publications oriented to professional tailors (a somewhat different skill) stressed men's patterns. Having said that, I can't, offhand, think of an available pattern for a man's Victorian bathing suit. At some times and places in the 19th century, a man's bathing costume consisted of his birthday suit. Volume 2 of our new anthology _Fashions of the Gilded Age_ contains four patterns for women's bathing suits from the 1877-1882 period. Our book _Reconstruction Era Fashions_ contains _Harper's Bazar_ patterns for a woman's bathing cloak and two bathing caps from the 1867-1868 period (no bathing suits because no patterns for them were published in that magazine in those years). Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Teddy wrote: >>http://www.agelesspatterns.com/71_Swimwearx.html >>http://www.agelesspatterns.com/70_Swimwearx.html >>These look great, but I've had experience before with >>patterns that are >>supposedly taken from period illustrations but leave a LOT to >>be desired. Anyone >>have experience with these particular patterns? >> >> > >Never used them, but disappointed that they don't have any mens bathing >outfits on offer - I need on made by the end of august and I'm startign >to get itnto panic mode about whether I'll find enough time to make >it.... > >Teddy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 20:44:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i610i7RM027793 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i610gCd5011693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i610g1th088581; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i610fwth088506 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p55-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.119] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bfpe6-0000fQ-00; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:41:47 +1200 Message-ID: <002601c45f04$2ee0d150$77a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040630123800.58756.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (H-Cost) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:41:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We've all been sneaky, as I've been back about a week now I suppose;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com > Hi, Teddy! > > How lovely to see you. I've tentatively poked my nose back in as well a couple > of weeks ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 22:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i612OGRM029855 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i612NQd5018329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i612NEth032974; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i612N7th032894 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m224.in-tch.com [216.166.191.224]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i611wbg04093 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E37671.7080008@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:26:57 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID References: <008701c45e6b$77f3e240$a729a5d1@stephen> <003301c45eb1$1540b100$1322a5d1@stephen> In-Reply-To: <003301c45eb1$1540b100$1322a5d1@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For you? A Houp. The more nasty fabric, the better! And you could do a hat picking up one of the more obnoxious tints (I'm envisioning one of those big, floppy chaperon things that are hoods-with-liripipes turned sideways). More me, I think it's got to be that turquoise/pink combination, with a matching solid color, or course, worked into one of those rare cotehardie/fitted gowns that have the half-plaid/half solid appearance, and the plaid's on the bias. heh, heh, heh.... I'm large enough that it'll look like a fabric store barfed on a couch, but it'd be great to wear for certain mornings at camping events..... --sue, in a mood to do something twisted Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Well Teddy said he isn't going to buy some, but I love it too. So what do > you all think, Kilt, Houp or an Elizabethan with Purple trim? > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 22:41:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i612f5RM030221 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i612eOd5019426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i612eMth040779; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i612eKth040766 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m224.in-tch.com [216.166.191.224]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i612Fsg10038 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <40E37A7D.8040509@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:44:13 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] (H-Cost) References: <20040630123800.58756.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> <002601c45f04$2ee0d150$77a176cb@michaela> In-Reply-To: <002601c45f04$2ee0d150$77a176cb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Geez, it's turning into Auld Home Week! --sue, glad to see old friendly faces..... michaela wrote: > We've all been sneaky, as I've been back about a week now I suppose;) > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > >>Hi, Teddy! >> >>How lovely to see you. I've tentatively poked my nose back in as well a > > couple > >>of weeks ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 30 23:29:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i613TqRM031087 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i613SXd5022754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:28:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i613Ruth061079; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i613Rrth061026 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004070103274701400oatsoe>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:27:47 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PLAID Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:25:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <40E37671.7080008@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I no longer consider myself evil in some of the horrendous things I have made. I bow to a more cruel mind. Molly *still twitching just from the mental image* ~There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. I think I tripped over it a few years back -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:27 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLAID For you? A Houp. The more nasty fabric, the better! And you could do a hat picking up one of the more obnoxious tints (I'm envisioning one of those big, floppy chaperon things that are hoods-with-liripipes turned sideways). More me, I think it's got to be that turquoise/pink combination, with a matching solid color, or course, worked into one of those rare cotehardie/fitted gowns that have the half-plaid/half solid appearance, and the plaid's on the bias. heh, heh, heh.... I'm large enough that it'll look like a fabric store barfed on a couch, but it'd be great to wear for certain mornings at camping events..... --sue, in a mood to do something twisted Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Well Teddy said he isn't going to buy some, but I love it too. So what do > you all think, Kilt, Houp or an Elizabethan with Purple trim? > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 1 00:02:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6142oRM031617 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:02:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6142Bd5024868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i61425th075119; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i61423th075071 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp01.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.121]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAQHDEDAHKYJYA for (sender ); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12704 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 04:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.0.229) by smtp01.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 04:00:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c45f1f$93a49c00$e500bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:55:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2660491145 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofxEhQI9fXkICRk3yl57VgFf/rp/3akzM0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bronze age celts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i6142oRM031617 Status: RO Hi, I'm new to this list and trying to figure out how to navigate through the archives. Wow, what a challenge after a long day! Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, or tips for creating acurate bronze age celtic women's clothing. What I have found so far is vague or general. I'm wondering what type of stitches would be appropriate, how the seams and hems should lay, what designs might be embroidered onto their garments. Any info would be helpful. I see many of you work in the later periods, but I've got my fingers crossed that someone out there has some suggestions. So far the only thing I can nail down is the peplum or chiton style dress out of wool or linen, of course. Thanks for your thoughts! Susy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 1 00:04:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6144QRM031643 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6143pd5024997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6143nth075866; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6143bth075761 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kat@grendal.rain.com) Received: from KATHOUSE (ip10.131.du.eli.iinet.com [67.136.131.10]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BAD6E3C2 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:03:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] (H-Cost) I'm back! Message-ID: <40E32AA2.24374.341547B3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401902FE9C@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hey Nicole - Yay! Both back on good ol' H-costume! > > Teddy Oh, Teddy. I'm sooooo glad you're back with us. I've almost been tempted (bad Kat, you don't have time!) to sign onto one of the lists you've been on simply because I've missed you. Welcome, back! Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 1 00:19:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i614JBRM031842 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:19:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i614HKd5026001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i614HGth081560; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i614Glth081347 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChcbgWHICE7cfZnqVRTe2WxWvd7Lxg1SWw== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JZE5QQCW; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:16:11 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:19:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] bronze age celts Message-ID: <20040630.231950.-153453295.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-8,14-22,24-42 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Trying to research Bronze Age clothing is definitely a challenge. You'd do well to look at archeological texts that detail digs at period sites. Many of the 'Bog People' are from the Bronze or Iron Age and most of them have some clothing. I'll warn you now, you won't find much concrete on clothing as there just isn't much out there. You could also look in Barber's 'Women's Work: The First 20,000 Years'. You could check out 'The Mummies of Urumchi' which details finds from western China of a group of possibly Celtic related mummies complete with full suits of clothing. Don't assume that embroidery was used as decoration on clothing. To the best of my knowledge there's no surviving evidence for it from the Bronze Age. You may not be able to pin the clothing down to anything as specific as Bronze Age Celt.....you may only get Bronze/Iron Age Nothern European. And remember that in pre-Roman times, the Celtic world covered much of Europe- they were everywhere from Spain to Hungary. Happy Hunting! Karen On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:55:48 -0400 "Susy" writes: > Hi, I'm new to this list and trying to figure out how to navigate > through the archives. Wow, what a challenge after a long day! > > Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, or tips for creating > acurate bronze age celtic women's clothing. What I have found so > far is vague or general. I'm wondering what type of stitches would > be appropriate, how the seams and hems should lay, what designs > might be embroidered onto their garments. Any info would be > helpful. I see many of you work in the later periods, but I've got > my fingers crossed that someone out there has some suggestions. So > far the only thing I can nail down is the peplum or chiton style > dress out of wool or linen, of course. Thanks for your thoughts! > Susy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! 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Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c45f22$3a495df0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <40E37671.7080008@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i614Gmth081384 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] TWISTED: was- PLAID and Welcome back! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO [Sg] Love this image: > I'm large enough that it'll look like a fabric store barfed on a couch, [Sg] I am happy to see some of the old guard back...curious...what made you leave and then come back? I know for Teddy it was mail volume... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 1 00:35:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i614ZVRM032077 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i614Ypd5026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i614Ymth088675; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i614Ylth088646 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAQHFCCAQHAE32 for (sender ); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13154 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 04:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.0.229) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 04:33:38 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c45f24$93908580$e500bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040630.231950.-153453295.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bronze age celts Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:33:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:4058918158 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofxEhQI9fXkID4Ky3dmmgIZx3SOUPWHi8J X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the sources. I'm waiting for my copy of "women's work" to arrive, and I'll have to get my hands on a copy of "the mummies". I've read several references to the embroidery on their tunics, but that may have been early iron age. I've read so much lately I'm starting to see stars! So I'm taking what I can find. I haven't tried "northern European" in my searches, and I feel pretty foolish! Thanks for pointing that out. I've got a small list of archaeological texts to check out that may prove helpful. Just getting impatient to find them. I wish I could afford to order whatever suited my fancy and have at my fingertips! Thank goodness for libraries!! Thanks for your suggestions! Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bronze age celts > Trying to research Bronze Age clothing is definitely a challenge. You'd > do well to look at archeological texts that detail digs at period sites. > Many of the 'Bog People' are from the Bronze or Iron Age and most of them > have some clothing. I'll warn you now, you won't find much concrete on > clothing as there just isn't much out there. You could also look in > Barber's 'Women's Work: The First 20,000 Years'. You could check out 'The > Mummies of Urumchi' which details finds from western China of a group of > possibly Celtic related mummies complete with full suits of clothing. > > Don't assume that embroidery was used as decoration on clothing. To the > best of my knowledge there's no surviving evidence for it from the Bronze > Age. You may not be able to pin the clothing down to anything as specific > as Bronze Age Celt.....you may only get Bronze/Iron Age Nothern European. > And remember that in pre-Roman times, the Celtic world covered much of > Europe- they were everywhere from Spain to Hungary. > > > Happy Hunting! > > > Karen > > > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:55:48 -0400 "Susy" > writes: > > Hi, I'm new to this list and trying to figure out how to navigate > > through the archives. Wow, what a challenge after a long day! > > > > Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, or tips for creating > > acurate bronze age celtic women's clothing. What I have found so > > far is vague or general. I'm wondering what type of stitches would > > be appropriate, how the seams and hems should lay, what designs > > might be embroidered onto their garments. Any info would be > > helpful. I see many of you work in the later periods, but I've got > > my fingers crossed that someone out there has some suggestions. So > > far the only thing I can nail down is the peplum or chiton style > > dress out of wool or linen, of course. Thanks for your thoughts! > > Susy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 1 01:34:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i615YrRM000520 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i615YNd5000878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i615YJth013231; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i615YHth013173 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004070105341101100j1pe1e>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:34:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:33:12 -0400 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i615YHth013173 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robe from V&A X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I want to make a version of the robe pictured here: http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20030411/high/1300-003.jpg which is described thus: Object: Robe Date:18th century Techniques: Cotton, printed, painted and dyed Artist/designer: Unknown Place: Burhanpur, India Dimensions: Height 105 cm Museum Number: IM.312-1921 I have not seen a robe like this in my limited experience of 18th century North American and English clothing, and I don't remember seeing it on my much-too-brief afternoon at the V&A five years ago. Unfortunately I just can't see enough in this photo! I can see that the bodice appears to be pieced; I can see enough to adore the way the diagonal of the print is used in making the collar; I am envious of the block-printed ties; I can see where it closes on the right-hand side (obvious on the bodice, but also apparent in the skirts). What I cannot see is how or where the bodice is seamed. Is there anyone out there who has seen this garment, or seen ones like it, who might offer a thought on this issue? There are some ways -- the neck line and the way the center front hem hangs a little shorter than the sides, for insance -- in which it reminds me of the infamous 18th C Garsault bed gown. That *could* support the idea that the top half of the sleeves is cut in one with the bodice -- it looks that way to me, does it to you? -- which would, in turn, suggest side seams at the natural side, rather than toward the back. But I really can't tell. Also can't tell if the bodice back would be pleated. SO: Does anybody know this garment? Can anyone offer any clues? Thanks for any light you can shed! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 1 01:54:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i615sxRM000818 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:54:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i615sFd5002037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i615sDth020671; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i615sBth020647 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:54:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-68-164-169-228.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.169.228] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BfuWP-0007Bz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:54:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040630.231950.-153453295.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> References: <20040630.231950.-153453295.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:51:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] bronze age celts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.72, clamav-milter version 0.72 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i615sBth020647 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen the original posting of this, but it looks like the whole original is included so I won't worry about it. At 11:19 PM -0500 6/30/04, seamstrix@juno.com wrote: >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:55:48 -0400 "Susy" >writes: >> Hi, I'm new to this list and trying to figure out how to navigate >> through the archives. Wow, what a challenge after a long day! >> >> Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions, ideas, or tips for creating >> acurate bronze age celtic women's clothing. Do you have a particular archaeologico-cultural context in mind as a target? I ask partly because I want to make sure we're working within the same definitions of "Bronze Age" and "Celtic". The earliest culture that's pretty uniformly agreed-upon as "definitely Celtic" is Hallstadt, but it's firmly early Iron Age rather than Bronze Age. While the actual local technology is the final arbiter, in Europe you generally finding the Bronze Age label fading out around 1000 BCE and the Iron Age taking over at that point. The Hallstadt label tends to apply from ca. 700-450 BCE and the grave goods associated with that culture are solidly Iron Age. There's a general sense that there are cultural connections between Hallstadt culture and the Bronze Age Urnfield culture ... but there's much less agreement that the Urnfield culture should be labelled "Celtic" in any meaningful sense of the term. Certainly if you're thinking of the cultures associated with prototypical "Celtic art", you're thinking of Iron Age cultures: Hallstadt or the later La Tene. If you're looking to work from Urnfield culture, then there's next to nothing to work from for textiles, as one feature of the culture was cremation burials. On the other hand, there _are_ Bronze Age cultures for which we have excellent and extensive clothing evidence. The most familiar are the Danish Bronze Age burials (with excellent textile preservation due to damp and acidic conditions). But it often gets forgotten that much of the early surviving Egyptian material is also technically Bronze Age (e.g., Tutankhamen). Since Egyptologists tend to date material much more precisely by dynasties that only apply locally, it tends to be easy to lose track of how that material corresponds to the European survivals. (Tutankhamen is, for all practical purposes, a contemporary of the Danish burials at Egtved, Trindhoj and Borum Eshoj.) I've got an annotated bibliography on the Danish Bronze Age material that I've posted previously that you might find useful depending on what angle you're working on. (But the extent of Urnfield culture doesn't overlap with the Danish material, so it would be hard to make even a tenuous connection between the Danish material and "Celts".) If you're aiming, instead, at more of a Hallstadt target, the evidence is less delightfully complete than the earlier Danish material, but there's still something to work from. The two types of survivals come from grave goods (generally fairly fragmentary and of uncertain purpose) and items misplaced in the salt mines (generally preserved relatively whole and in good condition due to the salt). An extensive discussion of some of the first group can be found in: Banck-Burgess, Johanna. 1999. Hochdorf IV: Die Textilfunde aus dem späthallstattzeitlichen Fürstengrab von Eberdingen-Hochdorf (Kreis Ludwigsburg) und weitere Grabtextilien aus Hallstatt- und latènezeitlichen Kulturgruppen. Konrad Theiss Verlag, Stuttgart. ISBN 3-8062-1453-0 I don't know of a good single source for the salt mine finds, but I've run into individual descriptive articles on some of them. I hesitate to start dumping extensive lists of publications yet, until I have a more certain idea of which items are going to come closest to your interests. Much of the published material is on relatively small fragments that shed light on textile technology but don't provide much information on clothing structures. Moving more into the La Tene era for the Celts (i.e., roughly 5th c. BCE to 1st c. CE) we again hit the question of "who gets to be a Celt". There's a delightful amount of surviving Iron Age clothing from what is now northern Germany (see e.g. Karl Schlabow's exhaustive "Textilfunde der Eisenzeit"), although largely from the first few centuries CE rather than what would correspond to the earlier part of La Tene culture. But whether this material could reasonably be called "Celtic" is open for enthusiastic debate. > What I have found so >> far is vague or general. I'm wondering what type of stitches would > > be appropriate, how the seams and hems should lay, The micro-structure -- weave types and seam types -- is better evidenced than the macro-structure (clothing cuts/designs). > what designs >> might be embroidered onto their garments. Any info would be >> helpful. I see many of you work in the later periods, but I've got >> my fingers crossed that someone out there has some suggestions. So >> far the only thing I can nail down is the peplum or chiton style > > dress out of wool or linen, of course. Thanks for your thoughts! Your mention of the peplum/chiton style suggests that the image you have in mind is inspired by Iron Age styles rather than Bronze Age styles. Evidence for this style of garment comes largely from the placement of brooches/fasteners relative to skeletons in graves. There is one surviving tubular garment that most likely represents this style, however it is generally dated to the 1st c. CE and comes once again from Denmark. I'd be delighted to provide some lists of useful publications once I have a better idea of the target. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume