From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 03:29:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i717TbRM031892 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i717RkYF008477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:27:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i717RhfT087316; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i717RdfT087188 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.146.11]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i717REmT022804 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:27:24 +1000 Message-ID: <00aa01c47798$eed223e0$0b92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c4751c$7d525ba0$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting finds Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:27:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Interesting finds > Without checking my sources I think the side saddle was introduced by one of > the Medici's of Elizabeth's time. But you do see the side chairs before > then. What can't figure out is how those ladies rode pillion. > > Sg Well the version I've heard is that there was a pre existing form of side saddle where a woman's body faced at right angles to the horse and then twisted at the waist to face the same way as the horse was facing, Catherine di Medici had a saddle made that allowed her to sit sortof at 45 degrees to the way the horse was facing more like a modern side-saddle. I'm pretty sure there's a reference in one of my books here, I'll let people know if I can find it Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 03:40:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i717e9RM031978 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i717dDYF009149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i717dBfT093110; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i717d7fT093083 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so119339rnk for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 00:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.47 with SMTP id 47mr377462rno; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 00:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040801003937395591@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:39:06 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting finds In-Reply-To: <00aa01c47798$eed223e0$0b92d6cb@ewalpole> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000801c4751c$7d525ba0$6a01a8c0@SG01> <00aa01c47798$eed223e0$0b92d6cb@ewalpole> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok I meant to get back in on this and had to change over to my gmail account so my original answer bounced. It was that the side saddle supposedly did exist really early and the legend as I heard it was that Adelecia of the 1300's fame was the one we have to thank for it. (I had mentioned the Victorian era because the sidesaddle saw it's heaviest use then) Then Catherine de Medici rode side saddle but it was said she also scandalized both the Italians and the French by riding astride (it was said she couldn't get pregnant because she insisted on riding astride amazing how first it's astride then it's sidesaddle that affects pregnancy) Anyhow the first side saddle were supposedly wooden with this little leather pad and really terrible looking. I don't know as if I'd want to ride one. And I've ridden side saddle many a time and even in a hoop and in a bustle many a time. Dunno as if I'd want to try it in the nightmares described in a few books I've read however. B. eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:27:45 +1000, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Well the version I've heard is that there was a pre existing form of side > saddle where a woman's body faced at right angles to the horse and then > twisted at the waist to face the same way as the horse was facing, Catherine > di Medici had a saddle made that allowed her to sit sortof at 45 degrees to > the way the horse was facing more like a modern side-saddle. I'm pretty sure > there's a reference in one of my books here, I'll let people know if I can > find it > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 04:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7187iRM032351 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 04:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7186pYF011255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7186jfT006418; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7186ffT006379 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.146.11]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7186b3x025958 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:06:37 +1000 Message-ID: <00af01c4779e$694b57e0$0b92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:06:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help > > My recommendation for an Early English Tudor gown is Costume Connection > pattern http://www.patternsoftime.com/patterns/Costume_Conn/COS1603W.gif > > This is a very simple pattern that does not require a corset or stays. The > pattern for the bodice pattern is two in pieces and is a close to > Elizabeth's description of the ideal Tudor bodice. > > The pattern adapts is easy to cut, fit, change where you want seams and > closing and work well with other companies sleeve patterns. But looking at the picture the bodice seems to be cut exactly the same as Simplicity's 8881 http://snipurl.com/85oe with curved princess seams to accommodate the rounded bust from wearing modern underwear. Personally I would not be paying $13 plus postage for this pattern when you can apparently get Simplicity's pattern for 99c if you wait for a sale (I don't know what their regular price would be over there in the US). Period portraits don't show a seam over the bust at all and the ideal of the 16th century was to have a cone shaped bodice. If you don't want to have a separate corset Simplicity 8881 has directions for enough boning along the front to make the bodice as rigid as a corset (I read the dress diary of somebody who turned this pattern into a corset), and if you use cable ties this amount of boning should make the bodice rigid enough to support even the most rubenesque woman and if you're not very rubenesque I'd suggest saving money and using cable ties 2-3 inches apart, it usually works best if you have a separate corset because you can use it under many different bodices but a lot of people just bone their bodice instead of wearing a corset. If you want to turn Simplicity 8881 into a Tudor with the full sleeves you need to cut off the sleeve pattern at the elbow, measure the distance from your elbow to your shoulder then cut the turn-back section to that length. this site http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/homepages/tudorcostumes/howtosleeves.html has instructions to create the over-sleeves, but to save fabric I cut my outer sleeves as 2 pieces (of the same fabric) rather than one so where this site shows the lining is cut in two pieces I cut both the inner and the outer sleeve as 2 pieces sew them together and then sew them together exactly the same way this site shows. I also cut my turn-backs in more of a rectangle than a half circle but I'd suggest getting some cheap fabric and experimenting with which looks better. For the under-sleeve this pattern works fairly well to simulate the look, http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/images/velvettudorgown/sleevepattern.jpg I don't know how authentic it is but it recreates the look quite well. Does that help? Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 05:33:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i719X0RM008207 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 05:33:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i719WPYF014966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i719WJfT046353; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:32:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i719WHfT046290 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:32:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004080109321201300bbbjte>; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:32:12 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 05:31:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charmeuse alternative was Just a minor rant. From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408010029.06665.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nope. Must be intrepid and listene to Winston Churchill! Delete the final "s" to make it www.orientalsilk.com and it works. -Lauren > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > On Friday 30 July 2004 1:19 pm, Katy Bishop wrote: > >> Check out www.orientalsilks.com (though they don't show all the colors >> on the website) > > I tried looking for that website just now, but what I reached wasn't a fabric > business; it was a "this domain name was recently bought" kind of placeholder > page. Looks like they got their domain bought out from under them. :-( > >"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue >that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 08:19:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71CJCRM013301 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:19:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71CHQYF002324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 06:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71CHOfT031944; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 06:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71CHMfT031914 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 06:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2inik3p.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.80.121] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BrFHA-0005YH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:17:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200408010525.i715PYfV026448@net.indra.com> References: <200408010525.i715PYfV026448@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:17:11 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: fastusminimus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: loom X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:25 PM -0600 7/31/04, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >Mine is this. I inherited this loom. I never used it. It's sat around >>for about 6 years because I can't use a floor loom. (classes are over >>a grand here) > > >I understand, as I've had a floor loom in the garage for over twelve >years. I hadn't been weaving much for awhile, and when we moved there >wasn't enough room for it in my sewing room so . . . it'll wait till our >next house. I originally learned to weave in college art classes, so >the price was bundled into my regular tuition. At the time it was also >possible to take classes virtually free in community colleges and >community recreation centers. I don't know it that's still true, but a >grand seems too steep to me. Although skill is certainly involved in >weaving, it's mostly manual practice rather than inherent complexity. >They didn't do much in my classes except teach some basic concepts, >provide looms, and turn us loose. It is handy to have someone to help >wind the warp onto the loom. But any nonweaver can do that, it's just a >matter of holding the threads. There are a lot of good books with >weaving patterns you can follow. Hi I can *really* understand the need for cash...but Fran is right, the best way to learn is to just do it. Get a good basic book on weaving, some cotton rug warp (relatively cheep and easy to work with!) And start warping. Weaving place mats and table runners and towels will teach you all of the basics of warping, selvages and beating evenly. And they make good prezzies! So you might consider teaching yourself. I took a short course in college on fibers, but honestly when/where I learned to weave was doing demos--I used a small loom and warped it up for each demo and then wove the cloth off. After a while I could warp it in the AM before leaving for the demo. I did a *lot *of demos--one year every weekend at a Renfaire plus every local medieval event I could get to...but it was the best way to learn! Have you looked around the community to see if there is someone local who could help you get started? Without taking a formal course in weaving? Good Luck Carol, WARNING--now with many more looms and squeezing a 16 harness/60" dobby into the loom room--It's a loong way from the little 4 harness loom....and it can be addicting! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 09:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71DlLRM013926 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71DkkYF005964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 07:46:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71DkgfT073758; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 07:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71DkcfT073727 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 07:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-141-89.kc.rr.com [65.26.141.89]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i71Dka8o019665 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:46:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Button question Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <4c5accc804073120392987962@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The biggest key to selling successfully on Ebay is a good photo. You are definitely going to need to get some better ones, because even if it's a valuable button, you won't get what you deserve for it if your picture is bad. What you need to do is go to your local bookstore and find a button guide, and find the listing for this button. That will give you an idea of what it might be worth. Talia, who has purchased many buttons on Ebay . From the design I'd say 1890's start of the art > movement in Paris. I'd hate to price it too low but I'd also hate to > price it so high to not give it a new home. Anyone got any thoughts?? > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/jacqueline13126/button3.jpg > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/jacqueline13126/button2.jpg > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/jacqueline13126/button1.jpg > > B. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 12:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71GLDRM014945 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GKXYF013814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:20:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GKNfT049801; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GKKfU049773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i71GLC24023885 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:21:13 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charmeuse alternative was Just a minor rant. Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:26:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408011226.59532.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 01 August 2004 5:31 am, Lauren Walker wrote: > Nope. Must be intrepid and listene to Winston Churchill! Delete the final > "s" to make it www.orientalsilk.com and it works. So somebody else on the list advised me. :-) Thanks. In fact, I've been looking at the site just this morning, and it is very cool indeed. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 12:22:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71GM5RM014961 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:22:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GLVYF013866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GLUfT050297; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GKKfU049772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i71GLC23023885 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:21:12 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web hints: Charmeuse alternative was Just a minor rant. Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:38:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408010029.06665.cathy@thyrsus.com> <410C7B5F.8010301@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <410C7B5F.8010301@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408010138.17308.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 01 August 2004 1:10 am, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > >>Check out www.orientalsilks.com (though they don't show all the colors > >>on the website) > > > > I tried looking for that website just now, but what I reached wasn't a > > fabric business; it was a "this domain name was recently bought" kind of > > placeholder page. Looks like they got their domain bought out from under > > them. > > Not always. In fact, most of these that I've run into are usually > someone misremembering the URL. Differences in .org, .net, .com and > such, plus minor spelling mistakes or, in this case, plurals not being > real. > > The domain http://www.orientalsilk.com/ appears to be what you're > looking for. Thanks for the correction. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 12:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71GOGRM014979 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:24:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GNfYF013953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GNffT051322; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GNcfT051267 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m135.in-tch.com [216.166.191.135]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i71GNNY23380 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <410D19FC.5000108@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:27:40 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Knowing that we've been talking a bit, lately, about silk threads, I'm wondering if anyone has ever used the products from this company, which I just ran across playing follow-the-links this morning. --sue, on a quiet, sunny/hazy Sunday morning in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 12:34:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71GYQRM015043 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:34:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GWaYF014520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GWYfT055930; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GWVfT055891 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so125135rnk for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.51 with SMTP id a51mr723909rnb; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc804080109323b1a928b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:32:27 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: loom In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200408010525.i715PYfV026448@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I've already explained once I had books on weaving and even went to local weaving store (we have one here in Oswego) and the guy wanted a grand for his class. And to me that's not worth it. And frankly paying bills and for my son's school clothes is. eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:17:11 -0400, fastusminimus wrote: > Hi > I can *really* understand the need for cash...but Fran is right, the > best way to learn is to just do it. Get a good basic book on weaving, > some cotton rug warp (relatively cheep and easy to work with!) And > start warping. Weaving place mats and table runners and towels will > teach you all of the basics of warping, selvages and beating evenly. > And they make good prezzies! > > So you might consider teaching yourself. I took a short course in > college on fibers, but honestly when/where I learned to weave was > doing demos--I used a small loom and warped it up for each demo and > then wove the cloth off. After a while I could warp it in the AM > before leaving for the demo. I did a *lot *of demos--one year every > weekend at a Renfaire plus every local medieval event I could get > to...but it was the best way to learn! > > Have you looked around the community to see if there is someone local > who could help you get started? Without taking a formal course in > weaving? > > Good Luck > Carol, WARNING--now with many more looms and squeezing a 16 > harness/60" dobby into the loom room--It's a loong way from the > little 4 harness loom....and it can be addicting! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 12:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71GYpRM015048 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GYFYF014603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GYFfT056758; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GYDfT056743 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m135.in-tch.com [216.166.191.135]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i71GY1Y26514 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <410D1C79.90306@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:38:17 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help References: <00fc01c47733$727404e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> <200408010003.27731.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200408010003.27731.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks so much for the link! I had a lot of fun noodling around on her website, and playing follow-the-link. I have found, in the last few years, that I'm increasingly interested in working with/researching/reconstructing middle- and working-class clothing, and there's the bonus that the website owner is working from a non-american/non-sca viewpoint. Which is NOT intended as a slam or an invitation to slam, it's just great to be exposed to other things, since my little reenactment pond is pretty distinctly american/sca, and I very much enjoy seeing how other reenactment "cultures" (for want of a better phrase) approach things. Of course, that's one of the things I so enjoy about this list! --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > My recommendation would be to make something a lower class woman would wear, > and make it washable. > > This site contains information about the outfit made by one woman who does > 16th c reenactment at Kentwell Hall. > > http://freespace.virgin.net/f.lea/index.htm > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 12:44:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71GitRM015126 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GiMYF015043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GiLfT061950; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71GiHfT061898 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004080116441101500ju56ne>; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:44:11 +0000 Received: from [24.16.242.58] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:44:09 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:44:09 +0000 Message-Id: <080120041644.10623.410D1DD90001DCFA0000297F2200737478010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re:OT floor loom then tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! In 1992 I bought my dream floor loom. Until recently, I'd not been in a place to be able to have it set up to use. Believe it or not, I now have an apartment with a living room with enough light and space to set it up and leave it up. Of course, that means I have no room for all my many boxes of books in the living room! Ah, well, I'd rather get my loom set up. My whole apartment is actually turning into my studio/workshop and I am loving it. I cut out in the dining room, sew in the living room (and will weave as soon as I get it moved in and dress the loom), store my fabrics and trims in my bedroom. Hmmm, just had a thought...I suppose the 'den' *could* be my library. Good thing all my attempts at having a reliable *paying* roomie failed. There'd be no room! LOL! When I moved in the neighbor kids all pitched in to help. And my neighbors have all made comments about how much stuff I have...Honestly, though, I have a lot less than I *used* to have. I'm still working on selling even more stuff, so I'll have even more boxes emptied. I keep on sewing up my stash, and once I stop camping or going to events so often, I'll be able to sew up even my modern stash into stuff to sell. I've gathered all the material for the tudor gown I want to make. Thank you (who was it?) for posting that *awesome* web site for tudor. I've already got my farthingale made. Just gotta made another corset (the one I made earlier is too small now) and then the garments. *LOL* I'm using silk and I bought from Pastiche. -- Slan go foill Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh -------------- Original message -------------- > > >Mine is this. I inherited this loom. I never used it. It's sat around > >for about 6 years because I can't use a floor loom. (classes are over > >a grand here) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 13:38:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71HcVRM015502 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71HbsYF017934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71HbofT089914; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71HblfT089846 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.da.10251c44 (4380) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:37:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Village To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/31/04 12:53:09 PM Central Daylight Time, cahuff@mindspring.com writes: So on the air conditioning is needed scale and matinee pricing...is it worthy? How are the costumes? (see on topic) Ta Carol, who will have to see it -- filmed locally with friends and friends of friends in it...I'll be the one applauding at weird moments in the credits ... ROFL perhaps a matinee would be worth it. It does have its moments, primarily because the actors really are awesome. If I hadn't been looking forward to it SO much because of all the hype, I wouldn't have been so disappointed, I guess. **Tiff** "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 14:20:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71IKxRM015793 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71IKKYF020709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71IKHfT013798; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71IKDfT013767 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so126767rnk for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.38 with SMTP id m38mr230115rne; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040801112070b4493a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:20:09 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Loom Saga Continues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wanted to thank everyone for taking a look at the auction at giving their thoughts. Also to let everyone know, it's not that I don't like weaving it's that I don't have much of a desire to learn to use this floor loom. I actually own a nice little lap loom I'm perfectly happy with. I'm a little disturbed that some weavers are taking it as a personal affront that I don't want to keep the loom. I would think that they'd be more happy I'm willing to release a beautiful piece of equipment into the world. I've made the reserve and hopefully it will go even higher and young Tarquin will have some great school clothes this year. We are both very grateful to you all for looking and to those who bid and are bidding still. Bice eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 15:30:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71JU8RM016166 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JT2YF024928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JSufT050922; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JSqfU050889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i71JTitE027716 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:29:44 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:35:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408010003.27731.cathy@thyrsus.com> <410D1C79.90306@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <410D1C79.90306@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408011535.31708.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 01 August 2004 12:38 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Thanks so much for the link! I had a lot of fun noodling around on her > website, and playing follow-the-link. You're welcome. I found it very interesting myself, and an inspiration. > I have found, in the last few years, that I'm increasingly interested in > working with/researching/reconstructing middle- and working-class > clothing, and there's the bonus that the website owner is working from a > non-american/non-sca viewpoint. Which is NOT intended as a slam or an > invitation to slam, it's just great to be exposed to other things, since > my little reenactment pond is pretty distinctly american/sca, and I very > much enjoy seeing how other reenactment "cultures" (for want of a better > phrase) approach things. Agreed. That's one reason I love the Internet--it has made it easy for me to find information I would not even have suspected existed 10 years ago. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 15:35:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71JZkRM016185 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JZ2YF025274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JYxfT053960; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:35:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51105.mail.yahoo.com (web51105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i71JYufT053900 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040801193451.82023.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:34:51 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00d901c476c5$6ca36920$2a02a8c0@Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. Anne?cheri Pam and David wrote: > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me know. > I could look at such a thing...... Pam Dotson Everett, WA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 15:39:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71Jd2RM016202 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JcWYF025512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JcVfT055812; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JcSfT055752 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.161]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F2AB8262888 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:38:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c477ff$273f1d30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410D19FC.5000108@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:38:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sue, I have not ordered anything from them, but The English Embroiderers guild, wich i am a member of, has a link for them on their website. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns > Knowing that we've been talking a bit, lately, about silk threads, I'm > wondering if anyone has ever used the products from this company, which > I just ran across playing follow-the-links this morning. > --sue, on a quiet, sunny/hazy Sunday morning in Montana > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 15:50:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71JorRM016261 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:50:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JoHYF026122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JoEfT061791; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71JoDfT061772 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.161]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9383C5EE011 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:50:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002201c47800$d0083b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:50:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Rome X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am travelling to Italy on 15th of august visiting Rome and Naples. Any costume related things in Rome or embroidery shops i should visit there? Looking forwards to visiting the Royal Pallace at Caserta near Naples. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 16:18:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71KIbRM016411 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:18:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71KHvYF027428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71KHsfT075776; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71KHnfT075724 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m79.in-tch.com [216.166.191.79]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i71KHXY23624 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <410D50DC.6070201@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:21:48 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome References: <002201c47800$d0083b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002201c47800$d0083b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, drool! Can I please cordially and thoroughly *envy* you? How are you getting there? By plane? or are you taking the train? --sue, with a good traveling jones.... Bjarne Drews wrote: > Hi, > I am travelling to Italy on 15th of august visiting Rome and Naples. > Any costume related things in Rome or embroidery shops i should visit there? > Looking forwards to visiting the Royal Pallace at Caserta near Naples. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 17:47:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71LlgRM017213 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71Ll4YF002172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71Ll0fT021317; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71LkwfU021280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-174.sonic.net [209.148.112.174]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i71LkrGW013286 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:54 -0700 Message-ID: <410D6605.8080003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:52:05 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Loom Saga Continues References: <4c5accc8040801112070b4493a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c5accc8040801112070b4493a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen that anyone has taken selling your loom as a personal affront. We all now know you're selling it, when, where, why, and more or less for how much. Is there really anything more to say about it? Fran > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 19:24:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71NOJRM018070 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:24:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71NIhYF007489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71NIZfT071139; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71NIWfT071054 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:18:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i71NINbh007901 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:48:23 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i71NINpA007896 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:48:23 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:48:23 +0930 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF7E@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:48:20 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shetland wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello: Sorry this is late. Shetlands are known for their soft fleeces. I've never been able to handle one myself, living in Australia, but the micron range is from 20-25, which we would call medium, and I believe handspinners would call fine. The traditional breed is supposed to be very old, and the harsh conditions they live under result in the fine soft wool. There's more on Shetland sheep here: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/sheep/shetland/ http://www.shetland-wool-brokers.zetnet.co.uk/sheep.htm Fleeces in England and the US from Shetland sheep may be less soft since the sheep get better quality feed - which ironically results in a coarser fleece. Some Shetlands apparently are "double coated" - they have a soft fine under-coat and a coarser outer fleece. Processing can separate these so the wool is used for different things. Rebecca > From: "Kate M Bunting" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] merino wool vs other wool (long) > Out of curiosity, what category does Shetland wool come into? I was in > the Shetland Islands last month and noticed that the bits of wool I > found caught on fences etc. felt especially soft compared to what you > find in England. (I bought a locally knitted sweater too!) > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 20:02:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7202CRM018417 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:02:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7201aYF010263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7201YfT093673; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7201WfT093648 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 00:01:32 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c47823$e09cd6e0$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c47800$d0083b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:01:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm going to be there in October, Rome, Florence, Venice. Any and all suggestions for costume related sites to see are welcome! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] Rome > Hi, > I am travelling to Italy on 15th of august visiting Rome and Naples. > Any costume related things in Rome or embroidery shops i should visit there? > Looking forwards to visiting the Royal Pallace at Caserta near Naples. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 1 22:48:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i722mxRM020191 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i722mCYF020792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i722ksfT081000; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay8-f63.bay8.hotmail.com [64.4.27.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i722kofT080913 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:46:45 -0700 Received: from 130.102.116.207 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:46:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.102.116.207] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com From: "C M" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:46:45 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2004 02:46:45.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[F33ACD90:01C4783A] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, The Soper lane silk women (http://www.et-tu.com/soper-lane/) recommend a few of those yarns for their work. You could probably check their forum: http://www.et-tu.com/soper/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=forum&board=narrow&op=display&num=48 Hope this helps, Caithlinn _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 06:30:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72AUwRM022148 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:30:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72ANxYF015581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72ANnfT018588; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72ANlfT018465 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:22:23 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hat Picture To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019030007@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Hat Picture Thread-Index: AcR2kIFqqxmRuO0FQ/60grAoc59xnQB6ZLZw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Someday when I have a 'Come as what you want to be when you grow up' > party, I am soooo there as Granny Weatherwax. Maybe the younger Lords > and Ladies version, but still..... > >> Terry Prattchet is one of my favorite authors, witty, silly, fun and > >> very observant of human nature. > >> > >> One of these days I would like to make a Conina the Barbarian > >> costume, just > >> to say I did. Although, a Magrat outfit would likely suit my hair I couldn't think of a costume/character to do myself as for the DisWorld Convention - and since it's in a few weekends time and I'm away on holiday between now and then, it looks like I'm not enterign the Masquerade this year even though it's the first time I haven't been acting as MC for the Masquerade so am free to enter. Poots. Doubt I even have time to get together the generic Wizard costume I was planning since my old "WIzard from the High Energy Magic Building" outfit is now too small. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 07:11:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72BBjRM022579 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72BB0YF017807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 05:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72BAtfT042231; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 05:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72BApfT042196 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 05:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:09:35 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost]Terry Prattchet (was Hat Picture) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401903000B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost]Terry Prattchet (was Hat Picture) Thread-Index: AcR2rdLK6j6LeKQXT0u9GhVjYksMfQB0u7Ag content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have the basis of an Alice Band costume: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/bella.htm > The trim comes off and the over skirt can be let down. Random C did a very nice Miss Band costume at the last Discworld Convention. She looked like she had stepped out of the illos form the Assassins Guild Diary. > But *the* costume, and I started it, but it's on hold.. maybe > next year.. is Magrat in Inci's spiked armour;) That's the one I was planning back when I was the right shape for Magrat. I wanted to do the version with the full panniered wedding dress over the armour - just after she stepped out of the armoury..... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 08:44:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72Ci8RM023752 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72ChVYF022898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72ChSfT091735; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:43:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72ChPfT091667 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAS6PXRALY4M2J for (sender ); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 05:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20493 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 12:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.17.98) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 12:41:31 -0000 Message-ID: <009b01c4788e$0913fad0$6211bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040801193451.82023.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:41:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:143012097 X-MAIL-INFO: 2987778313ba4f872a13fa9f5ebbdf77a39fdadf6edb2adf3afaaacab3ca63f36b8a93ca4f274f4a6a8b2b6b5f6a0f93436b270f2e6e170f57eb0be73fe77a6f2fb347e723fb23d76702af2f0e67a747972ffba7bb63facbfa8ac35b8ac3f36ac3f36abbba337ebe87af1eaf13dadef71aafdb93ebceb3cee77f7be77f67477f67 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55of4F0zDWJZvRhWvNBg8tYj4eeXJv5ATZuH X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think perhaps I could use a smile this morning myself. I do love a young strapping highland man in a kilt... Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt > Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. > Anne?cheri > > Pam and David wrote: > > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is > interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me > know. > > > I could look at such a thing...... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 08:52:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72Cq2RM023883 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72CovYF023266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72CoufT095982; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72CosfT095908 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reholliday@lineone.net) Received: from mk-cpfront-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.3]:55783 helo=mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BrcHA-000A3M-3Z for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:50:48 +0100 Received: from [195.157.53.197] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:50:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:50:44 +0100 Message-ID: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> From: "Rachel" To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i72CosfT095908 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone help? I am in need of a pattern, or instructions on how to draft a pattern, for some lady's stockings that will be made out of linen. Not knitted, not enough time! Having got through the latest set of exams for chartered accountancy and finished the reproduction of the mens shirt in the museum of costume in Bath (photos coming soon!). I have been left with just three weeks to get all my own kit ready. I need the stockings to go with my new doublet and shirt for middle road gentry for my groups annual interpretation of the Washington family at Sulgrave Manor (UK). The only stockings I have at present are wool, very hot and too big to fit into my posh shoes. So I need to make myself some more (as well as finish doublet, sew skirt and sleeves etc etc). Can anyone point me in the right direction, I have the usual suspects for Elizabethan sources and Janet Arnold for patterns. Many Thanks Rachel __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From Ł15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 09:12:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72DCCRM024035 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DBWYF024331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DBTfT008008; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DBRfT007975 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:11:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m143.in-tch.com [216.166.191.143]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i72DBEY04556 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:15:31 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings References: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> In-Reply-To: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My first thought was ooh! Someone else working on knitted hose! Kewl! But you need these to be linen, and in a hurry? I'd recommend these guys for ready-made hose (in wool and linen, and in a variety of colors). They're from the US side of the pond, but I'm pretty sure they ship overseas.... > http://www.historicenterprises.com/ for the general front page > http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=15 for the page with the stockings. I haven't tried them myself, but know other who have, and they've been enthusiastic about the quality, etc. --sue Rachel wrote: > Can anyone help? I am in need of a pattern, or instructions on how to draft > a pattern, for some lady's stockings that will be made out of linen. Not > knitted, not enough time! > > Having got through the latest set of exams for chartered accountancy and > finished the reproduction of the mens shirt in the museum of costume in > Bath (photos coming soon!). I have been left with just three weeks to get > all my own kit ready. > > I need the stockings to go with my new doublet and shirt for middle road > gentry for my groups annual interpretation of the Washington family at Sulgrave > Manor (UK). The only stockings I have at present are wool, very hot and > too big to fit into my posh shoes. So I need to make myself some more (as > well as finish doublet, sew skirt and sleeves etc etc). Can anyone point > me in the right direction, I have the usual suspects for Elizabethan sources > and Janet Arnold for patterns. > > Many Thanks > Rachel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 09:47:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72DlRRM024312 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DjdYF026639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DjRfT028608; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DjHfT028438 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080213451101400dsg6ve>; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:45:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:44:09 -0400 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chanel's little black dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, how come I can't find any reference on the Web to the legend that Coco Chanel invented the little black dress after the death of her boyfriend, with the intent to "put the whole world in mourning"? This is a legend too complex for me to make it up, but I cannot seem to find a trace of it anywhere. Thanks, Lauren -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 09:49:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72DnJRM024329 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:49:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DlJYF026810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DlIfT029793; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DkEfT029024 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f24.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.36]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 155B1262865 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c47897$18b27580$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c47800$d0083b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <410D50DC.6070201@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:46:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sue, Its just a charter travel going by airplane. I have ben both places before, but Rome and Naples are such beautifull places, i will never get tired of them. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome > Oh, drool! Can I please cordially and thoroughly *envy* you? > How are you getting there? By plane? or are you taking the train? > --sue, with a good traveling jones.... > > Bjarne Drews wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am travelling to Italy on 15th of august visiting Rome and Naples. > > Any costume related things in Rome or embroidery shops i should visit there? > > Looking forwards to visiting the Royal Pallace at Caserta near Naples. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 09:54:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72DsrRM024370 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:54:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DqvYF027212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DqufT033250; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DqsfT033223 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from user-38lc282.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.2] helo=KALC) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BrdFE-0000ou-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 06:52:53 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:52:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/index.html#Irish has a pattern for woven hose. It's not that hard to drape a pattern for hose though. Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Rachel Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:51 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Can anyone help? I am in need of a pattern, or instructions on how to draft a pattern, for some lady's stockings that will be made out of linen. Not knitted, not enough time! Having got through the latest set of exams for chartered accountancy and finished the reproduction of the mens shirt in the museum of costume in Bath (photos coming soon!). I have been left with just three weeks to get all my own kit ready. I need the stockings to go with my new doublet and shirt for middle road gentry for my groups annual interpretation of the Washington family at Sulgrave Manor (UK). The only stockings I have at present are wool, very hot and too big to fit into my posh shoes. So I need to make myself some more (as well as finish doublet, sew skirt and sleeves etc etc). Can anyone point me in the right direction, I have the usual suspects for Elizabethan sources and Janet Arnold for patterns. Many Thanks Rachel __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From Ł15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 09:59:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72DxcRM024392 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:59:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DvnYF027537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DvmfT036239; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72DvifT036179 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f24.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.36]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D85BC47FE56 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003501c47898$b8b81390$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c47800$d0083b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <002701c47823$e09cd6e0$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:58:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You must go to Museo del Costume in Florence, it is situated in the Pitti Palace there. It is only a 2 hour drive with train from Rome, so i definately are going there. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome > I'm going to be there in October, Rome, Florence, Venice. > > Any and all suggestions for costume related sites to see are welcome! > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > W. Shakespeare > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:50 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Rome > > > > Hi, > > I am travelling to Italy on 15th of august visiting Rome and Naples. > > Any costume related things in Rome or embroidery shops i should visit > there? > > Looking forwards to visiting the Royal Pallace at Caserta near Naples. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 10:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72E2iRM024449 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:02:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72E0nYF027762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72E0lfT038291; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:00:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72E0ifT038256 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:00:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:59:39 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401903000F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Thread-Index: AcR4l4VqVuy0447YQg2Fktim0CUqyAAAKP8w content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings > a variety of colors). They're from the US side of the pond, but I'm > pretty sure they ship overseas.... > > http://www.historicenterprises.com/ for the general front page > > > http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=15 for > > the page with the stockings. I haven't tried them myself, but know other who have, > and they've been enthusiastic about the quality, etc. I have two pairs of their wool hose that are lovely, lovely, lovely, but can't say anything about their linen Another place you might want to chack out is.... http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/Flemish8.html for the pattern shapes and construction of cloth stockings (wool in this case but I assume they're done the same) Good luck Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 11:37:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72FbTRM025231 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FakYF005874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FagfT007941; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FaWfT007848 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.162] (pm5-162.eos.net [205.133.149.162]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72FaTJr022393 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:36:29 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:33:51 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408021346.i72DkLfU029163@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: little black dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have never heard of Coco Chanel inventing the "little black dress." I always thought it was an English actress in the 1800s (Lillie Langtree, maybe?) who only had enough money for one good dress, and took on London by storm in it. That's what I've read, anyway. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 11:42:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72FgYRM025259 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:42:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FfpYF006424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FfYfT011875; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FfOfT011730 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Ff0X8004144 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:41:00 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32063 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:40:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hat Picture Message-ID: <1091461259.410e608be5482@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:40:59 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019030007@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019030007@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 152.78.186.139 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Doubt I even have time to get together the generic Wizard costume I > was > planning since my old "WIzard from the High Energy Magic Building" > outfit is now too small. > The mind boggles...what bits did it have? so much costuming potential there! I would do the Masquerade Granny Weatherwax, if I could find a Greebo to accompany me ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 11:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72FsMRM025372 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:54:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FrgYF009268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FrgfT022046; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:53:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FrIfT021542 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D4D4264B for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <410E6392.4040007@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:53:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did not take these photos, but I wanted to share the gallery with folks. Lots of amazing stuff: http://images.cosplay.com/showgallery.php?cat=9033&si=&page=1&sort=1&perpage=18&\ ppuser=&stype=0 Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 11:54:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72FsaRM025375 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:54:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FqeYF009036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FqafT021160; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72FqSfU021049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-115-13.sonic.net [209.148.115.13]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i72FqPaB022765 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:52:26 -0700 Message-ID: <410E6472.1070308@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:57:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: little black dress References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's the adjective "little" that is 20th century. The Victorians believed that if you were middle class and could have only one or two dresses they should be black. Black was considered to look good on most people, be appropriate for most occasions, and coordinate with most other colors. Fran Two new books of 1870s and 1880s clothing patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com Latest review posted on http://www.midwestbookreview.com/ibw/aug_04.htm Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >I have never heard of Coco Chanel inventing the "little black dress." I >always thought it was an English actress in the 1800s (Lillie Langtree, >maybe?) who only had enough money for one good dress, and took on London by >storm in it. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 13:28:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72HSaRM026022 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:28:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72HQSYF021807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72HQJfT000311; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72HQCfT000253 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040802172610.GBNI25313.out001.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c478b5$ced49af0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410E6392.4040007@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:26:12 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:26:10 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the link, there were some really good costumes. The guy that did Cpt. Jack Sparrow did a really good job. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 > I did not take these photos, but I wanted to share the gallery with > folks. Lots of amazing stuff: > > http://images.cosplay.com/showgallery.php?cat=9033&si=&page=1&sort=1&perpage=18&\ > ppuser=&stype=0 > > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 14:13:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72IDpRM026454 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:13:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72IDBYF027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72ID9fT039218; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52705.mail.yahoo.com (web52705.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.156]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72ID5fT039077 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladybriony@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040802181258.83930.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.201.242.130] by web52705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:12:58 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Valerie Robertson To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408021346.i72DkLfV029163@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need costuming bibliographies and webographies for writers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My friends; After two decades of throwing historical novels across the room every time I get to egregious costuming errors, I now have the chance to fix some of them ahead of time. I'm putting together a group of workshops for the national conference of the Romance Writers of America and I need more information on time periods outside my area of expertise. Specifically I'm looking for bibliographies and webographies for the following eras: Regency Civil War Edwardian Remember, some of the folks I'll be dealing with think watching 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is costume research. Really. One of the historical writers in my local group _said_ that. Why, yes, it was the last straw, how did you know? Many thanks, Valerie Robertson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 14:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72IaJRM026588 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72IZaYF029267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72IZUfT057082; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.uttyl.edu (mail.uttyl.edu [198.213.56.77]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72IZOfT056891 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Vicki_Betts@mail.uttyl.edu) In-Reply-To: <20040802181258.83930.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costuming bibliographies and webographies for writers To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: From: Vicki_Betts@mail.uttyl.edu Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:39:02 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on UT Tyler Admin/UT Tyler(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 08/02/2004 01:39:13 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's one for the 1840-1865 time period, US and to a limited extent, Canada and Great Britain: http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/dress%20bib.htm It is a couple of years out of date at this point. Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net My friends; After two decades of throwing historical novels across the room every time I get to egregious costuming errors, I now have the chance to fix some of them ahead of time. I'm putting together a group of workshops for the national conference of the Romance Writers of America and I need more information on time periods outside my area of expertise. Specifically I'm looking for bibliographies and webographies for the following eras: Regency Civil War Edwardian Remember, some of the folks I'll be dealing with think watching 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is costume research. Really. One of the historical writers in my local group _said_ that. Why, yes, it was the last straw, how did you know? Many thanks, Valerie Robertson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 14:54:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72IsnRM026664 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Is7YF001208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Is3fT071403; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Is0fT071360 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.15]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I1U00EKA1TIGP@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [167.206.5.46] (Forwarded-For: [167.206.224.2]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:53:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:53:47 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costuming bibliographies and webographies for writers To: Historical Costume Message-id: <28f50428b621.28b62128f504@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You have, of course, already checked on the web site for the Brigade of the American Revolution (BAR) ? I'm also sure that there are a lot of Civil War reinator web sites that could help with cosuming. My expertise goes from Greco-Roman to pre-Civil War (can't stand those corsets and heavy layers) in the 'civilian' or 'peasant' areas. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Robertson Specifically I'm looking for bibliographies and webographies for the following eras: > Regency > Civil War > Edwardian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 15:04:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72J4lRM026809 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:04:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72J3fYF002112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72J3bfT078730; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51104.mail.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72J3ZfT078609 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040802190329.93204.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:03:29 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <009b01c4788e$0913fad0$6211bc3f@susyhp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Comming right up via private addy.. Anne/Cheri Susy wrote: I think perhaps I could use a smile this morning myself. I do love a young strapping highland man in a kilt... Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt > Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. > Anne?cheri > > Pam and David wrote: > > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is > interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me > know. > > > I could look at such a thing...... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! 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Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 15:32:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72JWSRM027361 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JVkYF004846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JVgfT001000; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from providenceday.org (treebeard.providenceday.org [66.193.73.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JVdfT000893 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from grace.morris@providenceday.org) Received: from [172.20.1.3] (HELO providenceday.org) by providenceday.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1480351; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:33:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1970 16:35:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Grace Morris To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <30D6A960-322C-11B2-9109-000393DA0BCC@providenceday.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Web site update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pardon the cross-posting, but I've finally done a major site update. If you're interested in Medieval and Renaissance Spain, come visit. Grace/Jessamyn jessamynscloset.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 15:34:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72JYeRM027443 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JWsYF004981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JWsfT001994; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JWqfT001916 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i72K6U5c096305 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:06:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i72K6Udu096304 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:06:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408022006.i72K6Udu096304@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costuming bibliographies and webographies for writers In-Reply-To: <20040802181258.83930.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Remember, some of the folks I'll be dealing with think watching 'Pirates > of the Caribbean' is costume research. Really. One of the historical > writers in my local group _said_ that. Why, yes, it was the last straw, > how did you know? Sounds like my kid who thinks Anime, Manga, and Video Games are adequate research for Feudal Japanese garb ..... Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 15:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72JwaRM027853 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JubYF007258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JuKfT019961; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (smtp3.fuse.net [216.68.8.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72JtGfT019200 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([66.161.249.184]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.03 201-2131-111-105-20040624) with ESMTP id <20040802195508.JWCA21879.smtp3.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:55:08 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.161.249.184]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20040802195506.ZGKE1052.gx4.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:55:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040802154202.00acfd30@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:47:31 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "J.E. Marshall" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] oilcloth question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband wants me to make him a szur (Hungarian coat) from oilcloth. I have the pattern and am comfortable with it. My question is how do I work with the oilcloth? What thread do I use? How do I treat the seams? How do I press the seams open (high, med, low, no heat)? How do I keep it clean? How badly does it fray? I know, lots of questions. Any answers will help greatly. Thanks, Jennifer If you are squeamish, don't prod the beach rubble. Sappho _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 16:33:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72KXuRM028280 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:33:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KX1YF011231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KWsfT049158; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KWpfT049058 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.143.2f65db15 (18403) for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <143.2f65db15.2e3ffee7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:32:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2004 3:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, celticcheri@yahoo.com writes: > Comming right up via private addy.. > Are y'all circulating a pic of some hapless highlander? I want one! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 16:36:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72KaRRM028299 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KZnYF011622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KZjfT051433; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KZgfT051395 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72KZYAu015745 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:35:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:02:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> References: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >My first thought was ooh! Someone else working on knitted hose! Kewl! I'm trying to knit a pair of Ren-period stockings and I have several questions. I'm using baby-sweater-weight yarn, and the stockings are coming out thick like a sweater. This means they won't fit inside any of my shoes. But if I knit them of thread-weight yarn (can you tell I'm not really a knitter?) they'll take years to finish, at the rate of a few inches every Ren. Faire weekend. I want them wearable. Any advice (like "forget making them wearable")? I'm having real trouble getting my size right. I knitted a swatch, did the stitch-per-inch measurements and calculations for how many stitches I'd need around, and got a couple of inches done on the first stocking before I found out it would be way too big. This happens all the time to me - the swatch has more stitches per inch than the work does, even with the same yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? (I was really upset at having to rip all this weekend's work out.) I really hate purling. I know I'll have to do a couple of rows of ribbing at the very top, so the top won't curl, and I'm ready for that. But should these stockings be knitted flat, or can I get away with knitting them in the round? The picture of the knitting Virgin (it may be in Rutt's hand-knitting book) shows four needles at the neck of a "sweater", so I figure I can use regular sock needles. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 16:42:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72Kg8RM028322 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:42:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KfTYF012167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KfTfT056013; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KfPfT055870 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f7b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.123]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE345EE04B for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:41:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c478d1$14a34980$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <143.2f65db15.2e3ffee7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:41:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You have gotten me quite curious also. But ill bet it is a nice but you are enjoying. Wimen loves a nice but! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt > In a message dated 8/2/2004 3:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > celticcheri@yahoo.com writes: > > > Comming right up via private addy.. > > > > Are y'all circulating a pic of some hapless highlander? > > I want one! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 16:43:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72Kh8RM028338 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KfHYF012131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72KfDfT055781; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Kf9fT055728 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72Kem0Z030507 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:40:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040802134355.0187fb60@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:44:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] oilcloth question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040802154202.00acfd30@pop.fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >My husband wants me to make him a szur (Hungarian coat) from oilcloth. I >have the pattern and am comfortable with it. My question is how do I work >with the oilcloth? What thread do I use? How do I treat the seams? How >do I press the seams open (high, med, low, no heat)? How do I keep it >clean? How badly does it fray? > >I know, lots of questions. Any answers will help greatly. I'm guessing you'd treat it like fabric backed plastic. But, as I said, I'm guessing. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 17:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72LOVRM028880 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:24:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LMZYF016176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LMTfT089728; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LMQfT089681 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040802212225.MVWA26805.out003.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: <011901c478d6$cff215e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040801193451.82023.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:22:25 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:22:24 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO HMMMM... how did I miss that one? I want the pic too! Please. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt > Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. > Anne?cheri > > Pam and David wrote: > > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is > interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me > know. > > > I could look at such a thing...... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 17:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72LQJRM028906 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:26:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LPhYF016460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LPffT092087; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LPZfT092027 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f7b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.123]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E8F6447FE5F for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <035301c478d7$48699fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:25:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Discovered today you got it all wrong about his name. He is not called Viggo Mortensen, he is called MADS MIKKELSEN. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 17:51:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72Lp2RM029136 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:51:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LoDYF018751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Lo9fT011297; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51108.mail.yahoo.com (web51108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.150]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72Lo6fT011190 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040802214957.59094.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:49:57 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001601c478d1$14a34980$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Busted! Your correct Bjarne. It is a nice bum we are enjoying. Anne Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: You have gotten me quite curious also. But ill bet it is a nice but you are enjoying. Wimen loves a nice but! Bjarne Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 17:52:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72LqoRM029146 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LorYF018834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LorfT011800; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mx6.wvu.edu (mx6.wvu.edu [157.182.140.68]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LolfT011661 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mx6.wvu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72LodpO006951 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:50:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:50:39 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:50:17 -0400 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: , Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me too, Me too :-) >>> celticcheri@yahoo.com 8/2/2004 3:03:29 PM >>> Comming right up via private addy.. Anne/Cheri Susy wrote: I think perhaps I could use a smile this morning myself. I do love a young strapping highland man in a kilt... Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt > Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. > Anne?cheri > > Pam and David wrote: > > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is > interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me > know. > > > I could look at such a thing...... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! 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Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:58:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c478db$d8410fd0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <035301c478d7$48699fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What does this mean? Is that his real name then? How'd you find out? >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > >Hi, >Discovered today you got it all wrong about his name. >He is not called Viggo Mortensen, he is called MADS MIKKELSEN. > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 18:01:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72M1fRM029223 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:01:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72M11YF019861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72M10fT020011; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72M0ufT019947 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BrkrV-0000Sv-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:00:53 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c478dc$35b662a0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-date and time stamp on messages. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know how our messages are dated and time stamped? Are they stamped with your local time based on your computer clock, or do they get stamped when they go through the mail server. The reason I ask is it seems when we talk to folks across the pond sometimes, it seems they should be sleeping! Sg (who religiously goes to bed between 8:30 and 9:00 pm.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 18:14:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72ME7RM029264 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:14:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MDUYF021064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MDRfT029659; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41109.mail.yahoo.com (web41109.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72MBgfT028214 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anastasi5@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040802221135.40357.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.182.72.4] by web41109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:11:35 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stacey To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200407300029.i6U0T9fV069405@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seattle travel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Coming out of lurkdom here to ask about the Seattle area. Any exhibits happening next week? How about must-see fabric shops? Are there some interesting ethnic import shops? Thanks to everyone in advance. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 18:37:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72MbrRM029463 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:37:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Mb9YF023061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Mb7fT047545; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Mb3fT047520 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.42] (helo=wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BrlQU-0000M8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <9462223.1091486222546.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:37:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: jet beads X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin wrote: >Here's the page for the jet beads on the site I mentioned before; they >specify that their jet is coal-based. I've been happy with their service, >and the owner, Rowan, is very responsive to questions. The selection of >shapes is not as broad as the site above, but there are a few more shapes, >and the prices are lower: > >http://beadsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=B&Category_Code=jet My educated guess is that this is probably jet from China, since that's the stuff you see offered most often at reasonable prices these days. I paid about this much for a 16" strand of round 8mm Chinese jet beads a couple of years ago, which I used to make a copy of a 15th-century set of paternoster beads -- the original was from Compostela. The merchant from whom I bought mine said that the Chinese stuff is not quite as hard as the "classic" jet from Whitby (England) or Spain, so it doesn't take as high a polish. Other than that, it's a pretty good match, and has the advantage of being affordable by us ordinary mortals. The deposits of gem-quality jet at Whitby, in particular, are pretty thoroughly worked out, so actual jet from Whitby tends to be priced quite a bit higher. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 18:39:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72MdYRM029492 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:39:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MbfYF023099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MbffT048003; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MbFfT047561 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1A94264A for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <410EC240.4090701@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:37:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seattle travel References: <20040802221135.40357.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040802221135.40357.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stacey wrote: > Coming out of lurkdom here to ask about the Seattle > area. > > Any exhibits happening next week? How about must-see > fabric shops? Are there some interesting ethnic > import shops? > > Thanks to everyone in advance. All I remember fabric-wise about my trip to Seattle is the quilt shop down on the waterfront at the big Farmer's Market they have there. I was really PO'd when I got there only to discover that the place rolls up the sidewalks around 5 pm, so if you are in town on business and have to "work" during the day, you are SOL. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 18:43:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72MhhRM029537 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:43:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Mh6YF023620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Mh5fT051967; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MgxfT051877 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-24-7-132-137.client.comcast.net[24.7.132.137]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004080222425301600hu5cbe>; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:42:53 +0000 Message-ID: <410EC36C.9050902@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:42:52 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings References: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I'm trying to knit a pair of Ren-period stockings and I have several questions. > > I'm having real trouble getting my size right. I knitted a swatch, did the > stitch-per-inch measurements and calculations for how many stitches I'd > need around, and got a couple of inches done on the first stocking before I > found out it would be way too big. This happens all the time to me - the > swatch has more stitches per inch than the work does, even with the same > yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? (I was really upset at > having to rip all this weekend's work out.) When you knit your sample is it a different configuration than the actual piece? I know that my flat knitting has a different gauge than my circular knitting, even using the same needles and yarn. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 18:45:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72MjQRM029542 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:45:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MhSYF023669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MhRfT052266; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72MhLfT052132 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 41182180056C for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:43:16 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Aug 2004 22:40:53 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A1A0DCA06C; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:43:15 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:43:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costuming bibliographies and webographies for writers X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040802224315.A1A0DCA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I have not checked the pages for accuracy but here are some Regency pages I have found: http://www.songsmyth.com/costumerscompanion.html http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/reg3.html http://www.moonstonerp.com/reglib/toca1812.htm http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/rd/rd.html http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.pemberley.com/ http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/bm/beaum.html http://www.regencygarderobe.com/Frames.htm http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/timelinepages/1800to1825a.htm http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/fashion_plates.html http://www.regencylibrary.com/prod01.htm http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~awoodley/Regency2.html You're doing a great public service. : ) I hope these help. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > My friends; > After two decades of throwing historical novels across the room every time > I get to egregious costuming errors, I now have the chance to fix some of > them ahead of time. I'm putting together a group of workshops for the > national conference of the Romance Writers of America and I need more > information on time periods outside my area of expertise. > > Specifically I'm looking for bibliographies and webographies for the > following eras: > Regency > Civil War > Edwardian > Many thanks, > Valerie Robertson -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 19:02:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72N21RM029653 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72N1MYF025110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72N1JfT065376; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72N1CfT065243 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i72N13bh024134 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:31:03 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i72N13pB024127 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:31:03 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:31:03 +0930 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D0523508BF82@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:31:00 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: elizabethan stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Rachel: This site may be helpful to you: http://home.iprimus.com.au/adeptus/kat/garb/diaries/keep%20yer%20legs%20warm e.htm Good luck, Rebecca Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:50:44 +0100 > From: "Rachel" > Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings > Can anyone help? I am in need of a pattern, or instructions > on how to draft > a pattern, for some lady's stockings that will be made out of > linen. Not > knitted, not enough time! > > Many Thanks > Rachel > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 19:03:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72N3kRM029661 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:03:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72N39YF025239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72N36fT066738; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72N33fT066701 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-141-89.kc.rr.com [65.26.141.89]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i72N319W004646 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:03:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:04:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <001601c478db$d8410fd0$6a01a8c0@SG01> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're talking about the actor Viggo Mortensen, his real name IS Viggo Mortensen. Mads Mikkelsen is a different actor entirely. Talia > >Hi, > >Discovered today you got it all wrong about his name. > >He is not called Viggo Mortensen, he is called MADS MIKKELSEN. > > > >Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 19:26:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i72NPxRM029791 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:26:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72NOuYF026850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72NOsfT088797; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay11-dav40.bay11.hotmail.com [64.4.39.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72NOofT088705 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:19:55 -0700 Received: from 4.10.36.229 by bay11-dav40.bay11.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:19:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.10.36.229] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <30D6A960-322C-11B2-9109-000393DA0BCC@providenceday.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web site update Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:24:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:24:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2004 23:19:55.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[3899F990:01C478E7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i72NPxRM029791 Status: RO You have put up some very exciting pictures! Thanks a lot, Janet Pardon the cross-posting, but I've finally done a major site update. If you're interested in Medieval and Renaissance Spain, come visit. Grace/Jessamyn jessamynscloset.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 20:00:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7300GRM029974 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:00:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72Nw5YF029420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i72NvqfT010851; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51109.mail.yahoo.com (web51109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.130]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i72NvjfT010727 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040802235739.82491.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:57:39 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20040802221135.40357.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did anyone see the HBO movie in Feb of this year called Iron Jawed Angels? (great movie by the way) In one scene, Hillary Swank was dancing with a man outside and her long skirt was actually made like pants. Just to look you'd think it was a skirt. Does anyone know about making this? I think I'd like to make me one. Thanks, Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 20:19:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i730JmRM030128 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730IqYF000842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730IofT023369; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730IifT023319 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i730Ibj3026225 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:18:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040802152041.01994900@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:22:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-date and time stamp on messages. In-Reply-To: <001701c478dc$35b662a0$6a01a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >stamped with your local time based on your computer clock, That's it. >The reason I ask is it seems when we talk to folks across the pond >sometimes, it seems they should be sleeping! I'm unemployed, so I tend to stay up till 4am local (San Francisco) time. That might be why I'm up and replying late. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 20:40:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i730euRM030221 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:40:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730eBYF002233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730e8fT035850; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730e5fT035764 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.114 ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080300395901400dsjkve>; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:39:59 +0000 Received: from [24.16.242.58] by 204.127.197.114; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:39:58 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:39:58 +0000 Message-Id: <080320040039.4381.410EDEDE0009B2770000111D2200750330010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! May I have you send it to me, too? Thanks! -- Slan go foill Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh -------------- Original message -------------- > Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. > Anne?cheri > > Pam and David wrote: > > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is > interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me > know. > > > I could look at such a thing...... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 20:51:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i730pnRM030312 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:51:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730p5YF002944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730p3fT042133; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:51:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f31.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730p1fT042067 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:51:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:50:56 -0700 Received: from 146.126.51.51 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:50:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [146.126.51.51] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:50:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 00:50:56.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF95E260:01C478F3] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did not see the movie. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.7648=x&TI=20018&pageNum=4&M=&UK=30792506 this Vogue pattern 7648 may be a good place to start for a modern skirt.. for a turn of the centruy on try http://www.buckaroobobbins.com/page9.html Buckroo Bobbins Wyoming Ranch Skirt. official sites for the movie http://www.hbo.com/films/ironjawedangels/ http://iron-jawed-angels.com/ Wilhelmina >From: Cheri >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT) > > >Did anyone see the HBO movie in Feb of this year called Iron Jawed Angels? >(great movie by the way) > >In one scene, Hillary Swank was dancing with a man outside and her long >skirt was actually made like pants. Just to look you'd think it was a >skirt. > >Does anyone know about making this? I think I'd like to make me one. > > > >Thanks, > >Anne/Cheri > > > > > >Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >those you know hereafter." > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 20:53:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i730rSRM030317 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730qgYF003045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i730qffT043135; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51109.mail.yahoo.com (web51109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.130]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i730qbfT043028 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803005231.95340.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:52:31 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <080320040039.4381.410EDEDE0009B2770000111D2200750330010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO gia_gavino@comcast.net wrote: Hi! May I have you send it to me, too? Thanks! I sent it to you. Is it coming thru for everyone alright? Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 21:14:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i731EwRM030751 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:14:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731EEYF005082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731EBfT057027; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51104.mail.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i731E0fT056849 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803011354.84300.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:13:54 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://iron-jawed-angels.com/ Wilhelmina Thanks. In movie photos, pic #17 of 30 is her wearing the skirt I was talking about. Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 21:19:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i731JSRM030802 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:19:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731HbYF005477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731HYfT059587; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [209.213.140.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731HWfT059548 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by x11.quik.com (8.12.9-20030926/8.12.5) id i731HTgW022162 for h-costume@indra.com.qbigmail; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:17:29 -0700 Received: from quik.com (x1.quik.com [216.176.27.101]) by x11.quik.com (8.12.9-20030926/8.12.5) with SMTP id i731HTMa022156 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:17:29 -0700 Received: from 68.109.4.7 (QuikMail authenticated user ladyanne) by webmail.quik.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4102.68.109.4.7.1091495849.squirrel@webmail.quik.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt From: To: In-Reply-To: <080320040039.4381.410EDEDE0009B2770000111D2200750330010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> References: <080320040039.4381.410EDEDE0009B2770000111D2200750330010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: QuikMail (version 1.2.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Mr too, please Anne (back to Pennsic Panic) Hi! May I have you send it to me, too? Thanks! > > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Sent to you privately. Hope you like it, makes me smile. >> Anne?cheri >> >> Pam and David wrote: >> > I love a man in a kilt. I do have quite a lovely pic if anyone is >> interested of a young man in a kilt with a breeze blowing. Just let me >> know. >> > >> I could look at such a thing...... >> >> Pam Dotson >> Everett, WA >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >> those you know hereafter." >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 22:16:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i732G4RM031210 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:16:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i732FOYF010076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i732FHfT096583; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i732FEfT096527 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m249.in-tch.com [216.166.191.249]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i732F1M09430 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <410EF625.4070009@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:19:17 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need costuming bibliographies and webographies for writers References: <20040802181258.83930.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040802181258.83930.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which Civil War? --sue Valerie Robertson wrote: > My friends; > After two decades of throwing historical novels across the room every time > I get to egregious costuming errors, I now have the chance to fix some of > them ahead of time. I'm putting together a group of workshops for the > national conference of the Romance Writers of America and I need more > information on time periods outside my area of expertise. > > Specifically I'm looking for bibliographies and webographies for the > following eras: > Regency > Civil War > Edwardian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 22:21:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i732LFRM031253 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i732K7YF010484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i732K7fT099586; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i732K5fT099559 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: from unknown (HELO the-new-beast.justinanimator.com) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@68.95.248.222 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 02:20:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040802211648.01c57760@mail.justinanimator.com> X-Sender: maggie.gene@mail.justinanimator.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:20:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] oilcloth question In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802134355.0187fb60@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040802154202.00acfd30@pop.fuse.net> <4.1.20040802134355.0187fb60@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A robin on my front step spoke in the voice of Carolyn Kayta Barrows, and said: > >My husband wants me to make him a szur (Hungarian coat) from oilcloth. I > >have the pattern and am comfortable with it. My question is how do I work > >with the oilcloth? What thread do I use? How do I treat the seams? How > >do I press the seams open (high, med, low, no heat)? How do I keep it > >clean? How badly does it fray? > > > >I know, lots of questions. Any answers will help greatly. > >I'm guessing you'd treat it like fabric backed plastic. But, as I said, >I'm guessing. Treat it like sticky canvas. Get a heavy duty needle, and throw it away afterwards. Use heavy thread, and the seams should be similar to those on jeans. I don't know how it frays, though, but I'd guess that won't be as bad as regular canvas, because of the treatment. To clean, just brush it after it is completely dry. Try not to spill anything sticky on it, but that will wash off with a spot treatment and rinsing. I machine washed my oilcloth coat, and then re-treated it when it got too horse smelling to stand, but that was rather a special circumstance...won't go into that... Have fun. It is very tough stuff, and I absolute love my coat. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:04:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7334qRM031479 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:04:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7332vYF013185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7332XfT024042; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:02:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7332VfT024031 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.60.225.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.60.225] helo=HELENPINTO) by asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrpZO-0006Ua-EE for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:02:31 -0700 Message-ID: <02f201c47906$4dbad0f0$e13c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040802235739.82491.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:02:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9efcdcf899e08f132d063764d526c11ad77350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.225 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anne/Cheri wrote: > In one scene, Hillary Swank was dancing with a man outside and her long skirt was actually made like pants. Just to look you'd think it was a skirt. > Go to this page of Folkwear Patterns and look at pattern #231- Big Sky Riding Skirt. That just might be what you're looking for. http://www.folkwear.com/frontier.html -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:10:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i733AtRM031503 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733ALYF013574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733AIfT028491; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i733AHfT028454 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:10:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-21820); Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:10:16 -0700 Received: from unknown (66.205.128.60) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:10:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20040802200050.01ee3490@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:10:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> References: <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=66.205.128.60 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:02 PM 8/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >My first thought was ooh! Someone else working on knitted hose! Kewl! > >I'm trying to knit a pair of Ren-period stockings and I have several >questions. > >I'm using baby-sweater-weight yarn, and the stockings are coming out thick >like a sweater. This means they won't fit inside any of my shoes. But if >I knit them of thread-weight yarn (can you tell I'm not really a knitter?) >they'll take years to finish, at the rate of a few inches every Ren. Faire >weekend. I want them wearable. Any advice (like "forget making them >wearable")? > >I'm having real trouble getting my size right. I knitted a swatch, did the >stitch-per-inch measurements and calculations for how many stitches I'd >need around, and got a couple of inches done on the first stocking before I >found out it would be way too big. This happens all the time to me - the >swatch has more stitches per inch than the work does, even with the same >yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? (I was really upset at >having to rip all this weekend's work out.) You need to do your test swatch by knitting in the round in the same pattern you want to do your stockings in. Knitting in the round, even with the same size needles and yarn, produces a different gauge than knitting a flat piece (as you have found by experience). It seems that knitting in the round was the normal way to do stockings, caps, gloves, and other shaped garments. But baby-sweater weight yarn may be too thick. Check out some of the finer sock yarns. You will need to use steel knitting needles, most likely, to make a reasonably thin sock. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA >I really hate purling. I know I'll have to do a couple of rows of ribbing >at the very top, so the top won't curl, and I'm ready for that. But should >these stockings be knitted flat, or can I get away with knitting them in >the round? The picture of the knitting Virgin (it may be in Rutt's >hand-knitting book) shows four needles at the neck of a "sweater", so I >figure I can use regular sock needles. > > CarolynKayta Barrows _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:21:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i733LfRM031605 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:21:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733JnYF014125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733JjfT033829; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f7.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733JifT033772 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:19:39 -0700 Received: from 146.126.51.51 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 03:19:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [146.126.51.51] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 03:19:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 03:19:39.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6069340:01C47908] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The picture show the pants part of the outfit, I could not get a clearview of the front. Do you remember the riding habits from Barbara Stanwyck wore in the tv show The Big Valley. I think both the patterns I mention would work. The first is realy modern but with the a Gibson girl blouse and a turn of the century jacket would give the correct looks. There is a Folkwear pattern http://www.folkwear.com/frontier.html #231 Big Sky Riding Skirt I do not have cable, I will see unless I can not get see someone to tape Iron Jawed Angels. It looks like a great movie and the clothes are great. My church has a big Black History Month program that includes one Sunday we were African Tibal stuff and one Sunday we war were Civil War era clothing. Next year we are also planning our 100th anniversary. I have been looking at turn of the century patterns for my daughter (28) and granddaughter(8) months. Natuarly I want to make myself something uncoventional .. and Artistic Reform or a Victorian Bicyle Riding http://www.longago.com/victorianwomen.html (scroll down) Wilhelmina >From: Cheri >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:13:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >http://iron-jawed-angels.com/ > >Wilhelmina > > >Thanks. In movie photos, pic #17 of 30 is her wearing the skirt I was >talking about. > >Anne/Cheri > > > >Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >those you know hereafter." > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:22:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i733MMRM031608 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:22:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733LmYF014344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733LkfT035124; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733LefT035094 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from user-38lc2d0.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.160] helo=KALC) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Brprm-0001Ar-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:21:35 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:21:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wild Ginger has a free program you can download called "Wild Things". I've not tried it, I'm downloading it now. But it is described as "Wild Things! is a fully functional FREE program for drafting and printing patterns for hats, bags, wraps, and footwear." Who knows, might help with your stockings. URL is http://www.wildginger.com/wildthings!/ Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Rachel Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:51 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Can anyone help? I am in need of a pattern, or instructions on how to draft a pattern, for some lady's stockings that will be made out of linen. Not knitted, not enough time! Having got through the latest set of exams for chartered accountancy and finished the reproduction of the mens shirt in the museum of costume in Bath (photos coming soon!). I have been left with just three weeks to get all my own kit ready. I need the stockings to go with my new doublet and shirt for middle road gentry for my groups annual interpretation of the Washington family at Sulgrave Manor (UK). The only stockings I have at present are wool, very hot and too big to fit into my posh shoes. So I need to make myself some more (as well as finish doublet, sew skirt and sleeves etc etc). Can anyone point me in the right direction, I have the usual suspects for Elizabethan sources and Janet Arnold for patterns. Many Thanks Rachel __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From Ł15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:33:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i733XRRM031682 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:33:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733WoYF015191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733WnfT041520; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51110.mail.yahoo.com (web51110.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i733WlfT041446 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803033240.98229.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:32:40 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <02f201c47906$4dbad0f0$e13c9b04@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Helen Pinto wrote: Go to this page of Folkwear Patterns and look at pattern #231- Big Sky Riding Skirt. That just might be what you're looking for. http://www.folkwear.com/frontier.html -Helen/Aidan I think I could make that one work. More fabric in the skirt and make it longer. Geeze, I just let the dogs in not 3 min ago and already there are deer in my yard. No one told me they could tell time! Thanks, Anne/Cheri _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:42:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i733gORM031708 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733ebYF015723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733eXfT045842; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51105.mail.yahoo.com (web51105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i733eVfT045781 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803034025.7881.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:40:25 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO teawithablackdragon The picture show the pants part of the outfit, I could not get a clearview of the front. Do you remember the riding habits from Barbara Stanwyck wore in the tv show The Big Valley. I think both the patterns I mention would work. The first is realy modern but with the a Gibson girl blouse and a turn of the century jacket would give the correct looks. *** I remember the show, but not what she wore. *** There is a Folkwear pattern http://www.folkwear.com/frontier.html #231 Big Sky Riding Skirt *** I think they will work, add more fabric to the skirt and take it to the ankles. *** I do not have cable, I will see unless I can not get see someone to tape Iron Jawed Angels. It looks like a great movie and the clothes are great. **** h it was a great movie. Really opened my eyes to just how recent we women in the US got the right to vote (in ALL states ((before someone corrects me)) And how hard they had to fight for it. I have taken my rights as a woman for granted. *** My church has a big Black History Month program that includes one Sunday we were African Tibal stuff and one Sunday we war were Civil War era clothing. Next year we are also planning our 100th anniversary. I have been looking at turn of the century patterns for my daughter (28) and granddaughter(8) months. Naturally I want to make myself something unconventional .. and Artistic Reform or a Victorian Bicycle Riding http://www.longago.com/victorianwomen.html (scroll down) *** of course, I would never think otherwise. I tend to dress a little of the norm myself. ***** Wilhelmina Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 2 23:44:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i733i3RM031740 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733gCYF015792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733gBfT046714; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51103.mail.yahoo.com (web51103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.145]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i733g7fT046648 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803034201.48381.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:42:00 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO lisa-list wrote: Wild Ginger has a free program you can download called "Wild Things". I've not tried it, I'm downloading it now. But it is described as "Wild Things! is a fully functional FREE program for drafting and printing patterns for hats, bags, wraps, and footwear." Who knows, might help with your stockings. URL is http://www.wildginger.com/wildthings!/ Lisa Sinervo oh, do let us know how it works out for you. That would be heaven if it does. Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 00:02:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7342MRM031807 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:02:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7341jYF017044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7341gfT058237; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7341efT058213 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040803040139.KSBW14383.out010.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01df01c4790e$96f9c1b0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040802221135.40357.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seattle travel Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:01:42 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:01:39 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is still the Van Gogh exhibit at the Seattle Art Museum. http://www.seattleartmuseum.org/exhibit/exhibit.asp Hoping I'll get to see it, missed it by two days last term. B > Coming out of lurkdom here to ask about the Seattle > area. > > Any exhibits happening next week? How about must-see > fabric shops? Are there some interesting ethnic > import shops? > > Thanks to everyone in advance. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 00:17:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i734HwRM031897 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734G5YF017984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734G2fT066576; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734G0fT066506 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004080304155401300n8fute>; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:15:54 +0000 Received: from [24.16.242.58] by 204.127.197.112; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:15:52 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seattle travel Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:15:52 +0000 Message-Id: <080320040415.18937.410F1178000B5BD7000049F92200750744010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Depending where you will be located, these are a few that are my favorites: the Weaving Works located in the University of Washington area. Address is 4717 Brooklyn Ave NE 206-524-1221 Seattle Fabrics, if you are looking for outdoor fabrics, zippers by the yard and other stuff. The do have a web page...don't know what the URL is for it, though: 8702 Aurora Ave North 206-525-0670 Pacific Fabrics near Northgate Mall. Don't have their address. They have an awesome 'special fabrics' section. Display and Costume, around the corner from Pacific Fabrics. Don't have address for this, either. If you don't mind driving *THE* place to go for special threads, linens and needlepoint is ThreadNeedleStreet in Issaquah.Threadneedle Street(425) 391-0528 voice line 485 Front Street North, Suite B(10:00 am-5:00 pm Pacific time Monday - Saturday) Issaquah WA 98027 Happy shopping! -- Slan go foill Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 00:21:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i734LhRM031912 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734L1YF018280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734KxfT069335; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734KtfT069291 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20j0.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.96] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BrqnF-0002ww-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:20:53 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040802225614.02261920@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:03:27 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200408022201.i72M1KfU020247@net.indra.com> References: <200408022201.i72M1KfU020247@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: oilcloth, Seattle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oilcloth - Don't know much about actually working with it, but from looking at a friend's Drover's coat, I have this much: The seams on his coat are mostly flat-felled (like jeans) which would limit raveling. If it's true 'oilcloth', don't let it touch anything else, or you will get oil stains. For that same reason, I would hesitate to use a good iron to press seams - either use an old iron or just hand-press the seams with a seam stick. Seattle: If you like such things, the Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame (SFM) just opened. There are some costumes in the exhibits. Unfortunately, my favorite store there, Jehlor Fantasy Fabrics, is no longer in business. :( Sandy >From: "J.E. Marshall" >Subject: [h-cost] oilcloth question > >My husband wants me to make him a szur (Hungarian coat) from oilcloth. I >have the pattern and am comfortable with it. My question is how do I work >with the oilcloth? What thread do I use? How do I treat the seams? How >do I press the seams open (high, med, low, no heat)? How do I keep it >clean? How badly does it fray? > >I know, lots of questions. Any answers will help greatly. > >Thanks, > >Jennifer "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 00:32:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i734WoRM031930 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:32:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733WAYF015100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733W8fT041108; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:32:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i733W4fT041027 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from someone@eskimo.com) Received: from bently (c-24-19-168-204.client.comcast.net[24.19.168.204]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080303315801200fn3gge>; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:31:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c47842$5fcf1cc0$2a02a8c0@Belkin> From: "Pam and David" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040802221135.40357.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seattle travel Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:39:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't miss Nancy's Sewing Basket up on Queen Anne hill. Especially the ribbon room in the back, wonderful ribbons, many of them vintage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Seattle travel > Coming out of lurkdom here to ask about the Seattle > area. > > Any exhibits happening next week? How about must-see > fabric shops? Are there some interesting ethnic > import shops? > > Thanks to everyone in advance. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 00:35:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i734ZKRM031948 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:35:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734XGYF018991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734XFfT076742; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734XDfT076720 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-35-042.jps.net ([209.165.35.42]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Brqz9-0007sh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:33:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> References: <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:54:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 1:02 PM -0700 8/2/04, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >I'm trying to knit a pair of Ren-period stockings and I have several >questions. > >I'm using baby-sweater-weight yarn, and the stockings are coming out thick >like a sweater. This means they won't fit inside any of my shoes. But if >I knit them of thread-weight yarn (can you tell I'm not really a knitter?) >they'll take years to finish, at the rate of a few inches every Ren. Faire >weekend. I want them wearable. Any advice (like "forget making them >wearable")? I'd suggest you regard the stockings you work on at Faire as a "demonstration" project, and not count on being able to turn out enough of them to actually wear regularly, unless you work on them a lot outside of Faire. My experience is that there's not really enough time for someone working at a Renaissance Faire or other "craft demonstration" to actually _do_ significant amounts of needlework. I have "demonstration projects" that I work on only at such times, and I plan them accordingly for maximum "demo potential" and don't expect to have them done anytime soon. If I want to actually make something I will _use_, I do it at home in the off season. It's just a matter of how many hours there are in a "demonstration" day and how many of them one is required to spend doing other things. (Eating, dressing, marching in parades, looking attentively at whatever's going on at "center stage," and -- most important -- talking to people about what I'm doing.) I don't count on being able to accomplish more than about two hours' worth of needlework a day at such an event. Knitting one knee-high stocking takes me at least twelve to fifteen hours of solid knitting (no stopping to talk) -- and I'm a fast knitter, it takes many people up to twice that long. Do the arithmetic and you'll see that it takes a lot of weekends to finish one sock. In general, you do have to get down to weaving-size yarns (fingering weight or finer) to make stockings that will fit comfortably inside ordinary shoes. (The surviving bits of "coarse" stockings we have from this time period are also about this weight.) Yes, they do take a long time to knit, but the flip side is that ten dollars worth of yarn will give you much more knitting "mileage," so you can work on the same pair of "demonstration socks" for several seasons before having to spend more money . >I'm having real trouble getting my size right. I knitted a swatch, did the >stitch-per-inch measurements and calculations for how many stitches I'd >need around, and got a couple of inches done on the first stocking before I >found out it would be way too big. This happens all the time to me - the >swatch has more stitches per inch than the work does, even with the same >yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? (I was really upset at >having to rip all this weekend's work out.) I hope you measured what you knitted this weekend before ripping it out :) I agree that flat versus circular may make a significant difference in one's gauge. I'm convinced that psychology has an effect, too -- just the fact that you are thinking of something as "a swatch" rather than "the real thing" may unconsciously cause you to knit differently. >I really hate purling. I know I'll have to do a couple of rows of ribbing >at the very top, so the top won't curl, and I'm ready for that. But should >these stockings be knitted flat, or can I get away with knitting them in >the round? Actually you don't have to purl at all, except when you turn the heel. Stockings from the Renaissance generally don't have ribbing. They were held up by (separate, tied) garters, so the top of the stocking didn't have to help hold them up. Fancy stockings may have had a decorative "cuff" at the top that folded down over the garter, but for plain stockings, apparently they just started right in knitting around and kept going, and let the tops curl over without anybody seeming to care very much. As for knitting in the round, that actually _is_ the period method -- I'm not aware of any stockings that were knitted flat and sewn up until at least the late 16th century. In fact virtually all knitting seems to have been in the round until that point, with a few exceptions in the case of complicated color patterns (some of which are still being argued about and could have been done in the round as well). This is a vast over-simplification, and I'd suggest anyone with historical knitting questions mosey on over to the HistoricKnit list on Yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricKnit/ The archives are extensive and discuss questions exactly like this at length -- there's LOTS of information there. You do have to join the list to see the archives, but the list isn't terribly busy -- it averages maybe two to ten posts a day. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 00:55:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i734tHRM032043 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734seYF020058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734sbfT087805; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f18.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i734sQfT087617 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:54:20 -0700 Received: from 146.126.51.51 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:54:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [146.126.51.51] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:54:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 04:54:20.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0508760:01C47915] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for feeding. What do you have in your garden. Thy cutting some cd you are not using into wind catchers, putting beads on them and hanging them at the end of your rows. Wilhelmina >From: Cheri >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:32:40 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Helen Pinto wrote: > >Go to this page of Folkwear Patterns and look at pattern #231- Big Sky >Riding Skirt. That just might be what you're looking for. >http://www.folkwear.com/frontier.html > >-Helen/Aidan > > >I think I could make that one work. More fabric in the skirt and make it >longer. > >Geeze, I just let the dogs in not 3 min ago and already there are deer in >my yard. No one told me they could tell time! > >Thanks, > >Anne/Cheri > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >those you know hereafter." > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 01:22:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i735MSRM032388 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:22:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i735LoYF021673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i735LkfT003789; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i735LgfT003728 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deforce@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA12250 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:25:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "paul Cooper" To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:21:44 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <410f20e8.4e1c.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.125.196 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looking through the Medieval Taylors Assistant and looking at the pattern they have given for braies. They show the waist band having two slots for the retaining cord to be tied. The only problem I see is Where to tie your hose. There are no points as in the 15th century, where they tie to the dublets. I found references to girdles worn under the outer garmets and the top of the braies being wraped around for added comfort. The hose were then tied to this as well as a purse. So is this design correct? Or does one simply add in points or perhaps belt like loops to tie the hose and purse to? What would me the corect way? Armand De Force ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 02:57:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i736vLRM019545 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i736uZYF026104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i736uPfT055651; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i736uMfT055611 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i736tn0X025864 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040802235741.0199a740@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:59:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <410EC36C.9050902@fenris.net> References: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> I'm having real trouble getting my size right. I knitted a swatch, did the >> stitch-per-inch measurements and calculations for how many stitches I'd >> need around, and got a couple of inches done on the first stocking before I >> found out it would be way too big. This happens all the time to me - the >> swatch has more stitches per inch than the work does, even with the same >> yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? (I was really upset at >> having to rip all this weekend's work out.) > >When you knit your sample is it a different configuration than the >actual piece? I know that my flat knitting has a different gauge than my >circular knitting, even using the same needles and yarn. Same needles and yarn, but I knitted flat instead of round for my swatch. I'm having to get the size right by successive approximation, which is really slow and involves ripping out a lot of times. (Phoey on that.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 03:23:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i737NCRM028021 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:23:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i737MbYF027121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i737MGfT069141; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i737MEfT069116 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i737MDBu003809 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:22:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:13:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20040802200050.01ee3490@pop.surewest.net> References: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >YYou will need to use steel knitting needles, >most likely, to make a reasonably thin sock. Is sock weight yarn sold anyplace cheap? Or do I have to go to a real yarn store for it ("please don't throw me in the briar patch")? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 04:09:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73891RM012431 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7388LYF028804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7388GfT091944; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7388EfT091920 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7388IBs007190 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:08:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040803003853.00d0a910@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20040803003853.00d0a910@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:11:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: yarn Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'd suggest you regard the stockings you work on at Faire as a >"demonstration" project, and not count on being able to turn out >enough of them to actually wear regularly, unless you work on them a >lot outside of Faire. I have a friend who is a rabid sock knitter, and keeps bugging me to join the sock knitter list. It was more information than I figured I needed to know, and never joined. I know I'll never be a "real" sock knitter, just like I'll never be a "real" spinner (spinning is the other half of my demo). I spin well enough to produce what looks like yarn, and I knit well enough to produce what look like stockings. But the snob in me wanted a pair or two of hand knit stockings to wear for the demos, and, of course, for bragging rights at Faire and other living history places. And yes, I did plan to do most of the work on the first stocking at home during the week. >In general, you do have to get down to weaving-size yarns (fingering >weight or finer) to make stockings that will fit comfortably inside >ordinary shoes. (The surviving bits of "coarse" stockings we have >from this time period are also about this weight.) Yes, they do take >a long time to knit, Thanx for the tip on yarn weight. I'll have to go to a real yarn store for that. And I'll take my steel needles with me (larger diameter than paper clips, smaller diameter than coat hanger wire), because I just know they'll know more about the right yarn than I currently do. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 04:47:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i738l2RM024168 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:47:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i738jBYF000380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:45:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i738j9fT010632; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i738j5fT010487 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:43:36 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Discworld costuming (WAS:Hat Picture) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019030013@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT - Discworld costuming (WAS:Hat Picture) Thread-Index: AcR4uvI65zvvgWJSR0qsmVyUcjEJuQAebckg content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Doubt I even have time to get together the generic Wizard costume I > > was planning since my old "WIzard from the High Energy Magic Building" > > outfit is now too small. > > > The mind boggles...what bits did it have? so much costuming > potential there! It was based on the idea that the wizards in that area were of a "new/young/trendy(and possibly stylish) breed... so I made a shot satin "robe"(of a sort of royal blyue shot with an olivey green described on this very list as "peacock and gooseturd") that is basically a fitted waistcoat at the top and flaring to floorlength at the back and sides. It's lined with black and silver shot (reads as black with sparkles) and the full-sleeved poet shirt is in the same fabric as the lining. The tall, pointy wizard hat is in the shot blue-green but with a baseball-cap peak instead of a brim. It can be worn with long trousers (usually black) or knee-britches, stockings and buckle shoes or I can substitute a long under-robe for the sparkley shirt.... there's a picture here http://www.nyrond.co.uk/webpix/misc/viagra.jpg But it's black and white so you can't really get the full impact (ignore the caption, it was taken at a filkers' get-together even t at a friend's house and he used the image on his website) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 05:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7390ZRM030723 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:00:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73903YF000907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73900fT017905; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i738xvfT017770 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-960.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.19.192] helo=soton.ac.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Brv8w-0003y2-Fo for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:59:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:04:10 +0100 Subject: Re: {Spam?} RE: [h-cost] OT - Discworld costuming (WAS:Hat Picture) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019030013@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-Id: <150A2DC2-E52C-11D8-8841-000A9567E116@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > substitute a long under-robe for the sparkley shirt.... there's a > picture here Excellent! Thinking about these posts, yesterday, I suddenly realised that someone I study with IS Magrat. No ifs, no buts - the woman incarnate. I would love to costume her, but she doesn't read Discworld, and if she did, it's a bit difficult to go up to someone and tell them, especially since shes' a friend... It's kept me amused ever since though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 05:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i739BwRM000345 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:11:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i739BKYF001644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i739BGfT023579; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i739BDfT023515 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-960.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.19.192] helo=soton.ac.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrvJv-00042g-Bu for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:11:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:15:28 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I suppose I'm thinking of Bjarne here when I ask - does any one know a website with information on Danish women's shoes circa 1830-1850? Or a book lead would be great. I need pictures to look at cut and colour. And since I speak no Danish at all, searches are tricky... Googling in English comes up with nowt. Cheers. I tried sending this message before, and it sent, but never appeared on the list. Do anyone else's messages fall into the ether? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 05:19:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i739JlRM000378 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i739J7YF002109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i739J6fT027258; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i739J2fT027223 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:17:52 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38C1@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Thread-Index: AcR5E1X8LOAtTUQVRMecOYkf1XWMVAAJy7Sw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels > Next year we are also planning our 100th anniversary. I have > been looking at > turn of the century patterns for my daughter (28) and > granddaughter(8) > months. Natuarly I want to make myself something uncoventional .. and > Artistic Reform or a Victorian Bicyle Riding > http://www.longago.com/victorianwomen.html (scroll down) But those styles/patterns are all 1890's, not 1905 - you'd be ten years too early for the period. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 06:19:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73AJbRM000730 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:19:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73AIsYF004316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73AIifT056685; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73AIbfT056375 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i73AIk719412.; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:18:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:18:03 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:17:39 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw the earlier message. Maybe no-one had anything to contribute. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> hbgd103@soton.ac.uk 03/08/2004 10:15:28 >>> I tried sending this message before, and it sent, but never appeared on the list. 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 08:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73CqdRM001661 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73CplYF012978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:51:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73CpgfT037939; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73CpdfT037885 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 30301 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 13:27:33 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.153.184.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.153.184) by shada.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 13:27:33 -0000 Message-ID: <410F890A.10501@oldwaylane.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:46:02 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hilary Davidson wrote: > I suppose I'm thinking of Bjarne here when I ask - does any one know a > website with information on Danish women's shoes circa 1830-1850? Or a > book lead would be great. I need pictures to look at cut and colour. And > since I speak no Danish at all, searches are tricky... Googling in > English comes up with nowt. > Cheers. I'm afraid that while I was researching my 19th cent Danish dress, I found very little about shoes. I ended up just buying the re-enactor shoe that all the folk dancers wear (not a clue how on earth they wear them and dance all day. My feet hurt!). they are basically a low heeled black loafer with a tiny bit of elastic near the vamp and a silver buckle for show. It's pretty much the same as the norwegian bunad shoes (and the boxes looked identical as near as I could recall). You can see a pic of mine at Don't know if it helps any, just all I could find. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 09:53:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73DrORM006389 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73DpCYF016475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Dp6fT073835; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Dp0fT073657 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.164]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91B7C5EE011 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001001c47960$e891b120$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c478db$d8410fd0$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:50:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am beginning to doubt if we are talking about the same actor. Mads Mikkelsen has a small part in Arthur, he has a bird on his shoulder. I thoaght it was him you were calling Viggo Mortensen because he is the only danish actor in the film. He got quite famous here in Denmark because he got that small part of the movie in the big movie country. His name is Mads Mikkelsen and he lives here in Denmark and is used frequently, mostly as a copper. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen > What does this mean? Is that his real name then? How'd you find out? > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > > > >Hi, > >Discovered today you got it all wrong about his name. > >He is not called Viggo Mortensen, he is called MADS MIKKELSEN. > > > >Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 10:23:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73ENhRM006543 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73EN3YF018976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73EMvfT096330; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73EMofT096230 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.164]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BF088262819 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:22:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008c01c47965$63ccf210$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:23:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Are they special shoes you are looking for, for folkwear or something? Danish shoes would look excactly the way english shoes looks like in those years, fashion got to Denmark two:-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Davidson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes > I suppose I'm thinking of Bjarne here when I ask - does any one know a > website with information on Danish women's shoes circa 1830-1850? Or a > book lead would be great. I need pictures to look at cut and colour. > And since I speak no Danish at all, searches are tricky... Googling in > English comes up with nowt. > Cheers. > > I tried sending this message before, and it sent, but never appeared on > the list. Do anyone else's messages fall into the ether? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 10:52:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73EqkRM006700 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:52:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73El7YF021082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73El4fT014376; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73EksfT014271 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m43.in-tch.com [216.166.191.43]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i73EkgM20072 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <410FA653.2080902@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:50:59 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings References: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know that I've seen sock-weight yarn at the usual cheap places (Michael's, JoAnn's), but I haven't actually checked our Ben Franklin's, which has a better selection of cheapo yarns, at least, in the worsted- and sport- weight sizes. And what I've seen in our local yarn stores (we actually have two! woo-hoo!) isn't as inexpensive as, say, the big hanks o' dyno-yarn that you might make a cheap afghan out of, but then, you're making socks, and they take a lot less yarn. If you don't have a local briar patch, you can find them online pretty easily. There's an amazing variety out there...very, very seductive to a fiber geek! I've bought some online, but it's been more art yarn (there are sock yarns that are printed/dyed in such a way as to create a pattern while you knit...very fun). Undyed stuff I'm getting locally. And if you're really smitten, of course, you end up buying the fiber to spin the yarn to knit the socks. Like me. It's a darned good thing I rent an apartment and live in an area of town that doesn't allow livestock, or I'm sure I'd be working my way up to a sheep or two or three. And a couple of bunnies. (and all I originally wanted, reallyreally, was authentically-woven wool fabric for a 10th c. outfit! ;-D) --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>YYou will need to use steel knitting needles, >>most likely, to make a reasonably thin sock. > > > Is sock weight yarn sold anyplace cheap? Or do I have to go to a real yarn > store for it ("please don't throw me in the briar patch")? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 10:56:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73Eu4RM006805 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:56:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Es9YF021768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Es4fT019780; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Es1fT019696 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.d2.12dcd970 (26116) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:53:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/3/04 8:52:42 AM Central Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I am beginning to doubt if we are talking about the same actor. Mads Mikkelsen has a small part in Arthur, he has a bird on his shoulder. I thoaght it was him you were calling Viggo Mortensen because he is the only danish actor in the film. Viggo Mortensen is the actor who played Aragorn in the LOTR trilogy. He was not in "King Arthur." He's half Danish (father's' side), but he was born in the US and raised all over the world. I have no idea where the whole "Arthur Viggo Mortensen" thing came from, but the actor's full name is Viggo Peter Mortensen, Jr. Totally different person from Mads Mikkelsen, who played Tristan in "King Arthur." **Tiff** "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 11:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73F3qRM006971 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:03:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F37YF022682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F31fT026678; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F2ufT026641 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-40-092.jps.net ([209.165.40.92] helo=KALC) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bs0oY-00000a-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:02:54 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:02:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410f20e8.4e1c.0@pcez.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.bumply.com/Medieval/braies.htm has some information on braies. The problem with attaching hose to braies any place below the waist is bending over would create a strain and the movement would cause your braies to fall down. This is also why women would wear a separate garter belt to hold their hose up in addition to their knickers. Today some women's wear manufactures produce a provocative all in one, bikini undies with snaps for hose attached at the end of the leg opening. Always puzzled me! Must not be meant for daywear!!! Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of paul Cooper Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century Looking through the Medieval Taylors Assistant and looking at the pattern they have given for braies. They show the waist band having two slots for the retaining cord to be tied. The only problem I see is Where to tie your hose. There are no points as in the 15th century, where they tie to the dublets. I found references to girdles worn under the outer garmets and the top of the braies being wraped around for added comfort. The hose were then tied to this as well as a purse. So is this design correct? Or does one simply add in points or perhaps belt like loops to tie the hose and purse to? What would me the corect way? Armand De Force ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 11:07:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73F7SRM007009 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F5EYF023006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F59fT028355; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mx6.wvu.edu (mx6.wvu.edu [157.182.140.68]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F53fT028229 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mx6.wvu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73F4tZo023506 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:04:55 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:04:26 -0400 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: , Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO He's a cutie too! Yummy >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 8/3/2004 9:50:59 AM >>> I am beginning to doubt if we are talking about the same actor. Mads Mikkelsen has a small part in Arthur, he has a bird on his shoulder. I thoaght it was him you were calling Viggo Mortensen because he is the only danish actor in the film. He got quite famous here in Denmark because he got that small part of the movie in the big movie country. His name is Mads Mikkelsen and he lives here in Denmark and is used frequently, mostly as a copper. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arthur Viggo Mortensen > What does this mean? Is that his real name then? How'd you find out? > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > > > >Hi, > >Discovered today you got it all wrong about his name. > >He is not called Viggo Mortensen, he is called MADS MIKKELSEN. > > > >Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 11:22:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73FMVRM007095 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:22:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FLoYF024658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FLkfT041836; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FLefT041769 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goddessandqueen@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so193322rnl for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.81.50 with SMTP id e50mr315224rnb; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6107d9c10408030821433f390c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:21:37 -0500 From: pixel To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century In-Reply-To: <410f20e8.4e1c.0@pcez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <410f20e8.4e1c.0@pcez.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:21:44 GMT, paul Cooper wrote: > Looking through the Medieval Taylors Assistant and looking at the pattern they > have given for braies. They show the waist band having two slots for the retaining > cord to be tied. The only problem I see is Where to tie your hose. There are > no points as in the 15th century, where they tie to the dublets. I found references > to girdles worn under the outer garmets and the top of the braies being wraped > around for added comfort. The hose were then tied to this as well as a purse. > So is this design correct? Or does one simply add in points or perhaps belt > like loops to tie the hose and purse to? What would me the corect way? > > Armand De Force > Hi! I've been lurking, but I figured I could pop my head up on this one. There are illuminations that show two slots in the front casing of braies, which is where one presumably attaches one's hose. In any case, the slots are in pretty much the right place for hose to be attached to them, in the illuminations that show hose and braies. The illuminations I have are mostly 13th c., but the illustrations in the various versions of the Tacuinum Sanitatis (which is 14th century) suggest the attach might be similar, when one is not wearing a jupon or pourpoint. We use a pattern similar to Andy's (http://www.bumply.com/Medieval/braies.htm) for braies, but without the pointy bit to do the tie-up. We've found (or, more properly, my sweetie has found) that after a few wearings, the linen stretches enough on the bias to provide that pointy look to it without special patterning. But that's 13th c. 14th c. braies get tighter and shorter than their 13th c. counterparts as the century wears on, probably to accomodate the shorter, more revealing fashions. They look a lot more like snug boxer shorts in the Tacuinum illustrations. I'm currently researching underwear for an article, so this is all in the front of my head right now. Pixel/Jen/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 11:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73FO2RM007120 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FNNYF024840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FNMfT043109; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FNEfT042962 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-155-69.client.comcast.net [24.21.155.69]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i73FN9426072 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:23:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:28:07 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802235741.0199a740@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] travel plans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I just got back from Italy and envy anyone who is not going during the summer months. :D Can you say hot? From what I remember, you were going to Rome, Florence and a third place I can't recall. I didn't make it to Rome, but I"m sure you will find something to do. :D In Florence, do the standards: Uffizi, Accademia, and Duomo. If you have more time, go see Santa Maria Novella and see the Ghirlandio frescoes. Go to the Perfumery around the corner. Take some time to go up to Fiesole and take in the view of Florence at sunset. Have a fruity (but expensive) drink at the Blu Bar, but don't eat the food. *shudder* If hungry, go across the street to the Etrusca restaurant. Yummy! I went to the Pitti Palace to see the Eleanora dress, but that exhibit is the only reason to see spend the money on the museum. There is another museum of costume that I didn't make it to. At the Pitti, there are several museums and you have to pay for each one. One thing I wish I would have had is a t-shirt that said, "Non ho votato per Bush. Sia prego gentile" which means "I didn't vote for Bush. Please be gentle." in Italian. :D If you would like recommendations on a b&b in Fiesole and Venice, let me know. We had a wonderful time at both. Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Public Relations Manager Sauron/Voldemort 2004 Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 11:55:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73FtcRM007418 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:55:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FsnYF028550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FsdfT070568; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73FsIfT070217 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2inik1f.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.80.47] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bs1c9-00066i-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:54:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200408031454.i73EsefV020230@net.indra.com> References: <200408031454.i73EsefV020230@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:54:03 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: fastusminimus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 620 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:54 AM -0600 8/3/04, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Is sock weight yarn sold anyplace cheap? Or do I have to go to a real yarn >store for it ("please don't throw me in the briar patch")? Try Webs http:/www.yarn.com ...they also sell silk.... and can be rather affordable...Ya want fine stuff... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 12:53:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73Gr8RM007722 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:53:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73GqQYF004952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:52:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73GqFfT020309; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Gq9fT020243 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reholliday@lineone.net) Received: from [212.126.131.234] (helo=rachelp9qkqnpl) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bs2WF-000B0m-EE for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:52:08 +0100 From: "Rachel" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:52:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c4797a$3733f720$ea837ed4@rachelp9qkqnpl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200408021346.i72DkLfU029163@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have used these threads and they are wonderful for fine embroidery. The finer silk tends to be very tightly spun but the larger sizes are looser and can snag on rough fingers. But the finished effect is sumptuous. I made a set of silk tassels with them and they are beautifully smooth and shiny. If you want more info then please contact me directly as I order off them quite regularly. Don't try email as it they don't seem to check it very often. Rachel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 13:11:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73HBYRM008006 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HArYF007164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HApfT036720; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HAcfT036401 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:10:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1277449 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:10:26 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:10:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Eureka! (maybe)Re: [h-cost] 17th-18th century costuming From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i73HAcfT036401 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Marc and all, I just got back from Costume College and spoke to Sally Queen as I had promised. Due to another commitment, Edward Maeder wasn't able to attend. Sally hasn't heard of a French Fall shoe. She didn't think it likely that they were talking about a shoe with a large tongue that fell over the rest of the shoe either. I didn't think of "faille" - "fall" and didn't ask her. Sorry I couldn't help. LynnD On 7/24/04 12:50 PM, "Marc Carlson" wrote: >> From: david webb >> I wonder if "French Fall" isn't an eighteenth century spelling for "French >> faille" since so many textiles were used for women's footwear, including >> prunella, (one of my favorite textile names). I "googled" "French Faille" >> and came across 1960's shoes being sold at some retro clothing site, as >> well as bridesmaids dresses and textiles sites, so the phrase is still >> used, but not much. > > Intersting. I'll pass that along. Thank you. > > Marc > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 13:22:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73HMqRM008089 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:22:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HM1YF008657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HLxfT046446; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav2.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.106]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HLufT046343 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:21:35 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav2.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:21:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f601c474d2$20a1df10$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (was Silk Denim) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:21:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 17:21:35.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[53DD2AA0:01C4797E] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Speaking of which, what is everyone's one (or two or three or twelve) dream > fabric, the one they'd give half their hoard to find? Something looking like silk taffeta, maybe a little heavier, that doesn't go SWOOSH every time I move... And decently priced too... I can't afford 20$/meter stuff. > SLUB FREE linens. Everything I've ever gotten from www.fabric.com has been absolutely slub free. It's also a little more expensive than others, but it's worth it. > Hey--I was finally able to find an affordable 100% silk velvet, backing and > pile, through someone else's shared discovery. Where? Where? How? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 13:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73HVWRM008163 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:31:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HUhYF009703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:30:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HUcfT053900; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav23.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73HUYfT053770 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:30:03 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav23.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:30:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003601c474e5$25c24d00$547c0f04@brandyscomp> <018301c474ed$6e6e2580$547c0f04@brandyscomp> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What means the word lolita?? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:27:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 17:30:03.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[82D4D410:01C4797F] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Not everyone should have to starve to think they are pretty. That came out rude. Not everyone who is thin is because they starve themselves. I'm the type who can't shop at most stores because they don't make my size - I'm too small. Sorry, but it was hard for me not to take it personnally, even if it most probably wasn't meant that way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 14:44:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73Ii4RM008564 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73IhLYF016887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73Ih8fT013438; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51108.mail.yahoo.com (web51108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.150]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73Ih6fT013360 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803184301.51957.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:43:01 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:43:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for feeding. What do you have in your garden. I think the appropriate words would be did and have. What did you have in your garden? They seem to be extra hungry this year. They are eating earlier than in the past. My house is a little over a hundred years old, and the fruit trees are most likely not too far behind, so they have been eating hear for a very long time. Thy cutting some cd you are not using into wind catchers, putting beads on them and hanging them at the end of your rows. I've tried the cds, not with beads tho. Nothing seems to work for very long. Wilhelmina Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 14:59:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73Ix6RM008684 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:59:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73IwPYF018721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73IwMfT025272; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxv2.wvu.edu (mxv2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73IwHfT025169 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv2.wvu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73IwA68016455 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:58:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:58:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:57:59 -0400 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My parents have put up fluttery ribbons around the garden, and that seems to have worked so far this year. They used orange, red, and blue. Hope that helps. Rhonda >>> celticcheri@yahoo.com 8/3/2004 2:43:01 PM >>> the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for feeding. What do you have in your garden. I think the appropriate words would be did and have. What did you have in your garden? They seem to be extra hungry this year. They are eating earlier than in the past. My house is a little over a hundred years old, and the fruit trees are most likely not too far behind, so they have been eating hear for a very long time. Thy cutting some cd you are not using into wind catchers, putting beads on them and hanging them at the end of your rows. I've tried the cds, not with beads tho. Nothing seems to work for very long. Wilhelmina Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 15:18:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73JI8RM008762 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JG2YF020604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JG0fT039585; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JFsfU039521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i73JD4tY010504 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:13:04 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <410FE467.4060301@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:15:51 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another costume word meaning: "cosplay" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've done google searches and looked at "cosplay" websites, but haven't found any actual definitions. Is it simply making costumes based on anime characters? And then you get together and do things? Such as? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent "This way to the Egress" T-shirts & whatnot for sale: http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 15:28:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73JSIRM008876 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:28:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JRbYF021666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JRafT048532; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JRRfT048436 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-141-89.kc.rr.com [65.26.141.89]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id i73JNNpS017826 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:23:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another costume word meaning: "cosplay" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:29:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <410FE467.4060301@thibault.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You've got it. I've recently been looking into cosplay costuming as a possible money-making business. Heck, if I can make medieval/renaissance clothes, why not anime/cartoon clothes? As for what they do when the get together? I have no clue! Maybe just compare clothing? Talia > I've done google searches and looked at "cosplay" websites, but haven't > found any actual definitions. Is it simply making costumes based on > anime characters? And then you get together and do things? Such as? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or > Cynthia du Pré Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 15:56:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73JugRM009035 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:56:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JsZYF024320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JsUfT070957; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from comet.dns-nac-zone.com (comet.dns-nac-zone.com [207.99.46.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JsIfU070801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laura@wisterian.net) Received: from bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com ([129.33.49.251] helo=r78ckbgx) by comet.dns-nac-zone.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bs5MP-0002mF-Qe for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:54:09 +0000 From: "Irmgart H" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:55:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - comet.dns-nac-zone.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wisterian.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO you may want to try your question at the historic knitting group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricKnit/ -Irmgart -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings >My first thought was ooh! Someone else working on knitted hose! Kewl! I'm trying to knit a pair of Ren-period stockings and I have several questions. I'm using baby-sweater-weight yarn, and the stockings are coming out thick like a sweater. This means they won't fit inside any of my shoes. But if I knit them of thread-weight yarn (can you tell I'm not really a knitter?) they'll take years to finish, at the rate of a few inches every Ren. Faire weekend. I want them wearable. Any advice (like "forget making them wearable")? I'm having real trouble getting my size right. I knitted a swatch, did the stitch-per-inch measurements and calculations for how many stitches I'd need around, and got a couple of inches done on the first stocking before I found out it would be way too big. This happens all the time to me - the swatch has more stitches per inch than the work does, even with the same yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? (I was really upset at having to rip all this weekend's work out.) I really hate purling. I know I'll have to do a couple of rows of ribbing at the very top, so the top won't curl, and I'm ready for that. But should these stockings be knitted flat, or can I get away with knitting them in the round? The picture of the knitting Virgin (it may be in Rutt's hand-knitting book) shows four needles at the neck of a "sweater", so I figure I can use regular sock needles. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 16:00:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73K0eRM009067 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:00:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JwkYF024826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73JwjfT074851; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73JwBfT074447 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (s3-15241); Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:55:30 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO Cyhiraeth) (69.4.131.47) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:55:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c47994$371c0380$0500a8c0@Cyhiraeth> From: "Joan Broneske" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410FE467.4060301@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another costume word meaning: "cosplay" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:58:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=69.4.131.47 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think people that do that dress up and go to conventions and stuff like that. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Another costume word meaning: "cosplay" > I've done google searches and looked at "cosplay" websites, but haven't > found any actual definitions. Is it simply making costumes based on > anime characters? And then you get together and do things? Such as? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or > Cynthia du Pré Argent > > "This way to the Egress" T-shirts & whatnot for sale: > http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 16:08:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73K8FRM009104 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:08:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73K7fYF025659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73K7dfT082132; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73K7XfT082057 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i73KfI5c007876 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:41:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i73KfH4Y007875 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408032041.i73KfH4Y007875@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My parents have put up fluttery ribbons around the garden, and that > seems to have worked so far this year. They used orange, red, and blue. > Hope that helps. > Rhonda > > >>> celticcheri@yahoo.com 8/3/2004 2:43:01 PM >>> > > the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for > feeding. What do you have in your garden. > > I think the appropriate words would be did and have. What did you have > in your garden? They seem to be extra hungry this year. They are > eating earlier than in the past. My house is a little over a hundred > years old, and the fruit trees are most likely not too far behind, so > they have been eating hear for a very long time. I think I missed the original post. My friend Richard put up the Mother of All Electric Fences around his trillium beds. He lives next to the Smoky Mountains and deer **love** Trillium -- nothing else would keep them away. Susan, the trillium lady (ska Jerusha) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 16:16:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73KGERM009148 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:16:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KFUYF026506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KFTfT088204; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KFNfT088040 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882DE42659 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <410FF28E.2010004@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:16:14 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another costume word meaning: "cosplay" References: <410FE467.4060301@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <410FE467.4060301@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > I've done google searches and looked at "cosplay" websites, but haven't > found any actual definitions. Is it simply making costumes based on > anime characters? And then you get together and do things? Such as? > The same things anyone else does in costume. Hang out with friends. Chat, flirt, pose for pictures with anonymous non-costumed passers-by. Watch movies. Maybe even perform impromptu skits. (Think renfest) "Cosplay" seems to envelope anime, and also manga (the print version of the cartoons) and some cross over into scifi and fantasy adventure movies, with intent to imitate a specific character from those media. You tend to see a lot of it at scifi/fantasy/genre cons where there is an anime/manga focus, because of course, that's the hobby interest they share. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 16:35:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73KZPRM009299 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KTkYF027846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KTRfT099379; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51101.mail.yahoo.com (web51101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73KTJfT099211 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803202912.29072.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:29:12 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've just finished making the stockingette cap on this pattern with scrap fabric. http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp52.html&cart_id=7449289.25256 It's # IX Stockingette Cap It turned out well, I'll make the "stocking" part longer with the good fabric. My question is what do you suppose it's made from? The Tudors were very fond of making their hats from velvet, tho on the pic both pieces have a pattern. Does anyone know what would be the period proper fabric to use for 1490-1580 Tudor? Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 16:43:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73KhqRM009332 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:43:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KfkYF028856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KfhfT009717; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KfefT009586 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1278488 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:41:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:41:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <79.2fbb45da.2e3d3b43@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 7/31/04 11:13 AM, "Appin1@aol.com" wrote: > I sent the URL to a friend of mine. Her brother is a surgeon. She thought > the ties were wonderful, so she is going to get her brother one of the ties, > probably the anthrax one. The designs are very nice, and who would know unless > you told them? > > Kathleen Norvell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I work in a research institute where many of the subjects of the ties, etc are studied. I'm passing this website to all and sundry here and hope to see the ties - not the boxers! - around the institute soon. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 16:51:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73KpsRM009366 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:51:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KpGYF029827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KpFfT017228; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f8.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73KpAfT017138 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:51:04 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:51:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:51:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2004 20:51:04.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[97DECF70:01C4799B] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braies Question 14th Century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On >Behalf Of paul Cooper >Looking through the Medieval Taylors Assistant and looking at the pattern >they have given for braies. They show the waist band having two slots for >the >retaining cord to be tied. The only problem I see is Where to tie your >hose. There >are no points as in the 15th century, where they tie to the dublets. I >found >references to girdles worn under the outer garmets and the top of the >braies being >wraped around for added comfort. The hose were then tied to this as well >as a >purse. So is this design correct? Or does one simply add in points or >perhaps >belt like loops to tie the hose and purse to? What would me the corect >way? Two things -- first the concept, based on the illustrations is that the belt (the bracegirdle/breechgirdle) used to hold up the breeches/braies has the point cords hung down from it, and the hose are tied to the belt that way. Second, there are no known examples (with one exception that doesn't really look anything like the illustrations) of this garment, and so the design shown in the MTA is a guess (meaning no disrrespect to the author, it's not a guess I happen to agree with, I have a different guess :) ) For amusement, you might take a look at http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/trousers/breechesindex.htm Marc _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 17:35:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73LZaRM009578 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LYjYF004554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LYcfT052522; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LYZfU052482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i73LVhtY011213 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:31:43 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <411004E7.503@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:34:31 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another costume word meaning: "cosplay" References: <410FE467.4060301@thibault.org> <410FF28E.2010004@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <410FF28E.2010004@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > The same things anyone else does in costume. Hang out with friends. > Chat, flirt, pose for pictures with anonymous non-costumed passers-by. > Watch movies. Maybe even perform impromptu skits. Thanks -- I wasn't sure if it was something where a group of folks said "lets all do costumes from a specific movie and then make a film" or something. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent "This way to the Egress" T-shirts & whatnot for sale: http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 17:37:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73LbJRM009585 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LahYF004681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LagfT054222; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LacfT054178 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73LaC0X009845 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:36:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040803134245.016afb90@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:53:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <410FA653.2080902@in-tch.com> References: <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >And if you're really smitten, of course, you end up buying the fiber to >spin the yarn to knit the socks. Like me. It's a darned good thing I >rent an apartment and live in an area of town that doesn't allow >livestock, or I'm sure I'd be working my way up to a sheep or two or >three. And a couple of bunnies. >(and all I originally wanted, reallyreally, was authentically-woven wool >fabric for a 10th c. outfit! ;-D) And all I wanted was a good demo, and bragging rights for my stockings. I now have a spinning wheel and a drop spindle, and a tiny spinning wheel and drop spindle for my AGD doll, of course. And Sunday I made arrangements with some 4-H person who will be dumping an 'unwanted' fleece in my direction because she doesn't spin. I'm afraid looms will be next. As it happens, my sock-knitter friend also does living history, but with antique cast iron printing presses. So she has a tiny antique cast iron press, calling card size, just the right proportion for her AGD doll. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 17:38:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73Lc8RM009591 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LbSYF004751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LbQfT054797; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LbNfT054763 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.134]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73LaC0d009845 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:37:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040803141817.017c1940@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:39:54 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pre-1600 knit stitches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I actually have a copy of Rutt's history of hand knitting book (my mother, the "real" knitter, had a spare copy), and I also have a copy of the V&A costume book, with close-up pictures of techniques. Every European one-color knitted piece from before 1600 seems to be done in knit, purl, and that knit-two-together-yarn-over thing that makes a hole. Is that all Europeans did in one color before 1600? (If so, I get off easy.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 17:53:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73LrSRM009658 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LqpYF006430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LqlfT066786; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51107.mail.yahoo.com (web51107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73LqhfT066649 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803215236.31575.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:52:36 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040803134245.016afb90@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: and a tiny spinning wheel and drop spindle for my AGD doll, of course. So she has a tiny antique cast iron press, calling card size, just the right proportion for her AGD doll. What is an AGD doll? A doll of yourself in persona? Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 17:55:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73LtTRM009675 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:55:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LsjYF006633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LsifT068237; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73LsffT068151 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1278806 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:54:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:54:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels NOW Bicycling outfit From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i73LsffT068151 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wilhelmina, Regarding the bicycle riding outfit, I just received a post card from Laughing Moon Mercantile in Sacramento, California who has just developed a pattern from an existing bicycling outfit from the 1890s. You can see her pattern #110 "Ladies' 1890s Sporting Costumes with Leggings at her website www.lafnmoon.com The pattern is $12US plus shipping. I've made a few of her patterns up and they make up beautifully and the historical notes are really exciting! A very happy customer of Laughing Moon. LynnD On 8/2/04 8:19 PM, "teawithablackdragon *" wrote: > The picture show the pants part of the outfit, I could not get a clearview > of the front. Do you remember the riding habits from Barbara Stanwyck wore > in the tv show The Big Valley. I think both the patterns I mention would > work. The first is realy modern but with the a Gibson girl blouse and a turn > of the century jacket would give the correct looks. > > There is a Folkwear pattern http://www.folkwear.com/frontier.html #231 Big > Sky Riding Skirt > > I do not have cable, I will see unless I can not get see someone to tape > Iron Jawed Angels. It looks like a great movie and the clothes are great. > > My church has a big Black History Month program that includes one Sunday we > were African Tibal stuff and one Sunday we war were Civil War era clothing. > Next year we are also planning our 100th anniversary. I have been looking at > turn of the century patterns for my daughter (28) and granddaughter(8) > months. Natuarly I want to make myself something uncoventional .. and > Artistic Reform or a Victorian Bicyle Riding > http://www.longago.com/victorianwomen.html (scroll down) > > Wilhelmina > > > > >> From: Cheri >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels >> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:13:54 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://iron-jawed-angels.com/ >> >> Wilhelmina >> >> >> Thanks. In movie photos, pic #17 of 30 is her wearing the skirt I was >> talking about. >> >> Anne/Cheri >> >> >> >> Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >> those you know hereafter." >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE > download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 18:10:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73MAiRM009748 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73M8sYF007845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73M8ofT078984; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73M8lfT078869 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803220841.63410.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.230] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:08:41 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <008c01c47965$63ccf210$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And both imitated the French, like as not. Ann in CT --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Are they special shoes you are looking for, for > folkwear or something? > Danish shoes would look excactly the way english > shoes looks like in those > years, fashion got to Denmark too:-) > > Bjarne > > From: "Hilary Davidson" > > website with information on Danish women's shoes > circa 1830-1850? Or a > > book lead would be great. I need pictures to look > at cut and colour. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 18:16:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73MGSRM009752 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:16:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73MEbYF008349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73MEYfT083470; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:14:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73METfT083403 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-442.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.33.186] helo=soton.ac.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs7YB-0007gD-0X for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:14:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:19:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 19th c. Danish shoes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008c01c47965$63ccf210$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <34049118-E59B-11D8-BEE4-000A9567E116@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > Are they special shoes you are looking for, for folkwear or something? > Danish shoes would look excactly the way english shoes looks like in > those > years, fashion got to Denmark two:-) No, just a comparison of styles really. I'm doing some research on The Red Shoes, and am trying to work out what sort of style those in Andersen's story might have been. I didn't know how similar/different shoes in Denmark might have been from those in England at the time, so was looking for visual evidence to try and compare. Gerda also has a pair in the Snow Queen. It is difficult trying to apportion a real style to story shoes, but the more concrete the examples i can find, the more helpful to the research. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 18:30:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73MUWRM009854 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:30:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73MSQYF009495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73MSOfT093702; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i73MSMfT093626 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040803222815.94211.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.230] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:28:15 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: knitting Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I'm trying to knit a pair of Ren-period stockings > and I have several questions. > > I'm using baby-sweater-weight yarn, and the > stockings are coming out thick > like a sweater. This means they won't fit inside > any of my shoes. Fingering or sock yarn is about the thickest I'd make stockings out of, and American size three needles is too big, to my mind. My most successful stockings were knit of commercial sock yarn on size 1 needles (sorry, non-americans, I don't have the package with the lovely metric measurments on them, at least not where I can find them). > I'm having real trouble getting my size right. Stockings should be 75-90% of the measurement of your leg, up to 100% at the ankles. Otherwise, as you've found out, the stocking fits like a sweater. > swatch has more stitches per inch than the work > does, even with the same > yarn and needles. What might I be doing wrong? Purling tends to be a different tension than knitting, so a flat swatch will nearly always come out different. > I know I'll have to do a couple of rows of ribbing > at the very top, covered by other posters--no ribbing neccessary, although you can put in a few rows of garter stitch, like the Gunnister stockings, if you wish. I suppose you could knit up the garter stitch & only then make the knitting circular. Maybe a single purl stitch at the start of every round, the 'seam stitch'. > get away with knitting them in the round? I'd say the standard for historic knitting is in the round, not flat, up to the 1920's or so. > CarolynKayta Barrows Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Wilhelmina >From: Cheri >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:43:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for >feeding. What do you have in your garden. > >I think the appropriate words would be did and have. What did you have in >your garden? They seem to be extra hungry this year. They are eating >earlier than in the past. My house is a little over a hundred years old, >and the fruit trees are most likely not too far behind, so they have been >eating hear for a very long time. > >Thy cutting some cd you are not using into wind catchers, putting beads on >them and hanging them at the end of your rows. > >I've tried the cds, not with beads tho. Nothing seems to work for very >long. > > >Wilhelmina > > > > > > > >Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be >those you know hereafter." >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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It is the one city I will be travelling to that I have never seen before, so any tips you can offer would be appreciated. We have already booked our hotels in all three places (fingers crossed) and will be spending 4 full days in each city, with an extra day in Rome. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" <> To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: [h-cost] travel plans > Greetings, > > I just got back from Italy and envy anyone who is not going during the > summer months. :D Can you say hot? > > From what I remember, you were going to Rome, Florence and a third > place I can't recall. I didn't make it to Rome, but I"m sure you will > find something to do. :D > > In Florence, do the standards: Uffizi, Accademia, and Duomo. If you > have more time, go see Santa Maria Novella and see the Ghirlandio > frescoes. Go to the Perfumery around the corner. Take some time to go > up to Fiesole and take in the view of Florence at sunset. Have a > fruity (but expensive) drink at the Blu Bar, but don't eat the food. > *shudder* If hungry, go across the street to the Etrusca restaurant. > Yummy! > > I went to the Pitti Palace to see the Eleanora dress, but that exhibit > is the only reason to see spend the money on the museum. There is > another museum of costume that I didn't make it to. At the Pitti, > there are several museums and you have to pay for each one. > > One thing I wish I would have had is a t-shirt that said, "Non ho > votato per Bush. Sia prego gentile" which means "I didn't vote for > Bush. Please be gentle." in Italian. :D > > If you would like recommendations on a b&b in Fiesole and Venice, let > me know. We had a wonderful time at both. > > > Althea Turner > *** althea@alfalfapress.com > *** http://www.alfalfapress.com > > Public Relations Manager > Sauron/Voldemort 2004 > > Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 20:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i740SxRM010452 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740R7YF019026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740R6fT074149; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f4.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740R4fT074090 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:26:58 -0700 Received: from 146.126.51.51 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:26:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [146.126.51.51] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:26:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 00:26:58.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0BED8E0:01C479B9] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for bursting my bubble Teddy. I found a couple of Liberty House Artistic Reform designs from right at the turn of the century. My local library has a excellent book about Liberty House in the reference department. I am planning to go back an take a look at it one day when I have some money to make colored copies. Beside Teddy most women in this time fame tended to wear fashions from their coming out or trousseau. So I could still get a way with it. If I decided on the cycle out fit. My daughter does not dress us. She is very conservative. It is likely I will only make something for the baby. >From: Teddy >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:17:52 +0100 > >RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels > > > Next year we are also planning our 100th anniversary. I have > > been looking at > > turn of the century patterns for my daughter (28) and > > granddaughter(8) > > months. Natuarly I want to make myself something uncoventional .. and > > Artistic Reform or a Victorian Bicyle Riding > > http://www.longago.com/victorianwomen.html (scroll down) > >But those styles/patterns are all 1890's, not 1905 - you'd be ten years >too early for the period. > >Teddy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 20:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i740TtRM010459 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740TIYF019127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740TIfT075359; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740TGfT075315 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m90.in-tch.com [216.166.191.90]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i740T2M07822 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41102ED0.70709@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:33:20 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings References: <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> <410E3E73.8060903@in-tch.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <410A216C0000E364@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <4.1.20040803001203.01a57d30@mail.frys.com> <4.1.20040803134245.016afb90@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040803134245.016afb90@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, yeah....<> In one year, I've picked up: 6 drop spindles (first one, no good, others are named Marmie, Meg, Jo, Beth, and Amy), an Ashford Traveler spinning wheel (Bella), an antique freaky spinning wheel currently living at a friend's house, and am acquiring an 8-harness table loom from a local manufacturer (currently renting a 4-harness loom). I have fiber and yarn stash worse than I *ever* had fabric stash. Which I still have. Different silks, and silk/merino blends, and wools, and entire fleeces, and yarns upon yarns upon yarns....*sigh* Plus, this weekend I get to go to classes on linen spinning with a drop spindle and on naalbinding. I'm using the 12? hr. car trip to finishing knitting one pair of socks and starting another. Next weekend, my local SCA group's doing an all-afternoon demo at Camp Mak-A-Dream (local summer camp for kids with cancer and other serious illnesses), so I've got like 30 little drop spindles to make, and fiber to dye..... Obligatory Costume Content: Waaah! No time to sew!! --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>And if you're really smitten, of course, you end up buying the fiber to >>spin the yarn to knit the socks. Like me. It's a darned good thing I >>rent an apartment and live in an area of town that doesn't allow >>livestock, or I'm sure I'd be working my way up to a sheep or two or >>three. And a couple of bunnies. >>(and all I originally wanted, reallyreally, was authentically-woven wool >>fabric for a 10th c. outfit! ;-D) > > > And all I wanted was a good demo, and bragging rights for my stockings. I > now have a spinning wheel and a drop spindle, and a tiny spinning wheel and > drop spindle for my AGD doll, of course. And Sunday I made arrangements > with some 4-H person who will be dumping an 'unwanted' fleece in my > direction because she doesn't spin. I'm afraid looms will be next. > > As it happens, my sock-knitter friend also does living history, but with > antique cast iron printing presses. So she has a tiny antique cast iron > press, calling card size, just the right proportion for her AGD doll. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 20:33:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i740XnRM010494 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740XDYF019407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740XAfT077720; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i740X8fT077706 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:33:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m90.in-tch.com [216.166.191.90]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i740WuM09091 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41102FBA.5030708@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:37:14 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: knitting Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings References: <20040803222815.94211.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040803222815.94211.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Irish stocking on Kass' website has an interesting top--a couple of rows of purl alternating with a couple of rows of stockinette. For about an inch? Keeps the top from rolling, I'd imagine. Don't think it'd have quite the "don't scootch down" quality of ribbing, though. --sue Ann Catelli wrote: >>I know I'll have to do a couple of rows of ribbing >>at the very top, > > > covered by other posters--no ribbing neccessary, > although you can put in a few rows of garter stitch, > like the Gunnister stockings, if you wish. > > I suppose you could knit up the garter stitch & only > then make the knitting circular. > > Maybe a single purl stitch at the start of every > round, the 'seam stitch'. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 21:10:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i741AkRM010683 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:10:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7418vYF021703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7418qfT098977; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51103.mail.yahoo.com (web51103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.145]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7418nfT098891 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804010843.79498.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:08:43 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT brown eyed eaters X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like you a serious on going problems. Wilhelmina Well, I chose to live in the country and this is where they live too. I don't get too upset by them. I just wish they wouldnt flaunt it in my face and at least wait until dark. Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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The sound or the physical movement? Do you want something that is plain or patterned...I think I might know the place! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 3 22:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i742LMRM010986 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:21:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i742KdYF026013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i742KZfT039609; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i742KVfU039576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i742LaRE012553 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:21:36 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (was Silk Denim) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:27:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <00f601c474d2$20a1df10$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408032227.24606.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 03 August 2004 1:21 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: [snip] > > SLUB FREE linens. > > Everything I've ever gotten from www.fabric.com has been absolutely slub > free. It's also a little more expensive than others, but it's worth it. Really? And I've disliked about half the stuff I've gotten from them. (Though I admit I've never tried to buy linen from them.) Well, I have a special offer coupon from them--maybe I'll see what linen they have available. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 00:40:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i744eaRM011619 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:40:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i744cYYF005018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i744cRfT023272; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i744cOfT023240 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF4B2C011 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:38:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p187.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.189]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B7010C5B9 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:38:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:38:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040803184301.51957.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oh deer was: Iron Jawed Angels X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO CD are for the birds. 6ft electric fence is the extreme end of things. nylons with hair in it which is replaced after the rains. Blood meal around the garden find a new location for your garden next year and plant a deer garden in your present spot. some suggestions, De -----Original Message----- the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for feeding. What do you have in your garden. I think the appropriate words would be did and have. What did you have in your garden? They seem to be extra hungry this year. They are eating earlier than in the past. My house is a little over a hundred years old, and the fruit trees are most likely not too far behind, so they have been eating hear for a very long time. Thy cutting some cd you are not using into wind catchers, putting beads on them and hanging them at the end of your rows. I've tried the cds, not with beads tho. Nothing seems to work for very long. Wilhelmina Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <080320040415.18937.410F1178000B5BD7000049F92200750744010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Display and Costume Supply" is on Roosevelt Ave just north of Northgate they have a website you can get an address, phone and directions from. Another one of my favorites for unusual materials is "In the Beginning" on Lake City Way also in North Seattle. A good place for gorgeous brocades in the main Pacific Fabrics store on 4th ave in the Sodo District, Just south of Downtown Seattle. It is just south of the eyesore ... Uh Safeco Field (the place the Mariner's Play? in). I've heard awesome things about the Van Goh exhibit at the Seattle Art museum downtown. We don't get a lot of Costume things here unfortunately. The Pike Place Market on 1st and Pike in downtown Seattle has several vintage clothing stores in the lower levels and I've had some stunning book finds in a couple of the stores there but as previously mentioned they close up outside of office hours and weekends are PACKED with people. The Sea Fair hydroplane races are this coming weekend so there are a lot of city activities are going on all over Puget Sound as part of Sea Fair over the next 3 weeks so. For activities I'll recommend checking out http://www.kirotv.com/seattleinsider/index.html The weather in August here is typically, to us, a hot 90+degrees with a fairly high humidity and the humidity has been ever worse than normal this year. Most of the locals try and hide from the heat and sun. There are some beautiful parks and a lot have Shakespeare in the Park events going on The arboretum is gorgeous and the Bellevue botanical garden and the Volunteer Park gardens are worth seeing if you are so inclined. Molly Kent, Wa -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of gia_gavino@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seattle travel Depending where you will be located, these are a few that are my favorites: the Weaving Works located in the University of Washington area. Address is 4717 Brooklyn Ave NE 206-524-1221 Seattle Fabrics, if you are looking for outdoor fabrics, zippers by the yard and other stuff. The do have a web page...don't know what the URL is for it, though: 8702 Aurora Ave North 206-525-0670 Pacific Fabrics near Northgate Mall. Don't have their address. They have an awesome 'special fabrics' section. Display and Costume, around the corner from Pacific Fabrics. Don't have address for this, either. If you don't mind driving *THE* place to go for special threads, linens and needlepoint is ThreadNeedleStreet in Issaquah.Threadneedle Street(425) 391-0528 voice line 485 Front Street North, Suite B(10:00 am-5:00 pm Pacific time Monday - Saturday) Issaquah WA 98027 Happy shopping! -- Slan go foill Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 03:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i747EiRM006198 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:14:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i747E7YF012159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i747E4fT004995; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i747E1fT004891 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0335.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.80]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47829BF40A for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41108CB0.9070706@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:13:52 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is my favorite. I really want to recreate this dress complete with the embroidery. The only problem is that we stil haven't figuret out what to use for the embroidery. It looks like the stip of embroidery is fairly stif. Is it dark blue green silk backed with someting to make it stif? Or maby velvet? The gold can be tread or some sort of gold work? I have been looking at several gold plated stuf to use but I know to little of goldwork to see what would be best to use. The painting is so small that it is hard to see. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Bluedress/Bluedress.html Greetings, Deredere otsisto wrote: >At least it's new to me. > >http://www.geocities.com/audreybm_costumes/blue_dress/index.htm > >De >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 04:02:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74826RM020197 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:02:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74802YF013999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i747xsfT027934; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i747xpfT027863 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from reholliday@lineone.net) Received: from mk-cpfront-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.5]:50058 helo=mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BsGgb-0002En-VG for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:59:45 +0100 Received: from [195.157.53.197] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:59:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:59:45 +0100 Message-ID: <410A298C0001EA95@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> In-Reply-To: <200408031454.i73EsefU020230@net.indra.com> From: "Rachel" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i747xpfT027863 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to everyone who replied to my desperate plea. No woolen hose for me this year! Horray! It's hot enough under all the wool and ruffs but at least now I'll have cooler legs. Thanks, much appreciated. Rachel Threads of History www.threadsofhistory.co.uk __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From Ł15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 04:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7487ZRM023402 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:07:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7486wYF014389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7486vfT031614; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7486qfT031540 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freyalynn@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804080647.29879.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.168.166] by web51301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:06:47 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408031801.i73I0pfV079353@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a quick comment here. I do lots of stuff with my hands and also like to handle fine silk, both to spin and sew. When I find my hands rough, I stand over the sink and in the palm of my hand mix a heaped teaspoon of table salt or caster sugar with a dollop of liquid soap (washing-up liquid will do). This, carefully massaged over your hands, wrists and fingers, will remove all bits of rough skin and leave your hands extremely smooth (and clean). Rinse and thoroughly moisturise. If your hands are extremely dry use olive oil instead of liquid soap, and wash off with a gentle soap. Freyalyn, who has just remembered that you must remove rings first h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:From: "Rachel" Subject: Re: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns I have used these threads and they are wonderful for fine embroidery. The finer silk tends to be very tightly spun but the larger sizes are looser and can snag on rough fingers. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Thanks Rachel Threads of History www.threadsofhistory.co.uk __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From Ł15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 05:00:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74909RM009015 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 05:00:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i748xVYF016702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i748xTfT058175; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i748xOfT058121 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A409FEA00D4; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:53:29 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3B1141900EC; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: <016601c47a01$1e3ee1d0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:57:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i74909RM009015 Status: RO I am sorry the complete url is http://www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 05:33:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i749X3RM012190 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 05:33:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i749WMYF018913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i749WIfT074787; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i749WGfT074742 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:30:03 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38D6@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Thread-Index: AcR53YVrgW25i3VARz25R5f2LG0gxAAJ6Nag content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Thanks for bursting my bubble Teddy. Don't mention it... > I found a couple of Liberty House Artistic Reform designs from > right at the turn of the century. My local library has a excellent book > about Liberty House in the reference department. I am planning > to go back an take a look at it one day when I have some money > to make colored copies. > > Beside Teddy most women in this time fame tended to wear fashions from their > coming out or trousseau. So I could still get a way with it. If I decided on > the cycle out fit. Wel, considering that modern-dress wise I'm happy to wear stuff from over ten years ago (if it still fits...) I don't see why someone wouldn't do so in another period. Mind you, I've never been fashionable except by accident when my favoured styles happen to come briefly into fashion. > My daughter does not dress us. She is very conservative. It > is likely I will only make something for the baby. What a shame.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 06:53:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74ArhRM012565 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:53:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i748r2YF016478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i748r0fT054947; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i748qtfT054871 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A282F2C00F6; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:46:58 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A22A140600EC; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <014101c47a00$350168d0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:51:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Updates & Additions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i74ArhRM012565 Status: RO Instead of announcing when we put new articles online in our Costume Library, I have made a webpage for it. At this moment just the latest additions for July and Aug. are listed. You can access the Library Updates & Additions webpage from: http://www.costumegallery.com/updates OR go to the front of our Library, http://www.costumegallery.com/research.htm and click on the link from there. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 08:09:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74C9ORM012955 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74C8bYF025132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74C8TfT053428; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74C8PfT053352 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i74C87M17129 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4110D2A9.5080403@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 06:12:25 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nice! Although someone should probably tell the website owner that she (portrait) isn't "complicated Elizabethan," and definitely more continental! She (website owner) wouldn't have to change persona at all! --sue, actually a little tempted back towards the 16th c..... otsisto wrote: > At least it's new to me. > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybm_costumes/blue_dress/index.htm > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 08:58:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74CwmRM013191 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74Cw4YF027262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74Cw3fT080240; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail2.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74Cw0fT079906 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail2.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i74CvN206576.; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:57:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:56:09 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:55:57 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My experience is similar to Chris's. I have a partially-made pair of stockings (from http://www.dabbler.com/ndlwrk/stocking.html ) which I work on from time to time at Living History events, as a change from playing music. It attracts some interest, as few people do circular knitting these days, but the project will take ages to finish and probably not be wearable when it is. The wooden pins I have are rather thick. One day I will get round to ordering some pins of a more sensible size and knitting a proper pair of stockings, but I have enough pairs for now. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> claning@igc.org 03/08/2004 04:54:30 >>> I'd suggest you regard the stockings you work on at Faire as a "demonstration" project, and not count on being able to turn out enough of them to actually wear regularly, unless you work on them a lot outside of Faire. My experience is that there's not really enough time for someone working at a Renaissance Faire or other "craft demonstration" to actually _do_ significant amounts of needlework. I have "demonstration projects" that I work on only at such times, and I plan them accordingly for maximum "demo potential" and don't expect to have them done anytime soon. If I want to actually make something I will _use_, I do it at home in the off season. It's just a matter of how many hours there are in a "demonstration" day and how many of them one is required to spend doing other things. (Eating, dressing, marching in parades, looking attentively at whatever's going on at "center stage," and -- most important -- talking to people about what I'm doing.) I don't count on being able to accomplish more than about two hours' worth of needlework a day at such an event. Knitting one knee-high stocking takes me at least twelve to fifteen hours of solid knitting (no stopping to talk) -- and I'm a fast knitter, it takes many people up to twice that long. Do the arithmetic and you'll see that it takes a lot of weekends to finish one sock. ____________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 10:20:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74EKeRM013646 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74EI9YF002311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74EI2fT028970; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74EHxfT028918 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.120] (p08.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.120]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i74EHDu26811 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:17:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20040804080647.29879.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040804080647.29879.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <88BC3D3D-E621-11D8-B93D-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:21:10 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which kind of sugar is caster? We don't use that term here. Is it regular sugar or powdered? On Aug 4, 2004, at 2:06 AM, Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth wrote: > Just a quick comment here. I do lots of stuff with my hands and also > like to handle fine silk, both to spin and sew. When I find my hands > rough, I stand over the sink and in the palm of my hand mix a heaped > teaspoon of table salt or caster sugar with a dollop of liquid soap > (washing-up liquid will do). This, carefully massaged over your > hands, wrists and fingers, will remove all bits of rough skin and > leave your hands extremely smooth (and clean). Rinse and thoroughly > moisturise. > > If your hands are extremely dry use olive oil instead of liquid soap, > and wash off with a gentle soap. > > Freyalyn, who has just remembered that you must remove rings first > > > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:From: "Rachel" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns > I have used these threads and they are wonderful for fine embroidery. > The finer silk tends to be very tightly spun but the larger sizes are > looser and can snag on rough fingers. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 10:43:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74EhkRM013759 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:43:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74EgtYF003801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74EgRJT006685; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74EgCJT006454 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OqJ45XLEw0QuirIM4Q+RT50= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J37SZ2HV; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:41:26 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:40:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers Message-ID: <20040804.074110.1596.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite product for rough hands is Udderly Smooth, which is an udder cream available (in my neck of the woods) at fabric shops. It's greaseless and stainless, and has a very light and pleasant scent. When used for cows, it's meant to help smooth and heal teat cracks--for humans, it's easily one of the best products out there. My fingers are calloused, and thanks to this, I can work with very fine silk threads and no fear. Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 11:12:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74FCHRM014018 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:12:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FB7YF006673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FB3JT034245; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FAwJT033819 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i74FB7704684.; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:11:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:10:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:09:54 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to http://eat.epicurious.com/dictionary/food/ , you call caster sugar superfine sugar. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> sylvia@ntw.net 04/08/2004 15:21:10 >>> Which kind of sugar is caster? We don't use that term here. Is it regular sugar or powdered? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 11:12:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74FCRRM014022 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:12:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FBaYF006739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FBZJT034592; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FBXJT034550 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040804151131.ZYCN8960.out008.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c47a35$53e071d0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040804080647.29879.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:11:32 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:11:31 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for the tip. Some might be interested in an item I found at my local art store... Liquid Gloves. It goes on like lotion and then you can peel away all the ickyness that comes with certain projects (especially with kids). Just thought y'all would like to know. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers > Just a quick comment here. I do lots of stuff with my hands and also like to handle fine silk, both to spin and sew. When I find my hands rough, I stand over the sink and in the palm of my hand mix a heaped teaspoon of table salt or caster sugar with a dollop of liquid soap (washing-up liquid will do). This, carefully massaged over your hands, wrists and fingers, will remove all bits of rough skin and leave your hands extremely smooth (and clean). Rinse and thoroughly moisturise. > > If your hands are extremely dry use olive oil instead of liquid soap, and wash off with a gentle soap. > > Freyalyn, who has just remembered that you must remove rings first > > > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:From: "Rachel" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] DeVere UK - Pure Silk Yarns > I have used these threads and they are wonderful for fine embroidery. > The finer silk tends to be very tightly spun but the larger sizes are > looser and can snag on rough fingers. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 11:50:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74FojRM022855 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FmZYF010528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FmUJT061156; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74FmRJT061032 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LLWatts@aol.com) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.15c.3aef00d6 (18555) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.3aef00d6.2e425f41@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:48:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: oilcloth question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>>>>>>> My husband wants me to make him a szur (Hungarian coat) from oilcloth. I have the pattern and am comfortable with it. My question is how do I work with the oilcloth? What thread do I use? How do I treat the seams? How do I press the seams open (high, med, low, no heat)? How do I keep it clean? How badly does it fray? >>>>>>>>> It's been a while since anyone brought in a drover's coat to be cleaned where I work, but IIRC the care tag basically said you could use plain water and that was it. No soap, no dry cleaning solvents, no detergents. I don't remember if it said anything about pressing, but personally I'd probably chicken out and finger-press the seams. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 12:07:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74G7SRM022938 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74G6PYF012296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74G6NJT074194; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f15.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74G6FJT074021 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:06:10 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:06:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:06:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 16:06:10.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[F53F2880:01C47A3C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Weird semi- OT question. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do we have any 35 MM photography experts here? The camera I'm using (a Minolta X-700) just stopped advancing the film. Did I some how break it or what? Marc _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 12:25:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74GPPRM023091 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:25:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74GOgYF013908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74GOeJT087546; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74GOYJT087051 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i74GOg712240.; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:24:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:23:57 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:23:41 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to the OED stockinet (or stockingette) is a knitted fabric, but it doesn't supply any quotations earlier than the 19th century, so I don't know why Period Patterns are using the word in a Tudor context. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> celticcheri@yahoo.com 03/08/2004 21:29:12 >>> I've just finished making the stockingette cap on this pattern with scrap fabric. http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp52.html&cart_id=7449289.25256 It's # IX Stockingette Cap It turned out well, I'll make the "stocking" part longer with the good fabric. My question is what do you suppose it's made from? The Tudors were very fond of making their hats from velvet, tho on the pic both pieces have a pattern. Does anyone know what would be the period proper fabric to use for 1490-1580 Tudor? Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 13:02:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74H2dRM023318 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74H0uYF017820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74H0qJT015329; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74H0iJT015244 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:00:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24330 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:05:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:05:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird semi- OT question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Marc Carlson wrote: > Do we have any 35 MM photography experts here? The camera I'm using (a > Minolta X-700) just stopped advancing the film. Did I some how break > it or what? No, it's probably just age. My X-700, after many years of use, did exactly the same thing (or something very close) a few months ago. The shop that repaired it says it tends to happen after a certain number of years because the parts simply wear out. It wasn't a cheap fix ($110), but given how good this model of camera is, it was much better than spending the money on an inferior replacement. I expect many more years of use out of mine! (And I gathered that the camera shop would have bought my broken one in a New York minute if I didn't want to repair it. Used X-700s are in high demand.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 14:08:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74I8cRM023648 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74I4GYF024168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74I4EJT063329; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74I4BJT063235 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp01.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.121]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABATCKHXAB5S982 for (sender ); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5955 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 18:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.41.254) by smtp01.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 18:03:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c47a4d$46679340$fe29bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040803184301.51957.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:02:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 18:9:2102417885 X-MAIL-INFO: 1c350041b881f81d8558f53d49583559d13935bc1189cdf5ad4811d17cd905ac11dcd9f1ddf8a9b5d1e5dd71b579c1dcb591f1618901894d8c0de89c89ac7dac69a125e10de9a1199c850d7d193179ec19456d78002800213ca5011d0049ed492d41f938a58141351d88a5ed35a94df115f1e85d09e85d8ca15d8ca1a905a818d81138cc38d9715998c938c19c6d650165008d0c008d411d8d41 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofwqAonA/Nggy+kbO3+k7cMRDyv9C8my1H X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you tried "Irish Sping" bath soap in a nylon stocking hung from a branch? That's usually pretty effective, just replenish the soap after it dissolves. Nothing's perfect, but the strong scent seems to turn them off. How about ideas for keeping black bears out of the fruit trees/garden. This is a new one for me. Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels > > the deer in your yard has to do with a path the have established for > feeding. What do you have in your garden. > > I think the appropriate words would be did and have. What did you have in your garden? They seem to be extra hungry this year. They are eating earlier than in the past. My house is a little over a hundred years old, and the fruit trees are most likely not too far behind, so they have been eating hear for a very long time. > > Thy cutting some cd you are not using into wind catchers, putting beads on them and hanging them at the end of your rows. > > I've tried the cds, not with beads tho. Nothing seems to work for very long. > > > Wilhelmina > > > > > > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 14:10:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74IASRM023662 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74HxTYF023602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74HxNJT059597; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay11-dav13.bay11.hotmail.com [64.4.38.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74HxFJT059435 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:59:10 -0700 Received: from 4.10.36.229 by bay11-dav13.bay11.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:59:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.10.36.229] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird semi- OT question. Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:59:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:59:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 17:59:10.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE493B30:01C47A4C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i74IASRM023662 Status: RO Is it an automatic advance, a power winder or the little lever you move with your thumb? Janet Do we have any 35 MM photography experts here? The camera I'm using (a Minolta X-700) just stopped advancing the film. Did I some how break it or what? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 14:55:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74It9RM028303 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74IsJYF028580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74IsIJT098339; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74IsFJT098311 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BsQty-0002Zl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:54:14 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:54:31 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c47a54$7a439ef0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I guess we are bogging the site down! I get a message which says it has exceeded its data transfer?? >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of otsisto >Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:23 PM >To: Historic Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish > >http://www.geocities.com/audreybm_costumes/spanish/index.htm > >De >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 14:57:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74IvYRM028331 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74IpxYF028432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74IptJT096847; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74IpoJT096779 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25047 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:57:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:56:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Listmembers: Who's got the virus? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been getting massive quantities of a virus message in the last few weeks -- sometimes a dozen a day. All come from forged addresses, which means that this is likely a virus that picks up the "from" and "to" lines from the infected person's addressbook. My ISP's firewall is blocking the messages, so I can't check the internal headers to find out how the messages are routing (and thus where they're originating). However, I can see that the infected person is someone who knows me through the costuming community, based on some of the addresses that are being picked up for the forged "from" lines. It's true that my address must be in a zillion costumers' addressbooks and saved mails. However, since this is the only list I'm really active on, there's a very good chance that someone on this list is the infected party. That person probably doesn't know s/he is infected. So: If you have most or all of the following addresses in your addressbook or saved mail -- as well as my address, of course -- then it's probably you, and you should get checked for the "Worm.SomeFool.P" virus. dwloring@neuro.mcg.edu tedking@coslink.net abrasion@iol.it butterflydjd@mindspring.com summitinn@jackpine.com dmartin@valpakdet.com contactsalestools@coxtarget.com eileenwunder@prodigy.net masq10@aol.com And that's less than two days' worth of messages -- and just the ones that came to me! There will have been hundreds more spewed out to other people in the infected person's addressbook. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 15:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74JBoRM028461 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:11:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74JAnYF000190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74JAiJT010260; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f15.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74JAhJT010190 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:10:37 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:10:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:10:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 19:10:37.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9E6BFE0:01C47A56] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Robin Netherton >No, it's probably just age. My X-700, after many years of use, did exactly >the same thing (or something very close) a few months ago... Spif. Thanks. (I was afraid of that) Marc _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 16:20:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74KK5RM028857 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:20:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KJ0YF006418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KIsJT059925; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KInJT059826 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i74Kqe5c018148 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:52:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i74KqeJm018147 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408042052.i74KqeJm018147@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird semi- OT question. In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Do we have any 35 MM photography experts here? The camera I'm using (a > Minolta X-700) just stopped advancing the film. Did I some how break it or > what? Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my guess. The film counter mechanism could be messed up (it is periodically in one of my cameras) and you've shot more pictures than the counter thinks you have. Take it out get it developed and see how full the roll is. If the roll is *not* full, then your "take-up" mechanism probably needs to be "cleaned and pressed." Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 16:23:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74KNpRM028870 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:23:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KN0YF006833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KN0JT063045; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KMvJU062996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-170.sonic.net [209.148.112.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i74KMtDC001985 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:22:55 -0700 Message-ID: <411146DA.50909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:28:10 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT--Listmembers: Who's got the virus? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You may never have had the virus at all, or passed it on. Some mass emailers of (a) viruses and (b) spams forge email addresses to receive bouncebacks from invalid addresses they did not get from your address book. They're just letting you delete their bad emails. For a month or so we were getting over 100 such bouncebacks per day--they composed most of our email. We talked to our ISP and found out that you are more likely to get these bouncebacks if you are set up without mailboxes for your domain name. That is, if someone can just string together any nonsense characters followed by "@yourdomain.com." They don't have to research what your mailboxes are, and they can keep changing the email address to avoid spam filters. So, we set up some specific mailboxes, and that got rid of the problem. I'm not saying no one will ever figure out and use one of our valid mailboxes, but at least things are OK for now. Of course, I'd also highly recommend regular use of an antivirus program, anyway. Fran L:avolta Press Books on Historic Costuming Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com Robin Netherton wrote: >I've been getting massive quantities of a virus message in the last few >weeks -- sometimes a dozen a day. All come from forged addresses, which >means that this is likely a virus that picks up the "from" and "to" lines >from the infected person's addressbook. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 16:32:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74KWlRM028905 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:32:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KVuYF007697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KVqJT070036; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KVoJT069996 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i74L5i5c018308 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:05:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i74L5hmw018307 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408042105.i74L5hmw018307@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Listmembers: Who's got the virus? In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've been getting massive quantities of a virus message in the last few > weeks -- sometimes a dozen a day. All come from forged addresses, which > means that this is likely a virus that picks up the "from" and "to" lines > from the infected person's addressbook. > > My ISP's firewall is blocking the messages, so I can't check the internal > headers to find out how the messages are routing (and thus where they're > originating). However, I can see that the infected person is someone who > knows me through the costuming community, based on some of the addresses > that are being picked up for the forged "from" lines. Any more, you can't tell from the headers. Most of your newer worms pick an address at random from the infected computer's address book -- and then it sends copies of itself to everybody else in the address book using that name. I've even gotten viruses allegedly sent by me ... first and foremost, if you use Outlook or Outlook Express, unless you are emotionally attached to it -- get another mail client. Virtually all of the new worms are spread via security holes in Outlook that the writer of the worm exploits. Remember, practice "Safe email." Do *not* open *any* attachments **UNLESS** you know the sender, *AND* you're expecting an attachment from that person, *AND* the filename of the attachment matches the filename that you're expecting. Unfortunately, this doesn't catch all of them. Some of the newer worms are deposited on computers attached to the web that don't have their copies of Windows patched to fix the multitude of security holes that are in it as well. If you're surfing the web, your computer is attached to the internet. The worm comes into your computer and then goes out via email. Susan, the techno-geek, garb junkie and botanist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 16:44:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74KiXRM028952 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KhnYF008847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KhhJT079367; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KhXJU079005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-170.sonic.net [209.148.112.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i74KhQM4000994 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:43:27 -0700 Message-ID: <41114BA9.3030202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:48:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Listmembers: Who's got the virus? References: <200408042105.i74L5hmw018307@sabre.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <200408042105.i74L5hmw018307@sabre.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >first and foremost, if you use Outlook or Outlook Express, unless you >are emotionally attached to it -- get another mail client. Virtually >all of the new worms are spread via security holes in Outlook that the >writer of the worm exploits. > > Absolutely. I'm sure other mal clients also have loopholes, but Outlook is by far the most popular platform for virus developers. We use Mozilla. Fran > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 16:46:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74KkERM028965 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KjZYF009049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KjXJT081099; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KjUJT081046 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40CE2BF53 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:45:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p485.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.221.231]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CDD7C58E for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:45:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:45:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Castor sugar = super fine (but not powdered) or what is being known in the states as baking or baker's sugar. C&H sells their's in a milk carton shaped container. De -----Original Message----- >>> sylvia@ntw.net 04/08/2004 15:21:10 >>> Which kind of sugar is caster? We don't use that term here. Is it regular sugar or powdered? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 16:52:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74Kq7RM028990 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:52:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KpIYF009518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KpEJT085041; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74KpDJT085025 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E0E2BFA8 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:51:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p485.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.221.231]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BD29C5F7 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:51:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41108CB0.9070706@kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It looks like raised embroidery on navy colored ribbon or velvet. Are you saying that you are looking for trim that is similar and not that you want to embroider it? Have you had a look at Calontir Trim? http://www.calontirtrim.com/catalog.htm http://www.calontirtrim.com/cgi-bin/dqryPublicTwoColors.ASP?%5BColor1%5D=bla ck&%5BColor2%5D=Metalic+gold http://www.calontirtrim.com/cgi-bin/dqryPublicTwoColors.ASP?%5BColor1%5D=blu e&%5BColor2%5D=gold http://www.calontirtrim.com/queries/showtrim.asp?trimid=523 De -----Original Message----- It is my favorite. I really want to recreate this dress complete with the embroidery. The only problem is that we stil haven't figuret out what to use for the embroidery. It looks like the stip of embroidery is fairly stif. Is it dark blue green silk backed with someting to make it stif? Or maby velvet? The gold can be tread or some sort of gold work? I have been looking at several gold plated stuf to use but I know to little of goldwork to see what would be best to use. The painting is so small that it is hard to see. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Bluedress/Bluedress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74L4CRM029035 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L3VYF010764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L3PJT094022; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L3NJT093937 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC47E4264A for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41114F5A.6080307@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:04:26 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] anyone seen this book and want to comment? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm considering ordering this: Los Calzoncillos / Underwear by Birgit Engel http://tinyurl.com/6r3eu Has anyone here seen it? Own it? Want to comment? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:07:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74L7IRM029039 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L6VYF011070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L6TJT096068; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L6QJT096016 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-90-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.110]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74L6InH004353 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:06:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040804132821.016c2420@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:31:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <20040803215236.31575.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.1.20040803134245.016afb90@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >and a tiny spinning wheel and drop spindle for my AGD doll, of course. >So she has a tiny antique cast iron press, calling card size, just the right >proportion for her AGD doll. >What is an AGD doll? A doll of yourself in persona? American Girl Doll. Unfortunately, they're vinyl, so we can't take them to actual historical events. But she takes hers to printer's fairs where she's doing demos. Hers is quite an eye-catcher, standing next to the little press, wearing a little printer's apron, etc. She printed tiny calling cards for her doll and mine. (Too bad they're vinyl - they've got the coolest period accessories, for several centuries.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74L8bRM029045 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L6lYF011112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L6jJT096252; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L6TJT096065 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-90-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.110]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74L6InJ004353 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:06:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040804133440.0183b1b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:09:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: knitting Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan stockings In-Reply-To: <20040803222815.94211.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.1.20040802124736.0192f3e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Fingering or sock yarn is about the thickest I'd make >stockings out of, and American size three needles is >too big, to my mind. > >My most successful stockings were knit of commercial >sock yarn on size 1 needles (sorry, non-americans, I >don't have the package with the lovely metric >measurments on them, at least not where I can find >them). Darn. I have many needles in this size, and that's what I started out using. Alternatively, I could go crazy and use the size 00 steel needles I also have lots of. I even found some wool yarn a little bigger than sewing thread, hiding in with the yarn I use for doll hair. >> I'm having real trouble getting my size right. > >Stockings should be 75-90% of the measurement of your >leg, up to 100% at the ankles. >Otherwise, as you've found out, the stocking fits like >a sweater. OH! No wonder my sock-knitter friend was no help here. She only knits ankle socks, not full-length stockings. Knitting baby stockings might work well for my purpose. They'd go quickly, the tourists would think they were cute, and they wouldn't have to fit any real person. And apparently there was a big stocking-knitting industry in England in the 1500s, mostly for export. >Purling tends to be a different tension than knitting, >so a flat swatch will nearly always come out >different. Another thing my knitter mother ever told me. She knits almost exclusively in the round, on modern circular needles. >I suppose you could knit up the garter stitch & only >then make the knitting circular. That would sure make the first couple of rows easier. >Maybe a single purl stitch at the start of every >round, the 'seam stitch'. That's one I actually knew, but had forgotten it amid my other troubles. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:13:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LDARM029060 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LCRYF011807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LCPJT099974; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51105.mail.yahoo.com (web51105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74LCHJT099865 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804211201.19462.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:12:01 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: According to the OED stockinet (or stockingette) is a knitted fabric, but it doesn't supply any quotations earlier than the 19th century, so I don't know why Period Patterns are using the word in a Tudor context. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby Oh. I'd better do more research on this hat then. I was thinking that I did not recall seeing one in any of the Tudor or Elizabethan portraits I've seen. And the one on the pattern is not knitted, well, does not look knitted to me anyway. I'd better do more research before I wear it to an event. Boy would I be embarrassed. Thanks Kate. Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:14:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LEtRM029068 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LEFYF012093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LEAJT001312; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51105.mail.yahoo.com (web51105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74LE7JT001231 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804211356.19822.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:13:56 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oh deer was: Iron Jawed Angels To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: plant a deer garden in your present spot. some suggestions, De Oh, I like that idea! Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:25:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LPnRM029173 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:25:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LNsYF012946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LNlJT007826; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51104.mail.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74LNhJT007750 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804212008.25279.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:20:08 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040804132821.016c2420@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO American Girl Doll. Unfortunately, they're vinyl, so we can't take them to actual historical events. But she takes hers to printer's fairs where she's doing demos. Hers is quite an eye-catcher, standing next to the little press, wearing a little printer's apron, etc. She printed tiny calling cards for her doll and mine. (Too bad they're vinyl - they've got the coolest period accessories, for several centuries.) CarolynKayta Barrows I've never seen one. Is there somewhere on the web to see one? That sounds really cute, dressing it like what your portraying. I like that. Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:42:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74Lg8RM029235 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LfVYF014635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LfTJT020200; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LfQJT020097 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0335.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.80]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE33E3194C8 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <411157FB.7090705@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:41:15 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, but no I really want to embroider it. I know that there is trim of almost simular design as the one on the dress but it just doesn't look right. Real embroidery looks so much nicer. But I don't know wich embroidery techniek would be best to use and wil be right for the period. I really want to recreate this dress as close as possible. It will probably take years but I don't mind. Mmm I am tired and my englisch gets really bad.. Greetings, Deredere otsisto wrote: >It looks like raised embroidery on navy colored ribbon or velvet. >Are you saying that you are looking for trim that is similar and not that >you want to embroider it? >Have you had a look at Calontir Trim? >http://www.calontirtrim.com/catalog.htm > >http://www.calontirtrim.com/cgi-bin/dqryPublicTwoColors.ASP?%5BColor1%5D=bla >ck&%5BColor2%5D=Metalic+gold > >http://www.calontirtrim.com/cgi-bin/dqryPublicTwoColors.ASP?%5BColor1%5D=blu >e&%5BColor2%5D=gold > >http://www.calontirtrim.com/queries/showtrim.asp?trimid=523 > >De > >-----Original Message----- >It is my favorite. >I really want to recreate this dress complete with the embroidery. >The only problem is that we stil haven't figuret out what to use for the >embroidery. >It looks like the stip of embroidery is fairly stif. >Is it dark blue green silk backed with someting to make it stif? Or maby >velvet? >The gold can be tread or some sort of gold work? >I have been looking at several gold plated stuf to use but I know to >little of goldwork to see what would be best to use. >The painting is so small that it is hard to see. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Bluedress/Bluedress.html > >Greetings, > Deredere > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LndRM029263 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L8wYF011428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74L8tJT097591; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51105.mail.yahoo.com (web51105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74L8pJT097479 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804210815.18444.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:08:15 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002a01c47a4d$46679340$fe29bc3f@susyhp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susy wrote: Have you tried "Irish Sping" bath soap in a nylon stocking hung from a branch? That's usually pretty effective, just replenish the soap after it dissolves. Nothing's perfect, but the strong scent seems to turn them off. How about ideas for keeping black bears out of the fruit trees/garden. This is a new one for me. Susy Don't know if there is anything you can do for bears. I only have them when the apples start falling off the tree in the fall, by then I don't mind them eating them. I'll try the Irish spring soap, couldent hurt. Thanks, Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:50:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LoCRM029267 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:50:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LndYF015332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LnYJT025807; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51104.mail.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i74LnUJT025683 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:49:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040804214535.32253.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.246.144] by web51104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:45:35 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004401c47a35$53e071d0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brandy Deming wrote: Thank you for the tip. Some might be interested in an item I found at my local art store... Liquid Gloves. It goes on like lotion and then you can peel away all the ickyness that comes with certain projects (especially with kids). Just thought y'all would like to know. I use that is the garden. It keeps the dirt from staining my hands. Works great for that but I've never tried to use it to get rid of ruff, dry skin. Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LrBRM029275 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:53:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LpJYF015545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LpHJT027020; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LpFJT026999 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.57.241.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.57.241] helo=HELENPINTO) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsTfF-000713-NI for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:51:14 -0700 Message-ID: <018c01c47a6d$24e703c0$f1399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040804211201.19462.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:50:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9ef23b8635c91e56310877a155554575efa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.241 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Metropolitan Museum of Art, _The Secular Spirit: Life and Art at the End of the Middle Ages_, E P Dutton and Co, New York, NY, 1975 The book above is a catalogue from an exhibit thirty years ago at the Cloisters (part of the Met). I saw the exhibit more than a dozen times, and this catalogue covers much of what was on display. It was stuff- tools of the trade, articles of clothing, household goods, what I'm really interested in. It occasionally comes back into print, due to popular demand, and used copies are available for under $20. It's worth having- there are 320 items catalogued with text and a black and white photo; about two dozen are in color. You should also be able to get it via ILL. Anyway, on page 75 are two Tudor caps, one a flat cap with a multi-piece brim, and the other more a scholar/cleric's cap with earflaps. While black and white, the pictures are excellent and clearly show they are knitted in what today is called stockinette stitch. I remember being very surprised at the time to find out they were knitted and not woven. Also, by statute, to support the home manufacturing, all men and boys over the age of six were required to wear hats of "wool, knit thick and dressed in England". Also, here's a link to a picture of the Monmouth cap, another Tudor cap which more closely resembles a watch cap. It's also knit in stockinette stitch. http://polaris.umuc.edu/~jthies/sca/knitmonmouthcap.html I think you can go ahead and knit it, then proudly wear your work. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 17:54:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74LsERM029278 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:54:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LqKYF015648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LqHJT027696; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LqFJU027575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74M2e4I008956 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:02:41 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040804145043.0254ad20@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:52:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oh deer was: Iron Jawed Angels In-Reply-To: <20040804211356.19822.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Crossbows are period, no? And quiet, too! Katie At 02:13 PM 8/4/2004 -0700, you wrote: >otsisto wrote: > plant a deer garden in your present spot. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 18:00:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74M0rRM029304 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:00:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LxxYF016361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LxsJT032868; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74LxqJT032838 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.57.241.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.57.241] helo=HELENPINTO) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsTna-0007Aa-Qz for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:59:51 -0700 Message-ID: <01e001c47a6e$5b915960$f1399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040804212008.25279.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:59:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9ef4a1ced156e4d4369ac03526433ffb4c1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.241 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I became all too familiar with the American Girl dolls thanks to my cousin's daughter. (Once more, with feeling, it's not Barbie...) Their website is here; hold onto your wallet: http://www.americangirl.com/ You can spend almost $1K completely kitting out your doll with all her clothes, furniture, and stuff. Last year, I started making the clothes myself, and saving a bundle. Too bad the pattern companies dropped most of the historical patterns from the catalogue this year. I just finished transferring the patterns to interfacing so I can get another few year's out of them. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 18:03:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74M3TRM029315 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:03:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74M2oYF016599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:02:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74M2oJT035019; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:02:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74M2lJT034975 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26416 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT--Listmembers: Who's got the virus? In-Reply-To: <411146DA.50909@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Lavolta Press wrote: > You may never have had the virus at all, or passed it on. Actually, Fran, my concern was not that I have the virus -- I work in a UNIX-based email program, and I know I don't have the virus. Besides, as I noted, the messages are being blocked at my ISP firewall. I just get a note that they were blocked, and what name is in the "from" line. I posted out of hope that the list of addresses would be recognizable to someone on this list, who is infected and does not know it. The infected person most likely has all those addresses on his/her computer, and the virus is choosing them randomly. And these are indeed coming to my direct address, not to a generic domain address. The bounceback problem you describe is a certainly real one, but not the one I was writing about. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 18:30:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74MUxRM029490 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MUGYF019316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MUBJT053605; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MU8JU053575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74MRGtY020555 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:27:16 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4111636E.8040108@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:30:06 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Oh deer was: Iron Jawed Angels References: <20040804211356.19822.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040804211356.19822.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The web is a great source of information on this sort of thing -- try google searches and so forth under something like "organic deer control" or similar. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent "This way to the Egress" T-shirts & whatnot for sale: http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 18:35:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74MZ7RM029542 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MXAYF019590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MXAJT055352; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MX6JT055314 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 78so354677rnl for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.1 with SMTP id h1mr84049rng; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc80408041533a6d91e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:33:06 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls In-Reply-To: <01e001c47a6e$5b915960$f1399b04@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040804212008.25279.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> <01e001c47a6e$5b915960$f1399b04@HELENPINTO> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I own one. Got it used at a rummage sale for a quarter. Her head was off and she was naked. I nearly cried when I got her LOL AG lovers will get it. All my patterns for her are ironed on to interfacing and used over and over so that I can give all my little friends outfits for their AG's or AG sized dollies. I even have some SCA style AG clothing. B. eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:59:45 -0400, Helen Pinto wrote: > I became all too familiar with the American Girl dolls thanks to my cousin's > daughter. (Once more, with feeling, it's not Barbie...) Their website is > here; hold onto your wallet: > http://www.americangirl.com/ > You can spend almost $1K completely kitting out your doll with all her > clothes, furniture, and stuff. > Last year, I started making the clothes myself, and saving a bundle. Too > bad the pattern companies dropped most of the historical patterns from the > catalogue this year. I just finished transferring the patterns to > interfacing so I can get another few year's out of them. > -Helen/Aidan -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 18:36:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74MaYRM029558 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:36:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MZrYF019863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MZqJT057084; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MZmJT057009 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.159] (pm5-159.eos.net [205.133.149.159]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74MZgCw024572 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:32:59 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408042112.i74LCnJU000425@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] printer's fairs? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn: What printer's fairs are you talking about? What kind of tiny printing press do you have? If you have not guessed, we are printers -- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 19:00:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74N0CRM029821 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:00:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MwSYF022212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MwPJT072096; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MwNJT072072 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040804225821.GUVJ14580.out011.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <007401c47a76$8b811a40$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41114F5A.6080307@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] anyone seen this book and want to comment? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:58:23 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:58:21 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yummy! B (who always likes to comment) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] anyone seen this book and want to comment? > I'm considering ordering this: > > Los Calzoncillos / Underwear > by Birgit Engel > > http://tinyurl.com/6r3eu > > > Has anyone here seen it? Own it? Want to comment? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 19:08:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74N82RM029858 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:08:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74N7JYF023361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74N7HJT077820; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74N7DJT077781 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040804230713.JBJC1210.out007.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <00c801c47a77$c83d6460$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:07:14 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:07:13 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Speaking of new pictures. I have some decent news. I will be doing work study for my art professor come September and will be documenting and labeling her slides, many of which are for Art History. SOOOO, if anyone has any special interest in the pics, I will certainly keep an eye out and see if I can get a website together for her slides. Here's hoping, B ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian > At least it's new to me. > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybm_costumes/blue_dress/index.htm > > De > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 19:09:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74N9wRM029863 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:09:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74N9IYF023525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74N9HJT078907; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74N9EJT078874 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040804230912.FMLL8960.out008.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c47a78$0f48a5e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:09:13 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:09:12 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really like the dress of Anne of Austria. Didn't know Austria was a [SCA] period location. Learn something new everyday. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish > http://www.geocities.com/audreybm_costumes/spanish/index.htm > > De > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 19:23:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74NN2RM030027 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NMPYF024507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NMMJT086493; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NMJJT086462 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040804232219.KFC3910.out005.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:22:19 -0500 Message-ID: <016701c47a79$e4270350$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040804214535.32253.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:22:20 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:22:18 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh no, doesn't get rid of dry skin, maybe rough skin, but since it takes the natural oils away, moisturize after use :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Receipt for removing roughness from fingers > > > Brandy Deming wrote: > Thank you for the tip. Some might be interested in an item I found at my > local art store... Liquid Gloves. It goes on like lotion and then you can > peel away all the ickyness that comes with certain projects (especially with > kids). Just thought y'all would like to know. > > I use that is the garden. It keeps the dirt from staining my hands. Works great for that but I've never tried to use it to get rid of ruff, dry skin. > > Anne/Cheri > > > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 19:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74NgaRM030140 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NfxYF025842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NfuJT097160; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f4.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NfpJT097075 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:41:46 -0700 Received: from 146.126.51.51 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:41:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [146.126.51.51] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:41:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 23:41:46.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AA82260:01C47A7C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress_doco.htm this is from one of my other list. Very interesting. Wilhelmina _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:05:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7505sRM030250 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:05:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75046Z5027577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NviJT005659; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NvgJT005612 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.147.301407bf (4184) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <147.301407bf.2e42d1e7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:57:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/4/2004 6:00:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: Last year, I started making the clothes myself, and saving a bundle. Too bad the pattern companies dropped most of the historical patterns from the catalogue this year. I just finished transferring the patterns to interfacing so I can get another few year's out of them. -Helen/Aidan The American Girl dolls are charming, but, I think, outrageously expensive. I would have wanted one desperately as a child but there is no way our family could have afforded such a thing. But there are much cheaper versions out there--I got one for about $10. And most people on this list are probably talented enough that you could take basic patterns that fit the dolls and turn them into historic outfits. (Home Sew, a notions company in Pennsylvania, also sells dressmakers forms for both AG and Barbies, so you can create clothes some for other little girl's doll, even if you don't have one.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:05:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7505vRM030253 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:05:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75046Z7027577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74NwAJT005844; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74Nw8JT005825 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040804235807.FYHF23440.out009.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01a201c47a7e$e509cff0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040802214957.59094.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love a kilt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:58:09 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:58:07 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We sure do! Boy was it cute! B > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > You have gotten me quite curious also. But ill bet it is a nice but you are > enjoying. Wimen loves a nice but! > > Bjarne > > > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:06:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7506vRM030257 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:06:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7506IYF027873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7506GJT010143; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7506FJT010095 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1283214 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:06:09 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:06:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very interesting site. Thanks. Not costume but related: The combination of the very Italian art with the Turkish dressings made me think of an exhibit I saw last week. I was at the Getty Museum complex last week and they have an exhibit, The Art of Fire, showing the Islamic influence on Italian art, mostly in plates, glassware and other useful and decorative ware made of ceramics and glass. I KNEW there was an influence, but to see two pieces next to each other, one from Islam and one from Christian Italy, was really remarkable. Those decorations we think of as purely Italian aren't. If you can get to Los Angeles to the Getty do so! There's a book to go with the exhibit, but at $40 for the paperback and $60 for the hardbound version, I had to pass on it. Historic clothing content: At B. Black and Sons in L.A., I got two pieces of beautiful wool with which to make a couple of 1890s walking skirts. Or maybe one walking skirt and one new 1860s skirt for Dickens Christmas Faire this year. LynnD On 8/4/04 4:41 PM, "teawithablackdragon *" wrote: > http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress_doco.htm > > > this is from one of my other list. Very interesting. > > Wilhelmina > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:07:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7507MRM030262 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7505WYF027778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:05:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7505TJT009738; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7505RJU009719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7506agw026631 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:06:36 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Listmembers: Who's got the virus? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:12:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408042012.24380.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 04 August 2004 2:56 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] > So: If you have most or all of the following addresses in your addressbook > or saved mail -- as well as my address, of course -- then it's probably > you, and you should get checked for the "Worm.SomeFool.P" virus. > > dwloring@neuro.mcg.edu > tedking@coslink.net > abrasion@iol.it > butterflydjd@mindspring.com > summitinn@jackpine.com > dmartin@valpakdet.com > contactsalestools@coxtarget.com > eileenwunder@prodigy.net > masq10@aol.com I don't use my address book on my home machine. My home machine is a Linux, and my mail program is KMail. For some reason, I have never succeeded in getting addresses out again after inputting them into the Address Book--so I gave up trying several years ago. We have our system set up to receive messages from my work machine relayed to my home machine. My work machine is a Windows box, and I do have an address book on it. However, I have never sent mail to h-costume from my work machine. In addition, none of the above addresses are in my work box's address book, or in any saved mail from either machine that I recall. Finally, given the number of people on the list, it's certainly possibly that more than one list member has had their box infected.... -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:17:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i750HaRM030318 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:17:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750FfYF028489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750FcJT015181; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750FRJT014998 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so323167rnk for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.72 with SMTP id m72mr116182rne; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040804171520b80adf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:15:25 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls In-Reply-To: <147.301407bf.2e42d1e7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <147.301407bf.2e42d1e7@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The cheaper versions are just that. Cheap. The AGs are well made solid dolls with lifetime warranties on them. The company is very solid (Pleasant Company) with an excellent reputation. The cheapie ones will fall apart and not last. eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:57:27 EDT, annbwass@aol.com > The American Girl dolls are charming, but, I think, outrageously expensive. I > would have wanted one desperately as a child but there is no way our family > could have afforded such a thing. But there are much cheaper versions out > there--I got one for about $10. And most people on this list are probably talented > enough that you could take basic patterns that fit the dolls and turn them > into historic outfits. (Home Sew, a notions company in Pennsylvania, also sells > dressmakers forms for both AG and Barbies, so you can create clothes some for > other little girl's doll, even if you don't have one.) > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:21:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i750LaRM030337 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:21:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750KuYF028780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750KuJT017960; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750KrJT017940 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040805002052.DVGJ24402.out002.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <027801c47a82$12b27940$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:20:53 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:20:52 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I loved it, doing a painting series on cells and viruses. Glad to see I'm not the only one who loves the look of our building blocks (and the occasional demolition crew). B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 20:51:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i750peRM030446 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:51:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750ieYF000692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750ibJT030559; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i750iXJT030446 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p50-max8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.204.114] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BsWMo-00006E-00; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:44:22 +1200 Message-ID: <008601c47a85$58cdd520$72ccadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c47a54$7a439ef0$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:44:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I guess we are bogging the site down! I get a message which says it has > exceeded its data transfer?? > >http://www.geocities.com/audreybm_costumes/spanish/index.htm The owner also needs to create smaller displaying thumbnails to help this situation. It'll reduce the amount of bandwidth for each page view. As far as I can tell the full sized images are being displayed just by altering the the width and height attributes int he img tag. That's the way it looked as I watched the images load last night. I have all of those, and you can see some really nice large images of some on http://www.bildindex.de if you look under Coello. The other's I have are from the Prado Museum book (which is magnificent if you can get you hands on a copy) and a book on Felipe II. Also produced by/for the Prado. I plan on uploading the images as I have been using them for reference: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 21:06:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7516XRM030545 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:06:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7514dYF001626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7514ZJT041792; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7514XJT041772 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i751cS5c020382 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:38:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i751cSRG020381 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408050138.i751cSRG020381@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian In-Reply-To: <00c801c47a77$c83d6460$547c0f04@brandyscomp> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Speaking of new pictures. I have some decent news. I will be doing work > study for my art professor come September and will be documenting and > labeling her slides, many of which are for Art History. SOOOO, if anyone has > any special interest in the pics, I will certainly keep an eye out and see > if I can get a website together for her slides. Silly woman. You had to ask? Of course we (*I*) want to see them -- especially if there's stuff that you don't See Every Day! Jerusha, the packrat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 21:34:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i751YERM030691 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i751XMYF003245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i751XKJT054123; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i751XIJT054107 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-58-060.jps.net ([209.165.58.60] helo=KALC) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BsX89-0002Yl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:33:18 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:33:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ORNATE ANTIQUE Neyret Freres woven silk picture SAMPLER X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a very interesting item for sale on ebay at the moment described as "SCARCE c.1800's BLACKWORK EMBROIDERY SAMPLER TEXTILE". Looks just like a photograph but the description says it is an embroidery. Definitely not a sampler. It doesn't look like embroidery to me at all. Is anyone on the list familiar with embroidery that is done to imitate a photograph? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2223&item=2260508462& rd=1 Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 21:44:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i751ipRM030739 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:44:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i751iDYF003758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i751iBJT058748; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i751i8JT058667 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp04.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.124]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABATDEG3ABXVYMA for (sender ); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5463 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 01:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.64.128) by smtp04.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 01:43:25 -0000 Message-ID: <004201c47a8d$9687dc00$f210bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040804210815.18444.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:43:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:2730354243 X-MAIL-INFO: 4498c9d968d87998f168255989b509c9bd599c0941a1f109ac25e855b8556c7d08ccfc55791d79ec19457c0800194cfcf5081d4c95416d4c49f90139f8392ced75b8cd3931a931e135b94d751135d1cd1c75a9d1b56c25e925cce5b1cce57d19e57d19b5d888c191984d2d4d689c8c695d4da1fcf9a5b8a5395885395835cd5835 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofwqAonA/NggzZEplS6ANt15uPrP95T8TM X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My bear seems to like the green apple "drops". S/he's not waiting for them to ripen! Good luck with the deer! Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Iron Jawed Angels > > > Susy wrote: > Have you tried "Irish Sping" bath soap in a nylon stocking hung from a > branch? That's usually pretty effective, just replenish the soap after it > dissolves. Nothing's perfect, but the strong scent seems to turn them off. > How about ideas for keeping black bears out of the fruit trees/garden. This > is a new one for me. > Susy > > > Don't know if there is anything you can do for bears. I only have them when the apples start falling off the tree in the fall, by then I don't mind them eating them. I'll try the Irish spring soap, couldent hurt. > > Thanks, > > Anne/Cheri > > > > Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be > those you know hereafter." > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 23:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i753XhRM031485 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753X4YF009628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753WsJT005596; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f19.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753WqJT005540 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:32:46 -0700 Received: from 129.244.96.44 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:32:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.44] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:32:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2004 03:32:46.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[E04A2960:01C47A9C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Susan Farmer >Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my >guess... Logical. I was 8 shots in. Rewound and pulled the roll, then tried with a different roll - same thing. The film advance lever was moving moving freely without actually doing anything. 5 hours later, I tried again and it was fine. I'm trying to take pictures of the original library building and with all the hassle I've had with the camera this week, I'm almost thinking that it's evil spirits :) Marc _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 4 23:37:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i753b4RM031504 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753aRYF009881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753aPJT007092; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753aMJT007040 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.9a.10fe3388 (4380) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.10fe3388.2e43052d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:36:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/4/2004 8:16:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jacquelinejbump@gmail.com writes: The company is very solid (Pleasant Company) with an excellent reputation. Well, they've been bought out by Mattel. I don't deny the dolls are well-made, but not all families can afford them. When I mentioned that to someone from the original company, her reply was, "Well, there are grandmothers." Excuse me, but many grandmothers are on limited fixed incomes. Don't know how well the inexpensive ones would hold up, as I'm in between generations--stepdaughter too old to have had one and granddaughter too young yet. But I for one am glad there is an alternative. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 00:01:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7541CRM031672 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:01:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753xGYF011111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753xEJT016933; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i753xCJT016909 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57782A90E for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:59:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p445.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.191]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B016D4BB for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:59:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:59:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41108CB0.9070706@kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am curious as to the treatment of the seams on her sleeves. Is it ruffled, braidwork,herringbone embroidery stitch? De -----Original Message----- It is my favorite. I really want to recreate this dress complete with the embroidery. The only problem is that we stil haven't figuret out what to use for the embroidery. It looks like the stip of embroidery is fairly stif. Is it dark blue green silk backed with someting to make it stif? Or maby velvet? The gold can be tread or some sort of gold work? I have been looking at several gold plated stuf to use but I know to little of goldwork to see what would be best to use. The painting is so small that it is hard to see. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Bluedress/Bluedress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 00:57:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i754vpRM032690 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754vGYF013578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754vFJT041005; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754ugJT040689 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-101-249.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.101.249] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BsaIz-0002VC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:56:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <027801c47a82$12b27940$547c0f04@brandyscomp> References: <027801c47a82$12b27940$547c0f04@brandyscomp> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:46:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 5:20 PM -0700 8/4/04, Brandy Deming wrote: >I loved it, doing a painting series on cells and viruses. Glad to see I'm >not the only one who loves the look of our building blocks (and the >occasional demolition crew). Me too -- back when I worked in tissue sectioning and staining I was continually amazed at the accidental artistry of my profession. I saved a whole collection of photos from some of our research projects simply because they were so beautiful. I'm particularly fond of the cerebellum, although you could get some amazing effects with the right combination of stains on ordinary tonsil. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 00:58:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i754wqRM032697 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:58:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754v3YF013522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754v1JT040869; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:57:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754uhJT040699 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-101-249.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.101.249] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BsaJ1-0002VC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:56:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:53:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] ORNATE ANTIQUE Neyret Freres woven silk picture SAMPLER Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 6:33 PM -0700 8/4/04, lisa-list wrote: >There is a very interesting item for sale on ebay at the moment described as >"SCARCE c.1800's BLACKWORK EMBROIDERY SAMPLER TEXTILE". Looks just like a >photograph but the description says it is an embroidery. Definitely not a >sampler. It doesn't look like embroidery to me at all. Is anyone on the >list familiar with embroidery that is done to imitate a photograph? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2223&item=2260508462& >rd=1 > > The description further down refers to "Jacquard weaving" and makes it fairly clear that this is a woven design. Did the seller even read the descriptive essay? I have no idea how they turned that description into "blackwork embroidery"! Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 01:16:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i755G9RM032757 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 01:16:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i755EHYF014382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i755EFJT048417; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i755EDJT048395 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3032A7BE for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p687.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.213.180]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19200D42B for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:14:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:14:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040803202912.29072.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The head piece IX aka stockingette, looks familiar. Most of the drawings are from portraits such as XVI is Elinor of Toledo. If you can find the portrait that IX corrolates to, then you can see what it is suppose to look like. My two cents. De -----Original Message----- I've just finished making the stockingette cap on this pattern with scrap fabric. http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=pp52.html& cart_id=7449289.25256 It's # IX Stockingette Cap It turned out well, I'll make the "stocking" part longer with the good fabric. My question is what do you suppose it's made from? The Tudors were very fond of making their hats from velvet, tho on the pic both pieces have a pattern. Does anyone know what would be the period proper fabric to use for 1490-1580 Tudor? Anne/Cheri Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 01:46:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i755kARM000453 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 01:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754i2YF012983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754hxJT035590; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i754hvJT035571 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0202A7DC for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:43:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p687.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.213.180]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B068D456 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:43:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <411157FB.7090705@kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What the embroidery looks like is either raised/stuffed embroidery or more likely gold work embroidery. There are books on how to embroider using this technique. Here are a few http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-0615119-2942515 It isn't hard to do once you get the hang of it. I embroidered a badge on a baldric with the crane in couched gold thread but it was with fake gold and not the real stuff. I vaguely remember that there are at least 3 types of gold threads used. The couching thread is silk, usually yellow, occasionally red. Wish you well in you quest and may your enthusiasm never fade away. De -----Original Message----- Thanks, but no I really want to embroider it. I know that there is trim of almost simular design as the one on the dress but it just doesn't look right. Real embroidery looks so much nicer. But I don't know wich embroidery techniek would be best to use and wil be right for the period. I really want to recreate this dress as close as possible. It will probably take years but I don't mind. Mmm I am tired and my englisch gets really bad.. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 02:47:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i756l6RM015658 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i756kPYF018209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i756kFJT088082; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:46:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i756kDJT088020 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:46:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C0CB3180126B for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:46:07 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 5 Aug 2004 06:43:40 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7634EC610C; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:46:07 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.219.101.96] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:46:07 -0500 From: "kathleen lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:46:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats X-Originating-Ip: 129.219.101.96 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040805064607.7634EC610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:41:46 +0000 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats > http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress_doco.htm > > > this is from one of my other list. Very interesting. > Very interesting, thanks for posting it. I'm not sure that this really proves that Venitian women wore Turkish dress in their everyday life, though. All of the women appear to be dressed up as Biblical characters, so the Turkish dress may be intended to make them look "exotic" and Eastern. OTOH, if I were doing a masque or Carnival costume, these would *so* be the place to start. -katie Xander: You up for a little reconnaissance? Buffy: You mean where we all sculpt and paint and stuff? Xander: No, that was the Renaissance. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 04:20:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i758KVRM014917 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 04:20:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i758JUYF021064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i758JQJT026260; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i758JNJT026248 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-65-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.94]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i758JHNZ019310 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 04:19:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040805005309.018c12a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:16:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] printer's fairs? In-Reply-To: References: <200408042112.i74LCnJU000425@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >What printer's fairs are you talking about? I'm talking about the kind my friend goes to, without me. This is letterpress printing, on cast iron presses, where you set lead type yourself, letter by letter. There's a letterpress list my friend is on, and a printing museum in the city of Carson, CA. She's the one who really cares about this, not me. She even does costumed living history at a museum in San Jose which has an old print shop, complete with type, presses, ink, and paper, in which she and her fellow printers can play. (I think she did her Master's thesis on female printers in San Jose, CA, in the 1800s.) >What kind of tiny printing press do you have? None whatsoever. The only cast iron machinery around my house is sewing machines. My friend has as many presses as I have sewing machines, except that her hobby weighs more. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 04:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i758M7RM015086 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 04:22:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i758K3YF021094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i758K3JT026566; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:20:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i758JQJT026258 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-65-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.94]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i758JHNb019310 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 04:19:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040805005803.018c4e10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:22:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls In-Reply-To: <147.301407bf.2e42d1e7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The American Girl dolls are charming, but, I think, outrageously expensive. I >would have wanted one desperately as a child but there is no way our family >could have afforded such a thing. But there are much cheaper versions out >there--I got one for about $10. And most people on this list are probably >talented >enough that you could take basic patterns that fit the dolls and turn them >into historic outfits. (Home Sew, a notions company in Pennsylvania, also >sells >dressmakers forms for both AG and Barbies, so you can create clothes some for >other little girl's doll, even if you don't have one.) The AGD accessories are good enough for almost any re-enactor, and there is a pretty complete set for each period of doll. Each AGD doll has dishes, furniture, toys, and even a contemporary dolly. The stuff's all well made, like using wood or glass where wood or glass were used in the originals, and not actually overpriced for the work that went into them. Sticker shock, oh yes, but not overpriced for what you get. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 05:39:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i759dkRM000618 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i759ZQYF024225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i759ZJJT057344; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i759ZEJT057248 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:33:39 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Girl Dolls (WAS: Elizabethan stockings) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38DD@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] American Girl Dolls (WAS: Elizabethan stockings) Thread-Index: AcR6aCQa1nqUVXFVSiujBzWphBww2QAZeSEw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > American Girl Doll. Unfortunately, they're vinyl, so we > can't take them to actual historical events. But she takes > hers to printer's fairs where she's doing demos. Hers is > quite an eye-catcher, standing next to the little press, > wearing a little printer's apron, etc. She printed tiny > calling cards for her doll and mine. (Too bad they're vinyl > - they've got the coolest period accessories, for several centuries.) I had a look at hte AGD shop when I was in Chicago last year (I was lucky I was visiting chicago where their only shop at the time was located, i had assumed there woud be outlets in all major American cities) and decided against getting one - I dislike dolls that have cloth bodies and vinyl limbs on the grounds that you're restricted in the types of outfits you can dress them in wuithout the cloth to vinyl join showing (necklines in particular on the AGD's. I got a Magic Attic club doll instead - same height, slightly slimmer build and all vinyl. Shape altering corsetting is the only thing thing that can't be done on a vinyl bodied doll and since they are *child* dolls, there's a minimum, if any of that in any given period. The dolls in the Magic Attic collection underwent remodelling/redesign last year and the old designs were discontinued. Lots of places sold them off cheap so I grabbed one at a bargain price (I preferred the old face on the Megan doll anyway). Of course, I don't actually have my doll yet because I'm stingy enough to want a bargain price to remain a bargain price (and international postage rates don't allow for that) so I had her sent to Karen in Chicago because Karen is nice enough to bring the doll over for me next time she visits. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 05:51:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i759paRM000641 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:51:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i759lKYF024658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i759lFJT062039; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i759knJT061842 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 03:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:45:34 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38DE@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls Thread-Index: AcR6fQqAf9vhSSu4Q+CxfHWNiMwVgQAU5b9A content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Too bad the pattern companies > dropped most of the historical patterns from the catalogue > this year. I just finished transferring the patterns to > interfacing so I can get another few year's out of them. I invested in a load of them unused and cheap on Ebay last year (plus patterns for other dolls of the same and different sizes) and have now backed most of them with iron-on interfacing even thoguh I haven't used any of them yet. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 08:41:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75CfuRM003293 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75CfDYF002900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Cf9JT034551; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Cf6JT034489 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:41:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from M311@aol.com) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.a0.130efd1b (3850) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:40:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Dessing AGD dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/4/2004 11:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: The cheaper versions are just that. Cheap. I know it depends on the company. I forget the name but Shopko was selling ones that were very well made. Target also and Target sells furniture for them. The Pleasant Company are not the only ones that sell nice and sturdy dolls. I know they want you to believe that though. The only thing I really have against them is they advertise so much their prices are so high the normal family can't afford to buy them. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 09:13:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75DDERM003849 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:13:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DCNYF004466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DCHJT048054; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DCAJT047806 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i75DCJP08580.; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:12:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:48:58 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:48:40 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is stockinette stitch what we British call stocking stitch (one row knit, one row purl in straight knitting)? I knew they had knitted caps in Tudor times, but I only know "stockinette" as a fabric name. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> hpinto@mindspring.com 04/08/2004 22:50:55 >>> >Anyway, on page 75 are two Tudor caps, one a flat cap with a multi-piece >brim, and the other more a scholar/cleric's cap with earflaps. While black >and white, the pictures are excellent and clearly show they are knitted in >what today is called stockinette stitch. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 09:48:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75Dm3RM004117 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:48:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DlOYF006647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DlNJT065352; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DlJJT065307 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.143]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040805134551.OHCE18206.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: <029a01c47af2$58329200$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, thanks for this site, I had not ever stumbled across it before. The Titian painting of the lady in green has been on my to-do list for a while now, I have the coat, I just need to do the pearl/beadwork on it. :-) I am almost finished a knee length coat that is cut the same as the solid brown one in this picture: http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/Portrait_of_Caterina_Coronaro_as_Saint_Catheri ne_of_Alexandria_1542_uffizi (you may have to cut and paste that) Mine is in a solid toffee/orange coloured silk with an orange/cream/red/brown striped cotton lining. I have a white silk gauze shirt (gomlek) and a pair of pants (shalvar/shalwar) in a very dark green satin, with a pair of cotton gauze pants to go under that. The ankle length over coat is a light wool of dark green, lined with a pale yellow cotton (which I still need to block-print). To finish the outfit off, I have a black velvet hat (shaped like a pillbox but slightly taller) which I still have to embellesh. I have to say, the thing I really like about Turkish and Persian garments, is that it is extremely comfortable, can be very economical even when you use expensive fabrics, and you can look very feminine while still wearing pants. :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 09:48:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75Dm4RM004120 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Dk4YF006584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Dk2JT064643; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DjwJU064594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DjsXc004439 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: <41123A2F.30508@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:46:23 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap References: <20040804211201.19462.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040804211201.19462.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO These may be of use. They are both Flemish, early-mid 16th century, and worn by young women. (I know I've seen others but can't find them at the moment. I believe they are all found on younger women, but can't be sure.) I was looking at this construction awhile ago thinking about how it connects to the French Hood. The last image is a medallion of Mary I in profile. It is not the same cap, but may show how a later possible evolution of the same idea was constructed. Jan GOSSAERT (called Mabuse) Young Girl with Astronomic Instrument c. 1520 http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/g/gossaert/2/girl.jpg Master of the Female half-length, Flemish, 1530-1540 http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/m/master/female/concert.jpg - Hope Cheri wrote: > Oh. I'd better do more research on this hat then. I was thinking that I did not recall seeing one in any of the Tudor or Elizabethan portraits I've seen. > > And the one on the pattern is not knitted, well, does not look knitted to me anyway. I'd better do more research before I wear it to an event. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 09:57:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75Dv1RM004148 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Du9YF007228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Du8JT070126; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:56:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Du6JT070101 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:56:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so8942rnk for ; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.6 with SMTP id a6mr13504rnb; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc804080506562570e414@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:56:05 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Dessing AGD dolls In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well I've had AG's in my hand and have had a few knock offs in my hands for making clothes for them and I will stand by the AGs everytime and their $100 price tag. And yes about 6 years ago I bought one for my oldest daughter who I gave up for adoption (open adoption so we still have contact) and yeah at the time I was making great money unlike now where I'm scrabbling but I still say *if* you can afford an AG you should get one and if you can't you should save up for one. I've seen the Target dolls and the weight to the doll is different and the heads aren't the same. And yeah they are a nice subsitute and any little girl young enough won't care but the majority of AG girl's are in the 10-14 age bracket and they *know* the difference. Have them babysit and earn part of the money themselves. In the grand scheme $100 isn't a lot to earn when some sitters (I know Tar occasionally does) get $3 an hour. -- eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:40:51 EDT, m311@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/2004 11:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > The cheaper versions are just that. Cheap. > I know it depends on the company. I forget the name but Shopko was selling > ones that were very well made. Target also and Target sells furniture for > them. The Pleasant Company are not the only ones that sell nice and sturdy dolls. > I know they want you to believe that though. The only thing I really have > against them is they advertise so much their prices are so high the normal > family can't afford to buy them. > Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 09:57:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75DvwRM004156 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:57:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DvJYF007323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75DvHJT070708; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i75DvDJT070641 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp03.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.123]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABATERD7ABJ2ASS for (sender ); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13278 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 13:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.17.81) by smtp03.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 13:56:01 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c47af3$e45b3240$5111bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9a.10fe3388.2e43052d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:55:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:1951306334 X-MAIL-INFO: 285831b8bc39f15811bc987cf57518319c7cdd1825d81118dc985c48e548f8684dc85948f10df1619169014d1c91ac591d4d0dacf925e8aceccc5dd585d5e96521e508d56da56d78452d28218d454908a921a54975f8988898c871c1c87168917168917539ed059d5828c528bcddd9ad9528d859cc55e555d5197dd51945081945 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofb2Th2AAwSzkQB8lRW3zI2CuXNUvr7UgJ X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My mother purchased similar dolls for my daughters from Target several years ago and they are holding up very well. My kids are hard on everything. And the patterns fit those dolls as well. Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls > In a message dated 8/4/2004 8:16:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jacquelinejbump@gmail.com writes: > The company is very solid > (Pleasant Company) with an excellent reputation. > Well, they've been bought out by Mattel. I don't deny the dolls are > well-made, but not all families can afford them. When I mentioned that to someone from > the original company, her reply was, "Well, there are grandmothers." Excuse > me, but many grandmothers are on limited fixed incomes. > > Don't know how well the inexpensive ones would hold up, as I'm in between > generations--stepdaughter too old to have had one and granddaughter too young > yet. But I for one am glad there is an alternative. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 10:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75EVlRM004309 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:31:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ETqYF009858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ETlJT090195; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ETfJT090080 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21941 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:29:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing AGD dolls Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:29:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <147.301407bf.2e42d1e7@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Harper House(longago.com)has historic patterns that fit American Girl dolls. Check their Timberpond Press(Doll)Catalog. It's online. Also Lincoln Mold Company carries a line of historic patterns for dolls, some that are sized for AGD. They aren't cheap, but since the major pattern companies drop what doesn't sell(or the licensing agreement to use the doll company's image on the pattern envelope and catalog ends), hold onto those historic patterns! Also check Toys R Us for American Girl type dolls. Their Laura Ashley line and Girls on the Go were discontinued and they might still have some left in their stores at discount. Some have very fair complexions which is great for some historic dressing and looks better than the ashy tan skin tones on some of the Target and Shopko AG-type dolls. The AG dolls are expensive but I got a Samantha for my then three year old niece when they first came out. She always took very good care of it and loved the whole idea of a nicer doll with good clothing and accessories, and especially the books. Back then, AG also carried the books on cassette which was great for kids just learning to read. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 11:18:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75FIgRM004583 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:18:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75FHvYF014346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75FHlJT024232; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.211]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75FHjJT024110 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip09.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i75FHbYM005069 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:17:37 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-165.mazo.wi.charter.com (HELO laptop) (24.196.146.165) by mxip09.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 05 Aug 2004 11:17:38 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.83,108,1089000000"; d="scan'208"; a="169199903:sNHT13137308" Message-ID: <003b01c47aff$5b8af8e0$a592c418@mad.wi.charter.com> From: To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:17:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dyeing rayon trim X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am looking to buy some rayon trim and frogs from Cheeptrims in white and was wondering how well they would dye as I need them in some other color (preferably black or golden yellow, possibly red). Anyone have any experience with this? I was planning on just using RIT. Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence My arms are too short to box with God. ~Johnny Cash lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 11:22:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75FMVRM004598 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:22:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75FKfYF014580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75FKeJT026382; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75FKcJT026300 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.5b.555a2c31 (4426) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:20:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.555a2c31.2e43aa3c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:20:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] dyeing rayon trim To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2004 11:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, lotsofteapots@charter.net writes: I was planning on just using RIT. As a rule, rayon takes dye very well. However, the trims might not hold up really well to the necessary dunking in hot water, and it might be difficult to get the color even if you are doing large quantities. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 12:12:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75GCdRM004886 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GC3YF019982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GBvJT065590; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GBsJT065537 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i75Gjs5c026126 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:45:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i75Gjobk026123 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408051645.i75Gjobk026123@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >From: Susan Farmer > >Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my > >guess... > > Logical. I was 8 shots in. Rewound and pulled the roll, then tried with a > different roll - same thing. The film advance lever was moving moving > freely without actually doing anything. > > 5 hours later, I tried again and it was fine. > > I'm trying to take pictures of the original library building and with all > the hassle I've had with the camera this week, I'm almost thinking that it's > evil spirits :) Oh, yes -- there are Evil Camera Spirits. I once had a camera that would *not* take a picture of my cousin Eugene. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 12:23:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75GNrRM005031 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:23:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GJWYF020658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GJGJT071087; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GJCJT071030 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.1]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040805161911.ELXQ24594.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:19:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: "Brandy At Queen's Corner" Organization: Queens Corner Publishing To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:19:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:19:11 -0500 Message-Id: <20040805161911.ELXQ24594.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you still have the photos, if so I would like to pay you for copies of them, for references. b > > From: Heather Rose Jones > Date: 2004/08/04 Wed PM 09:46:44 CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right > > At 5:20 PM -0700 8/4/04, Brandy Deming wrote: > >I loved it, doing a painting series on cells and viruses. Glad to see I'm > >not the only one who loves the look of our building blocks (and the > >occasional demolition crew). > > Me too -- back when I worked in tissue sectioning and staining I was > continually amazed at the accidental artistry of my profession. I > saved a whole collection of photos from some of our research projects > simply because they were so beautiful. I'm particularly fond of the > cerebellum, although you could get some amazing effects with the > right combination of stains on ordinary tonsil. > > Heather > -- > **** > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > **** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 12:24:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75GO8RM005034 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GNUYF021003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GNRJT074325; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GNOJT074281 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.60.131.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.60.131] helo=HELENPINTO) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsl1W-0008EA-B7 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:23:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c47b08$80c7f780$833c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38DE@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:19:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9ef8006f2f9e5465d09d2bd889129655b0f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.131 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: > I invested in a load of them unused and cheap on Ebay last year Thanks for the idea. I had completely forgotten about eBay. I buy batteries for my obsolete mobile and my out-of-date printer there so I should have thought of it. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 12:25:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75GPiRM005066 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GNjYF021061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GNjJT074570; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GNQJT074313 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.155.60.131.dial1.baltimore1.level3.net ([4.155.60.131] helo=HELENPINTO) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsl1Y-0008EA-Gi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c47b08$815f5580$833c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb702e37df12b9c9efa4ec1c2a9ac8af56380a4df61f1fa7b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.131 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate wrote: > Is stockinette stitch what we British call stocking stitch (one row > knit, one row purl in straight knitting)? It must be- the knitting pattern is the same. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 12:52:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75GqQRM005462 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:52:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GpGYF024499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GpDJT097057; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GpBJT096961 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-24-7-132-137.client.comcast.net[24.7.132.137]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20040805165106013004m3uhe>; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:51:06 +0000 Message-ID: <41126580.9040701@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:51:12 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: >> From: Susan Farmer >> Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my >> guess... > > > Logical. I was 8 shots in. Rewound and pulled the roll, then tried > with a different roll - same thing. The film advance lever was moving > moving freely without actually doing anything. > > 5 hours later, I tried again and it was fine. > > I'm trying to take pictures of the original library building and with > all the hassle I've had with the camera this week, I'm almost thinking > that it's evil spirits :) > > Marc > Sounds like some of the bits in the film advance lever are wearing out. Most good camera repair shops will do free repair estimates. liz young, with 3 cameras all needing repair! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 12:57:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75GvjRM005551 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GuxYF025460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GutJT002820; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75GuaJT002432 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.f5.3ee40f29 (17526) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:56:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1760s attire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-I have had a request to send someone info, preferably websites, on 1760s women's apparel in the American colonies. Any suggestions? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 13:14:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75HE9RM005665 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:14:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HDUYF027108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HDQJT015130; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i75HDEJT014966 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 14792 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 17:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 17:13:56 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1047.24.4.69.40.1091725992.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Greetings-I have had a request to send someone info, preferably websites, > on > 1760s women's apparel in the American colonies. > > Any suggestions? > > Ann Wass My first instinct would be to start with Colonial Williamsburg. They have a website and have done a lot of study of the clothing and crafts/trades of that time frame. They have also published a couple of books on costume. I am not sure if your requester has the time to order books, but they are excellent quality and very scholastic and would be well worth it. One that I have is called "Costume Close-Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern 1750-1790" It is a fabulous book! Good luck! Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 13:16:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75HGdRM005675 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:16:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HEmYF027252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HEgJT016135; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HEeJT016065 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1285009 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments look about right. I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? I've never used their patterns but I vaguely remember some strong feelings about M.M. but I don't usually work in this era so I let it slip through the sieves in my brain. Has anyone used these patterns? What should I pay attentions to? Fit? Instructions? How do they go together? ANY help is appreciated. I haven't ordered them yet, so I'm not committed to using them yet. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 13:28:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75HS4RM005720 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HRRYF028328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HRKJT025660; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HRHJT025613 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so22197rnk for ; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.26 with SMTP id h26mr58236rng; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040805102745d9c3ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:14 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO MM doesn't sell them. They are only sold through distributors (I am one myself) Try looking under Period Patterns. eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700, Lynn Downward wrote: > I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in > looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's > German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments > look about right. -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 13:30:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75HUtRM005772 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:30:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HUGYF028756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HUCJT028186; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HUAJU028123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A781CDD44 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 08659-01 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C4BCC1CDD49 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <097201c47b11$c13edf00$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:29:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns > I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in > looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's > German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments > look about right. > > I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even > list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? > > I've never used their patterns but I vaguely remember some strong feelings > about M.M. but I don't usually work in this era so I let it slip through the > sieves in my brain. Has anyone used these patterns? What should I pay > attentions to? Fit? Instructions? How do they go together? I have not used the German pattern, though I've heard some snarls about the instructions for the sleeve pattern. But I have used the Italian pattern extensively, and like it a lot. I do have a tendency though, unless using a completely new technique, to throw the instructions to the side and work it out on my own. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IApRM005970 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:10:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HYCYF029169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HY9JT031233; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HY6JT031118 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.19f.27e66b8a (24895) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:33:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.27e66b8a.2e43c983@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:33:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2004 1:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: One that I have is called "Costume Close-Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern 1750-1790" It is a fabulous book! Thanks--I know about the books, but she specifically requested websites. I know several for the early 19th century, my main period of interest. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:15:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IFORM005987 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:15:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HYdYF029185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75HYcJT031542; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i75HYVJT031410 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040805173425.8777.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.60.172.50] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:34:25 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Doll Sticker Shock RE: [h-cost] Dressing AGD dolls To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For amazing dolls prices, on, admittedly amazing dolls, try looking at SuperDolfie, which run US$6-700 for a naked doll that you have to wig (with a provided wig). Some kits start at 51,000 yen & go up fairly steeply. (per the Volks website, manufacturer) They would be better for costuming 'historical' manga, than true historic costumes. The manga have a certain range of accuracy, but tends not to be every-thread-accurate (I say wryly). Ann Catelli __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:23:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75INIRM006038 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:23:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ILXYF004198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ILUJT067975; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [66.94.32.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IKxJT067408 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from DrJksnSgy@ttlc.net) Received: from ttlc.net [140.186.41.183] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AAF350D4011A; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: <41127A84.3010004@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:20:52 -0400 From: Dot + Lee Fisher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "expert" opinion of Colonial House X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There being a lot of discussion of Colonial House a while back. I thought the list might be interested in the opinion of the show by Tad Baker , a consultant for the show. It can be found at http://www.common-place.org/vol-04/no-04/talk/ Dot Fisher _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:25:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IPsRM006050 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:25:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IM6YF004260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IM4JT068416; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.on.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IM1JT068357 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CB4339A6 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by tin.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 55E39339AC for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c47b19$8f7ab900$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408051804.i75I2hJU053466@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:25:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I have not used the patterns myself, and so cannot speak to them personally, I do sell them through our website (URL in tagline). I do know of a few engineering problems with the Men's Elizabethan garments pattern. But haven't heard, as yet, of any problems with the Ladies German Puff and Slash. Always glad, BTW, to note any known pattern errors in the descriptions on our website. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:31:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IViRM006092 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IToYF004897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ITkJT073668; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75ITiJT073577 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5391F4264A for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41127C95.5060000@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:29:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even > list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? They are sold in several places online as "Period Patterns". I have used one of the men's armor patterns and made the bias cut leggings/hose. After I got over the fear of seeing all those pattern lines on one sheet of paper and traced off the one I needed then it went pretty well. I don't think their directions are any worse than the commercial patterns, and may be slightly better when it comes to illustrating each step. The benefit is in the historical notes which come with the insutructions. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:41:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IfPRM006131 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:41:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IdnYF005744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IdkJT080885; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IdhJT080853 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.139] (p27.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.139]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i75Icwp11446 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:38:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <003b01c47aff$5b8af8e0$a592c418@mad.wi.charter.com> References: <003b01c47aff$5b8af8e0$a592c418@mad.wi.charter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <444B8E62-E70F-11D8-B032-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] dyeing rayon trim Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:56 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've dyed rayon trim very successfully with Rit. No problem with them holding up either. Sylrog On Aug 5, 2004, at 9:17 AM, wrote: > I am looking to buy some rayon trim and frogs from Cheeptrims in white > and > was wondering how well they would dye as I need them in some other > color > (preferably black or golden yellow, possibly red). Anyone have any > experience with this? I was planning on just using RIT. > > Thanks! > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot > Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence > > My arms are too short to box with God. > ~Johnny Cash > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:46:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IkjRM006156 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:46:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Ij4YF006236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IixJT084669; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IisJT084619 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040805184452.LVXO28868.out004.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00e101c47b1c$4c9a7c30$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408051645.i75Gjobk026123@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:44:53 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:44:52 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very odd indeed. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. > > >From: Susan Farmer > > >Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my > > >guess... > > > > Logical. I was 8 shots in. Rewound and pulled the roll, then tried with a > > different roll - same thing. The film advance lever was moving moving > > freely without actually doing anything. > > > > 5 hours later, I tried again and it was fine. > > > > I'm trying to take pictures of the original library building and with all > > the hassle I've had with the camera this week, I'm almost thinking that it's > > evil spirits :) > > Oh, yes -- there are Evil Camera Spirits. I once had a camera that > would *not* take a picture of my cousin Eugene. > > Jerusha > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 14:53:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75IrORM006175 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IoOYF006701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IoMJT088925; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IoFJT088793 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1285541 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:50:09 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:50:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c5accc8040805102745d9c3ea@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to those of you who suggested I look up Period Patterns rather than Medieval Misc. I went back to the GBACG Great Pattern Review (http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/index.html) and looked them up. "For experienced sewers only" "not for the faint of heart" "pattern needed a lot of reworking" "instructions stink" "if you're willing to work hard you'll get a great looking dress". These were the hints on most of the Period Patterns. Faint praise. And yet a couple of you have responded and said that you've had good luck with the patterns. I guess I'll look elsewhere for a pattern. I know myself; if it takes that much work to get a decent muslin, I'll never complete the dress. If I had the time, I'd certainly do my own research, but these are new place/time combinations for me. Thanks for the help. LynnD On 8/5/04 10:27 AM, "Bice" wrote: > MM doesn't sell them. They are only sold through distributors (I am > one myself) Try looking under Period Patterns. > > eBay > Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs > 4 Harness 6 Pedal > http://snipurl.com/74k1 > On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700, Lynn Downward wrote: >> I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in >> looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's >> German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments >> look about right. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 15:00:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75J00RM006196 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:00:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75IwAYF007324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75Iw1JT094469; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51409.mail.yahoo.com (web51409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.188]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i75IvxJT094379 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040805185754.35439.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.240.36.248] by web51409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:57:54 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:57:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408051805.i75I2hJV053466@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am in love with counted stitch blackwork, I make mine on 32 count linen. I'd like to use counted for trim on garments but I am not sure how to do this. I have worked freeform on garments before, since the need for extreme accuracy isn't there. I am unable to figure it out from portraits. Possibly stiched on the linen and then added to garment like trim? Help Help Help help help, ~Angelique h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. dyeing rayon trim (lotsofteapots@charter.net) 2. Re: dyeing rayon trim (AnnBWass@aol.com) 3. Re: RE: Weird semi- OT question. (Susan Farmer) 4. Re: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right (Brandy At Queen's Corner) 5. Re: Dessing AGD dolls (Helen Pinto) 6. Re: Tudor Stockingette Cap (Helen Pinto) 7. Re: RE: Weird semi- OT question. (Elizabeth Young) 8. 1760s attire (AnnBWass@aol.com) 9. Re: 1760s attire (Diana Habra) 10. Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns (Lynn Downward) 11. Re: Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns (Bice) 12. Re: Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns (Dianne & Greg Stucki) 13. Re: 1760s attire (AnnBWass@aol.com) 14. Doll Sticker Shock RE: [h-cost] Dressing AGD dolls (Ann Catelli) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:17:43 -0500 From: Subject: [h-cost] dyeing rayon trim To: Message-ID: <003b01c47aff$5b8af8e0$a592c418@mad.wi.charter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am looking to buy some rayon trim and frogs from Cheeptrims in white and was wondering how well they would dye as I need them in some other color (preferably black or golden yellow, possibly red). Anyone have any experience with this? I was planning on just using RIT. Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence My arms are too short to box with God. ~Johnny Cash lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:20:28 EDT From: AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dyeing rayon trim To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <5b.555a2c31.2e43aa3c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/5/2004 11:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, lotsofteapots@charter.net writes: I was planning on just using RIT. As a rule, rayon takes dye very well. However, the trims might not hold up really well to the necessary dunking in hot water, and it might be difficult to get the color even if you are doing large quantities. Ann Wass ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <200408051645.i75Gjobk026123@sabre.goldsword.com> > >From: Susan Farmer > >Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my > >guess... > > Logical. I was 8 shots in. Rewound and pulled the roll, then tried with a > different roll - same thing. The film advance lever was moving moving > freely without actually doing anything. > > 5 hours later, I tried again and it was fine. > > I'm trying to take pictures of the original library building and with all > the hassle I've had with the camera this week, I'm almost thinking that it's > evil spirits :) Oh, yes -- there are Evil Camera Spirits. I once had a camera that would *not* take a picture of my cousin Eugene. Jerusha ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:19:11 -0500 From: "Brandy At Queen's Corner" Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20040805161911.ELXQ24594.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do you still have the photos, if so I would like to pay you for copies of them, for references. b > > From: Heather Rose Jones > Date: 2004/08/04 Wed PM 09:46:44 CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] So wrong it's right > > At 5:20 PM -0700 8/4/04, Brandy Deming wrote: > >I loved it, doing a painting series on cells and viruses. Glad to see I'm > >not the only one who loves the look of our building blocks (and the > >occasional demolition crew). > > Me too -- back when I worked in tissue sectioning and staining I was > continually amazed at the accidental artistry of my profession. I > saved a whole collection of photos from some of our research projects > simply because they were so beautiful. I'm particularly fond of the > cerebellum, although you could get some amazing effects with the > right combination of stains on ordinary tonsil. > > Heather > -- > **** > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > **** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:19:17 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dessing AGD dolls To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <000001c47b08$80c7f780$833c9b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Teddy wrote: > I invested in a load of them unused and cheap on Ebay last year Thanks for the idea. I had completely forgotten about eBay. I buy batteries for my obsolete mobile and my out-of-date printer there so I should have thought of it. -Helen/Aidan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:52 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Stockingette Cap To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <000101c47b08$815f5580$833c9b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kate wrote: > Is stockinette stitch what we British call stocking stitch (one row > knit, one row purl in straight knitting)? It must be- the knitting pattern is the same. -Helen/Aidan ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:51:12 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Weird semi- OT question. To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <41126580.9040701@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Marc Carlson wrote: >> From: Susan Farmer >> Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my >> guess... > > > Logical. I was 8 shots in. Rewound and pulled the roll, then tried > with a different roll - same thing. The film advance lever was moving > moving freely without actually doing anything. > > 5 hours later, I tried again and it was fine. > > I'm trying to take pictures of the original library building and with > all the hassle I've had with the camera this week, I'm almost thinking > that it's evil spirits :) > > Marc > Sounds like some of the bits in the film advance lever are wearing out. Most good camera repair shops will do free repair estimates. liz young, with 3 cameras all needing repair! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:56:28 EDT From: AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Greetings-I have had a request to send someone info, preferably websites, on 1760s women's apparel in the American colonies. Any suggestions? Ann Wass ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:13:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <1047.24.4.69.40.1091725992.squirrel@24.4.69.40> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > Greetings-I have had a request to send someone info, preferably websites, > on > 1760s women's apparel in the American colonies. > > Any suggestions? > > Ann Wass My first instinct would be to start with Colonial Williamsburg. They have a website and have done a lot of study of the clothing and crafts/trades of that time frame. They have also published a couple of books on costume. I am not sure if your requester has the time to order books, but they are excellent quality and very scholastic and would be well worth it. One that I have is called "Costume Close-Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern 1750-1790" It is a fabulous book! Good luck! Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700 From: Lynn Downward Subject: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns To: h costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments look about right. I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? I've never used their patterns but I vaguely remember some strong feelings about M.M. but I don't usually work in this era so I let it slip through the sieves in my brain. Has anyone used these patterns? What should I pay attentions to? Fit? Instructions? How do they go together? ANY help is appreciated. I haven't ordered them yet, so I'm not committed to using them yet. LynnD ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:27:14 -0400 From: Bice Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <4c5accc8040805102745d9c3ea@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MM doesn't sell them. They are only sold through distributors (I am one myself) Try looking under Period Patterns. eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700, Lynn Downward wrote: > I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in > looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's > German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments > look about right. -- ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:29:25 -0400 From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <097201c47b11$c13edf00$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "h costume" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns > I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in > looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's > German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments > look about right. > > I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even > list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? > > I've never used their patterns but I vaguely remember some strong feelings > about M.M. but I don't usually work in this era so I let it slip through the > sieves in my brain. Has anyone used these patterns? What should I pay > attentions to? Fit? Instructions? How do they go together? I have not used the German pattern, though I've heard some snarls about the instructions for the sleeve pattern. But I have used the Italian pattern extensively, and like it a lot. I do have a tendency though, unless using a completely new technique, to throw the instructions to the side and work it out on my own. Dianne ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:33:55 EDT From: AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <19f.27e66b8a.2e43c983@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/5/2004 1:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: One that I have is called "Costume Close-Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern 1750-1790" It is a fabulous book! Thanks--I know about the books, but she specifically requested websites. I know several for the early 19th century, my main period of interest. Ann Wass ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Doll Sticker Shock RE: [h-cost] Dressing AGD dolls To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20040805173425.8777.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For amazing dolls prices, on, admittedly amazing dolls, try looking at SuperDolfie, which run US$6-700 for a naked doll that you have to wig (with a provided wig). Some kits start at 51,000 yen & go up fairly steeply. (per the Volks website, manufacturer) They would be better for costuming 'historical' manga, than true historic costumes. The manga have a certain range of accuracy, but tends not to be every-thread-accurate (I say wryly). Ann Catelli __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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We finish. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 16:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75K0lRM006520 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75K06YF013216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75JxKJT038868; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75JxGJT038765 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-155-69.client.comcast.net [24.21.155.69]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i75JxB719931 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:59:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:04:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Althea Turner To: Costume Historical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9E6B931C-E71A-11D8-A02C-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stuttgart Psalter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I am looking for a facsimile of the Stuttgart psalter for a current project. Does anyone know of an on-line source? A search online hasn't turned anything up, other than a few images, which of course aren't the ones I need. :D And I don't have the $3750 to purchase my own copy. :D Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Public Relations Manager Sauron/Voldemort 2004 Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 16:24:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75KOwRM006658 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:24:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75KOGYF015322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75KNcJT056738; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:23:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav8.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.112]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75KNXJT056627 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:18:10 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav8.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:30:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f601c474d2$20a1df10$0400a8c0@compaqub> <200407281955.32448.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (was Silk Denim) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:30:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2004 20:18:10.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[53C8A330:01C47B29] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Have you tried looking on fabrics-store.com? They sell almost nothing but > linen, and they do free (and I mean free, no shipping charge if you're in the > US or Canada) swatching. The linen I've bought there looks slub free to me, Some of what they sent me was slub free, but most had slubs. I buy from them when I want to use linen as a lining, or when I'm making early period garb for camping. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 17:08:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75L8VRM006846 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:08:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75L6UYF021113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75L5qJT090417; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mx03.supplyguys.net (mx03.supplyguys.net [65.115.27.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75L5kJU090346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendyc@vivid.net) Received: (qmail 28042 invoked by uid 89); 5 Aug 2004 20:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (65.115.27.21) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 20:54:23 -0000 Received: from 24.99.160.42 ([24.99.160.42]) by secure.supplyguys.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1091739944.4112a128e61c9@secure.supplyguys.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:05:44 -0400 From: wendyc@vivid.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Doll Sticker Shock RE: [h-cost] Dressing AGD dolls References: <20040805173425.8777.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040805173425.8777.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I still have a kathe kruse doll that my grandmother gave me when i was about 10. http://www.kaethekrusepuppe.de/en/seiten/index.php When I was younger, I was allowed to visit with my doll at her house. I was taught to respect a well made doll and handle her carefully. We bought my daughter an American Girl doll, and she bought herself a second one, she also learned to treat the dolls with respect. We both made wardrobes for our dolls. I think that gifting a child with an well made (non throw away) item and teaching them to respect it, instills life long values of respect for well made items. Wendy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 18:08:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75M83RM007129 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:08:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75M63YF026403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75M5wJT033798; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from GW3.webcontrolcenter.com (gw3.webcontrolcenter.com [216.119.106.223]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75M5rJT033740 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:30:43 -0700 From: "Jeanine Swick" To: Message-ID: <7e5ff1a1f4314255a95e51ce34780cff@woollycat.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 626/ 35mm problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Is it not advancing a new roll of film? If the problem is there, the film may not be loaded correctly and it is not lining up the sprocket holes on the sprocket. The film needs to be tight from the take up spool to the film cassett before you close the back. On very rare occasions film can slip from the sprocket holes mid roll. If you are mid roll or have forgotten what size roll you put in the safest thing to do is to go into a closet at night to remove the roll of film so you don't loose the photos you have taken and can't be sure if the film has been rolled back into the cassette. Before opening the back of your camera make sure you dont see any light leaking in, the smallest amount of light CAN ruin you film. This will have to be done by touch. Check to see if the film was actually loaded correctly, if the end is still there you can take the roll out and then reload the camera (you can go back out into the room at this time). Otherwise take the cassette out of the camera, don't touch the film face or you'll leave finger prints on it. Hold the cassette in one hand, and with the other twist the spool to reroll the film into the cassette. You can then take it to be processed. Jeanine ----------------------------- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:52:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: Susan Farmer > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weird semi- OT question. > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <200408042052.i74KqeJm018147@sabre.goldsword.com> > > > > > Do we have any 35 MM photography experts here? The camera I'm using (a > > Minolta X-700) just stopped advancing the film. Did I some how break it or > > what? > > Ummm, are you sure you're not at the end of the roll? that would be my > guess. The film counter mechanism could be messed up (it is periodically > in one of my cameras) and you've shot more pictures than the counter > thinks you have. Take it out get it developed and see how full the > roll is. If the roll is *not* full, then your "take-up" mechanism > probably needs to be "cleaned and pressed." > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 19:12:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75NCkRM007346 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:12:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NAkYF001725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NAcJT075493; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NAbJT075433 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from auntiegert@att.net) Received: from daveterri (163.los-angeles-14rh16rt-15rh15rt.ca.dial-access.att.net[12.72.54.163]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <200408052310291110046jl9e>; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:10:29 +0000 From: "Terri Casey" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:14:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <200408052206.i75M6TJU034203@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: MM german patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have used the German puff & slass for women pattern from MM, specifically the plastron front saxon style bodice. Let me just say the geometry is all wrong. Unless you have quite a bit of experience in making silk purses out of sow's ears, I wouldn't recommend it. I would recommend starting with a basic sloper fitted for you over a slightly tightened corset and modify for whatever style you are going for. Terri Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 19:27:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75NR5RM007452 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:27:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NQDYF002655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NQAJT083958; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NQ7JT083922 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03878 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:31:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:31:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Source on church vestments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My costume-minded library friend sends me this biblio reference: Pauline Johnstone, High fashion in the church: the place of church vestments in the history of art from the ninth to the nineteenth century (Leeds: Maney, 2002). That should interest somebody... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 19:57:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75NvLRM007538 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NueYF004633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NucJT000986; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NuaJT000913 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 56D141800B00 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:56:31 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 5 Aug 2004 22:06:36 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D2F8B86AE9; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:06:36 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:06:36 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:06:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040805220636.D2F8B86AE9@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I think there are also other things going on with the choice of these outfits. The portrait of "Cameria, daughter of Suleiman the Magnificent, as St Catherine." Resembles Vecellio's "The Favorite of the Sultan." Who in turn plagerized it from Broissard, etc... The CATERINA CORNARO portrait also resembles the images in these early "fashion books" published by Broissard and others. There is a tangible connection between the Italians and the use of "orientalized" clothing as masque dress, with Broissard and later Vecellio being favourite insipirations for the masque costume designers...So, I think that aside from the obvious connotations surrounding the depiction of women as saints, there is also the connection to masque dress and the court status that is implied by it. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathleen lewis" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > > http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress_doco.htm > > > > > > this is from one of my other list. Very interesting. > > > > Very interesting, thanks for posting it. I'm not sure that this really proves that Venitian women wore Turkish dress in their everyday life, though. All of the women appear to be dressed up as Biblical characters, so the Turkish dress may be intended to make them look "exotic" and Eastern. OTOH, if I were doing a masque or Carnival costume, these would *so* be the place to start. > > -katie -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 19:58:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i75NwlRM007542 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NutYF004651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NutJT001162; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i75NucJT000935 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 102AB1800960 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:56:33 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 5 Aug 2004 22:06:40 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A2759CA06C; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:06:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:06:40 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:06:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040805220640.A2759CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I think there are also other things going on with the choice of these outfits. The portrait of "Cameria, daughter of Suleiman the Magnificent, as St Catherine." Resembles Vecellio's "The Favorite of the Sultan." Who in turn plagerized it from Broissard, etc... The CATERINA CORNARO portrait also resembles the images in these early "fashion books" published by Broissard and others. There is a tangible connection between the Italians and the use of "orientalized" clothing as masque dress, with Broissard and later Vecellio being favourite insipirations for the masque costume designers...So, I think that aside from the obvious connotations surrounding the depiction of women as saints, there is also the connection to masque dress and the court status that is implied by it. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathleen lewis" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > > http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress_doco.htm > > > > > > this is from one of my other list. Very interesting. > > > > Very interesting, thanks for posting it. I'm not sure that this really proves that Venitian women wore Turkish dress in their everyday life, though. All of the women appear to be dressed up as Biblical characters, so the Turkish dress may be intended to make them look "exotic" and Eastern. OTOH, if I were doing a masque or Carnival costume, these would *so* be the place to start. > > -katie -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 20:43:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i760hZRM007773 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:43:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i760gkYF008265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i760geRs029480; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i760gdRs029444 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD165B4C0 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.on.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12506-01 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FC595B4CE for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c47b4e$b64ece60$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408052206.i75M6TJU034203@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:45:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm going to wade into the deep end here and be prepared for cries of outrage. :-) Any of the images I've studied of blackwork, to my eye, do not appear to be 'counted' work in the way we think of counted work today. The embroidery is done on fine linen. The stitches are very precise, yes. The cartoons for the designs are definitely pounced and then drawn in ink. I think the confusion most people have is in the mindset that precise stitches must mean some form of mathematical layout of the designs. This simply isn't so. The stitches are worked over a given number of threads in the warp or weft, and hence the precision. So the embroidery is, in fact, freeform, by today's standards. Very precise freeform, yes. But freeform nonetheless. I have made a reproduction of a coif from the Victoria and Albert Museum, which is exact in nature. The coif is worked on handkerchief weight linen, a very fine count (certainly in excess of 30 count linen one would purchase today to do counted work), with black filament serica thread. The embroidery is definitely freeform, but as the original, worked in very precise, tiny stitches and to the untrained eye would appear to be 'counted' work. The repertoire of stitches used in blackwork: cross-stitch and long-arm cross-stitch, and for more elaborate work stem, double-running (Holbein), French knots, bullion stitch, chain, speckling (lots of speckling), fly (in late period blackwork), buttonhole, stem. Some blackwork does have goldwork worked in, some with passing thread, smooth purl (bullion stitch was known as 'poor-man's purl), and of course paillettes. Hhhmm, I may have missed out one or two. Blackwork is all about texture and precision of design. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 20:47:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i760lwRM007785 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:47:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i760lJYF008665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i760lJRs031868; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:47:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i760lGRs031807 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.96.118e24e4 (4196) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <96.118e24e4.2e442f0d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:47:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2004 12:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > Greetings-I have had a request to send someone info, preferably websites, > on > 1760s women's apparel in the American colonies. > There's "What Clothes Reveal" which is about the Williamsburg collection. But it's not a web site either. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761B2RM007890 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7619nYF010117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7619mRs042887; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7619jRs042874 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0323.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.69]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BstEu-0002NH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:09:45 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:10:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <96.118e24e4.2e442f0d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After deleting ALL the discussion of the notorious man-in-kilts-in-the-wind photo, I've just received my sister's admission that her principal motive for her upcoming trip to Scotland is to see men in kilts. I mentioned this photo to her and she says Yes Please Send! So would the owner of said photo please send to me, and I'll send to her? My off-list address is ruthanneb@mindspring.com. Okay, yeah, I plan to peek at it before sending it on. I've earned my gold star for resisting temptation, and so now I think I'll give in. Thanks. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761BnRM007894 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:11:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7619BYF010060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76199Rs042568; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76193Rs042525 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BstEE-0001ZR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:09:02 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:09:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c47b51$f743f550$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001101c47b4e$b64ece60$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i76193Rs042525 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have made a reproduction of a coif from the Victoria and Albert >Museum, which is exact in nature. The coif is worked on handkerchief weight >linen, a very fine count (certainly in excess of 30 count linen one would >purchase today to do counted work), with black filament serica thread. The >embroidery is definitely freeform, but as the original, worked in very >precise, tiny stitches and to the untrained eye would appear to be 'counted' >work. [Sg] Whaaa! I wanna see pictures! :) What is serica? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:19:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761JPRM007932 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:19:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761HMYF010618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761HKRs046336; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761HGRt046268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i761ITsD008315 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:18:30 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:24:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41127C95.5060000@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <41127C95.5060000@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408052124.18788.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 05 August 2004 2:29 pm, Dawn wrote: > Lynn Downward wrote: > > I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they > > don't even > > > list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? > > They are sold in several places online as "Period Patterns". And I believe that's how they are listed on GBACG. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761TERM008080 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761QqYF011186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761QpRs051161; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761QmRt051138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i761NstY031531 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:23:54 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4112DE57.7080905@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:26:47 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ruthanne baumgartner wrote: > her principal motive > for her upcoming trip to Scotland is to see men in kilts. There are cheaper ways to indulge this desire, y'know..... At any rate, the pic in question is probably this one: http://www.arizonarangers.org/images/kilt.jpg -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent "This way to the Egress" T-shirts & whatnot for sale: http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:53:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761raRM008305 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761qrYF012688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761qoRs063703; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761qQRt063522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i761rcYu010070 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:53:40 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:59:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <19f.27e66b8a.2e43c983@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19f.27e66b8a.2e43c983@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408052159.26837.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 05 August 2004 1:33 pm, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/5/2004 1:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dch@inreach.com writes: > One that I have is called "Costume Close-Up: Clothing Construction and > Pattern 1750-1790" It is a fabulous book! > Thanks--I know about the books, but she specifically requested websites. I > know several for the early 19th century, my main period of interest. Oh, wait a minute. If you want something web-accessible, how about Mara Riley's site? http://www.marariley.net/ And this page lists a bunch of other links for 18th c women's clothing in the American colonies; I haven't checked them yet, but they may be helpful: http://www.raveness.com/FandI/womensfandiclothing.html -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:54:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761sXRM008311 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:54:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761rjYF012859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761rjRs064240; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761rfRs064187 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.be.13104199 (18251) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:53:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:53:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2004 8:47:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: There's "What Clothes Reveal" which is about the Williamsburg collection. But it's not a web site either. Yes, I have the book and saw the exhibit twice). But this person wants websites, and I'm not loaning her any of my books. Meanwhile, I found this on Google: tp://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/18thlinks.htm Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 21:56:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i761uoRM008331 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761uJYF012958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761uJRs065424; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i761uHRs065369 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.e6.5598b5b6 (18251) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:56:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2004 9:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: http://www.marariley.net/ Thank you! She also wants 17th c. stuff, so this should do nicely. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 5 22:43:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i762hWRM008559 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i762gqYF015692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i762gjRs089423; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.225]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i762giRs089385 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:42:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joedr@charter.net) Received: from mxip02.cluster1.charter.net (mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.132]) by mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i762gbAO012326 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:42:37 -0400 Received: from 66.169.187.190.ts46v-16.otnh2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com (HELO charter.net) (66.169.187.190) by mxip02.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2004 22:42:38 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.83,108,1089000000"; d="scan'208"; a="180053445:sNHT11939528" Message-ID: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:42:32 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO With regards to a trip to Scotland, sis may be in for a disappointment. People in Scotland dress like we do. A good place to see guys wear their kilts is at Scottish festivals and highland games stateside. Plenty of them there, that's for sure. :o) I wished kilts were a bit more "accepted" than they are. I love mine and wear it as often as I can, but I would like to see other men come to appreciate the freedom a kilt offers. Joe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 00:02:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7642dRM008824 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7641vYF021111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7641rRs029953; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7641nRt029918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i76431nf017458 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:03:01 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:08:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408060008.49526.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 05 August 2004 9:56 pm, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/5/2004 9:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cathy@thyrsus.com writes: > http://www.marariley.net/ > Thank you! She also wants 17th c. stuff, so this should do nicely. Great. Though if she's also interested in 17thc, she should check out Caroline Vincent's page, too: http://www.vincents.demon.co.uk/stays/index.htm -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 00:10:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i764AcRM008843 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:10:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i764A4YF021687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i764A0Rs034333; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7649vRs034242 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F322D4264A for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41130494.9050403@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:09:56 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire References: <1047.24.4.69.40.1091725992.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <1047.24.4.69.40.1091725992.squirrel@24.4.69.40> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >>Greetings-I have had a request to send someone info, preferably websites, >>on >>1760s women's apparel in the American colonies. >> This is a little bit later than 1760 (closer to 1775) but I like the site: http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 00:12:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i764CmRM008857 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:12:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i764CEYF021840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i764CBRs035434; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i764C9Rs035375 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from someone@eskimo.com) Received: from bently (c-24-19-168-204.client.comcast.net[24.19.168.204]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004080604120401600e3uc7e>; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:12:04 +0000 Message-ID: <007b01c47aa3$78967240$2a02a8c0@Belkin> From: "Pam and David" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4112DE57.7080905@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:19:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At any rate, the pic in question is probably this one: > http://www.arizonarangers.org/images/kilt.jpg > Yep, That't the one, guaranteed to raise a smile! Pam Dotson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 01:26:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i765QcRM009040 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:26:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i765PwYF025554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i765PsRs071056; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i765PqRs070921 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12834A54201 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bilbo [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09003-10 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bchamber (unknown [209.139.109.10]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with SMTP id B2F6EA541DF for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01c47b75$3fc0b340$0a6d8bd1@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: "H-Costume" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:21:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1850's Jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I want to copy an 1853 jacket but I'm not sure how to draft the collar. The jacket has a lapel & collar line much like a modern notched collar. Should the collar be a separate piece or would this have been cut more like a modern shawl collar with a shaped edge? The jacket I'm trying to copy is pictured in English Women's Clothing in the 19th Century, page 179, "jacket body of embroidered muslin". Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 02:18:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i766IpRM015166 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:18:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766I4YF027587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766HwRs095581; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:17:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt8.ihug.co.nz (grunt8.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766HsRs095481 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p108-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.108] by grunt8.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bsy2r-000746-00; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:17:39 +1200 Message-ID: <001501c47b7d$11fc4390$6cd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ea01c4767f$8ea4b6a0$cb6afea9@sherry> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Pregnancy in history Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:17:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I came across this last night and thought it might be of interest to you and others: http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=48YP5 Lot# 185: FOLLOWER OF AGNOLO BRONZINO, ELEANORA OF TOLEDO, GRAND DUCHESS OF TUSCANY (1522-62), HALF LENGTH, IN A RICHLY EMBROIDERED AND BEJEWELLED DRESS It's a shortish url, but it should also be easily put back together if it is broken. This was sold just last month and I haven't seen it before. She may not be pregnant, just wearing a loose gown under her robe, but the swayed shape suggests it might be. And she did have two children. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 02:48:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i766mTRM024970 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:48:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766lhYF028938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766leRs011177; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766lZRs011135 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-65-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.94]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i766lVnB031257 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:47:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040805232943.018a2100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:34:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Doll Sticker Shock RE: [h-cost] Dressing AGD dolls In-Reply-To: <1091739944.4112a128e61c9@secure.supplyguys.net> References: <20040805173425.8777.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> <20040805173425.8777.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i766lZRs011135 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >a kathe kruse doll As it happens, Kathe, as in Kaethe Kruse, and Kayta, as in Carolyn Kayta Barrows, are the same name (Käthe). Katie Kliot, the recently deceased owner of Lacis was another Käthe. My name comes from the only other Käthe I know, Käthe Kolwitz, a German artist and printmaker active from the 19-teens to 1945, when she died in Berlin near the end of WWII. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 02:48:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i766mnRM025087 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766mAYF028965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766mARs011432; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:48:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i766ldRs011173 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-65-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.94]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i766lVnD031257 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:47:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040805233558.01698990@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:49:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted In-Reply-To: <001101c47b4e$b64ece60$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> References: <200408052206.i75M6TJU034203@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I think the confusion most people have is in the mindset that precise >stitches must mean some form of mathematical layout of the designs. This >simply isn't so. The stitches are worked over a given number of threads in >the warp or weft, and hence the precision. So the embroidery is, in fact, >freeform, by today's standards. Very precise freeform, yes. But freeform >nonetheless. If you're counting the threads to make each stitch a specific number of threads long, isn't that counted thread and not freeform? Or am I mis-reading what you said? I otherwise agree with you, that there's plenty of later blackwork which is visibly freeform and not counted thread. I think the name of the book I'm thinking of is Fashion In Detail, with close-ups of surviving pieces from the V&A. In this book you can see blackwork in enough detail to see that it wasn't accomplished by counting the threads of the background fabric, which are themselves visible in the images. But why would anyone count threads to do speckling or curved stem stitch outlines? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 03:32:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i767WqRM005462 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:32:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i767WEYF000810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i767WCRs032594; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i767WARs032557 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:32:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040806073205.50570.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:32:05 BST Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:32:05 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Joe Robertson wrote: > With regards to a trip to Scotland, sis may be in for a disappointment. > People in Scotland dress like we do. A good place to see guys wear their > kilts is at Scottish festivals and highland games stateside. Plenty of > them there, that's for sure. :o) > I wished kilts were a bit more "accepted" than they are. I love mine > and wear it as often as I can, but I would like to see other men come to > appreciate the freedom a kilt offers. > Joe Very true. My fairly new (for those who remember me from many yars on h-cost)boyfriend is Scottish, very Scottish indeed, but he's never worn a kilt in his life. Shame, really! OK so he's been in the Forces and out of Scotland for 19 years, but one would assume any true Scots would at least own a kilt! Usually kilts here in Britain are only worn at weddings and, as suggested, at festivals and games. Everyday attire it is not, not even in Scotland. Nicole ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 04:09:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7689lRM020774 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76899YF002151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76896Rs049325; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76893Rs048957 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i76898P15393.; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:09:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:08:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:08:11 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "expert" opinion of Colonial House Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Dot. We've not seen the series yet in the UK, but an interesting article. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> DrJksnSgy@ttlc.net 05/08/2004 19:20:52 >>> There being a lot of discussion of Colonial House a while back. I thought the list might be interested in the opinion of the show by Tad Baker , a consultant for the show. It can be found at http://www.common-place.org/vol-04/no-04/talk/ Dot Fisher _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 04:30:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i768UCRM025184 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:30:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768TaYF002787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768TYRs058373; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:29:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768TVRs058126 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i768TeP17591.; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:29:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:28:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:28:46 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was in Orkney last year I was amused to see an elderly couple in his-and-hers kilts walking in a street in Kirkwall. They were definitely the exception, though, since the Northern Isles are as much Scandinavian as Scottish in culture, and have never been Gaelic-speaking. I've never been to the Highlands, so can't speak for the frequency of kilt-wearing there. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 04:39:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i768dFRM027506 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:39:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768cZYF003279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768cYRs062513; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768cWRs062501 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:37:38 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Doll Sticker Shock (WAS: Dressing AGD dolls) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38ED@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Doll Sticker Shock (WAS: Dressing AGD dolls) Thread-Index: AcR7FyqAFhwcpm+SQPSn/1J/Uz09EwAeRP0A content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > For amazing dolls prices, on, admittedly amazing > dolls, try looking at SuperDolfie, which run US$6-700 > for a naked doll that you have to wig (with a provided wig). > Some kits start at 51,000 yen & go up fairly steeply. > (per the Volks website, manufacturer) I Love the Super Dolfie dolls and the other ones of that sort (there are severl types) but I can't even contemplate spending that much on a doll. I did once blow half my student-grant on a doll with the result that I starved at the end of term.... but you do silly things when you're young. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 04:56:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i768udRM004810 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768txYF004077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768twRs070282; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:55:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i768tqRs070161 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.223]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i768tE7F009954 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:55:38 +1000 Message-ID: <002601c47b93$14853660$df93d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <029a01c47af2$58329200$cb6afea9@sherry> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:15:24 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats > Wow, thanks for this site, I had not ever stumbled across it before. The > Titian painting of the lady in green has been on my to-do list for a while > now, I have the coat, I just need to do the pearl/beadwork on it. :-) I'm not surprised you haven't stumbled across it before the webiste as a whole has only been there about a year, and the page on Turkish coats has only been there a couple of weeks. (she's been updating a lot of her pages recently) Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 05:02:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7692nRM006902 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:02:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76925YF004399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76922Rs073030; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7691uRs072987 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:00:27 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38F0@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats Thread-Index: AcR7a7T6Xw10tRN/Q8uAGge7kHw4lQAJ7bRg content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I think there are also other things going on with the choice > of these outfits. The portrait of "Cameria, daughter of > Suleiman the Magnificent, as St Catherine." Resembles > Vecellio's "The Favorite of the Sultan." Who in turn > plagerized it from Broissard, etc... The CATERINA CORNARO > portrait also resembles the images in these early "fashion > books" published by Broissard and others. There is a > tangible connection between the Italians and the use of > "orientalized" clothing as masque dress, with Broissard and > later Vecellio being favourite insipirations for the masque > costume designers...So, I think that aside from the obvious > connotations surrounding the depiction of women as saints, > there is also the connection to masque dress and the court > status that is implied by it. So you think they *were* worn, but as Masque dress and hence their appearance in these pictures? or that their appearance in these pictures is intended to invoke the idea of Masque dress and hense represent these women as being of the Court-circle set? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 05:13:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i769DHRM008714 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i769CcYF005094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i769CZRs077753; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from copper.wightman.on.ca (copper.wightman.ca [216.249.0.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i769CVRs077717 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by copper.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5593F900 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by copper.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id DDD533F8EA for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101c47b95$fae260e0$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408060410.i764AERt034491@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:15:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: serica thread (was Blackwork: ....) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now, Sararace, don't whine. :-) One of these days I'll get around to photographing the coif and getting it up on our website. Problem is this cheapo digital I have really does a lousy job on anything three dimensional. Very shallow depth of field on the thing. Guess I got what I paid for. But maybe next time my sweetie mum-in-law is over (she IS a sweetie, honest!) I'll see if I can't snaffoo her superwhizbang digital and take some images. Course, then that means I'll have to get her to save the images to CD for me, and that's sometimes interesting because the stuff she saves can never be read by any other computer but hers! And she doesn't, won't, absolutely refuses to do internet. Sigh. But I digress .... Serica thread: Is a 3-ply twisted filament silk, which can be unplied and used as flat silk which is exactly the same as the silk threads used historically. It has a fabulous sheen, extremely strong. Love the stuff. Simply love it. I'm a complete junkie now. Sigh. After I finish the Earth/Wind/Fire/Water series of embroideries I designed, and do the second cloak of state (SCA stuff - goldwork on red silk, inspired by Sutton Hoo designs and the Roger III cloak of state - and yeah, I'm GIVING it away, duh me), I would like to start our bedroom draperies and bed hangings. I dream of sand coloured raw silk embroidered in Jacobean inspired designs in polychrome (greens and rusts) silk serica and gold metallic (not bullion, I need to dry clean these babies periodically). 38 yards of silk I need. And a brain it would appear. ;-) But I always did dream in technicolour with a big brush and big canvas. :-D Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 07:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76BwuRM009354 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76Bw9YF013814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76BvxRs056071; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76BvuRs056029 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m74.in-tch.com [216.166.191.74]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i76BvcM22413 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41137337.6020207@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:01:59 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns References: <200408051804.i75I2hJU053466@net.indra.com> <000901c47b19$8f7ab900$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <000901c47b19$8f7ab900$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've never tried the German one, but I did once (years ago) use the ItalianRen one (for women). The one caveat I'd have for folks, is that if you're making one of the larger sizes, watch the length of the skirt! They get a LOT longer as they get larger, and my skirt was almost 18" too long! Which is a *huge* waste of fabric when you're using something expensive, like I was. --sue Five Rivers wrote: > While I have not used the patterns myself, and so cannot speak to them > personally, I do sell them through our website (URL in tagline). I do know > of a few engineering problems with the Men's Elizabethan garments pattern. > But haven't heard, as yet, of any problems with the Ladies German Puff and > Slash. > > Always glad, BTW, to note any known pattern errors in the descriptions > on our website. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 09:13:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76DDIRM009776 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:13:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DCYYF017835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DCVRs093861; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53001.mail.yahoo.com (web53001.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.191]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i76DCTRs093792 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aureliarufinia@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040806131222.48176.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [18.152.7.245] by web53001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:12:22 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Aurelia Rufinia To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408060410.i764AERu034491@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (It's the 70s, it's still history!) (This is decidedly NOT my area of anything.) So the other night a bunch of friends and I were watching the 1972 movie "Le Grand Blond avec une Chaussure Noire" (The Tall Blond Man With One Black Shoe) and in this movie there is this dress. >From the front, it's high necked, long sleeved, A-line-ish to the floor... with no back. (It looks like an oval cutout, from the neck to well below the waistline.) Now, of course, there's those who wish to make this dress. Does anyone have any ideas for patterns to modify, or pitfalls to avoid? I was thinking that a silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. THoughts? Aurelia __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 09:47:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76DlBRM009925 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:47:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DkWYF020225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DkURs013862; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DkRRs013772 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1cc.27c60d8a (4402) for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1cc.27c60d8a.2e44e5a5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:46:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/6/2004 9:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, aureliarufinia@yahoo.com writes: > I was thinking that a > silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. > A silk jersey DOUBLE knit, of course..... :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 09:53:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76DrdRM009955 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:53:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DqvYF020815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DqtRs018009; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DqrRs017985 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bt59O-0006vp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:52:50 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c47bbc$abd779f0$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <4112DE57.7080905@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had seen this many moons ago, but not noticed something a little strange about it. Did you notice that the wind is blowing each kilt in a different direction and that the guy on the rights kilt seems disturbed not at all? Is that English correct? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:02:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76E2kRM010004 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:02:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76E0eYF021337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76E0bRs022616; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76E0YRs022518 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:00:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:00:16 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the confusion most people have is in the mindset that precise stitches must mean some form of mathematical layout of the designs. This simply isn't so. The stitches are worked over a given number of threads in the warp or weft, and hence the precision. So the embroidery is, in fact, freeform, by today's standards. Very precise freeform, yes. But freeform nonetheless. Regards Lorina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preach on sister! Another way of saying 'what she said' :). It is great that blackwork has had such a comeback the last few years as counted work but I agree with Lorina, from my studies, in period, it was more free form than counted. I have been doing blackwork on a serious of shirts for my husband and, like most folks probably have, first approached it as a formal counted thread work (using waste canvas). Later I tried some of the flora & fauna patterns from the pattern books in stem stitch. By trial and error I learned it needed to be a small, tight stitch. I found I was subconciously 'counting' my threads but just because picking up 2-3 threads as a time was how I sized by stitches. It did end up looking pretty good if I do say so myself. I am now venturing into doing fill work free-handed and it is not as daunting as I first feared. All that being said, Angelique; if you are more comfortable with the counted thread method try using waste canvas directly on the part of the costume you want the blackwork to be on. Stem/outline stitch is then good to define your edges. Have fun! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76E7KRM010036 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:07:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76E3fZ1021569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DfiRs011000; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76DffRs010927 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.104.4d3192a1 (4402) for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:41:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <104.4d3192a1.2e44e48e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:41:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850's Jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/6/2004 1:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > The jacket I'm trying to copy is > pictured in English Women's Clothing in the 19th Century, page 179, "jacket > body of embroidered muslin". > I haven't seen the picture but I'd say the most likely thing is a separate collar....just because a regular shawl collar is very popular on both men's waistcoats and some women's things, but *not* on men's frock coats and jackets. If you were doing a woman's waistcoat it most definitely could have a shawl collar, but notched? I've never seen a notched shawl collar until the 20th century. Of course this doesn't mean they didn't do them. But a separate collar just seems more in keeping with the aesthetics of the time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:11:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76EBTRM010055 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EAoYF022310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EAiRs029087; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i76EAYRt028900 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2004080610102426005 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:10:24 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i76EAL8Q023388 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ff01c47bbf$23f7aa20$55a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040806131222.48176.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:10:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO About that time ('72-'73) when I was in graduate school, Geoffrey Holder designed a white dress for his wife Carmen DeLavalad (sp?), a dancer/actress with gorgeous cafe au lait skin. The image has stayed with me since. Straight across the front (think boat cut), long sleeves, the back wasn't there--down to about 4" below the waist. The skirt was that wonderful circle drape that dancers wear. I do think that she used a bit of latex or something to keep it on because the line in back was deep V -- from the shoulders down. There was nothing across the back to hold it on. I think the shoulder line of the dress came down in the back to about 1-2". Think of the shoulder seam of regency. A line from 1 or 2" down the back of the armseye , up over the shoulder, across the collarbone, and the over the other shoulder. I don't know if there was a side back piece to the bodice or if the front side extended up to meet, but there had to be something (if only bias or twill tape) for the back of the sleeve. I'm guessing it was draped on her for the fit (like Robin does her gothic fitted dress), not anything you can easily pattern, and I'm guessing he worked on the bias from the drape of it. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aurelia Rufinia" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress > (It's the 70s, it's still history!) > > (This is decidedly NOT my area of anything.) > > So the other night a bunch of friends and I were > watching the 1972 movie "Le Grand Blond avec une > Chaussure Noire" (The Tall Blond Man With One Black > Shoe) and in this movie there is this dress. > > >From the front, it's high necked, long sleeved, > A-line-ish to the floor... with no back. (It looks > like an oval cutout, from the neck to well below the > waistline.) > > Now, of course, there's those who wish to make this > dress. Does anyone have any ideas for patterns to > modify, or pitfalls to avoid? I was thinking that a > silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. > THoughts? > > Aurelia > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:13:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76EDkRM010073 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:13:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76ED7YF022523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76ED4Rs030666; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76ED0Rs030615 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so67648rnk for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.63 with SMTP id h63mr341089rng; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040806071273312125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:12:58 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress In-Reply-To: <1cc.27c60d8a.2e44e5a5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1cc.27c60d8a.2e44e5a5@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Without a doubt. As for patterns contact me offlist. I have (pardon this word please) simply assloads of 1970's era patterns including some for gowns in this range. It might take me some hunting but I'll find it. I even have a circa 70's dress very wild that I'm throwing onto ebay in the next few weeks. Floor length with t-bar straps with a black and white stripe design all on the bias. I host a 70's party every year and got this one in the hopes that the stretch to it would be enough but it's not :( Bice (born in '72) -- eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:46:13 EDT, albertcat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/2004 9:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > aureliarufinia@yahoo.com writes: > > > I was thinking that a > > silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. > > > > A silk jersey DOUBLE knit, of course..... :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:14:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76EE3RM010081 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EDRYF022567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EDPRs030901; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76ED6Rs030629 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.bf.4324e046 (4196) for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:12:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760s attire To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/6/2004 9:13:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, corbiegirl@yahoo.com writes: have a bunch of links, and a few articles, at www.marariley.net Thanks. Someone else on the list already recommended it, and I've passed it on. Ann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:19:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76EJ3RM010120 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:19:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EIEYF022980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EICRs034211; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:18:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EI3Rs034089 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bt5Xh-0005vJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:17:57 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: serica thread (was Blackwork: ....) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:17:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c47bc0$2daa2880$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <002101c47b95$fae260e0$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i76EI3Rs034089 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO [Sg] '.....I would like to start our bedroom >draperies and bed hangings. I dream of sand coloured raw silk embroidered in >Jacobean inspired designs in polychrome (greens and rusts) silk serica and >gold metallic (not bullion, I need to dry clean these babies periodically). >38 yards of silk I need. And a brain it would appear. ;-) But I always did >dream in technicolour with a big brush and big canvas. :-D [Sg] Okay, no more whining. One of my summer projects was our master bedroom. I have actually gotten the main drapery done and the bed spread. Now I am just doing throw pillows, and the valence. (Then painting and acessories). I am not as ambitious as you however because I am not doing any embroidery. But! Your descripition of your dream fabrics reminds me of a yard I bought for throw pillows. (It was all I was willing to spend at 40$ a yard). It is sand colored tafeta with slatey blue, green and gold flowers. Keep us up to date on what you do! I mean it is a bed costume right?? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:46:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76EkORM010246 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:46:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EiKYF025080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EiCRs052201; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76Ei8Rs052089 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080614440201400sev7de>; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:44:03 +0000 Message-ID: <0d8d01c47bc3$bd672830$6500a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1cc.27c60d8a.2e44e5a5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:43:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Qiana if you can still find it. ;) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress : In a message dated 8/6/2004 9:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, : aureliarufinia@yahoo.com writes: : : > I was thinking that a : > silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. : > : : A silk jersey DOUBLE knit, of course..... :-P : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 10:51:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76EpARM010263 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:51:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EoXYF025618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EoVRs056807; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76EoRRs056745 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080614502101400scil2e>; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:50:21 +0000 Received: from [24.16.242.58] by 204.127.197.115; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:50:17 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:50:17 +0000 Message-Id: <080620041450.20352.41139AA9000A454C00004F802200735834010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm...My first suggestion would be, that if the oval *will* be a cut out, to make sure the cut is considerably smaller than the effect wanted (at the bottom part). The weight of the dress should 'drag' the oval to the correct 'openness' (if that's a word ;-) ). Otherwise the wearer might be exposing a bit more bum than intended... -- I refuse to read minds....It's rude. Slan go foill Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh -------------- Original message -------------- > (It's the 70s, it's still history!) > > (This is decidedly NOT my area of anything.) > > So the other night a bunch of friends and I were > watching the 1972 movie "Le Grand Blond avec une > Chaussure Noire" (The Tall Blond Man With One Black > Shoe) and in this movie there is this dress. > > >From the front, it's high necked, long sleeved, > A-line-ish to the floor... with no back. (It looks > like an oval cutout, from the neck to well below the > waistline.) > > Now, of course, there's those who wish to make this > dress. Does anyone have any ideas for patterns to > modify, or pitfalls to avoid? I was thinking that a > silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. > THoughts? > > Aurelia > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 11:06:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76F6tRM010310 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:06:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76F6BYF026915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76F5xRs068768; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76F5wRs068751 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0094.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.94]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bt6I9-0004dp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:05:58 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:06:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c47bbc$abd779f0$6a01a8c0@SG01> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 8/6/04 9:52 AM, Saragrace T. Knauf at saragrace@earthlink.net wrote: > I had seen this many moons ago Oh, shame on you, Saragrace, such a pun! Did you notice that the wind is blowing each kilt in a different > direction and that the guy on the rights kilt seems disturbed not at all? Now that you mention it.... Either a squally day or a staged shot. Still a sweet little bum.... Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer p.s. Thanks to everybody who sent the photo and/or comments. ALL have been forwarded to my sister, who will enjoy them I'm sure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 11:16:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76FGfRM010364 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:16:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76FFtYF027832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76FFqRs076082; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76FFdRt075941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76FChtY002187 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:12:43 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4113A098.7070309@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:15:36 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo?/celery References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ruthanne baumgartner wrote: > Did you notice that the wind is blowing each kilt in a different > >>direction and that the guy on the rights kilt seems disturbed not at all? > > Now that you mention it.... Either a squally day or a staged shot. Still a > sweet little bum.... You can follow the URL tree up to the hosting website; it's the Arizona Rangers. They have it indexed on their photo page, and they don't indicate that it's staged, but then again, they might not. However, the men are around a large monument and wind around such a thing can be chaotic. I've seen better bums. I think the atraction here is that it probably wasn't intentional. On a related note, re: historical costuming, this article is interesting, and somewhat about the female side of this sort of thing in the 1950s: http://www.lileks.com/institute/frahm/index.html -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent "This way to the Egress" T-shirts & medieval images for sale: http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 11:41:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76Ff8RM010474 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:41:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76FdqYF000192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76FdjRs094587; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76FdWRs094345 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.21] (p05.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.21]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i76Fcjp19199 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:38:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <0d8d01c47bc3$bd672830$6500a8c0@ches> References: <1cc.27c60d8a.2e44e5a5@aol.com> <0d8d01c47bc3$bd672830$6500a8c0@ches> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <43DCBFFE-E7BF-11D8-9042-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:42:47 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I dont think Qiana has been made for at least 20 years, has it? On Aug 6, 2004, at 8:43 AM, Chiara wrote: > Qiana if you can still find it. ;) > > Chiara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress > > > : In a message dated 8/6/2004 9:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > : aureliarufinia@yahoo.com writes: > : > : > I was thinking that a > : > silk jersey knit would be the ideal fabric for this. > : > > : > : A silk jersey DOUBLE knit, of course..... :-P > : _______________________________________________ > : h-costume mailing list > : h-costume@mail.indra.com > : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 12:07:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76G7JRM010648 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:07:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76G5QYF002812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76G5KRs014616; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76G5IRs014517 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-155-69.client.comcast.net [24.21.155.69]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i76G5BF05612 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:05:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:10:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 70s Backless dress Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <43DCBFFE-E7BF-11D8-9042-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Message-Id: <188E6A3E-E7C3-11D8-979A-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, You can sometimes find it on ebay. Althea On Friday, August 6, 2004, at 08:42 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I dont think Qiana has been made for at least 20 years, has it? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 12:15:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76GFXRM010689 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:15:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76GEiYF003653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:14:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76GEgRs021624; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.on.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76GEXRs021539 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD423399A for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by tin.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id AEBA333992 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501c47bd0$ee586140$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408061346.i76DkjRt013990@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:17:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If you're counting the threads to make each stitch a specific number of > threads long, isn't that counted thread and not freeform? Or am I > mis-reading what you said? Oh, it's okay, Carolyn; I'm not being very clear. :-) Basically we're in agreement. But let's see if I can be a little clearer. 'Counted' work, to my knowledge, among the 'experts' is considered embroidery which does not rely upon a cartoon marked upon the ground; it is literally counted out from a master design and often starts from the centre and works out, although not always. Think of those counted cross-stitch kits one can purchase that supply you with blank canvas. Whereas historical blackwork relies upon a cartoon and precise stitches. Um, that clearer than mud now? :-) I think it's important to understand that difference between what we consider counted work today and what was counted work historically. Maybe if we come to that understanding we can see more embroiderers refraining from using Aida cloth and 'counted' canvas linen for their blackwork embroideries and working instead on good quality linen. Just a pet peeve of mine. :-) Regards Lorina (who needs to take a break from the whitework Wind embroidery and go fetch mail!) Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 12:17:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76GHKRM010706 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76GGGYF003793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76GGDRs022856; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76GG6Rs022741 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i76GoA5c036764 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i76GoAbp036763 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408061650.i76GoAbp036763@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A couple of different folks are involved being quoted here -- so take that attribution with a grain of salt ..... > I think the confusion most people have is in the mindset that > precise > stitches must mean some form of mathematical layout of the designs. > This > simply isn't so. The stitches are worked over a given number of threads > in > the warp or weft, and hence the precision. So the embroidery is, in > fact, > freeform, by today's standards. Very precise freeform, yes. But > freeform > nonetheless. I don't understand why this is freeform at all. If it's worked over a specific number of threads that's counted work by any definition that I know of. How do you define "counted" work if it's not worked over specific numbers of threads? And how do you define "freeform?" *snip* > > All that being said, Angelique; if you are more comfortable with the > counted > thread method try using waste canvas directly on the part of the > costume > you want the blackwork to be on. Stem/outline stitch is then good to > define > your edges. >From this it appears that you are saying that it's not counted unless you're using waste canvas. I would disagree with that. If you're counting threads, I think it qualifies as counted thread work. Jerusha/ Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 13:06:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76H6lRM011067 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:06:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76H5UYF011342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76H5QRs064004; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76H5MRs063809 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.13]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:04:28 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:05:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c47bd7$92e0fd20$0db00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2004 17:04:28.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F286580:01C47BD7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm thinking turbulence- the wind breaks up into many different vectors as it encounters an obstacle- i.e. that large base holding the flagpoles. Betsy- Physics student at large... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of ruthanne baumgartner Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? on 8/6/04 9:52 AM, Saragrace T. Knauf at saragrace@earthlink.net wrote: > I had seen this many moons ago Oh, shame on you, Saragrace, such a pun! Did you notice that the wind is blowing each kilt in a different > direction and that the guy on the rights kilt seems disturbed not at all? Now that you mention it.... Either a squally day or a staged shot. Still a sweet little bum.... Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer p.s. Thanks to everybody who sent the photo and/or comments. ALL have been forwarded to my sister, who will enjoy them I'm sure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 14:05:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76I53RM015623 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76I4KYF016796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76I4FRs010879; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76I49Rs010808 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-65-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.94]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i76I43k0017728 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:04:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040806105156.018a72a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:08:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted In-Reply-To: <001501c47bd0$ee586140$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> References: <200408061346.i76DkjRt013990@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >'Counted' work, to my >knowledge, among the 'experts' is considered embroidery which does not rely >upon a cartoon marked upon the ground; Granted, the non-geometric blackwork which has guide drawings underneath the stitching (some of which drawings are visible in surviving examples) isn't counted thread work. My two blackwork books point these guide drawings out in their own illustrations, but they still call the pieces blackwork because they're (usually) black stitching on 'white' ground fabric. But what about the other period examples where it looks like they did count the threads to get the stitching even for geometric pattern fillings? The curved outlines aren't counted thread, of course, being stem or plaited braid stitch. But IIRC those fillings really look like counted thread in the close-up examples I have seen illustrated in books. What's your take on that? Do you know if any geometrically patterned blackwork shirts have survived from this period? Does anyone know if there will be any in the posthumous Janet Arnold book? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 14:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76ICeRM015654 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IAZYF017306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IAWRs015882; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:10:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IAJRs015665 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f70.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.112]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FF4E26280E for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:10:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003001c47be0$a4bb3700$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C38F0@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:10:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Today i had a visit of Alexia from h-costume. We baught fabric for the dress i am going to make for her this fall and winter with chenille embroidery. We went to Frederiksborg where i wanted to share all the portraits with her. In the kings Audience Hall there were paintings in the ceiling with the 4 world parts, and one of them was a turkish lady wearing turkish dress. It was painted in 1680. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats > > > I think there are also other things going on with the choice > > of these outfits. The portrait of "Cameria, daughter of > > Suleiman the Magnificent, as St Catherine." Resembles > > Vecellio's "The Favorite of the Sultan." Who in turn > > plagerized it from Broissard, etc... The CATERINA CORNARO > > portrait also resembles the images in these early "fashion > > books" published by Broissard and others. There is a > > tangible connection between the Italians and the use of > > "orientalized" clothing as masque dress, with Broissard and > > later Vecellio being favourite insipirations for the masque > > costume designers...So, I think that aside from the obvious > > connotations surrounding the depiction of women as saints, > > there is also the connection to masque dress and the court > > status that is implied by it. > > So you think they *were* worn, but as Masque dress and hence their > appearance in these pictures? or that their appearance in these > pictures is intended to invoke the idea of Masque dress and hense > represent these women as being of the Court-circle set? > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 14:16:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76IGGRM015667 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:16:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IEKYF017532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IEKRs018746; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IEDRs018607 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:14:05 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:13:54 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From this it appears that you are saying that it's not counted unless you're using waste canvas. I would disagree with that. If you're counting threads, I think it qualifies as counted thread work. Jerusha/ Susan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I think I see the confusion :). To me, counted thread is as much the fabric, as the type of method I use to stitch. Hence I think of using waste canvas if I want to do 'counted thread' on linen used for costuming. The linen produced for embroiderers would be a type of fabric I would use for counted thread as it is usually evenweave and manufactored to a specific thread count, just for stitchers. BUT in doing stem stitch blackwork on linen I found myself keeping an eye on the number of threads I took up with my needle. Not so much to count them as to help keep the stitches even, since I was working pretty small. The fillwork I am trying are all patterns that can be charted on graph paper but I am trying to just eyeball them, not count threads, to make them even. I do find I tend to follow along the length of one thread to try and keep my line straight. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 14:37:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76IbpRM015754 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IXkZD019258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IMTRs024842; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76IMORs024794 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C880D2BF97 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:22:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p398.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.217.144]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D91A2C5EC for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:22:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001501c47bd0$ee586140$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Depending on what style of blackwork you are referring too. I have heard Blackwork associated more with the running stitch then counted or freeform. Running stitch can be counted thread or random. Blackwork got its name from the use of black embroidery floss (though you will find the technique done in other colours). Blackwork has been called Holbein stitch because of Holbein's portraits and is usually associated with smocking and thread counting on shirts, shifts, and chemises. It is more common than Freeform during the late 1400 and early 1500s. The Freeform styles are the embroideries that have a design with geometric designs within and is strongly (but not soley) associated with English 1500 -1600s embroidery. The design is outlined in stem, split or running stitch. Sometimes the running stitch outline is counted thread form. My few pence worth, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 15:34:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76JYhRM016109 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:34:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76JWmYF024860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76JWjRs080141; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76JWdRs080077 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005AE5B49C for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.on.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09102-02 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F4F05B4AB for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003101c47bec$9897ccc0$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408061705.i76H5lRt064267@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:31:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: serica thread (was Blackwork: ....) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, Saragrace, the fabric sounds delicious. (I'm not whining, honest!) :-) > Keep us up to date on what you do! I mean it is a bed costume right?? Giggle. It is, I guess. :-) And I will keep you posted. You just have to remember I work very s-l-o-w-l-y. It's hard for me to get long chunks of time to embroider, paint, write, sew, whatever. The business keeps me hopping (both the internet and gallery), and with arthritis it's difficult to stay still in one place for too long a period. And then there's to consider there are some MAJOR renovations that have to be done to our grand old (130) stone house before I can set to prettification and room costuming. :-) So, for now, it's the Wind embroidery of the four that occupies me. It's cracking on well, but slow by comparison to lots of other projects people do. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 15:39:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76JdxRM016150 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:39:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76JdLYF025485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76JdGRs085290; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76JdCRs085229 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28005B4B3 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.on.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09761-06 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 433C45B4AB for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003701c47bed$836338c0$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408061705.i76H5lRt064267@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:41:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > How do you define "counted" work if it's not worked over > specific numbers of threads? And how do you define "freeform?" Purely from a technical POV, counted refers to work that usually is geometric in form and has no cartoon (drawing) on the fabric. Freeform, technically, refers to work that has a cartoon which is followed. I'm being pedantic here. :-) Waste canvas doesn't come into the discussion, actually. :-) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 16:44:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76KiHRM016511 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:44:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KhWYF001517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KhSRs035035; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KhKRs034864 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-969.hyena.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.115.201] helo=soton.ac.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtBYX-00085A-9W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:43:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:48:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wish men in general would wear more kilts/skirts/skirtlike garments. It's dead sexy. Sigh. The Men in Skirts exhibition at the V&A was dem' fine. (guess who watched Highlander last night?) hear hear for active kilt wearers, Joe. On Friday, August 6, 2004, at 03:42 am, Joe Robertson wrote: > With regards to a trip to Scotland, sis may be in for a disappointment. > People in Scotland dress like we do. A good place to see guys wear > their > kilts is at Scottish festivals and highland games stateside. Plenty of > them there, that's for sure. :o) > I wished kilts were a bit more "accepted" than they are. I love mine > and wear it as often as I can, but I would like to see other men come > to > appreciate the freedom a kilt offers. > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 16:49:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76KnRRM016543 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:49:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KmnYF002031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KmlRs039401; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:48:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KmSRs039169 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i76LMa5c039093 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i76LMaYj039092 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408062122.i76LMaYj039092@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork: freeform versus counted In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >From this it appears that you are saying that it's not counted unless > you're using waste canvas. I would disagree with that. If you're > counting threads, I think it qualifies as counted thread work. > > Jerusha/ Susan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Ok, I think I see the confusion :). To me, counted thread is as much > the fabric, as the type of method I use to stitch. Hence I think of > using waste canvas if I want to do 'counted thread' on linen used for > costuming. The linen produced for embroiderers would be a type of > fabric > I would use for counted thread as it is usually evenweave and > manufactored > to a specific thread count, just for stitchers. I understand now. I think that Counted Thread is any design where you count threads -- generally these are regular or geometric or some sort of cross- or herringbone-type stitch. To me, the fabric is immaterial -- it's the technique that is the defining factor. $0.02 Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 16:57:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76KvKRM016623 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:57:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KuVYF002778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KuTRs046145; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76KuPRs046038 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from Penelope (unknown[67.176.125.129](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080620561901400sah0fe>; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:56:19 +0000 From: "Melanie" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] That kilt photo?/celery Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:56:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <4113A098.7070309@thibault.org> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:16 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo?/celery > > > ruthanne baumgartner wrote: > > Did you notice that the wind is blowing each kilt in a different > > > >>direction and that the guy on the rights kilt seems disturbed > not at all? > > > > Now that you mention it.... Either a squally day or a staged > shot. Still a > > sweet little bum.... > > You can follow the URL tree up to the hosting website; it's the Arizona > Rangers. They have it indexed on their photo page, and they don't > indicate that it's staged, but then again, they might not. It's not staged. It really happened, and the photograph was taken in Hong Kong. It appeared in the Hong Kong daily just after the handover; I happened to be there on business. The changing of the flags was taking place (IIRC) in a civic park in Central - it's on the coast and breezy. I've got the copy of the paper around here somewhere... If it happened in 1999, that's historical, isn't it? Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 17:13:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76LD7RM016954 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:13:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76LB6YF004217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76LB3Rs058448; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav9.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76LAuRs058311 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:10:50 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav9.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:10:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c479c3$661b5f30$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (was Silk Denim) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:10:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2004 21:10:50.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9A32F40:01C47BF9] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What does Swoosh mean? The sound or the physical movement? The sound :-) I don't like silk that sounds SWOOSH when I move because it always reminds me of the sound my synthetic winter garments make. Although I guess once sewn into an Elizabethan, it wouldn't make nearly as much noise! > Do you want > something that is plain or patterned... Plain. I'm looking for black right now, and possibly light gray. > I think I might know the place! If you do, let me know :-) I'd be happy to spend some money on something that's worth it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 17:44:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76LigRM017414 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:44:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76Li5YF007095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76Li1Rs085995; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76LhtRs085871 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BtCV3-000Nl4-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:42:24 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh the summertime is coming, and the tourists are a-blooming... Almost anyone in Edinburgh wearing tartan is either in a tourist-oriented job, or an American or Japanese tourist. The latter especially if (a) wearing tartan shorts (eugh!) or (b) wearing/carrying more than one garment/item in matching tartan. I would guess Inverness is the same. Jean Kate M Bunting wrote >When I was in Orkney last year I was amused to see an elderly couple in >his-and-hers kilts walking in a street in Kirkwall. They were definitely >the exception, though, since the Northern Isles are as much Scandinavian >as Scottish in culture, and have never been Gaelic-speaking. >I've never been to the Highlands, so can't speak for the frequency of >kilt-wearing there. > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 19:26:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76NQRRM020055 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:26:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76NPfYF016901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76NPapt056804; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76NPYpt056721 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 673F61800911 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:25:24 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 Aug 2004 23:25:24 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F1B1C610C; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:25:24 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:25:24 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:25:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ventian Turkish coats X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040806232524.4F1B1C610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Teddy, > > I think there are also other things going on with the choice > > of these outfits. The portrait of "Cameria, daughter of > > Suleiman the Magnificent, as St Catherine." Resembles > > Vecellio's "The Favorite of the Sultan." Who in turn > > plagerized it from Broissard, etc... The CATERINA CORNARO > > portrait also resembles the images in these early "fashion > > books" published by Broissard and others. There is a > > tangible connection between the Italians and the use of > > "orientalized" clothing as masque dress, with Broissard and > > later Vecellio being favourite insipirations for the masque > > costume designers...So, I think that aside from the obvious > > connotations surrounding the depiction of women as saints, > > there is also the connection to masque dress and the court > > status that is implied by it. > > So you think they *were* worn, but as Masque dress and hence their > appearance in these pictures? or that their appearance in these > pictures is intended to invoke the idea of Masque dress and hense > represent these women as being of the Court-circle set? Frankly, I haven't given it quite that much thought ... the reasoning spills out of my thesis work. But, for a short answer, both. I don't know if we can really ever know for sure - however, I do believe that some portraits were painted of the person in masque dress for the social and politcal implications that are engendered from such an elite activity. In many cases, I think that the actual existence of the garments portrayed, is unlikely. However, in the case of Inigo Jones and some of the English masques, we know that costumes based on Boissard and Vecellio were actually produced and worn in masques, so it isn't completely unreasonable to suppose that same was possible in Italy. However, I really would need to do more reseach on Italian masque culture to give any sort of definitive answer. Does that make things as clear as mud? Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 19:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i76NV6RM020075 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76NUTYF017602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76NUTpt060144; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i76NUNpt060029 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 3033318010E3 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:30:14 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 Aug 2004 23:30:13 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7D6E7CA06C; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.66] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:30:13 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:30:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source on church vestments X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.66 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040806233013.7D6E7CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I bought it at Leeds last year, it is a nice book with lots of photos IIRC (I haven't seen it since January). Lots of lovely textiles and embroidery. Cheers, Danielle > My costume-minded library friend sends me this biblio reference: > > Pauline Johnstone, High fashion in the church: the place of church > vestments in the history of art from the ninth to the nineteenth century > (Leeds: Maney, 2002). > > That should interest somebody... > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 20:08:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7708cRM020276 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7707vYF023063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7707upt083741; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7707qpt083669 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BtEkY-0000oD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:07:50 -0700 From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (- non-swooshing taffeta) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:07:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7707qpt083669 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> What does Swoosh mean? The sound or the physical movement? > >The sound :-) I don't like silk that sounds SWOOSH when I move because it >always reminds me of the sound my synthetic winter garments make. Although I >guess once sewn into an Elizabethan, it wouldn't make nearly as much noise! > >> Do you want >> something that is plain or patterned... > >Plain. I'm looking for black right now, and possibly light gray. > >> I think I might know the place! > >If you do, let me know :-) I'd be happy to spend some money on something >that's worth it! [Sg] Where are you? I get the sense you might be in Canada or across the pond from the US? I don't think you are going to find anything plain with a finish like taffeta that does not swoosh. Silk woven like linen is about as close to it as I could think of. The stuff I was referening to was patterned, but I haven't seen it in black or grey. If you look closely at the elizabethan stuff, I think you could get away with something a little softer than taffeta. I wonder what this stuff is like: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=C733 The nice thing about FashionFabrics club (You don't have to join to buy from them) is that they guarantee your purchase. If you don't like it, you send it back, uncut and unwashed in 60 days for a full refund (they do not do swatches). Are you thinking about doing a late Elizabethan? They seemed to use a lot of tone on tone damasks. These I have seen many of which have nice firm drape but not a lot of swoosh. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 6 20:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i770J7RM020324 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i770H7YF024314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i770Gxpt089168; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i770Gupt089140 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB4C5B4AB for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silver.wightman.on.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.on.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01829-10 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by silver.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E8CB5B4B2 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c47c14$4d8ea280$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408070008.i7708Lpu084047@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:20:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork: freeform versus counted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > To me, counted thread is as much > the fabric, as the type of method I use to stitch. Yes! By George I think she's got it. (Queue music ....) Or I explained better. Or something.(laughing like a silly thing) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 11:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77FdbRM024094 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Fch4d003284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77FcWpt002589; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn2.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77FcUpt002552 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 52DB012D5B; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:38:22 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [206.45.183.181] by mprdmailfe4.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:38:22 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = db88362d3e572f895df73915677b830e From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040807153822.52DB012D5B@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:38:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: MM patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Butterick does the same thing, where the height grows along with the width; a friend of mine describes herself as a fat size 12. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ I've never tried the German one, but I did once (years ago) use the ItalianRen one (for women). The one caveat I'd have for folks, is that if you're making one of the larger sizes, watch the length of the skirt! They get a LOT longer as they get larger, and my skirt was almost 18" too long! Which is a *huge* waste of fabric when you're using something expensive, like I was. --sue _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 13:13:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77HDORM025832 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:13:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HCb4d009256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HCTDr044192; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HCQDs044163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i77HDn0p012000 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:13:49 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:19:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408071319.37897.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 06 August 2004 5:42 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: > Oh the summertime is coming, and the tourists are a-blooming... Almost > anyone in Edinburgh wearing tartan is either in a tourist-oriented job, > or an American or Japanese tourist. The latter especially if (a) > wearing tartan shorts (eugh!) or (b) wearing/carrying more than one > garment/item in matching tartan. I would guess Inverness is the same. The only time I have ever seen anyone wearing a kilt as street dress in the British Isles was in a subway station in London during my first visit in 1990. The gentleman was elderly, and his kilt was a very subtle brown plaid. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 13:17:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77HHsRM025873 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:17:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HG24d009561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HG1Dr045650; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HFvDs045616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i77HHIrY012092 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:17:19 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:23:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 05 August 2004 10:42 pm, Joe Robertson wrote: > With regards to a trip to Scotland, sis may be in for a disappointment. > People in Scotland dress like we do. A good place to see guys wear their > kilts is at Scottish festivals and highland games stateside. Plenty of > them there, that's for sure. :o) > I wished kilts were a bit more "accepted" than they are. I love mine > and wear it as often as I can, but I would like to see other men come to > appreciate the freedom a kilt offers. There is an American company that is attempting to re-work the kilt idea for modern men. Their incarnation of the kilt is made out of plain twill, for the most part, and has plenty of carrying capacity. The company is called "Utilikilts" and you can check out their wares at: http://www.utilikilts.com/ -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 13:42:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77HgXRM026199 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Heb4d010915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HeZDr055882; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HeXDr055813 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joedr@charter.net) Received: from mxip05.cluster1.charter.net (mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.135]) by mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i77HeQY0008027 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:40:26 -0400 Received: from 66.169.187.190.ts46v-16.otnh2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com (HELO charter.net) (66.169.187.190) by mxip05.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2004 13:40:26 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.83,112,1089000000"; d="scan'208"; a="181045266:sNHT12525584" Message-ID: <41151405.A37DDD17@charter.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 12:40:21 -0500 From: Joe Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? References: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Utilikilts makes an excellent product that is well suited for "casual" kilt wear. I saw one yesterday on a lawn care worker mowing someone's yard. In fact, several members of my own clan society own and wear them on a regular basis. I've yet to get one, but they do set up tents all all the celtic events here in Texas. When ordering one, it is important to remember that the proper length for a kilt is to the top of the knee, not below. Utilikilt wearers have a tendency to have theirs made too long. They should also be worn at the natural waistline, not the hips (many Utilikilt wearers like them on the hips like jeans). I suppose that this might be ok since it is not a dress kilt, per say, but a leisure alternative to one. Joe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 13:47:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77Hl4RM026299 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HfN4d010961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HfNDr056164; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77HfMDr056117 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004080717411601300otp5je>; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:41:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:40:13 -0400 Subject: Dress silks that don't make noise was Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Out of curiosity and silk-love, I bought a "silk oxford" from fashionfabricsclub.com that just arrived. It's a plain-weave, nice quality, about the thickness of the heaviest good Brooks Brothers men's oxford shirts, but with the extra body and substance of silk. It has a more subtle shimmer than taffeta -- I think the shine and the swoosh are somehow interconnected, perhaps on the same chromosome? ;-) -- but because it is cross-woven, a lovely, subtle play of colors ensues, even though it's black and olive-green. I think it would make a great Elizabethan gown. They are out of the green/black right now, but have an "iridescent black" in a slightly lighter weight and with some rayon content that might suit. http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=B731 The thing is it has elegance and shine, where a lot of the linen-weave silks are noils and dull, slubby, or cottony-looking. The occasional silk poplin or silk broadcloth shows up, but it might be too lightweight for your purposes. ffc also has a bunch of silk twills right now, but I don't know if a twill will work for your project, either. The oxford has some substance to it. I washed and dried mine in the machines and it shrank about 20 percent, by the way, so if you want a washable garment, buy extra and wash first. Oh, come to think of it, I bet if you washed and dried your taffeta, it would take that noise out of it! Douppionni comes out of the dryer a much more flexible fabric. Best of luck, Lauren > From: "Saragrace T. Knauf" > >>> What does Swoosh mean? The sound or the physical movement? >> >> The sound :-) I don't like silk that sounds SWOOSH when I move because it >> always reminds me of the sound my synthetic winter garments make. Although > I >> guess once sewn into an Elizabethan, it wouldn't make nearly as much noise! >> >>> Do you want >>> something that is plain or patterned... >> >> Plain. I'm looking for black right now, and possibly light gray. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 14:40:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77IefRM026950 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Ie14d013868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Ie0Dr081192; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f41.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IdKDr080870 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:39:15 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:39:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:39:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2004 18:39:15.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6F2CF80:01C47CAD] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the links, now I want to come to Comincon more thant ever. The pictures were great. Some of the costuming was awesome. Wilhelmina >From: "Brandy Deming" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:26:12 -0700 > >Thanks for the link, there were some really good costumes. The guy that did >Cpt. Jack Sparrow did a really good job. > >B > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dawn" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:53 AM >Subject: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 > > > > I did not take these photos, but I wanted to share the gallery with > > folks. Lots of amazing stuff: > > > > >http://images.cosplay.com/showgallery.php?cat=9033&si=&page=1&sort=1&perpage=18&\ > > ppuser=&stype=0 > > > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 14:41:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77IfLRM026979 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:41:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IdU4d013836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IdMDr080910; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f37.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IdKDr080869 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:39:15 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:39:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:39:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2004 18:39:15.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6EDED80:01C47CAD] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the links, now I want to come to Comincon more thant ever. The pictures were great. Some of the costuming was awesome. Wilhelmina >From: "Brandy Deming" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:26:12 -0700 > >Thanks for the link, there were some really good costumes. The guy that did >Cpt. Jack Sparrow did a really good job. > >B > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dawn" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:53 AM >Subject: [h-cost] costume pictures from ComicCon 04 > > > > I did not take these photos, but I wanted to share the gallery with > > folks. Lots of amazing stuff: > > > > >http://images.cosplay.com/showgallery.php?cat=9033&si=&page=1&sort=1&perpage=18&\ > > ppuser=&stype=0 > > > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 14:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77IiMRM027027 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:44:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Ihh4d014017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IhgDr082643; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f13.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IhfDr082593 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:43:36 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:43:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:43:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2004 18:43:36.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[72A18C00:01C47CAE] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO a couple of weeks agon I found a dress gallery that us the MM Italian pattern, my computer crashed and I cannot remember from where I found it. Here is a link to a dress diary for early German, but she does not have anything on there about patterns. http://myra.hem.nu/costume/index.htm Wilhelmina >From: Lynn Downward >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h costume >Subject: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700 > >I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in >looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's >German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments >look about right. > >I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even >list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? > >I've never used their patterns but I vaguely remember some strong feelings >about M.M. but I don't usually work in this era so I let it slip through >the >sieves in my brain. Has anyone used these patterns? What should I pay >attentions to? Fit? Instructions? How do they go together? > >ANY help is appreciated. I haven't ordered them yet, so I'm not committed >to >using them yet. > >LynnD > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 14:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77IjbRM027039 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:45:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Ihn4d014031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IhnDr082697; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f31.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77IhfDr082594 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:43:36 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:43:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:43:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2004 18:43:36.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[72CB5B20:01C47CAE] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO a couple of weeks agon I found a dress gallery that us the MM Italian pattern, my computer crashed and I cannot remember from where I found it. Here is a link to a dress diary for early German, but she does not have anything on there about patterns. http://myra.hem.nu/costume/index.htm Wilhelmina >From: Lynn Downward >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h costume >Subject: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0700 > >I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in >looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's >German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments >look about right. > >I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even >list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? > >I've never used their patterns but I vaguely remember some strong feelings >about M.M. but I don't usually work in this era so I let it slip through >the >sieves in my brain. Has anyone used these patterns? What should I pay >attentions to? Fit? Instructions? How do they go together? > >ANY help is appreciated. I haven't ordered them yet, so I'm not committed >to >using them yet. > >LynnD > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 15:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77JNTRM027365 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77JLc4d015784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77JLaDr098257; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77JLWDr098182 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ff0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.240]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E1E9262838 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:21:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c47cb3$c20a9480$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:21:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese Silk Embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosch i stumbled over Ebays site with Chinese Silk Embroideries, and i am condemned, this is just something that hits my heart. Wondered if there are any places where you could buy that silk thread they use, there must be somewhere! Or do i have to go to China? Bjarne who has imagined a lot of beautifull silk shirts for himself with embroidered goldfishes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tha tha tha tha........................ Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 15:37:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77JbGRM027417 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:37:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77Jab4d016788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77JaaDr004580; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77JaYDr004506 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randl@adelphia.net) Received: from adelphia.net ([69.169.136.162]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040807193628.PDRX26966.mta11.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:36:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:36:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: randl@adelphia.net To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <13071ACF-E8A9-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm looking for inspiration. http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) Thanks! Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 16:04:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77K4ORM027636 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:04:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77K3k4d018498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77K3gDr016030; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77K3eDr015948 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0335.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.80]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50D3C00C3 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:03:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41153596.6010400@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 22:03:34 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming References: <13071ACF-E8A9-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That green cut velvet is very yummie!!!!! I would make a tudor dress out of it with the red and gold silk/mix damast for the partlet and undersleeves. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/kparr.jpg Greetings, Deredere randl@adelphia.net wrote: > I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a > photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and > I'm looking for inspiration. > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > > If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > > Thanks! > Laurie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 19:20:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77NKMRM029016 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:20:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77NJg4d029885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77NJVDr097290; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i77NJSDr097276 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so92238rnk for ; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.1 with SMTP id a1mr592895rnb; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040807161970b4da58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:19:28 -0400 From: Bice To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Loom for Sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's only got two days left so I thought I'd repost. My items on eBay http://snipurl.com/85gz Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal Our most popular loom... the Model T/6 has a full 36" weaving width, floating lamm system and quick multiple tie-up system using "snap chains". The 4 harness, 6 treadle combination make the Model T/6 both convenient and versatile. Complex treadling patterns are simple to set up and easy to weave. It has a friction brake for excellent tension control and an adjustable beater to accommodate reeds of different heights and widths. The suspended harnesses make the jack-action light, quiet, smooth and rhythmical - the way it should be. Expertly crafted using the finest hardwood and designed with the same economy, portability, and durability as the Model A/6, it is as much loom as most people will ever need, and remains one of the best values on the loom market today. Look at our quality and compare it in price with most 22" or 24" looms and you'll see what we mean! That's the blurb from the Harrisville Page: http://www.harrisville.com/html/t6.html Mine is this. I inherited this loom. I never used it. It's sat around for about 6 years because I can't use a floor loom. (classes are over a grand here) Well about a month back my husband of 11 months decided to walk out the door leaving my 12 year old son and I on our own. So I decided to make sure to have extra income and pay off our bills. I'm selling what is essentially a paperweight in this place. There's a really high reserve on this item because of a few reasons. One is that new this loom sells new for over $1400 assembled. This one is all put together and as far as I know it's all here. I've taken a number of pictures and can take more on requests. I freely admit to knowing nothing about looms so this loom is sold AS IS. HOWEVER I have looked this loom over VERY carefully and the only thing I noticed is that the area where the threads go needs cleaning with a wire brush from sitting so long(not the ones in the harness). (I can send a pic if desired) There are no breaks in the ropes as far as I can see. The wood is all solid. I have some papers that go with the loom as well. And as I continue to find things in boxes (we moved in this place in September and believe it or not I have packed boxes still) I will mail them to the buyer) I will NOT lower the reserve. I'd rather it took up the room. This loom is worth the price. Shipping is $150.00 (at this time that's my estimate anyhow) I will take the loom apart as much as possible without making it a pain to put back together. Shipping is UPS ONLY. No P.O. Boxes or overseas. Insurance is REQUIRED. -- eBay Floor Loom!! Harrisville Designs 4 Harness 6 Pedal http://snipurl.com/74k1 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 7 20:08:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7808aRM029282 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7807o4d002860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7807mDr018140; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7807kDr018129 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 9580 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 00:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 00:08:31 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1114.24.4.69.40.1091923666.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <13071ACF-E8A9-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> References: <13071ACF-E8A9-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a > photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm > looking for inspiration. > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > > If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > > Thanks! > Laurie Laurie, Your stash is great! It is a good thing that people on this list don't know where you live What periods do you like to do? The lilac purple wool would make a great Victorian walking/riding dress. But unless you do Victorian, that isn't a very good suggestion. Let me know what you can do, and I will be able to make some suggestions.... Diana Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 00:09:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7849dRM031247 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:09:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7848u4d015255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7848mDr012642; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7848eDr012563 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.9]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7848Z1A023340; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:08:35 +1000 Message-ID: <01a201c47cfd$4f497200$0993d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Authentic SCA" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:08:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: historic costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Leading strings/ribons for toddlers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, somebody on one of my lists has been asking about 16th century toddlers' clothes and the question of leading strings attached to children's clothing came up. Plenty of people on that list seem to have heard from somebody else that they used leading strings but nobody actually seems to know of a picture showing it. So my question is, does anybody know of a 16th century picture showing a child being held by leading strings? Other pictures of small children's clothes will also be welcome to assist this person's documentation. Thanks Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 00:43:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i784hVRM031425 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784fX4d016731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784fVDr026020; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f22.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784fTDr025953 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:41:24 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Brainstorming Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5B5D3F0:01C47D01] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We can make lots of suggestion. What is your favorite period, book or movie? Wilhelmina >From: randl@adelphia.net >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:36:27 -0400 > >I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a >photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm >looking for inspiration. > >http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > >If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > >Thanks! >Laurie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 00:43:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i784haRM031431 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:43:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784fk4d016751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784fkDr026119; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f20.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784fTDr025952 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:41:24 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Brainstorming Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5A5CE60:01C47D01] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We can make lots of suggestion. What is your favorite period, book or movie? Wilhelmina >From: randl@adelphia.net >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:36:27 -0400 > >I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a >photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm >looking for inspiration. > >http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > >If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > >Thanks! >Laurie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 00:54:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i784sfRM031475 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:54:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784s84d017361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784s6Dr031142; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i784s4Dr031114 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i785SJ5c053689 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i785SJQ3053688 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408080528.i785SJQ3053688@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Leading strings/ribons for toddlers In-Reply-To: <01a201c47cfd$4f497200$0993d6cb@ewalpole> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Hello all, > somebody on one of my lists has been asking about 16th century toddlers' > clothes and the question of leading strings attached to children's clothing > came up. Plenty of people on that list seem to have heard from somebody else > that they used leading strings but nobody actually seems to know of a > picture showing it. So my question is, does anybody know of a 16th century > picture showing a child being held by leading strings? Other pictures of > small children's clothes will also be welcome to assist this person's > documentation. I don't know if I've ever seen them in a painting -- walkers yes; but not leash/harnesses. However, in the book, Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots, there's a picture of a harness that she made for her son. Small children's clothes looked just like adult clothes -- at least after they were out of being swaddled. Jerusha/ Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 01:34:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i785YqRM031717 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i785YJ4d018997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i785YGDr046185; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i785YFDr046177 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-91-71.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.91.71]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i785YEk0029757 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040807223205.01736130@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 22:33:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Leading strings/ribons for toddlers In-Reply-To: <01a201c47cfd$4f497200$0993d6cb@ewalpole> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >So my question is, does anybody know of a 16th century >picture showing a child being held by leading strings? Other pictures of >small children's clothes will also be welcome to assist this person's >documentation. The Dover 2-volume work on the history of woodcuts shows 15th century children using walkers. 20,000 Years Of Fashion has images of 17th century children with leading strings. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 12:15:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i78GFRRM014904 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:15:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GAp4d019727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GAfDr008057; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GAdDr008030 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerowyn@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.244.24.123.dial1.stlouis1.level3.net ([4.244.24.123] helo=Dan) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BtqFp-0006JG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 12:10:38 -0400 Message-ID: <019901c47d63$066c1f40$7b18f404@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:16:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i78GFRRM014904 Status: RO There are any number of sugar scrub products available now at the drugstores or beauty counters. Also, for overnight treatment to moisturize hands or feet, Bag Balm. Originally for cows teats the local Hancock's Fabric stores and Wal-mart carry it. Its heavy, wax base I think, but rub it on hands or feet after cleansing before bedtime slip on a pair of socks(feet), or gloves. Next morning you can see a noticeable difference. Genie Snow fallen on snow, and this evening, the full moon of November Basho _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 12:29:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i78GTMRM014960 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:29:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GNh4d020441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GNVDr014398; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GNRDr014313 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randl@adelphia.net) Received: from adelphia.net ([69.169.136.162]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040808162319.PZQH6319.mta10.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:23:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:23:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: randl@adelphia.net To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200408081611.i78GBlDs008615@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <4205FFBA-E957-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've never done tudor. Hmm, could be challenging:) Thanks! Laurie On Sunday, August 8, 2004, at 12:11 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 22:03:34 +0200 > From: Deredere Galbraith > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <41153596.6010400@kabelfoon.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > That green cut velvet is very yummie!!!!! > I would make a tudor dress out of it with the red and gold silk/mix > damast for the partlet and undersleeves. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/kparr.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 12:29:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i78GTXRM014963 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:29:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GPF4d020508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GOvDr014957; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mx01.supplyguys.net (mx01.supplyguys.net [65.115.27.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GNtDs014551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendyc@vivid.net) Received: (qmail 23399 invoked by uid 89); 8 Aug 2004 16:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (65.115.27.31) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 16:14:52 -0000 Received: from 24.99.160.42 ([24.99.160.42]) by secure.supplyguys.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1091982232.41165398dc0e3@secure.supplyguys.net> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:23:52 -0400 From: wendyc@vivid.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers References: <019901c47d63$066c1f40$7b18f404@Dan> In-Reply-To: <019901c47d63$066c1f40$7b18f404@Dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looking at the label on the Bag Balm it says: active ingredients: 8- hydroxyquinoline sulfate o.3% in a petrolatum,lanolin base. WEmdu Quoting Genie : > There are any number of sugar scrub products available now at the drugstores > or beauty counters. Also, for overnight treatment to moisturize hands or > feet, Bag Balm. Originally for cows teats the local Hancock's Fabric stores > and Wal-mart carry it. Its heavy, wax base I think, but rub it on hands or > feet after cleansing before bedtime slip on a pair of socks(feet), or gloves. > Next morning you can see a noticeable difference. > > Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 12:35:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i78GZ1RM014987 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:35:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GUe4d020736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GUdDr017647; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GUaDr017595 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randl@adelphia.net) Received: from adelphia.net ([69.169.136.162]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040808163031.TWZB2023.mta9.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:30:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:30:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: randl@adelphia.net To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200408081611.i78GBlDs008615@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <43797956-E958-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The scary thing is that I had no idea I had so much great stuff until I started putting together the pics! I guess I need to sort through the piles more often. Hi, my name is Laurie and I horde fabric! I'm in the SCA and my preferred period is 16th c Europe. I'm digging 1550-1580 Italian right now, but after rooting through my lace stash, I realize I must do cavalier soon. Victorian is nice, but I've nowhere to wear it. L On Sunday, August 8, 2004, at 12:11 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <1114.24.4.69.40.1091923666.squirrel@24.4.69.40> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Laurie, > > Your stash is great! It is a good thing that people on this list don't > know where you live > > What periods do you like to do? The lilac purple wool would make a > great > Victorian walking/riding dress. But unless you do Victorian, that > isn't a > very good suggestion. Let me know what you can do, and I will be able > to > make some suggestions.... > > Diana > > Diana Habra > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 12:40:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i78GevRM015015 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:40:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78Gaa4d020945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GaZDr020111; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78GaXDr020071 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randl@adelphia.net) Received: from adelphia.net ([69.169.136.162]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040808163627.MQQG28609.mta13.adelphia.net@adelphia.net> for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:36:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:36:27 -0400 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Brainstorming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: randl@adelphia.net To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200408081611.i78GBlDs008615@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <17FFFB5C-E959-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's the thing. I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone. I costume for the SCA and I like 16th c. europe, most particularly Italy. Suggestions needn't be for a whole outfit. A cool sleeve, embroidery pattern or a hat could be just as inspiring. I'm kind of overwhelmed by the stash, so I need a more objective opinion or six:) L On Sunday, August 8, 2004, at 12:11 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:41:24 +0000 > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Brainstorming > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > We can make lots of suggestion. What is your favorite period, book or > movie? > > Wilhelmina > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 13:31:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i78HVfRM015201 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78HQ34d024202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78HPwDr044567; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78HPuDs044548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eliz@net.indra.com) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i78HPuWn044547 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eliz) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:25:56 -0600 From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20040808172556.GA17946@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Colonial Williamsburg help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband and I are thinking of visiting Colonial Williamsburg (VA) for a day during the week of Aug 16th. I know there were some people on the list that work(ed) there and I'm sure others have gone. I've never been there, and I'd like some advice about what to see, what to skip, and any other advice you might have. Off-list replies are fine, unless others think the topic is interesting enough to be on the list. Thanks, ...eliz -- "It seemed so clear to me - once I'd wised up to the idea that life is not a straight road with no exit ramps - that life presented opportunities all along the way for a person to change directions." - Alice Steinbach _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 20:13:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i790DARM017440 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7907Q4d017413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7907GDr048589; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7907DDr048536 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:07:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200408081907.AA30605368@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] c1913 RARE ACADEMIC REGALIA COSTUME Book HERALDRY X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO heads up for anyone with an interest in adademic costume. Ebay #6917636425 or http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6917636425&rd=1 Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 20:25:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i790PIRM017479 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i790Kr4d018559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i790KpDr056532; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i790KmDr056511 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i790tA5c060633 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i790tAxl060632 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408090055.i790tAxl060632@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers In-Reply-To: <019901c47d63$066c1f40$7b18f404@Dan> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > There are any number of sugar scrub products available now at the drugstores or beauty counters. Also, for overnight treatment to moisturize hands or feet, Bag Balm. Originally for cows teats the local Hancock's Fabric stores and Wal-mart carry it. Its heavy, wax base I think, but rub it on hands or feet after cleansing before bedtime slip on a pair of socks(feet), or gloves. Next morning you can see a noticeable difference. > If I'm not badly mistaken, Bag Balm and Udder Cream etc are all nothing but pure lanolin. It takes the warmth of your hands to soften them up. Natures Second Skin is also lanolin. Great Stuff. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 8 20:28:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i790SlRM017487 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:28:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i790OQ4d018917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i790OPDr058295; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i790OMDr058249 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D17E11800542 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:24:17 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Aug 2004 00:24:17 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C0125CA06C; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:24:17 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:24:17 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:24:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040809002417.C0125CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I'm looking at my container of Udder Cream right now, it is a white lotion and lanolin is the 7th ingredient. However, I recommend both products very highly but for different reasons. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Farmer If I'm not badly mistaken, Bag Balm and Udder Cream etc are all nothing but pure lanolin. It takes the warmth of your hands to soften them up. Natures Second Skin is also lanolin. Great Stuff. Jerusha -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 00:55:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i794tQRM020732 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:55:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i794om4d004447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i794oXDr085819; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i794oUDr085710 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.146.55]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i794oF1W007109 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:50:15 +1000 Message-ID: <003601c47dcc$4badd3a0$3792d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13071ACF-E8A9-11D8-95A1-000393D2F36E@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:49:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming > I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a > photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm > looking for inspiration. > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > > If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > > Thanks! > Laurie The wool would work well for a 14th-15th century kirtle like this http://www.cottesimple.com/ which could be worn alone when you are working (http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work) then become the base for something more formal from the 14th century to the early 16th century up to and including early or later middle class Tudor. If you want to stick to the 16th century then I'd say Tudor but that's my preferred time period so I'm biased. The underskirt and undersleeves are great ways to use up a relatively small amount (2-3 yd) of a nice fabric. I'd use the black silk (though the wool or the velveteen would also work well for cooler weather) for the gown as black is the single most popular Tudor colour, (if you don't like black other colours were used) and make up a few different underskirt/sleeve sets. The other option for some of your small pieces of brocade is to line the turnback sleeves with brocade like this picture of Mary I http://www.chateauwhite.com/jenny/fashion/1545-Mary1-web92.jpg or you could use some of your smaller pieces of velvet/een as I know of at least one portrait where the 'fur' lining is an unnatural colour and (in my opinion) must be velvet. The narrow lace could be used to trim chemises and the pieces of silk under 3 yds can be used for accessories like sweet pouches (though you'd have to jazz them up with some appliqué), hats, or perhaps you could do German ren and use the silk to make decorative puffs coming out through the slashes. That's my ideas bank exhausted, well unless you feel like giving some stuff away ;-) If you do decide on Tudor let me know and I'll give you all my links to pictures etc. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 03:41:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i797fcRM018868 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i797b24d011386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i797axDr060470; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:36:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i797auDr060423 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040809073651.86562.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:36:51 BST Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:36:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200408090055.i790tAxl060632@sabre.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd also highly recommend the products from LUSH natural cosmetics. especiall "Helping Hands" and the vanilla scented bar "The Soft Touch". I have found these products quite amazing and I always used to have rough fingertips from sewing and typing etc. Nicole ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 04:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i798BuRM031365 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 04:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7988g4d012337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7988WDr073443; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav22.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.79]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7988UDr073390 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:08:24 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav22.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:08:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4110D2A9.5080403@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 04:08:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 08:08:24.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B3B3210:01C47DE8] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Nice! Although someone should probably tell the website owner that she > (portrait) isn't "complicated Elizabethan," and definitely more > continental! She (website owner) wouldn't have to change persona at all! > --sue, actually a little tempted back towards the 16th c..... Actually, I'm the owner... I think I just haven't re-read my website in a long time :-) Or maybe I wrote that late at night and the meaning didn't come through... I mean I don't like overstuffed, overcrowded Elizabethan like you see on Queen Elizabeth. The lady in the blue dress is definitely not English. The dress is simple enough that I love it :-) But... well my SCA persona is 13th century France, so I would definitely not be wearing that... Though I'm thinking of creating a 16th C Italian secondary persona, just to get to wear her dresses... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 09:08:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79D8uRM027722 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79D7w4d027214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79D7cDr013696; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i79D7ZDr013640 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-20420); Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:07:32 -0700 Received: from unknown (66.205.128.60) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:07:32 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20040809060458.00b78b08@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:07:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: Dress silks that don't make noise was Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics In-Reply-To: References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=66.205.128.60 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >>> What does Swoosh mean? The sound or the physical movement? > >> > >> The sound :-) I don't like silk that sounds SWOOSH when I move because it > >> always reminds me of the sound my synthetic winter garments make. Although > > I > >> guess once sewn into an Elizabethan, it wouldn't make nearly as much > noise! Ah, but one of the sounds I like is the gentle rustle of silk taffeta. The synthetics are just imitating the real thing. If your skirts are full enough, you will get the rustle. Joan Jurancich Sacramento CA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 12:52:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79GqgRM029174 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79GoF4d018867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79Go35v078266; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from providenceday.org (treebeard.providenceday.org [66.193.73.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79Gnu5v078055 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from grace.morris@providenceday.org) Received: from [172.20.1.3] (HELO providenceday.org) by providenceday.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1492897 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:51:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1970 13:53:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century From: Grace Morris To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can't remember if I sent this on. Sorry if you see it twice! Grace/Jessamyn Begin forwarded message: > From: "Wolfram von Taus" > Date: Tue Aug 3, 2004 9:18:48 AM US/Eastern > To: deforce@pcez.com > Cc: grace.morris@providenceday.org > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century > > Armand, > > I use brais based on the same reference material as you inquire > about. The documentation I turned up regarding this pattern reveals > this type of "point-less" undergarment was to be worn with a pourpoint > (vestiture with points) or a belt/girtle with points. As pourpoints > were in use during the 14th C (ref Charles de Blois) this seems to be > an accurate representation. > Regarding how to add points to it, I attached my points to the "draw > string" belt, cut and sewed "button holes" and laced the points > through them. I felt this was a stronger way then simply sewing them > to the braie fabric. I have not found period proof of this practice, > but SCA-wise it is plenty acceptable. :-) > For a few reference pics, check out the bottom of web page: > http://www.geocities.com/wolfram_von_taus/Clothing.htm > > If I can help any further, let me know. BTW, I'm not on the h-costume > list, this was forwarded to me by my ladies Laurel. > > > YIS, > > Wolfram von Taus > www.geocities.com/wolfram_von_taus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 13:19:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79HJaRM029277 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HIX4d021987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HIS5v001813; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HIQ5v001680 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:18:19 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:18:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ce01c47a78$0f48a5e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:17:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 17:18:19.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDA12060:01C47E34] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I really like the dress of Anne of Austria. Didn't know Austria was a [SCA] > period location. Anything you want is SCA period. The only thing SCA requires is pre-17th century. Some groups are more restrictive than others, but around here we let people do whatever they want, we even have many Japanese. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 13:24:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79HO1RM029302 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HKt4d022266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HKr5v003816; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HKp5v003695 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:20:43 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:20:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c47a54$7a439ef0$6a01a8c0@SG01> <008601c47a85$58cdd520$72ccadcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:20:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 17:20:43.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[334801A0:01C47E35] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The owner also needs to create smaller displaying thumbnails to help this > situation. It'll reduce the amount of bandwidth for each page view. That site was supposed to be more of a keeping space for remembering my own future projects, I didn't build it so people would come look at it en masse... Bandwith wasn't an issue when I was the only one looking at it :-) Aah, now I want to work on my site again... and I'm supposed to be making things for Pennsic... argh... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 13:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79HTuRM029328 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HRT4d022991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HRM5v009248; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79HRF5v009135 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040809172710.XUZF14580.out011.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c47e36$1c6659e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ce01c47a78$0f48a5e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:27:13 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:27:10 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, I know (and take advantage). I just thought that Austria was a part of Germany, and had split from them sometime during the last few centuries. I am terrible at History, but we all have our weaknesses. As well as the Houplande (sp?) Dress, I also want to do some Mongol costuming eventually. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish > > I really like the dress of Anne of Austria. Didn't know Austria was a > [SCA] > > period location. > > Anything you want is SCA period. The only thing SCA requires is pre-17th > century. Some groups are more restrictive than others, but around here we > let people do whatever they want, we even have many Japanese. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 15:10:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79JAeRM029905 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:10:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79J9o4d004360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79J9f5v093891; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51410.mail.yahoo.com (web51410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.189]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i79J9b5v093784 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040809190929.38296.qmail@web51410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.240.54.68] by web51410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:09:29 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408091801.i79I195x038070@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan wools? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO is gaberdine acceptable? I have some lying around and I'd love to make up another "little something,lol. If not what are your favorite lighter weight woolens? TIA! ~Angelique h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. c1913 RARE ACADEMIC REGALIA COSTUME Book HERALDRY (Lisa Sinervo) 2. Re: removing roughness from fingers (Susan Farmer) 3. Re: removing roughness from fingers (Danielle Nunn-Weinberg) 4. Re: Brainstorming (Elizabeth Walpole) 5. Re: removing roughness from fingers (Marquesate) 6. Re: Ooo a new picture, Italian (Audrey Bergeron-Morin) 7. Re: Dress silks that don't make noise was Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (Joan Jurancich) 8. Fwd: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century (Grace Morris) 9. Re: Lovely site, Spainish (Audrey Bergeron-Morin) 10. Re: Lovely site, Spainish (Audrey Bergeron-Morin) 11. Re: Lovely site, Spainish (Brandy Deming) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:07:07 -0500 From: "Lisa Sinervo" Subject: [h-cost] c1913 RARE ACADEMIC REGALIA COSTUME Book HERALDRY To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <200408081907.AA30605368@thrednedlestrete.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii heads up for anyone with an interest in adademic costume. Ebay #6917636425 or http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6917636425&rd=1 Lisa Sinervo ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <200408090055.i790tAxl060632@sabre.goldsword.com> > > There are any number of sugar scrub products available now at the drugstores or beauty counters. Also, for overnight treatment to moisturize hands or feet, Bag Balm. Originally for cows teats the local Hancock's Fabric stores and Wal-mart carry it. Its heavy, wax base I think, but rub it on hands or feet after cleansing before bedtime slip on a pair of socks(feet), or gloves. Next morning you can see a noticeable difference. > If I'm not badly mistaken, Bag Balm and Udder Cream etc are all nothing but pure lanolin. It takes the warmth of your hands to soften them up. Natures Second Skin is also lanolin. Great Stuff. Jerusha ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:24:17 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <20040809002417.C0125CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, I'm looking at my container of Udder Cream right now, it is a white lotion and lanolin is the 7th ingredient. However, I recommend both products very highly but for different reasons. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Farmer If I'm not badly mistaken, Bag Balm and Udder Cream etc are all nothing but pure lanolin. It takes the warmth of your hands to soften them up. Natures Second Skin is also lanolin. Great Stuff. Jerusha -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:49:36 +1000 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <003601c47dcc$4badd3a0$3792d6cb@ewalpole> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming > I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a > photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm > looking for inspiration. > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > > If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > > Thanks! > Laurie The wool would work well for a 14th-15th century kirtle like this http://www.cottesimple.com/ which could be worn alone when you are working (http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work) then become the base for something more formal from the 14th century to the early 16th century up to and including early or later middle class Tudor. If you want to stick to the 16th century then I'd say Tudor but that's my preferred time period so I'm biased. The underskirt and undersleeves are great ways to use up a relatively small amount (2-3 yd) of a nice fabric. I'd use the black silk (though the wool or the velveteen would also work well for cooler weather) for the gown as black is the single most popular Tudor colour, (if you don't like black other colours were used) and make up a few different underskirt/sleeve sets. The other option for some of your small pieces of brocade is to line the turnback sleeves with brocade like this picture of Mary I http://www.chateauwhite.com/jenny/fashion/1545-Mary1-web92.jpg or you could use some of your smaller pieces of velvet/een as I know of at least one portrait where the 'fur' lining is an unnatural colour and (in my opinion) must be velvet. The narrow lace could be used to trim chemises and the pieces of silk under 3 yds can be used for accessories like sweet pouches (though you'd have to jazz them up with some appliqué), hats, or perhaps you could do German ren and use the silk to make decorative puffs coming out through the slashes. That's my ideas bank exhausted, well unless you feel like giving some stuff away ;-) If you do decide on Tudor let me know and I'll give you all my links to pictures etc. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:36:51 +0100 (BST) From: Marquesate Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing roughness from fingers To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20040809073651.86562.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'd also highly recommend the products from LUSH natural cosmetics. especiall "Helping Hands" and the vanilla scented bar "The Soft Touch". I have found these products quite amazing and I always used to have rough fingertips from sewing and typing etc. Nicole ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 04:08:01 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ooo a new picture, Italian To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Nice! Although someone should probably tell the website owner that she > (portrait) isn't "complicated Elizabethan," and definitely more > continental! She (website owner) wouldn't have to change persona at all! > --sue, actually a little tempted back towards the 16th c..... Actually, I'm the owner... I think I just haven't re-read my website in a long time :-) Or maybe I wrote that late at night and the meaning didn't come through... I mean I don't like overstuffed, overcrowded Elizabethan like you see on Queen Elizabeth. The lady in the blue dress is definitely not English. The dress is simple enough that I love it :-) But... well my SCA persona is 13th century France, so I would definitely not be wearing that... Though I'm thinking of creating a 16th C Italian secondary persona, just to get to wear her dresses... ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:07:30 -0700 From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: Dress silks that don't make noise was Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040809060458.00b78b08@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >>> What does Swoosh mean? The sound or the physical movement? > >> > >> The sound :-) I don't like silk that sounds SWOOSH when I move because it > >> always reminds me of the sound my synthetic winter garments make. Although > > I > >> guess once sewn into an Elizabethan, it wouldn't make nearly as much > noise! Ah, but one of the sounds I like is the gentle rustle of silk taffeta. The synthetics are just imitating the real thing. If your skirts are full enough, you will get the rustle. Joan Jurancich Sacramento CA ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1970 13:53:48 -0500 From: Grace Morris Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Can't remember if I sent this on. Sorry if you see it twice! Grace/Jessamyn Begin forwarded message: > From: "Wolfram von Taus" > Date: Tue Aug 3, 2004 9:18:48 AM US/Eastern > To: deforce@pcez.com > Cc: grace.morris@providenceday.org > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Braies Question 14th Century > > Armand, > > I use brais based on the same reference material as you inquire > about. The documentation I turned up regarding this pattern reveals > this type of "point-less" undergarment was to be worn with a pourpoint > (vestiture with points) or a belt/girtle with points. As pourpoints > were in use during the 14th C (ref Charles de Blois) this seems to be > an accurate representation. > Regarding how to add points to it, I attached my points to the "draw > string" belt, cut and sewed "button holes" and laced the points > through them. I felt this was a stronger way then simply sewing them > to the braie fabric. I have not found period proof of this practice, > but SCA-wise it is plenty acceptable. :-) > For a few reference pics, check out the bottom of web page: > http://www.geocities.com/wolfram_von_taus/Clothing.htm > > If I can help any further, let me know. BTW, I'm not on the h-costume > list, this was forwarded to me by my ladies Laurel. > > > YIS, > > Wolfram von Taus > www.geocities.com/wolfram_von_taus ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:17:58 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I really like the dress of Anne of Austria. Didn't know Austria was a [SCA] > period location. Anything you want is SCA period. The only thing SCA requires is pre-17th century. Some groups are more restrictive than others, but around here we let people do whatever they want, we even have many Japanese. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:20:24 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > The owner also needs to create smaller displaying thumbnails to help this > situation. It'll reduce the amount of bandwidth for each page view. That site was supposed to be more of a keeping space for remembering my own future projects, I didn't build it so people would come look at it en masse... Bandwith wasn't an issue when I was the only one looking at it :-) Aah, now I want to work on my site again... and I'm supposed to be making things for Pennsic... argh... ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:27:13 -0700 From: "Brandy Deming" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <007e01c47e36$1c6659e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, I know (and take advantage). I just thought that Austria was a part of Germany, and had split from them sometime during the last few centuries. I am terrible at History, but we all have our weaknesses. As well as the Houplande (sp?) Dress, I also want to do some Mongol costuming eventually. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish > > I really like the dress of Anne of Austria. Didn't know Austria was a > [SCA] > > period location. > > Anything you want is SCA period. The only thing SCA requires is pre-17th > century. Some groups are more restrictive than others, but around here we > let people do whatever they want, we even have many Japanese. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 639 ***************************************** --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 15:29:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79JTMRM029974 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79JR84d005930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79JR45v008118; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79JQw5v008042 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:26:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i79K1P5c069101 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:01:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i79K1P5N069100 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:01:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408092001.i79K1P5N069100@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > I really like the dress of Anne of Austria. Didn't know Austria was a > [SCA] > > period location. > > Anything you want is SCA period. The only thing SCA requires is pre-17th > century. Some groups are more restrictive than others, but around here we > let people do whatever they want, we even have many Japanese. I suspect that she meant that she didn't realize that Austria -- as a country -- existed before 1600. Just like we speak of Italian Garb, there was no such place as Italy in the Renaissance -- it was a collection of independant City-States as I understand it. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 16:28:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79KSSRM030165 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:28:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79KQM4d011790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79KQD5v055881; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79KQ95v055827 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED4B2BF67 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:26:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p084.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.86]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 660D8C5F6 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:26:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spanish Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:26:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <007e01c47e36$1c6659e0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I understand it, Germany didn't quite exist until later. In the 1600 it was Principalities (States) such as Saxony, Mecklenburg, Austria, Westphalia, Vogtland...etc.... De -----Original Message----- Oh, I know (and take advantage). I just thought that Austria was a part of Germany, B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 16:52:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79KqHRM030269 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79KpE4d014086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79KpA5v076120; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav3.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.107]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i79Kp35v075950 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:51:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:50:50 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav3.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:50:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408092001.i79K1P5N069100@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 20:50:50.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E12A0A0:01C47E52] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I suspect that she meant that she didn't realize that Austria -- as a > country -- existed before 1600. Just like we speak of Italian Garb, > there was no such place as Italy in the Renaissance -- it was a collection > of independant City-States as I understand it. Oh, right. Well, the painting is labeled as Elizabeth of Austria. Whether this is a modern way of calling her, or if Austria existed then, I have no idea. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 22:20:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7A2KcRM032138 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:20:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A2Jt4d008378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A2Ji5v004988; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt14.ihug.co.nz (grunt14.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A2JA5v004471 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p7-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.71] by grunt14.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BuMDx-0003ZR-00; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:18:50 +1200 Message-ID: <000101c47e80$53f008d0$47a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408092001.i79K1P5N069100@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:44:53 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oh, right. Well, the painting is labeled as Elizabeth of Austria. Whether > this is a modern way of calling her, or if Austria existed then, I have no > idea. *thumps head* everytime I read Elizabeth of Austria I think Elizabeth de Valois... EdV: from france to Spain EoA: from Austria to France. Actually I have a crazy image of her from her time in France. It's labeled as being the 1570s and I thought the turn back sleeves were all gone by then... and those costume books of the time were showing antiquated dress.... nope. As a visual untilI get it uploaded: take the portrait of Jane Grey/Katherine Parr, replace the forpart with a nice plain pearly grey satin, give her her partlet from her other portrait, and then...replace the brocade fabric of her gown with... Eleanora di Toledo's black and white and brong cut velvet brocade! It's a really groovy image. Other's may have come across it before, but I just found it in a Prado publication. Oh I just looked, I think it was Anne of Austria we were looking at? I'm not sure exactly how it was written in the 16thC, but perhaps Hapsburg would have been used? micahela, making dozens of pearl knots for her Elizabeth de Valois gown.... it's a project to drive the sanest insane.. http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 9 22:23:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7A2NkRM032147 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:23:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A2Lp4d008542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A2Lo5v006149; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt14.ihug.co.nz (grunt14.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A2JA5v004460 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p7-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.118.161.71] by grunt14.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BuMDw-0003ZR-00; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:18:48 +1200 Message-ID: <000001c47e80$535e9e40$47a176cb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c47a54$7a439ef0$6a01a8c0@SG01><008601c47a85$58cdd520$72ccadcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:41:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The owner also needs to create smaller displaying thumbnails to help this > > situation. It'll reduce the amount of bandwidth for each page view. > > That site was supposed to be more of a keeping space for remembering my own > future projects, I didn't build it so people would come look at it en > masse... Bandwith wasn't an issue when I was the only one looking at it :-) Ahh but word has got out now.. mwahahahahahah;) They're nice sized images for costume study:) > Aah, now I want to work on my site again... and I'm supposed to be making > things for Pennsic... argh... *jealous* I'd love to get to Pennsic, but there are far too many issues that make it more than a touch risky.. ah well. have a good time:) michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 00:25:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7A4PMRM032669 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A4Oa4d017464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A4NR5v078269; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A4Mr5v077915 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3F12BFA2 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:22:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p107.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.109]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 66E31C41B for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:22:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:23:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ideas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I purchased 5 yards and 30 inches, 60" wide, canary yellow and cream brocade upholstery material. the base is light quilted texture and the design is cream with a satin sheen to it. I think 1700s but prefer 1500s. Anyone have ideas what I could make with this. Sorry, I don't have a digital camera to make pictures. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 03:16:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7A7GIRM027738 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:16:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A7FI4d028005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A7F85v074639; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7A7F45v074594 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBF8B58D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040810001326.0245c5c0@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:15:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question on Mediaeval Miscellanea Patterns In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:43 PM 8/7/2004 +0000, you wrote: >I find I need to make two dresses out of my usual area of expertise and in >looking around I see that the Mediaeval Miscellanea pattern for Women's >German Puff and Slash gown and their Women's Italian Renaissance Garments >look about right. > >I first tried to find them on the GBACG Pattern Review but they don't even >list M.M. as a pattern company. Should I look elsewhere? I am not sure if this was answered, as I am still doing catchup from Costume College mails. If so, please disregard. Apparantly, Mediaeval Miscellanea is now called by Period Patterns. GBACG does have their reviews on this page: http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/pp.htm hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 08:09:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7AC9IRM000781 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:09:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AC7R4d013144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AC7J5v023992; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AC7H5v023927 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7ACfl5c076209 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:41:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7ACfhO6076208 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:41:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408101241.i7ACfhO6076208@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: <000101c47e80$53f008d0$47a176cb@michaela> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Oh, right. Well, the painting is labeled as Elizabeth of Austria. Whether > > this is a modern way of calling her, or if Austria existed then, I have no > > idea. > > *thumps head* everytime I read Elizabeth of Austria I think Elizabeth de > Valois... > > EdV: from france to Spain > EoA: from Austria to France. > > Actually I have a crazy image of her from her time in France. It's labeled > as being the 1570s and I thought the turn back sleeves were all gone by > then... and those costume books of the time were showing antiquated > dress.... nope. > > As a visual untilI get it uploaded: > take the portrait of Jane Grey/Katherine Parr, replace the forpart with a > nice plain pearly grey satin, give her her partlet from her other portrait, > and then...replace the brocade fabric of her gown with... Eleanora di > Toledo's black and white and brong cut velvet brocade! Ooooh! I can't wait till you *do* get it uploaded! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 11:54:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7AFs9RM001952 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AFpx4d001270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AFpi5v077783; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com (outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7AFpX5v077523 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail13.nyc.untd.com [10.140.30.155]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABATT5YVABQ6F5S for (sender ); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCvG/BWpp79D6wycnsAaDHIu2G4mhwJMzNg== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail13.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J4PDBQAM; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:49:54 PDT Received: from [4.158.246.164] by webmail13.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:49:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.246.164] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:49:25 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040810.084954.12675.247530@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2641169464 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Possible Virus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone else get a message from H-Costume entitled 'Notification' with two attachments? I thought the real list didn't do attachments, so I'm assuming this is a virus and should be summarily exterminated.....if it's valid, let me know. Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 12:04:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7AG4PRM002044 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AG2S4d002390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AG2O5v086898; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AG2I5v086689 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D23D4264A for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4118F1BB.3020001@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:03:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > I purchased 5 yards and 30 inches, 60" wide, canary yellow and cream brocade > upholstery material. the base is light quilted texture and the design is > cream with a satin sheen to it. > I think 1700s but prefer 1500s. Anyone have ideas what I could make with > this. Sounds yummy. I would be tempted to make a loose gown with hanging sleeves, similar to the ones shown in _Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620_. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 13:00:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7AH0SRM002307 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AGwJ4d008584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AGwF5v034029; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AGw85v033890 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12492 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:03:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:03:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Possible Virus In-Reply-To: <20040810.084954.12675.247530@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Anyone else get a message from H-Costume entitled 'Notification' with > two attachments? I thought the real list didn't do attachments, so I'm > assuming this is a virus and should be summarily exterminated.....if > it's valid, let me know. That would indeed be a virus, and it would have come not from the list, but from the computer of someone who has the list address in his/her addressbook. The virus would have picked up the h-cost address (like any other address) to use in the "from" line to disguise its origin. I've seen that particular one (with "Notification" and attachments) before; I forget which particular virus it is. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 15:27:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7AJR8RM002893 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:27:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AJQP4d024324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:26:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AJQF5v055681; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7AJQ45v055423 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp03.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.123]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABATUJK9ANBTBFA for (sender ); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2066 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 19:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.0.49) by smtp03.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 19:25:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4112F018.E7BEF225@charter.net> <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 13:6:727474464 X-MAIL-INFO: 15fbfb2b4e8f1f4e4b5a5a3a0e9b832abbbb833f5acf3f33afaf4f872a13c763beaa07dabb8ebedbda6a1a9ad3cbaad71ab7cb7f73dbcb5b6afa6b026bf3a3ae8b0b6b8e1b8e4f9e0f2eaece9efe0b5aae1bfeef7f6efe0a67eb2f132f6f434b024e2f3e373e231fa7de4bba1fcf4eca4b37cfd3eaea931e8b4f171e0f170b8eae9ecbceceaed7576eebd70aebb37f7b1e0a7b237b6f032b6f030e8f030e8f1ec3170ba3f30ffb0f8ee7fe277a0fb3bf33ef7eef07132a07135ef7135e X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55of2deCR/Hl9sDE2uDIqmxwklIIhMGINEs8 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are also "Amerikilts" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? > On Thursday 05 August 2004 10:42 pm, Joe Robertson wrote: > > With regards to a trip to Scotland, sis may be in for a disappointment. > > People in Scotland dress like we do. A good place to see guys wear their > > kilts is at Scottish festivals and highland games stateside. Plenty of > > them there, that's for sure. :o) > > I wished kilts were a bit more "accepted" than they are. I love mine > > and wear it as often as I can, but I would like to see other men come to > > appreciate the freedom a kilt offers. > > There is an American company that is attempting to re-work the kilt idea for > modern men. Their incarnation of the kilt is made out of plain twill, for > the most part, and has plenty of carrying capacity. The company is called > "Utilikilts" and you can check out their wares at: > > http://www.utilikilts.com/ > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 18:48:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7AMmQRM003814 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:48:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AMlm4d016514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AMle5v020385; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AMlM5v020176 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2900L9D5Z5QX@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:47:22 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4119507A.4050600@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Joann's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a note, Joann's is doing some more sales on Patterns. (I think these are the dates, please correct me if i am wrong) This Sat ONLY (Aug 14th) -Simplisty patterns for either $0.99 or $1.99 Next Thur-Sat ONLY (Aug 19, 20, 21) -$0.99 for Butteric and Mccalls - 75% OFF Vouge All of above have a limit of 10 each, BUT useally if you want to buy more, just do several purchaces. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 21:48:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B1mwRM004526 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:48:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B1kh4d029655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B1kd5v035055; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B1ka5w035022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7B1mEIa032653 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:48:14 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:53:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> In-Reply-To: <000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408102153.56124.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 10 August 2004 8:42 am, Susy wrote: > There are also "Amerikilts" Interesting. I'd never heard of them. A rival to "Utilikilts"? Wow. I just found their site: http://www.amerikilts.com/HTM/home.asp The funny thing is that the AmeriKilt people are local to me--they're in Cheltenham, PA--a Philadelphia suburb. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 10 23:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B3t2RM005049 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:55:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B3sH4d008516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B3s85v008678; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7B3rw5v008567 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:53:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 5964 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 03:53:51 -0000 Received: from cts-san216120118172.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.118.172) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 03:53:51 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200408081800.i78I0EDt060401@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Colonial Williamsburg help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We went a couple of years ago and we LOVED it. If I loved anywhere near there I'd beg to be on staff. What you see would depend on what's happening that day and what your interests are. I spent the most time with the wig maker because I'd never seen it before and it looked completely doable! My husband had to check out the blacksmith and the gunsmith. Lots of cool weapons in the governor's mansion. They were building some structure when we were there - using period tools and methods. Fascinating. We actually stayed on the grounds of the park. Surprisingly it wasn't outrageous. Then we could walk to the shuttle bus. We weren't close enough to actually walk onto the park. Julie > >My husband and I are thinking of visiting Colonial Williamsburg (VA) >for a day during the week of Aug 16th. I know there were some people >on the list that work(ed) there and I'm sure others have gone. I've >never been there, and I'd like some advice about what to see, what to >skip, and any other advice you might have. Off-list replies are fine, >unless others think the topic is interesting enough to be on the list. > >Thanks, > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 00:16:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B4GpRM005151 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:16:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4GE4d010161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4GC5v021115; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4G85v021084 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BukX1-0002C8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: <41199D96.3010602@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:16:22 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Found this image the other day while hanging out on the 'puter. *http://tinyurl.com/6wy5s* What do you think is going on here? I get the black overgown, I get the green guarded petticoat. Not sure what is going on with the red/blue ''thang'' or the hip pad/farthingale. This is where I found it: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/us/f_recherche.html Another way to while away the hours. I have found things here I have never seen before. Very cool. A little tough to query on, but worth the effort... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 01:00:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B50YRM005306 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:00:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4wX4d012488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4wU5v043451; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4wR5v043431 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFF328B54 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:58:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p098.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.100]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C4E01D3F9 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:58:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:58:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <41199D96.3010602@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- What do you think is going on here? I get the black overgown, I get the green guarded petticoat. Not sure what is going on with the red/blue ''thang'' or the hip pad/farthingale. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It would appear the she is wearing a cartwheel farthingale with a ruff. Example: http://alpha.furman.edu/~kgossman/history/elizab/images.htm The red/blue is a second petticoat pulled up on each side to expose the petticoat underneath. It looks French in style. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 01:51:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B5pORM005530 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B5oj4d015467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:50:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B5og5v071945; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B5oe5v071907 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17502 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:56:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:56:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, otsisto wrote: > It would appear the she is wearing a cartwheel farthingale with a > ruff. Example: > http://alpha.furman.edu/~kgossman/history/elizab/images.htm As a side note (since I can't offer much help on the original poster's question), it's worth pointing out that although the images on the Furman site can be very useful (at least the ones that reproduce period artwork, not the drawings provided as overviews for each period), the descriptions, on this page and others, are not always reliable for serious scholarship. In this particular case, I would question the use of the term "ruff" to refer to the layer of fabric lying over the farthingale. I've seen that terminology in a handful of books -- most of which also seem to be suggesting that the skirt-topping "ruff" is a separate piece, which is probably a misreading of a frounced skirt -- but I haven't seen anything from the period to indicate the use of the word "ruff" to mean anything other than an accessory worn around the neck, or maybe the wrist. (This is not my specialty, though, so I'd be interested to know if anyone has seen such a usage in period.) I want to make clear I'm not slamming this site, just trying to call attention to its purpose and its level of scholarship, which may be different from what the web-surfing costumer might assume. It's a very good starting point for getting a feel for general "looks," and that's exactly what it says is its purpose. But I would caution against using it as an authority on details, terms, or even dates. I should note that I've worked with Kathleen Gossman, who owns this site, and I like her and respect her very much. However, her position is in the department of Theater Arts, and I know her primarily as a theater costumer. This site was created to be only a general introduction to historic dress (perhaps in conjunction with a class on fashion history?). Plus, from what it says on the home page, the "first half" of the site (which would include at least the medieval and renaissance sections, if that's chronological halves) was assembled by one of Kathleen's students. In any case, I'm pretty sure that these are not Kathleen's specialty periods. It's likely that whoever put together these pages drew the material primarily from secondary sources directed to theater costumers and fashion designers, in good faith, not realizing how flawed some of the common textbooks and popular overviews are. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 03:05:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B75MRM029659 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B72X4d018641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B72W5v009516; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:02:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f23.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.23]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B71b5v008959 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:01:31 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:01:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:01:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 07:01:31.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[07F38B90:01C47F71] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO my first thought is a 1770 Polonaise, 18th Century Caraco or the 1873 Polonise. you can find all three pattern at patternsoftime.com. also check out http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ there have been some interesting updates to the gallery and check out the Italian showcase. You should find some inspiration there. Wilhelmina >From: "otsisto" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historic Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] ideas >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:23:06 -0500 > >I purchased 5 yards and 30 inches, 60" wide, canary yellow and cream >brocade >upholstery material. the base is light quilted texture and the design is >cream with a satin sheen to it. >I think 1700s but prefer 1500s. Anyone have ideas what I could make with >this. >Sorry, I don't have a digital camera to make pictures. > >De > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 03:05:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B75jRM029882 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:05:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B71n4d018591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B71f5v009037; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f38.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B71b5v008960 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:01:31 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:01:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:01:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 07:01:31.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[07E50CA0:01C47F71] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO my first thought is a 1770 Polonaise, 18th Century Caraco or the 1873 Polonise. you can find all three pattern at patternsoftime.com. also check out http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ there have been some interesting updates to the gallery and check out the Italian showcase. You should find some inspiration there. Wilhelmina >From: "otsisto" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historic Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] ideas >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:23:06 -0500 > >I purchased 5 yards and 30 inches, 60" wide, canary yellow and cream >brocade >upholstery material. the base is light quilted texture and the design is >cream with a satin sheen to it. >I think 1700s but prefer 1500s. Anyone have ideas what I could make with >this. >Sorry, I don't have a digital camera to make pictures. > >De > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 03:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B7PQRM001573 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:25:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B7Om4d019633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B7Om5v021476; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f19.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B7ON5v021215 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:24:18 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:24:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:24:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 07:24:18.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[36945080:01C47F74] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Elizabeth Walpole" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:49:36 +1000 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:36 AM >Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming > > > > I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a > > photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm > > looking for inspiration. > > > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > > > > If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > > > > Thanks! > > Laurie Laurie, Here is my current wish list. Maybe something will strike your fancy. Wilhelmina http://www.lafnmoon.com/110_ladies_sporting_costumes.html Laughing Moons 1890 bicyle outfit http://www.lamodebagatelle.com/art.htm Artistic Reform Tea Gown http://www.sensibility.com/pattern/ The Regency Dress and Pelisse _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 03:27:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B7R9RM001822 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B7OR4d019606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B7OP5v021273; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f17.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B7ON5v021214 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:24:18 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.65 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:24:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.65] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:24:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 07:24:18.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[36986F30:01C47F74] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Elizabeth Walpole" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brainstorming >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:49:36 +1000 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:36 AM >Subject: [h-cost] Brainstorming > > > > I've set up a live journal account for my costuming and opened a > > photobucket account for the same. I put the best of my stash up and I'm > > looking for inspiration. > > > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/newgarb/ > > > > If you have a minute, please stop by and leave me some ideas:) > > > > Thanks! > > Laurie Laurie, Here is my current wish list. Maybe something will strike your fancy. Wilhelmina http://www.lafnmoon.com/110_ladies_sporting_costumes.html Laughing Moons 1890 bicyle outfit http://www.lamodebagatelle.com/art.htm Artistic Reform Tea Gown http://www.sensibility.com/pattern/ The Regency Dress and Pelisse _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 04:30:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B8UeRM023155 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:30:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B8Tp4d021942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B8Ti5v054054; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B8Tg5v054024 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128B72AC4C for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:29:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p217.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.219]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CFBB6D3F7 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:29:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Apologies, the cartwheel farthingale and fashion associated with it are out of my time frame of interest so I used the word "ruff" for lack of the correct terminology and brain fogged on the word flounce. I used the picture on the Furman site to compare to the picture/drawing that was presented. It was also the first site I found. De -----Original Message----- As a side note (since I can't offer much help on the original poster's question), it's worth pointing out that although the images on the Furman site can be very useful (at least the ones that reproduce period artwork, not the drawings provided as overviews for each period), the descriptions, on this page and others, are not always reliable for serious scholarship. In this particular case, I would question the use of the term "ruff" to refer to the layer of fabric lying over the farthingale. I've seen that terminology in a handful of books -- most of which also seem to be suggesting that the skirt-topping "ruff" is a separate piece, which is probably a misreading of a frounced skirt -- but I haven't seen anything from the period to indicate the use of the word "ruff" to mean anything other than an accessory worn around the neck, or maybe the wrist. (This is not my specialty, though, so I'd be interested to know if anyone has seen such a usage in period.) I want to make clear I'm not slamming this site, just trying to call attention to its purpose and its level of scholarship, which may be different from what the web-surfing costumer might assume. It's a very good starting point for getting a feel for general "looks," and that's exactly what it says is its purpose. But I would caution against using it as an authority on details, terms, or even dates. I should note that I've worked with Kathleen Gossman, who owns this site, and I like her and respect her very much. However, her position is in the department of Theater Arts, and I know her primarily as a theater costumer. This site was created to be only a general introduction to historic dress (perhaps in conjunction with a class on fashion history?). Plus, from what it says on the home page, the "first half" of the site (which would include at least the medieval and renaissance sections, if that's chronological halves) was assembled by one of Kathleen's students. In any case, I'm pretty sure that these are not Kathleen's specialty periods. It's likely that whoever put together these pages drew the material primarily from secondary sources directed to theater costumers and fashion designers, in good faith, not realizing how flawed some of the common textbooks and popular overviews are. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 07:13:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BBDkRM005722 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:13:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBD14d000519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBCr5v041061; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from uni07mr.unity.ncsu.edu (uni07mr.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.170]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBCj5v040971 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from david_serxner@ncsu.edu) Received: from ncsu.edu (acq-gss4421.lib.ncsu.edu [152.1.24.106]) by uni07mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i7BBCfCE027799 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4119FF29.9010707@ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:12:41 -0400 From: David Serxner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Joann's References: <4119507A.4050600@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4119507A.4050600@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.8.10.110065 X-Spam-Status: No, Hits=7% X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know that the Hancock's in my area (the Research Triangle in North Carolina) is having a Simplicity pattern sale for $0.99 this Friday through Sunday. They have already put the ones I want aside! Nice folks. Have a swell rest of the week! David, who starts Suor Angelica and GS next week--where does the time go? J.A.Urbik wrote: > Just a note, Joann's is doing some more sales on Patterns. > > (I think these are the dates, please correct me if i am wrong) > > This Sat ONLY (Aug 14th) -Simplisty patterns for either $0.99 or $1.99 > > Next Thur-Sat ONLY (Aug 19, 20, 21) -$0.99 for Butteric and Mccalls > - 75% OFF Vouge > > All of above have a limit of 10 each, BUT useally if you want to buy > more, just do several purchaces. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 07:50:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BBoPRM005881 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBnk4d002771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBng5v062365; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (demon.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBnc5w062224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (localhost.comcen.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7BBnPjo006660; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i7BBnPrm006659; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: demon.comcen.com.au: nobody set sender to karinne@spin.net.au using -f Received: from comcen.comcen.com.au (comcen.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.66]) by webmail.spin.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +1000 Message-ID: <1092224965.411a07c57c31b@webmail.spin.net.au> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +1000 From: karinne@spin.net.au To: h-costume@indra.com, Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 203.23.236.66 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Firstly apologies for the cross-posting. I am a lurker on this list, mostly as my area of interest is not widely researched in costuming circles. To try and remedy this I have created a website about women's clothing in Holland and the Low Countries in the early 16th century. You can find it at: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~ktay0998/ Please come and have a look around. Regards, Karinne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 08:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BC16RM005949 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:01:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBxB4d003303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBx95v067633; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt10.ihug.co.nz (grunt10.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.52]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BBx65v067579 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p254-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.254] by grunt10.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Burl1-00019p-00; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:59:03 +1200 Message-ID: <002601c47f9a$9681da00$fec0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408101241.i7ACfhO6076208@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:58:58 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ooooh! I can't wait till you *do* get it uploaded! And here she is.. I think I may have the exact date wrong as I can't find my notes (pale pink Japanese notebook.. it shouldn't be that hard to find really... sigh) http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg I apologize for the light flash down the side.. I have plans on ILL the book to get a better scan. The velvet is obviously not just like Elenora's but as a written description it works;) I have more groovy images and will upload them as soon as I find that blinking notebook... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 09:30:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BDU0RM006287 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BDTA4d009202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BDT75v017979; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7BDT35v017848 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:29:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp03.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.123]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABATWHYUAK3WPBJ for (sender ); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23179 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 13:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.1.149) by smtp03.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 13:27:20 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com><000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> <200408102153.56124.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:27:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:290199749 X-MAIL-INFO: 42a444d4556d84c47de4e4694485655984199d80e410c990c0c0a91959e0b4017174895915f059e1600c2da97521f000bda175400031b1300c3521d5b1b4356d8d4035543145e155e1c124f93db0e1a1f4a1391d5090f9141d94b060f9f494746ddd94c4c5d1cd04cdb919105585cdc9e5c97de4511110a0e4c0852010e5c00c793d893d0909e1095091091da499246930b1a40c4d110c142d8d3509b9c5f4c5cdcd84cde49dcdfd1951d419e405e45180a051806029806029d41d14d0945044e944f46441c45544fd010d0c000c814d30814df5a94df5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofVsh5Ep+X1B+4TFN4QjKlELK+W0wySzPj X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It was all very odd, I had just decided to make a kilt of a similar nature for my husband who's family is Italian/Polish and therefore does not have a family tartan, then presto, I find a company doing the exact same thing. The idea of a kilt for an american who wants to wear one, but doesn't want to wear another families tartan, kept running around in my head. I really wanted to get my husband into one at least for like to the many celtic festivals we attend. I thought I could get my husband into khaki or black, then it was like someone was reading my mind... I still intend to make my own. Maybe it'll be an Italikilt. hehe that's just not right is it? Though the early form of the kilt actually was adopted by the celts after their contact with the romans. They actually wore pants before that! Oh, how times do change. Susy/Scathac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? > On Tuesday 10 August 2004 8:42 am, Susy wrote: > > There are also "Amerikilts" > > Interesting. I'd never heard of them. A rival to "Utilikilts"? > > Wow. I just found their site: > > http://www.amerikilts.com/HTM/home.asp > > The funny thing is that the AmeriKilt people are local to me--they're in > Cheltenham, PA--a Philadelphia suburb. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 11:01:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BF14RM006706 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BF0P4d016898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BF0Fx5081137; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BF00x5080898 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20914 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:05:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:05:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, otsisto wrote: > Apologies, the cartwheel farthingale and fashion associated with it > are out of my time frame of interest so I used the word "ruff" for > lack of the correct terminology and brain fogged on the word flounce. Not your fault -- that's what the Furman picture said! (Which is why I wanted to caution people about the terms on that site. Easy to pick them up without realizing...) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 11:51:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BFpQRM006947 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:51:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFoT4d022164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFoQx5022019; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav23.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFoLx5021884 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:50:07 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav23.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:50:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (- non-swooshing taffeta) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:49:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 15:50:07.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0394230:01C47FBA] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Where are you? I get the sense you might be in Canada or across the pond > from the US? I'm in Canada. > I don't think you are going to find anything plain with a finish like > taffeta that does not swoosh. Then I'll have to live with the swoosh :-) The original question was about what our dream fabric is... > Silk woven like linen is about as close to > it as I could think of. That would probably look too much like silk noil. I still want something slightly shiny. > If you look closely at the elizabethan > stuff, I think you could get away with something a little softer than > taffeta. What would you suggest? Habotai is too flowy (and often too thin), and shantung I've never handled personnally. Crepe isn't right, and satin is too shiny. What should I look for? > The nice thing about FashionFabrics club The bad thing about FashionFabrics club is they don't ship outside of the U.S. That's why I shop at fabric.com, denverfabric.com and fabrics-store.com > Are you thinking about doing a late Elizabethan? Yes, but I really shouldn't call it Elizabethan. It's 1550-1585 Italian-inspired - mostly Florentian. Thanks for your help! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:00:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BG05RM006987 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:00:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFvT4d023062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFvRx5027921; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav28.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFvJx5027781 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:56:39 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav28.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:56:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408101241.i7ACfhO6076208@sabre.goldsword.com> <002601c47f9a$9681da00$fec0adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:56:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 15:56:39.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9A4F720:01C47FBB] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > And here she is.. I think I may have the exact date wrong as I can't find my > notes (pale pink Japanese notebook.. it shouldn't be that hard to find > really... sigh) > > http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg Ooh, wow, this is a very nice dress... if a little surreal. It does look like she's in a Tudor-like gown. I can't wait to see your other "groovy" images :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BGKsRM007159 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:20:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGJ94d025435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGJ1x5045901; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGIpx5045730 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7BGrO5c089750 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7BGrOtN089749 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408111653.i7BGrOtN089749@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: <002601c47f9a$9681da00$fec0adcb@michaela> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Ooooh! I can't wait till you *do* get it uploaded! > > And here she is.. I think I may have the exact date wrong as I can't find my > notes (pale pink Japanese notebook.. it shouldn't be that hard to find > really... sigh) > > http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg > > I apologize for the light flash down the side.. I have plans on ILL the book > to get a better scan. Hey, we understand ..... Do you have a clue who painted the image or is that nformation in the Elusive Pink Japanese Notebook? Thanks! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:24:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BGOERM007188 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGNX4d025999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGNXx5049778; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGNVx5049659 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722604264A for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <411A483F.3090006@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:24:31 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Joann's and Hancock sales this week References: <4119507A.4050600@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4119507A.4050600@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO J.A.Urbik wrote: > Just a note, Joann's is doing some more sales on Patterns. > > (I think these are the dates, please correct me if i am wrong) > > This Sat ONLY (Aug 14th) -Simplisty patterns for either $0.99 or $1.99 They're 99 cents Saturday. Beaded trim is half price. Their $1, $2, and $3 a yard aisles go half price too, but the selection may be pretty thin by now as they have been promoting it heavily to make room for new holiday stuff. Hancocks has Simplicity for 99 cents this Friday, as well as a sale on "all solid black" fabric, ribbon, thread, notions, and trims. I was in my local Hancocks last night and they told me that the upholstery trim was being discontinued at 50 cents a yard. Since I knew I wouldn't get out without spending more money, I didn't look to see if it was all the trim or just a selection of older colors. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:33:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BGXnRM007238 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:33:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGXB4d026915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGXAx5057786; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGX3x5057630 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:33:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from modem-2517.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.25.213] helo=soton.ac.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Buw24-0003Wx-LT for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:32:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:38:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Hilary Davidson To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200408111653.i7BGrOtN089749@sabre.goldsword.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have it, from a Prado exhibition catalogue of 1990, as being painted by Georges Van Der Straeten in 1573, hanging in the Monasterio de las Descalzas Reales in Madrid (which has some kick ass paintings that are rarely reproduced.) The date comes from an inscription on the painting. It may have been donated by her mother. > Hey, we understand ..... Do you have a clue who painted the image > or is that nformation in the Elusive Pink Japanese Notebook? > > Thanks! > Jerusha > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:46:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BGkTRM007331 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:46:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGjl4d028107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGjjx5080340; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGjdx5080278 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r14a135.directcon.net [207.215.72.135]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7BGmMN24755 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:48:23 -0700 Message-ID: <006a01c47fc1$f8fd9300$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:40:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I'm back! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, everyone! I've been moving, and out of touch for the last month. I was so busy that I didn't even think to read my costume list mailbox, and it got so full I had to have my ISP delete everything in it. So if anyone's tried to contact me through the list in the last month, I didn't get it. :( My new home, while smaller than the last one, is really charming. It's in Placerville, which is in the Gold country of California. The house is around 100 years old and is built on the site of an older, Gold Rush era house. The old house's fireplace is still standing in the backyard. Whenever I feel sorry for myself for the burden of "women's work" I have to carry I can go outside, look at the fireplace, and imagine the woman who was probably overjoyed when it was built because she didn't have to cook over a camp fire anymore. If that doesn't do it, I can go to the basement and look at the 60 feet of canned goods shelves that another woman had to fill, working at a woodstove in the 100+ degree weather we're currently "enjoying". That should be good for my character! Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BGsBRM007360 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:54:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGrJ4d028950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGrHx5086714; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGrCx5086669 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r14a135.directcon.net [207.215.72.135]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7BGtqN25124 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:55:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006e01c47fc3$04c9c9a0$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:48:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sewing in the Basement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, having stacked all my sewing equipment and supplies in my new dining room, I've come to the conclusion that there's no way it's going to fit. This leaves me with the basement as a sewing space. This is an unfinished basement, with cement floors and one dirt wall. Due to the effects of the previous tenants' underground marijuana farming operation, the landlord has just spent many thousands of dollars on mold abatement, so the dirt wall has been sealed off with plastic and the entire area has been sprayed with Kilz. Even so, it IS a basement, and the washer and dryer are also down there, so I'm a bit worried about moisture problems. Can anyone give me advice on how best to store my fabric and sewing machines in these conditions? Should I get a dehumidifier? Is there anything else I should be doing? thanks, Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 12:54:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BGsxRM007366 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:54:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGs54d029024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGs3x5087384; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BGrqx6087264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-163.sonic.net [209.148.112.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7BGrkcq021953 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: <411A4F11.7020804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:53:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm back! References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> <006a01c47fc1$f8fd9300$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> In-Reply-To: <006a01c47fc1$f8fd9300$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Margo, How do you spin moral fiber? Should I ever acquire any I would like to know. Sincerely, Fran Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns! http://www.lavoltapress.com >That should be good for my character! > >Margo > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 13:56:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BHuERM007608 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:56:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BHtC4d005558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BHt5x5037106; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BHt2x5036987 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:53:20 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:53:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> <006e01c47fc3$04c9c9a0$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in the Basement Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:53:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 17:53:20.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[168A8810:01C47FCC] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Can anyone give me advice on how best to store my fabric and sewing machines > in these conditions? Should I get a dehumidifier? Is there anything else I > should be doing? For the fabric, the best would be not to store it there, unless it's synthetic. The sewing machines shouldn't have too much trouble with it, unless the levels are incredibly high. For the humidity, a dehumidifier will make a difference, but you have to keep in mind that its efficacy is limited and that it needs to be emptied regularly, which means more work for you. The best you can do is to ventilate the place. In the summer, keep the windows open as much as you can. You can also have a system installed on the roof with ducts going down to the basement to suck the air out. Some systems can recuperate the heat you'd lose that way. That's the best way to solve a humidity problem that I know of. Proper ventilation will also make the house easier to heat. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 14:11:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BIBmRM007681 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:11:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIB34d007095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIAsx5049417; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIApx5049334 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f0a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.10]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0390047FECC for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:10:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008901c47fce$85910200$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:10:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I also have another picture of Elizabeth of Austria, but it is a painted reproduktion of a portrait, but it has the same shape, only different fabrics. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Davidson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish > I have it, from a Prado exhibition catalogue of 1990, as being painted > by Georges Van Der Straeten in 1573, hanging in the Monasterio de las > Descalzas Reales in Madrid (which has some kick ass paintings that are > rarely reproduced.) The date comes from an inscription on the painting. > It may have been donated by her mother. > > > > Hey, we understand ..... Do you have a clue who painted the image > > or is that nformation in the Elusive Pink Japanese Notebook? > > > > Thanks! > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 14:12:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BICrRM007688 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:12:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BICD4d007199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BICCx5050407; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIC7x5050245 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52E24264A for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <411A61B5.9030905@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:13:09 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in the Basement References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> <006e01c47fc3$04c9c9a0$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> In-Reply-To: <006e01c47fc3$04c9c9a0$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO lists@margospatterns.com wrote: > Can anyone give me advice on how best to store my fabric and sewing machines > in these conditions? Should I get a dehumidifier? Is there anything else I > should be doing? There's damp, and there's damp. My basement is cool and damp, but not to the point where mold grows or I have mildew problems with costumes stored there. We have humidity here in the summer that no AC unit is going to control in a 30-year old house, let alone a 100 year old one. And I would bet your house was never built to be airtight like modern ones. Unless there has been serious renovation it probably never will be. I would be cautious at first, until I got a feel for what was going to happen down there. If paperback books start to curl from moisture I would get a dehumidifier. Meanwhile, don't put anything on the floor or directly against the wall, KILZ or not. Put your shelves -- and get the kind with no back -- a couple inches from the wall to let air circulate. I'm a big believer in plastic storage containers. But I have male cats who need to mark territory, and have had landlords with higher priorities than fixing the renter's roof leaks. I've never had a mositure problem *inside* a container for the ten years or so I have used them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 14:32:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BIW3RM007804 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:32:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIVU4d009045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIVQx5064445; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BIVNx5064394 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7BJ635c090946 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7BJ63CC090945 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408111906.i7BJ63CC090945@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: <008901c47fce$85910200$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > I also have another picture of Elizabeth of Austria, but it is a painted > reproduktion of a portrait, but it has the same shape, only different > fabrics. Cool. the only other paintings that I know is Elizabeth of Austria is the Red Dress by Clouet. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElizabethAustria.jpg Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 14:50:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BIoERM007867 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFZS4d020534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFZIx5009533; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BFZDx5009363 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0335.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.80]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484E3196FB for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <411A3CA8.4060606@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:35:04 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish References: <200408101241.i7ACfhO6076208@sabre.goldsword.com> <002601c47f9a$9681da00$fec0adcb@michaela> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a weird dress. Looks like someone in the end of the 16th century painted someone in a tudor dress but with the fabric and partlet of the later 16th century. Makes me think of some costumes I have seen where people got the right shape but the wrong fabric. Greetings, Deredere michaela wrote: >>Ooooh! I can't wait till you *do* get it uploaded! >> >> > >And here she is.. I think I may have the exact date wrong as I can't find my >notes (pale pink Japanese notebook.. it shouldn't be that hard to find >really... sigh) > >http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg > >I apologize for the light flash down the side.. I have plans on ILL the book >to get a better scan. > >The velvet is obviously not just like Elenora's but as a written description >it works;) > >I have more groovy images and will upload them as soon as I find that >blinking notebook... > >michaela >http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 15:59:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BJx8RM008348 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:59:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BJwL4d018219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BJwEx5030012; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BJwAx5029872 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sbuchler@silicongenetics.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2740@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 642 Thread-Index: AcR/zZATfa3lh8rKRImSYAJrcPrhOgADQ4xA From: "Sunny Buchler" To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7BJwAx5029872 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! cool! This has been a period I've been fiddling with for years, since 10 years ago, when I found a copy of _Golden Weavings: Flemish Tapestries of the Spanish Crown_ (whose title I'm not 100% sure of -- and I'm at work so I can't go look it up...). I haven't yet been happy with any of the mock-ups I've done, so I haven't actually finished any outfits... I'd be interested in seeing/hearing your theories on the seams -- is there a waist seam? how does the armhole/side seam work (Jen Thompson discusses it for a slightly later period here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/working.html ) -- some of the tapestries show a very odd armhole-side seam combo. What about bust support -- how do you feel the canvas holds up (being a DD cup, I'm very interested in this issue :-) ) Thanks for sharing! -sunny > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +1000 > From: karinne@spin.net.au > Subject: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s > To: h-costume@indra.com, Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, > thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <1092224965.411a07c57c31b@webmail.spin.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Greetings, > > Firstly apologies for the cross-posting. > > I am a lurker on this list, mostly as my area of interest is > not widely > researched in costuming circles. To try and remedy this I > have created a > website about women's clothing in Holland and the Low > Countries in the early > 16th century. > > You can find it at: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~ktay0998/ > > Please come and have a look around. > > Regards, > Karinne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 16:37:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BKbMRM008777 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BKac4d023863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BKaYx5059347; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BKaVx5059294 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:36:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040811203630.KWJM6722.out002.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c47fe2$e37727f0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408101241.i7ACfhO6076208@sabre.goldsword.com><002601c47f9a$9681da00$fec0adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:36:32 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:36:30 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This dress (and the woman within) are very beautiful, thanks for sharing. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish > > And here she is.. I think I may have the exact date wrong as I can't find > my > > notes (pale pink Japanese notebook.. it shouldn't be that hard to find > > really... sigh) > > > > http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg > > Ooh, wow, this is a very nice dress... if a little surreal. It does look > like she's in a Tudor-like gown. > > I can't wait to see your other "groovy" images :-) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 16:40:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BKelRM008804 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:40:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BKdv4d024275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:39:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BKdvx5061845; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:39:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BKdtx5061817 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040811203954.LRUX26805.out003.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <008801c47fe3$5d0e2b90$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> <006e01c47fc3$04c9c9a0$8748d7cf@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in the Basement Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:39:56 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:39:54 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, dehumidifier is a great options. You will also want to store the fabric you are not currently using in a Space Bag (or other air tight bag). Being in a very moist climate, we are always worried about these things. You also want to keep items at least a foot away from the walls. B ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sewing in the Basement > Well, having stacked all my sewing equipment and supplies in my new dining > room, I've come to the conclusion that there's no way it's going to fit. > This leaves me with the basement as a sewing space. > > This is an unfinished basement, with cement floors and one dirt wall. Due > to the effects of the previous tenants' underground marijuana farming > operation, the landlord has just spent many thousands of dollars on mold > abatement, so the dirt wall has been sealed off with plastic and the entire > area has been sprayed with Kilz. > > Even so, it IS a basement, and the washer and dryer are also down there, so > I'm a bit worried about moisture problems. > Can anyone give me advice on how best to store my fabric and sewing machines > in these conditions? Should I get a dehumidifier? Is there anything else I > should be doing? > > thanks, > > Margo > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 17:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BLDORM009129 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:13:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BLCg4d027936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BLCYx5086907; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BLCVx5086877 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040811211229.ICRF24490.out014.verizon.net@brandyscomp>; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: <014a01c47fe7$ea73b140$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historic Costume List" , "SCA Costumes" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:12:31 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:12:29 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Houppelande and headdress classes Aug. 22 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would anyone want to carpool from Everett? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristen Dahle" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: Houppelande and headdress classes Aug. 22 > Greetings, all. As I announced at the populace meeting, I will be teaching > my headdress and houppelande classes on the afternoon of Sunday, August 22. > This is the day after our Summer Seafood event. > > Both classes will be held at my house in the South Capitol neighborhood of > Olympia. Please let me know if you plan to come. I will send out > directions just before the classes are held. > > Pax Vobiscum, > Elisa > Maitresse Elisabeth de Besancon > kjdahle @ comcast . net (take out spaces) > > 15th Century Headdresses: > Elisa will show hats and headdresses in art through the 1400's. She will > show the ones she has made. Students will get to look at materials Elisa > has used and try on her samples. Elisa will wrap someone in her usual > horned headdress to show how it works. > Time: 12:30 pm to 2:30 pm > Handout cost: $3.00 > > Houppelandes: > Elisa will show houppelandes in art from the late 1300's into the 1400's. > She will discuss various theories on how to make houppelandes and show the > ones that she has made. Students may try on her samples. Students may also > trace patterns from her sleeves and neck openings if they desire. > Time: 3 pm to 5 pm > Handout cost: $1.50 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 18:51:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BMptRM009966 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:51:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BMpF4d007481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BMnnx5056470; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BMnMx5056110 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 00D161801960 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:49:17 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.35) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Aug 2004 22:49:16 -0000 Received: by ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA5E64F3DA; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.66] by ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:49:16 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:49:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.66 X-Originating-Server: ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040811224916.CA5E64F3DA@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" > http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg > > I apologize for the light flash down the side.. I have plans on ILL the book > to get a better scan. For some reason I keep getting 403 Forbidden errors when I click on this link. Any suggestion on how I can see it, it sounds interesting? Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 18:56:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BMuERM009989 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BMtW4d007846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BMsLx5059514; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BMsKx5059422 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id CFAD918007D7 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:54:14 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Aug 2004 22:54:13 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4829086AEA; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:54:13 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:54:13 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:54:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040811225413.4829086AEA@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like your site, you've done some nice work with a period/place that is under-utilized. I hope to see more of your work in future. Cheers, Danielle > Greetings, > > Firstly apologies for the cross-posting. > > I am a lurker on this list, mostly as my area of interest is not widely > researched in costuming circles. To try and remedy this I have created a > website about women's clothing in Holland and the Low Countries in the early > 16th century. > > You can find it at: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~ktay0998/ > > Please come and have a look around. > > Regards, > Karinne -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 19:26:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7BNQfRM010230 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BNQ14d010239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BNPux5078287; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7BNPqx6078251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7BNRaNd023665 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:27:37 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:33:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408102153.56124.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> In-Reply-To: <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408111933.19159.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 11 August 2004 9:27 am, Susy wrote: > It was all very odd, I had just decided to make a kilt of a similar nature > for my husband who's family is Italian/Polish and therefore does not have a > family tartan, then presto, I find a company doing the exact same thing. > The idea of a kilt for an american who wants to wear one, but doesn't want > to wear another families tartan, kept running around in my head. I really > wanted to get my husband into one at least for like to the many celtic > festivals we attend. I thought I could get my husband into khaki or black, > then it was like someone was reading my mind... > I still intend to make my own. Maybe it'll be an Italikilt. > hehe that's just not right is it? Why not? So long as you don't make it out of a family tartan, who could possibly care? > Though the early form of the kilt actually was adopted by the celts after > their contact with the romans. ??? They may have adopted the Roman tunic without pants underneath, if that's what you mean. But anything like a real kilt was much later. > They actually wore pants before that! They sure did. But then, they were horse riders and the horse riding nomads were all, to the best of my knowledge, pants-wearers. > Oh, > how times do change. Yes indeed. The thing that amazes me about your comment is your confidence that your spouse would actually *wear* a kilt in public. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 20:18:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C0IIRM011004 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:18:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0HO4d014643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0HKx5006992; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt16.ihug.co.nz (grunt16.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0HDx5006829 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p16-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.207.144] by grunt16.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bv3HC-0001PW-00; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:17:02 +1200 Message-ID: <003e01c48001$ab40a680$90cfadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040811224916.CA5E64F3DA@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:16:51 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg > For some reason I keep getting 403 Forbidden errors when I click on this link. Any suggestion on how I can see it, it sounds interesting? It looks like you are using a brower based mail program which will be the problem. Not yours;) I've had people stealing bandwidth so have had to limit who can hotlink. If you copy the address and past into another window you should be able to get it, just be sure to copy the actual URL not the link the mail program may create ( I know hotmail does this to put a frame around the new page) Hope that helps:) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 20:32:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C0WnRM011202 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:32:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0QF4d015232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0QDx5011287; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0QAx5011222 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B9F021800748 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:26:05 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Aug 2004 00:26:05 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A623AE5BC7; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:26:05 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.66] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:26:05 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:26:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.66 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040812002605.A623AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! That worked, it is an unusual and scrummy gown. I would be curious to know if there are any records indicating if the gown might have been an artist's invention like the one Eleanora of Toledo by Bronzino. Cheers, Danielle > > > http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg > > > For some reason I keep getting 403 Forbidden errors when I click on this > link. Any suggestion on how I can see it, it sounds interesting? > > It looks like you are using a brower based mail program which will be the > problem. Not yours;) I've had people stealing bandwidth so have had to limit > who can hotlink. > > If you copy the address and past into another window you should be able to > get it, just be sure to copy the actual URL not the link the mail program > may create ( I know hotmail does this to put a frame around the new page) > > Hope that helps:) > > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 20:36:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C0aRRM011364 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0Ul4d015553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0Ukx5013366; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0Ujx5013346 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p16-max5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.207.144] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bv3UR-0006Vs-00; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:30:43 +1200 Message-ID: <004e01c48003$96e12050$90cfadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408101241.i7ACfhO6076208@sabre.goldsword.com><002601c47f9a$9681da00$fec0adcb@michaela> <411A3CA8.4060606@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:30:36 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > This is a weird dress. > Looks like someone in the end of the 16th century painted someone in a > tudor dress but with the fabric and partlet of the later 16th century. > Makes me think of some costumes I have seen where people got the right > shape but the wrong fabric. It really reminds me of some images in costume books of the time that show the turn back sleeve still being worn in france... ahah, I just recalled the name of one artist who shows it... http://www.volny.cz/dodovaseq/renesance.html (main page) http://www.volny.cz/dodovaseq/renesance/rs104.jpg http://www.volny.cz/dodovaseq/renesance/rs41.jpg Another is in the lacma collection.. not sure which of the two costume books it is... and I'm having major issues trying to get the pages to open... I'm recalling a woman with hair a tad wild and tall shoulder treatments and in black.... I;'m sure the sae figure was used in a few of those books. http://glittersweet.com/1575elizabethofaustria.jpg <> Thanks Hilary, I knew I wasn't too far off the date. That's the book I got it from. Folks this is a huge book, enormous, absolutely beautfful. I'm sure it's the one with the Elizabeth de Valois gown I'm reproducting.. though I didn't find it in my quick skim last time: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm I want it so badly.. sigh... Then again the Prado do publish some amazing books. .. must find the pink japanese book of doom! So many images to share.. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 20:44:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C0iPRM011604 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:44:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0hq4d016438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0hox5019932; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C0hmx5019872 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649D74264A for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <411ABD85.3070407@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:44:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Critiques wanted for Work in Progress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Howdy all, I'm in the final stages of completing a costume and wondered if some folks here would be kind enough to take a look at some pictures and offer opinions. http://www.reddawn.net/costume/halloween/pictures.htm I'm aiming for the year 1869. End of the "big hoop" era and just before the "bustle" period. Skirts are not especially full, the overskirt is gathered in back to form a little puffy fullness. I'm modifying another dress to work here, so it's not cut exactly right, but I'm working on that. I have a little bit more draping to do on the overskirt, and I believe the back poufs need a couple handfuls of netting to make them stand up more. I've taken one of the puffy sleeves down (and I'm grimacing in the photos because the pins are biting into my shoulder) but the one sleeve is still up. I'm wondering if it needs more trim, if so what kind and where. This outfit will be worn for a LARP game, in the character of a slightly affluent lady. I wanted something a little more 'period' than the jeans and corset that most of the other female players say they are dressing in. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 21:02:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C12cRM012153 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1244d017695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C122x5028320; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C11xx5028290 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25269 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:07:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:07:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French clothing term, late 13th/early 14th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've received a scholarly inquiry asking for translation help on a French clothing term, late 13th/early 14th c. I thought perhaps someone on this list might have some useful input, or might know someone who could help. (I've already sent this to the medieval French clothing scholars I know personally.) The scholar in question is editing a collection of Old French songs, some of which contain clothing terms. He's stuck on one of those. I should note that this person is a specialist in medieval French, so I don't want anyone to feel the need to go consult the standard reference books on my behalf here -- I'm sure he's already been through the usual dictionaries and lexicons. He's looking for some insight from people who are familiar with costume terminology from this period, who might be able to nail down the term for him. I rather wish he had given us more context, but here's what I've got: "The garment in question is a cotte a recorson. We know what a cotte is, but the qualifying feature is a problem. It is possible that recorson is a variant spelling of a form starting with ra- instead of re-, continuing with -t- instead of -c-, or continuing with -our- or just -ou- instead of -or-. Our searches have so far been in vain." Does that ring any bells for anyone? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 21:13:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C1DjRM012521 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:13:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1DE4d018467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1DCx5033365; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1D9x5033307 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7C1lp5c093956 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:47:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7C1lprx093955 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408120147.i7C1lprx093955@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: <20040812002605.A623AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Thank you! That worked, it is an unusual and scrummy gown. I would be curious to know if there are any records indicating if the gown might have been an artist's invention like the one Eleanora of Toledo by Bronzino. Why do you think that Bronzino's Eleanor of Toledo gown is an invention? I was under the impression that there is some extant fabric from that dress. It was discussed on another list; but I don't remember which one -- and I don't know if I could find it in the list archives unless I could remember ..... Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 21:34:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C1YiRM013211 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:34:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1S04d019631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1Rvx5040303; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1Rrx5040270 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7C22b5c094086 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:02:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7C22boU094085 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408120202.i7C22boU094085@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: <200408120147.i7C1lprx093955@sabre.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > > Thank you! That worked, it is an unusual and scrummy gown. I would be curious to know if there are any records indicating if the gown might have been an artist's invention like the one Eleanora of Toledo by Bronzino. > > Why do you think that Bronzino's Eleanor of Toledo gown is an invention? > I was under the impression that there is some extant fabric from that > dress. It was discussed on another list; but I don't remember which > one -- and I don't know if I could find it in the list archives unless > I could remember ..... found it! It was on the SCA-garb list. >>> In the book "Velvet" ed. Fabrizio de' Marinis published by Idea Books, NY. ISBN 0-9627985-1-7 there is picture of an actual swatch of that fabric now in the Museo Civico de Torino, Turin, along with the information that Elenora employed two master velvet weavers who worked in the Palazzo Vecchio. ("Oh, just something I had my staff whip up for the party...") It is a "riccio sopra riccio" velvet where the black cut pile is raised above a satin ground with a searate set of warp threads and the gold areas are pulled up in little boucle loops of gold weft thread. Mind bendingly time consuming to make. In France, when they re-wove the silks for Louis XIV's bedroom, it took two men operating the drawlooms a whole day to weave 1cm. of fabric. By contrast, plain velvet, 19" wide zips right along at 1 yd per day!! That book also has the provanance of the painting listed as "The Uffizi, Florence". Is there more than one copy? <<< In the exhibit catalog from the "Splendors of the Renaissance: Princely Attire in Italy" they talking about recreating that fabric as well. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 21:57:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C1v0RM013911 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:57:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1uI4d021631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1u9x5053750; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C1u7x6053729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7C1vpPK032338 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:57:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:03:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41199D96.3010602@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <41199D96.3010602@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408112203.33697.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 11 August 2004 12:16 am, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Found this image the other day while hanging out on the 'puter. > > *http://tinyurl.com/6wy5s* > > What do you think is going on here? I get the black overgown, I get the > green guarded petticoat. Not sure what is going on with the red/blue > ''thang'' or the hip pad/farthingale. It seems to me that the "red/blue thang" is a second petticoat, over the green one but under the black outer skirt, and that she's holding it up with her elbows. As for the "hip pad/farthingale", I think it's nothing more than an oversized bumroll, a la Robin Netherton's theory about late period farthingales; the author simply exaggerates the effect by the way he drew it. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 22:17:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C2HGRM014657 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C2CX4d022689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:12:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C2CWx5061424; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C2CTx6061405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7C2EDWZ000912 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:14:13 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:19:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408112219.55553.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 11 August 2004 1:56 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, otsisto wrote: > > It would appear the she is wearing a cartwheel farthingale with a > > ruff. Example: > > http://alpha.furman.edu/~kgossman/history/elizab/images.htm [snip] > In this particular case, I would question the use of the term "ruff" to > refer to the layer of fabric lying over the farthingale. I've seen that > terminology in a handful of books -- most of which also seem to be > suggesting that the skirt-topping "ruff" is a separate piece, which is > probably a misreading of a frounced skirt -- but I haven't seen anything > from the period to indicate the use of the word "ruff" to mean anything > other than an accessory worn around the neck, or maybe the wrist. (This is > not my specialty, though, so I'd be interested to know if anyone has seen > such a usage in period.) Hmm. I didn't get the impression Furman was referring to the frounce at the top of the skirt as a "ruff." I just figured she was assuming the French farthingale was a flat, wheel-like frame, and she was describing the open ruff the woman is wearing (with I assume a supportasse, though I cannot see same in this picture) as a "cartwheel" ruff by way of description. In other words, Furman's description may well imply incorrect conclusions about what is being worn, but I don't think she's referring to anything on the skirt as a "ruff". -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 22:29:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C2T6RM014963 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:29:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C2SR4d023744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C2SPx5068771; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C2SMx5068752 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-40-010.jps.net ([209.165.40.10] helo=KALC) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bv5KH-0004Y7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:28:22 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:28:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200408112219.55553.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "cartwheel" was one of the many nick names Elizabethan's had for ruffs. Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database On Wednesday 11 August 2004 1:56 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, otsisto wrote: > > It would appear the she is wearing a cartwheel farthingale with a > > ruff. Example: > > http://alpha.furman.edu/~kgossman/history/elizab/images.htm [snip] > In this particular case, I would question the use of the term "ruff" to > refer to the layer of fabric lying over the farthingale. I've seen that > terminology in a handful of books -- most of which also seem to be > suggesting that the skirt-topping "ruff" is a separate piece, which is > probably a misreading of a frounced skirt -- but I haven't seen anything > from the period to indicate the use of the word "ruff" to mean anything > other than an accessory worn around the neck, or maybe the wrist. (This is > not my specialty, though, so I'd be interested to know if anyone has seen > such a usage in period.) Hmm. I didn't get the impression Furman was referring to the frounce at the top of the skirt as a "ruff." I just figured she was assuming the French farthingale was a flat, wheel-like frame, and she was describing the open ruff the woman is wearing (with I assume a supportasse, though I cannot see same in this picture) as a "cartwheel" ruff by way of description. In other words, Furman's description may well imply incorrect conclusions about what is being worn, but I don't think she's referring to anything on the skirt as a "ruff". -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 23:15:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C3FRRM015788 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:15:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3E94d026667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3E6x5089415; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3E4x5089389 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26122 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:19:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:19:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database In-Reply-To: <200408112219.55553.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Wednesday 11 August 2004 1:56 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, otsisto wrote: > > > It would appear the she is wearing a cartwheel farthingale with a > > > ruff. Example: > > > http://alpha.furman.edu/~kgossman/history/elizab/images.htm > [snip] > > > In this particular case, I would question the use of the term "ruff" to > > refer to the layer of fabric lying over the farthingale. I've seen that > > terminology in a handful of books -- most of which also seem to be > > suggesting that the skirt-topping "ruff" is a separate piece, which is > > probably a misreading of a frounced skirt ... > Hmm. I didn't get the impression Furman was referring to the frounce > at the top of the skirt as a "ruff." I just figured she was assuming > the French farthingale was a flat, wheel-like frame, and she was > describing the open ruff the woman is wearing (with I assume a > supportasse, though I cannot see same in this picture) as a > "cartwheel" ruff by way of description. > > In other words, Furman's description may well imply incorrect > conclusions about what is being worn, but I don't think she's > referring to anything on the skirt as a "ruff". Normally I'd assume the use of "ruff" meant a neck ruff, but since the next sentence of the description (correctly?) identified the standing ruff as a "Medici collar," it seemed pretty clear to me that "cartwheel ruff" wasn't referring to the neck accessory in this case. And in fact, if you follow the link at the bottom of the page for "terms," and you'll find this: <> So Kathleen (or her student) was indeed using that to refer to the skirt frounce. I would guess this "fact" came from an existing textbook, as I've seen this mistake before in print -- it's probably somewhere in one of the books on my own shelf. If "cartwheel ruff" (or "ruff" in general) was in fact used to refer to a skirt frounce in period, I'd be interested to know. I think, as Lisa posted, the term was only used as a reference to a neck item. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 23:47:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C3lnRM016050 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:47:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3l44d029144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3l1x5005290; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3ktx5005176 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C308C2BF1C for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:46:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p180.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.182]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D363AC456 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:46:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:47:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How odd. I have never heard cartwheel to refer to ruffs, only to the farthingale. But then as I said this isn't my period of interest. De -----Original Message----- "cartwheel" was one of the many nick names Elizabethan's had for ruffs. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 11 23:55:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C3tmRM016168 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:55:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3tB4d029643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C3tBx5009535; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7C3t9x5009520 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-20181); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:52:23 -0700 Received: from unknown (66.205.128.60) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:52:23 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20040811204652.01f2fa10@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:55:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: References: <200408111653.i7BGrOtN089749@sabre.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=66.205.128.60 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:38 PM 8/11/2004 +0100, you wrote: >I have it, from a Prado exhibition catalogue of 1990, as being painted by >Georges Van Der Straeten in 1573, hanging in the Monasterio de las >Descalzas Reales in Madrid (which has some kick ass paintings that are >rarely reproduced.) The date comes from an inscription on the painting. It >may have been donated by her mother. The fabric of the over-gown looks to be the same as the fabric in the portrait of Eleonora di Toledo by Bronzino, c. 1550. When I first looked at the image, I thought it looked like a pastiche of several different styles over a thirty-year period; that impression is probably due to the turnback sleeves, which I associate with the 1530s-early 1550s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 02:00:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7C60gRM017146 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:00:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C5wo4d007532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C5wgx5065864; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C5wex5065855 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-34-178.jps.net ([209.165.34.178] helo=KALC) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bv8bn-00066d-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:58:39 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:58:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO i'll see if i can find the folder with the reference if your interested. i'm packing to move at the moment though lisa -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database How odd. I have never heard cartwheel to refer to ruffs, only to the farthingale. But then as I said this isn't my period of interest. De -----Original Message----- "cartwheel" was one of the many nick names Elizabethan's had for ruffs. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 08:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CCI0RM019707 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CCHC4d026636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CCH4x5020914; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CCH3x5020865 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m74.in-tch.com [216.166.191.74]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7CCGeK07178 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <411B60B4.9010202@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:21:08 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish References: <200408111653.i7BGrOtN089749@sabre.goldsword.com> <4.2.2.20040811204652.01f2fa10@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20040811204652.01f2fa10@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's definitely got similar design elements (white satin background, black cut velvet, gold velvet figures), but it's not the same fabric. Eleanor's has much larger designs woven into it, and those on Elizabeth's gown are smaller and more scattered. --sue, who wants real, silk, cut-and-voided velvets for her "dream" fabric *sigh*... Oh, and those huge oversleeves show up in a number of late-16th/early-17th c. gowns. IIRC, it always struck me as a mostly Spanish style.... Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 05:38 PM 8/11/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >> I have it, from a Prado exhibition catalogue of 1990, as being >> painted by Georges Van Der Straeten in 1573, hanging in the Monasterio >> de las Descalzas Reales in Madrid (which has some kick ass paintings >> that are rarely reproduced.) The date comes from an inscription on the >> painting. It may have been donated by her mother. > > > The fabric of the over-gown looks to be the same as the fabric in the > portrait of Eleonora di Toledo by Bronzino, c. 1550. When I first > looked at the image, I thought it looked like a pastiche of several > different styles over a thirty-year period; that impression is probably > due to the turnback sleeves, which I associate with the 1530s-early 1550s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 08:46:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CCkTRM019990 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:46:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CCjR4d028227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CCjPx5032654; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CCjNx5032537 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p632-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.124] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BvExC-0005GF-00; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:45:11 +1200 Message-ID: <002501c4806a$2cf97090$7cc2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2740@incoming.sigenetics.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:44:54 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Wow! cool! This has been a period I've been fiddling with for years, since 10 years ago, when I found a copy of _Golden Weavings: Flemish Tapestries of the Spanish Crown_ (whose title I'm not 100% sure of -- and I'm at work so I can't go look it up...). I haven't yet been happy with any of the mock-ups I've done, so I haven't actually finished any outfits... I'd be interested in seeing/hearing your theories on the seams -- is there a waist seam? how does the armhole/side seam work (Jen Thompson discusses it for a slightly later period here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/working.html ) -- some of the tapestries show a very odd armhole-side seam combo. What about bust support -- how do you feel the canvas holds up (being a DD cup, I'm very interested in this issue :-) ) Honestly everything that I've seen shows more than one method of seam manipulation, and in tapestries most do not have a waist seam but do have a back seam. If you even look at the Bruegel paintings (similar vein, different location, different social group) there is a bit of mix and match happening with seam lines. Especially around the arm hole and the back. But the Tapestries seem to mostly show a variation of the style, and astyle that seems to have been worn in a few places.. I'm only going to discuss that, I do have some images of waist seams, though they tend to be of a different style within and before the era. One of the best that shows the front waist has no seam, as her sash is slung in a low v (which qould make for a cutting I haven't seen oustide the Lord of the Rings costumes;) .. well modernly anyway) http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/taps/ho_1998.205.htm Cloto, in the vibrant blue, is whom I am referring to. It always amazes me when I see somehting I automatically dismiss as being allegorical in nature, turns up in a portrait.. like the buttoned down front in a few tapestries... http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/benson/marymagd.html BENSON, Ambrosius It's flemish, but you can see no waist seam and the typical stresses you get when you have no waist seam, fitting around the belly and hips from under the waist. I was annoyed by mine, but when I saw some painting I got less worried. Same with the looseness of fit to a degree, some shapes are rather less tightly fitted than others. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/m/master/zunk_fl/16_paint/1/04adora2.html another Flemish but this is pretty much how I cut mine: flat at front pleated in the back. http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/objects/oz230.html Not conclusive either way, but does show the fullness towards the back started early (even if it is a religious painting. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/e/engelbre/cecilia.html Again not really conclusive, but the black of her edge trim does continue down. http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=3XXMS I'm really not sure what to make of the dating here, especially with the litle Master of... It could be a copy of course, but no mention of it... http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/h/hemessen/jan/weighing.html The fold at her waist is similar to the one under her bust, so I tend to discount as a seam. This artist ended his days in Haarlem (where my mother comes from;) ) http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/h/hemessen/jan/prodigal.html The woman with the v-neck is very similar to a woodcut on Jen's site for the working class Flemish dress. Karrine, I would consider the Card Players still to be relevent as the open laced style can be seen a few paintings/sketches of the 16thC. Not just the Moore women sketched by Halbein (as they are English but the style is remarkably similar) but also the painting of some girls in consert by the Master of the Female Half-Length: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/m/master/female/concert.html I'd just give a word of caution about it as we now have doubts over the exact origin and just who painted it. And suggest a search for the style as it is rare if it is still worn... there are some nice crossover paintings by the likes of Cranach as well as some Dutch/Flemish artists who mix Lowlands and "German" styles in works of art that aren't portraits. It would be interesting to see just what the artists were intending by it all: use of foreign dress for novelty? Use of dress the patron would be familiar with? Maybe a style was truly influenced by a mix of styles (look at the works of Bruyn and then again the Sibyl of Cleves and Anne of Cleves portraits.) And each painting would be different anyway. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 10:27:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CERgRM020712 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:27:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEQv4d005873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEQrx5099508; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEQqx5099305 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:26:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LLWatts@aol.com) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.c1.44564fa1 (14374) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:26:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another book review wanted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was going through the latest mailing from the History Book Club yesterday, and ran across this: "The Habit: A History Of The Clothing Of Catholic Nuns by Elizabeth Kuhns Surveys the history and symbolic significance of the starched wimples, dark dresses, and flowing veils that have defined the Catholic consecrated woman for almost 2000 years." Anyone know about this one? Is it any good? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 10:33:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CEXtRM020767 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:33:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEXM4d006483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEXJx5005854; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEXHx5005802 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7CF825c099012 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:08:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7CF8219099011 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408121508.i7CF8219099011@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20040811204652.01f2fa10@pop.surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > At 05:38 PM 8/11/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >I have it, from a Prado exhibition catalogue of 1990, as being painted by > >Georges Van Der Straeten in 1573, hanging in the Monasterio de las > >Descalzas Reales in Madrid (which has some kick ass paintings that are > >rarely reproduced.) The date comes from an inscription on the painting. It > >may have been donated by her mother. > > The fabric of the over-gown looks to be the same as the fabric in the > portrait of Eleonora di Toledo by Bronzino, c. 1550. When I first looked > at the image, I thought it looked like a pastiche of several different > styles over a thirty-year period; that impression is probably due to the > turnback sleeves, which I associate with the 1530s-early 1550s. It is very similar. If you look at the two side by side, you'll see that they are different. I would assume that they came from the same shop. The central pomegranite on Elizabeths bodice does not have the same black border like Elenora does. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 10:35:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CEZ2RM020773 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEYM4d006577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEYLx5007031; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from uni09mr.unity.ncsu.edu (uni09mr.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEYKx5007010 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from david_serxner@ncsu.edu) Received: from ncsu.edu (acq-gss4421.lib.ncsu.edu [152.1.24.106]) by uni09mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i7CEYFlM009034 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <411B7FE8.4040806@ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:34:16 -0400 From: David Serxner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another book review wanted References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.8.11.110165 X-Spam-Status: No, Hits=7% X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My boss at the costume shop where I work part-time (I am a State Employee or wage slave, so I need part-time work all the time) said that it was okay. There was enough information for a nice long article, but not enough for a full length book. David LLWatts@aol.com wrote: >I was going through the latest mailing from the History Book Club yesterday, >and ran across this: > >"The Habit: A History Of The Clothing Of Catholic Nuns >by Elizabeth Kuhns > >Surveys the history and symbolic significance of the starched wimples, dark >dresses, and flowing veils that have defined the Catholic consecrated woman for >almost 2000 years." > >Anyone know about this one? Is it any good? > >Leah >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 10:37:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CEbmRM020784 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEbF4d006808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEbCx5011499; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from uni09mr.unity.ncsu.edu (uni09mr.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.1.172]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEb8x5011403 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from david_serxner@ncsu.edu) Received: from ncsu.edu (acq-gss4421.lib.ncsu.edu [152.1.24.106]) by uni09mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/N.20040607.01) with ESMTP id i7CEb5lM009460 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <411B8092.70206@ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:37:06 -0400 From: David Serxner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.8.11.110165 X-Spam-Status: No, Hits=7% X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Habit book, part 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I would recommend is to try and get it through your local library first and see if it is worth the investment ultimately. David LLWatts@aol.com wrote: >I was going through the latest mailing from the History Book Club yesterday, >and ran across this: > >"The Habit: A History Of The Clothing Of Catholic Nuns >by Elizabeth Kuhns > >Surveys the history and symbolic significance of the starched wimples, dark >dresses, and flowing veils that have defined the Catholic consecrated woman for >almost 2000 years." > >Anyone know about this one? Is it any good? > >Leah >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- David Serxner NCSU Libraries Acquisitions Dept. Serials and Electronic Resources Campus Box 7111 Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 919-513-3355 office 919-515-7292 fax _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 10:41:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CEfeRM020796 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:41:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEei4d007148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEefx5016112; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from copper.wightman.on.ca (copper.wightman.ca [216.249.0.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEedx5015965 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by copper.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C891F3F8EA for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [142.46.141.52]) by copper.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 46B143F8E2 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01c4807a$d3d16f20$348d2e8e@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200408121245.i7CCjhx6032785@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:43:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Critiques wanted for Work in Progress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO First off the gown is gorgeous. Wonderful choice of fabric and colour for the period. I think a purple ribbon trim in the gathers of the flounce would not only tie the ensemble together, but give it that one extra period tweak. Of course that's a personal aesthetic. My only other comment would be: you need to be corseted! :-) The lines of the bodice would be very fitted, very flat, and your posture very upright, which it's not. The corset would change all that. Of course, it might also change the fit of the garment, but I think it's worth a try, especially given the beauty of this costume. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 10:59:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CExgRM020845 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:59:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEwp4d008915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEwlx5029691; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CEwix5029603 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.6.304df2ff (4459) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <6.304df2ff.2e4cdf96@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:58:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Critiques wanted for Work in Progress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/11/04 7:44:19 PM Central Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/halloween/pictures.htm Hi! It's a beautiful dress and you've done a wonderful job with it. Bless you for not going with jeans and a corset. My only comment would be that it's actually a little later in period to my eyes, perhaps second bustle period (1880's). The narrower width of your skirt and shortness of your bodice looks like second bustle era. First bustle era (generally) had cuirasse or princess line bodices. Also, the sleeves during the late 60's and early 70's were very similar to what would have appeared on a hoop skirted gown (fullness concentrated more toward the lower arm); the type of sleeves you have (fitted, with fullness at the top) would have come into fashion in the 1880's, heading towards the 90's Gibson Girl look with huge leg-o-mutton sleeves. I don't know if you're constricted as to period with the role playing, but that's my $.02. Perhaps you can just be an extremely fashion-forward lady of the 1870's :o). **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 11:27:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CFRURM020970 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:27:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CFPZ4d011581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CFPSx5048011; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com (outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7CFPNx5047890 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail19.nyc.untd.com [10.140.30.161]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABATZC76AM97XVJ for (sender ); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:44 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCt6tmvxuYPy4hAwaIFXmw2leinKWzqZoAg== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail19.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J4UGMQJX; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:00 PDT Received: from [4.158.81.177] by webmail19.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:23:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.81.177] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:23:28 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Critiques wanted for Work in Progress X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040812.082400.9327.269923@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2641169464 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The dress is very nice, but I agree with the previous post that it looks more like a late 1880's fashion than a Reconstruction fashion. It slots in almost perfectly for 1888. You'd look great doing a Sherlock Holmes role play. Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 12:12:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CGCHRM021189 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:12:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CGBY4d015954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CGBMx5080405; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CGAwx5080088 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894214264A for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <411B968C.2090804@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:10:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Critiques wanted for Work in Progress References: <20040812.082400.9327.269923@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20040812.082400.9327.269923@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > > The dress is very nice, but I agree with the previous post that it looks more like a late 1880's fashion than a Reconstruction fashion. It slots in almost perfectly for 1888. You'd look great doing a Sherlock Holmes role play. > Thanks. It actually *is* an 1890-ish dress that I am trying to modify. I have photos of narrow sleeves from the 1865-70 period, but I wish I had more of the purple fabric to modify them. I think after I take the sleeve cap down and trim the bodice to imitate the dropped sleeve then it will start looking more "1869". We're doing a wild west goldrush kind of thing without a set time period, I just happen to choose 1869 as the post-hoop pre-bustle stage so I wouldn't have to construct or transport either of those in my luggage. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 12:15:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CGFGRM021217 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:15:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CGEM4d016176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:14:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CGEJx5082695; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CGEGx5082658 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BvIDY-0006Zg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:14:16 -0400 Message-ID: <2010033.1092327256149.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:14:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Habit book, part 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LLWatts@aol.com wrote: >I was going through the latest mailing from the History Book Club yesterday, >and ran across this: > >"The Habit: A History Of The Clothing Of Catholic Nuns >by Elizabeth Kuhns > >Surveys the history and symbolic significance of the starched wimples, dark >dresses, and flowing veils that have defined the Catholic consecrated woman for >almost 2000 years." > >Anyone know about this one? Is it any good? "Not very" would be my answer, though I expect it depends on what kind of knowledge you bring to the book. If you don't know anything more than "nuns wear funny clothes," it's probably a good introduction. However it's written by a journalist, so it shares the virtues and faults that books written by journalists tend to share -- good storytelling, but not much depth of background in the specialized subject areas that would illuminate what she's finding in the present (or near past). In this case, you can't _really_ understand where monastic clothing comes from if you don't know much about clothing history. For instance, some nuns' traditional habits are derived from the clothing worn by widows at the time they were founded. Others have roots in 19th-century peasant clothing from their founding area. It's pretty easy to find these two statements in the popular literature -- and Kuhns dutifully repeats them. But the hows and whys, which would be of immense interest to readers of this list (at least) are completely missing, because the author didn't have the historical background to research them herself. She also doesn't address (IIRC) the common fallacy that nuns' habits haven't changed from whatever they were when the group was founded. Of course this is true in some cases, but for the most part, communities have been more concerned about practicality and the "spirit" of their founders than about exact adherence to history. (They're not professional costumers, after all! ) For instance, the Poor Clares I'm familiar with (founded in the 13th century) used to wear as separate pieces a cap, a draped wimple, and two black veils, one over the other. The cap and wimple are now combined into a close-fitting white hood- or helmet-like thing with an opening for the face, and they now wear only one veil. I'm sure a lot of us would also be interested in how a community has gone about adapting to modern materials and ideas (other than those who have simply adopted a version of modern dress). I've read of one community, for instance, that had to change their seaming method radically because the firm, well-fulled wool cloth used traditionally was no longer available. Fulled wool takes well to a "butted" seam, with the two edges placed together and held by fine running stitches, worked closely, back and forth across the join, making a seam that's almost invisible. With today's more loosely woven wools, this isn't practical, so modern types of machine-made seams are now used, with the raw edges hidden or finished. So basically, this is not a costumers' book, since it's missing a lot of the information that would allow us to see monastic clothing in relation to its historical context. Of course, the author didn't set out to write a costumers' book, she set out to write a popular overview, and that's what this is. As such, it's not bad; but to someone researching historical clothing it's not going to tell you a lot you don't already know. My recommendation: buy it heavily discounted or remaindered, from somewhere like Scholars' Bookshelf or Edward Hamilton (if and when they carry it). If monastic clothing is one of your special interests, you should have it on your shelf, and if you're just starting out, it's a fairly good introduction to the subject. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 14:02:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CI2sRM021838 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CI2B4d027939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CI29x5074639; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CI0Nx6073352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CI0KXc011520 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: <411BB05A.6060707@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:00:58 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s References: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2740@incoming.sigenetics.com> <002501c4806a$2cf97090$7cc2adcb@michaela> In-Reply-To: <002501c4806a$2cf97090$7cc2adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > Honestly everything that I've seen shows more than one method of seam > manipulation, and in tapestries most do not have a waist seam but do have a > back seam. I'm so glad this thread has come up now because I have been doing the prelim drawings for two gowns: another Tudor, and the grey gown from the "card players" picture (what did I do with that link...hmmm...) Anyway, after poring over the Tudor images yet again (http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor) I had almost concluded that none of them have a seam dividing the front bodice from the front skirt! Truly, if you look at the progression of images from the 15th century in northern europe (http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/), the preponderance of images seem to show a front cut all in one piece. Think of the evolution from fitted gown to "Burgundian" to the 15th/16th century wider gown--the action is in the skirt, especially at the back. That is, though the waist, as defined by a belt, moves up and down the torso, and though the general vertical-ness tightens or loosens a bit throughout the 15th century, the general look of a fited torso is pretty consistent. The fullness in the skirt changes: it's either a column or a triangle (wide at the bottom), but the area around the waist stays pretty smooth. (Except, of course, with the very full over-houppelandes--but even there the fullness is generally constrained in some way around the torso.) Then in the turn of the century you get the general trend, adapted from men's fashions, or broadness: widening sleeves, fuller skirt, fullness at the back, some at the hips. So, if we pretend for a moment that we had never cut clothing out from paper patterns on nicely folded fabric and sewn "right sides together" by machine, but instead had always, for generations, used draping or rectangular construction methods, it seems reasonable to assume that a front cut all in one piece and fitted to the body would be practical. Then, to get fullness in the back you could add fabric. That's what I'm trying to figure out right now. Would you add a rectangular piece of fabric that was pleated, a trapezoidal piece? Would it extend to the side seam or...? Ideas? - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 14:14:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CIEDRM021916 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CIDH4d028891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CIDCx5082902; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CIDAx5082866 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0093.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.93]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BvK4a-0004Wn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:13:09 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:13:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (- non-swooshing taffeta) From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 8/11/04 11:49 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin at audreybmorin2@hotmail.com wrote: > > What would you suggest? Habotai is too flowy (and often too thin), and > shantung I've never handled personnally. Crepe isn't right, and satin is too > shiny. What should I look for? > For stage costumes, I've had nice success with satin used wrong-side-out. The body is good, the color is good, and the shine is minimized. When I made my niece's prom gown, she decided that's what she wanted too. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 15:02:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CJ2ERM022098 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CIwE4d002830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CIw4x5016046; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp103.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.169.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7CIw2x5016007 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claudine_on_the_net@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (claudine?on?the?net@66.17.149.13 with plain) by smtp103.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 18:58:01 -0000 Message-ID: <411BBD36.8060400@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:55:50 -0700 From: Claudine User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: non-family tartans [was: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo?] References: <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com><000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> <200408102153.56124.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> In-Reply-To: <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Susy, My brother is in an Irish (not Scottish) pipe band, the only one in their competition circuit (I think). Their old uniform was a blueish-grey kilt (no plaid), but now they wear a military tartan (at least, that's what he told me...I don't know anything at all about tartans). Here's a photo from their website: http://www.ihpb.org/pictures/pleasanton03/DCP_25483f8238e49_jpg.html Claudine Susy wrote: > It was all very odd, I had just decided to make a kilt of a similar nature > for my husband who's family is Italian/Polish and therefore does not have a > family tartan, then presto, I find a company doing the exact same thing. > The idea of a kilt for an american who wants to wear one, but doesn't want > to wear another families tartan, kept running around in my head. I really > wanted to get my husband into one at least for like to the many celtic > festivals we attend. I thought I could get my husband into khaki or black, > then it was like someone was reading my mind... > I still intend to make my own. Maybe it'll be an Italikilt. > hehe that's just not right is it? > Though the early form of the kilt actually was adopted by the celts after > their contact with the romans. They actually wore pants before that! Oh, > how times do change. > Susy/Scathac > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 17:06:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CL6qRM022641 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CL6B4d015270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CL66sV012667; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CL62sV012606 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.103] (pm7-103.eos.net [205.133.149.103]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CL5xVe005892 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:05:59 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:02:56 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408121801.i7CI1Fx6073954@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:the habit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I read a review of this book in a Catholic magazine. The reviewer liked it, but my impression (not having seen it) is that it's a book for casual readers, the sort of people who would be surprised to find that each order has a different habit. It didn't sound like a scholarly or in-depth book to me. I'd look for it if you want general information or a good overview, but not if you are looking for depth. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 19:43:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CNhmRM023231 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:43:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CNh54d000264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CNgrsV020224; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7CNgpsV020167 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6F235180167D for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:42:46 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Aug 2004 23:42:46 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5AF3EC610C; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:42:46 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:42:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Elixabeth of Austria Re: [h-cost] Lovely site, Spainish X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040812234246.5AF3EC610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Farmer > Thank you! That worked, it is an unusual and scrummy gown. I would be curious to know if there are any records indicating if the gown might have been an artist's invention like the one Eleanora of Toledo by Bronzino. Why do you think that Bronzino's Eleanor of Toledo gown is an invention? I was under the impression that there is some extant fabric from that dress. It was discussed on another list; but I don't remember which one -- and I don't know if I could find it in the list archives unless I could remember ..... Jerusha Well, it has been awhile since I read the research on it but, IIRC the basic idea was: -No gown matching that description is in EoT's wardrobe records -What is believed to be a weaver's sample of that fabric is recorded as part of Bronzino's stuff -The same fabric is used in another portrait in which the actuality of the gown is also in doubt... - I can't remember but there MAY have been a reference in said research to a problem in the continuity of the pattern...or something like that. Anyway, it isn't my research but I found it to be convincing argument, of course, one can never know for sure... Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 20:57:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D0vvRM023558 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:57:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D0vJ4d005187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D0vFsV060089; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D0vDsV060072 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-69-33.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.69.33]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7D0uQNX022090 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:56:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040812173013.0157e860@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:34:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: non-family tartans [was: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo?] In-Reply-To: <411BBD36.8060400@yahoo.com> References: <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> <200408102153.56124.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >blueish-grey kilt (no plaid), An acquaintance of mine, whose whole family did Scottish at Ren. Faires, got a deal once on an entire bolt of nice plaid wool. It wasn't any tartan he recognized. His wife made Scottish clothes for all of them out of it. So when some tourist asked him, as they all stood there matching, if it was his family tartan, he said yes. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 21:12:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D1CmRM023617 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D1C94d006095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D1C7sV067271; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D1C3sV067149 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from p431-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.177] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BvQbn-00041k-00; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:11:51 +1200 Message-ID: <003a01c480d2$7bfecc40$b1c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2740@incoming.sigenetics.com><002501c4806a$2cf97090$7cc2adcb@michaela> <411BB05A.6060707@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:11:36 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Then in the turn of the century you get the general trend, adapted from > men's fashions, or broadness: widening sleeves, fuller skirt, fullness > at the back, some at the hips. So, if we pretend for a moment that we > had never cut clothing out from paper patterns on nicely folded fabric > and sewn "right sides together" by machine, but instead had always, for > generations, used draping or rectangular construction methods, it seems > reasonable to assume that a front cut all in one piece and fitted to the > body would be practical. Then, to get fullness in the back you could add > fabric. heheh, I almost never used patterns in the past, and most of the cuttign I do is directly to the muslin havign used a grid to get an idea for best use of fabric;) The different front and different back styles actually makes relaly good use of the fabric. Yet another reason for me to actually get my graphs up online!;) > That's what I'm trying to figure out right now. Would you add a > rectangular piece of fabric that was pleated, a trapezoidal piece? Would > it extend to the side seam or...? I've done mostly trapeze shapes due to an attempt to get as much fabric at the hem and as little at the waist. This way you get that;) I've done um.... Four dresses like this (one not on the site as I am having issues with making it reversable.. ie baglining... The fifth is now being made and described below. I was extremely happy when I saw the Duerer Pattern piece on Karinne's site as I've been promoting the circle as a great basis for skirts for a while now, and am constantly fining new evidence of them;) The bases in History of Costume (Payne and Kohler versions yes?) The Mary of Hungary dress: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/mary/index.htm (I do link to Cynthia's pre-existing page as she has the patterns and other useful info, I was sent personal photos of the dress and the bargain was to share them;) ) Half circle skirt patterns in Alcega.... as well as a lot of cloak and mantle patterns based on the circle plan. I'm pleased about the Duerer image because for my blue velveteen gown (going to be worn with other bits to be Eowyn's funeral garb in September) uses a half circle in the back pleated to fit. I debated where to put the segment, and put it in the train rather than what would have been the sides.. it probably would have looked better at the top thinking about it... but it's an experiment... This is just the pinned together version, as there will be lining to make the fabric less floaty;) http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay3.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay4.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay5.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay1.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay2.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay6.jpg Pinned on additions, I'll get a mantle, gollar, sleeves and under skirt to use for other bits at the end of this;) http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay7.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/cosplay8.jpg This loose sleeved fitted body flared skirt style is one of my favourites, I'm looking at Bryun's work also as there are similarities but differences in cut and general style. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 22:36:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D2aKRM023837 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:36:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D2ZY4d011773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D2ZTsV008146; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D2ZPsW008069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7D2bAEK006103 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:37:11 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:42:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408122242.53120.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 11 August 2004 11:19 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Wednesday 11 August 2004 1:56 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, otsisto wrote: > > > > It would appear the she is wearing a cartwheel farthingale with a > > > > ruff. Example: > > > > http://alpha.furman.edu/~kgossman/history/elizab/images.htm > > > > [snip] [snipping again] > > Hmm. I didn't get the impression Furman was referring to the frounce > > at the top of the skirt as a "ruff." I just figured she was assuming > > the French farthingale was a flat, wheel-like frame, and she was > > describing the open ruff the woman is wearing (with I assume a > > supportasse, though I cannot see same in this picture) as a > > "cartwheel" ruff by way of description. [snip] > Normally I'd assume the use of "ruff" meant a neck ruff, but since the > next sentence of the description (correctly?) identified the standing ruff > as a "Medici collar," it seemed pretty clear to me that "cartwheel ruff" > wasn't referring to the neck accessory in this case. > > And in fact, if you follow the link at the bottom of the page for "terms," > and you'll find this: > > < extended from the waist to the top edge of the cartwheel farthingale. > One also sees this ruff on the skirts supported by a spanish > farthingale.>> I stand corrected. > So Kathleen (or her student) was indeed using that to refer to the skirt > frounce. I would guess this "fact" came from an existing textbook, as I've > seen this mistake before in print -- it's probably somewhere in one of the > books on my own shelf. I haven't, but you've read more books relating to this period than I have. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 22:43:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D2hNRM023859 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:43:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D2gf4d012203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D2gXsV011583; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D2fwsV011326 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so1341rnk for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.74.10 with SMTP id w10mr16010rna; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac1904081219413f79de0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:41:58 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Attn: Jerusha re: Princely Attire in Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saw you mention this book in a post, and I can find nothing on it. Do you have an author, publication date, ISBN - ? Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 12 23:00:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D30sRM023911 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D30B4d013683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D305sV021658; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D303sV021632 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6975DE1D for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040812194623.02496090@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:59:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] hard-to-find fabrics (- non-swooshing taffeta) In-Reply-To: References: <001601c47c12$9621f580$6a01a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:49 AM 8/11/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > Silk woven like linen is about as close to > > it as I could think of. > >That would probably look too much like silk noil. I still want something >slightly shiny. ><> >What would you suggest? Habotai is too flowy (and often too thin), and >shantung I've never handled personnally. Crepe isn't right, and satin is too >shiny. What should I look for? Hi, Do you have the book: All About Silk, a Fabric Dictionary & Swatchbook by Julie Parker? It's a great reference book on silk, because you can feel each type of silk that is commercially available. It also talks about what each fabric is good for what types of projects, how tight or loose a design you can use the fabric for, and all sorts of other info. I got my book at a discount at denverfabrics.com http://www.denverfabrics.com/pages/static/Silk/silk-fabrics-books.htm And linen woven silk is a catch all term for many different fabrics. The closest term the book has to silk linen is matka, which is rather homespun looking, but not like the real linens I have worked with. My current favorite is silk shantung, which is much less slubby than dupionni, and rather strong for its light weight (duh, it's silk). I also will be getting silk crepe (3-ply) or a silk twill for my high end Elizabethans (which is down the road of projects), because it has a slight sheen, but is strong enough for me to use at faires. Without getting swatches however it is hard to figure out what silk works best for what garment items. That's why I recommend getting the above book, because until I read it, I thought charmeuse was the best silk for my wants, and came to find out it won't handle the strain I need for a bodice, or fall in the right drape for the skirts. hth, Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 01:24:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D5O7RM024247 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D5NQ4d021945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D5NKsV087136; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D5NIsV087082 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040813052312015008u2bce>; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:23:12 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040812173013.0157e860@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: non-family tartans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a note for those that may not know, there are several plaid setts out on the market that are not the "registered" tartans. This is what you mostly find in fabric stores that anyone can use. On the other hand there is also a tartan sett that is for those of Irish heritage. The bulk of the tartan setts that are registered for clans are usually an ordered thing or handled by Scottish shops so if you find it in a fabric store your pretty safe that it won't be a registered sett. For those that don't know the term 'sett' refers to the specific pattern of colors woven in a repeating pattern that make up the plaid. A sett would be something like 200 strands and how many of what color and in what order they are woven to make up a specific plaid pattern. Bit of history I've seen referred to but not explained is that tartans were actually set up by 2 IRISH brothers that owned a woolen mill they got to the English King before their rivals did and got their collection of setts declared authentic by the crown before their competitors could. Molly Who was performing at the local Highland games 2 weeks ago and got inundated with too many questions on the subject. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 02:07:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D67XRM026941 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:07:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D66N4d024003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D65xsV006331; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (demon.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D65rsW006244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:05:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (localhost.comcen.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7D65g4U001170 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:05:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i7D65gkJ001169 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:05:42 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: demon.comcen.com.au: nobody set sender to karinne@spin.net.au using -f Received: from comcen.comcen.com.au (comcen.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.66]) by webmail.spin.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:05:42 +1000 Message-ID: <1092377142.411c5a360b727@webmail.spin.net.au> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:05:42 +1000 From: karinne@spin.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Website-Dutch women's clothes early 1500s References: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2740@incoming.sigenetics.com> In-Reply-To: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2740@incoming.sigenetics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 203.23.236.66 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi SUnny, The dresses I have made in the Leiden style (which is slightly different from the Flemish style) have been patterned on a standard 4 panel bodice construction. I also wondered whether there was any connection between the seams seen in Bruegel's wrok and some of the earlier Flemish artists, and so I did a survey of Lucas van Leyden's prints to determine whether the Leiden style was also made int his fashion. An amalgamation of the seamlines I found are on this page: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~ktay0998/seams.html This page is not finished yet, which is why you can't link from the main site. I have a few more images and text to go up, however you can at least get an idea of what I am talking about. This will eventually have patterns on it. The use of a waist seam is seen on most of van Leyden's figures, one of his earliest paintings, the fortuneteller shows this quite clearly: I agree with Michaela that there were different ways of patterning dresses in this period, as can be most easily seen in this section of a Flemish illumination from the early 16th century, however the style that I focus on is quite uniform. http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~ktay0998/pics/showillumin_seam.jpg AS for the use of canvas for a D cup, this is not something I have a lot of experience with but here's some thoughts: Women were still wearing the kirtles that are seen in the paintings of Rogier van der Weyden, which when cut correctly give support through the bust over which you can then pattern the rest of the dress. This is what I did for my Curtain dress. You could bone the bodice very lightly to give you some support but not to create a very rigid look. I have wondered whether a corded bodice as made by Jen Thompson may have been worn under the bodice. An image I have of Tudor style dresses being worn at the court of Charles V in Flanders shows the women with a curved front, not the straight front that we associate with Tudor bodices. Cheers, Karinne Quoting Sunny Buchler : > Wow! cool! This has been a period I've been fiddling with for years, since 10 > years ago, when I found a copy of _Golden Weavings: Flemish Tapestries of the > Spanish Crown_ (whose title I'm not 100% sure of -- and I'm at work so I > can't go look it up...). I haven't yet been happy with any of the mock-ups > I've done, so I haven't actually finished any outfits... I'd be interested in > seeing/hearing your theories on the seams -- is there a waist seam? how does > the armhole/side seam work (Jen Thompson discusses it for a slightly later > period here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/working.html ) > -- some of the tapestries show a very odd armhole-side seam combo. What about > bust support -- how do you feel the canvas holds up (being a DD cup, I'm very > interested in this issue :-) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 02:40:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D6eGRM006809 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D6UU4d025311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D6UOsV017647; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D6UIsV017574 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f03.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.3]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CDCA5EE020 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:30:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004701c480ff$01260060$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:30:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If "cartwheel ruff" (or "ruff" in general) was in fact used to refer to a > skirt frounce in period, I'd be interested to know. I think, as Lisa > posted, the term was only used as a reference to a neck item. > > --Robin I have only heard the word Frounce. Even some songs by Dowland mentions Her Frounce- her frounce............. Bjarne Lawn as white as driven snow.................. > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 04:56:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7D8ulRM022284 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:56:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D8uB4d002963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D8tXsV080877; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D8tTsV080838 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f03.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.3]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 69C2E47FE5B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c48113$51969000$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:55:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] flat silk thread for embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I asked several og my other lists if they new any sources for flat silk thread for chinese/japanese embroidery. Nobody came with any informations except 1 place in Canada. Could that really be possible that noone in Japan or in China has any online sale of it? Bjarne who wants to go to China soon! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 09:26:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DDQpRM025032 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DDQ34d015582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DDPtsV006510; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DDPqsV006460 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hbgd103@soton.ac.uk) Received: from yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.19]) by mta3.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DDPcX8015686 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:25:38 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21668 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:25:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: yew.sucs.soton.ac.uk: nobody set sender to hbgd103@soton.ac.uk using -f To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] flat silk thread for embroidery Message-ID: <1092403538.411cc1527be48@webmail.soton.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:25:38 +0100 (BST) From: Hilary Davidson References: <001601c48113$51969000$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001601c48113$51969000$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 152.78.184.50 X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You've probably tried these avenues Bjarne, but just in case, there are mentions of suppliers in the back of the Batsford book The Art Of Japanese Embroidery (I think? not at home so can't get the book and see). Otherwise an association of Japanese embroiderers would be able to tell you, or teh Royal School of Needlework - they have the techniques in their classes. I have a contact for repro silk brocades in China, so if this fails, she may know a supplier. It may take a while to get any info though! Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > I asked several og my other lists if they new any sources for flat > silk > thread for chinese/japanese embroidery. > Nobody came with any informations except 1 place in Canada. Could that > really be possible that noone in Japan or in China has any online sale > of > it? > Bjarne who wants to go to China soon! > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 10:21:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DELiRM025358 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DEKp4d019122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DEKnsV036867; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DEKlsV036779 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Widowweeds@cs.com) Received: from Widowweeds@cs.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1a0.2831b507 (15865) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tlininn (mattdrury.net [68.142.30.226]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v101.19) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9411cce331d4; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:20:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c48140$b2e5ef40$6401a8c0@tlininn> From: "Widow Weeds" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac1904081219413f79de0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:20:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-AOL-IP: 68.142.30.226 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted uniform)? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm trying to find someone who can make one of these uniforms for a friend. He's looking for the white "ballet skirt" look, just above knee-length, with the vest and cap. I welcome your suggestions. http://ourworld.cs.com/fustanella/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 12:37:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DGboRM025950 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:37:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DGax4d001306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DGansV033199; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DGalsV033166 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7DGSGE03302 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BveuH-0004iX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:27:53 -0700 Message-ID: <411CEC0D.1010202@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:27:57 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Effect of drycleaning on starch and sizing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know the technicalities of the effect of drycleaning on starch and sizing? Does it affect buckram? How's about starch applied to an interlining? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 14:23:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DIN6RM026448 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:23:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIM84d011993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIM4sV016991; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DILxsV016916 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1679D2AB0C for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:21:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p016.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.18]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AEAFD4B2 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:21:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] flat silk thread for embroidery Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1092403538.411cc1527be48@webmail.soton.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you looked at these site? http://www.needlenecessities.com/catalog/empress/empress.html http://www.threadneedlestreet.com/silkthrd.htm De Note of interest, came across these guys OS. http://freespace.virgin.net/humphries.weaving/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 14:25:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DIPDRM026461 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:25:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIOU4d012189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIOUsV018798; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:24:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DILxsV016926 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675792AB6B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:21:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p016.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.18]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78A9FD4B2 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:21:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Delightful Image and ''new to me'' database Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:22:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004701c480ff$01260060$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- > If "cartwheel ruff" (or "ruff" in general) was in fact used to refer to a > skirt frounce in period, I'd be interested to know. I think, as Lisa > posted, the term was only used as a reference to a neck item. > > --Robin I have only heard the word Frounce. Even some songs by Dowland mentions Her Frounce- her frounce............. Bjarne ~~~~~~~~~~~~ First time I have heard of frounce. I have heard of flounce. hmmm learn something everyday. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 14:36:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DIaLRM026526 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIZg4d013262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIZgsV026878; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f32.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIZOsV026619 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:35:18 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.89 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:35:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.89] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted uniform)? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:35:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 18:35:18.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[4838EF20:01C48164] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO here is a couple of ideas.. for the first couple of pictures Folkwear #152 Scottish Kilts http://www.folkwear.com/oldeurope.html for the i and for the white ballet thing Reconstructing History #304 Men's Leine and Shaffron Shirt http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/rh/rh304.jpg wilhelmina >From: "Widow Weeds" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted >uniform)? >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:20:33 -0400 > >I'm trying to find someone who can make one of these uniforms for a friend. >He's looking for the white "ballet skirt" look, just above knee-length, >with >the vest and cap. I welcome your suggestions. > >http://ourworld.cs.com/fustanella/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 14:36:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DIaNRM026529 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:36:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIZT4d013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIZQsV026702; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f7.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DIZOsV026617 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:35:18 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.89 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:35:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.89] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted uniform)? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:35:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 18:35:18.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[482EDD00:01C48164] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO here is a couple of ideas.. for the first couple of pictures Folkwear #152 Scottish Kilts http://www.folkwear.com/oldeurope.html for the i and for the white ballet thing Reconstructing History #304 Men's Leine and Shaffron Shirt http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/rh/rh304.jpg wilhelmina >From: "Widow Weeds" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted >uniform)? >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:20:33 -0400 > >I'm trying to find someone who can make one of these uniforms for a friend. >He's looking for the white "ballet skirt" look, just above knee-length, >with >the vest and cap. I welcome your suggestions. > >http://ourworld.cs.com/fustanella/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 15:14:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DJElRM026714 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:14:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DJDv4d016675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DJDrsV053612; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:13:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from boston.dnsrouter.com (boston.dnsrouter.com [69.50.214.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DJDnsW053572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from info@roguestailor.com) Received: from pool-70-17-60-8.pskn.east.verizon.net ([70.17.60.8] helo=preferre406gqb) by boston.dnsrouter.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BvhUq-00017O-Gn for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:13:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c48169$71fb2490$6401a8c0@preferre406gqb> From: "Kit" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.dnsrouter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roguestailor.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I need an experienced sewer (or two) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey guys, I am in a crunch to get some work done on inventory for an upcoming event and could use an extra hand. I am looking for a person, who is an experienced sewer (or sewers) of costume and garb in the South NJ area, I am in Clayton which is near Glassboro, who can work approximately 40 hours between the 16th and the 29th of this month. I will discuses monetary compensation when you contact me. Please e-mail me or call me at 856-863-9288 if your interested. Thanks! Kit Marian Brock-Andersen www.roguestailor.com PO BOX 404 Clayton NJ 08312 856-981-1169 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 17:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DLYpRM027264 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:34:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLXq4d001726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLXesV055710; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLXYsV055521 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f03.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.3]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 48BC847FE1B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001b01c4817d$2fc15130$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:33:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] skirt manipulations late 16th century france england X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have put this issue several times on h-costume but i never got any replyes of what is going on............... When you look at Bal at the Valois in France French court you se skirts manipulated in a very different way we know today. Was this a painters error or did he actually se what was going on? What i am referring to is the front points of the bodices and the pleats, gatherings of the skirt. Is this the painters wish to make the points of the ladies very pointed or is he telling the true story of how ladies pinched their bodices ..................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 17:48:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DLmWRM027308 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:48:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLll4d004126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLlisV065639; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLlesV065561 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f03.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.3]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 900CE5EE030 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004d01c4817f$28003b30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:47:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] flat silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a contact for repro silk brocades in China, so if this fails, she may know a supplier. It may take a while to get any info though! Repro silk brocade! Are you serious! Please let me know of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 17:50:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DLouRM027328 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:50:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLoH4d004500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLoEsV067388; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DLoCsV067360 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f03.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.3]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A137A5EE049 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:50:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005301c4817f$881d0750$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac1904081219413f79de0@mail.gmail.com> <001e01c48140$b2e5ef40$6401a8c0@tlininn> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted uniform)? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:50:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can send all of these to me, Scots kilts go home I want to serve all of these greece men Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Widow Weeds" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pattern for or maker of fustanella (Greek skirted uniform)? > I'm trying to find someone who can make one of these uniforms for a friend. > He's looking for the white "ballet skirt" look, just above knee-length, with > the vest and cap. I welcome your suggestions. > > http://ourworld.cs.com/fustanella/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 18:34:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DMYJRM027492 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DMXe4d010810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:33:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DMXbsV097346; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DMXXsV097272 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f03.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.3]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 879D326280E for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:33:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:33:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO New topic I love flowers, I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. So here is my question for you Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull I love the peony flower, but also it is a little vulgar, Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Bjarne Has it anything with sexuality Then i know what it is Bjarne who failed in being gay Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 19:11:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DNBWRM027598 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:11:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNAt4d013934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNAnsV019637; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNAOsV019458 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7DNjA5c013413 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:45:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7DNjAje013412 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:45:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408132345.i7DNjAje013412@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] skirt manipulations late 16th century france england In-Reply-To: <001b01c4817d$2fc15130$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I have put this issue several times on h-costume but i never got any replyes > of what is going on............... > When you look at Bal at the Valois in France French court you se skirts > manipulated in a very different way we know today. > Was this a painters error or did he actually se what was going on? > What i am referring to is the front points of the bodices and the pleats, > gatherings of the skirt. > Is this the painters wish to make the points of the ladies very pointed or > is he telling the true story of how ladies pinched their bodices > ..................... I'm having trouble visualising -- it's been a **long** day. do you have a painting in mind that illustrated what you're saying? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 19:15:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DNFFRM027604 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:15:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNEg4d014233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNEesV021698; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNEFsV021488 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7DNn15c013476 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7DNn1mZ013475 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408132349.i7DNn1mZ013475@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I love flowers, > I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. > So here is my question for you > > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull Well -- I'd have to say Trillium first off (They're kin to your einberre -- Paris [i hope I spelled that correctly]) -- but I have a special fondness for Lady Slipper Orchids. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 19:17:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DNHeRM027618 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:17:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNH44d014423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNH3sV022898; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNH0sV022799 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:17:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([66.161.252.129]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.03 201-2131-111-105-20040624) with ESMTP id <20040813231654.PUBG6534.smtp1.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:16:54 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.161.252.129]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20040813231649.MOSX9892.gx4.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040813190620.00adc100@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:09:09 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull >I love the peony flower, >but also it is a little vulgar, >Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 >Bjarne My personal favorite is the Lily of the Valley. Tiny unassuming flower that has a lovely, heady fragrance that will knock your socks off. Plus, it is the only flower that would bloom on my birthday in Northern Indiana no matter how cold it was. Jennifer If you are squeamish, don't prod the beach rubble. Sappho _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 19:27:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DNRORM027672 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:27:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNQj4d015338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNQesV027836; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:26:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNQcsV027814 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2E000ONRMN2O@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:23:42 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-reply-to: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <411D4D7E.5080308@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not sleeping or waatching the oylmpics (I refuse to watch them) but my fav flower(at the moment) is the Black-eyed Susan. They are great, then I like the mums also. Though if you think about it, those two are really great in mass, but inivually, they are a bit common.... but i think i still have yo go with them---or snowdrops. Jordana Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > New topic > I love flowers, > I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. > So here is my question for you > > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull > I love the peony flower, > but also it is a little vulgar, > Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > Bjarne > Has it anything with sexuality > Then i know what it is > Bjarne who failed in being gay > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 19:56:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DNuZRM027774 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNtq4d017416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNtisV041825; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNtgsV041742 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA70425D7 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <411D5508.7040103@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:55:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nope, been sewing like mad this week... and the circuit that the TV is plugged into blew on Monday, so I couldn't if I wanted to. > > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull > I love the peony flower, > but also it is a little vulgar, Why do you think peonies are vulgar? I think the plants are very pretty in the early summer. But for scent and color I like tulips. Unfortunately my embroidery is so bad none of these will ever appear on costumes.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 20:00:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E00NRM027793 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:00:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNxm4d017641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNxmsV043590; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DNxksV043533 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:59:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.be.13c6bca3 (4426) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:59:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We are getting ready for our big War of 1812 reenactment tomorrow, and wondering what the weather will be (hurricanes from Florida find their way up the east coast to Maryland--at least some of the wind and rain). But I love gardenias--absolutely adore the scent. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 20:07:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E07SRM027812 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E06q4d018100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E06nsV046785; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E06lsV046766 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bvm4M-0001Ql-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:06:46 -0700 Message-ID: <411D579A.4020604@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:06:50 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >New topic >I love flowers, >I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. >So here is my question for you > > > My favorites, not necessarily in any order: Iris, Lily of the Valley and Peonies-(why are they vulgur? The only thing I don't like about them are the ants!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 20:17:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E0HwRM027826 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E0HM4d018690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E0HKsV051200; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7E0HHsV051109 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCq8rVx9PuHm2bpcjpMJ+Ov5QlbahDp9Kkg== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J4XZH8PQ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:16:55 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:11:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Message-ID: <20040813.191155.-326061.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,9-12 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favortie kind of flower is antique roses. Not the modern hybrid teas that are the most common, but the old roses that have been around for hundreds of years- when they bloom you can almost drink the scent! Each of the antique roses has it's own unique scent so you can recognize each rose individually.....and the colors are incredible, everything from pure white thru red-purples so dark they look black. But they only bloom in the Spring so you have to enjoy them while you can. Peonies are very nice too, there aren't too many flowers I don't like...... Karen ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 20:48:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E0mMRM027927 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:48:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E0le4d020167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E0lXsV063571; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E0lRsV063491 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m195.in-tch.com [216.166.191.195]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7E0kvK18520 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <411D6210.9090903@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:51:28 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm neither sleeping nor watching the Olympics. I'm 8? 9? hours or so behind you dear, time-zone wise, so I've just recently got home from work, which was blessedly air-conditioned. My apartment is *not*! And it's 100 degrees! (that's farenheit. dunno about celsius equivalent) Too hot to do much of anything clothing or fiber related. *sigh* Tulips have got to be among the most colorful of flowers, but I like pansies and johnny-jump-ups, too. I love the cheerfulness of marigolds and calendula. And I always look forward to the first, spring flowers. Beautiful? I dunno...I mostly actually go for flower *smells* rather than appearance. I'm especially fond of fragrant, old-fashioned roses & lavender. --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > New topic > I love flowers, > I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. > So here is my question for you > > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull > I love the peony flower, > but also it is a little vulgar, > Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 13 23:20:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E3KERM028465 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E3JR4d028210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E3JNsV022614; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E3JKsW022598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7BB1CDCE9 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 12425-02 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4BA21CDD2B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05b501c481ad$597f5960$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <411D579A.4020604@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:18:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > >New topic > >I love flowers, > >I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. > >So here is my question for you Lilacs, hyacinths, daisies, Queen Anne's Lace, and pansies. Note that roses are not on the list. Wanna guess what grows like MAD in my yard? One climbing rose bush that was here when I moved. I have never watered it, fed or fertilized it, and the trellis broke under a heavy snowfall a couple of years ago. (Can't get behind it to replace the trellis.) The thing has gone absolutely bonkers. That and these honkin' big moonflowers are taking over my yard. I cut the moonflowers back three times this year, dug up taproots as long as my arm, hoping to plant something else there, and they not only didn't go away, they tripled in size!! Anything I plant deliberately , OTOH, dies a quick death... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 00:32:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E4WNRM028668 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E4TI4d001951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E4TCsV049127; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E4TAsW049090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from Jupiter.plumbnet (d14-69-189-68.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.68.189]) by pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7E4T2tJ015365 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:29:02 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:30:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <411D579A.4020604@earthlink.net> <05b501c481ad$597f5960$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> In-Reply-To: <05b501c481ad$597f5960$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408140030.26039.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love those HUGE mums you see in movies from the 1930s-40s. Don't know what they're called, or if they're still being grown. If so, I'd have a gardenful! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 00:50:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E4ojRM028713 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E4o34d003059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E4o1sV057145; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E4nxsV057103 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A86533F00022; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:43:17 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A80C173023C; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c481b9$eae8e180$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040813190620.00adc100@pop.fuse.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:48:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jennifer, You can come to my house and celebrate your birthday. I have lily of the valley in several flower beds. I have loved them since childhood. They smell like heaven to me. I have so many favorite flowers... my favorites are in categories, same with costume time periods, my kids, friends, siblings... When I decided to go back to college, it was a hard choice to make between fashion or landscaping. I have been doing a lot of landscaping this summer in my yard. I have visited a lot of biotical gardens and taken photos of flowers. When in college, we used National Geographic magazines to look at flowers photos for inspiration for fantasy costumes. I have thought about making a section on my website with my flower photos and just call the section, Inspiration. My all time favorite flowers are roses and zinnias. Roses remind me of my mother, who grew them so well. Zinnias were the first flowers that I grew on my own and then used them in my wedding reception. I kinda went crazy planting butterfly bushes this year. I love their fragrance. I love cannas and sunflowers for their height and they seem kinda stately to me. Reminds me of my tall brothers. One of my cannas is seven ft. tall, like my youngest brother. A new love this year is bleeding hearts. They are so dramatic. I am so crazy about flowers and plants, the ones in my yard have names. We have an elephant ear plant near our fish pond, that I named Macbeth... looks like someone threw bright red blood on its pale green leaves. I have a camellia that I call Papa, after my husband's father. He loved to grow camellias. Impatients remind me of my kids... they wait all summer for the impatients to go to seed so they can spring-pop the seed pods. My kids call impatients, poppers. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 01:03:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E53NRM028733 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:03:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E52Q4d003631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E52OsV061551; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E52MsV061526 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB4B306A00CC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:55:39 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAF3A30284; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: <007201c481bb$a53b4950$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:00:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. 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We pulled our lawn chairs under the canopy then watched the rest of the play and prayed lighting didn't hit us. BTW, Bjarne, we taped the opening to the Olympics. We'll watch them this weekend. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? > We are getting ready for our big War of 1812 reenactment tomorrow, and > wondering what the weather will be (hurricanes from Florida find their way up the > east coast to Maryland--at least some of the wind and rain). > > But I love gardenias--absolutely adore the scent. > > Ann Wass [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 01:11:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E5BiRM028777 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E5B44d004075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E5B3sV064645; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E5B1sV064634 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD54308A00CC; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:04:20 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACFC29A01EE; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: <007d01c481bc$dc3f30a0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><411D579A.4020604@earthlink.net> <05b501c481ad$597f5960$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? 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X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dianne, I love Queen Ann's Lace too. The first time I had seen them was in the Blue Ridge Mountains. If you turn it upside down they look like a ballerina's dress or a 1950s bouffant gown. I had to have them in my flower beds. We dug them up wild ones but they died. I searched on the web for them... looked for seeds, no luck. We got one little plant in the herb section of the nursery a couple of years ago. Now, I have a bed full of them. Ballerinas dancing in the wind! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 01:16:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E5G3RM028812 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:16:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E5FO4d004345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E5FOsV066089; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E5FLsV066043 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE5430A000CC; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:08:36 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADFC1A9023C; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <008201c481bd$74aad010$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><411D579A.4020604@earthlink.net><05b501c481ad$597f5960$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <200408140030.26039.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:13:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michelle, Are you talking about the fat blooms or the tall mums? A trick to getting mums to grow tall and full is to pinch back the buds from spring through summer , until Aug. 15. After that let them start budding. They will grow really tall and full. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Plumb" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? > I love those HUGE mums you see in movies from the 1930s-40s. > Don't know what they're called, or if they're still being grown. > If so, I'd have a gardenful! > Michelle [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 03:00:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E700RM007171 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:00:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E6wx4d008599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E6wssV003985; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E6wmsV003892 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:58:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 88928 invoked by uid 16115); 14 Aug 2004 06:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([67.161.79.174]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Aug 2004 06:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:56:37 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any other Olympics junkies on this list?? Beautiful Opening Ceremony!! Costume Content: loved the Brazilians in their vibrant green jackets and fabuloso, technicolor print skirts/ties Kazahkstan and Tajikstan had eye-popping embroidery on their tunics. Wonderful textiles on the Island nations'and African athletes. Jeez, sometimes television is darned wonderful. Theresa Eacker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 04:27:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E8RcRM002355 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:27:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E8Qw4d012588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E8QosV032221; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E8QmsV032210 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:26:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BvtsF-0001Ek-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:26:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008201c481bd$74aad010$0200a8c0@MOM> References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><411D579A.4020604@earthlink .net><05b501c481ad$597f5960$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <200408140030.26039.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> <008201c481bd$74aad010$0200a8c0@MOM> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:27:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I confess that I'm watching the Olympics ... and then I'm going right to sleep. But for my favorite flowers, it's definitely fragrant old roses. I have a principle that, with only a few exceptions, I will only plant rose varieties that are at least 100 years old ... and they must have a strong fragrance. When my roses are blooming (which -- if I remember to water regularly -- can be ten months of the year) I always try to wear one in my hat so I can enjoy them wherever I go. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 04:44:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E8hxRM009573 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:43:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E8hK4d013216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E8hIsV037336; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E8hHsV037325 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B9F2C016 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:43:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p002.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.4]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7526C425 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:43:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:43:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- New topic I love flowers, I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. So here is my question for you Which flower do you consider the most colourful and the most beautiful I love the peony flower, but also it is a little vulgar, Still.... I love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Bjarne ~~~~~~~ Watched the athletes parade in. Dandelion, Iris, Carnation, Milkweed, Daylily, Amaryllis and Rose of Sharon are the top of the list but I like most flowers. But the most colourful would be Iris. Most beautiful, a tie between the iris and the Amaryllis. The peony would not bloom if it wasn't for the ants. Peonies, Spireas and Yuccas attract ants. This is why it is recommended not to plant these plants next to the house. Peony is on the second list of flowers I like. I have one white, two light pink, and one maroon. The blood red one died this spring of root rot before I could transplant it. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 05:12:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7E9CLRM015708 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E9Bd4d014497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E9BbsV046708; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7E9BYsV046694 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 54770 invoked by uid 16115); 14 Aug 2004 09:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([67.161.79.174]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Aug 2004 09:11:34 -0000 Message-ID: <411DD6CE.3060605@misc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:09:34 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any flower that attracts and feeds hummingbirds and butterflies is a beautiful one. Most colorful I can think of is either Dance Hall Dolly or Competitive Edge; both are bearded irises and both are gaudy as all get out!! And, oh yes, definitely watching the Olympic Games. The March of Nations is wonderful to see, especially when there are national costumes worn. Theresa Eacker Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull > I love the peony flower, > but also it is a little vulgar, > Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 09:36:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EDaKRM031724 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:36:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EDZa4d024971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EDZRsV041356; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EDZOsV041325 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bvygt-0003rQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 06:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: <411E1522.9030604@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 06:35:30 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! References: <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> In-Reply-To: <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Theresa Eacker wrote: > Any other Olympics junkies on this list?? > > Beautiful Opening Ceremony!! > Yes, Yes! And I LOVED the opening event costumes as well. I loved all the half statue half real human characters. I want to know how they did some of that stuff! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 11:13:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EFDPRM000906 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:13:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EFCj4d029594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EFCfsV078654; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EFCcsV078630 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7EFld5c021502 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:47:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7EFld6t021501 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408141547.i7EFld6t021501@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Attn: Jerusha re: Princely Attire in Italy In-Reply-To: <7d21ac1904081219413f79de0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Saw you mention this book in a post, and I can find nothing on it. Do > you have an author, publication date, ISBN - ? Remind me on MOnday -- it's at school (so I can scan the Pregnant Queen). It was the Exhibit catalog for the exhibit. I went to this URL http://www.gc.cuny.edu/spotlight/spotlight_princely.htm and emailed the contact Person and asked if it was possible to get a copy and they mailed me one. In case I forget, remind me on Monday! Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 11:18:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EFIXRM000932 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:18:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EFHx4d029870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EFHwsV080783; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:17:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EFHrsV080751 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7EFqs5c021581 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7EFqsmV021580 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408141552.i7EFqsmV021580@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <007d01c481bc$dc3f30a0$0200a8c0@MOM> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Dianne, > > I love Queen Ann's Lace too. The first time I had seen them was in the Blue > Ridge Mountains. If you turn it upside down they look like a ballerina's > dress or a 1950s bouffant gown. I had to have them in my flower beds. We > dug them up wild ones but they died. I searched on the web for them... > looked for seeds, no luck. We got one little plant in the herb section of > the nursery a couple of years ago. Now, I have a bed full of them. > Ballerinas dancing in the wind! If you'll dig up one of the tap roots and smell of it, you should be able to discern what common vegetable the Queen Anne's Lace was domesticated into ..... Jerusha the botanist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 12:47:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EGlvRM002074 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:47:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EGlD4d004358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EGl5sV019305; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EGl2sV019277 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0488.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.234]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bw1gK-0007Te-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:47:01 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:47:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I watched the opening ceremonies--I love the rich variety of faces all so happy and hopeful. I thank every delegation that chose to wear native costume--wouldn't it be a real parade if EVERYBODY did?--so beautiful. I did think the Grecian-urn style of the sign-bearers' skirts was a bizarre choice, though. I love the small delegations the most--usually REALLY there just to compete as fellow citizens of the world and to make a "We're Here!" mark for their countries. The commentators on NBC were extremely irritating, particularly during Bjork's song. They were obsessed at first with how "frumpy" her skirt looked and how frumpy her taste is, then noted that the skirt would unfurl to cover the athletes and the whole center of the stadium (so how is "frumpy" even relevant??), then chatted about that and the helpful athletes--and evidently anything else that came to mind--while she sang. The camera showed the athletes under the "skirt" helping to move it along rather than showing how it unfurled, which I would rather have seen. And I actually wanted to HEAR her, but hey, how could that experience compete with the fascination of CHAT? And then I wanted to see how they cleared the skirt at the end of the song, but we had commercials (god, there were a lot of them!!!) instead. I adore watching the competition and plan to watch events whenever I can justify sitting in front of the tv, and HOPE the coverage will include even those events where Americans aren't expected to win medals....For a country of immigrants and cosmopolitans, our media can be awfully provincial. I also hope (probably in vain) that the commentators will control the urge to do those "up close and personal" features that make you hope somebody wins because he's had such a hard life or loves his dog so much. Flowers? In no particular order: Lily of the valley. Rose of Sharon. Violet. Bleeding heart. Lilac. Forget-me-not. Snowdrop. Crocus. Mock orange. Cranebill geranium. Day lily. Crown vetch (horrible name, lovely flower, developed at Penn State University for erosion control on highway berms, if I recall correctly). Loosestrife (I believe against the rules to plant in Connecticut because of its aggressive spreading). Daffodils. Iris. Rose. Spathephyllum. Pansy. Nasturtium. Peony. Tree peony. Bell flower. Forsythia. And on and on. The house I bought last year has a garden planted by a real botanical artist, and my list of loved flowers grows longer with every new bloom. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer. on 8/14/04 2:56 AM, Theresa Eacker at theresa@misc.com wrote: > Any other Olympics junkies on this list?? > > Beautiful Opening Ceremony!! > > Costume Content: loved the Brazilians in their vibrant green jackets > and fabuloso, technicolor print skirts/ties > > Kazahkstan and Tajikstan had eye-popping embroidery on their tunics. > > Wonderful textiles on the Island nations'and African athletes. > > Jeez, sometimes television is darned wonderful. > > Theresa Eacker > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 14:57:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EIvHRM003288 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EIuW4d011674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EIuTsV075079; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EIuRsV075066 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bw3ha-0002VX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:56:26 -0700 Message-ID: <411E6061.4030604@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:56:33 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pointy French and English gowns. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My notes seem to be being blocked...so here it is again, and a link to the picture: http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=1082 Sg Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Or gowns like those in the painting in the Louvre by the School of > Clouet celebrating the marriage of the Duc de Joyeuse and Marguerite > de Vaudemont? Still can't find a copy on line...boogers. > > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > >> Are you refering to the dance/ball of the Duke de Alencon? I can't >> find the painting now...who is it by? >> >> Sg >> >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>> I have put this issue several times on h-costume but i never got any >>> replyes >>> of what is going on............... >>> When you look at Bal at the Valois in France French court you se skirts >>> manipulated in a very different way we know today. >>> Was this a painters error or did he actually se what was going on? >>> What i am referring to is the front points of the bodices and the >>> pleats, >>> gatherings of the skirt. >>> Is this the painters wish to make the points of the ladies very >>> pointed or >>> is he telling the true story of how ladies pinched their bodices >>> ..................... >>> >>> Bjarne >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 16:02:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EK2oRM004515 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:02:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EK234d015329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EK1rsV002931; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EK1psV002904 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8702ACC0 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:01:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p475.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.217.221]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E680D4C0 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:01:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Olympics !!OT (maybe rant) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:01:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought I was the only one who thought the commentators were annoying (and at times lame) some of the comments. Like saying in so many words that because a small country hasn't won a medal in all these years that they probably won't win any this year. Perhaps he is saying what most are thinking but that is a comment that does not need to be said. And though he didn't mean it to sound so, it came across as "why bother competing". Argh! Maybe it the news people would survey Americans and not just their little nitch of the USA. Ask what people want to see. I doubt we will see whole competitions. It will probably be a condensed version or if an American isn't in the running, probably not at all. De -----Original Message----- (snip) The commentators on NBC were extremely irritating, particularly during Bjork's song. They were obsessed at first with how "frumpy" her skirt looked and how frumpy her taste is, then noted that the skirt would unfurl to cover the athletes and the whole center of the stadium (so how is "frumpy" even relevant??), then chatted about that and the helpful athletes--and evidently anything else that came to mind--while she sang. The camera showed the athletes under the "skirt" helping to move it along rather than showing how it unfurled, which I would rather have seen. And I actually wanted to HEAR her, but hey, how could that experience compete with the fascination of CHAT? And then I wanted to see how they cleared the skirt at the end of the song, but we had commercials (god, there were a lot of them!!!) instead. I adore watching the competition and plan to watch events whenever I can justify sitting in front of the tv, and HOPE the coverage will include even those events where Americans aren't expected to win medals....For a country of immigrants and cosmopolitans, our media can be awfully provincial. I also hope (probably in vain) that the commentators will control the urge to do those "up close and personal" features that make you hope somebody wins because he's had such a hard life or loves his dog so much. (snip) --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 16:23:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EKNARM004929 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKMY4d016863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKMVsV011900; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKMTsV011854 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from Penelope (unknown[67.176.125.129](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040814202224011004ltd6e>; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:22:24 +0000 From: "Melanie" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:22:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I missed it. (With a 3-year-old, Nemo takes precedence over the Olympics!) My husband saw it, and said that the Byzantines looked like they'd stepped out of a mosaic. I'd love to see it; any idea if it's to be re-broadcast or web-available. I know it's not going to be on VOD. :-( Eirene > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Theresa Eacker > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:57 AM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! > > > Any other Olympics junkies on this list?? > > Beautiful Opening Ceremony!! > > Costume Content: loved the Brazilians in their vibrant green jackets > and fabuloso, technicolor print skirts/ties > > Kazahkstan and Tajikstan had eye-popping embroidery on their tunics. > > Wonderful textiles on the Island nations'and African athletes. > > Jeez, sometimes television is darned wonderful. > > Theresa Eacker > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 16:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EKRpRM005032 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:27:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKRD4d017073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKRCsV014195; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKRBsV014157 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from Jupiter.plumbnet (d14-69-189-68.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.68.189]) by pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7EKQcF22412 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:26:38 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:28:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408141628.30865.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I loved was the living Porch of the Maidens from the Erechtheum. How did they DO that? Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 16:32:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EKWBRM005080 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:32:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKVa4d017466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKVZsV016223; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKVYsW016170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from Jupiter.plumbnet (d14-69-189-68.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.68.189]) by pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7EKZSwT002695 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:35:28 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:32:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408141632.53567.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.68, clamav-milter version 0.67a X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Penny. I was talking about the humongous flowers. I've only seen them in old black & white movies from the 1930s and 40s. I can't tell how tall the stems are, because they are usually put in very tall vases. But the blooms are enormous! Thanks, Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 16:46:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EKkARM005173 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:46:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKjY4d018487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKjVsV022722; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKjSsV022647 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([216.196.142.206]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.03 201-2131-111-105-20040624) with ESMTP id <20040814204522.WRBS19154.smtp3.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:45:22 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([216.196.142.206]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20040814204512.OLTC15030.gx6.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:45:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040814163224.00b08720@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:37:37 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! In-Reply-To: <411E1522.9030604@earthlink.net> References: <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> <411DB7A5.1080304@misc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Theresa Eacker wrote: > >>Any other Olympics junkies on this list?? >> >>Beautiful Opening Ceremony!! >Yes, Yes! And I LOVED the opening event costumes as well. I loved all >the half statue half real human characters. I want to know how they did >some of that stuff! I loved the opening ceremony, wonderful symbolism and dramatic acting, but I hated the inane chatter by the morning show hosts. Why do they feel that we need to hear them over everything that is going on? I loved when the newscaster (was it Tom Brokaw?) narrated the Nagano Olympic ceremony. He let the ceremony mostly speak for itself. Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 16:51:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EKpJRM005225 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:51:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKol4d018817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKoisV024900; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EKogsV024880 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragrace@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bw5U9-0006OH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:50:41 -0700 Message-ID: <411E7B26.5020106@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:50:46 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Pointy French and English gowns.] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And another from the same event: http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=5672 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 18:03:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EM35RM005627 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:03:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EM2Q4d024054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EM2NsV054292; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EM2LsV054251 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bw6bQ-000J6c-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:02:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:00:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: non-family tartans [was: Re: [h-cost] That kilt photo?] References: <200408071323.07703.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000201c47f0f$b3faeda0$3100bc3f@susyhp> <200408102153.56124.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002e01c47fa6$ecae6f90$9501bc3f@susyhp> <411BBD36.8060400@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <411BBD36.8060400@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can't see much of the back of the kilts in this photo, but possibly what he meant was a military kilt, rather than a military tartan. (It would be bad form to wear any official regimental tartan, but this one doesn't look like any I recognise.) An ordinary kilt has the pleats organised so that it shows the whole sett across the back, the same pattern across the pleats as if the fabric was flat. A military kilt has it arranged so that every pleat has a stripe down it. People in Scotland are usually not that precious about family tartans, and there are lots of tartans that belong to towns or organisations or were designed for special anniversaries, that anyone can wear. If you don't have a family tartan, just find one you like and wear that. Jean Claudine wrote >Hi Susy, > >My brother is in an Irish (not Scottish) pipe band, the only one in >their competition circuit (I think). Their old uniform was a >blueish-grey kilt (no plaid), but now they wear a military tartan (at >least, that's what he told me...I don't know anything at all about >tartans). Here's a photo from their website: > >http://www.ihpb.org/pictures/pleasanton03/DCP_25483f8238e49_jpg.html > > > >Claudine > >Susy wrote: > >> It was all very odd, I had just decided to make a kilt of a similar nature >> for my husband who's family is Italian/Polish and therefore does not have a >> family tartan, then presto, I find a company doing the exact same thing. >> The idea of a kilt for an american who wants to wear one, but doesn't want >> to wear another families tartan, kept running around in my head. I really >> wanted to get my husband into one at least for like to the many celtic >> festivals we attend. I thought I could get my husband into khaki or black, >> then it was like someone was reading my mind... >> I still intend to make my own. Maybe it'll be an Italikilt. >> hehe that's just not right is it? >> Though the early form of the kilt actually was adopted by the celts after >> their contact with the romans. They actually wore pants before that! Oh, >> how times do change. >> Susy/Scathac >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 18:12:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EMCRRM005675 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:12:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EMBr4d024696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EMBqsV058080; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EMBlsV058052 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bw6kd-000JzY-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:11:43 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Habit book, part 2 References: <2010033.1092327256149.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <2010033.1092327256149.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Talking about how habits have changed from when they were founded, I had a weird experience the other day. During the Edinburgh Festival there are always theatre groups going about in costume trying to attract people to come to their show. I saw this group of women in habits and thought, oh, here's the first lot doing The Sound of Music, or Nunsense, or something like that. And then I looked again, and decided no, these are actually real nuns. (You have to remember Scotland is traditionally a protestant country, you do not normally see groups of five or six nuns going about the place!) I'm still trying to work out what it was that made me twig - I think it was the fact that they were all wearing the black stockings and sensible shoes, and then something about the way they moved, that they were completely comfortable in long skirts and wimples. But it was very strange. Jean Chris Laning wrote >LLWatts@aol.com wrote: > >>I was going through the latest mailing from the History Book Club yesterday, >>and ran across this: >> >>"The Habit: A History Of The Clothing Of Catholic Nuns >>by Elizabeth Kuhns >> >>Surveys the history and symbolic significance of the starched wimples, dark >>dresses, and flowing veils that have defined the Catholic consecrated >>woman for >>almost 2000 years." >> >>Anyone know about this one? Is it any good? > >"Not very" would be my answer, though I expect it depends on what kind >of knowledge you bring to the book. If you don't know anything more >than "nuns wear funny clothes," it's probably a good introduction. > >However it's written by a journalist, so it shares the virtues and >faults that books written by journalists tend to share -- good >storytelling, but not much depth of background in the specialized >subject areas that would illuminate what she's finding in the present >(or near past). > >In this case, you can't _really_ understand where monastic clothing >comes from if you don't know much about clothing history. For instance, >some nuns' traditional habits are derived from the clothing worn by >widows at the time they were founded. Others have roots in 19th-century >peasant clothing from their founding area. It's pretty easy to find >these two statements in the popular literature -- and Kuhns dutifully >repeats them. But the hows and whys, which would be of immense interest >to readers of this list (at least) are completely missing, because the >author didn't have the historical background to research them herself. > >She also doesn't address (IIRC) the common fallacy that nuns' habits >haven't changed from whatever they were when the group was founded. Of >course this is true in some cases, but for the most part, communities >have been more concerned about practicality and the "spirit" of their >founders than about exact adherence to history. (They're not >professional costumers, after all! ) > >For instance, the Poor Clares I'm familiar with (founded in the 13th >century) used to wear as separate pieces a cap, a draped wimple, and >two black veils, one over the other. The cap and wimple are now >combined into a close-fitting white hood- or helmet-like thing with an >opening for the face, and they now wear only one veil. > >I'm sure a lot of us would also be interested in how a community has >gone about adapting to modern materials and ideas (other than those who >have simply adopted a version of modern dress). I've read of one >community, for instance, that had to change their seaming method >radically because the firm, well-fulled wool cloth used traditionally >was no longer available. Fulled wool takes well to a "butted" seam, >with the two edges placed together and held by fine running stitches, >worked closely, back and forth across the join, making a seam that's >almost invisible. With today's more loosely woven wools, this isn't >practical, so modern types of machine-made seams are now used, with the >raw edges hidden or finished. > >So basically, this is not a costumers' book, since it's missing a lot >of the information that would allow us to see monastic clothing in >relation to its historical context. Of course, the author didn't set >out to write a costumers' book, she set out to write a popular >overview, and that's what this is. As such, it's not bad; but to >someone researching historical clothing it's not going to tell you a >lot you don't already know. > >My recommendation: buy it heavily discounted or remaindered, from >somewhere like Scholars' Bookshelf or Edward Hamilton (if and when they >carry it). If monastic clothing is one of your special interests, you >should have it on your shelf, and if you're just starting out, it's a >fairly good introduction to the subject. > >____________________________________________________________ >0 Chris Laning >| >+ Davis, California >____________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 19:07:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7EN7pRM005874 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EN754d027952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EN6tsV081209; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7EN6rsV081172 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A97838400022; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:00:08 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A920EE0230; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c48253$26b35580$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408141552.i7EFqsmV021580@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:05:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jerusha, I don't want to dig up my Queen Anne's Lace. So what vegetable is it kin too? Another question, I know the Native Americans used it for a medicine. Do you know what it was for. I forgot. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 19:10:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7ENAcRM005889 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:10:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENA44d028188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENA3sV082498; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENA0sV082418 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA33172E00D0; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:03:15 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9DAEF0230; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:01:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c48253$959a4b70$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:08:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really loved the Ancient Greek costumes in the opening ceremonies... the ladies with the grayish looking makeup. Such a wonderful illusion!! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 19:13:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7END9RM005905 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:13:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENCV4d028461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENCUsV083507; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENCQsV083455 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAC633E500CC; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:05:42 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA6D940268; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c48253$ed0daf50$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408141632.53567.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:10:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. 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Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 19:14:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7ENEmRM005918 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:14:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENEG4d028543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENEGsV084181; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7ENEDsV084112 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCubnCT96I/6rsbYLkWDHYBRY5Jjno3ajMA== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J42GBT9V; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:14:03 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:00:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Message-ID: <20040814.180027.-116336893.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-8,10-32 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I might be having a blonde moment. but I was under the impression that Queen Anne's Lace was a European import run wild in the States and that it is the ancestral form of the humble carrot......but I am willing to be corrected by those more knowledgable than myself. Karen On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:05:11 -0400 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > Jerusha, > > I don't want to dig up my Queen Anne's Lace. So what vegetable is > it kin > too? Another question, I know the Native Americans used it for a > medicine. > Do you know what it was for. I forgot. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 19:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7ENXiRM005974 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENX74d029726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENX6sV091887; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENX3sV091872 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:33:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bw81H-0006Kx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:33:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:20:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 2:22 PM -0600 8/14/04, Melanie wrote: >I missed it. (With a 3-year-old, Nemo takes precedence over the Olympics!) >My husband saw it, and said that the Byzantines looked like they'd stepped >out of a mosaic. I'd love to see it; any idea if it's to be re-broadcast or >web-available. I know it's not going to be on VOD. :-( Yes, I loved the "capsule history" of Greek art. And the whole "living sculpture" effect. There were a few parts that wouldn't have worked for me in isolation, but I was willing to give myself over to the whole and just go with it. (I confess that -- although I'm normally very anti-sentimental -- I'll cheerfully sniffle over well-orchestrated moments of emotional drama in pageants like this. It's the emotional equivalent of deciding to eat an entire chocolate cheesecake in one setting.) Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 19:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7ENeBRM005988 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENda4d000411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:39:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENdZsV094761; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ENdWsV094671 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.15d.3c823eba (4262) for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:39:20 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.3c823eba.2e4ffca8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:39:20 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5001 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 650) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I might be having a blonde moment. but I was under the impression that Queen Anne's Lace was a European import run wild in the States and that it is the ancestral form of the humble carrot...... You're not having a blonde moment, Karen ... Queen Anne's Lace is formally known as Daucus Carota, a widely-known "weed"/herb all over Europe and over to at least India where, apparently, it's well-known use as a contraceptive/abortifacient, in the form of a dose of seeds, is still common. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 20:29:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F0TaRM006156 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F0Sq4d003440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F0SgsV015508; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F0SesV015479 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.197] (p37.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.197]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7F0Rhb02389 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:27:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85FBBFD8-EE52-11D8-89B6-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:32:00 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm only sorry they had to cover up body parts that were bare in the real artwork, like the busts of the female Minoans. Sylvia On Aug 14, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 2:22 PM -0600 8/14/04, Melanie wrote: >> I missed it. (With a 3-year-old, Nemo takes precedence over the >> Olympics!) >> My husband saw it, and said that the Byzantines looked like they'd >> stepped >> out of a mosaic. I'd love to see it; any idea if it's to be >> re-broadcast or >> web-available. I know it's not going to be on VOD. :-( > > Yes, I loved the "capsule history" of Greek art. And the whole > "living sculpture" effect. There were a few parts that wouldn't have > worked for me in isolation, but I was willing to give myself over to > the whole and just go with it. (I confess that -- although I'm > normally very anti-sentimental -- I'll cheerfully sniffle over > well-orchestrated moments of emotional drama in pageants like this. > It's the emotional equivalent of deciding to eat an entire chocolate > cheesecake in one setting.) > > Heather > -- > **** > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > **** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 21:44:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F1ifRM006386 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:44:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F1i54d008668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F1hgsV046095; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F1hVsV046053 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7F2IZ5c025533 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:18:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7F2IZs6025532 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408150218.i7F2IZs6025532@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <002001c48253$26b35580$0200a8c0@MOM> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Jerusha, > > I don't want to dig up my Queen Anne's Lace. So what vegetable is it kin > too? Another question, I know the Native Americans used it for a medicine. > Do you know what it was for. I forgot. Carrot. Daucus carota is its latin name. They're not very "orange" and can be quite bitter, but it's unmistakably a carrot smell. Now, if you're not **CERTAIN** don't eat one. Conium maculatum looks very much like Queen Anne's Lace, but Poison Hemlock is a different plant entirely. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 21:47:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F1lkRM006392 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:47:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F1lF4d009077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F1lFsV047698; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F1lDsV047689 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7F2MH5c025565 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:22:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7F2MH54025564 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408150222.i7F2MH54025564@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <20040814.180027.-116336893.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I might be having a blonde moment. but I was under the impression that > Queen Anne's Lace was a European import run wild in the States and that > it is the ancestral form of the humble carrot......but I am willing to be > corrected by those more knowledgable than myself. It is indeed introduced. YOu can query the USDA plants web page at http://plants.usda.gov for "Latin name" Daucus carota or just go straight to this page http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/plant_profile.cgi?symbol=DACA6 It's listed as a Noxious Weed in several states. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 22:23:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F2NhRM006631 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2N34d011160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2MusV063117; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2MssV063098 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.116] (pm7-116.eos.net [205.133.149.116]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F2Mjcn005742 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:22:49 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:18:46 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408141649.i7EGnNsW020376@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: olympic games X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The costumes and makeup during the "parade of Greek history" were fantastic! They looked just like the ancient murals and statues come to life! I would love to see photos of them, and design sketches, etc. I thought the light-up pregnant belly was dumb, though. And where did the father of the glow-in-the dark "future of Greece" get to? Ruthanne wrote: > The commentators on NBC were extremely irritating, particularly during > Bjork's song. They were obsessed at first with how "frumpy" her skirt looked > and how frumpy her taste is, then noted that the skirt would unfurl to cover > the athletes and the whole center of the stadium (so how is "frumpy" even > relevant??), then chatted about that and the helpful athletes--and evidently > anything else that came to mind--while she sang. The camera showed the > athletes under the "skirt" helping to move it along rather than showing how > it unfurled, which I would rather have seen. And I actually wanted to HEAR > her, but hey, how could that experience compete with the fascination of > CHAT? And then I wanted to see how they cleared the skirt at the end of the > song, but we had commercials (god, there were a lot of them!!!) instead. Boy, they WERE irritating, weren't they? They were just like the commentators for the Rose Bowl or Macy's Thanksgiving Day parades, who are always awful. Who writes the inane things they say? ANYONE I know would be more interesting to listen to. I agree with them about Bjork's dress, though. it was ugly. I love the Olympics, despite its many flaws. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 22:42:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F2gKRM006806 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2fg4d012553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2fesV071000; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2fcsV070969 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E432AC38 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:41:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p206.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.208]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB313D3F7 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:41:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:41:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002001c48253$26b35580$0200a8c0@MOM> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Queen Anne's Lace got its name from the story that while QA was making lace she pricked herself and the blood drop fell on the flower causing the single red flower in the center. Europeans and Colonist believed that eating the red flower would prevent epilepsy. The boiled root, besides food source was said to desolve Kidney stones. The plant was brought over and like the dandelion, got away from the garden and became wild. The NAs probably learned of it's uses and the dandelions uses from the colonist. De -----Original Message----- Jerusha, I don't want to dig up my Queen Anne's Lace. So what vegetable is it kin too? Another question, I know the Native Americans used it for a medicine. Do you know what it was for. I forgot. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 22:46:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F2kCRM006817 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:46:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2jZ4d012741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2jYsV072643; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F2jWsV072603 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:45:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACB6266B00C0; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:38:46 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC5C1D30226; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <005c01c48271$b05cbec0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408150222.i7F2MH54025564@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:43:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here are some pretty photos of Queen Anne's lace: http://www.plantatlas.usf.edu/images.asp?plantID=1771 Since it is a noxious weed, I guess my neighbor's will be hating me in years when seeds blow over into their yards. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 23:47:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F3luRM007228 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:47:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F3lA4d016524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F3l7sV097903; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F3l4sV097869 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB22270700C0; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:40:18 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AACA1B2022A; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c4827a$49ea4f50$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:45:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What interesting information De. Thanks! I recall in one of my mid 1800s Peterson's magazine. I think there was a recipe using QAL for nervous conditions. I purchased mine from a flower nursery and it was it the herb section. Strange mine doesn't have the red flower like on the webpage. I haven't seen the red flower on the QAL in our area. When I saw the red flower on the webpage, I thought it was a fluke. What an interesting story about the Queen pricking her finger. Makes me wonder it there is a story like this for the bleeding heart flower. They come in different colors, but I love the white flower with the red throat. See here: http://davesgarden.com/pdb/showimage/408/ I also forgot that another one of favorite is with the old-fashioned fuchsia, with the bright pink and deep purple. I can bring this topic to costuming. Here is a fuchsia made in beading: (there is a free pattern for this) http://members.tripod.com/c.karole/id71.htm and here is a neat story about the history of the fuchsia: http://www.thesunlink.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=YARDSMART-HOME-08-02-04&cat=LH I am beginning to wonder why I like plants that are described as ballerinas. They do look like a skirt. I just love their striking colors. My fuchsia look like this: http://www.focal.plane.btinternet.co.uk/visitors_pix/fucshia1.htm Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 14 23:53:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F3rPRM007276 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F3qj4d016882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F3qisV000345; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F3qgsV000295 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC74102E0088; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:45:56 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC1B28D0226; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:44:27 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01c4827b$13610450$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: olympic games Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:50:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just saw the dress with Bjorne. They talked about the costume designer for the opening show at that time. There were 10,000 square feet to the skirt of that dress. I will rewind the tape and listen to see if their name was mentioned. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 00:30:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F4UaRM007529 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F4U04d019322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F4TwsV015823; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F4TusV015741 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040815042950.EJSW13808.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:29:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c48281$94a2b620$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:37:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] flowers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7F4UaRM007529 Status: RO I hate roses give me a rose and I will show you a dead plant. I like Dahlias for their large assortment from small to dish size blooms. I also like peonys but it turned out that when you transplant them under walnut trees they die. Shasta daisys are easy to grow and produce lots of flowers. Some plants die no matter what I do roses, lavender, and poppies. It is hot hot hot! suppose to cool off tonight 27 degrees C still at 9:30 pm. Brin Kendall _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 01:16:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F5GtRM007779 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F5G64d022249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F5G3sV035194; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F5G0sV035121 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFFA42DC00FA; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:09:14 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFA12E10228; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00a601c48286$b687fb10$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c48281$94a2b620$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] flowers Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:14:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brin, A lot has to do with your soil, amount of sunlight, temperatures, moisture, etc. I have grown roses at every home we have had from New Mexico, Mississippi, and VA. We moved into this house and have had problems growing them. Last spring, we moved all the bushes to a very sunny area. They seem to be doing well. There are also some tricks to growing roses. Do not water them while the sun is shining directly on them. Do not water them just before sunset. Do it a few hours before or they will develop the dreaded black spot. When a flower is spent, cut it off, down to the nearest set of five healthy leaves. Fertilize the bush when it is really thirsty and the soil is dry. Then it will produce more flowers. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 02:48:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F6m4RM008297 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F6lL4d027017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F6lAsV071882; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F6l7sV071857 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3164A2A992 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:47:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p436.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.182]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 20B5CD409 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:47:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:47:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006301c4827a$49ea4f50$0200a8c0@MOM> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You might not have a QAL. There are several plants that look like QAL, one is hemlock. I have been told that true QAL has the red flower in the center so I would check with someone to make sure that you really have QAL and not one of the poisonous look-a-likes. There is a story to the bleeding heart but I don't remember it. The original BH is pink with the white tongue. It became popular in the 1800s as a garden plant. There is probably a fable story for almost every plant.:) If you ever do decide to ingest the plant, please get it 100% verified as QAL. De PS. The QAL story was my first plant story that I heard when I was 8 years old. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 02:55:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F6tMRM008326 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F6sg4d027463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F6sfsV075288; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F6sdsV075269 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560DD2A310 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:54:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p436.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.182]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C56CD3F7 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:54:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] flowers Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:54:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000c01c48281$94a2b620$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My father had successfully achieved the black thumb award as I left for a few days and left my plants in his care. When I returned I had five plants on the verge of dying and 10 others, 3 of them cacti dead. My ex stepmother (the poor woman) was so proud of the fact that the rubber plant that her mother gave her had survived 3 months without dying and she had been watering it and caring for it. No one, not even her mother had the heart to tell her it was artificial. De -----Original Message----- I hate roses give me a rose and I will show you a dead plant. I like Dahlias for their large assortment from small to dish size blooms. I also like peonys but it turned out that when you transplant them under walnut trees they die. Shasta daisys are easy to grow and produce lots of flowers. Some plants die no matter what I do roses, lavender, and poppies. It is hot hot hot! suppose to cool off tonight 27 degrees C still at 9:30 pm. Brin Kendall _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 04:09:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7F89lRM008869 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F88p4d000876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F88msV005752; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7F88ksV005700 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8781C4800DC; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:02:00 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8203A80276; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00b701c4829e$d93ddbd0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:07:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Olympics Opening Night X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7F89lRM008869 Status: RO To see photos of the opening night, go to http://www.athens2004.com/en/Ceremonyimgallery/redirect There are 113 photos, and the ancient Greece costumed photos are scattered among them. If you are in the U.S. you can go to http://www.nbcolympics.com/index.html and click on video. You will have to register and use only the first six digits of your VISA card.... the only way to view it. They do not charge your credit card. VISA is one of the sponsors of the Olympics. Afterwards, you can see the videos from the opening ceremony or other clips. I did listen to my opening ceremony videotape again and this was the information they gave out during Bjork's song about the technical director for the ceremony. The skirt of her dress was 30,000 sq. ft. and it covered app. 11,000 athletes. Once it fully covered them, it was a map of the world. The visual artist (the title given) or tech. director for the ceremony was Demetre' (won't even attempt the spelling of his last Greek name). He is an actor, director, choreographer, and visual artist. He studied at the Athens School of Fine Arts and studied dance in New York City. For those who did not watch the ceremony, the ladies carrying the banners with the countries names, were dressed as Grecian urns. You can see some of their costumes in the photos with the athletes. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 06:43:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FAhHRM021704 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:43:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FAgS4d007646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FAgEsV067593; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FAgCsW067543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4EBD8768 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 02114-05 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 83526D8307 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017601c482b4$788060e0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408150222.i7F2MH54025564@sabre.goldsword.com> <005c01c48271$b05cbec0$0200a8c0@MOM> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Since it is a noxious weed, I guess my neighbor's will be hating me in years > when seeds blow over into their yards. > > Penny E. Ladnier A weed is just a flower growing where someone doesn't want it. When I lived in Hamburg, Michigan, my back yard was filled with phlox, and I used to love driving down M-36 just to see all the wild flowers lining the road. Pretty, pretty place. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 09:34:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FDYrRM022293 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FDYA4d016698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FDY6sV038879; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7FDY4sW038786 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2004081509335603849 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:33:56 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i7FDXr8Q013546 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ab01c482cc$8d2fb5f0$55a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408141552.i7EFqsmV021580@sabre.goldsword.com> <002001c48253$26b35580$0200a8c0@MOM> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:34:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to some naturalists, if you're lost in the woods you can eat the roots, which are the ancestors of our carrots. Not as sweet and tougher, but won't kill you. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? > Jerusha, > > I don't want to dig up my Queen Anne's Lace. So what vegetable is it kin > too? Another question, I know the Native Americans used it for a medicine. > Do you know what it was for. I forgot. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 11:30:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FFU2RM023012 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:30:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFTL4d022828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFTCsV089129; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFT8sV089096 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so93741rnk for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.75.50 with SMTP id x50mr36057rna; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac1904081508293c76d341@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:29:06 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The only thing I remember about Queen Anne's Lace was that my mom always told me to be careful while picking it (at the edge of busy roads, so you see her concern), and that I used to put the cut flowers in vases with water + food coloring, because the white flowers would change color. All I've got - I'm not a horticulturist and appart from the obvious ones like roses and tulips I can't tell flowers apart :P My only concerns are 1) is it pretty and 2) am I allergic? Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 11:46:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FFkeRM023072 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFk64d023877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFk4sV097121; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFk3sV097102 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:46:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7FGLA5c030545 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:21:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7FGLADn030544 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408151621.i7FGLADn030544@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] flowers In-Reply-To: <000c01c48281$94a2b620$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I hate roses give me a rose and I will show you a dead plant. I like Dahlias for their large assortment from small to dish size blooms. I also like peonys but it turned out that when you transplant them under walnut trees they die. Shasta daisys are easy to grow and produce lots of flowers. Some plants die no matter what I do roses, lavender, and poppies. It is hot hot hot! suppose to cool off tonight 27 degrees C still at 9:30 pm. Just so you'll know, *most* plants when planted under walnut trees will die. The technical term for that is allelopathy. There are lists of plants that are tolerant of the juglone on the web -- I found 3 via google. http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/hortcult/fruits/blkwalnt.htm http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/nursery/430-021/430-021.html http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/crops/facts/info_walnut_toxicity.htm Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 11:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FFtwRM023144 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:55:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFtQ4d024293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFtPsV001312; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFtNsV001297 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7FGUW5c030758 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7FGUWoK030757 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408151630.i7FGUWoK030757@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <00ab01c482cc$8d2fb5f0$55a810ac@Kate> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > According to some naturalists, if you're lost in the woods you can eat the > roots, which are the ancestors of our carrots. Not as sweet and tougher, > but won't kill you. Yes, you can -- but you need to make sure it's *NOT* Poison Hemlock which *will* kill you. I'll see if I can find out some distinguishing features to separate the two. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 11:58:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FFwcRM023164 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFw44d024509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFw4sV002616; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FFw1sV002593 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7FGX85c030826 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:33:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7FGX8D0030825 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408151633.i7FGX8D0030825@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace In-Reply-To: <7d21ac1904081508293c76d341@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The only thing I remember about Queen Anne's Lace was that my mom > always told me to be careful while picking it (at the edge of busy > roads, so you see her concern), and that I used to put the cut flowers > in vases with water + food coloring, because the white flowers would > change color. > > All I've got - I'm not a horticulturist and appart from the obvious > ones like roses and tulips I can't tell flowers apart :P My only > concerns are 1) is it pretty and 2) am I allergic? See you're a budding taxonomist! :-) You're already separating plants into useful (to you) categories. :-) Jerusha the Taxonomic Botanist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 13:40:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FHelRM023774 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:40:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FHe64d000109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FHe2sV049498; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:40:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.spiritone.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FHe1sW049446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7FHdv2x003396 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:39:58 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] flowers Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200408151621.i7FGLADn030544@sabre.goldsword.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've got a monster of a walnut tree next door and would cheerfully do something to kill it! Seriously, the thing has been blown down, cut down twice, and it's like Freddy - BACK! I love the smell of the leaves, the squirrels love the nuts, but my Italian Prune and everything else in those garden beds except the Lovage hate it. The neighbor just fixed up her roof and eves and I mentioned some of it was going to be immediately undone by the branches and leaves which seem to be fairly stiff and corrosive (?). It probably has an 80-100 year old root system which is why it keeps coming back. Hmmm.... Thanks for the plant suggestions. I like having a garden there, but the leaves have to be able to be raked and separately bagged because I can't just put them in the compost with everything else. Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Susan Farmer > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:21 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] flowers > > > > > > I hate roses give me a rose and I will show you a dead plant. > I like Dahlias for their large assortment from small to dish size > blooms. I also like peonys but it turned out that when you > transplant them under walnut trees they die. Shasta daisys are > easy to grow and produce lots of flowers. Some plants die no > matter what I do roses, lavender, and poppies. It is hot hot > hot! suppose to cool off tonight 27 degrees C still at 9:30 pm. > > Just so you'll know, *most* plants when planted under walnut > trees will die. > The technical term for that is allelopathy. There are lists of plants > that are tolerant of the juglone on the web -- I found 3 via google. > > http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/hortcult/fruits/blkwalnt.htm > http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/nursery/430-021/430-021.html > http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/crops/facts/info_walnut_toxicity.htm > > Jerusha > _____________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 16:28:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FKSYRM024525 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FKRU4d008992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FKRGsV026894; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FKRDsW026870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7FKTF9d015136 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:29:15 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:34:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c48185$96ff8c60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408151634.57193.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 13 August 2004 6:33 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > New topic > I love flowers, > I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. > So here is my question for you > > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull > I love the peony flower, > but also it is a little vulgar, > Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I think peonies are lovely as they grow in the garden, though I don't like peony designs for clothing--there, they can be too vulgar and overblown. What is my favorite flower? I'm not sure; I've always had a black thumb myself--I'm more of an animal lover than a plant lover! I like lots of different flowers; it all depends on the setting. Roses are very nice, and their scent is beautiful. Little pansies look nice on the side of a walkway, or in a lawn. Daffodils and tulips are good in flowerbeds. I guess the only flower I *don't* like is the dandelion, because they take over the lawn and once they've done blooming they leave those nasty stalks when they're reseeding themselves. :-) P.S. I'm not watching the Olympics--I'm trying to get over a sore throat that seems to want to turn into sinusitis or something. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 18:26:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FMQvRM025143 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FMQF4d016769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FMQBsV082466; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FMQ9sV082442 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A7D2A5EB for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:26:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p453.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.199]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 65AB6D4B8 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:26:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200408151634.57193.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO P.S. I'm not watching the Olympics--I'm trying to get over a sore throat that seems to want to turn into sinusitis or something. :-( -- Cathy Raymond ~~~ I have found that a cool to cold compress at the back of the neck helps in trying to prevent sinusitis. Sometimes the neck muscles are tense and they tense the scalp and forehead muscles which irritate the sinuses, causing drainage which results in sore throat. Note this is not always the reason for a sore throat, I'm just throwing out one possible reason / solutions. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 19:39:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FNdURM025540 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FNau4d021986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FNajsV016043; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7FNahsW016027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7FNckf4024825 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:38:47 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:44:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408151944.29127.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 15 August 2004 6:26 pm, otsisto wrote: > P.S. I'm not watching the Olympics--I'm trying to get over a sore throat > that > seems to want to turn into sinusitis or something. :-( > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > ~~~ > I have found that a cool to cold compress at the back of the neck helps in > trying to prevent sinusitis. Sometimes the neck muscles are tense and they > tense the scalp and forehead muscles which irritate the sinuses, causing > drainage which results in sore throat. Note this is not always the reason > for a sore throat, I'm just throwing out one possible reason / solutions. Thanks for the advice. However, the redness I can easily see along my tonsils and uvula when I look inside my mouth with a flashlight suggests that more than muscle tension is going on this time. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 20:44:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G0iaRM025813 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:44:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G0hn4d026900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G0hesV045911; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:43:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn7.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G0hdsV045881 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 519623A48; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:43:27 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [207.161.57.196] by mprdmailfe1.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:43:27 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 288f4aff0303c37007492032e249218e From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040816004327.519623A48@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:43:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is hot hot hot! suppose to cool off tonight 27 degrees C still at 9:30 pm. Brin Kendall Where do you live to be using celsius? In Winnipeg, it went down to 5 degrees C this week. My SCA is group has a camping event at the beginning of Sept every year. I'm thinking Dark Age woolens are going to be popular this year. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 20:47:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G0lRRM025825 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G0kr4d027143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G0krsV047514; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G0knsV047480 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7G1Lw5c033999 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:21:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7G1LwBe033998 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408160121.i7G1LwBe033998@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] flowers In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've got a monster of a walnut tree next door and would cheerfully do > something to kill it! Seriously, the thing has been blown down, cut down > twice, and it's like Freddy - BACK! > > I love the smell of the leaves, the squirrels love the nuts, but my Italian > Prune and everything else in those garden beds except the Lovage hate it. > The neighbor just fixed up her roof and eves and I mentioned some of it was > going to be immediately undone by the branches and leaves which seem to be > fairly stiff and corrosive (?). It probably has an 80-100 year old root > system which is why it keeps coming back. > > Hmmm.... Thanks for the plant suggestions. I like having a garden there, > but the leaves have to be able to be raked and separately bagged because I > can't just put them in the compost with everything else. Glad I could help! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 21:07:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G17JRM025909 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:07:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G16j4d028682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G16fsV057359; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G16csV057317 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7G1fn5c034306 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7G1fnBH034305 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408160141.i7G1fnBH034305@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) In-Reply-To: <200408151944.29127.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Thanks for the advice. > > However, the redness I can easily see along my tonsils and uvula when I look > inside my mouth with a flashlight suggests that more than muscle tension is > going on this time. Usually, in my experience, it's the sinusitis or flat out sinus infection that causes the sore throat. The drainage sets up a fertile breeding ground for the bacteria. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 23:09:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G39sRM026255 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:09:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G3994d007682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G38xsV015667; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G38tsV015612 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20j0.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.96] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BwXri-0005Jr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:08:54 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040815215606.0269fec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:59:42 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200408151043.i7FAhBsW068007@net.indra.com> References: <200408151043.i7FAhBsW068007@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, Penny, do you like hollyhocks? Pick a fully open flower and a bud just peeking out with color. Trim the stem of the full one flush with the calyx, then make a small hole where the stem was. Push the stem of the bud gently into the hole, and Voila!! you have a ballerina. Sandy >I am beginning to wonder why I like plants that are described as ballerinas. >They do look like a skirt. I just love their striking colors. My fuchsia >look like this: >http://www.focal.plane.btinternet.co.uk/visitors_pix/fucshia1.htm > >Penny E. Ladnier "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 15 23:12:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G3C0RM026258 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G3BK4d008055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G3BJsV016816; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G3BHsW016794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7G3DKHZ001513 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:13:20 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:19:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408160141.i7G1fnBH034305@sabre.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <200408160141.i7G1fnBH034305@sabre.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408152319.03106.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 15 August 2004 9:41 pm, Susan Farmer wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > However, the redness I can easily see along my tonsils and uvula when I > > look inside my mouth with a flashlight suggests that more than muscle > > tension is going on this time. > > Usually, in my experience, it's the sinusitis or flat out sinus infection > that causes the sore throat. The drainage sets up a fertile breeding > ground for the bacteria. I will observe only that I *had* no drainage until two days after the sore throat started, and my sinuses were clear all that time. Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 00:32:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G4WNRM026512 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G4UJ4d014151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G4UBsV056665; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G4U9sV056605 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6BB13450088; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:23:23 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6621F60286; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:21:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c48349$7a1f9d40$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408151043.i7FAhBsW068007@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20040815215606.0269fec0@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sandy, My husband loves hollyhocks and I have tried growing them for two years without success. They seem to rot in our soil. We have been way of average for rainfall for the past two years. I also love gardenias... makes the whole yard smell wonderful. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 01:50:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G5opRM026783 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:50:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G5oH4d019624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G5oEsV094499; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G5oCsV094479 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30031 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:56:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:56:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040815215606.0269fec0@pop.radiks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > So, Penny, do you like hollyhocks? Pick a fully open flower and a bud > just peeking out with color. Trim the stem of the full one flush with > the calyx, then make a small hole where the stem was. Push the stem > of the bud gently into the hole, and Voila!! you have a ballerina. By golly, I think you have just described costuming a flower. And I thought this thread was hopelessly off-topic. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 02:47:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7G6lPRM012035 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G6kH4d023345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G6k8sV020968; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G6k5sV020910 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A697332700D8; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:39:19 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A63E4EF0140; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c4835c$77a57ae0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:44:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin, On a craft show I saw once... they were making small costumed ladies that hung as a decoration from atop window. The skirts from silk flowers. The bodice was made with the silk flower buds. They were so cute. I have thought about making them for the picture window in my office. Their heads were made from wooden beads. The instructions must be on the HGTV or DYI website. http://www.diynet.com/diy/shows_cds/0,2044,DIY_15079,00.html I think I found some directions that are similar on the ivillage website. It is for wire angels for a Christmas tree. I won't post that URL here because it is so long. But if you go to http://www.ivillage.com and search for Carol Duvall, wire angels, you will find the directions. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 07:37:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GBbDRM027091 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:37:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBaE4d010646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:36:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBa1sV052620; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBZxsV052496 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:34:53 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Favourite flower (WAS:Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games?) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C391F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Favourite flower (WAS:Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games?) Thread-Index: AcSBlIKeiioC5LwLQEuuh1a0vHkbZQB8D5gQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most > beautifull I love the peony flower, but also it is a little > vulgar, Still.... i love the peony! My favourite is the dandelion. Most people consider it a weed but I've always loved it - that yellow flower against the green of the leaves and grass. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 07:58:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GBwORM027156 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:58:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBvk4d011620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBvhsV062918; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7GBvfsW062864 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2004081607573507239 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:57:35 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i7GBvX8Q007643 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00db01c48388$3729be50$55a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408151630.i7FGUWoK030757@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:57:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > According to some naturalists, if you're lost in the woods you can eat the > > roots, which are the ancestors of our carrots. Not as sweet and tougher, > > but won't kill you. > > Yes, you can -- but you need to make sure it's *NOT* Poison Hemlock which > *will* kill you. I'll see if I can find out some distinguishing features > to separate the two. Hopefully I'll never have to find out, but I should think that the smell of the root should be a good indication. The one time I pulled one up (years ago), I remember that it definitely smelled like carrot. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 07:58:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GBwvRM027162 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBwP4d011706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GBwOsV063297; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41502.mail.yahoo.com (web41502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7GBwKsV063226 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040816115815.58756.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:58:15 BST Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:58:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Favourite flower (WAS:Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games?) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C391F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most > > beautifull I love the peony flower, but also it is a little > > vulgar, Still.... i love the peony! The sunflower. Happiness and sunshine, all in one big and beautiful flower. 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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 08:19:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GCJ3RM027253 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:19:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GCII4d012565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GCIGsV072542; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GCIDsV072424 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m216.in-tch.com [216.166.191.216]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7GCHfK19579 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4120A6F8.7080803@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:22:16 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favourite flower (WAS:Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games?) References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C391F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C391F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The dandelion is one of my favorites, too, although I forgot to mention it before! I love the cheerfulness of the color, and the saucy way they pop up everywhere. I also really appreciate the way they're not toxic or poisonous, like some other flowers, and in fact just about every part of the plant has some good use for it...you can dye fibers or fabric with the flowerheads (or make wine...mmmm), use the young leaves for salad greens, and the root has uses as well. --sue Teddy wrote: >>Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most >>beautifull I love the peony flower, but also it is a little >>vulgar, Still.... i love the peony! > > > My favourite is the dandelion. Most people consider it a weed but I've > always loved it - that yellow flower against the green of the leaves and > grass. > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 09:25:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GDPcRM027539 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDOt4d015750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:24:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDOpsV006593; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDOmsV006570 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7GE025c038914 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7GE02g9038913 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408161400.i7GE02g9038913@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Attn: Jerusha re: Princely Attire in Italy In-Reply-To: <7d21ac1904081219413f79de0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Saw you mention this book in a post, and I can find nothing on it. Do > you have an author, publication date, ISBN - ? there is no ISBN number. However, the full title is "Splendors of the Renaissance: Princely Attire in Italy" subtitle: Reconstructions of Historic Costumes from King Studio, Italy by Fausto Fornasari. Catalog by Janet Cox-Rearick. copyright 2004 King Studio Editions and Janet Cox-Rearick Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 09:37:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GDbXRM027636 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:37:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDav4d016770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDatsV013594; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDaqsV013576 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7GEC75c039018 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7GEC7YA039017 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408161412.i7GEC7YA039017@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) In-Reply-To: <200408152319.03106.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Sunday 15 August 2004 9:41 pm, Susan Farmer wrote: > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > However, the redness I can easily see along my tonsils and uvula when I > > > look inside my mouth with a flashlight suggests that more than muscle > > > tension is going on this time. > > > > Usually, in my experience, it's the sinusitis or flat out sinus infection > > that causes the sore throat. The drainage sets up a fertile breeding > > ground for the bacteria. > > I will observe only that I *had* no drainage until two days after the sore > throat started, and my sinuses were clear all that time. Don't feel bad. The worst sinus infection that I ever had (in terms of trying to get rid of it) was completely asymptomatic -- no pain, no drainage. I had gone to an allergist for a 2nd opinion-type thing and he did a set of sinus films as a standard part of his exam. There was no airspace in my head. took 3 rounds of antibiotics to clear up! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 09:47:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GDlGRM027691 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDk24d017386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDjxsV019051; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDjusV019027 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7GELA5c039140 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7GELA1O039139 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408161421.i7GELA1O039139@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers In-Reply-To: <004b01c4835c$77a57ae0$0200a8c0@MOM> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On a craft show I saw once... they were making small costumed ladies that > hung as a decoration from atop window. The skirts from silk flowers. The > bodice was made with the silk flower buds. They were so cute. I have > thought about making them for the picture window in my office. Their heads > were made from wooden beads. The instructions must be on the HGTV or DYI > website. Think about the Nutcracker Suite in Fantasia. I *think* that they were all flowers (except for the Oriental Dance which was goldfish) Radishes, and Iris, and Hollyhocks, and ..... Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 09:47:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GDlZRM027694 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:47:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDkn4d017453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDknsV019507; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDklsV019464 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id AAC3C3860084; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:46:43 -0400 Received: from ASSP-nospam ([209.131.83.40]) by cleveland.washjeff.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:46:42 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 16 Aug 04 13:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c48398$6748abe0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac1904081508293c76d341@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:53:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2004 13:46:43.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[77182D30:01C48397] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw an article this summer about wild parsnip. This seems to be a QAL look-alike, but with pale yellow flowers. This plant can cause pestiferous itching like poison ivy. Perhaps this is why your mother cautioned you about picking it? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace > The only thing I remember about Queen Anne's Lace was that my mom > always told me to be careful while picking it (at the edge of busy > roads, so you see her concern), and that I used to put the cut flowers > in vases with water + food coloring, because the white flowers would > change color. > > All I've got - I'm not a horticulturist and appart from the obvious > ones like roses and tulips I can't tell flowers apart :P My only > concerns are 1) is it pretty and 2) am I allergic? > > Allison T. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 09:54:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GDs4RM027759 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:54:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDqx4d017911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDqvsV023455; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GDqtsV023401 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200408161352500130015qf2e>; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:50 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.117; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:48 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favourite flower Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:48 +0000 Message-Id: <081620041352.5338.4120BC30000ABAA7000014DA2200734076010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine are Jasmine and Pansies. I love the almost intoxicating scent of the jasmine. The Pansies are every hue and colour with such a vast variety of combinations, I'm inspired to costume in technicolor. -- I refuse to read minds....It's rude. Slan go foill Elena (Emer) nic Tighearnaigh -------------- Original message -------------- > The dandelion is one of my favorites, too, although I forgot to mention > it before! I love the cheerfulness of the color, and the saucy way they > pop up everywhere. > I also really appreciate the way they're not toxic or poisonous, like > some other flowers, and in fact just about every part of the plant has > some good use for it...you can dye fibers or fabric with the flowerheads > (or make wine...mmmm), use the young leaves for salad greens, and the > root has uses as well. > --sue > > Teddy wrote: > >>Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most > >>beautifull I love the peony flower, but also it is a little > >>vulgar, Still.... i love the peony! > > > > > > My favourite is the dandelion. Most people consider it a weed but I've > > always loved it - that yellow flower against the green of the leaves and > > grass. > > > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 10:03:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GE38RM027799 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GE2N4d018689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GE2LsV029364; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GE2IsV029322 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7GEbV5c039369 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:37:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7GEbVWx039368 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408161437.i7GEbVWx039368@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? In-Reply-To: <00db01c48388$3729be50$55a810ac@Kate> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > > According to some naturalists, if you're lost in the woods you can eat > the > > > roots, which are the ancestors of our carrots. Not as sweet and > tougher, > > > but won't kill you. > > > > Yes, you can -- but you need to make sure it's *NOT* Poison Hemlock which > > *will* kill you. I'll see if I can find out some distinguishing features > > to separate the two. > > Hopefully I'll never have to find out, but I should think that the smell of > the root should be a good indication. The one time I pulled one up (years > ago), I remember that it definitely smelled like carrot. Yep. The ones that I have do as well. Here in the foothills of the smokies we have folks every year brought into the ER because they've eaten a Veratrum instead of a Ramp (which are real popular). And the department gets at least one mushroom call a semester. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 10:11:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GEBDRM027828 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEAU4d019256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEASsV034415; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEAPsV034374 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7GEjd5c039467 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:45:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7GEjdgJ039466 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408161445.i7GEjdgJ039466@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace In-Reply-To: <004701c48398$6748abe0$765183d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I saw an article this summer about wild parsnip. This seems to be a QAL > look-alike, but with pale yellow flowers. This plant can cause pestiferous > itching like poison ivy. Perhaps this is why your mother cautioned you > about picking it? When I was little, we always called QAL "chigger weed." There were supposed to be chiggers hiding in the flowers. For those of you who have not been blessed -- a chigger is a *tiny* bug that burrows into your skin and they itch like mad. They like to get into folds -- like around panty legs, or the elastic of your waistbands. I was always told to cover the spot with fingernail polish and that would cut off his air and he would die quicker. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 10:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GECfRM027831 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEC84d019378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEC7sV035461; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEBssV035321 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7GEl65c039494 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7GEl6YJ039493 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408161447.i7GEl6YJ039493@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Favourite flower In-Reply-To: <081620041352.5338.4120BC30000ABAA7000014DA2200734076010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Mine are Jasmine and Pansies. I love the almost intoxicating scent of the jasmine. The Pansies are every hue and colour with such a vast variety of combinations, I'm inspired to costume in technicolor. That's the really cool thing about flowers. Mother Nature puts colors together that I would *never* dream of -- but with her color palette they work! Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 10:15:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GEFwRM027844 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEFI4d019636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEFHsV037541; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEFFsV037190 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i7GEFaP25763.; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:15:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:14:41 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:14:27 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I've been off-list for a week while away from my computer in rural Shropshire, singing church music with a group of friends and birdwatching - sounds as though I haven't missed much! Favourite flowers: fuchsias, old-fashioned pinks and bearded iris. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 10:26:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GEQaRM027892 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:26:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEPq4d020366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEPnsV044644; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEPisV044602 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:24:36 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C3923@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers Thread-Index: AcSDlQAvB5S5DyYvQtW/y4txmV3HlgABv2wQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My husband loves hollyhocks and I have tried growing them for > two years without success. They seem to rot in our soil. We > have been way of average for rainfall for the past two years. Hi Penny. Our hollyhocks won't die! The ones by our gate were taller than me a few months ago and flowering beautifully when unexpectedly high winds blew them over and they lay across the pavement for a day, getting stepped on by every passer by. They were lifted up and laid over a side-branch of our front yard path by Tom when he got home form work, just to get them out of the street until he could dispose of them. We expected them to be dead so were none to careful about traipsing over them, back and forth to load and unload the car for events, but they remained fresh and unwithered, then we noticed new growth, and new flowers. They were still growing strongly. Several months later, they are still across the path (we are not gardeners by nature) and the horizontal parts are stll in flower and thriving, the new growth has come in vertical from the horizontal stems and is in full bloom too. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 10:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GEcTRM027958 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEbr4d021396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEbisV053080; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GEbfsV052974 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.96.125dc31f (24895) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <96.125dc31f.2e5220a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:37:29 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina flowers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gotta love the Daylily. Sure the regular old tawny ditch version is lov-er-ly but not spectacular. But there are a million varieties now that are unbelievably beautiful. And they are essentially maintenance free. I also love Dahlias. Again there are a million of them that are spectacular. I can't get them to look good down here though. So how would you costume the flowers in Act II of Nutcracker? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 11:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GFZ2RM028154 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:35:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GFYK4d003036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GFYEsV000479; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GFYBsV000430 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0418.dialsprint.net ([63.186.145.164]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BwjUu-00027v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:34:08 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:34:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 8/14/04 12:47 PM, ruthanne baumgartner at ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > I watched the opening ceremonies--I love the rich variety of faces all so > happy and hopeful. I thank every delegation that chose to wear native > costume--wouldn't it be a real parade if EVERYBODY did?--so beautiful. And so, having slept on this clever comment of mine, I ask a new question: what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how hard the U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native Americans--although if we had Native Americans on the Olympic team I'd enthusiastically support their wearing the clothing of their own traditions of course. So...would we go Little House on the Prairie? Or Colonial Williamsburg? Or WW II? Or Grease? or hip-hop? or gray flannel suits? IF we costumers had to come up with something that we could call "native costume" for the U.S., what would it be? Any ideas? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 11:46:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GFk3RM028186 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:46:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GFjF4d004222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GFjCsV009276; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GFj0sV009141 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040816154458.NTOX14580.out011.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:44:58 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c483a7$fd99aae0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:44:59 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:44:58 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] American Costume was: The Olympics and the costumes!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My opinion: T-shirt and jeans. Every American has a different history, so trying to narrow it down would be impossible. Some consider it the Puritan costumes of the pilgrims, others Civil War, others native Americans, some the wild west. Our country is such a melting pot that a set costume would be next to impossible. What about other countries? Does the English have a feeling about what their costume is or the Dutch? Very curious to know. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "ruthanne baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! > on 8/14/04 12:47 PM, ruthanne baumgartner at ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I watched the opening ceremonies--I love the rich variety of faces all so > > happy and hopeful. I thank every delegation that chose to wear native > > costume--wouldn't it be a real parade if EVERYBODY did?--so beautiful. > > And so, having slept on this clever comment of mine, I ask a new question: > what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping > Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how hard the > U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native > Americans--although if we had Native Americans on the Olympic team I'd > enthusiastically support their wearing the clothing of their own traditions > of course. > > So...would we go Little House on the Prairie? Or Colonial Williamsburg? Or > WW II? Or Grease? or hip-hop? or gray flannel suits? IF we costumers had to > come up with something that we could call "native costume" for the U.S., > what would it be? Any ideas? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 12:34:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GGYJRM028409 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GGXZ4d010478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GGXWsV049341; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GGXQsV049216 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:33:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040816163317.OSMY12903.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:33:17 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01c483af$d0c1e520$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:41:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7GGYJRM028409 Status: RO I live in the sunny Okanagan BC where we will be burning up again if the weather doesn't change soon. It is suppose to shower on Weds.yeah. No cold tourneys for us again this year everything is hot and dry. I was born in Winnipeg and my Uncle drove bus there for over 40 yrs.. I still have lots of cousins there and love to return for visits. The most important thing to keep warm is head coverings, the second extra bodies in the tent. I find throwing an extra tarp over the tent at night helps insulate the tent and make it warmer. Get off the ground and it will be warmer or put lots underneath you. I've seen hail on a july long weekend and it was so cold. The layered look is in when the temperature drops I hate going to events where there is ice on the water the next day. Brin Kendall Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Wendy" Subject: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20040816004327.519623A48@mprdmxin.myway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is hot hot hot! suppose to cool off tonight 27 degrees C still at 9:30 pm. Brin Kendall Where do you live to be using celsius? In Winnipeg, it went down to 5 degrees C this week. My SCA is group has a camping event at the beginning of Sept every year. I'm thinking Dark Age woolens are going to be popular this year. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 13:26:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GHQLRM028624 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:26:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GHK44d015701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GHJosV087115; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GHJ3sW086488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GHIaAQ005262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4120EC6C.5040107@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:18:36 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <00b701c4829e$d93ddbd0$0200a8c0@MOM> In-Reply-To: <00b701c4829e$d93ddbd0$0200a8c0@MOM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mums, was Olympics Opening Night X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Michelle Plumb : >> I was talking about the humongous flowers. >> I've only seen them in old black & white movies A friend of mine used to grow mums for competition. He called the really big ones football mums. There are quite a few varieties. See: http://www.kingsmums.com/ and the National Chrysanthemum Society at http://www.mums.org/ - Hope (who is bleary-eyed from several late nights of "sew eight garments in one week for last minute opportunity/decision of daughter and friend to attend Pennsic...") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 14:45:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GIjuRM029248 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:45:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GIj34d025875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GIiqsV058103; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GIilsV057970 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:44:25 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:44:13 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On a craft show I saw once... they were making small costumed ladies that > hung as a decoration from atop window. The skirts from silk flowers. The > bodice was made with the silk flower buds. They were so cute. I have > thought about making them for the picture window in my office. Their heads > were made from wooden beads. The instructions must be on the HGTV or DYI > website. Funny you should mention that. When I was home with the broken foot a couple of weeks ago I got hooked on the Carol Duvall show and they did something like this. Found the episode on the website: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/cr_dolls/article/0,1789,HGTV_3242_2248412,00.html Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 15:24:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GJNxRM029414 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GJNF4d029778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GJNBsV088243; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GJN5sV088172 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.148] (pm5-148.eos.net [205.133.149.148]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GJN1xu028952 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:23:01 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:20:02 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408161801.i7GI19sW022247@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: chiggers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan wrote: "For those of you who have not been blessed -- a chigger is a *tiny* bug that burrows into your skin and they itch like mad. They like to get into folds -- like around panty legs, or the elastic of your waistbands. I was always told to cover the spot with fingernail polish and that would cut off his air and he would die quicker." Don't do it! It doesn't work. Chiggers do NOT burrow into your flesh, no matter what everyone says. They just bite you, like any other biting insect. Itch cream does the trick. Chiggers are attracted to sweat, so they often bite under socks, waistbands, etc., when people sit in the grass. Their venom (or whatever it is they leave in you) makes you incredibly itchy, and if you make the mistake of sitting in the grass when you're sweaty, as my husband once did, you can get literally HUNDREDS of tiny bites. Both his legs were covered. He had to go to a doctor for prescription-strength itch cream, after the nail polish thing didn't work. (Yes, it was funny-looking, and yes, the doctor laughed a lot.) Oh, and if you do get bitten, change your clothes. They are very tiny, and they can STAY in the sweaty socks, etc., and keep biting you. As I understand it, they are mostly found in the Southern United States, but Cincinnati is close enough that we get them too. Gail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 15:58:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GJweRM029551 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GJvh4d003832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GJvXsV016235; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GJvMsV016095 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:57:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6630E2BFA2 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:57:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p320.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.221.66]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 57D31C5F2 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:57:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <200408161412.i7GEC7YA039017@sabre.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT: Health advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My worst with sinuses was going to Disney World and coming back with influenza from a park attendant whose boss told him he had to come in even though he was sick or loss his job. I thought the nausea on the plane back was the from the airplane fuel fumes that I could smell (maybe both). On the plane back for some reason my shoulder and neck muscles on the right side became tense irritating my sinuses, right eardrum and right eye which soon after became sinusitis, eye infection and ear infection. I had found in past sinusitis' that the cold pack (and IBprofen) had quickened the recovery. De Now back to costumes & paramecium ties. -----Original Message----- Don't feel bad. The worst sinus infection that I ever had (in terms of trying to get rid of it) was completely asymptomatic -- no pain, no drainage. I had gone to an allergist for a 2nd opinion-type thing and he did a set of sinus films as a standard part of his exam. There was no airspace in my head. took 3 rounds of antibiotics to clear up! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 16:15:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GKF9RM029634 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKER4d005482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKECsV029830; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKE9sV029727 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 9585B1801325 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:14:03 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Aug 2004 20:13:55 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F53ACA07A; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:13:55 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:13:55 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:13:55 +0000 Subject: US nationa costume...Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040816201355.4F53ACA07A@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not being American this might be a little trite, but what about the whole puratain (sp?) look that winds up in every Thanksgiving pageant? Mind you, we Canadians are in a similar state...maybe courier de bois for us? That or the Hudsons Bay Company blanket jackets - except they would kill our athletes in Greece in August...Don't mind me, I'm rambling after a 12 hour day. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > on 8/14/04 12:47 PM, ruthanne baumgartner at ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I watched the opening ceremonies--I love the rich variety of faces all so > > happy and hopeful. I thank every delegation that chose to wear native > > costume--wouldn't it be a real parade if EVERYBODY did?--so beautiful. > > And so, having slept on this clever comment of mine, I ask a new question: > what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping > Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how hard the > U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native > Americans--although if we had Native Americans on the Olympic team I'd > enthusiastically support their wearing the clothing of their own traditions > of course. > > So...would we go Little House on the Prairie? Or Colonial Williamsburg? Or > WW II? Or Grease? or hip-hop? or gray flannel suits? IF we costumers had to > come up with something that we could call "native costume" for the U.S., > what would it be? Any ideas? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 16:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GKLURM029715 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:21:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKKg4d006180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKKdsV035004; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKKbsV034919 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bwny3-000DKi-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:20:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:19:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Costume was: The Olympics and the costumes!! References: <004501c483a7$fd99aae0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> In-Reply-To: <004501c483a7$fd99aae0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And what about those countries that have very distinct regions, each with their own costumes and traditions. I can think of a few cases where highlighting those would *not* contribute to the Olympic ideal of peace and co-operation. Not meaning to follow that thought, but some years ago we had a dance at university where we asked everyone to come representing a different country. We had two Canadians in the group (male and female, but both called Sandy, just to confuse!). Male Sandy came in jeans and lumberjack shirt + hat, female Sandy chose to be Quebec in a white classical-style dress and Quebecois flag around her shoulders. (I chose Ireland because I could borrow someone's Irish Jig outfit - not the full Irish dance dress, but close enough). Jean Brandy Deming wrote >My opinion: T-shirt and jeans. >Every American has a different history, so trying to narrow it down would be >impossible. Some consider it the Puritan costumes of the pilgrims, others >Civil War, others native Americans, some the wild west. Our country is such >a melting pot that a set costume would be next to impossible. >What about other countries? Does the English have a feeling about what their >costume is or the Dutch? Very curious to know. > >B >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ruthanne baumgartner" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:34 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! > > >> on 8/14/04 12:47 PM, ruthanne baumgartner at ruthanneb@mindspring.com >wrote: >> >> > I watched the opening ceremonies--I love the rich variety of faces all >so >> > happy and hopeful. I thank every delegation that chose to wear native >> > costume--wouldn't it be a real parade if EVERYBODY did?--so beautiful. >> >> And so, having slept on this clever comment of mine, I ask a new question: >> what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping >> Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how hard >the >> U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native >> Americans--although if we had Native Americans on the Olympic team I'd >> enthusiastically support their wearing the clothing of their own >traditions >> of course. >> >> So...would we go Little House on the Prairie? Or Colonial Williamsburg? Or >> WW II? Or Grease? or hip-hop? or gray flannel suits? IF we costumers had >to >> come up with something that we could call "native costume" for the U.S., >> what would it be? Any ideas? >> >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 16:33:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GKXLRM029775 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKTp4d007165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKTnsV041983; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (cn7.connectnet.com [207.110.3.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7GKTisV041915 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@cts.com) Received: (qmail 3469 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2004 20:29:39 -0000 Received: from cts-san21612000481.cts.com (HELO Julie) (216.120.4.81) by cn7.connectnet.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2004 20:29:39 -0000 From: "Julie" To: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200408141649.i7EGnNsX020376@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] peony X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love the pictures of peonies but they don't grow here (San Diego) - we don't get cold enough. So instead I grow the old fashioned roses that LOOK like peonies. David Austin is one brand name of these beauties. Then I plant lavender and scented geraniums between them. Julie >> I love flowers, >> I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. >> So here is my question for you >> >> Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull >> I love the peony flower, >> but also it is a little vulgar, >> Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 >> Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 16:55:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GKttRM029930 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:55:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKqc4d009679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKqasV059953; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GKqSsW059883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GKsYSg010675 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:54:35 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:00:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408161700.17266.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 16 August 2004 11:34 am, ruthanne baumgartner wrote: > on 8/14/04 12:47 PM, ruthanne baumgartner at ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > I watched the opening ceremonies--I love the rich variety of faces all so > > happy and hopeful. I thank every delegation that chose to wear native > > costume--wouldn't it be a real parade if EVERYBODY did?--so beautiful. > > And so, having slept on this clever comment of mine, I ask a new question: > what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think there really is one "native costume", Ruth Anne. Most of us non-Native Americans (or our ancestors) came to the US from so many different places, each with their own tradition. > I don't think usurping > Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how hard > the U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native > Americans--although if we had Native Americans on the Olympic team I'd > enthusiastically support their wearing the clothing of their own traditions > of course. And even if one does treat "Native American traditional garb" as native US costume, there is still a problem, because there were many, many tribes living in what is now the continental US, and different tribes had their own, different, distinctive garb. For a nice survey of the differences in Native American costume by region, see: Paterek, Josephine. Encyclopedia of American Indian Costume, W.W. Norton, (paperback ed. 1996), ISBN: 0-393-31382-4. > So...would we go Little House on the Prairie? Or Colonial Williamsburg? Or > WW II? Or Grease? or hip-hop? or gray flannel suits? IF we costumers had to > come up with something that we could call "native costume" for the U.S., > what would it be? Any ideas? I've seen square-dancing costume used as traditional American garb in at least one "folk costume" book! Forced to make a choice among the alternatives (some of which you suggest above), I think I'd choose blue jeans and a t-shirt! That's recognizably American world-wide, and as "traditional" as any of the other possibilities. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:18:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLImRM029996 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:18:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLHl4d012220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLHisV079571; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLHcsW079499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GLJj42011779 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:19:46 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:25:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408161412.i7GEC7YA039017@sabre.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <200408161412.i7GEC7YA039017@sabre.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408161725.27951.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 16 August 2004 10:12 am, Susan Farmer wrote: > > On Sunday 15 August 2004 9:41 pm, Susan Farmer wrote: [snip] > > I will observe only that I *had* no drainage until two days after the > > sore throat started, and my sinuses were clear all that time. > > Don't feel bad. The worst sinus infection that I ever had (in terms of > trying to get rid of it) was completely asymptomatic -- no pain, > no drainage. I had gone to an allergist for a 2nd opinion-type thing > and he did a set of sinus films as a standard part of his exam. There > was no airspace in my head. took 3 rounds of antibiotics to clear up! Most of the mucus in my case appears to be in my chest, says my doc. :-( Still, hopefully the antibiotics he gave me will work and soon I'll be good as new! Thanks for the sympathy! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:22:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLMHRM030052 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:22:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLLa4d012744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLLWsV082893; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLLQsV082777 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03405 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:27:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:27:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! In-Reply-To: <200408161700.17266.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > Forced to make a choice among the alternatives (some of which you > suggest above), I think I'd choose blue jeans and a t-shirt! That's > recognizably American world-wide, and as "traditional" as any of the > other possibilities. :-) With athletic shoes, definitely. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:26:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLQNRM030078 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:26:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPa4d013326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPXsV085988; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPVsV085947 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579C72AB48 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p221.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.223]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C69BD42E for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c483af$d0c1e520$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- The most important thing to keep warm is head coverings, the second extra bodies in the tent. I find throwing an extra tarp over the tent at night helps insulate the tent and make it warmer. Get off the ground and it will be warmer or put lots underneath you. I've seen hail on a july long weekend and it was so cold. The layered look is in when the temperature drops I hate going to events where there is ice on the water the next day. Brin Kendall ~~~~~~~ A large terrycloth beach towel works well for a blanket for warmth. Also a synthetic fur blanket as big as a sleeping bag (or a fake fur cloak. Line the sleeping bag, fur facing you, so that you have fur under you and over you. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:26:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLQgRM030082 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:26:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPw4d013397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPwsV086288; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPWsV085974 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD30B2AB48 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p221.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.223]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B5091D42E for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Costume was: The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You have at least 300 different styles with the Native Americans. (If you go really traditional Mohawk you are looking at a wrap skirt and short poncho) Puritan wouldn't work as it was area specific and they were not the original colonists. The cowboy hat has become associated with the US but is slowly being replace with the hat style that the US athletes wore at the opening ceremony. I think the best that can be done is get creative with the flag colors. Being that it is hot there, perhaps it would have been interesting to see the US come in with red, white and blue Hawaiian shirts. :) De -----Original Message----- And what about those countries that have very distinct regions, each with their own costumes and traditions. I can think of a few cases where highlighting those would *not* contribute to the Olympic ideal of peace and co-operation. Not meaning to follow that thought, but some years ago we had a dance at university where we asked everyone to come representing a different country. We had two Canadians in the group (male and female, but both called Sandy, just to confuse!). Male Sandy came in jeans and lumberjack shirt + hat, female Sandy chose to be Quebec in a white classical-style dress and Quebecois flag around her shoulders. (I chose Ireland because I could borrow someone's Irish Jig outfit - not the full Irish dance dress, but close enough). Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:27:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLRRRM030085 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:27:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLQk4d013429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLQ8sV086408; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLPasV086007 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA362AB7D for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p221.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.223]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B607D42E for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: US nationa costume...Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040816201355.4F53ACA07A@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Not being American this might be a little trite, but what about the whole puratain (sp?) look that winds up in every Thanksgiving pageant? (De) The ugly so called Thanksgiving puritan costume is some 1800s artist's fantasy. What is so ironic is that the myth that the Puritans created Thanksgiving. (Love the holiday dislike the Puritan connection) Mind you, we Canadians are in a similar state...maybe courier de bois for us? That or the Hudsons Bay Company blanket jackets - except they would kill our athletes in Greece in August...Don't mind me, I'm rambling after a 12 hour day. Cheers, Danielle (De)Don't they make a lighter weight blanket? There's always the winter Olympics. Suit jackets made of Hudson Bay blankets. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLVCRM030101 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLUX4d013823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLUVsV089884; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLUQsV089852 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B972A8B4 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p309.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.221.55]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CA58D41F for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping orwatching Olympic games?) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200408161725.27951.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7GLUQsV089852 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's not good. Hope you get better. De -----Original Message----- Most of the mucus in my case appears to be in my chest, says my doc. :-( Still, hopefully the antibiotics he gave me will work and soon I'll be good as new! Thanks for the sympathy! -- Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:33:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLXORM030114 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLWo4d014041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLWSsV091265; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLVLsV090441 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.19f.286743cf (3940) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.286743cf.2e52819f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:11 EDT Subject: Re: US nationa costume...Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/16/2004 4:14:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@lycos.com writes: come up with something that we could call "native costume" for the U.S., > what would it be? Any ideas? > The US costume for the Olympics back in the '80s came close--Levis and cowboy hats. Certainly the Levis are a truly American invention, although you can argue about the cowboy hat. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:37:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLbMRM030131 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:37:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLaj4d014622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLagsV095158; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLKDsW081617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GLLvSb011903 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:21:58 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT: Health advice Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:27:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408161727.40603.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Monday 16 August 2004 3:57 pm, otsisto wrote: > My worst with sinuses was going to Disney World and coming back with > influenza from a park attendant whose boss told him he had to come in even > though he was sick or loss his job. > I thought the nausea on the plane back was the from the airplane fuel fumes > that I could smell (maybe both). > > On the plane back for some reason my shoulder and neck muscles on the right > side became tense irritating my sinuses, right eardrum and right eye which > soon after became sinusitis, eye infection and ear infection. > I had found in past sinusitis' that the cold pack (and IBprofen) had > quickened the recovery. I was taking ibuprofen, and I have antibiotics now. Let's see how fast I get better. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 17:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GLndRM030195 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLho4d015855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLhlsV000851; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GLhhsW000807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GLjp39012984 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:45:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:51:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408161751.33869.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 16 August 2004 5:27 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > Forced to make a choice among the alternatives (some of which you > > suggest above), I think I'd choose blue jeans and a t-shirt! That's > > recognizably American world-wide, and as "traditional" as any of the > > other possibilities. :-) > > With athletic shoes, definitely. Oh, yeah. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:02:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GM22RM030256 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:02:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GM1G4d017391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GM14sV013687; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GM0xsV013549 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:00:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200408161700.AA192675956@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? Victorian perhaps? Also, what is that supplier of velveteen with the name similar to velvet bunny or something like that. I forget. Any other suggestions for finding a cheap source of velvet or velveteen for home dec purposes. Many thanks, Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:24:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMO4RM030362 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:24:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMNQ4d019324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMMGsV028765; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMLCsV028065 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2K00I2C8PXYK@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:20:20 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies In-reply-to: <200408161700.AA192675956@thrednedlestrete.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41213324.6040706@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <200408161700.AA192675956@thrednedlestrete.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just found Velvet(poly) for $5 a yard --and cotton velveteen for $5.50. I don't know if it is a good price though. Jordana Lisa Sinervo wrote: > Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? Victorian perhaps? Also, what is that supplier of velveteen with the name similar to velvet bunny or something like that. I forget. Any other suggestions for finding a cheap source of velvet or velveteen for home dec purposes. > > Many thanks, > > Lisa Sinervo > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:31:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMVLRM030402 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:31:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMUZ4d020020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMUWsV034940; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMUDsV034761 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so160054rnk for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.65 with SMTP id f65mr765801rnb; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190408161530dd41ba2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:30:12 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408161801.i7GI19sX022247@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200408161801.i7GI19sX022247@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] More Queen Anne's lace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could be - I'd have to ask her! At any rate I do remember the peculiar red flower in the center and don't remember itching, so I got it right, at any rate. Allison ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:53:25 -0400 From: "Lloyd Mitchell" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <004701c48398$6748abe0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I saw an article this summer about wild parsnip. This seems to be a QAL look-alike, but with pale yellow flowers. This plant can cause pestiferous itching like poison ivy. Perhaps this is why your mother cautioned you about picking it? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace > The only thing I remember about Queen Anne's Lace was that my mom > always told me to be careful while picking it (at the edge of busy > roads, so you see her concern), and that I used to put the cut flowers > in vases with water + food coloring, because the white flowers would > change color. > > All I've got - I'm not a horticulturist and appart from the obvious > ones like roses and tulips I can't tell flowers apart :P My only > concerns are 1) is it pretty and 2) am I allergic? > > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:31:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMVQRM030405 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMUj4d020040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMUisV035123; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMUDsV034762 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so110506rnl for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.65 with SMTP id f65mr765801rnb; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190408161530dd41ba2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:30:12 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408161801.i7GI19sX022247@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200408161801.i7GI19sX022247@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] More Queen Anne's lace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could be - I'd have to ask her! At any rate I do remember the peculiar red flower in the center and don't remember itching, so I got it right, at any rate. Allison ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:53:25 -0400 From: "Lloyd Mitchell" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <004701c48398$6748abe0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I saw an article this summer about wild parsnip. This seems to be a QAL look-alike, but with pale yellow flowers. This plant can cause pestiferous itching like poison ivy. Perhaps this is why your mother cautioned you about picking it? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Anne's Lace > The only thing I remember about Queen Anne's Lace was that my mom > always told me to be careful while picking it (at the edge of busy > roads, so you see her concern), and that I used to put the cut flowers > in vases with water + food coloring, because the white flowers would > change color. > > All I've got - I'm not a horticulturist and appart from the obvious > ones like roses and tulips I can't tell flowers apart :P My only > concerns are 1) is it pretty and 2) am I allergic? > > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:37:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMbVRM030426 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMas4d020635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMapsV039477; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thrednedlestrete.com (mail02.enterhost.com [69.93.13.234]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMaosV039391 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200408161736.AA84672610@thrednedlestrete.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lisa Sinervo" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies X-Mailer: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've just worked out that Vicara is a synthetic protein fibre made from cornmeal in the 1950s, obsolete in the 1960's. Has anyone ever seen this fabric? Where did the $5.00 velvet come from? It's being used to decorate a hair salon. The buny fabric online store had nothing in it. Lisa Sinervo ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "J.A.Urbik" Reply-To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:20:20 -0400 >I just found Velvet(poly) for $5 a yard --and cotton velveteen for >$5.50. I don't know if it is a good price though. > > >Jordana > > >Lisa Sinervo wrote: >> Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? Victorian perhaps? Also, what is that supplier of velveteen with the name similar to velvet bunny or something like that. I forget. Any other suggestions for finding a cheap source of velvet or velveteen for home dec purposes. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Lisa Sinervo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:40:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMe9RM030451 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMdP4d020824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMdLsV041039; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMdIsV040975 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A601217D001E; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:32:33 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5A91E4027A; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c483e1$a38e78c0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:37:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ruth Anne, Did you see the opening ceremonies of the Salt Lake Olympics? They used several versions of American costume. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMgARM030470 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMfU4d021052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMfUsV042605; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMfRsV042542 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:41:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A68343520022; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:34:43 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A62ACE01C2; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c483e1$f061ad70$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004501c483a7$fd99aae0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Costume was: The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:39:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In the Miss USA pageant and Miss Universe, generally the contestants wear something with the red, white, and blue, patriotic theme. For Miss USA, the costumes are along the line for each state. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:45:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMjERM030476 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMiS4d021285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMiRsV044665; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMiQsV044604 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A73336A000D8; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:37:39 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6DAD801C2; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:36:10 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c483e2$591e1dd0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:42:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Catherine. That is the episode I saw. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 18:51:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GMpqRM030494 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:51:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMoj4d021864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMohsV049148; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GMoesV049117 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2K00D2EA4C0H@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:50:45 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies In-reply-to: <200408161736.AA84672610@thrednedlestrete.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41213A45.8070002@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <200408161736.AA84672610@thrednedlestrete.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did a fabric crawl in the garment district on sat. i go downtown about every two months or so. I am not sure WHICH of the stores had the velvet(i can look to see about recipt, i bought 8 yards for a santa suit-am not sure how much i will need), but the velveteen was at Peron's Annex. Again, not sure the phone number. If you want, I could dck back downtown next week one day. Privetlly email me your phone number, color, ect and I can see what i can find. Lisa Sinervo wrote: > I've just worked out that Vicara is a synthetic protein fibre made from cornmeal in the 1950s, obsolete in the 1960's. Has anyone ever seen this fabric? > > Where did the $5.00 velvet come from? It's being used to decorate a hair salon. The buny fabric online store had nothing in it. > > Lisa Sinervo > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "J.A.Urbik" > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:20:20 -0400 > > >>I just found Velvet(poly) for $5 a yard --and cotton velveteen for >>$5.50. I don't know if it is a good price though. >> >> >>Jordana >> >> >>Lisa Sinervo wrote: >> >>>Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? Victorian perhaps? Also, what is that supplier of velveteen with the name similar to velvet bunny or something like that. I forget. Any other suggestions for finding a cheap source of velvet or velveteen for home dec purposes. >>> >>>Many thanks, >>> >>>Lisa Sinervo >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 19:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GNW5RM030686 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GNV94d024997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GNV4sV074821; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7GNV2sW074750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from Jupiter.plumbnet (d14-69-189-68.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.68.189]) by pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GNafXd001390 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:36:41 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mums, was Olympics Opening Night Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:32:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <00b701c4829e$d93ddbd0$0200a8c0@MOM> <4120EC6C.5040107@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <4120EC6C.5040107@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408161932.25460.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aha, Hope, you've found it for me! It's the Mt. Shasta mum I saw. And they're still being grown! Thank you so much. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 20:16:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H0GsRM030861 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:16:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0GD4d028505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0G7sV000218; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0G5sV000207 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0173.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.173]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bwre0-0008Mt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:16:05 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:16:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c483e1$a38e78c0$0200a8c0@MOM> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, I missed it. Which ones did they choose, do you remember? --Ruth Anne on 8/16/04 6:37 PM, Penny Ladnier at penny@costumegallery.com wrote: > Ruth Anne, > > Did you see the opening ceremonies of the Salt Lake Olympics? They used > several versions of American costume. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners > (http://www.plugit.com)] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 20:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H0UfRM030933 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:30:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0U24d029935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0TxsV007721; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0TvsV007659 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m122.in-tch.com [216.166.191.122]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7H0TQK14867 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4121527B.3030202@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:34:03 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jeans and tee-shirts? --sue, only partly in jest ruthanne baumgartner wrote: > And so, having slept on this clever comment of mine, I ask a new question: > what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping > Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how hard the > U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native > Americans--although if we had Native Americans on the Olympic team I'd > enthusiastically support their wearing the clothing of their own traditions > of course. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 20:36:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H0aARM030964 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:36:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0ZR4d000478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0ZOsV010713; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0ZKsW010650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H0W2tY024531 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:32:02 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412152C5.9080903@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:35:17 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! References: <4121527B.3030202@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <4121527B.3030202@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping >> Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how >> hard the >> U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native >> Americans-- Ditto the whole Hawaiian thing, although less bloody. A lot of "native costume" of countries is stuff folks were wearing in the 1800s, yes? Why not the American versions thereof? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent My Danish is a little rusty (nonexistent actually), but from what I can make out Jydsk Atomic Power claims to be overclocking their atomic reactor, thereby producing electricity with twice as much power. -- Museum of Hoaxes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 20:40:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H0e1RM030981 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0dO4d000709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0dNsV012767; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0dKsV012731 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m122.in-tch.com [216.166.191.122]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7H0csK17925 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <412154B2.4070208@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:43:30 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And if you're not concerned overly much with historical accuracy, I'd recommend a blankie made out of polar fleece (or one of its derivatives). I have a couple of them, and they're quite toasty-warm (use them on my bed at home in the winter, primarily). You can pick up the polar fleece pretty cheap at the end of the season at JoAnn's. At least at ours. They grotesquely over-order the stuff on an annual basis. Oh, and if you were really industrious, you can make sleeping bag liners out of polar fleece. We did those for an Antarctic expedition once, at place I used to work for. --sue otsisto wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > The most important thing to keep warm is head coverings, the second extra > bodies in the tent. I find throwing an extra tarp over the tent at night > helps insulate the tent and make it warmer. Get off the ground and it will > be warmer or put lots underneath you. I've seen hail on a july long weekend > and it was so cold. The layered look is in when the temperature drops I > hate going to events where there is ice on the water the next day. > > Brin Kendall > > ~~~~~~~ > A large terrycloth beach towel works well for a blanket for warmth. Also a > synthetic fur blanket as big as a sleeping bag (or a fake fur cloak. Line > the sleeping bag, fur facing you, so that you have fur under you and over > you. > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 20:53:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H0rCRM031070 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:53:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0qZ4d001734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0qUsV019733; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H0qSsV019670 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7H1Rg5c044350 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:27:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7H1Rg0s044349 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408170127.i7H1Rg0s044349@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) In-Reply-To: <200408161725.27951.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Most of the mucus in my case appears to be in my chest, says my doc. :-( > > Still, hopefully the antibiotics he gave me will work and soon I'll be good as > new! Thanks for the sympathy! Oooh, ick. Would you like some tea to go with that sympathy? Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 21:04:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H144RM031111 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H13S4d002468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H13LsV025215; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H13IsW025175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7H15RSD024080 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:05:27 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:11:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <4121527B.3030202@in-tch.com> <412152C5.9080903@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <412152C5.9080903@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408162111.09846.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 16 August 2004 8:35 pm, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > >> what would BE the "native costume" of the U.S.? I don't think usurping > >> Native American traditional garb would be tasteful, considering how > >> hard the > >> U.S. gov't worked especially in the 19th century to eliminate Native > >> Americans-- > > Ditto the whole Hawaiian thing, although less bloody. > > A lot of "native costume" of countries is stuff folks were wearing in > the 1800s, yes? Why not the American versions thereof? Because by that time, most American were wearing ever-so-slightly-behind-the-times versions of whatever was fashionable in Western Europe? -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 21:10:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H1A3RM031136 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:10:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H19Q4d002906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H19PsV028317; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:09:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H19LsV028209 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sbuchler@silicongenetics.com) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90CBE25@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 656 Thread-Index: AcSD9EI42uinwuPsRfu1sd2ZNc8qrQAAj4UQ From: "Sunny Buchler" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7H19LsV028209 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? 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Hope this helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 21:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H1AERM031139 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:10:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H19a4d002940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H19ZsV028399; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H19LsV028210 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sbuchler@silicongenetics.com) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90CBE25@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 656 Thread-Index: AcSD9EI42uinwuPsRfu1sd2ZNc8qrQAAj4UQ From: "Sunny Buchler" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7H19LsV028210 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? Victorian > perhaps? Also, what is that supplier of velveteen with the > name similar to velvet bunny or something like that. I > forget. Any other suggestions for finding a cheap source of > velvet or velveteen for home dec purposes. I just got 10 yards of velveteen from e-bay for $40... it was labeled "Cotton Velvet" but the pile's so short I think of it as velveteen. I've never heard of vicara, sorry. Hope this helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 16 22:35:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H2ZeRM031881 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:35:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H2Z04d008300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H2YusV070269; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H2YrsW070232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7H2b3lN028110 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:37:03 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT: Health advice (was Re: [h-cost] Are you all sleeping or watching Olympic games?) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:42:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408170127.i7H1Rg0s044349@sabre.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <200408170127.i7H1Rg0s044349@sabre.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408162242.46062.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 16 August 2004 9:27 pm, Susan Farmer wrote: > > Most of the mucus in my case appears to be in my chest, says my doc. :-( > > > > Still, hopefully the antibiotics he gave me will work and soon I'll be > > good as new! Thanks for the sympathy! > > Oooh, ick. Would you like some tea to go with that sympathy? Thanks, but I've been drinking plenty of tea. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 00:09:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H49URM032611 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:09:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H48n4d013811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H48fsV017742; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H48dsV017692 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:08:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-155-69.client.comcast.net [24.21.155.69]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7H48X426217 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:08:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:13:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90CBE25@incoming.sigenetics.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Found this at http://www.fabrics.net/joan200.asp " Vicara -- staple fiber zein [protein fiber from cornmeal] blended with natural and synthetic fibers ob by 1962" Althea On Monday, August 16, 2004, at 06:09 PM, Sunny Buchler wrote: >> Has anyone ever heard of a fabric called vicara? Victorian >> perhaps? Also, what is that supplier of velveteen with the >> name similar to velvet bunny or something like that. I >> forget. Any other suggestions for finding a cheap source of >> velvet or velveteen for home dec purposes. > > I just got 10 yards of velveteen from e-bay for $40... it was labeled > "Cotton Velvet" but the pile's so short I think of it as velveteen. > I've never heard of vicara, sorry. > Hope this helps, > -sunny > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Public Relations Manager Sauron/Voldemort 2004 Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 04:28:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H8ShRM017879 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8Rp4d025899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8RQsV037089; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8ROsV037067 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:27:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:26:17 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shropshire [WAS: Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games?] To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C392A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Shropshire [WAS: Are you all sleaping or waching olympic games?] Thread-Index: AcSDu2Nc0AI4lBdvTtSHsqbAvr0ecwAeA3QQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kate, > Well, I've been off-list for a week while away from my > computer in rural Shropshire, singing church music with a > group of friends and birdwatching - sounds as though I > haven't missed much! What part of Shropshire? I just got back from a week there myself - camping in a small villiage just outside Craven Arms and doing an average of a castle a day with my godchildren and their parents. We need to go back, however, one week isn't enough. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 04:30:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H8UdRM018391 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:30:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8U24d026005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8U1sV038252; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8TxsV038199 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-83-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.83.135]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7H8TmpX030229 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:29:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040817013312.017de8a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:35:21 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I met someone who told me that there was a French crocheters guild in the late 1600s, and that the French caps from the Revolution were all made of crochet. He claims to have seen an actual one of these caps, and that it really is crochet, not knitted or woven. Does anyone here know about this? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 04:39:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H8dgRM020621 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:39:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8Xd4d026181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8XcsV039807; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8XYsV039737 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A146281200FC; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:26:46 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0ED1860290; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:25:17 -0500 Message-ID: <00e601c48434$a1c0cef0$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:31:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ruth Anne, Salt Lake's show had a western wagon train. There was also a part of the show with Native Americans of the region in full costume. I may have taped it and it is around here among the stacks of video tapes. I usually do tape the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympics. My husband and I were just talking tonight about rearranging the shelves of videos to make room for all the DVDs. So maybe hubby will get in an organization mood and find it. Never know what you may find around here. Last week, I took a mystery roll of photo film to be developed. It was of the second Ball in 2000. I know my husband will never get in a mood to organize all the photos again... well, he might start but in 26 years, he has never completed that task. I also have a Sydney video tape of the opening and closing. I loved their cultural side of their opening show too. I think my favorite opening was the last time the Olympics were in L.A. I just loved the trumpeters on top of the stadium. I wish I could have seen it live. For some reason, I can't recall what was special about Atlanta's opening or closing. Does anyone remember? Has anyone been watching the commercials with the Phelps swimmer. The U.S. Official Life Guard ad is a hoot! I haven't seen it since the games began. I saw the Statue of Liberty ad on Sunday. I wonder who developed this ad campaign. What a good sense of humor... or is it just people who have kids on swim teams think that one is funny? Bringing this back into costume... did anyone note which country of Islam has a woman swimming? I would love to follow her swimming events. I think I heard it mentioned that the country allowed her to swim because she could wear one of those whole body swim suits. I hope I heard that correctly. The Olympics is on 24/7 in our home. I may have been passing by and misunderstood. My family is really into water sports. So our TVs are on a marathon playtime in every room. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 04:46:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H8kURM025253 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:46:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8jp4d026712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8jnsV045359; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8jlsV045339 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35912ACAC for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p471.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.217]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1F44D3F3 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:45:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ribbon Co. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.hymanhendler.com/ Has anyone dealt with these people? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 04:49:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7H8n1RM026274 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:49:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8mQ4d026852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7H8mQsV046416; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7H8mNsV046375 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040817084818.17084.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:48:18 BST Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:48:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040817013312.017de8a0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I never heard about this and would be very surprised if it were true. I have seen many, many 17th century knit items all over Europe, but crochet??? No. Not seen any. Interesting. Let us know more if you find out more. Nicole --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I met someone who told me that there was a French crocheters guild in the > late 1600s, and that the French caps from the Revolution were all made of > crochet. He claims to have seen an actual one of these caps, and that it > really is crochet, not knitted or woven. Does anyone here know about this? > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! In-Reply-To: <00e601c48434$a1c0cef0$0200a8c0@MOM> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Bringing this back into costume... did anyone note which country of Islam >has a woman swimming? I would love to follow her swimming events. I think >I heard it mentioned that the country allowed her to swim because she could >wear one of those whole body swim suits. I hope I heard that correctly. >The Olympics is on 24/7 in our home. I may have been passing by and >misunderstood. My family is really into water sports. So our TVs are on a >marathon playtime in every room. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom I believe that it was Iran. Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 07:00:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HB0BRM001261 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:00:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HAxW4d003464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:59:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HAxTsV001286; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HAxQsV001223 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:59:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.141.3123cd0b (17079) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <141.3123cd0b.2e533efe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:59:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ribbon Co. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/17/2004 4:46:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: http://www.hymanhendler.com/ I worked at a couple of professional costume shops that dealt with them regularly. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 08:49:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HCnjRM002113 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:49:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HCmx4d008021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HCmnsV048872; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HCmisV048832 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7HDO55c049065 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:24:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7HDO40V049064 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:24:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408171324.i7HDO40V049064@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies In-Reply-To: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90CBE25@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO speaking of which -- inquiring minds want to know ... What exactly *IS* the difference between velvet and velveteen? Susan/ Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 08:56:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HCu5RM002139 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HCtO4d008331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HCtNsV052209; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HCtKsW052183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HCq3tY028901 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:52:03 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41220036.9090109@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:55:18 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies References: <200408171324.i7HDO40V049064@sabre.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <200408171324.i7HDO40V049064@sabre.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: > What exactly *IS* the difference between velvet and velveteen? Whether the fuzzy part comes from weft threads or warp threads, iirc. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent There are a lot of people who don't believe what they read in the newspaper, but will believe any fool thing someone forwards to them in email, including political slanders. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 09:36:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HDaBRM002308 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:36:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HDZV4d010354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HDZTsV071921; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HDZNsV071884 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7HEAi5c049652 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:10:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7HEAieR049651 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408171410.i7HEAieR049651@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vicara / Velveteen supplies In-Reply-To: <41220036.9090109@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Susan Farmer wrote: > > What exactly *IS* the difference between velvet and velveteen? > > Whether the fuzzy part comes from weft threads or warp threads, iirc. oooook. I probably should state that I am a Weaving Idiot -- how can yout tell the difference when you look at them -- or fondle them -- or do you actually have to unravel a cut edge to tell the difference ..... Jerusha/ Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 11:43:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HFhARM007365 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:43:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HFgL4d021121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:42:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HFgHsV058681; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HFgDsV058616 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0230.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.230]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bx66F-0006QO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:42:11 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:42:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e601c48434$a1c0cef0$0200a8c0@MOM> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite ad is (I think!) Sony--athletes doing their thing in formal attire. The fencers are gorgeous, the dresses on the hurdlers float and twist, and the synchronized dive in tuxedos is a real attention grabber. Something very reminiscent of ballet costuming in this, as I find totally appropriate! Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 8/17/04 4:31 AM, Penny Ladnier at penny@costumegallery.com wrote: > > Has anyone been watching the commercials with the Phelps swimmer. The U.S. > Official Life Guard ad is a hoot! I haven't seen it since the games began. > I saw the Statue of Liberty ad on Sunday. I wonder who developed this ad > campaign. What a good sense of humor... or is it just people who have kids > on swim teams think that one is funny? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 11:50:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HFopRM007391 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HFnt4d021917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HFnlsV064250; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HFnhsW064213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7HFptjp018035 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:51:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:57:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040817084818.17084.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040817084818.17084.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408171157.38775.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 17 August 2004 4:48 am, Marquesate wrote: > I never heard about this and would be very surprised if it were true. I > have seen many, many 17th century knit items all over Europe, but > crochet??? No. Not seen any. Interesting. Let us know more if you find out > more. I'd be curious too; it was my understanding that crochet was invented some time during the 19th century. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 12:06:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HG6ORM007512 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:06:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HG5X4d023677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HG5RsV076948; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HG5HsV076773 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1317000 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:05:10 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:05:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ribbon Co. From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 8/17/04 1:45 AM, "otsisto" wrote: > http://www.hymanhendler.com/ > > Has anyone dealt with these people? > > De > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I've never done business on-line with Hyman Hendler but on a shopping trip to Los Angeles three years ago, we visited (stores in L.A. and N.Y.). Lots of trims and ribbons, some exquisite, some incredibly tacky. We got some really good deals talking to the owner or manager -- every sale has to go through him so that the 'girls' who do the cutting don't cheat the company or overcharge the customer. We spent a couple of hours and about $150 each. They have fabrics and lots of tiaras and some feathers in the showroom, as well as the trims. If you go to the L.A. store and the manager gives you a price, write it down. Sometimes the price later was higher sometimes lower, but usually higher by a bit. LynnD Remembering that the showroom felt like Aladdin's cave _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 13:50:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HHojRM008641 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HHni4d005005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HHmcP9060585; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HHknP9059008 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bx82p-000GZx-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:46:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:45:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Costume was: The Olympics and the costumes!! References: <004501c483a7$fd99aae0$547c0f04@brandyscomp> <003301c483e1$f061ad70$0200a8c0@MOM> In-Reply-To: <003301c483e1$f061ad70$0200a8c0@MOM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The problem with that is there are an awful lot of countries with those colour flags - US, Britain, France, Russia, Croatia - and that's without really thinking about it. Jean Penny Ladnier wrote >In the Miss USA pageant and Miss Universe, generally the contestants wear >something with the red, white, and blue, patriotic theme. For Miss USA, the >costumes are along the line for each state. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumeclassroom.com > > >[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners >(http://www.plugit.com)] > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 13:51:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HHpRRM008677 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:51:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HHok4d005212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HHoiP9062772; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HHlKP9059438 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bx83L-000Gf6-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:47:19 +0000 Message-ID: <+hHp+YCDSkIBJwjm@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:46:43 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature References: <412154B2.4070208@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <412154B2.4070208@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I used to know someone who made cloaks interlined with Thinsulate. Wool both sides on the outside, for authenticity, with invisible extra warmth. Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >And if you're not concerned overly much with historical accuracy, I'd >recommend a blankie made out of polar fleece (or one of its >derivatives). I have a couple of them, and they're quite toasty-warm >(use them on my bed at home in the winter, primarily). You can pick up >the polar fleece pretty cheap at the end of the season at JoAnn's. At >least at ours. They grotesquely over-order the stuff on an annual basis. >Oh, and if you were really industrious, you can make sleeping bag >liners out of polar fleece. We did those for an Antarctic expedition >once, at place I used to work for. >--sue > >otsisto wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> The most important thing to keep warm is head coverings, the second extra >> bodies in the tent. I find throwing an extra tarp over the tent at night >> helps insulate the tent and make it warmer. Get off the ground and it will >> be warmer or put lots underneath you. I've seen hail on a july long weekend >> and it was so cold. The layered look is in when the temperature drops I >> hate going to events where there is ice on the water the next day. >> Brin Kendall >> ~~~~~~~ >> A large terrycloth beach towel works well for a blanket for warmth. Also a >> synthetic fur blanket as big as a sleeping bag (or a fake fur cloak. Line >> the sleeping bag, fur facing you, so that you have fur under you and over >> you. >> De > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 14:03:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HI3NRM008815 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:03:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HI2d4d006760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HI2bP9072235; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HI1QP9071397 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i7HI1M2G023204; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UROPORTABLE (dhcp073157.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i7HI1KBA011550; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012c01c48484$336c46a0$9d496b8c@UROPORTABLE> From: "Agnes" To: References: <200408171543.i7HFh0sX059194@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:01:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: penny@costumegallery.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume for Islamic swimmer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny - I think it was Pakistan, I have recorded the opening ceremonies on Hard Drive (Like tivo but not) and will make a DVD of the opening and closing ceremonies (minus the commercials unless any of the commercials have good costumes) and save it. I just got the machine so if the DVDs it makes are playable on other machines I could share - I don't know all the ins and outs of the machine yet so I can't promise anything yet. However, I will cue forward and see if it was Pakistan with the woman swimmer or Iran. Agnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 657 > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:31:45 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <00e601c48434$a1c0cef0$0200a8c0@MOM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bringing this back into costume... did anyone note which country of Islam > has a woman swimming? I would love to follow her swimming events. I think > I heard it mentioned that the country allowed her to swim because she could > wear one of those whole body swim suits. I hope I heard that correctly. > The Olympics is on 24/7 in our home. I may have been passing by and > misunderstood. My family is really into water sports. So our TVs are on a > marathon playtime in every room. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 14:39:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HIdSRM009049 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HIcb4d010680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:38:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HIcUP9000390; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f24.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HIcOP9000246 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:38:17 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.89 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:38:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.89] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:38:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 18:38:17.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CF347D0:01C48489] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://pages.ivillage.com/cindy_roberts/crochet/id10.html http://www.fiber-images.com/Free_Things/Articles/history_of_crochet.htm http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/crochet-FAQ.html Here three rather interesting links. Wilhelminai >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:35:21 -0700 > >I met someone who told me that there was a French crocheters guild in the >late 1600s, and that the French caps from the Revolution were all made of >crochet. He claims to have seen an actual one of these caps, and that it >really is crochet, not knitted or woven. Does anyone here know about this? > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 14:39:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HIdlRM009053 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HId34d010731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HId1P9000769; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f29.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HIcPP9000255 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:38:17 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.89 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:38:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.89] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:38:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 18:38:17.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CF14C00:01C48489] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://pages.ivillage.com/cindy_roberts/crochet/id10.html http://www.fiber-images.com/Free_Things/Articles/history_of_crochet.htm http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/crochet-FAQ.html Here three rather interesting links. Wilhelminai >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:35:21 -0700 > >I met someone who told me that there was a French crocheters guild in the >late 1600s, and that the French caps from the Revolution were all made of >crochet. He claims to have seen an actual one of these caps, and that it >really is crochet, not knitted or woven. Does anyone here know about this? > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 15:26:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HJQiRM009343 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HJJi4d014808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HJJXP9031705; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HJJQP9031623 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4572BF74 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p007.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.9]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19652C553 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040817055712.00b1aa30@pop.fuse.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- >Bringing this back into costume... did anyone note which country of Islam >has a woman swimming? I believe that it was Iran. Jennifer ~~~~~~~ Huh, I thought it was Iraq. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 15:28:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HJSfRM009361 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HJKO4d014875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HJKOP9032413; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HJJSP9031662 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540C42BF74 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p007.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.9]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6780AC553 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Costume was: The Olympics and the costumes!! Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As long as they don't do striped jackets and look like a barbershop quartet. -----Original Message----- The problem with that is there are an awful lot of countries with those colour flags - US, Britain, France, Russia, Croatia - and that's without really thinking about it. Jean Penny Ladnier wrote >In the Miss USA pageant and Miss Universe, generally the contestants wear >something with the red, white, and blue, patriotic theme. For Miss USA, the >costumes are along the line for each state. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumeclassroom.com > > >[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners >(http://www.plugit.com)] > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 16:42:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HKgjRM009792 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HKfa4d023118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HKdmP9096138; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HKdiP9095988 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871D715DC7 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume for Islamicswimmer Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:39:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <012c01c48484$336c46a0$9d496b8c@UROPORTABLE> Thread-Index: AcSEhGSBgmZSuYHPSoyE0q/frB/TmwAFcU6Q Message-Id: <20040817203929.871D715DC7@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Agnes- if it works I would be interested in seeing them. I missed the opening ceremonies due to in-laws visiting (had to pick them up at the airport at that time) and would love to see what everyone is talking about. -Megan megan @ benchite.com (delete the spaces) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Agnes Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 2:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: penny@costumegallery.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume for Islamicswimmer Penny - I think it was Pakistan, I have recorded the opening ceremonies on Hard Drive (Like tivo but not) and will make a DVD of the opening and closing ceremonies (minus the commercials unless any of the commercials have good costumes) and save it. I just got the machine so if the DVDs it makes are playable on other machines I could share - I don't know all the ins and outs of the machine yet so I can't promise anything yet. However, I will cue forward and see if it was Pakistan with the woman swimmer or Iran. Agnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 657 > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:31:45 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <00e601c48434$a1c0cef0$0200a8c0@MOM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bringing this back into costume... did anyone note which country of Islam > has a woman swimming? I would love to follow her swimming events. I think > I heard it mentioned that the country allowed her to swim because she could > wear one of those whole body swim suits. I hope I heard that correctly. > The Olympics is on 24/7 in our home. I may have been passing by and > misunderstood. My family is really into water sports. So our TVs are on a > marathon playtime in every room. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 19:04:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7HN4fRM010522 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:04:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HN3v4d013551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HN2dP9004891; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HN2XP9004839 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-67-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.153]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7HN2OCd014115 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:02:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040817155628.01a73a90@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:02:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] 17th century French crochet??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://pages.ivillage.com/cindy_roberts/crochet/id10.html repeats rumors, no documentation >http://www.fiber-images.com/Free_Things/Articles/history_of_crochet.htm repeats same rumors, still no documentation >http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/crochet-FAQ.html explains possible origins of rumors above CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 20:32:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I0WqRM010936 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:32:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I0WB4d020167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I0UwP9051357; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I0UuP9051319 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m122.in-tch.com [216.166.191.122]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7I0USt00402 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4122A439.1060300@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:35:05 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT re:flowers/ temperature References: <412154B2.4070208@in-tch.com> <+hHp+YCDSkIBJwjm@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+hHp+YCDSkIBJwjm@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've heard of that, too. I think it would be especially useful for those people who get cold easily. Not me, luckily enough! I'm just about always warm or too warm! --sue Jean Waddie wrote: > I used to know someone who made cloaks interlined with Thinsulate. Wool > both sides on the outside, for authenticity, with invisible extra warmth. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 21:58:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I1wvRM012079 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I1wC4d025275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I1utP9090381; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I1uqP9090367 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp105.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.105]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I1ufSp019229 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:56:51 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20040817214643.00adf840@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:02:39 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: david webb Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French fall/faille shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7I1wvRM012079 Status: RO Hello everyone: Back to a previous topic, regarding "French fall shoes in the 17th and 18c." according to: Dyche, Thomas. Nouveau dictionnaire universel des arts et des sciences, françois, latin et anglois, ... Traduit de l'anglois de Thomas Dyche, ... Avignon, 1756. 579pp. Vol. 2 of 2 (2 vols. available).Literature and Language mentions "taffetas a failles" which computes with my modern"Petite Robert" which states that the origin of "faille" is from "taffetas a failles". Sheridan Alder _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 17 23:52:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I3qoRM013499 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I3q34d002919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I3oiP9042172; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I3ogP9042148 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C8A2BF16 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p109.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.111]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EEC84C4AD for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:50:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040817203929.871D715DC7@mail03.powweb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am amazed at the one US and one of the French male swimmers swim pants. They seem to defy gravity. They looks like they're ready to fall off. And you'd think that when they dive in that the pants would role down or come off. Really, one more inch down and you would probably get to see the family jewels. :) What do people think about the Women's Gymnastic teams outfits? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 18 00:41:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I4fBRM013946 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:41:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I4eK4d005856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I4d6P9086809; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I4d2P9086779 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABD420EA00FE; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:32:20 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB7E194016E; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:30:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c484dd$12e6a200$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:37:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Theater Rock, concerts and a play X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7I4fBRM013946 Status: RO Recently we went to an Alice Cooper concert. My first time seeing his concert. It was very theatrical just like in the 1970s. He had a lot of his stunts from the Welcome to My Nightmare tour from the 1970s. I had ordered a DVD of the Nightmare tour and the 2002 tour (which seems a lot like the current tour). My son talked with the crew and they could not use several of the 1970s stunts at our venue like the hanging himself because the stage was too small. Has anyone seen the current tour and did they use these stunts? My question, what song did Alice use the hanging stunt? My son said he saw all the rigging for the stunts on the semi-trucks. We really enjoyed the concert... not a dull moment. The audience had a wonderful time and several young adults and teenagers came with their Alice makeup. On the Nightmare DVD, there is a 25 min. interview with Alice. He gives a lot of history of the band and his inspiration. Alice said Disney designed the costumes for the Nightmare tour. I had to giggle... remembering Disney's image in the 1970s. Some of the costumes that I really enjoyed was the black light skeleton costumes and the black widow spiders with the big spider web. If you want to catch the Alice Tour, you can see a schedule at: http://www.alicecooper.com/ If you want to purchase the DVD of the concerts, I found new DVDs at amazon.com through their used vendors. They were very reasonably priced. My son was really heart broken that he didn't get to work the Alice show. The day before he worked from noon to 3 a.m., cueing lights in the catwalks for a play for the city, and couldn't take phone calls. His boss for the lighting company called me several times trying to get Pat to work with him for the Alice show. And the venue production crew was calling, wanting him to work as a roadie for the concert. When we returned home after the concert, he talked with his lighting boss on AOL IM. His lighting boss spent the day with Alice's band rigging the stunts and dressing the band in the costumes. Pat was about to cry when he was told this. I spent the next day trying to convince Pat that Alice Cooper will be around for a few more years and maybe he will get to work the show one day. I really felt bad for him because some of the stunts, like in the West Side Story, and Only Women Bleed songs, were very similar to the ones Pat rigged for his Macbeth play last May. He would have had such fun. Pat's career this summer has been full of decisions... This past weekend, he had to turn down working the Bob Dylan / Willie Nelson concert because he was already committed to working the Marshall Tucker Band concert in DC. Mike T. and Albert Cat, we are really interested in hearing your advice on juggling shows that you really want to work but can't because of prior commitments. Do you back out of less interesting jobs? We were trying to think of future bookings... Pat really don't want to tick off some venues, but Alice Cooper, Bob Dylan, & Willie Nelson look a lot better on a resume than a play for the city. What are your thoughts on it. What do you do when opportunities like this happen? BTW, to a historical costume note... Pat's last play in our area (until next summer) was The Bridegroom Robber. Has anyone seen this play before? It is set in Mississippi pre-ACW and about the Natchez Trace. It was so funny! They really did a good job of costuming the nude lead actress. The body suit made her look like Eve. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 18 01:11:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I5BsRM014073 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:11:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5B74d008265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I59sP9001993; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I59qP9001908 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A309327000CE; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:03:05 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2B325A01F4; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c484e1$5e47fa60$0200a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:08:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO De, I have seen at swim meets the boys loose their pants. It is so funny, someone has to retrieve their pants for them... and they pray it isn't a girl. They seem to lose them mid-pool. If you watch carefully right before the swimmer presses their goggles on their eyes, they pull the trunks' strings really tight and tie them. I've been to many swim meets and seen the ritual. The beginners to 6th grade don't want to tie the trunks until an accident happens on their team. By the time they reach 13 y.o. they have learned their lesson to tie them and check everytime before diving. Now if you want to drop your jaw... the price for those biker style pants for males, is about $30-40. I can't recall how much the full suits go for, but they are really, really expensive. For those who don't have swim team kids... have you noticed the lack of hair on the men's body? Some swimmers shave their entire body hair right before their event. Some shave several times a day. The hair causes drag and can cost the swimmer's hundredths of a second. A hundredth of a second really counts when looking at the finishing times of the U.S & Australia's men's relay time tonight. The drag is good to practice in, but not in competition. Some coaches will put pantyhose on the swimmers in practice to create drag. I couldn't believe Klete beat the Torpedo in the men's freestyle relay tonight. It was so exciting, everyone in my house was cheering. Klete worked his butt off! The other days, Klete has come in second place twice. I like the Romanian gymnast girls' costume best. Boy, they were flying on the floor exercises tonight!!!!! WOW! They deserved the gold medal! Other costume note... why are some of the women swimmers wearing two swim caps? One is the standard tight cap and the outer cap seems to be made of rubber or heavy latex. But it is not as form fitting to the head. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 18 01:23:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I5N3RM014100 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5MK4d009045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5L7P9007289; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5L5P9007234 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from deforce@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA07371 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:24:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "paul Cooper" To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:21:02 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4122e73e.5cfc.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.125.156 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thanks For the help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To all those whom responded to my question on braies thankyou. Paul Cooper ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 18 01:25:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I5PWRM014104 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5Os4d009302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5NIP9008312; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5MuP9008149 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15806 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:29:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:29:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume In-Reply-To: <005f01c484e1$5e47fa60$0200a8c0@MOM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Penny Ladnier wrote: > For those who don't have swim team kids... have you noticed the lack > of hair on the men's body? Some swimmers shave their entire body hair > right before their event. When I was in high school, my school's top sport was swimming. The team got a lot of attention and support, and the players developed a number of rituals to boost their morale and confidence (pre-game inspirational quotes, chants, and the like). One year, when the team was having a really good season, the entire team shaved their heads. This was in the mid-1970s, and shaved heads on young men were practically unheard of; most guys would as soon as cut off their head as their hair. We had an article in the school paper about it, and I remember one of the team members explaining that he was going to go for a close cut, and then he just decided to shave it all off, and had one of his teammates do it during a team meeting ... and his teammates then decided on the spot to follow suit. It was a huge bonding experience, apparently. It made the team members very visible, and demonstrated to everyone (including themselves) just how serious they were. I have no idea if there was any real improvement in swim times based on lack of drag, or if that was just a myth, but whatever the case, they credited that step in part with their success that year -- they won the state championship. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 18 01:37:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I5bRRM014178 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:37:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5al4d009823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5ZZP9014135; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I5ZYP9014110 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DB42C057 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:35:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p543.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.213.36]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 125DFC5D3 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:35:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:35:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <005f01c484e1$5e47fa60$0200a8c0@MOM> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- De, I have seen at swim meets the boys loose their pants. It is so funny, someone has to retrieve their pants for them... and they pray it isn't a girl. They seem to lose them mid-pool. If you watch carefully right before the swimmer presses their goggles on their eyes, they pull the trunks' strings really tight and tie them. I've been to many swim meets and seen the ritual. The beginners to 6th grade don't want to tie the trunks until an accident happens on their team. By the time they reach 13 y.o. they have learned their lesson to tie them and check everytime before diving. Now if you want to drop your jaw... the price for those biker style pants for males, is about $30-40. I can't recall how much the full suits go for, but they are really, really expensive. For those who don't have swim team kids... have you noticed the lack of hair on the men's body? Some swimmers shave their entire body hair right before their event. Some shave several times a day. The hair causes drag and can cost the swimmer's hundredths of a second. A hundredth of a second really counts when looking at the finishing times of the U.S & Australia's men's relay time tonight. The drag is good to practice in, but not in competition. Some coaches will put pantyhose on the swimmers in practice to create drag. I couldn't believe Klete beat the Torpedo in the men's freestyle relay tonight. It was so exciting, everyone in my house was cheering. Klete worked his butt off! The other days, Klete has come in second place twice. (snip) Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom ~~~~~~ Some are known to get waxed. And for the serious swimmers lazer hair removal. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 18 03:13:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7I7DSRM008632 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 03:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I7Ci4d014691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I7BOP9058968; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I7BLP9058927 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C3F16AB8 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040818001014.02481008@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:11:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ribbon Co. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi LynnD, Where was this store located in LA? Was it in the fashion district? I keep missing all the great trim stores it seems. Kimiko At 09:05 AM 8/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: >On 8/17/04 1:45 AM, "otsisto" wrote: > > > http://www.hymanhendler.com/ > > > > Has anyone dealt with these people? > > > > De > > >I've never done business on-line with Hyman Hendler but on a shopping trip >to Los Angeles three years ago, we visited (stores in L.A. and N.Y.). Lots >of trims and ribbons, some exquisite, some incredibly tacky. We got some >really good deals talking to the owner or manager -- every sale has to go >through him so that the 'girls' who do the cutting don't cheat the company >or overcharge the customer. We spent a couple of hours and about $150 each. >They have fabrics and lots of tiaras and some feathers in the showroom, as >well as the trims. > >If you go to the L.A. store and the manager gives you a price, write it >down. Sometimes the price later was higher sometimes lower, but usually >higher by a bit. > >LynnD >Remembering that the showroom felt like Aladdin's cave _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 11:42:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JFgNm1017683 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7J9V94d006637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7J9UvP9096522; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7J9UtP9096500 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:29:44 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shropshire [WAS: Are you all sleaping or waching To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C3948@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Shropshire [WAS: Are you all sleaping or waching Thread-Index: AcSFTcofxsR6lN4xRGKtvtLLxRJQQAAgMSUg content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kate, > What a coincidence! We sing at St. Laurence, Ludlow (the > church with the high tower), but stay in holiday flats at > Hesterworth near Aston-on-Clun, a few miles from Craven Arms. Is that the big house up on the hillside? I think that's where we stayed a couple of times when we were workign the Christmas Craft Faire at Ludlow Castle a few years ago. > We go every year and love the area. I was there in May too, > when our early music group was booked to plat ay Stokesay Castle. We were at Stokesay last week on Tuesday. I love that palce and wanted to take it home with me. They had a re-enactment group/event there on the Wednesday but we had other plans that day. We averaged a castle a day. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 13:24:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JHOYiS018256 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IMhY4d028081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IMhTP9076779; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IMhRP9076757 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:43:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808A629ED7 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:43:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p207.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.209]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E998D41F for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:43:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~Original~ Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but only for the women, sadly!) Jean -- Jean Waddie ______________________________ I had forgot about that. I was wondering who would have a northern exposure. The women were periodically pulling them down into place. Question, do you have to be a size b cup or smaller to be an athlete in the Olympics? I guess if they were any bigger it would hamper your performance. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 13:24:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JHOYiU018256 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IL5l4d019392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IL5bP9095550; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IL5VP9095370 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxXca-0003ie-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:05:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:05:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cindy Abel wrote > > > > >Or perhaps it is in the construction or perhaps some kind of adhesive tape? >Always have been amazed some male diver hasn't lost his suit. Or it happens >more often than we think and we don't see it on TV due to editing? > As to the women's gymnastic leotards, sparkly spandex still seems to be the >rule, although the Russian women's leotards for the team final were of a >more matte fabric and rather sharp with the higher necks and red on white >warm-up suits. > >I wouldn't be suprised if athletes at Olympic level all have custom >"couture" suits, after all, top figure skaters in the U.S. have custom-made >skating costumes. We've come a long way from Peggy Fleming's mother-made >costumes to Vera Wang couture in that area, not always an improvement, IMHO. > >Might be a thesis for someone in the group: One hundred years of athletic >costume development for swimmers, gymnasts, and figure skaters: Effect of >technology and asthetics on fit, apppearance, and performance. > >Or > >Sequins and spandex: Deduction or enhancement of scores in the >subjectively-judged sports of gymnastics and figure-skating--a social >history > >Cindy Abel > > Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but only for the women, sadly!) Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 15:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JJZtbY019978 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGpW4d024648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:51:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGpSP9078253; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGpOP9078156 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07578 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:51:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or perhaps it is in the construction or perhaps some kind of adhesive tape? Always have been amazed some male diver hasn't lost his suit. Or it happens more often than we think and we don't see it on TV due to editing? As to the women's gymnastic leotards, sparkly spandex still seems to be the rule, although the Russian women's leotards for the team final were of a more matte fabric and rather sharp with the higher necks and red on white warm-up suits. I wouldn't be suprised if athletes at Olympic level all have custom "couture" suits, after all, top figure skaters in the U.S. have custom-made skating costumes. We've come a long way from Peggy Fleming's mother-made costumes to Vera Wang couture in that area, not always an improvement, IMHO. Might be a thesis for someone in the group: One hundred years of athletic costume development for swimmers, gymnasts, and figure skaters: Effect of technology and asthetics on fit, apppearance, and performance. Or Sequins and spandex: Deduction or enhancement of scores in the subjectively-judged sports of gymnastics and figure-skating--a social history Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 15:35:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JJZtba019978 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGED4d021049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGEAP9048239; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGE8P9048206 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.25] (p09.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.25]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7IGD6G17745 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:13:07 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040818001014.02481008@64.87.54.245> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040818001014.02481008@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <14CD30DA-F132-11D8-AB1E-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ribbon Co. Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:17:20 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It used to be, as I recall, at the south end of the garment district, sort of away from the rest of the fabric stores. That was over a decade ago, though, that I lived in L.A. Not sure if it moved. Sylrog On Aug 18, 2004, at 1:11 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi LynnD, > > Where was this store located in LA? Was it in the fashion district? I > keep missing all the great trim stores it seems. > > Kimiko > > > > At 09:05 AM 8/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: >> On 8/17/04 1:45 AM, "otsisto" wrote: >> >> > http://www.hymanhendler.com/ >> > >> > Has anyone dealt with these people? >> > >> > De >> >> >> I've never done business on-line with Hyman Hendler but on a shopping >> trip >> to Los Angeles three years ago, we visited (stores in L.A. and N.Y.). >> Lots >> of trims and ribbons, some exquisite, some incredibly tacky. We got >> some >> really good deals talking to the owner or manager -- every sale has >> to go >> through him so that the 'girls' who do the cutting don't cheat the >> company >> or overcharge the customer. We spent a couple of hours and about $150 >> each. >> They have fabrics and lots of tiaras and some feathers in the >> showroom, as >> well as the trims. >> >> If you go to the L.A. store and the manager gives you a price, write >> it >> down. Sometimes the price later was higher sometimes lower, but >> usually >> higher by a bit. >> >> LynnD >> Remembering that the showroom felt like Aladdin's cave > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 15:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JJZtbW019978 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:35:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IG9g4d020541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:09:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IG9aP9044433; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IG9YP9044346 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1320596 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:09:28 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:09:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter swam for a high school team the past three years and that's the state-of-the-art outfit to defy drag. The guys all seem to wear their trunks or pants that low. Never saw one fall off or roll down. I think the swimmers are so tightly muscled there's no fat layer to give enough squish space for the pants to move. Don't notice the gymnasts' outfits. LynnD On 8/17/04 8:50 PM, "otsisto" wrote: > I am amazed at the one US and one of the French male swimmers swim pants. > They seem to defy gravity. They looks like they're ready to fall off. And > you'd think that when they dive in that the pants would role down or come > off. Really, one more inch down and you would probably get to see the family > jewels. :) > > What do people think about the Women's Gymnastic teams outfits? > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 15:35:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JJZtbc019978 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGPb4d022141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGPXP9057136; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IGP7P9056669 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LDownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1320664 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:24:59 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:24:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ribbon Co. From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040818001014.02481008@64.87.54.245> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko and all, Sorry I can't help you there. I wasn't driving and it was three years ago. It seemed WAY out of the downtown area in a warehouse district -- but we had done Costume College and three days of shopping already. We were actually leaving downtown and driving home and decided to just "make a quick stop to see what it was like." Two hours we left knowing that we'd never get home before 2 am. It was worth it though; we had a great time and spent almost $300 between the two of us. I had three bags of fabric and trim and lace. I think you'll just need to get the address and directions for next time you're down there. That's what we do; we Google map all the places we want to find and compare that to our Thomas' Guide. Best of luck, LynnD On 8/18/04 12:11 AM, "Kimiko Small" wrote: > Hi LynnD, > > Where was this store located in LA? Was it in the fashion district? I keep > missing all the great trim stores it seems. > > Kimiko > > > > At 09:05 AM 8/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: >> On 8/17/04 1:45 AM, "otsisto" wrote: >> >>> http://www.hymanhendler.com/ >>> >>> Has anyone dealt with these people? >>> >>> De >> >> >> I've never done business on-line with Hyman Hendler but on a shopping trip >> to Los Angeles three years ago, we visited (stores in L.A. and N.Y.). Lots >> of trims and ribbons, some exquisite, some incredibly tacky. We got some >> really good deals talking to the owner or manager -- every sale has to go >> through him so that the 'girls' who do the cutting don't cheat the company >> or overcharge the customer. We spent a couple of hours and about $150 each. >> They have fabrics and lots of tiaras and some feathers in the showroom, as >> well as the trims. >> >> If you go to the L.A. store and the manager gives you a price, write it >> down. Sometimes the price later was higher sometimes lower, but usually >> higher by a bit. >> >> LynnD >> Remembering that the showroom felt like Aladdin's cave > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 16:49:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7JKn1AG020364 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7JKm24d001109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7JKlbP9022382; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7JKl2P9021834 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.162] (pm5-162.eos.net [205.133.149.162]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7JKkvxu029425 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:46:58 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:43:46 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408191801.i7JI1NPA094466@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 661 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 8/19/04 2:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only > sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but > only for the women, sadly!) Is that true? I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently requires women to compete nearly naked. Part of me thinks it's incredibly insulting. But when I was in Florida this year, I saw lots of (very good) beach volleyball teams playing, and that's what the women really wore. In fact, that's what everyone wore. I was the only woman I saw who weighed less than 250 pounds and wore a one-piece suit. After a couple of days you don't even notice that EVERYONE is wearing a bikini, including many, many people who shouldn't be! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 21:09:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K191us021986 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:09:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K17r4d001661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K17bP9093334; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K17XP9093303 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerowyn@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.78.187.dial1.stlouis1.level3.net ([4.245.78.187] helo=Dan) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BxxsS-0006L7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <02f101c48652$e00b6560$bb4ef504@Dan> From: "Genie" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:13:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As a child we made the hollyhock ladies (as we called them) by taking an open blossom and a bud and connenting them with a toothpick. Then you take a bowl of water and float them on it. Summer fun, along with clover flower bracelets and necklaces. Snow fallen on snow, and this evening, the full moon of November Basho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers > > On a craft show I saw once... they were making small costumed ladies > that > > hung as a decoration from atop window. The skirts from silk flowers. > The > > bodice was made with the silk flower buds. They were so cute. I > have > > thought about making them for the picture window in my office. Their > heads > > were made from wooden beads. The instructions must be on the HGTV or > DYI > > website. > > Funny you should mention that. When I was home with the broken foot a > couple of weeks ago I got hooked on the Carol Duvall show and they did > something like this. Found the episode on the website: > > > http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/cr_dolls/article/0,1789,HGTV_3242_2248412,00.html > > Catherine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 23:47:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K3kxeI023336 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:47:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K3jw4d012835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K3jhP9065395; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K3jdP9065304 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.78]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7K3jPGJ018957 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:45:27 +1000 Message-ID: <004801c48668$0d0ea1c0$4e93d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:36:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Sequins and spandex: Deduction or enhancement of scores in the > >subjectively-judged sports of gymnastics and figure-skating--a social > >history > > > >Cindy Abel > > > > > Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only > sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but > only for the women, sadly!) > > Jean Of course Irish dancing costumes are in there too, put sequins on every available surface in hopes that the judges will be blinded by reflected glare at the moment you make a mistake. I've never been involved in Irish dancing myself but a friend has been taking on a lot of Irish Dancing comissions recently and whenever I visit her house I see some hideously sparkly dress. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 19 23:47:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K3lBuN023339 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:47:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K3kY4d012883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K3kXP9065772; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K3kLP9065635 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elizabeth@alabasterstyle.com) Received: from Elizabeth ([64.229.24.88]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040820034446.PBPH1635.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@Elizabeth> for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:44:46 -0400 From: "Alabaster" To: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Trim shops, fabric stores & costume books in Paris? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all- I have the good fortune to be going to Paris in a couple of weeks. As well as doing modern fashion things, going to the Pręt a Porter shows, I would absolutely love to do some serious costume-related shopping. Does anyone know of any good new &/or vintage trim or fabric shops? I'd also love to find some vintage clothing shops that aren't too pricey (i.e. not big name designers). I think I know of most of the good places to actually see historic costume but if anyone knows of any spots a little bit off the beaten track I'd be very grateful to hear of them too. And of course, I'm going with money allocated for buying costume books, again new or second hand would be great! Does anyone know of someone who deals in antique/vintage fashion magazines? I'm particularly interested in early 20th century up until 1929. My main areas of interest are European(mainly French) - Rococo, Empire & early 20th century (art deco etc). Thanks in advance Elizabeth elizabeth@alabasterstyle.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 00:47:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K4lob7023863 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:47:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I9xf4d025814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 03:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I9wRP9032593; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 03:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I9wPP9032340 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 03:58:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i7I9wkP19202.; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:58:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:57:48 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:57:35 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shropshire [WAS: Are you all sleaping or waching olympicgames?] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Teddy, What a coincidence! We sing at St. Laurence, Ludlow (the church with the high tower), but stay in holiday flats at Hesterworth near Aston-on-Clun, a few miles from Craven Arms. We go every year and love the area. I was there in May too, when our early music group was booked to plat ay Stokesay Castle. Kate >>> Teddy@mdx.ac.uk 17/08/2004 09:26:17 >>> Hi Kate, > Well, I've been off-list for a week while away from my > computer in rural Shropshire, singing church music with a > group of friends and birdwatching - sounds as though I > haven't missed much! What part of Shropshire? I just got back from a week there myself - camping in a small villiage just outside Craven Arms and doing an average of a castle a day with my godchildren and their parents. We need to go back, however, one week isn't enough. 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 03:40:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K7esJM025246 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:40:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFvk4d019553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFvhP9035290; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop2a.ripco.com (root@pop2a.ripco.com [209.100.227.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFvbP9035186 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zski@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (tcr109.dynip.ripco.net [209.100.226.109]) by pop2a.ripco.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFvWHp025986 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:57:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <41237C69.6050903@ripco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:57:29 -0500 From: zski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Olympics and the costumes!! References: <200408180522.i7I5MXPB007987@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200408180522.i7I5MXPB007987@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooh ooh ooh - I'd be interested in a DVD too! I missed them due to traveling. I still have the Albertville ones on tape, and periodically pull them out for amusement. The performer costumes looked like Dr. Seuss on major drugs! Wendy Z looking at a pile of faire laundry in Chicago, IL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 03:40:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K7esJO025246 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:40:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFZ64d017139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFYsP9016504; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFYoP9016376 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E892F18030C9 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:34:43 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Aug 2004 15:31:57 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CACF7CA082; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:31:56 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:31:56 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:31:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040818153156.CACF7CA082@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > For those who don't have swim team kids... have you noticed the lack > > of hair on the men's body? Some swimmers shave their entire body hair > > right before their event. > I have no idea if there was any real > improvement in swim times based on lack of drag, or if that was just a > myth, but whatever the case, they credited that step in part with their > success that year -- they won the state championship. I used to competitive swim and play water polo before a capsular retraction on my right shoulder seriously messed up my Olympic plans. Frankly, the benefit from shaving is purely psychological, you feel like you're swimming faster because the water moves differently over your body after you've removed the hair. I've had discussions with various coaches about the subject and it jest seems to be one of thoe common myths but can be useful because what is happening in your head is the most important part of the race. As for training, we all wore what we called "drag suits", which basically means wearing your old stretched out saggy suit over a better fitting suit to create drag. When it comes time to compete you wear your newest which we always bought at least two sizes too small, they fit like a second skin that way and eliminated excess drag. Mind you, until the new suits stretched out a bit, they weren't comfortable to be in for long periods of time. Anyway, just my two cents worth. Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 03:40:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K7esJQ025246 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:40:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFa54d017267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFa4P9017475; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7IFYtP9016439 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C836B18004A8 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:34:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Aug 2004 15:32:01 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6632DC612B; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:32:00 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:32:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040818153200.6632DC612B@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > For those who don't have swim team kids... have you noticed the lack > > of hair on the men's body? Some swimmers shave their entire body hair > > right before their event. > I have no idea if there was any real > improvement in swim times based on lack of drag, or if that was just a > myth, but whatever the case, they credited that step in part with their > success that year -- they won the state championship. I used to competitive swim and play water polo before a capsular retraction on my right shoulder seriously messed up my Olympic plans. Frankly, the benefit from shaving is purely psychological, you feel like you're swimming faster because the water moves differently over your body after you've removed the hair. I've had discussions with various coaches about the subject and it jest seems to be one of thoe common myths but can be useful because what is happening in your head is the most important part of the race. As for training, we all wore what we called "drag suits", which basically means wearing your old stretched out saggy suit over a better fitting suit to create drag. When it comes time to compete you wear your newest which we always bought at least two sizes too small, they fit like a second skin that way and eliminated excess drag. Mind you, until the new suits stretched out a bit, they weren't comfortable to be in for long periods of time. Anyway, just my two cents worth. Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 04:10:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7K8AYtS004755 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:10:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K89l4d027321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K89dP9082123; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7K89ZP9081949 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i7K8ADP27399.; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:10:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:09:14 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:08:56 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not heard of the hollyhock one, but I used to make dolls from poppies. You tie back the petals with a blade of grass, so the fluffy black centre makes the doll's head. Then you cut off the stem a little way below the "skirt", stick another length of stem up to make a second leg, and push one through the "bodice" to make arms. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> kerowyn@mindspring.com 20/08/2004 02:13:16 >>> As a child we made the hollyhock ladies (as we called them) by taking an open blossom and a bud and connenting them with a toothpick. Then you take a bowl of water and float them on it. Summer fun, along with clover flower bracelets and necklaces. Snow fallen on snow, and this evening, the full moon of November Basho - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 16:56:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KKuPkq028645 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:56:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KKtO4d027366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KKtEP9032397; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KKtCP9032291 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 150D918013A0 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:55:07 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 20 Aug 2004 20:55:06 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BD82FC611C; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:55:06 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:55:06 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:55:06 +0000 X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040820205506.BD82FC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or just a super quiet day or two on the list... Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 17:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KL7hFl028717 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KL6e4d028554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KL6bP9040602; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KL6VP9040549 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from queenscorner@verizon.net) Received: from brandyscomp ([4.15.124.84]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040820210630.IKER28868.out004.verizon.net@brandyscomp> for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:06:30 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c486f9$926b9800$547c0f04@brandyscomp> From: "Brandy Deming" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040820205506.BD82FC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:06:32 -0700 Organization: Better Times for Small Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.15.124.84] at Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:06:30 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO think it's just quiet. Lord knows I've been having way too many personal issues to gab. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? > Greetings, > > I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or just a super quiet day or two on the list... > > Cheers, > Danielle > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 17:36:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KLafpm028880 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLZZ4d001502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLZVP9061466; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLZQP9061394 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7KMB35c086322 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7KMB3fN086321 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408202211.i7KMB3fN086321@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? In-Reply-To: <20040820205506.BD82FC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Greetings, > > I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or just a super quiet day or two on the list... My guess is that it's just quite. Depending on the SCA contingent on this list maybe they went to PA for the last weekend of Pennsic -- or they are at a local Pennsic Pity Party event. Jerusha/ Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 17:58:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KLw8pO029007 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:58:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLQ04d000552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLPuP9054918; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLPsP9054814 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1E2641801B6E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:25:49 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 20 Aug 2004 21:25:49 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 06916E5BC7; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:25:48 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:25:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040820212549.06916E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Although that is a relief for me, I'm sorry you're having problems. It seems to be that time of year because nearly all of my friends are. Cheers, Danielle > think it's just quiet. Lord knows I've been having way too many personal > issues to gab. > > B -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 17:59:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KLxO0V029014 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:59:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLwF4d003495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLvmP9076461; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KLvVP9076238 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-014ilchicp0022.dialsprint.net ([65.176.136.22] helo=office) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByHO6-0006UU-OC for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c48700$99920590$1688b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:55:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de26838830acb7600cdc2905595f8018d32a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.136.22 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7KLxO0V029014 Status: RO Well, since it's quiet, we can have our own party. Can one of you can tell me where I can get a pattern similar to the Ascot dress that Audrey Hepburn wore? Do any of the standard commercial companies produce a hat pattern that goes with that dress? Meg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 18:28:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KMSo4Z029121 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:28:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KMRu4d006357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KMRrP9095558; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7KMRoP9095530 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 39339 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2004 22:27:49 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2004 22:27:49 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <41267B27.9040404@footworkmedia.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:28:55 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quietness X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. Thanks, Stuart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 19:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KNFaSL029286 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:15:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNEW4d010130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNECP9022943; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNE8P9022870 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E3ABF1801FC0 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:14:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 20 Aug 2004 23:14:02 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7DAA73384B; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.66] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:14:02 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:14:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] question X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.66 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040820231402.7DAA73384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, I'm always up for a party. No, sorry, no idea but I do love that outfit. As for the hat...after I take my millinery course (which I can hardly wait for!), I might be able to make if for you. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > Well, since it's quiet, we can have our own party. > > Can one of you can tell me where I can get a pattern similar to the Ascot dress that Audrey Hepburn wore? Do any of the standard commercial companies produce a hat pattern that goes with that dress? > > Meg -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 19:24:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7KNOqPM029331 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:24:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNNh4d010828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNNgP9028159; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNNfP9028103 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 64A831800565 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:23:36 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 20 Aug 2004 23:23:36 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 428A8E5BC7; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:23:36 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:23:36 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:23:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me too. : ) Great. Sewing is a great hobby. As for getting into it, it would help if we knew more about your likes, dislikes, hand sewing or machine sewing, time periods or styles you are interested in, etc... If we can narrow it down a bit, we are more likely to have useful suggestions. : ) Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. > > So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. > > I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. > > Thanks, > Stuart > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 20:00:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7L007HZ029448 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:00:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNx14d013359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7KNwtP9044899; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7KNwqP9044837 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040820235847.98208.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:58:47 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41267B27.9040404@footworkmedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I suggest that you first discover what gives you inspriation in sewing. If youa re one that likes practicality, look around and do home projects....nesw curtains, quilt for the bed...nothing fancy. Experiement with cheap patterns and if something gets you excited, then you know that you have hit something that you may be passionate about, but start small so youa ren't overwhelmed and give up. DOn't invest a lot at first, buy cheap when experiementing and let the prices grow as your skill and interest grow. Janet Stuart Stegall wrote: I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. Thanks, Stuart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 20:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7L0Xgk5029671 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:33:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L0Wk4d015391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:32:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L0WiP9060349; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L0WgP9060328 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-015ilchicp0309.dialsprint.net ([65.176.145.55] helo=office) by asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByJoH-0001Nc-Bm for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:32:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c48716$47053390$3791b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040820231402.7DAA73384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:30:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de261a410d44e59cf98a67bfa89023bd1ab5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.145.55 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the offer, Danielle, but I'd hoped to have the entire ensemble in about six weeks. You'd have to be a super student and then a super milliner to meet that deadline. :o) However, since there doesn't seem to be many jumping into the party, tell us about this awaited-with-anticipation millinery course. It sounds exciting! What requirements will you need to meet in order to...graduate? Is there a runway presentation at the end? If so, do we get to hear all the secrets you have planned? Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] question > Hey, > > I'm always up for a party. No, sorry, no idea but I do love that outfit. As for the hat...after I take my millinery course (which I can hardly wait for!), I might be able to make if for you. > > Cheers, > Danielle > ----- Original Message ----- > > Well, since it's quiet, we can have our own party. > > > > Can one of you can tell me where I can get a pattern similar to the Ascot dress that Audrey Hepburn wore? Do any of the standard commercial companies produce a hat pattern that goes with that dress? > > > > Meg > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 20 21:21:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7L1L2br029859 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L1Jo4d018358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L1JlP9083311; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L1JjP9083288 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from witchwife@earthlink.net) Received: from sdn-ap-012njpennp0449.dialsprint.net ([63.185.241.195]) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ByKXn-0003OW-00 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:19:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B32488A-F310-11D8-8DFB-0050E4A0634D@earthlink.net> From: witchwife@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:19:37 -0400 To: h-costume@net.indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7L1JjP9083288 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 662 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 661 (Gail & Scott Finke) 2. Re: Re: Ballerina Flowers (Genie) 3. Re: OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume (Elizabeth Walpole) 4. Trim shops, fabric stores & costume books in Paris? (Alabaster) 5. Re: Re: Ballerina Flowers (Kate M Bunting) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:43:46 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 661 To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" on 8/19/04 2:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only > sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements > (but > only for the women, sadly!) Is that true? I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently requires women to compete nearly naked. Part of me thinks it's incredibly insulting. But when I was in Florida this year, I saw lots of (very good) beach volleyball teams playing, and that's what the women really wore. In fact, that's what everyone wore. I was the only woman I saw who weighed less than 250 pounds and wore a one-piece suit. After a couple of days you don't even notice that EVERYONE is wearing a bikini, including many, many people who shouldn't be! Gail Finke ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:13:16 -0500 From: "Genie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <02f101c48652$e00b6560$bb4ef504@Dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a child we made the hollyhock ladies (as we called them) by taking an open blossom and a bud and connenting them with a toothpick. Then you take a bowl of water and float them on it. Summer fun, along with clover flower bracelets and necklaces. Snow fallen on snow, and this evening, the full moon of November Basho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers >> On a craft show I saw once... they were making small costumed ladies > that >> hung as a decoration from atop window. The skirts from silk flowers. > The >> bodice was made with the silk flower buds. They were so cute. I > have >> thought about making them for the picture window in my office. Their > heads >> were made from wooden beads. The instructions must be on the HGTV or > DYI >> website. > > Funny you should mention that. When I was home with the broken foot a > couple of weeks ago I got hooked on the Carol Duvall show and they did > something like this. Found the episode on the website: > > > http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/cr_dolls/article/ > 0,1789,HGTV_3242_2248412,00.html > > Catherine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:36:34 +1000 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <004801c48668$0d0ea1c0$4e93d6cb@ewalpole> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Sequins and spandex: Deduction or enhancement of scores in the >> subjectively-judged sports of gymnastics and figure-skating--a social >> history >> >> Cindy Abel >> >> > Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only > sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements > (but > only for the women, sadly!) > > Jean Of course Irish dancing costumes are in there too, put sequins on every available surface in hopes that the judges will be blinded by reflected glare at the moment you make a mistake. I've never been involved in Irish dancing myself but a friend has been taking on a lot of Irish Dancing comissions recently and whenever I visit her house I see some hideously sparkly dress. Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:46:01 -0400 From: "Alabaster" Subject: [h-cost] Trim shops, fabric stores & costume books in Paris? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all- I have the good fortune to be going to Paris in a couple of weeks. As well as doing modern fashion things, going to the Pręt a Porter shows, I would absolutely love to do some serious costume-related shopping. Does anyone know of any good new &/or vintage trim or fabric shops? I'd also love to find some vintage clothing shops that aren't too pricey (i.e. not big name designers). I think I know of most of the good places to actually see historic costume but if anyone knows of any spots a little bit off the beaten track I'd be very grateful to hear of them too. And of course, I'm going with money allocated for buying costume books, again new or second hand would be great! Does anyone know of someone who deals in antique/vintage fashion magazines? I'm particularly interested in early 20th century up until 1929. My main areas of interest are European(mainly French) - Rococo, Empire & early 20th century (art deco etc). Thanks in advance Elizabeth elizabeth@alabasterstyle.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:08:56 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ballerina Flowers To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Not heard of the hollyhock one, but I used to make dolls from poppies. You tie back the petals with a blade of grass, so the fluffy black centre makes the doll's head. Then you cut off the stem a little way below the "skirt", stick another length of stem up to make a second leg, and push one through the "bodice" to make arms. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> kerowyn@mindspring.com 20/08/2004 02:13:16 >>> As a child we made the hollyhock ladies (as we called them) by taking an open blossom and a bud and connenting them with a toothpick. Then you take a bowl of water and float them on it. Summer fun, along with clover flower bracelets and necklaces. Snow fallen on snow, and this evening, the full moon of November Basho - ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 662 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 01:02:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7L52hY9030714 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:02:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L51P4d000426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L51GP9079761; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7L51EP9079729 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 79854 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 05:01:11 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 05:01:11 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:02:36 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness References: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning Finish right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) I am probably looking at a combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have been led to believe by some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use machine stiching for all of my seams. So any sugestions? Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Me too. : ) > > Great. Sewing is a great hobby. As for getting into it, it would help if we knew more about your likes, dislikes, hand sewing or machine sewing, time periods or styles you are interested in, etc... If we can narrow it down a bit, we are more likely to have useful suggestions. : ) > > Cheers, > Danielle > ----- Original Message ----- > >>I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. >> >>So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. >> >>I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. >> >>Thanks, >>Stuart >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 01:48:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7L5m7E3030841 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:48:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L5jO4x002945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L5bgP9099964; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7L5bdPA099942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7L5e8mO003944 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:40:08 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: A Few Tidbits on Viking Costume (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:45:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> In-Reply-To: <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408210145.50716.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 21 August 2004 1:02 am, Stuart Stegall wrote: > My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some > attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning Finish > right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) Terrific! I find so few Vikings around here. :-) You are to be applauded for taking your reenactment efforts seriously enough to actually study Finnish. There is a website, put up by a Finnish student (it appears to be a web version of her dissertation, judging from what I can figure out, since *I* don't read Finnish) that you may make more of than I can. http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jek/liitteet.html > I am probably looking at a > combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have been led to believe by > some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use > machine stiching for all of my seams. That will depend upon the standards of the reenactment group you will be working with. Of course, an absolutely accurate recreated garment would be sewn entirely by hand, from cloth that had been handwoven out of hand dyed and spun yarn. :-) > So any suggestions? As for constructing Viking clothing, the single best site I know of is Carolyn Priest-Dorman's "Viking Resources for the Re-Enactor" page. It includes descriptions of appropriate construction and ornamentation techniques for both male and female Viking era costume, and many other links of interest to Viking reenactors. Good luck! http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/vikresource.html If you want more inspiration than instruction, the Museum of National Antiquities (Historiska Museet) in Stockholm has created a page describing, in detail, with color photos, their recreations of Viking costume based on the Birka finds. It is your luck that that section of the site has recently been translated into English by a fellow h-costume list member. http://www.historiska.se/histvarld/eng/drakt.htm For still more inspiration, here's the web site of an Australian reenactor who has done his own recreation of a Russified Viking's costume: http://users.bigpond.net.au/quarfwa/miklagard/Costume/Rus/Trader/Rus_main.htm Best of luck in your Viking-costume endeavors! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 09:23:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LDNuGE032714 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:23:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LDD04d023494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LDCpP9088724; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LDCeP9088580 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m160.in-tch.com [216.166.191.160]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7LDC3629856 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41274B3C.7020404@in-tch.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:16:44 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 662 References: <2B32488A-F310-11D8-8DFB-0050E4A0634D@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <2B32488A-F310-11D8-8DFB-0050E4A0634D@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there a point to sending the list the entire contents of a digest? --sue, deleting the whole thing in minor annoyance..... witchwife@earthlink.net wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 661 (Gail & Scott Finke) > 2. Re: Re: Ballerina Flowers (Genie) > 3. Re: OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume (Elizabeth Walpole) > 4. Trim shops, fabric stores & costume books in Paris? (Alabaster) > 5. Re: Re: Ballerina Flowers (Kate M Bunting) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 09:24:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LDOSV1032719 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LDNd4d024080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:23:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LDNcP9093242; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.compassnet.com.au [203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LDNYPA093166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendar@compassnet.com.au) Received: from mail (root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/linuxconf) with SMTP id i7LDUEnJ019308 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:30:14 +1000 Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.183]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/linuxconf) with SMTP id i7LDUDe5019302 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:30:13 +1000 Message-ID: <022801c48781$f864c0e0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:22:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Stuart. Most seams that seem (haha) to have been used by the Vikings are really quick to sew by hand. With wools, one seam style I use with great success is plain running stitch, then fold the edges to one side and either do another row of running stitch to the outside of the fabric, or for fabric that will fray, a standard hem stitch. Takes very little time and looks great. There is also the way of just placing the fabric over each other with whatever seam allowance you like and hemming on both sides. This is good for wools that have been a bit felted. For wools that are a bit more tricky, and won't stay where they're put, I fold each side over once, then do the hem as above. The fold looks like a pair of hands with their fingers folded around each other. Sorry, it's hard for me to describe - I'm not imaginative. For linens - you can do the first one above, but fold the seam allowance over on itself before sewing to prevent fraying. These ways of sewing seams are really great when putting segments of fabric together - especially those triangular bits under the arm. To me they look fairly impossible with a machine, but they're not much trouble by hand. I've made a tunic with the two running stitch seams for my son who's a little under 5 foot in a couple of evenings. It's SO quick. And you also get the pose value of having entirely hand-sewn clothing (or in my case, the whole family!!) Most of these seams are described in Textiles and Clothing - Crowfoot, Pritchard and Staniland - Museum of London. It concentrates mainly on a slightly later period (1150-1450), but seams in wool and linen are seams - very little changes over time in the way to put two pieces of fabric together with thread! It also has the bonus of showing a lot of braids, net, etc. It I had a dollar for every time I've plugged this book to people on the net, I'd have paid for it in full, and it's not a cheap book! Have fun! Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Stegall" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness > My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning > Finish right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) I am probably looking at a combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have > been led to believe by some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use machine stiching for all of my seams. > So any sugestions? > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > > Me too. : ) > > > > Great. Sewing is a great hobby. As for getting into it, it would help if we knew more about your likes, dislikes, hand sewing or machine sewing, time periods or styles you are interested in, etc... If we can narrow it down a bit, we are more likely to have useful suggestions. : ) > > > > Cheers, > > Danielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. > >> > >>So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. > >> > >>I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Stuart > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 10:06:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LE6mPr000426 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:06:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LE694d026249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LE67P9011538; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LE64P9011507 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.118] (pm7-118.eos.net [205.133.149.118]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7LE5xxu012875 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:02:57 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408210538.i7L5c1PA000215@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] advice request for coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please help, any 18th-century folks out there! I am going to be making some men's coats, circa 1776. They are for my husband and assorted helpers who will be in some parades next year. We own a print shop, and we thought it would be fun to advertise the business by participating in a Fourth of July parade (we're American, needless to say) on the theme of freedom of the press. Then we thought, why not do some other parades while we're at it? My husband is the printer, so I want to make him an outfit that looks pretty historically accurate from a distance. For other marchers (male and female, and probably our kids), I want to make some men's coats in bright colors, maybe out of Trigger, worn with tricorner hats, t-shirts, and shorts. Just for fun, obviously. I bought some Simplicity patterns at the Joanne's 99 cent sale last week. One is for the Pirates of the Caribbean costume, which takes SIX yards of fabric for the coat. The other is the generic 1700s pattern, which only takes about four yards. I also bought a child's pattern that will do. But the child's pattern only goes up to size 8! I don't know what to do about the kids in between. Anyway, I want to make coats that have the Colonial look, but that are easy to clean and won't fray. I am much more aquainted with actual historic costumes than with theater-type costumes, but I think the latter is what I want. What should I do to make these light-weight, fairly cool to wear, and pretty much indestructable? I plan to do at least one for Halloween, as a test. Has anyone made these patterns? I am willing to go to a lot more trouble on my husband's outfit. I don't know if the pirate coat is too full for a real Colonial gentleman, but I think he would have a lot more fun wearing it, and in this case fun is most important. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 10:58:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LEw6vZ000669 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LEv34d029168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LEuxP9033977; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7LEuuP9033931 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 62736 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 14:56:54 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 14:56:54 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <412762DE.4010606@footworkmedia.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:57:34 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Few Tidbits on Viking Costume (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness) References: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> <200408210145.50716.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200408210145.50716.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wonderful ... all greatly appreciated Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 1:02 am, Stuart Stegall wrote: > >>My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some >>attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning Finish >>right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) > > > Terrific! I find so few Vikings around here. :-) > > You are to be applauded for taking your reenactment efforts seriously enough > to actually study Finnish. There is a website, put up by a Finnish student > (it appears to be a web version of her dissertation, judging from what I can > figure out, since *I* don't read Finnish) that you may make more of than I > can. > > http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jek/liitteet.html > > >>I am probably looking at a >>combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have been led to believe by >>some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use >>machine stiching for all of my seams. > > > That will depend upon the standards of the reenactment group you will be > working with. Of course, an absolutely accurate recreated garment would be > sewn entirely by hand, from cloth that had been handwoven out of hand dyed > and spun yarn. :-) > > >>So any suggestions? > > > As for constructing Viking clothing, the single best site I know of is Carolyn > Priest-Dorman's "Viking Resources for the Re-Enactor" page. It includes > descriptions of appropriate construction and ornamentation techniques for > both male and female Viking era costume, and many other links of interest to > Viking reenactors. Good luck! > > http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/vikresource.html > > If you want more inspiration than instruction, the Museum of National > Antiquities (Historiska Museet) in Stockholm has created a page describing, > in detail, with color photos, their recreations of Viking costume based on > the Birka finds. It is your luck that that section of the site has recently > been translated into English by a fellow h-costume list member. > > http://www.historiska.se/histvarld/eng/drakt.htm > > For still more inspiration, here's the web site of an Australian reenactor who > has done his own recreation of a Russified Viking's costume: > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/quarfwa/miklagard/Costume/Rus/Trader/Rus_main.htm > > Best of luck in your Viking-costume endeavors! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 13:25:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LHPVlT001346 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:25:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LHOL4d007955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LHNRP9001384; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LHNRP9001328 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004082117232101500p42o5e>; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:23:21 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:21:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can do most of this construction by either machine or hand. The garments run from very plain to highly embellished very easily. It is a nice simple style to start from and as you and your skills advance there are easy ways to alter a garment pattern to increase fit and war comfort. Viking is very early compared to the period I prefer (Elizabethan) but I have made a few basic T-tunics and pants. I agree with the other advice of start simple and work your way up to more advanced. When I have taught I advise students to find a simple pattern (I usually advise Simplicity or Easy Sew for obvious reasons) and an inexpensive material with no buttons or Zippers for a first project. When you start something new there is a learning curve and you will make mistakes If you start with cheep and simple, you are more likely finish the project and be happy with the results and encouraged to continue. Last comment - To this day (I've been sewing for around 17 years having come to it late) I still call my seam ripper my best friend (sorry Jonna) Make sure you have a sharp one that is comfortable to sit and use for hours on end. I count it as a victory when I DON'T use my seam ripper on a garment in the creation process. Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning Finish right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) I am probably looking at a combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have been led to believe by some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use machine stiching for all of my seams. So any sugestions? Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Me too. : ) > > Great. Sewing is a great hobby. As for getting into it, it would help if we knew more about your likes, dislikes, hand sewing or machine sewing, time periods or styles you are interested in, etc... If we can narrow it down a bit, we are more likely to have useful suggestions. : ) > > Cheers, > Danielle > ----- Original Message ----- > >>I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. >> >>So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. >> >>I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. >> >>Thanks, >>Stuart >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 18:08:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LM8796002687 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:08:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LM714d022821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LM5hP9035548; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LM5cP9035502 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57131611 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040821145449.00b0f3d0@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:05:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Two costume sets online portfolio. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all On this quiet Saturday afternoon, I have finished up two of my previous costume creations. I realized that if I am going to do this business of mine, I really need a portolio, both online and in print. So I've been working on the online portfolio for my business website. The print part should go faster now. I have finished so far two costume sets. The first is an Irish Bard's Ionar & Leine that I did for a friend a few years ago. I actually documented the work in progress in photos, but until now never wrote up a dress diary for them. I actually haven't done a dress diary until a few months ago. But the past few days I decided to translate the notes and memories into print and photos, and have posted them on my site: http://www.dreamtime-studios.com/creations/garments/irishbard/ The second finished page is for a German Dopplesoldier's Slash & Puff Doublet. It is less of a dress diary, but it does describe the garment in some detail. I was hoping to get some feedback on the two items, and I also wanted to share some of the work I have done with you all. I kept saying that Irish outfit was different than the norm, and now you all can see why. Oh, and this site is still a work in progress. The top and far right side links may not work properly or send you to unknown pages. I haven't uploaded everything yet. Thanks, Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 19:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7LNM433003597 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:22:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LNLK4d026509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LNJQP9067517; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7LNJLP9067484 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-46-018.jps.net ([209.165.46.18]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Byf8q-0001CU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:19:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:22:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Beach volleyball costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 4:43 PM -0400 8/19/04, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >on 8/19/04 2:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at >h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >> Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only >> sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but >> only for the women, sadly!) > >Is that true? I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently >requires women to compete nearly naked. Part of me thinks it's incredibly >insulting. But when I was in Florida this year, I saw lots of (very good) >beach volleyball teams playing, and that's what the women really wore. Ummmm... is there a reason for a rule requiring that you _not_ cover up too much? I'm trying, and failing, to imagine why wearing "too much" clothing would give competitors some unfair advantage, so that people would have to make rules prohibiting it. (Well, aside from its providing "too much" protection from sunburn or sand scrapes....) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 21:12:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M1CWUL004159 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:12:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1Bf4d002404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1BVP9016891; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f31.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1BSP9016826 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:11:21 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:11:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:11:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 01:11:21.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFAAFBF0:01C487E4] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was just hoping everybody else went to Pennic and will bring back lots of pictures. Same here to many personal issues, me egroups are the only thing keeps me sane. did any one see the US Men Basketball team get beat again by the Lithuanias? The ladies basketball team and softball team kick butt!!!!! :)In a lady like way of course. Wihelmina >From: "Brandy Deming" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email >problems? >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:06:32 -0700 > >think it's just quiet. Lord knows I've been having way too many personal >issues to gab. > >B > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:55 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was >wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or >just a super quiet day or two on the list... > > > > Cheers, > > Danielle > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 21:20:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M1Khsk004224 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1Js4d002890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1JrP9020565; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f31.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1JqP9020505 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:19:45 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:19:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] question Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:19:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 01:19:45.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C3241A0:01C487E6] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try McCalls >Danielle >----- Original Message ----- > > Well, since it's quiet, we can have our own party. > > > > Can one of you can tell me where I can get a pattern similar to the >Ascot dress that Audrey Hepburn wore? Do any of the standard commercial >companies produce a hat pattern that goes with that dress? > > > > Meg >-- >_______________________________________________ >Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Do any of the standard commercial >companies produce a hat pattern that goes with that dress? > > > > Meg >-- >_______________________________________________ >Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 21:30:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M1UDRC004265 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1TU4d003351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1TPP9024507; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f35.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1TMP9024462 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:29:17 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:29:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:29:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 01:29:17.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[70CACAB0:01C487E7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did't even have Pennic Party to go to this year and the list was quiet. Wilhelmina >From: Susan Farmer >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email >problems? >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was >wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or >just a super quiet day or two on the list... > >My guess is that it's just quite. Depending on the SCA contingent on >this list maybe they went to PA for the last weekend of Pennsic -- >or they are at a local Pennsic Pity Party event. > >Jerusha/ Susan >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:29:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 01:29:17.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[70BD8440:01C487E7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did't even have Pennic Party to go to this year and the list was quiet. Wilhelmina >From: Susan Farmer >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email >problems? >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was >wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or >just a super quiet day or two on the list... > >My guess is that it's just quite. Depending on the SCA contingent on >this list maybe they went to PA for the last weekend of Pennsic -- >or they are at a local Pennsic Pity Party event. > >Jerusha/ Susan >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 21:45:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M1jOts004306 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1i74d004092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1i5P9031117; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1i2P9031063 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DF6B61801084 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:43:56 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2004 01:43:56 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD638E5BC7; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:43:56 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:43:56 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:43:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040822014356.CD638E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, it depends on the level of your sewing ability. If you are complete beginner and want a pattern to get you started, I might suggest something like McCalls 4002: http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/mccallspatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.400004002=x&TI=40013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33857369 However if you have some experience I would suggest grabbing a copy of "Cut My Cote" for some layout ideas, as well as having a look at Norlund's work on the Herjolfnes finds (the "Greenland gowns"). Also Else Ostregard (forgive the lousy spelling) is coming out with a new book on these garments which has the most up-to-date research on them. David Brown/Oxbow books will be carrying it. Another advanced source you might consider looking at are the books about the Coppergate dig I believe the one on textiles is by Penelope Walton Rogers. You could use machine stitching on the long seams with hand finishing, however if you are looking for "accurate" it should be hand sewn. There was a recent thread on diamond twills which would be appropriate fabric for what you want - it should be in the archives. Does that help? Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning > Finish right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) I am probably looking at a combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have > been led to believe by some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use machine stiching for all of my seams. > So any sugestions? > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > > Me too. : ) > > > > Great. Sewing is a great hobby. As for getting into it, it would help if we knew more about your likes, dislikes, hand sewing or machine sewing, time periods or styles you are interested in, etc... If we can narrow it down a bit, we are more likely to have useful suggestions. : ) > > > > Cheers, > > Danielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. > >> > >>So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. > >> > >>I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Stuart > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 21:48:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M1md3e004317 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1lv4d004313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1ltP9032618; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1lqPA032595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7M1oPpA029998 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:50:26 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Few Tidbits on Viking Costume (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:56:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040820232336.428A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <200408210145.50716.cathy@thyrsus.com> <412762DE.4010606@footworkmedia.com> In-Reply-To: <412762DE.4010606@footworkmedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408212156.08987.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:57 am, Stuart Stegall wrote: > Wonderful ... all greatly appreciated. Enjoy! You may well find other stuff on the Web, exploring from the URLs I gave you. If you need recommendations for items like jewelry, shoes, or metalwork, feel free to email me privately. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 21:51:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M1px9L004324 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:51:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1pD4d004465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M1pAP9033864; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com (web41510.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7M1p9P9033826 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:51:03 EDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4126D76C.3060007@footworkmedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One thing that is easy to start with is a simple T-Tunic. If you fold the material in half, lay yourself down and sketch a large version of yourself, then cut it out, then sew together, then you have a shirt. T-Tunics were big back then. IT lets you practise both hand andf machine sewing cheapy and accurately. We give these projects to beginners until they discover where they want to be in the SCA. THey learn basic sewing and costume making. Basic T-Tunics are in most races and in many time periods. Another way to make the tunic is to take one of your old T-shirts turn it inside out and cut around it (use it as a pattern) make sure you add at least an inch ( mosre is better because of seam and space, they made them big and tied a belt around their waist). To fancy your tunic, add trims. THis is the best thing to start with. You can also take your jogging pants and do similar thing to them for period viking pants. I will try to find time to scan in a pic of what I ! am taking about in a future e-mail or if you more questions. Janet Stuart Stegall wrote: My interests is Viking history ... so I am interested in making some attempts at historically correct Viking clothing (I am learning Finish right now to aid in my other Viking endeavours) I am probably looking at a combonation of hand and machine stiching. I have been led to believe by some others I know with the same interests that i will be able to use machine stiching for all of my seams. So any sugestions? Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Me too. : ) > > Great. Sewing is a great hobby. As for getting into it, it would help if we knew more about your likes, dislikes, hand sewing or machine sewing, time periods or styles you are interested in, etc... If we can narrow it down a bit, we are more likely to have useful suggestions. : ) > > Cheers, > Danielle > ----- Original Message ----- > >>I hate quietness in lists that I watch from afar. >> >>So I have just been getting in to sewing as something to do when I don't want to hack anymore for the day. >> >>I am wondering what things everyone would suggest to really get into sewing ... ie projects or books to read. >> >>Thanks, >>Stuart >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 22:03:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M2353L004369 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:03:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M22C4d005168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M22AP9038739; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M228P9038691 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 054691801124 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:02:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2004 02:02:01 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D22E4E5BC7; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:02:01 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:02:01 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:02:01 +0000 Subject: millinery was Re: [h-cost] question X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040822020201.D22E4E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Meg, Well, my course isn't until November so it is rather moot. : ) I can hardly wait and want to bounce every time I think about it. I'm taking a 3-day intensive course (only 4 students) at the Wombourne School of Millinery just south of Wolverhampton (England). http://www.how2hats.com/ It covers working with sinamay, fine straw, felt and silk, or a combination of any of these. Up until now I have made some hats but have been self-taught and not dared to attempt blocking. I would have preferred the 5 day course but it is a bit too expensive. They were offering a stitched straw hats master class this month but I found out about it too late. I'm hoping it will give me a solid grounding and prepare me for further courses if I can find them. As for plans, I'm not really making any at the moment - I want to see what is availible. Mind you, I would love to make a Regency period lady's (riding) top hat. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > Thanks for the offer, Danielle, but I'd hoped to have the entire ensemble in > about six weeks. You'd have to be a super student and then a super milliner > to meet that deadline. :o) > > However, since there doesn't seem to be many jumping into the party, tell us > about this awaited-with-anticipation millinery course. It sounds exciting! > What requirements will you need to meet in order to...graduate? Is there a > runway presentation at the end? If so, do we get to hear all the secrets > you have planned? > > Meg -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 22:06:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M26wVs004375 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:06:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M2654d005450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M264P9040444; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M263P9040432 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net15sp20.directcon.net [209.79.209.20] (may be forged)) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7M29WN18964 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c487eb$d2570880$14d14fd1@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Beach volleyball costume Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:00:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently >requires women to compete nearly naked. While the men wear roomy shorts and T-shirts. If they were wearing Speedos, it would seem more fair, not to mention be more fun to watch. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 22:21:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M2LEYA004441 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:21:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M2KV4d006161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M2KTP9046858; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M2KLPA046802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7M2MqAU030628 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:22:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:28:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408212228.34815.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 21 August 2004 9:51 pm, Janet Renzetti wrote: > One thing that is easy to start with is a simple T-Tunic. If you fold the > material in half, lay yourself down and sketch a large version of yourself, > then cut it out, then sew together, then you have a shirt. T-Tunics were > big back then. [snip] Yes, but that's not how they were cut. :-) If you decide you want to cut a T-tunic from scratch in something closer to a period method, try this site: http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html It's not that much harder than the "sketch around yourself" proposal, requires less fabric, and is quite close to documented period methods. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 22:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M2YoRZ004496 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M2Xr4d006806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M2XpP9052350; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7M2XnP9052245 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:33:41 EDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200408212228.34815.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO SCA, at least in AN TIR we teach like that to start with go into gores and other more complicated versions. Many poorer families used the laydown method, especially for children, but more complicated patterns, like the one you refered to were more popular and more comfortable. For brand new people, we do the sketch version and move them towards patterns. Janet Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 9:51 pm, Janet Renzetti wrote: > One thing that is easy to start with is a simple T-Tunic. If you fold the > material in half, lay yourself down and sketch a large version of yourself, > then cut it out, then sew together, then you have a shirt. T-Tunics were > big back then. [snip] Yes, but that's not how they were cut. :-) If you decide you want to cut a T-tunic from scratch in something closer to a period method, try this site: http://www.virtue.to/articles/tunic_worksheet.html It's not that much harder than the "sketch around yourself" proposal, requires less fabric, and is quite close to documented period methods. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 23:03:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M33u2U004571 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:03:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M33G4d008416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:03:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M32aP9065399; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M32VP9065327 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1e9.2844c13f (25711) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.2844c13f.2e5966bf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:02:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Beach volleyball costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just looked up the rules of beach volleyball, and they specify that players may wear bathing suits or shorts and jerseys, unless the tournament rules specify otherwise. Do the Olympic rules specify otherwise? If not, the women are evidently wearing what they want to wear, not what they HAVE to wear--they could be wearing shorts and jerseys, like the guys. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 23:07:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M37CB1004580 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:07:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M35x4d008484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M35wP9066748; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M35pP9066696 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-67-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.153]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7M35mnB018498 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:05:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040821200101.016a1640@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:10:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness In-Reply-To: <20040822014356.CD638E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >However if you have some experience I would suggest grabbing a copy of "Cut >My Cote" for some layout ideas, as well as having a look at Norlund's work >on the Herjolfnes finds (the "Greenland gowns"). Also Else Ostregard >(forgive the lousy spelling) is coming out with a new book on these garments >which has the most up-to-date research on them. David Brown/Oxbow books >will be carrying it. Another advanced source you might consider looking at >are the books about the Coppergate dig I believe the one on textiles is by >Penelope Walton Rogers. I like these patterns better than the folded "t-tunics' where there are only side seams and hems. The fold-over method, while being easier, doesn't produce a garment that fits as well, and the lack of seams always looks non-period to me. Up to about 180 pounds, I could make myself a floor-length dress, with long sleeves, out of 4 yards of 45" wide material. BTW, this type of cut was used well into the 19th century, for men's shirts and ladies' shifts/chemises. It hung on till the early 20th century for many traditional ethnic garments. >You could use machine stitching on the long seams with hand finishing, >however if you are looking for "accurate" it should be hand sewn. Accurate is completely hand sewn, I agree, but you get an accurate look by hand finishing after using the machine for most seams. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 23:11:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M3BtQQ004597 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:11:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3B74d008719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3B6P9069130; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3AvPA068968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7M3DPoH031393 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:13:26 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:19:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408212319.08889.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:33 pm, Janet Renzetti wrote: > SCA, at least in AN TIR we teach like that to start with go into gores and > other more complicated versions. Many poorer families used the laydown > method, especially for children, but more complicated patterns, like the > one you refered to were more popular and more comfortable. For brand new > people, we do the sketch version and move them towards patterns. Understood. I sent the URL I did, though, because Stuart's original request was for something fairly authentic, not necessarily basic. And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. I've done the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and the more complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't think there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of course the more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a method is that it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and Cynthia's method does that.... -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 23:24:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M3OeDe004703 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3NW4d009426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3NTP9074344; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7M3NQP9074281 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822032321.9910.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:23:21 EDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200408212319.08889.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with you on many points. I have seen both being used, but the preference has been there. Personally, for making, I like the gores and other more complicated projects. Teaching, I have steps and ease of making from simple to complicated depending on the experience, needs, and persona they are trying to achieve. Gores give room to move and grow. THey also allow one to breathe, which the sketch version does not. Gores mean many seams with finishing, sketch means 2 with finishing. I had one student that did a sketch T-Tunic. He was panicked because he had barely looked at a sewing machine without shaking with fear and a needle was not something he handled either. He had a sketch T-Tunic and he had a such a look of accomplishment that he managed 2 seams that he felt he wanted to go out and get his own sewing machine and make more tunics and wondered what sources he could find. Sketch tunics are what I recommend for very beginners and have them quickly grow from ! there. ONe acomplishment can quickly grow and depending on the person learning determine the rate and method of teaching and patterns used. I am not saying this for a hard rule, but has just worked for me. I don't start everyone on this scale, some can start higher with me, but certain students need very basic to ge the fear out ofthe way and grasp basic concepts. Janet Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:33 pm, Janet Renzetti wrote: > SCA, at least in AN TIR we teach like that to start with go into gores and > other more complicated versions. Many poorer families used the laydown > method, especially for children, but more complicated patterns, like the > one you refered to were more popular and more comfortable. For brand new > people, we do the sketch version and move them towards patterns. Understood. I sent the URL I did, though, because Stuart's original request was for something fairly authentic, not necessarily basic. And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. I've done the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and the more complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't think there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of course the more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a method is that it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and Cynthia's method does that.... -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 23:28:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M3S5vj004719 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3RO4d009588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3ROP9075797; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7M3RNP9075753 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:27:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822032716.73844.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:27:16 EDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040821200101.016a1640@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My feelings exactly. Though period, the thought of period was many gores, many seams. This was not always the case and definately does not look as nice, but works well when there is less work to be done and is easier for "cheating" for hand finish look. Folding it and then outlininf has many limits and I don't enjoy it personally, but it works for those starting out because it is something they can do without instruction after the first example. Janet I like these patterns better than the folded "t-tunics' where there are only side seams and hems. The fold-over method, while being easier, doesn't produce a garment that fits as well, and the lack of seams always looks non-period to me. Up to about 180 pounds, I could make myself a floor-length dress, with long sleeves, out of 4 yards of 45" wide material. BTW, this type of cut was used well into the 19th century, for men's shirts and ladies' shifts/chemises. It hung on till the early 20th century for many traditional ethnic garments. >You could use machine stitching on the long seams with hand finishing, >however if you are looking for "accurate" it should be hand sewn. Accurate is completely hand sewn, I agree, but you get an accurate look by hand finishing after using the machine for most seams. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 21 23:45:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M3jH8r004817 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:45:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3iQ4d010452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3iIP9083044; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M3iEPA083017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7M3kma6031942 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:46:48 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:52:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822032321.9910.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040822032321.9910.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408212352.31263.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 21 August 2004 11:23 pm, Janet Renzetti wrote: > I agree with you on many points. I have seen both being used, but the > preference has been there. Personally, for making, I like the gores and > other more complicated projects. Teaching, I have steps and ease of making > from simple to complicated depending on the experience, needs, and persona > they are trying to achieve. [snip] > Sketch tunics are what I recommend for very beginners and > have them quickly grow from ! there. > ONe acomplishment can quickly grow and depending on the person learning > determine the rate and method of teaching and patterns used. > > I am not saying this for a hard rule, but has just worked for me. I don't > start everyone on this scale, some can start higher with me, but certain > students need very basic to ge the fear out ofthe way and grasp basic > concepts. Fair enough. I agree with you on many points also. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 00:17:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M4Hahg004915 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:17:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4GR4d012344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4G1P9097919; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com (web41506.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.89]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7M4FxP9097886 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822041554.79482.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:15:54 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:15:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200408212352.31263.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To tell you the truth....I am not very good at the basic stuff anyways....I try to avoid it. THe more complicated the better. I prefer to make a Tudor court dress than a T-Tunic...I guess since my heart and soul aren't poured into them they don't turn out near as well even though there is hardly anything to them. I can make just about anything, but basic stuff never seems to feel right to me and I just procrastinate, unless teaching. Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 11:23 pm, Janet Renzetti wrote: > I agree with you on many points. I have seen both being used, but the > preference has been there. Personally, for making, I like the gores and > other more complicated projects. Teaching, I have steps and ease of making > from simple to complicated depending on the experience, needs, and persona > they are trying to achieve. [snip] > Sketch tunics are what I recommend for very beginners and > have them quickly grow from ! there. > ONe acomplishment can quickly grow and depending on the person learning > determine the rate and method of teaching and patterns used. > > I am not saying this for a hard rule, but has just worked for me. I don't > start everyone on this scale, some can start higher with me, but certain > students need very basic to ge the fear out ofthe way and grasp basic > concepts. Fair enough. I agree with you on many points also. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 00:33:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M4Xf3i004971 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4WZ4d013447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4WQP9005935; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4WOP9005921 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23164 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:38:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:38:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness In-Reply-To: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Janet Renzetti wrote: > Many poorer families used the laydown method, especially for children, > but more complicated patterns, like the one you refered to were more > popular and more comfortable. This statement caught my eye; are you referring to a particular medieval period? Can you point me to a source that supports this difference in approach? The two-seam construction strikes me as counterintuitive for poorer families, as a method using pieced geometric shapes (rectangular body, rectangular sleeves, underarm gussets, gores) is not only more durable, but also more economical of fabric. This would particularly be so for a child's garment that might be sewn from offcuts. The "laydown" method would also require wider fabric, which was apparently not readily available in much of the medieval period, and when it was available, was more expensive and probably not accessible to the poor. On the other hand, a child's garment might be attainable from the narrower widths. I don't know of any evidence for the "laydown" method from the period, so perhaps I'm missing something that indicates it being used in certain cases. I'd be interested to know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 00:55:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M4t27g005091 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:55:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4sI4d014552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4sEP9015401; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M4s9PA015344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7M4uhrp000595 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:56:43 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:02:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822041554.79482.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040822041554.79482.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408220102.26746.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 22 August 2004 12:15 am, Janet Renzetti wrote: > To tell you the truth....I am not very good at the basic stuff anyways....I > try to avoid it. THe more complicated the better. [snip] This puzzles me, but I'll take your word for it. I actually hate to sew, but I love to wear historic costume, and to devise and plan costumes. So I nerve myself to do the sewing periodically. I prefer the simpler stuff precisely because it's likelier to come out looking better, given my relative lack of basic sewing skill. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 01:05:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M55beT005135 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M5504d014955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M54XP9019815; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M54UP9019758 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1c0.1d6745cd (3988) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.1d6745cd.2e598353@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:04:19 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: millinery course X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7M55beT005135 Status: RO Dear Danielle, I am planning to take the 5 day course at Wombourne in October!!!!! Small world isn't it? :) I had planned to come to London to visit my daughter Kim who is teaching gymnastics in South London and saw that this course was just the time I would be in England so I applied. I have worked with blocking felt for hats but not so much with straw or sinamay. I studied with a private teacher in Los Angeles for two years who taught French Room Millinery technique which means couture and very precise. All hand sewing and no gluing of anything on the hat. I am looking forward to learning some new techniques and Kim feels that I won't be hanging around waiting for her to get off from work all week. We will still have time together (5 days) before I have to come back to the States and plan to visit my husband's family in Bradford before I do. We will have to compare notes about the course at the end of November. :) Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:02:01 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Subject: millinery was Re: [h-cost] question Hi Meg, Well, my course isn't until November so it is rather moot. : )  I can hardly wait and want to bounce every time I think about it.  I'm taking a 3-day intensive course (only 4 students) at the Wombourne School of Millinery just south of Wolverhampton (England).  http://www.how2hats.com/  It covers working with sinamay, fine straw, felt and silk, or a combination of any of these.  Up until now I have made some hats but have been self-taught and not dared to attempt blocking.  I would have preferred the 5 day course but it is a bit too expensive.  They were offering a stitched straw hats master class this month but I found out about it too late.  I'm hoping it will give me a solid grounding and prepare me for further courses if I can find them.  As for plans, I'm not really making any at the moment - I want to see what is availible.  Mind you, I would love to make a Regency period lady's (riding) top hat. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 02:40:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M6ebVU005465 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:40:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M6dj4d019577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M6deP9059840; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M6dXP9059789 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D78E2BF48 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:39:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p154.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.156]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B7CCC43A for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:39:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] portrait question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html Portrait of a Woman w/a Book Is the black design on her dress in the lower right hand corner the hem of her dress? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 05:17:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M9HWZY014238 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:17:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M9Gh4d027371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 03:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M9GZP9025472; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 03:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7M9GTP9025309 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 03:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0820F6F997 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:16:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from dialup-a2-345.Melbourne.netspace.net.au (dialup-a2-345.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.249.91]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:16:18 +1000 Message-ID: <1093166178.41286462f00dc@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:16:18 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Beach volleyball costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently > >requires women to compete nearly naked. > > While the men wear roomy shorts and T-shirts. There is a reason the men wear roomy shorts with women dressed like that nearby ;-) -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 06:34:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MAY8av019026 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:34:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MAXE4d001268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MAXAP9054586; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MAX9P9054549 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.116 ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004082210330401500p1l3pe>; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:33:04 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.116; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:33:02 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:33:02 +0000 Message-Id: <082220041033.3704.4128765E0004193400000E782200734830010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thoughts on sewing t-tunics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm afraid I love both the simple and the complicated garments. To explain this, I think, would be that I love the entire process of the "creation". Sewing is something I do to relax and calm myself. I know I'm a *very* odd duck for this. But, there it is! Granted there are times of absolute frustration, even abject terror, when there's a 'glitch' somewhere in the process (insert appropriate Murphy's law here). But many of those things help me learn things I didn't know before...especially the mistakes made just because I've sewn *way* past my bedtime (*LOL!*); it seems I'm always facing that particular bugaboo! Some mistakes are expensive to learn from and are just agony to endure, but overall, I still just love creating garments. When I am not in a hurry, or have no deadlines, working on a elizabethan or elaborate italian ren, the exhileration & joy I feel during the construction and completion for each element of the entire outfit is such a rush. And when I work on the basic t-tunics the feeling is not as intense, but it's still a real sense of contentment and fulfillment. It is very addicting. I think it's knowing that whatever I make, whoever wears my 'creation' is at least content, if not happy, to have something really nice to wear. I don't like, and nor do I ever, suggest the fold and draw tunic to beginners. It just is too uncomfortable a fit and wastes too much fabric. Surprisingly, most folks who've wanted me to either help, or hire me, to make them t tunics it seems to virtually always be for a "period-type t tunic without the gores". They aren't interested in being 'authentic' what they want is to be period-ish, but without the feared gores. What I do is help the person make a pattern for a very loose fitting non-gore t tunic *with a pattern*, generally just three pieces: front, back and sleeves. I then help, or teach, them how to make the t-tunic. Now, I know that they didn't have the wider fabrics that we have now, but I'm trying to help the person to work with and understand the construction process. First, I ask if s/he's ever worked with wood or leather; if the answer's yes, then I explain the whole 'grain' concept using the materials he/shes's familiar with (I'm not sure about how metal-working would work in though *grin*). Once the t tunic is cut out I work with them to sew it together, each person is different and I take a different approach until I find one that works. *Generally* the person becomes a little less afraid of sewing their own garb or garb for others. Some don't go any further than the one t tunic, but they always feel good that they *did* make it! Anyhooo, just my thoughts on this for what it's worth.... -- Slan go foill Elena (Emer) ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri -------------- Original message -------------- > On Sunday 22 August 2004 12:15 am, Janet Renzetti wrote: > > To tell you the truth....I am not very good at the basic stuff anyways....I > > try to avoid it. THe more complicated the better. > > [snip] > > This puzzles me, but I'll take your word for it. > > I actually hate to sew, but I love to wear historic costume, and to devise and > plan costumes. So I nerve myself to do the sewing periodically. I prefer > the simpler stuff precisely because it's likelier to come out looking better, > given my relative lack of basic sewing skill. :-) > > > -- > Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 07:33:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MBXsSl019248 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MBKS4d003973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MBKLP9074374; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MBK2PA074246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MBImTA018141 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:18:48 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41288160.30009@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:20:00 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness References: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> <200408212319.08889.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200408212319.08889.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. I've > done the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and the more > complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't think > there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of course the > more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a method is that > it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and Cynthia's method > does that.... Although poorly, in my opinion. Revamping it into something more like a cutting diagram is on my "list of things to do." But email questions are always welcome if it's not clear. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent The one time in my life I visit Loch Ness and I miss getting to see a virgin sacrifice by a few days. That's just my luck. -- Alex Boese on the plan by the British White Witches to sacrifice a female virgin and some veggies to bring Nessie up from the depths of Loch Ness in Sept '04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 08:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MCOt7D019420 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:24:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCO24d007677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCMeP9000478; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCMcP9000464 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2U00FM8L1NEC@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:22:50 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" In-reply-to: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4128901A.10800@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, I am amking an amazon order (some stuff for myself, some for work, and some for my husband) when this book came up. Has anyone see it? is it good/useful? Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and Grooming Practices 1000-1600 by Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 08:35:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MCZiYv019484 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:35:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCZ24d008048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCXoP9004733; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCXkPA004714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MCWWTA018744 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:32:33 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412892A8.10500@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:33:44 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book References: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> <4128901A.10800@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4128901A.10800@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO J.A.Urbik wrote: > Hey, I am amking an amazon order (some stuff for myself, some for work, > and some for my husband) when this book came up. Has anyone see it? is > it good/useful? > > Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and Grooming > Practices 1000-1600 by Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch It isn't out yet; I've had it on backorder for more than a year. I don't know what the story is. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent There are a lot of people who don't believe what they read in the newspaper, but will believe any fool thing someone forwards to them in email. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 08:43:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MChsUl019510 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MChD4d008430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCfbP9007733; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCfZP9007721 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-015ilchicp0076.dialsprint.net ([65.176.144.76] helo=office) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByrfC-0005No-DG for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c48845$448ae210$4c90b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040822020201.D22E4E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: millinery was Re: [h-cost] question Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:37:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de26de064e84e489582ac9dee4e004d0ffe0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.144.76 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Danielle. Your course sounds enticing and you'll have a lot of fun as well, especially since Donna will be there too. What good luck that the two of you will be sharing ideas afterward. Please share them with us too--especially if you take pictures. (Everyone loves shared pictures!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: millinery was Re: [h-cost] question > Hi Meg, > > Well, my course isn't until November so it is rather moot. : ) I can hardly wait and want to bounce every time I think about it. I'm taking a 3-day intensive course (only 4 students) at the Wombourne School of Millinery just south of Wolverhampton (England). http://www.how2hats.com/ It covers working with sinamay, fine straw, felt and silk, or a combination of any of these. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 08:46:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MCks9I019518 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:46:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCkI4d008622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCj7P9009025; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MCj4P9009008 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2U006IWM32LG@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:45:18 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-reply-to: <412892A8.10500@thibault.org> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4128955E.7020701@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <20040822015103.51167.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> <4128901A.10800@optonline.net> <412892A8.10500@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > J.A.Urbik wrote: > >> Hey, I am amking an amazon order (some stuff for myself, some for >> work, and some for my husband) when this book came up. Has anyone see >> it? is it good/useful? >> >> Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and >> Grooming Practices 1000-1600 by Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch > > > It isn't out yet; I've had it on backorder for more than a year. I > don't know what the story is. > > One of the authers, Daniela Turudich, has several other books that say not out yet, but they are all aout hair in decades of the 1900s. LIke 60's hairstyles and such. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 09:16:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MDGiR5019610 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MDG64d010168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MDFsP9021833; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53008.mail.yahoo.com (web53008.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.198]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7MDFrP9021786 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aureliarufinia@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040822131547.84199.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.218.220.234] by web53008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:15:47 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Aurelia Rufinia To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408221034.i7MAXlPB054869@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] T-Tunics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Except that for Byzantine, that really is how it works. Many tunics and dalmaticas were woven to shape, and then sewn up the sides. For earlier Roman, you don't even waste time with sleeves. (Sleeves on men were effeminate. The first Emporer to try wear sleeves in public was Commodus, and no one liked him. It didn't come in vougue for a another century or so with... I don't remember who, but he was more popular, so more poeple followed his fashion.) Not all t-tunics are equal. Aurelia > I like these patterns better than the folded > "t-tunics' where there are > only side seams and hems. The fold-over method, > while being easier, > doesn't produce a garment that fits as well, and the > lack of seams always > looks non-period to me. ===== Baroness Aurelia Rufinia House Iron Maiden, Barony of Carolingia, East Kingdom, Northshield Ex-Pat "27 lawyers in the room, anyone know "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc"? Josh?" "Post - after, after hoc, ergo - therefore, "After hoc, therefore" something else hoc." "Thank you. 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Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 10:16:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MEGWgW019852 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MEFb4d012878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MEExP9044147; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay2.mail2web.com (relay2.mail2web.com [168.144.1.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MEEuP9044091 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from M2W099.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.212]) by relay2.mail2web.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:14:44 -0400 Message-ID: <126050-220048022141444748@M2W099.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.138.137 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "purplkat@optonline.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:14:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2004 14:14:44.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FC5C970:01C48852] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7MEEuP9044091 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I keep finding the flower that is only pure white no red drop in the center. Is that also Q.A.L.? Kat who wants to know before she tries to dye with it Original Message: ----------------- From: otsisto otsisto@socket.net Queen Anne's Lace got its name from the story that while QA was making lace she pricked herself and the blood drop fell on the flower causing the single red flower in the center. Europeans and Colonist believed that eating the red flower would prevent epilepsy. The boiled root, besides food source was said to desolve Kidney stones. The plant was brought over and like the dandelion, got away from the garden and became wild. The NAs probably learned of it's uses and the dandelions uses from the colonist. De -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 11:46:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MFkvDv020138 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MFiu4d017946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MFikP9080798; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MFihP9080744 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m130.in-tch.com [216.166.191.130]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7MFi7607075 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4128C062.4010501@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:48:50 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] portrait question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Given the way the fabric is folding and bunching in that area, it seems likely to me that's trim/embroidery from her hem. Hmmm....it looks to me like the embroidery was done directly on the dress fabric, and not on any sort of "guards." Hmmm..... --sue, getting "12th night" ideas..... De wrote: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html > > Portrait of a Woman w/a Book > Is the black design on her dress in the lower right hand corner the hem of > her dress? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 11:51:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MFpDpS020152 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MFnM4d018232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MFnLP9082858; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7MFnHP9082818 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:49:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-29567); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:46:22 -0700 Received: from unknown (66.205.128.64) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:46:22 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20040822084736.01f3d848@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:49:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] portrait question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=66.205.128.64 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:39 AM 8/22/2004 -0500, you wrote: >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html > >Portrait of a Woman w/a Book >Is the black design on her dress in the lower right hand corner the hem of >her dress? > >De That's what it looks like to me. Same pattern as the trim at the neck. And it looks like she is sitting on a chair and the lower part of the skirt is draped over the chair arm. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 13:43:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MHheVP020929 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:43:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MHg94d024895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MHffP9032283; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MHfcPA032249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7MHi5lk020414 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:44:05 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:49:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> <200408212319.08889.cathy@thyrsus.com> <41288160.30009@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <41288160.30009@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408221349.48112.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 22 August 2004 7:20 am, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. > > I've done the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and > > the more complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't > > think there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of > > course the more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a > > method is that it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and > > Cynthia's method does that.... > > Although poorly, in my opinion. Revamping it into something more like a > cutting diagram is on my "list of things to do." Cutting diagrams are always a good thing, in my book. I've done t-shirts with gores using different methods, and yours, Cynthia, at least has the virtue (no pun intended) of being arithmetically relatable to actual body measurements. Unfortunately, I'm not the world's best at doing arithmetic.... > > But email questions are always welcome if it's not clear. Noted. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 13:46:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MHkbpF020940 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MHjG4d025075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MHjGP9034070; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MHjEPA034061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:45:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7MHlpdI020552 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:47:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] T-Tunics Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:53:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822131547.84199.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040822131547.84199.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408221353.34575.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 22 August 2004 9:15 am, Aurelia Rufinia wrote: > Except that for Byzantine, that really is how it > works. Many tunics and dalmaticas were woven to > shape, and then sewn up the sides. Ah yes. The 18-early 20th c Chinese planned out the "T" part of tunics in advance, then had all the gorgeous embroidery done on them while the fabric was still flat, before sewing them up into actual tunics... > For earlier Roman, > you don't even waste time with sleeves. (Sleeves on > men were effeminate. [snip] Of course, with the earlier Roman tunics you have a definitional problem. If the tunic is merely a tube sewn shut in appropriate places, without protrusions for sleeves being part of the design, does it count as a "T" tunic at all? :-) -- Cathy "lawyer in real life" Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 14:28:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MISmv3021117 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:28:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MIRw4d027333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MIRuP9053101; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7MIRrP9053040 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkheYmI45jpmCVfs3LqbJIcC19KPrSSqbQ== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5NJ4GYG; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:27:16 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:34:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] portrait question Message-ID: <20040822.133447.656.2.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-22 From: Karen R Bergquist X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would tend to say yes. Having worn dresses similar to that one, I have had my hem end up in a similar position when sitting in a cair with arms. Karen On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:39:40 -0500 "otsisto" writes: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html > > Portrait of a Woman w/a Book > Is the black design on her dress in the lower right hand corner the > hem of > her dress? > > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 14:44:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MIiCsA021206 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:44:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MIhA4d028321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MIgoP9059655; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MIghP9059605 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:42:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ByxIg-000ICW-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:39:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Beach volleyball costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris Laning wrote >At 4:43 PM -0400 8/19/04, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >>on 8/19/04 2:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at >>h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >> >>> Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only >>> sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but >>> only for the women, sadly!) >> >>Is that true? I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently >>requires women to compete nearly naked. Part of me thinks it's incredibly >>insulting. But when I was in Florida this year, I saw lots of (very good) >>beach volleyball teams playing, and that's what the women really wore. > >Ummmm... is there a reason for a rule requiring that you _not_ cover up >too much? > >I'm trying, and failing, to imagine why wearing "too much" clothing >would give competitors some unfair advantage, so that people would have >to make rules prohibiting it. (Well, aside from its providing "too >much" protection from sunburn or sand scrapes....) Well, it may be an urban myth... but I think it was more to do with the sponsors getting more viewing figures, rather than the rules of the sport itself. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 15:11:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MJBBMP021348 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:11:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJA74d000425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJ9tP9072590; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJ9qP9072559 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA145298EE for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p071.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.73]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F755D411 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: [The-NADARA-List] interesting/finnish/viking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The both of you may want to check out NADARA or Regia Anglorum(?) De -----Original Message----- Someone did post an english translation of this a while back, I am currently copying the book for Kelly (no Ihaven't forgotten just had problems with the scanner, now sorted, and been horrendously busy), once I have it sorted I will bung it onto a CD and pass it to my good friend Peter, who can then, hopefully, make a pdf file of it - but please bear with me, I know its taking time. Sandie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A site I got from another list. It's in Finnish(?). http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jek/liitteet.html Arian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 15:42:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MJg1SR021650 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:42:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJex4d002589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJeuP9086759; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJepP9086711 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B622AA4D for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p427.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.173]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A69DDD453 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] portrait question Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20040822084736.01f3d848@pop.surewest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html > > >That's what it looks like to me. Same pattern as the trim at the neck. And it looks like she is sitting on a chair and the lower part of the skirt is draped over the chair arm. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net> ************ I thought that the pattern on the "hem" was the same as the bodice but upon closer look at it it is different. Is it embroidery or applique'? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 15:42:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MJgLoh021653 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:42:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJfN4d002614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJfNP9087004; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJerP9086725 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF9D2AA58 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p427.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.173]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C974D453 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <126050-220048022141444748@M2W099.mail2web.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It isn't a red drop. It is a red flower. You might do a search on web for wild hemlock to see if that is what you have. Note some plant places can make mistakes. One place I saw was selling a vine as witch hazel and it really was Virginia creeper. Good luck on the identifying and the dyeing. De -----Original Message----- I keep finding the flower that is only pure white no red drop in the center. Is that also Q.A.L.? Kat who wants to know before she tries to dye with it Original Message: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 15:42:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MJgTCr021656 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:42:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJfW4d002636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJfWP9087104; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJetP9086751 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82013280D7 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p427.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.173]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 870A8D453 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:40:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Beach volleyball costume Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- >>> Can't you work in Beach Volleyball somewhere there as well? - the only >>> sport in the world that has *maximum* costume coverage requirements (but >>> only for the women, sadly!) >> >>Is that true? I am torn about how I view this "sport," which apparently >>requires women to compete nearly naked. Part of me thinks it's incredibly >>insulting. But when I was in Florida this year, I saw lots of (very good) >>beach volleyball teams playing, and that's what the women really wore. > >Ummmm... is there a reason for a rule requiring that you _not_ cover up >too much? > >I'm trying, and failing, to imagine why wearing "too much" clothing >would give competitors some unfair advantage, so that people would have >to make rules prohibiting it. (Well, aside from its providing "too >much" protection from sunburn or sand scrapes....) Well, it may be an urban myth... but I think it was more to do with the sponsors getting more viewing figures, rather than the rules of the sport itself. -- Jean Waddie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Did you see the German team in "Barbie" pink? There may be special rules. In Olympic Ice Skating, a woman skater can not wear pants, not even the kind the men skaters wear, must wear a skirt. Actually if they worn pants you get a point deduction. Now this rule is about 2 Winter Olympics ago so thing may have changed. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 15:51:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MJoxMo021679 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:51:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJo24d003234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJnvP9090956; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJntP9090897 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004082219495001500p6mfge>; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:49:50 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:48:44 -0400 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] slightly OT: altering halter gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A friend has ordered a bridesmaid's dress from a commercial joint (David's Bridals, I believe) but is losing weight, and as the dress will take six to eight weeks to arrive and the wedding is in, like eight and a half weeks, I have volunteered to do emergency alterations for her if necessary. Unfortunately, the gown is a halter-top style, and I can't tell from the picture whether it's got princess seams or not. Can anyone recommend a good book or on-line set of directions for alterations to fit the bust on this kind of top? She thinks, from the try-on in the store (I wasn't there for this stage) that the straps are too long -- if they just need to be shortened, that's easy, but if the bust really has to be moved out or up or in, there's just a lot of potential for screwing up. I just want to go into this armed with as much info as possible. On my own stuff, I make a muslin and refit and refit, but this is probably going to require working on the dress itself. And with my luck it will be taffeta and show every fricking pin! Thanks for any advice! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 15:55:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MJtM97021707 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJsV4d003497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJsSP9092962; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MJsQP9092911 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004082219542101300r6bb4e>; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:54:21 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:53:15 -0400 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] more on t-tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been working on my own t-tunics. Those of you who know me know that I am always re-making things as I learn more -- investing only time, not more fabric. My basic tunic is on its second iteration -- it was big and shapeless the first time, and now it fits better and the sleeves are actually the right narrowness and length, so I look somewhat less like I'm in borrowed garb. BUT I still am not happy with the points when attaching the center front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen involve a sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly different. Would this be a moment for another round of everybody's suggestions on how to get those points to behave? Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 16:07:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MK78Jl021741 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:07:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MK6H4d004186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MK6FP9098087; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MK6BP9098015 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from jessie2.webwarren.com (pcp0010285386pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.44.18.221]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7MK5v8U028548; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:06:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040822155358.068c5810@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:05:05 -0400 To: rencostumer@yahoogroups.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: kb4cyc@webwarren.com, capsuto@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT: Fwd: [SFI] huge Breast Cancer ribbon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://www.3m.com/us/office/postit/research/largest_pink_ribbon.jhtml > >Slightly off topic, but breast cancer is an issue that affects all too >many Fleeters. 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charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Lauren Walker wrote: > BUT I still am not happy with the points when attaching the center > front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen involve a > sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly > different. Would this be a moment for another round of everybody's > suggestions on how to get those points to behave? I've always found that setting the points in is easier by hand, not machine. What sort of problems are you having? It may interest people to know that on the Greenland gowns, the points of at least some of the gores are not sharp, but rounded or squared off. This is very clear in some of the photographs of the finds. I'm not sure why people are so fanatical about having narrow pointy points on their inset gores. One thing I sometimes do is to lay the single layer of the garment flat over my ironing board, right side up, and to arrange the gore point as I want it to look, folding the edges under. Then I baste in place from the front just to hold it together before picking it up and doing the proper stitching from the back. Sometimes I just blind-stitch from the front -- whatever holds it all in place. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 18:06:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MM6soA022195 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:06:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MM5x4d012046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MM5uP9052868; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:05:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7MM5sP9052789 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822220549.4794.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:05:49 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200408220102.26746.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would be better at the basic stuff if I enjoyed it. I could make all the clothes in my closet too, but I find the work boring and so my ebd result is not as good. When it comes fancier costumes, I enjoy the creativity and am able to spend hours working on it, even forget to eat....Designing, researching more complicated stuff. THe more basic stuff I prefer word of mouth or minimal research and get it over with. SO I avoid it most times. I wear anything that is either Tudor or 12th centruy and clothe my children the same to match. JAnet Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2004 12:15 am, Janet Renzetti wrote: > To tell you the truth....I am not very good at the basic stuff anyways....I > try to avoid it. THe more complicated the better. [snip] This puzzles me, but I'll take your word for it. I actually hate to sew, but I love to wear historic costume, and to devise and plan costumes. So I nerve myself to do the sewing periodically. I prefer the simpler stuff precisely because it's likelier to come out looking better, given my relative lack of basic sewing skill. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 18:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MMAGNR022217 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:10:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MM9I4d012363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MM9EP9054492; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7MM99P9054419 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822220904.32935.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:09:04 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is how it was explained...and I will search for what I have...as I Have said in other messages, it is not of much interest to me other than an easy project to help newbies get an idea of T-Tunics and have a sense of accomplishment. By the time I get back to you all with what info I received and other research this thread may be finished, but I will do what I can. I can only get to my e-mails once a week because of work. Janet Robin Netherton wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Janet Renzetti wrote: > Many poorer families used the laydown method, especially for children, > but more complicated patterns, like the one you refered to were more > popular and more comfortable. This statement caught my eye; are you referring to a particular medieval period? Can you point me to a source that supports this difference in approach? The two-seam construction strikes me as counterintuitive for poorer families, as a method using pieced geometric shapes (rectangular body, rectangular sleeves, underarm gussets, gores) is not only more durable, but also more economical of fabric. This would particularly be so for a child's garment that might be sewn from offcuts. The "laydown" method would also require wider fabric, which was apparently not readily available in much of the medieval period, and when it was available, was more expensive and probably not accessible to the poor. On the other hand, a child's garment might be attainable from the narrower widths. I don't know of any evidence for the "laydown" method from the period, so perhaps I'm missing something that indicates it being used in certain cases. I'd be interested to know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 18:19:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MMJAnV022252 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:19:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MMIC4d013150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MMI6P9058883; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MMI4P9058849 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:18:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29980 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:24:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:24:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness In-Reply-To: <20040822220904.32935.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Janet Renzetti wrote: > This is how it was explained...and I will search for what I have...as > I Have said in other messages, it is not of much interest to me other > than an easy project to help newbies get an idea of T-Tunics and have > a sense of accomplishment. By the time I get back to you all with > what info I received and other research this thread may be finished, > but I will do what I can. I can only get to my e-mails once a week > because of work. Whenever it's convenient; I appreciate it. The way you phrased your comment, I wondered if you had some particular evidence in mind for the use of the "laydown" method historically ... though I'd understand if this was just a matter of "I was taught this was the case." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 18:48:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MMmDVi022341 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:48:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MMkm4d015562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MMkiP9072395; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:46:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com (web41507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7MMkeP9072334 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040822224635.86781.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:46:35 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes wording has a great deal to do with it. IT was also the easiest way to describe it since a person, or we did it this way, would be laying down and tracing around the person leaving extra room do to seems and also getting into and out of the garment.....We just called it a basic T-Tunic, but it doesn't really describe it because also the tunics with the gores are considered the same. We also explain to the newbies that gores would be added in certain places if they were needed, etc. I will still search for my info or at least what I was given. Janet Robin Netherton wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Janet Renzetti wrote: > This is how it was explained...and I will search for what I have...as > I Have said in other messages, it is not of much interest to me other > than an easy project to help newbies get an idea of T-Tunics and have > a sense of accomplishment. By the time I get back to you all with > what info I received and other research this thread may be finished, > but I will do what I can. I can only get to my e-mails once a week > because of work. Whenever it's convenient; I appreciate it. The way you phrased your comment, I wondered if you had some particular evidence in mind for the use of the "laydown" method historically ... though I'd understand if this was just a matter of "I was taught this was the case." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 19:26:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MNQGdQ022520 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNPE4d018141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNPAP9090639; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNPAP9090590 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B7FE51800DFF for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:25:04 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2004 23:25:04 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 853043384B; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:25:04 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:25:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040822232504.853043384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LOL! I thought I was the only one who had this problem! I could make Elizabethan in my sleep and manage to mess up every t-tunic I have ever made. Mind you it isn't just in sewing - I aced High School calculus (95%) and failed algebra and geometry...go figure. :P Come to think of it, even in dance class, I could do the complicated & advanced moves and was completely stumped by the "beginer" ones. How odd. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Renzetti > To tell you the truth....I am not very good at the basic stuff anyways....I try to avoid it. THe more complicated the better. I prefer to make a Tudor court dress than a T-Tunic...I guess since my heart and soul aren't poured into them they don't turn out near as well even though there is hardly anything to them. I can make just about anything, but basic stuff never seems to feel right to me and I just procrastinate, unless teaching. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 19:31:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MNVSM9022542 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:31:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNUa4d018384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNUZP9092843; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNUXP9092805 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C0A301800BAE for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:30:28 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2004 23:30:28 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A422DC611C; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:30:28 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:30:28 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:30:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: millinery course X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040822233028.A422DC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Donna, Oh my, what a coincidence! Well, you will have to let me know what you think of it, since mine is after yours. I'm extremely envious of your previous millinery studies. I hope to continue with further instruction later. Well, I hope you enjoy your time on this side of the pond. There are lots of interesting things to see. We will definitely have to compare notes, and swap photos. : ) Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > Dear Danielle, > > I am planning to take the 5 day course at Wombourne in October!!!!! Small > world isn't it? :) I had planned to come to London to visit my daughter Kim > who is teaching gymnastics in South London and saw that this course was just > the time I would be in England so I applied. I have worked with blocking felt > for hats but not so much with straw or sinamay. I studied with a private > teacher in Los Angeles for two years who taught French Room Millinery technique > which means couture and very precise. All hand sewing and no gluing of anything > on the hat. I am looking forward to learning some new techniques and Kim > feels that I won't be hanging around waiting for her to get off from work all > week. We will still have time together (5 days) before I have to come back to > the States and plan to visit my husband's family in Bradford before I do. > > We will have to compare notes about the course at the end of November. :) > > Donna Scarfe -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 19:32:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MNWvUR022546 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNWC4d018509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNWAP9093590; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:32:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNW8P9093537 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:32:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C23301802337 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:32:03 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2004 23:32:03 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AB9E886AE9; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:32:03 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.66] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:32:03 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:32:03 +0000 Subject: Re: millinery was Re: [h-cost] question X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.66 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040822233203.AB9E886AE9@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really hope so. It is a shame Donna and I can't be on the same course. I think my biggest problem will be narrowing down my ideas to a reasonable selection for the course. If I can remember to get pictures, I will make sure they are posted somewhere. : ) Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "talk2meg" > Hi, Danielle. Your course sounds enticing and you'll have a lot of fun as > well, especially since Donna will be there too. What good luck that the two > of you will be sharing ideas afterward. Please share them with us > too--especially if you take pictures. 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Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 19:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7MNsNo1022658 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNrc4d019833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNrZP9002654; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7MNrWP9002637 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.3]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040822235331.EIFJ22270.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:53:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Fwd: [SFI] huge Breast Cancer ribbon Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:53:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [192.168.1.3] at Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:53:31 -0500 Message-Id: <20040822235331.EIFJ22270.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > From: Brenda Bell > Date: 2004/08/22 Sun PM 03:05:05 CDT > To: rencostumer@yahoogroups.com > CC: kb4cyc@webwarren.com, capsuto@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] OT: Fwd: [SFI] huge Breast Cancer ribbon > > > >http://www.3m.com/us/office/postit/research/largest_pink_ribbon.jhtml > > > >Slightly off topic, but breast cancer is an issue that affects all too > >many Fleeters. 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Follow up if you wish to... > > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 20:23:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N0NclN022930 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N0Mp4d021774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N0MmP9014966; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N0MjP9014951 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-026ilchicp0195.dialsprint.net ([65.178.136.195] helo=office) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bz2bk-0008Ad-L5 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c488a7$37f9a4c0$c388b241@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:20:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de260a528a5ada9267f3d26b88766f4f0a52350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.178.136.195 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Wilhemina. I had seen this one earlier. I can re-do it, but I was hoping to not do so. For those of you who are attracted to the Ascot dress: the original Cecil Beaton sketch (yes, the drawing!) sold for $29,500 on March 31, 2004 at auction. The dress itself sold at the same auction for $118,000. Wow! I don't know the current conversion for pounds sterling, but I can swear that's a whole lot of bucks ($$)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 > > Wilhelmina > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 22:08:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N28EBA023378 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N2634d027678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N25vP9054389; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.224]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7N25tP9054337 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Message-ID: <20040823020548.97859.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.195.103.29] by web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:05:48 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Carroll-Clark Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > I've always found that setting the points in is > easier by hand, not > machine. Robin's experience matches my own. What I usually do is sew the tip of the gore in from point down about an inch or two on one side, and then manipulate the fabric in my hands to sew in the other side. This has never worked nearly as well on a machine, and even when I machine-sew, I always hand-set the tips of the gores. > It may interest people to know that on the Greenland > gowns, the points of > at least some of the gores are not sharp, but > rounded or squared off. Mine usually come off slightly rounded at the tip. Fabric still lays nice and flat, though. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 23:32:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N3Vwgc023716 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N3VA4d003120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N3V7P9086044; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N3V6P9086006 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040823033100014007rhrne>; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:31:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:29:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for the advice and more for the goodwill. One problem I am having is just that I can't get the points to be pointy; knowing I could give up on real pointyness may help. I also have some that just end up behaving more like I've appliqued a point onto the single-layer piece, so that the point is bulky and tends to catch on things. On other attempts, for some reason, if I get ONE side of the point sewed down decently, the OTHER side will somehow stretch in the sewing and the whole thing will end up sort of ... wiggly, or curved sideways. My seam allowance seems to get narrower and narrower toward the point despite my best efforts. All of this is with hand-sewing, attempting to do a backstitch. Another problem I've created for myself is that I have been flat-felling or French-seaming my seams, and then I really CAN'T do that up in the point part of the gore. Is there a way to finish these seams? Silly little functional question: when you press and baste, do you turn under and press the seam allowance on the GORE or on the MAIN piece, or BOTH? I want to get the hang of this before I cut into this gorgeous cashmere/wool I'm hoping to use for an overtunic. So I'm doing a version in linen for practice. I may also take one more crack at remaking the green lightweight worsted...after all, we are only on the second version of it. Thanks again, Lauren > From: Robin Netherton > > On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Lauren Walker wrote: > >> BUT I still am not happy with the points when attaching the center >> front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen involve a >> sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly >> different. Would this be a moment for another round of everybody's >> suggestions on how to get those points to behave? > > I've always found that setting the points in is easier by hand, not > machine. > > What sort of problems are you having? > > It may interest people to know that on the Greenland gowns, the points of > at least some of the gores are not sharp, but rounded or squared off. This > is very clear in some of the photographs of the finds. I'm not sure why > people are so fanatical about having narrow pointy points on their inset > gores. > > One thing I sometimes do is to lay the single layer of the garment flat > over my ironing board, right side up, and to arrange the gore point as I > want it to look, folding the edges under. Then I baste in place from the > front just to hold it together before picking it up and doing the proper > stitching from the back. Sometimes I just blind-stitch from the front -- > whatever holds it all in place. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 22 23:56:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N3uvEt023778 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:56:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N3tu4d005006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:55:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N3tsP9096247; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.spiritone.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N3tqPA096223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7N3tmoT008762 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:55:49 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:05:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20040822232504.853043384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with Janet and Danielle about Tee Tunics and Tudors. I can do Tudor in various complexities and levels of authenticity, but the first Tee Tunics I did 20+ years ago are still the best I've ever done. I will also say that when I hear about the "Lay Down" and "cut round a shirt" method I cringe. I've seen too many times when this was done and the results were disastrous. This was because it was explained to new people and they followed the directions on good fabric. I've had more than one young lady or gentleman come to me practically in tears because the resultant "lay down" hadn't allowed enough room for wrap around or wearing ease and might have fit a skinny 6 year old. One young man had cut his out of Pendleton wool that he had gotten on sale at "only" $17.50 per yard! We put in a gore from wrist to ankle and did a contrasting piece to fill in the way too big neck hole. The neck hole problem is one I see frequently when someone has done the fold in quarters and cut method. Even when they have carefully measured everything else the new person has a tendency to cut that neck corner out too large (even some people who should know better, as I look carefully away from the mirror). This is why I like the rectangles and triangles method. Even then I have to be Very Careful when cutting the sleeves not to get them too tight. Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 00:11:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N4BRcB023822 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:11:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4Ai4d005980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4AhP9002308; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4AfP9002270 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.f.317ddc44 (3699) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:10:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5001 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] seams, seam finishes, and hems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been tasked by my mundane weaving guild to present a program on seams, seam finishes, and hems that have been and/or could be used on handwoven fabrics. I would like to include as many "period" examples as can be documented. Any help from this group would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) "This effervescence that you observe in me is intellectual carbonisation. Spiritual rejoicing. An entirely cerebral scintillation." Josephine Tey, "Daughter of Time" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 00:55:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N4tAFa024019 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4sG4d008719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4sFP9018216; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4sDP9018154 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616B470951 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:54:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from dialup-a2-134.Melbourne.netspace.net.au (dialup-a2-134.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.248.134]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:54:02 +1000 Message-ID: <1093236842.4129786a3f092@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:54:02 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO not happy with the points when attaching > the center front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen > involve a sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly > different Hard question to answer without knowing exactly what the directions for using a sewing machine are. If it has something to do with the foot pressing as you sew, you might try ironing or belting it flat with some kind of mallet before you sew or as you work on it (note: remove fingers from area of impact if malleting!). I hope this helps. Going way back in time, I have had to make a number of these damned things for assoted productions and assorted time periods. My favourite basic-plan-suits- all method is: Measure wrist to wrist as the maximum width Helpfully, many fabrics are pretty much this width anyhow which means no need to hem/edge the cuffs. About half this measurement gives you your body width; Measure from shoulder to knee and double this amount along the fabric with your sleeves across the middle of this length; Cut a hole dead-centre for the head, a little lower on the side that will be the front; The cut-out piece should look like a fat cross or like a Maltese cross depending upon how arty and stuff you wanna get; Fold it in half and sew up the sides and out to the cuffs; Belt it with an elaborate belt, a belt braided from off-cuts or with whatever suits. As I say, it's basic and obvious to many but a way to get one of these things done quickly when required. Fitting is minimal, shape is gained via the waist belting, comfort is maximum, sizing is wide-ranging. Oh yeah, please remind me to never take on anything Roman, Dark Ages or medieval again as long as I live, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 01:02:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N52Cik024122 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4p94d008601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4p6P9017096; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N4p4P9017084 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32068 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:57:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:57:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Lauren Walker wrote: > One problem I am having is just that I can't get the points to be pointy; > knowing I could give up on real pointyness may help. I wonder if the push for pointiness is a byproduct of people routinely using the machine. When you sew gores by machine the usual approach is to pivot around the needle at the turn, which (when you're good) gives you a sharp point. A rounded curve is harder to keep balanced by machine, but very easy by hand. > I also have some that just end up behaving more like I've appliqued a > point onto the single-layer piece, so that the point is bulky and > tends to catch on things. It could be that you're not snipping the slit of the main piece up high enough. Slit all the way to the seam line, like you're clipping a curve, and reinforce the slit with some tiny hand-stitching if you are worried about pulling. You might slit in a crow's-foot shape (kind of like a Y with the center line extending up to the top of the point); that gives you three clips in the curve of the top point, not just one. When you can open the main piece freely away from the point of the gore, it tends to lie flatter at the tip. > On other attempts, for some reason, if I get ONE side of the point > sewed down decently, the OTHER side will somehow stretch in the sewing > and the whole thing will end up sort of ... wiggly, or curved > sideways. That's easier to avoid if you start by laying it all face up with the edges of the gore tucked under and baste into place first. > My seam allowance seems to get narrower and narrower toward > the point despite my best efforts. Actually, that's a good thing. > All of this is with hand-sewing, attempting to do a backstitch. Start with a running stitch or basting. After you've got it just where you want it, go back and do your backstitch to reinforce. > Another problem I've created for myself is that I have been > flat-felling or French-seaming my seams, and then I really CAN'T do > that up in the point part of the gore. Is there a way to finish these > seams? If you're lucky enough to be working in a fulled wool, you can leave them raw, or overcast them, or stitch them down flat with a running stitch that barely comes through on the front. The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches. The binding strips are thin to start with, and the raw edges are turned under. It's awe-inspiring. I could never do handwork that fine. The binding doesn't go around the point -- it's two pieces of binding that come up the sides, cross each other at the point, and then keep going onto the main body fabric for another inch or so, making a little X shape. That's all on the inside. Must have made a great reinforcement of edges that would have otherwise been subject to stress and fraying. Me, I just avoid sewing gores into slits in anything of linen ;-) > Silly little functional question: when you press and baste, do you > turn under and press the seam allowance on the GORE or on the MAIN > piece, or BOTH? When basting: I turn the allowances under on the gore, which I've laid over the main piece (which is slit and opened to create an angle). I leave the very last bit of the slitting till after the basting is done. Then, when finishing, I usually turn the seam allowances toward the gore, but it really depends how it lies flattest, how I'm finishing the seams, and what the fabric wants to do. Any of the above is subject to change on a different piece of fabric. I mostly do what seems to work at the time. > I want to get the hang of this before I cut into this gorgeous cashmere/wool > I'm hoping to use for an overtunic. So I'm doing a version in linen for > practice. The wool will be easier -- more flexible, less likely to fray, won't show stitches as much. If you're working in linen, no wonder you're tearing out your hair. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 01:16:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N5GHhP024235 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N5FZ4d009703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N5FSP9026294; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N5FQP9026249 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m119.in-tch.com [216.166.191.119]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7N5En605275 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:14:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41297E65.30906@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:19:33 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Really? The stuff that we call "QA'sL" around here is *definitely* a white flower. hmmmm...must send a note to my friend Kian (County Weed King/Controller in the county next to this one....) --sue otsisto wrote: > It isn't a red drop. It is a red flower. You might do a search on web for > wild hemlock to see if that is what you have. Note some plant places can > make mistakes. One place I saw was selling a vine as witch hazel and it > really was Virginia creeper. > Good luck on the identifying and the dyeing. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > I keep finding the flower that is only pure white no red drop in the center. > > Is that also Q.A.L.? > > Kat > who wants to know before she tries to dye with it > > Original Message: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 01:24:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N5OgrM024267 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:24:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N5Nn4d010208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N5NkP9029528; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N5NiP9029501 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m119.in-tch.com [216.166.191.119]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7N5NC607320 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4129805D.9090200@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:27:57 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not fanatical about the points, I just don't find them difficult (and I don't have problems with underarm gussets, either). I figure it's probably a combination of too many years of precision sewing for a living, combined with a lot of hand-sewing of pieced quilts, which are all geometrics. I have not had a lot of success passing the skill on, though ;-( I think if I just *had* to get a precise point on a gore, and it wasn't cooperating, I'd sew the thing in, on either side, to within a couple of inches of the "top," and then I'd finish it by hand, treating the gore almost like I'd do a bit of applique, if that makes sense....(actually, it sounds much like what you do.) The rounded points on the greenland gowns are a handy thing to know, and make all kinds of sense, so thanks loads for pointing it out! --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Lauren Walker wrote: > > >>BUT I still am not happy with the points when attaching the center >>front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen involve a >>sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly >>different. Would this be a moment for another round of everybody's >>suggestions on how to get those points to behave? > > > I've always found that setting the points in is easier by hand, not > machine. > > What sort of problems are you having? > > It may interest people to know that on the Greenland gowns, the points of > at least some of the gores are not sharp, but rounded or squared off. This > is very clear in some of the photographs of the finds. I'm not sure why > people are so fanatical about having narrow pointy points on their inset > gores. > > One thing I sometimes do is to lay the single layer of the garment flat > over my ironing board, right side up, and to arrange the gore point as I > want it to look, folding the edges under. Then I baste in place from the > front just to hold it together before picking it up and doing the proper > stitching from the back. Sometimes I just blind-stitch from the front -- > whatever holds it all in place. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 04:01:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N81BqJ002516 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:01:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N80H4d017863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N7xlP9089052; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:59:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N7xhP9089026 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015012A813 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:59:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p026.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.28]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E28E0D3F3 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:59:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41297E65.30906@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Let me clarify. OA'sL is many white flowers on a stem with a red flower in the center. http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-queenanneslace.html This site should help, though they say it is a dark/deep purple flower(s). http://www.wes.army.mil/el/pmis/plants/html/conium_0.html this site is poison hemlock note that it does not have the central red/purple flower. De -----Original Message----- Really? The stuff that we call "QA'sL" around here is *definitely* a white flower. hmmmm...must send a note to my friend Kian (County Weed King/Controller in the county next to this one....) --sue otsisto wrote: > It isn't a red drop. It is a red flower. You might do a search on web for > wild hemlock to see if that is what you have. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 05:32:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N9WmBY024420 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:32:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N9W34d022607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N9VuP9023338; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N9VtP9023324 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-67-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.153]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7N9VkCb019165 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:31:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040823014846.0195e4d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:49:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BUT I still am not happy with the points when attaching >the center front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen >involve a sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly >different. Would this be a moment for another round of everybody's >suggestions on how to get those points to behave? I omit these gores entirely, having found them unnecessary for earlier periods. I get the fit I want without them. But then, I'm usually doing a later version of this cut, like for Elizabethan shirts, and by then there is no center gore. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 05:33:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7N9XE1D024424 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N9WZ4d022652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N9WYP9023624; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7N9VwP9023358 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-67-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.153]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7N9VkCd019165 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:31:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040823015208.0195e3d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:53:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Felling (was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Another problem I've created for myself is that I have been flat-felling or >French-seaming my seams, and then I really CAN'T do that up in the point >part of the gore. Is there a way to finish these seams? > >Silly little functional question: when you press and baste, do you turn >under and press the seam allowance on the GORE or on the MAIN piece, or >BOTH? Fell the gore seam allowance over the front, because the front one disappears and the gore one doesn't. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 06:21:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NAL480024604 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:21:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NAKK4d025636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NAKHP9041569; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7NAKFP9041511 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Message-ID: <20040823102010.37855.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.195.103.29] by web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:20:10 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Carroll-Clark Subject: Re: Felling (was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040823015208.0195e3d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > >Another problem I've created for myself is that I > have been flat-felling or > >French-seaming my seams, and then I really CAN'T do > that up in the point > >part of the gore. Is there a way to finish these > seams? When I'm working with linen, I generally just tack the seams down on both sides of the main seam, sometimes tucking it under for a smooth look. When I get close to the gore point, the seam allowances do get smaller and smaller. At the top of the gore, I clip close to the point, spread out what seam allowance there is, and tack it down with small stitches. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 06:33:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NAXmkB024682 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:33:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NAWx4d026241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NAWvP9046029; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NAWsP9045959 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6540@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: Felling (was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:32:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Another problem I've created for myself is that I >>have been flat-felling or >>French-seaming my seams, and then I really CAN'T do >>that up in the point >>part of the gore. Is there a way to finish these >>seams? > >When I'm working with linen, I generally just tack the >seams down on both sides of the main seam, sometimes >tucking it under for a smooth look. When I get close >to the gore point, the seam allowances do get smaller >and smaller. At the top of the gore, I clip close to >the point, spread out what seam allowance there is, >and tack it down with small stitches. I do about the same, except when I reach the top of the gore, only the seam allowance of the main body piece gets smaller - the gore seam allowance stays the same width. Then I fold the gore seam allowance over the body one (flat-felling). Of course, at the very top inch or so of the gore, I do hemstitching along the seam allowance of the body piece so it gets fixed to the fabric. The gore seam allowance is folded, and stitched to the fabric, thus covering the other tiny seam allowance. /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 07:25:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NBPGpf024862 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBOX4d028973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBOUP9066540; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBOSP9066513 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2W00HZGD0NQ6@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:24:23 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Seam Binding -was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4129D3E7.9080105@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams > bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches. The binding > strips are thin to start with, and the raw edges are turned under. It's > awe-inspiring. I could never do handwork that fine. The binding doesn't go > around the point -- it's two pieces of binding that come up the sides, > cross each other at the point, and then keep going onto the main body > fabric for another inch or so, making a little X shape. That's all on the > inside. Must have made a great reinforcement of edges that would have > otherwise been subject to stress and fraying. > Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 07:31:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NBV4t5024877 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBUQ4d029224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBUPP9068919; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBUNP9068893 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2W00ILUDAKW4@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:30:20 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" In-reply-to: <4129D3E7.9080105@optonline.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4129D54C.4050708@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <4129D3E7.9080105@optonline.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric -Jospeh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This wool finally at a price i would pay, and I keep wanting to buy some and make myself a coat for a mideastern outfit or a Gwaze Coat. I would feel like Joseph before he got himself sold to the slavers though :) http://www.fabricclub.com/store/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp? Shopper_id=1299821234571299&Store_id=181&page_id=23&Item_ID=130 J.A.Urbik wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams > >> bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches. The >> binding >> strips are thin to start with, and the raw edges are turned under. It's >> awe-inspiring. I could never do handwork that fine. The binding >> doesn't go >> around the point -- it's two pieces of binding that come up the sides, >> cross each other at the point, and then keep going onto the main body >> fabric for another inch or so, making a little X shape. That's all on the >> inside. Must have made a great reinforcement of edges that would have >> otherwise been subject to stress and fraying. >> > > Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 07:33:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NBXZXd024894 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:33:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBWr4d029344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBWqP9069859; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NBWmP9069828 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01983 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:38:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:38:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Seam Binding -was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-Reply-To: <4129D3E7.9080105@optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams > > bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches. The binding > > strips are thin to start with, and the raw edges are turned under. It's > > awe-inspiring. I could never do handwork that fine. The binding doesn't go > > around the point -- it's two pieces of binding that come up the sides, > > cross each other at the point, and then keep going onto the main body > > fabric for another inch or so, making a little X shape. That's all on the > > inside. Must have made a great reinforcement of edges that would have > > otherwise been subject to stress and fraying. > > Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? I don't know. I've never heard of a Hong Kong finish. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 08:09:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NC9Xf3025055 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:09:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NC8e4d001455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NC8cP9085396; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NC8aP9085383 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2W00GUQF28SB@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:08:33 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: Seam Binding -was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4129DE41.3020800@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > > >>Robin Netherton wrote: >> > The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams >> >>>bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches. The binding >>>strips are thin to start with, and the raw edges are turned under. It's >>>awe-inspiring. I could never do handwork that fine. The binding doesn't go >>>around the point -- it's two pieces of binding that come up the sides, >>>cross each other at the point, and then keep going onto the main body >>>fabric for another inch or so, making a little X shape. That's all on the >>>inside. Must have made a great reinforcement of edges that would have >>>otherwise been subject to stress and fraying. >> >> Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? > > > I don't know. I've never heard of a Hong Kong finish. > > --Robin Here is a brief (not the best directions) bit of stuff about the hong kong finishes. http://www.diynet.com/diy/na_sewing/article/0,2025,DIY_14144_2276784,00.html It is not all that fine, but after looking at many of my pieces of nice cloths, i find that many have hong kong finishes, so I have started doing them also. I am jazzed cause it takes a while but i read about a quicker way to get the sam result in an old threads of mine-can't give you chaper and verse cause my friend has the magazine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 08:20:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NCKpmt025109 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCJr4d002013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCJqP9089978; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCJoP9089925 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040823121944014007nlnoe>; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:19:44 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:18:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the good advice. I mean, some of this is obviously that I'm still learning the sewing required for this kind of clothing. My re-making of things is teaching me the value of basting and pressing and prep work in general, but sometimes I am not clever enough to take proper advantage of it. I am immensely grateful for your close description of the St. Louis shirt, as it is so old -- I'm still mucking about in 12th century or earlier -- and I've seen the little "x" in drawings of it and wondered what was up with it. > From: Robin Netherton > If you're lucky enough to be working in a fulled wool, you can leave them > raw, or overcast them, or stitch them down flat with a running stitch that > barely comes through on the front. Oh, goody. The wool I will be working on over the winter is gorgeously fulled, as I gave it ye olde traditional fulling in the Kenmore. (Washer, not dryer -- the stuff I've fulled in the dryer is probably more authentic, but too heavy to wear indoors in 21st C centrally-heated homes. I have an 18th C cloak and petticoat that got the washer-dryer treatment, and are great for spring and fall events in historic unheated locations.) But anyway, it shouldn't fray, and if I want to bind the edges, perhaps I'll use the St. Louis technique with a bit of silk, since the London finds *suggest* (no real examples of it as a seam binding) that silk was sometimes used to reinforce edges in wool garments (that sleeve button-placket, some necklines.) > > The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams > bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches. The binding > strips are thin to start with, and the raw edges are turned under. It's > awe-inspiring. I could never do handwork that fine. The binding doesn't go > around the point -- it's two pieces of binding that come up the sides, > cross each other at the point, and then keep going onto the main body > fabric for another inch or so, making a little X shape. That's all on the > inside. Must have made a great reinforcement of edges that would have > otherwise been subject to stress and fraying. I've been sewing itsy-bitsy, single-thread blanket stitched edgings onto lightweight cotton doll clothes for dollhouse-sized (1 inch = 1 foot scale) -- they end up looking a little like a picot lace -- so I am getting the hang of tiny stitches. Any chance that the binding on the St. Louis was a narrow tape with selvedged edges? I've also been learning to weave simple linen binding tapes, but I have no idea how far back they go. The tunic I've wrangled most with is a lightweight worsted wool that's been run through the washer and dryer a few times. (Worsted won't really full up, but it changes a little and seems less modern, plus, thereafter it can safely be washed at least in cold.) I think maybe, lightweight wool being what it is, it's just so stretch that I really need to work with the points with the garment supported on a table (as well as pressing and basting and pinning.) I've been finding -- since I got my nice cutting table and started leaving it out all the time -- that some bits of precision sewing really can only be done if the weight of the cloth is supported and flat. So I'll probably go after these points one more time, and then do the linen one, and then I'll feel ready to do the cashmere-wool. I also have a linen stripe I want to make up as a triangles-and-rectangles cut tunic so that all the gores and details are higlighted by the stripes, as a kind of homage to that kind of cut. But I've been debating whether to do the center gores or not. Now they are a challenge! Anyway, thank you again. I am really enjoying learning on these projects. I find that I don't hate sewing so long as I'm playing with *sewing*. When I want the finished *garment*, then it all becomes unpleasant and slow and frustrating. But if you've ever warped a loom, you've learned to delay gratification, and I spent two winters warping three-to-four yard projects so that I'd just have to do it over and over again until I got comfortable with it. So now I apply that approach to sewing. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 08:43:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NChJpq025301 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCgS4d003314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCfjP9099449; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mdx.safepages.com (mail2.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCffP9099403 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail2.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 436E01D1216; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:41:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust49.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.49]) by mail2.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0383E1D1212 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <020f01c4890e$cd0cc490$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Istok Q X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm considering ordering some fabric from Istok, but I want to be sure of the weight, and their catalog has left out the units! The silks have weights such as 0.50, but 0.50 what?! If it's grams per square meter, then the fabric would be impossibly light, and kilograms per square meter, then it would be ridiculously heavy! (Maybe the metallics weigh a whole lot more than I expected? Like, 100-150 momme, or 12-18 oz?) Has anyone ever been able to figure out what system they use for weight? Or more sensibly, has anyone gotten samples/fabric from them who can give me a good guess as to the weight? (And how do you !^%$!&% order samples--the website says you can order a samples packet from the fabric section, but I can't find it listed anywhere.) -E, planning a tres riche heures cote, but ever reluctant to actually email a website... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:00:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ND0SI3025384 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCxZ4d004488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCxWP9007664; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NCxTP9007632 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02550 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:05:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:05:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Seam Binding -was Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-Reply-To: <4129DE41.3020800@optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > >> Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? > > > > I don't know. I've never heard of a Hong Kong finish. > > > > --Robin > > Here is a brief (not the best directions) bit of stuff about the hong > kong finishes. > http://www.diynet.com/diy/na_sewing/article/0,2025,DIY_14144_2276784,00.html > > It is not all that fine, but after looking at many of my pieces of > nice cloths, i find that many have hong kong finishes, so I have > started doing them also. I am jazzed cause it takes a while but i > read about a quicker way to get the sam result in an old threads of > mine-can't give you chaper and verse cause my friend has the magazine. I can't quite tell from this page what's going on, since it doesn't define or describe what you're aiming for, and there's no close picture of the finished seam. But if what they're doing is wrapping a bias strip around a seam allowance, that's not what was done on the St. Louis shirt. On that piece, the binding (which I believe was straight-grain) lay flat on the fabric, covering the flattened seam allowance, and stitched down with its edges turned under. I *think* the allowances lay in one direction under the binding. It was all so small. It looked exactly like flat-felling till I realized that both sides of the binding were stitched down, so I wasn't just looking at the lump of an allowance that was pressed to one side and turned under. I just pulled out my slides of the shirt, and reminded myself that the gore fabric puckers noticeably for about an inch or two along at least one side of the point (the other side was obscured by a fold of the hanging fabric), and there's some puckering of the main fabric as well, particularly a slight fold going up from the end of the slit, where the point is inset. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:10:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDA2G0025449 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ND8s4d005339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ND8oP9012105; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net (shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ND8lPA012042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1BzEbD-0001Lj-00; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:10:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: teawithablackdragon * Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We just got back last night from the Newport Vintage Dance Week. Don't know how many list members were there. I enjoyed a week in the past with no computers or tv's........ Katy On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, teawithablackdragon * wrote: >I did't even have Pennic Party to go to this year and the list was quiet. > >Wilhelmina > > >>From: Susan Farmer >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is the list really quiet or am I having email >>problems? >>Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) >> >> > >> > Greetings, >> > >> > I've had almost no H-costume emails for the last day or two and was >>wondering what is up...I can't figure out if it is the stupid webmail or >>just a super quiet day or two on the list... >> >>My guess is that it's just quite. Depending on the SCA contingent on >>this list maybe they went to PA for the last weekend of Pennsic -- >>or they are at a local Pennsic Pity Party event. >> >>Jerusha/ Susan >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDACtw025453 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ND9F4d005367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ND9EP9012313; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ND95PA012209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7ND7jTA026002 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:07:45 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4129EC6B.7040904@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:08:59 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q References: <020f01c4890e$cd0cc490$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <020f01c4890e$cd0cc490$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > Or more sensibly, has > anyone gotten samples/fabric from them who can give me a good guess as to > the weight? And what they're really made of? Some of the descriptions say "artificial silk" and some don't, but they're similarly priced. I am dubious that they're silk-from-silkworms. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent The one time in my life I visit Loch Ness and I miss getting to see a virgin sacrifice by a few days. That's just my luck. -- Alex Boese on the plan by the British White Witches to sacrifice a female virgin and some veggies to bring Nessie up from the depths of Loch Ness in Sept '04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:34:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDYLis025624 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDXT4d007271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDXOP9024775; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDXKP9024715 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m138.in-tch.com [216.166.191.138]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7NDVw603498 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4129F2EB.5050008@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:36:43 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, okay! The first site gives the red-flower thing as a variant (dang, but it looks peculiar! ) Thanks for the links. I'll have to look more closely at some, the next time I see it, to see if ours has the red flower or not. I haven't actually paid that close attention to it, just more aware of it as a weed that tends to grow in empty lots and disturbed ground, when it's not crowded out by the #@$!! knapweed. --sue otsisto wrote: > Let me clarify. OA'sL is many white flowers on a stem with a red flower in > the center. > http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-queenanneslace.html > This site should help, though they say it is a dark/deep purple flower(s). > > http://www.wes.army.mil/el/pmis/plants/html/conium_0.html this site is > poison hemlock note that it does not have the central red/purple flower. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:36:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDaIQV025629 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDZP4d007464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDZOP9025957; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.21]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDZGP9025878 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:35:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 9458393A8B; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:35:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust162.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.162]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AB1B93A82 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:35:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <022901c48916$483b2ce0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:36:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > > Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? It sounds like it could be a hong kong finish, or what used to be called a strap seam finish (though I've seen both finishes called a hong kong finish in modern sewing)--I wonder if there's a diagram of the St. Louis shirt seam finish anywhere? Which description fits better: A) the seam allowances are spread apart, and a separate narrow strip of linen is used to bind each edge (in other words, 2 strips per seam), or B) the seam allowances are spread apart, and a single wider strip of linen covers both edges at once? Or possibly C) the seam allowances are both folded to one side, and a single narrow strip of linen binds both edges? Also, is there any top-stitching, or are the seams finished completely on the back? Are any raw edges of the linen strips exposed, or is the linen folded like a tiny straight grain version of bias tape? -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:42:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDgdGw025655 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:42:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDfu4d007977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDfrP9029926; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDfpP9029830 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m138.in-tch.com [216.166.191.138]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7NDfE606270 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4129F516.5040201@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:45:58 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q References: <020f01c4890e$cd0cc490$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4129EC6B.7040904@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <4129EC6B.7040904@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The stuff I've actually seen folks use, although sometimes very lovely, has never quite *looked* like the real thing to me, either (and unfortunately, it's never been in quite the sort of social situation wherein I could go up and ask to fondle their hem, let alone do a flame test ). --sue Cynthia Virtue wrote: > E House wrote: > >> Or more sensibly, has >> anyone gotten samples/fabric from them who can give me a good guess as to >> the weight? > > > And what they're really made of? Some of the descriptions say > "artificial silk" and some don't, but they're similarly priced. I am > dubious that they're silk-from-silkworms. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:44:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDis7l025662 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:44:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDiG4d008264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDiEP9031413; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDi9P9031257 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:43:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6545@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:43:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: E House [mailto:formfunc@formfunction.org] Sent: 23 August 2004 14:37 Which description fits better: A) the seam allowances are spread apart, and a separate narrow strip of linen is used to bind each edge (in other words, 2 strips per seam), or B) the seam allowances are spread apart, and a single wider strip of linen covers both edges at once? Or possibly C) the seam allowances are both folded to one side, and a single narrow strip of linen binds both edges? B) AFAIK. But then I've not seen the shirt IRL, only as diagrams on Marc Carlson's site ('Some clothing of the Middle ages' - the web address escapes me). /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 09:50:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NDoqV6025683 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:50:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDni4d008786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDnhP9034835; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDnbP9034721 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-8.12) id A5E75E40044; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:49:27 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.114 ([209.131.81.114] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 23 Aug 04 13:49:26 -0000 Message-ID: <009101c48918$f5f65b00$725183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:56:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had to make a dozen or so a couple of years ago. Using a basic 18" blank. I added about 10" of additional straw or heavy buckram extensions and then supported the new larger brim with strips of rigiline. Then all the fun of ornamentation! I attached one or two 'pointed' elastic bands (like for masks) to assist the wearing; hat pins were not enough, especially for young women who were not used to wearing big hats. I have some hats from this era and find that for the most part, the under brim is frequently lined, so that the extension is cleverly disguised. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&TI=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 > > Wilhelmina > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 10:02:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NE2whO025754 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDpq4d009002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:51:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDppP9036132; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail3.mdx.safepages.com (mail3.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NDpoP9036106 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail3.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C9DA388FC6; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:51:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust162.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.162]) by mail3.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E144588F47 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:51:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023e01c48918$9a820850$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <020f01c4890e$cd0cc490$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4129EC6B.7040904@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:53:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" > And what they're really made of? Some of the descriptions say > "artificial silk" and some don't, but they're similarly priced. I am > dubious that they're silk-from-silkworms. Yeah, really! I do remember hearing in the past from people who've ordered form them that they DID receive actual silkworm silk, but what with the new website lumping the brocades into either "silk" or "brocade" rather than giving individual fiber content, I'm a bit nervous about just ordering outright. Especially since the identical pattern under "brocade" cost 2 or 3 times as much as it does under "silk"! Ok, I'm emailing them. Hopefully I'll get a response this year. -E (isn't good about answering her email, so she really shouldn't cast stones...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 10:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NECekt025793 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEBv4d010562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEBrP9047319; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net (shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEBlPA047203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1BzFa9-0005e3-00; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:13:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Julie Subject: Re: [h-cost] peony In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a wonderful David Austin rose, I heartily second the recommendation. It is pale pink, tea cup shape, with a fantastic scent, and it keeps blooming all summer. It did die back this winter due to the unusually cold spell we had though but is doing well now. Costume content: I'd love to embroider that type of rose on an 1890's ball gown. maybe once the boys are in college....... Katy On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Julie wrote: >I love the pictures of peonies but they don't grow here (San Diego) - we >don't get cold enough. So instead I grow the old fashioned roses that LOOK >like peonies. David Austin is one brand name of these beauties. Then I >plant lavender and scented geraniums between them. > >Julie > > >>> I love flowers, >>> I think that every art comes from the love of flowers. >>> So here is my question for you >>> >>> Wich flower do you consider the most colourfull and the most beautifull >>> I love the peony flower, >>> but also it is a little vulgar, >>> Still.... i love the peony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 >>> Bjarne >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 10:22:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NEMNWx025842 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NELR4d011369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NELMP9053152; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NELJP9053097 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03198 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:27:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:27:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding In-Reply-To: <022901c48916$483b2ce0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, E House wrote: > Which description fits better: A) the seam allowances are spread > apart, and a separate narrow strip of linen is used to bind each edge > (in other words, 2 strips per seam), or B) the seam allowances are > spread apart, and a single wider strip of linen covers both edges at > once? Or possibly C) the seam allowances are both folded to one side, > and a single narrow strip of linen binds both edges? C, I think. Possibly B, but the allowances would have to be impossibly small. > Also, is there any top-stitching, or are the seams finished completely > on the back? The stitching lines come through to the front, as the binding strip is laid flat against the garment, not wrapped around the allowances. I wouldn't necessarily call that top-stitching, since I presume this was worked from the back. It looks essentially like flat-fell. > Are any raw edges of the linen strips exposed, or is the linen folded > like a tiny straight grain version of bias tape? Near as I could tell, it was folded, like single-fold bias tape, but much tinier. I saw no raw edges on the undamaged areas that were visible to me. Heather Rose Jones could probably provide more insight. She had the same view I did, but she took better notes, and did a nice summary of the shirt (and corrections to Burnham) in an article in TI a few years ago. I should note that the closest we (and anyone else, AFAIK) can get is a foot or two away, viewing it through the glass case in which it hangs. We haven't handled the garment, and we can see only the parts that are visible while it is hanging. Fortunately it is hanging inside out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 10:24:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NEOCDE025855 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NENA4d011558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEN9P9054341; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEN5P9054280 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03226 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:29:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:29:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q In-Reply-To: <023e01c48918$9a820850$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, E House wrote: > Ok, I'm emailing them. Hopefully I'll get a response this year. I have a friend who did get a sample pack, but she didn't let me burn up any of her samples ;-) It's been a long time since I've seen it, and at that time I didn't know about the bleach test, which would be a perfect way to find out and require only a tiny snip off the corner of each sample. The samples were drop-dead gorgeous. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 10:37:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NEb2v3025916 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEa94d012716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEa8P9062504; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEa1P9062434 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id E02372683C; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:36:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust162.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.162]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 350982683C for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:35:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <025101c4891e$c527ca80$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:37:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, amazingly enough, I already got a response! Kind of wish I hadn't, because: ___________ Dear Valued Customer, The set in question is listed in the main Fabrics section. Most labels do indicate composition, but some do not. That's because our supplier doesn't have any information about that. Brocades and church silks that we offer are generally made of 60% rayon and 40% polyephir. Regards, Sales Dept. Istok Enterprises, Inc. www.istok.net www.istok.ca __________ Incidentally, I STILL cannot find the )*(&!$&)!*&!!1 sample set! -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 10:52:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NEqppl026000 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEpS4d014301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NEpOP9073254; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com (outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7NEpKP9073135 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail21.nyc.untd.com [10.140.30.163]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAUWBCFAWPM7Y2 for (sender ); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:50:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgLr+2DxFuv6i0P9+tiHR5ISLY/Qq/xOeQ== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail21.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5QQ2X4C; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:49:47 PDT Received: from [4.158.153.97] by webmail21.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:49:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.153.97] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:49:40 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] peony X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040823.074947.21843.385051@webmail21.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:832837342 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have several of the David Austin English roses as well as my Antques. I'm particularly fond of his 'Lilac Rose' and his 'Heritage Rose'. Karen -- Katy Bishop wrote: I have a wonderful David Austin rose, I heartily second the recommendation. It is pale pink, tea cup shape, with a fantastic scent, and it keeps blooming all summer. It did die back this winter due to the unusually cold spell we had though but is doing well now. Costume content: I'd love to embroider that type of rose on an 1890's ball gown. maybe once the boys are in college....... Katy ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 11:25:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NFPEsc026274 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFOF4d017628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFO9P9098484; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f44.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.94]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFO7P9098389 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:24:01 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:24:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:24:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 15:24:01.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[37E38770:01C48925] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Robin Netherton >I wonder if the push for pointiness is a byproduct of people routinely >using the machine. When you sew gores by machine the usual approach is to >pivot around the needle at the turn, which (when you're good) gives you a >sharp point. A rounded curve is harder to keep balanced by machine, but >very easy by hand. In my case, the push for pointy is that's what's in the drawings :) OTOH, I don't use a machine. > > My seam allowance seems to get narrower and narrower toward > > the point despite my best efforts. >Actually, that's a good thing. Since otherwise you are violating laws of physics and things :) Actually the dissapearing seam allowance is where I have my hardest problems with these things also. >The St. Louis shirt, which is of very fine linen, actually has the seams >bound with linen strips sewn in infinitesimally tiny stitches... I should try to remember this the next time I sew one of these things. Thank you. Just as a suggestion. I find that if I start sewing at the point of the gore (with the fabric under constant tension, sew down abou 6 -10 inches, then go sew down the other side, I can keep things neat and tidy (I suspect that if I were doing this all day every day I could just zip down the one side than the other, with no sweat, but if I sew a complete garment a lustrum, I'm ahead of the game :) Marc _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 11:30:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NFUrtw026340 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:30:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFTr4d018160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFTRP9002565; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFSpP9002139 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004082315284401600juvooe>; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:28:45 +0000 Message-ID: <0d5901c48925$a49cef00$6500a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040823.074947.21843.385051@webmail21.nyc.untd.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] head wrap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are there instructions any where online on 1) how to make this and 2) how to wrap it? http://www.historicenterprises.com/images_store/products_large/product_128.jpg Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 11:38:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NFcGtu026372 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:38:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFbT4d019065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFbNP9009115; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7NFbJP9008984 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/On0rYk9uBb6o9nPQGk5/9YE= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5QSZXE3; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:24:10 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:00:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20040823.082356.244.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] carpet stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a bit off topic, but does anyone have any ideas for getting pee stains (and smells) out of a carpet? The carpet is sort of beige-drab. It also sports a horrific coffee stain (stains not related, save by carpet). Thank you for your advice. Arlys ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 11:47:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NFlcQ8026413 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFkm4d020244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFkdP9016644; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFkYPA016536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NFjHTA028775 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:45:17 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412A1157.4030102@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:46:31 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q References: <025101c4891e$c527ca80$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <025101c4891e$c527ca80$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > Well, amazingly enough, I already got a response! Kind of wish I hadn't, > because: > The set in question is listed in the main Fabrics section. Most labels do > indicate composition, but some do not. That's because our supplier doesn't > have any information about that. Brocades and church silks that we offer > are generally made of 60% rayon and 40% polyephir. Aha! They are gorgeous, though, so if the sort of historical stuff you're doing doesn't get too fussy about fiber content, or allows for odd fibers if the look is right, they should be great. Digression: there's an ebay seller that has some nice churchy stuff, which is described as "celtic cross." But what it is, is equal-armed cross with a wreath of thorns around it. I sure hope the folks that use it realize it is strongly symbolic! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent There are a lot of people who don't believe what they read in the newspaper, but will believe any fool thing someone forwards to them in email. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 11:51:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NFpEnZ026424 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFo64d020635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFo3P9019159; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:50:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NFn4PA018401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NFlmTA028876 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:47:48 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412A11EE.5090107@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:49:02 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] head wrap References: <20040823.074947.21843.385051@webmail21.nyc.untd.com> <0d5901c48925$a49cef00$6500a8c0@ches> In-Reply-To: <0d5901c48925$a49cef00$6500a8c0@ches> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got that same question from a friend! I'm planning to write up how I wrap mine that I got from these folks, tonight. Note that I think for price/performance, buying it from them is a great idea. You need a fairly heavy and friction-y linen to work well. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent The one time in my life I visit Loch Ness and I miss getting to see a virgin sacrifice by a few days. That's just my luck. -- Alex Boese on the plan by the British White Witches to sacrifice a female virgin and some veggies to bring Nessie up from the depths of Loch Ness in Sept '04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 12:13:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NGDRsL026536 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:13:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGBJ4d023123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGBDP9035994; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:11:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7NGB0P9035801 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Message-ID: <20040823161054.20251.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.69.255.245] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:10:54 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quietness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whenever this method is used, we recommend using/purchasing old sheets or buy from the bargain bin (less than $4/m). After they get the idea then also provide them with the gore concept. I personally prefer gores, but with Tudor dresses, I like fullness and any tunic or chemise/underdress without gores just don't feel right. I try to stress these things, but they are given the first instruction if it is needed. I know I didn't bring this part up earlier of materials, and I want to apologize. I didn't not mean to cause a big raucus in here, especially when I can only get to the internet on the weekends (truck stop internet is expensive and I lost my wireless card). Janet Wanda Pease wrote: I agree with Janet and Danielle about Tee Tunics and Tudors. I can do Tudor in various complexities and levels of authenticity, but the first Tee Tunics I did 20+ years ago are still the best I've ever done. I will also say that when I hear about the "Lay Down" and "cut round a shirt" method I cringe. I've seen too many times when this was done and the results were disastrous. This was because it was explained to new people and they followed the directions on good fabric. I've had more than one young lady or gentleman come to me practically in tears because the resultant "lay down" hadn't allowed enough room for wrap around or wearing ease and might have fit a skinny 6 year old. One young man had cut his out of Pendleton wool that he had gotten on sale at "only" $17.50 per yard! We put in a gore from wrist to ankle and did a contrasting piece to fill in the way too big neck hole. The neck hole problem is one I see frequently when someone has done the fold in quarters and cut method. Even when they have carefully measured everything else the new person has a tendency to cut that neck corner out too large (even some people who should know better, as I look carefully away from the mirror). This is why I like the rectangles and triangles method. Even then I have to be Very Careful when cutting the sleeves not to get them too tight. Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 12:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NGLLMn026574 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGFB4d023487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGF7P9038968; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav5.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGF2P9038832 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:05:27 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav5.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:05:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:05:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 16:05:27.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[01BA1D70:01C4892B] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Question, do you have to be a size b cup or smaller to be an athlete in the > Olympics? I guess if they were any bigger it would hamper your performance. I think it's also the fact that most athletes started training before puberty. Intensive training tends to keep things smaller. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 12:38:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NGcI77026663 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:38:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGb64d026071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGavP9055856; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav11.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGasP9055730 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:28:24 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav11.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:28:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:23:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 16:28:24.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[36131E20:01C4892E] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > One problem I am having is just that I can't get the points to be pointy; > knowing I could give up on real pointyness may help. Mine come out slightly rounded at the top. > if I get ONE side of the point sewed down > decently, the OTHER side will somehow stretch in the sewing and the whole > thing will end up sort of ... wiggly, or curved sideways. You could probably try setting the very top first, and then moving down the sides as you go. > My seam allowance > seems to get narrower and narrower toward the point despite my best efforts. That's normal. I end up with a one or two-millimeter seam allowance in the point, at least in the dress fabric. I try to leave more extra in the point fabric, so I can tack the top of the point up onto the garment when I'm done. > Silly little functional question: when you press and baste, do you turn > under and press the seam allowance on the GORE or on the MAIN piece, or > BOTH? I turn it all out on the main piece, and sew a triangle over the top point of the gore through all layers, so it doesn't move. > I want to get the hang of this before I cut into this gorgeous cashmere/wool > I'm hoping to use for an overtunic. So I'm doing a version in linen for > practice. Keep in mind that wool will probably be easier to work with than linen. Also, I've started making flat front tunics, and sewing gores in the sides only. They're so much less trouble, and they look better to me without that point in front. But that's just me :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 12:40:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NGekBA026699 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:40:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGdm4d026327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGdhP9057746; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGdbP9057643 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19491 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:39:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Probably female swimmers, divers, and gymnasts especially also have a hard time getting to Olympic level if they are top-heavy so to speak. Frankly, I'd love to see the so-called full-coverage swimsuits mass-marketed in a breathable fabric, of course. Here would be the selling points: No more worry about losing the tops or bottoms of your suit, girls! Wear the suit world and Olympic class atheletes wear! More exposed skin, the more money you'll spend later on at the plastic surgeon removing the damage, to say nothing of the risk of skin cancer. Our 19th and early 20th century ancestors covered up at the beach. Maybe they were on to something. You self-tan anyway with chemical tanners, save money on SPF-skin protecting lotions with this suit. and the most aesthetically pleasing answer-- Got cellulite on your thighs and butt girls--save money on surgical removal and bogus "cures"--all you need is this suit! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 12:43:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NGhf0m026711 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:43:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGgN4d026679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGgHP9059818; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NGgDP9059717 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EB6EAE47B6; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:42:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust53.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.53]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CB241E471D for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:42:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <027301c48930$67575a30$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <025101c4891e$c527ca80$0400a8c0@compaqub> <412A1157.4030102@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Istok Q Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:44:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sigh, I'm just too much of a fabric snob to go with anything less than silk. (Fabric snobbery is very inconvenient. Around 6 months ago I accidentally got some wool that had been infected with a dab of lycra, because I was in too much of a hurry, and I'm still kicking myself every time I see it.) I'm planning to make the lovely blue brocade cote worn by Ms. April in Tres Riche Heures, and the thought of getting reasonably similar fabric for less than $20/yd was oh-so-tempting.... Maybe if I get that very expensive sample set I'll weaken and buy it anyway, though. Oh well. I'm working on a line of what I'm calling Pre-Raphaelite clothing as a side venture, so now I know where I'll get the fabric for my Godspeed gown! -E ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Virtue" > Aha! > > They are gorgeous, though, so if the sort of historical stuff you're > doing doesn't get too fussy about fiber content, or allows for odd > fibers if the look is right, they should be great. > > Digression: there's an ebay seller that has some nice churchy stuff, > which is described as "celtic cross." But what it is, is equal-armed > cross with a wreath of thorns around it. I sure hope the folks that use > it realize it is strongly symbolic! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 13:03:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NH3XU1026785 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:03:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH1m4d028999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH1jP9075031; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH1cP9074921 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7NHba5c015438 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7NHba32015437 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408231737.i7NHba32015437@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT In-Reply-To: <41297E65.30906@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Really? The stuff that we call "QA'sL" around here is *definitely* a > white flower. > hmmmm...must send a note to my friend Kian (County Weed King/Controller > in the county next to this one....) The flowers are *usually* red -- but like in all organisms, there is the occasional albino -- or population of albinos. A whiff of the root will *usually tell you if it's QAL or not. If you've got a hand lens and want to et up close and personal with the plant; I can give you some other characters to check. Jerusha > otsisto wrote: > > It isn't a red drop. It is a red flower. You might do a search on web for > > wild hemlock to see if that is what you have. Note some plant places can > > make mistakes. One place I saw was selling a vine as witch hazel and it > > really was Virginia creeper. > > Good luck on the identifying and the dyeing. > > > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I keep finding the flower that is only pure white no red drop in the center. > > > > Is that also Q.A.L.? > > > > Kat > > who wants to know before she tries to dye with it > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 13:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NH3wor026796 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:03:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH2g4d029124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH2cP9075784; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH2YP9075702 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04395 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:08:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:08:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Cindy Abel wrote: > Frankly, I'd love to see the so-called full-coverage swimsuits > mass-marketed in a breathable fabric, of course. In the late 1980s, I started wearing a triathlete's suit for swimming. The suits are unitards that go down to almost knee-length, designed for someone to go straight from the bike seat to the pool (or vice versa). There was one time at the city pool where a guard wouldn't let me in because she wouldn't believe it was swimwear, but otherwise people just thought I was an athlete of some sort (ha). Why did I like this suit? Because I hate shaving my upper thighs! (And if I don't, believe me, I can't be seen in a conventional suit.) That unitard is long worn out, but since then I've done my exercise swimming (when I've taken water aerobics or the like) in bike shorts and a spandex tank top meant for sports, or two layers of tops for more support, or an exercise leotard layered over the bike shorts and spandex tank. Since these things aren't technically made for swim wear, the important thing is to make sure they're poly, not cotton, or they'll fade (and eventually dissolve) in the chlorinated pool water. I do have a couple of "conventional" suits that I wear a few times a year -- say, on a vacation, when I'm going to be swimming with friends. And, yuck, I have to shave. At least Lands' End suits aren't obscenely high-cut. --Robin who would be happy in a 1920s bathing costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 13:10:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NHAcsG026815 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:10:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH984d029982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH94P9080765; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NH91P9080713 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.190] (p30.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.190]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7NH7wG30432 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:07:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:12:34 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought it was because they are almost all muscle with very little body fat and breasts are almost all fat. At least I think that applies to female body builders, if not all athletes. Sylrog On Aug 23, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> Question, do you have to be a size b cup or smaller to be an athlete >> in > the >> Olympics? I guess if they were any bigger it would hamper your > performance. > > I think it's also the fact that most athletes started training before > puberty. Intensive training tends to keep things smaller. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 13:24:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NHOZTY026896 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NHMt4d001509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NHMrJ7092351; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NHMnJ7092244 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248AA425D5 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412A281D.6020701@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:23:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] advice request for coat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > I bought some Simplicity patterns at the Joanne's 99 cent sale last week. > One is for the Pirates of the Caribbean costume, which takes SIX yards of > fabric for the coat. That pattern assumes your fabric has nap, like velvet. If you used trigger or some other non-nap material, you could probably get away with reversing some of the coat pieces and saving a yard or two. > I don't know what to do about > the kids in between. I would work with the smallest adult size, and cut that down some. > > What should I do to make these light-weight, fairly cool to wear, and > pretty much indestructable? I plan to do at least one for Halloween, as a > test. Stick to good sewing techniques and don't take too many shortcuts. Linen makes a fantastic lightweight and cool lining, and you might still be able to find spring colors on clearance. A box of RIT will change it from pink to brown. > > I don't know if the pirate coat is too full for a real > Colonial gentleman, but I think he would have a lot more fun wearing it, and > in this case fun is most important. I think the 'pirate' coat is a good 50 years earlier than the other style, but if it's not that important then don't worry about it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 14:21:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NILm5Y028122 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIKb4d007729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIKVJ7037561; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIKRJ7037467 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 96F0526798; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:20:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust53.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.53]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 16632267A6 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:20:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001201c4893e$1d5b31f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.1.20040823014846.0195e4d0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I find the inset center godets very easy to flat fell, especialy by hand--if these directions are unclear, I can probably manage to take some pics on this irritating new digcam sometime today. When you insert the godet, allow the seam allowances of the slit to get narrower near the point, as usual, but leave a consistent seam allowance around the godet (triangular gore insert)--in other words, if the seam allowance near the hem is 1/2", make the seam allowance at the point 1/2" as well. (This will mean that the point of your godet will be ~1" or more above the top of your slit.) Then, trim away the seam allowance of the main panel (the one with the slit) until you have a bit less than 1/4", except right near the top of the slit, where it'll narrow into almost nothing at the point. On the godet piece, clip off the top of the triangle so that the amount of fabric extending up from the top of the slit is 1/2". Now you can turn under all of the godet seam allowances, and press them into place for a normal flat felled seam! -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 14:37:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NIbpTP028298 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIav4d009222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIaqJ7050131; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f31.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIanJ7050008 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:47:18 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:47:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:47:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 17:47:18.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BC0AA80:01C48939] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >...Also, I've started making flat front tunics, and sewing gores in the >sides >only. They're so much less trouble, and they look better to me without that >point in front. But that's just me :-) Not to say "don't do that", but just to mention it -- but of the (admittedly _really limited_) number of actual items we have to work with, there are more than have front and side gores than have just side gores. And those side "gores" tend to not be gores as much as they are side panels Marc _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 14:47:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NIlBlV028450 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:47:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIjU4d010128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIjPJ7056864; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIjKJ7056752 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx5.fuse.net ([66.161.249.186]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040823184512.DVNZ21477.smtp3.fuse.net@gx5.fuse.net> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:45:12 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.161.249.186]) by gx5.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20040823184458.UOQS23679.gx5.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:44:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040823143536.00b12c90@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:37:23 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet stains In-Reply-To: <20040823.082356.244.1.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try this. http://www.urine-off.com/ It is a new product that I found at a convention that I went to this year (American Veterinary Medical Assoc.) I have tried it, and I need to order more. 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Sappho _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 15:06:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NJ6RdY028701 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIxA4d011635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIwtJ7067243; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIwpJ7067000 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BzK1f-000OOZ-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:58:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:57:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is one of those threads that makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong that I don't have (too many) problems. I am usually working on linen. I pin the gore on, right sides together, to one side of the slit, from 2 or 3 inches down from the top. The sides match where I start sewing, but I drift it across so the centre of the gore matches with the centre of the slit at the top, and the point of the gore is usually an inch or so higher. I hand-sew that side up to the point, then wrestle the thing around until I can put at least one pin in the other side, then sew down the other side. Then I slap it on the machine and do the rest of the seam. There is minimal seam allowance at the top of the slit. I reinforce the very top with two or three backstitches, but I've never had any problems with it coming out. It's not under any stress. It also lies flat when pressed. My most frequent problem is putting the whole thing in and then discovering I've got the seams on the outside - it's a bit like a mobius strip trying to get it all the right way round! Jean Lauren Walker wrote >Thank you for the advice and more for the goodwill. > >One problem I am having is just that I can't get the points to be pointy; >knowing I could give up on real pointyness may help. I also have some that >just end up behaving more like I've appliqued a point onto the single-layer >piece, so that the point is bulky and tends to catch on things. On other >attempts, for some reason, if I get ONE side of the point sewed down >decently, the OTHER side will somehow stretch in the sewing and the whole >thing will end up sort of ... wiggly, or curved sideways. My seam allowance >seems to get narrower and narrower toward the point despite my best efforts. >All of this is with hand-sewing, attempting to do a backstitch. > >Another problem I've created for myself is that I have been flat-felling or >French-seaming my seams, and then I really CAN'T do that up in the point >part of the gore. Is there a way to finish these seams? > >Silly little functional question: when you press and baste, do you turn >under and press the seam allowance on the GORE or on the MAIN piece, or >BOTH? > >I want to get the hang of this before I cut into this gorgeous cashmere/wool >I'm hoping to use for an overtunic. So I'm doing a version in linen for >practice. I may also take one more crack at remaking the green lightweight >worsted...after all, we are only on the second version of it. > >Thanks again, >Lauren > > >> From: Robin Netherton > >> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Lauren Walker wrote: >> >>> BUT I still am not happy with the points when attaching the center >>> front and center back gores. The best instructions I've seen involve a >>> sewing machine, and since I sew by hand, my problems are slightly >>> different. Would this be a moment for another round of everybody's >>> suggestions on how to get those points to behave? >> >> I've always found that setting the points in is easier by hand, not >> machine. >> >> What sort of problems are you having? >> >> It may interest people to know that on the Greenland gowns, the points of >> at least some of the gores are not sharp, but rounded or squared off. This >> is very clear in some of the photographs of the finds. I'm not sure why >> people are so fanatical about having narrow pointy points on their inset >> gores. >> >> One thing I sometimes do is to lay the single layer of the garment flat >> over my ironing board, right side up, and to arrange the gore point as I >> want it to look, folding the edges under. Then I baste in place from the >> front just to hold it together before picking it up and doing the proper >> stitching from the back. Sometimes I just blind-stitch from the front -- >> whatever holds it all in place. >> >> --Robin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 15:12:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NJCTvT028741 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:12:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NJ7S4d012621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NJ7NJ7074059; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav17.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NJ7MJ7073969 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:02:21 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav17.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:02:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:02:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 19:02:21.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8291210:01C48943] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >...Also, I've started making flat front tunics, and sewing gores in the > >sides > >only. They're so much less trouble, and they look better to me without that > >point in front. But that's just me :-) > > Not to say "don't do that", but just to mention it -- but of the (admittedly > _really limited_) number of actual items we have to work with, there are > more than have front and side gores than have just side gores. And those > side "gores" tend to not be gores as much as they are side panels Very possible. But the ones I made without the front gores look more early 13th C to my eye than the ones with the front gore, and that's my persona. For the regular, plain camping gear, I just go with what's less trouble, because I usually end up sewing them all the week before Pennsic :-) But thanks for the input. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 15:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NJEZ02028750 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:14:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NJDY4d013373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NJDVJ7078551; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NJDMJ7078449 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BzKFs-000PwX-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:12:05 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Olympics costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Following the previous thread, have any of you been watching the women carrying all the stuff for the medal ceremonies? Our TV seems to be mostly cutting them out of the picture, but from the glimpses I've seen, they seem to be wearing a whole variety of Greek "folk" costumes. All of them identical for each ceremony, but I've seen small tight headscarves, long tight headscarves, big white shawls over heads, big red shawls - and corresponding differences in skirt and apron colour, although you get more shots of heads than the rest. Does anyone here know about Greek / Balkan folk costume? I'm guessing they are each from a different area, but that's just a guess. It's a bit of a jolt, when the opening ceremony was all classical draperies (and Greek urns) to suddenly be back to relatively "modern" costumes. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 16:33:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NKXwag029143 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:33:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NKWR4d021181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NKWMGC043814; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NKWHGD043726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7NKWENo032302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <412A544C.4050708@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:32:12 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PS: What's UNDER headrails? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Back in July, Lauren asked: > Jean's note raised an interesting question, though -- do we know if women > were wearing things under their headrails? It sure would help the whole > pinning thing, especially until my hair grows long again. I finally scanned an image that is intriguing. It's a scene of the nativity, carved in morse ivory. It is similar/almost identical to other 10th/11th century depictions fo this event in that Mary is reclining while being tended by another woman, while the babe is swaddled in a manger/cot. But note the headwrap! Usually Mary is depited in full veil/wrap. Here she is only wearing a small turban-like wrap--could this be an answer to the "what's under that veil" question? or is it just a fluke? More images needed! http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/rhuddlan/images/ 3rd image down - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 16:41:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NKfkZN029202 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:41:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NKec4d022088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NKeWGC049851; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NKeRGD049759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NKd9TA031089 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:39:09 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412A5638.4060501@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:40:24 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PS: What's UNDER headrails? References: <412A544C.4050708@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <412A544C.4050708@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope Greenberg wrote: > veil/wrap. Here she is only wearing a small turban-like wrap--could this > be an answer to the "what's under that veil" question? or is it just a > fluke? More images needed! > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/rhuddlan/images/ Hmm. COuld be. On the other hand, she also appears bald. Maybe it's only appropriate for bald women. :) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent The one time in my life I visit Loch Ness and I miss getting to see a virgin sacrifice by a few days. 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Are any raw edges of the linen strips exposed, or is the linen >folded like a tiny straight grain version of bias tape? > >-E > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 18:29:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NMTWN2030398 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMS84d015935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMS5GC036601; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f11.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMRmGC036363 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:27:43 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:27:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:27:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 22:27:43.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[682BE770:01C48960] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_handtech.htm examples of seam finishes also look under http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_goresgussets.htm for decriptions of Gores, Gussets and Inserts Wilhelmina >From: "E House" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:36:59 -0500 > >----- Original Message ----- > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > > > Are you describing a very find hong kong finish? > >It sounds like it could be a hong kong finish, or what used to be called a >strap seam finish (though I've seen both finishes called a hong kong finish >in modern sewing)--I wonder if there's a diagram of the St. Louis shirt >seam >finish anywhere? > >Which description fits better: A) the seam allowances are spread apart, and >a separate narrow strip of linen is used to bind each edge (in other words, >2 strips per seam), or B) the seam allowances are spread apart, and a >single >wider strip of linen covers both edges at once? 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Are any raw edges of the linen strips exposed, or is the linen >folded like a tiny straight grain version of bias tape? > >-E > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 18:39:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NMdNvt030444 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:39:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMcL4d017129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMcGGC043740; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f2.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMcEGC043666 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:38:09 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:38:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:38:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 22:38:09.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD854BF0:01C48961] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw that when I was looking for a picture of the dress. 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I >don't know the current conversion for pounds sterling, but I can swear >that's a whole lot of bucks ($$)! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "teawithablackdragon *" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:36 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > > > > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 > > >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T >I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 > > > > Wilhelmina > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. 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I >don't know the current conversion for pounds sterling, but I can swear >that's a whole lot of bucks ($$)! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "teawithablackdragon *" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:36 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > > > > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 > > >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T >I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 > > > > Wilhelmina > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. 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Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 18:45:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NMjRlb030463 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:45:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMiU4d017740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMiQGC047878; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMiJGC047754 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D809B425DB for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:45:12 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corset problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is our problem. A friend of mine has made a corded corset to wear for SCA and ren-fest events. She started this project about two years ago believing it was a 'period' approach. Well, it's not working. It just collapses under her. Last year I talked her into replacing some of the hemp cord with plastic boning, and that helps, but we found out at a spring event that it's only good for a few hours. My friend is generously endowed, but not overly so, and she needs good support. What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? She'd like to go in costume when our local ren-fest opens on Labor Day weekend, which gives us about 10 days to fix the problem. We will probably really only have one or two nights to work on this. Anybody got any miracle fixes? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 18:56:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NMud8r030520 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:56:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMtd4d018827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NMtbGC056743; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:55:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7NMtYGC056652 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkLA7RR+0VJnlUG7oWpMVRWbw1FhMX0jaQ== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5RLTTF6; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:55:13 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:50:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems Message-ID: <20040823.175003.-114551623.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-41 From: seamstrix@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aren't the shoulder straps helping to support some of the weight? You might want to work on tightening the straps or moving them more towards the mid line of the bodice at least in front. Karen On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:45:12 -0500 Dawn writes: > This is our problem. A friend of mine has made a corded corset to > wear > for SCA and ren-fest events. She started this project about two > years > ago believing it was a 'period' approach. Well, it's not working. It > > just collapses under her. Last year I talked her into replacing some > of > the hemp cord with plastic boning, and that helps, but we found out > at a > spring event that it's only good for a few hours. My friend is > generously endowed, but not overly so, and she needs good support. > > What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? > > She'd like to go in costume when our local ren-fest opens on Labor > Day > weekend, which gives us about 10 days to fix the problem. We will > probably really only have one or two nights to work on this. Anybody > got > any miracle fixes? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 19:01:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NN1lkG030551 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN0q4d019359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN0oGC060238; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN0cGC059993 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 900091802178 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:00:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Aug 2004 23:00:30 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4080A86AEA; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:00:30 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:00:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040823230030.4080A86AEA@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, if she replaced the plastic boning, and at least some of the cords with reeds, it would be lighter, more supportive and more period. I've worn reed boned corsets all day everyday at Pennsic in perfect comfort...As for where to get the reed, I just checked online for basketry supplies, I think I used 1.5mm or 1.25mm and stuff a couple in each channel. It also has the advantage of being easy to work with and you can cut them with scissors...oh and you can get it wet without soaking up a lake full of water like the rope could - I had a shower in my corset once... Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > This is our problem. A friend of mine has made a corded corset to wear > for SCA and ren-fest events. She started this project about two years > ago believing it was a 'period' approach. Well, it's not working. It > just collapses under her. Last year I talked her into replacing some of > the hemp cord with plastic boning, and that helps, but we found out at a > spring event that it's only good for a few hours. My friend is > generously endowed, but not overly so, and she needs good support. > > What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? > She'd like to go in costume when our local ren-fest opens on Labor Day > weekend, which gives us about 10 days to fix the problem. We will > probably really only have one or two nights to work on this. Anybody got > any miracle fixes? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 19:02:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NN2Ftu030555 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN1O4d019433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN1NGC060588; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN0fGC060111 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:00:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-67-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.153]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7NN0NNb011179 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040823155629.0191f1e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:04:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on t-tunic In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Also, I've started making flat front tunics, and sewing gores in the sides >only. They're so much less trouble, and they look better to me without that >point in front. But that's just me :-) Yeah - omit the silly thing. No, it's not just you. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 19:09:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NN9gck030615 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN8g4d020108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN8bGC065013; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NN8WGD064979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NN7FTA032167 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:07:15 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412A78EE.2090400@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:08:30 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems References: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? Can you put metal boning in it? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent There are a lot of people who don't believe what they read in the newspaper, but will believe any fool thing someone forwards to them in email. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 19:23:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NNNw1W030676 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:23:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NNMl4d021317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NNMgGC073012; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NNMeGC072958 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-016ilchicp0450.dialsprint.net ([65.176.161.196] helo=office) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BzO98-0002BK-G9 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:22:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c48967$fb75ba90$c4a1b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:15:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de2614bbc26e9309eb36e53aecea9fc761a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.161.196 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wilhemina, Gladiators should always be so expensively dressed, shouldn't they? What's that old advertising line--wear only the best or nothing at all? (Is that even close?) Anyway, nothing at all wouldn't have seemed more obscene than for what the Crowe's costume sold. And I might have LIKED the nothing at all. OK, Meg--back into lurking mode with you! (Bang! Cage door locking.) :o) Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > I saw that when I was looking for a picture of the dress. Did you see how > much Russell Crowe costume went for? That was obscence. > > Wilhelmina > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 19:24:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7NNOCFf030679 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NNNA4d021363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NNNAGC073262; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NNMgGC073009 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-016ilchicp0450.dialsprint.net ([65.176.161.196] helo=office) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BzO9B-0002BK-5m for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c48967$fcfcf6d0$c4a1b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009101c48918$f5f65b00$725183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:18:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de26a08c730ff1bfa30b0fcf7f396f0b33ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.161.196 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WOW! Do I ever admire your patience and intestial fortitude, Kathleen! I'm getting cold feet and I've not started as yet. A dozen would undoubtedly put me underground. Thanks for the tips. I need all the help I can get. Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > I had to make a dozen or so a couple of years ago. Using a basic 18" blank. > I added about 10" of additional straw or heavy buckram extensions and then > supported the new larger brim with strips of rigiline. Then all the fun of > ornamentation! I attached one or two 'pointed' elastic bands (like for > masks) to assist the wearing; hat pins were not enough, especially for young > women who were not used to wearing big hats. I have some hats from this era > and find that for the most part, the under brim is frequently lined, so that > the extension is cleverly disguised. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:36 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > > > > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 > > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 > > > > Wilhelmina > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 21:21:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O1LkCW031190 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:21:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1Kk4d002135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1KdGC035958; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1KaGC035899 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m157.in-tch.com [216.166.191.157]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7O1JvN28451 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <412A98D9.5000306@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:24:41 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems References: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd say that what you'd need to do would depend, in part, on the silhouette she's trying to achieve. First of all, I'd make sure it's not just a fitting issue--if it's finished at the same measurements as her chest/waist (and not a few inches smaller), there won't be any support at all. Also, if she's moderately-to-well-endowed, she'll have more "squish" factor than someone of more modest measurements. If you need to make changes in the overall size of the corset, I'd recommend fudging with some side seams (under her arms), or side/back seams (a la Eleanor of Toledo's bodice). You'd have to remove bits of the cording in the new seam areas, of course, but it should do until she has the chance to completely re-do the thing. If she's going for the flat-cylinder thing, I'd recommend replacing some of the cords with metal boning (at least in front). If she's going for a more rounded look (more of a supportive bodice, and less of a corset), I'd work with the corded corset...make it a bit smaller, especially if it's made from linen, which sort of stretches and relaxes a bit when it's been on your body for a while. I'm quite well endowed, and can quite comfortably wear an ItalianRen without any additional support other than the linen outer layer, lining, and one good layer of heavy-weight linen as interlining. The trick is, to make the bodice a couple of inches smaller than my actual measurements. Hope this helps.... --sue Dawn wrote: > This is our problem. A friend of mine has made a corded corset to wear > for SCA and ren-fest events. She started this project about two years > ago believing it was a 'period' approach. Well, it's not working. It > just collapses under her. Last year I talked her into replacing some of > the hemp cord with plastic boning, and that helps, but we found out at a > spring event that it's only good for a few hours. My friend is > generously endowed, but not overly so, and she needs good support. > > What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? > She'd like to go in costume when our local ren-fest opens on Labor Day > weekend, which gives us about 10 days to fix the problem. We will > probably really only have one or two nights to work on this. Anybody got > any miracle fixes? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 21:39:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O1duwm031246 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1dE4d003490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1dCGC044578; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1d9GD044548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:39:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from dandy.net (jtvrnqzkma@acty1206.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.206]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7O1d164004107 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:39:05 -0400 Message-ID: <412A9C2C.4040802@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:38:52 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001801c47a54$7a439ef0$6a01a8c0@SG01><008601c47a85$58cdd520$72ccadcb@michaela> <000001c47e80$535e9e40$47a176cb@michaela> In-Reply-To: <000001c47e80$535e9e40$47a176cb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >*jealous* I'd love to get to Pennsic, but there are far too many issues that >make it more than a touch risky.. ah well. > >have a good time:) > >michaela >http://glittersweet.com >Hi, Michaela. Please let us all know if you ever decide to go to Pennsic. BTW, this year wasn't all that.... Heat then torrential rain which flooded many folks. Hope everyone that went got back safely. Cheers, Mike T. (still cleaning out the black powder from firing the starting guns...) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 21:56:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O1uaNR031307 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:56:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1tn4d004605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1tjGC052053; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.compassnet.com.au [203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1tfGD051968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendar@compassnet.com.au) Received: from mail (root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/linuxconf) with SMTP id i7O22Tso000722 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:02:29 +1000 Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.139]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/linuxconf) with SMTP id i7O22Re5000715 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:02:28 +1000 Message-ID: <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:54:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Indeed, Marc. We also have to realise that a flat-fronted tunic looks better to our 20th-21st century eyes. BUT we have to think of what this looked like to they're century eyes! And if they did it more often than not, we should too. My family's 8-10th century clothing have two with, two without. The without are definitely easier to make, and I HATE cutting the centre line on my tunics for the gore insertion, but one must do what one must do... Glenda. Heck, I wear white makeup and RED lippy with my early 17th century clothing for formal events! It doesn't look even remotely good in any way to my eyes (or worse still, to those who are around me!), and it makes my teeth look really yellow! But that's what was popular, so I do it. Funny, I'm a slave to reenactment fashions, but not at all in my everyday wear, unless it's convenient for my taste or body type. ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > >...Also, I've started making flat front tunics, and sewing gores in the > >sides > >only. They're so much less trouble, and they look better to me without that > >point in front. But that's just me :-) > > Not to say "don't do that", but just to mention it -- but of the (admittedly > _really limited_) number of actual items we have to work with, there are > more than have front and side gores than have just side gores. And those > side "gores" tend to not be gores as much as they are side panels > > Marc > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 21:57:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O1vJjc031311 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:57:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1uN4d004643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1uNGC052332; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1uIGC052001 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CE6425D5 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412AA057.5020506@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:56:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems References: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> <412A98D9.5000306@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <412A98D9.5000306@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > I'd say that what you'd need to do would depend, in part, on the > silhouette she's trying to achieve. I think she is trying for some support, ie keeping the girls from sloshing around at the bottom of her ribcage. She doesn't want the "on the platter" look, she just wants her bosom to stay where it's supposed to be. First of all, I'd make sure it's > not just a fitting issue--if it's finished at the same measurements as > her chest/waist (and not a few inches smaller), there won't be any > support at all. The corset is at least a couple inches smaller than her measurements, and I remember she had to take it in after the first time because it wasn't tight enough. We do the scene from Gone with the Wind, and then we tighten her up again a little while later when the fabric warms up and relaxes. It works at first, and yet, by the end of the day there's a crease under her bust and there's no support. > I'm quite well > endowed, and can quite comfortably wear an ItalianRen without any > additional support other than the linen outer layer, lining, and one > good layer of heavy-weight linen as interlining. The trick is, to make > the bodice a couple of inches smaller than my actual measurements. > Hope this helps.... > --sue I think the rounded look is what she's going for, but somehow she's sliding out the bottom of it. I'm going to suggest some metal inserts, maybe a few coat hangers across the front and sides to see if that helps this time. I'm afraid it might not work over her stomach, which protrudes. She's not exactly fat, she just has a very round belly. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 22:02:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O22ISm031326 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:02:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2024d005024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1xwGC054101; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O1xvGC054074 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-141-89.kc.rr.com [65.26.141.89]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7O1xq8o002307 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:59:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <412A9C2C.4040802@dandy.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, we must have been at completely different Pennsics then. With the exception of the last couple days, Pennsic had marvelous weather. Days were high 70s or low 80s with nice breezes and partial overcast, and the nights were cool enough that we had to pile on three or four blankets and snuggle in. Yeah, it rained the last couple of days, but the previous ten days were fantastic. Talia . BTW, this year wasn't all that.... Heat then torrential > rain which flooded many folks. Hope everyone that went got back > safely. Cheers, Mike T. (still cleaning out the black powder from > firing the starting guns...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 22:39:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O2dVZC031507 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:39:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2cM4d007735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2cE43071795; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2cA44071773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7O2esiq010758 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:40:55 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:46:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408232246.38112.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 23 August 2004 3:59 am, otsisto wrote: > Let me clarify. OA'sL is many white flowers on a stem with a red flower in > the center. > http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-queenanneslace.html > This site should help, though they say it is a dark/deep purple flower(s). I am only familiar with QAL No. 1 (from the site above) which is all white, like a showerhead composed of tiny flower bits. It has no red or purple center whatsover. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 22:51:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O2pWYj031543 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:51:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2oZ4d008778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2oY43077698; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O2oX43077688 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzROK-000310-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:50:32 -0700 Message-ID: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:50:45 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric I didn't know? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My friend and I are working on a project this summer (an Elizabethan) and I was cutting out skirt fabric this evening and have noticed something about the fabric (which is upholstery/drapery fabric). To match the patterns up, I must overlap the fabric by 12 or so inches on both sides. It is not possible to do it with a normal seam allowance. Is this something the upholstery/drapery industry does on a regular basis which I have never known, or have we got a ''lemon'' fabric here? You can see what I mean here: http://www.saragrace.net/3E_6_QEW_Fabric&Trims.html Sg (who had to change her email address to get her life organized.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 23:09:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O39ZIC031613 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:09:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O36L4d009921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O36K43085361; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O36H43085340 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-56-174.jps.net ([209.165.56.174] helo=KALC) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzRdY-0004pL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:06:17 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:06:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How large is the repeat? That does sound a bit strange unless the placement somehow assists in making the center motif more pleasant looking. Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Wicked Frau Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:51 PM To: H-Costume@Indra. Com Subject: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? My friend and I are working on a project this summer (an Elizabethan) and I was cutting out skirt fabric this evening and have noticed something about the fabric (which is upholstery/drapery fabric). To match the patterns up, I must overlap the fabric by 12 or so inches on both sides. It is not possible to do it with a normal seam allowance. Is this something the upholstery/drapery industry does on a regular basis which I have never known, or have we got a ''lemon'' fabric here? You can see what I mean here: http://www.saragrace.net/3E_6_QEW_Fabric&Trims.html Sg (who had to change her email address to get her life organized.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 23:15:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O3FQHR031635 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3C84d010271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3C643087999; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3C443087990 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzRjA-00050M-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:12:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:21:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:38 AM -0500 8/23/04, Cindy Abel wrote: >Probably female swimmers, divers, and gymnasts especially also have a hard >time getting to Olympic level if they are top-heavy so to speak. Frankly, >I'd love to see the so-called full-coverage swimsuits mass-marketed in a >breathable fabric, of course. > >Here would be the selling points: > >No more worry about losing the tops or bottoms of your suit, girls! > >Wear the suit world and Olympic class atheletes wear! Try The styles you're looking for are under "fastskin". Mind you, the full-length racing suits are $400 apiece. I don't know how much they could cut that if they made them out of ordinary swimsuit fabric rather than the special "shark skin" fabric. For my money, Speedo is _the_ place to buy "sensible" swimsuits. Ordinary suits also come in a "conservative" cut that doesn't have the low neck and high leg-openings that are currently fashionable. ObH-Costume: the full-length racing suits look to have even more skin coverage than a Victorian bathing costume ... although the form-fitting somewhat undercuts the modesty angle. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 23:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O3rYkx031752 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3qa4d013070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3qY43007032; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3qV43007014 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzSMH-0004aX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:52:31 -0700 Message-ID: <412ABB84.2060404@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:52:36 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO lisa-list wrote: >How large is the repeat? That does sound a bit strange unless the placement >somehow assists in making the center motif more pleasant looking. > >Lisa Sinervo > >__________________________ > > The repeat is about 26 X 36 (Width X Height). It is essentially two vertical columns of offset diamonds. If you look at it the way I think I understand you are saying, it does make one column centered on the ''fold'' (or exactly equal distances between the selvedges)....still that is essentially a total loss of about 48 inches out of a span of 124"!!!??? Sg PS: Where does the term selvedge come from - anyone? I guess I could look it up...''self edges''? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 23:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O3wa4C031770 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3uV4d013442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3uU43009039; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmlapp16.siteprotect.com (cmlapp16.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.229]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3uT43009018 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-68-41-210.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.68.41.210]) by cmlapp16.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6566332A6A for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:55:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:55:23 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001601c4898e$34030130$0300a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7O3uT43009018 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My in-laws were interior decorators and had their own drapery and upholstery workrooms. We would occasionally run into this problem on some fabrics, especially those with larger repeats. It appears the fabric has a half-drop repeat. We could usually solve this problem by adjusting the cutting length on some of the panels; i.e. some panels were longer than the others by 1/2 the repeat. This also creates some waste (left over horizontal pieces instead of vertical ones), but frequently it was less waste than trying to match it the other way. And with careful planning, we could often use the horizontal waste pieces for valences, tiebacks, pillow trims, etc. Occasionally, the only option was to cut off the excess fabric along one selvage - a real waste of fabric when the job calls for 60+ yards! Either way, it was a lesson I learned well. If I want to match the pattern horizontally and vertically, I always check both the repeats and the selvage edges before buying. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 3-6, 2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 23 23:59:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O3xvQM031778 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3wr4d013555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3wq43010094; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O3wn43010067 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzSSP-0004JY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:58:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:25:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm going to tack my discussion onto Robin's answer. At 9:27 AM -0500 8/23/04, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, E House wrote: > >> Which description fits better: A) the seam allowances are spread >> apart, and a separate narrow strip of linen is used to bind each edge >> (in other words, 2 strips per seam), or B) the seam allowances are >> spread apart, and a single wider strip of linen covers both edges at >> once? Or possibly C) the seam allowances are both folded to one side, >> and a single narrow strip of linen binds both edges? > >C, I think. Possibly B, but the allowances would have to be impossibly >small. In either case, the allowances have to be impossibly small. When I had my look at the garment, my interpretation was that it was (B), but after all this time I couldn't give you the specific observations that I based that conclusion on. There _are_ several places where the fabric is damaged in ways that make construction details easier to see, but I don't remember specifically if there were any "cross-section" equivalents for the seams. > > Also, is there any top-stitching, or are the seams finished completely >> on the back? > >The stitching lines come through to the front, as the binding strip is >laid flat against the garment, not wrapped around the allowances. I >wouldn't necessarily call that top-stitching, since I presume this was >worked from the back. > >It looks essentially like flat-fell. The stitching was basically a type of overcast hem-stitch -- which is what you typically see on medieval flat-fell seams. As Robin notes, it shows on the front in the same way a hem-stitch would. > > Are any raw edges of the linen strips exposed, or is the linen folded >> like a tiny straight grain version of bias tape? > >Near as I could tell, it was folded, like single-fold bias tape, but much >tinier. I saw no raw edges on the undamaged areas that were visible to me. Ditto. Regarding the speculation in another post that it may have been a very narrow linen tape with selvedges rather than folded edges -- that was one thing I considered when I was examining it, but the edges were pretty clearly folded rather than woven edges. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 00:02:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O420HL031789 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:02:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O40T4d013697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O40R43010922; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O40O43010903 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-59-044.jps.net ([209.165.59.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzSTv-0002yG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:00:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <412AA057.5020506@reddawn.net> References: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> <412A98D9.5000306@in-tch.com> <412AA057.5020506@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:51:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:56 PM -0500 8/23/04, Dawn wrote: >I think the rounded look is what she's going for, but somehow she's >sliding out the bottom of it. > >I'm going to suggest some metal inserts, maybe a few coat hangers >across the front and sides to see if that helps this time. I'm >afraid it might not work over her stomach, which protrudes. She's >not exactly fat, she just has a very round belly. I don't think it's a period approach, but a "banana pad" may be a quick fix that would allow her to wear it comfortably. This is a smallish, stuffed crescent-shaped pad, long enough to reach from side to side, that is tacked horizontally to the inside of the corset just _under_ the bosom, to prevent everything from sliding down. You do have to experiment a bit to find a size that is big enough to work, but small enough that it doesn't create a bulge in the front of the corset. I have a smallish bosom and find that I really need one of these pads to keep everything in place all day. A crease under the bosom at the end of the day, however, is an indication that the support in the front is too flexible. I'd second the suggestion of using basket reeds. The cording may be losing its stiffness when it gets damp from sweat. Let us know how it goes! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 00:06:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O46km6031792 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:06:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O45r4d014056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O45q43013314; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O45m44013291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7O48VYu012840 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:08:32 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] seams, seam finishes, and hems Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:14:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408240014.14083.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 23 August 2004 12:10 am, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > I have been tasked by my mundane weaving guild to present a program on > seams, seam finishes, and hems that have been and/or could be used on > handwoven fabrics. I would like to include as many "period" examples as > can be documented. Any help from this group would be very much > appreciated. Thank you. Dang. I could have sworn I knew of a site that discussed Viking period clothing construction stitches.... Meanwhile, this site talks about 14th c stuff and references Crowfoot: http://www.damehelen.com/sewing/index.html -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 00:33:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O4XVYo031889 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4VV4d015536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4VQ43024709; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4VO44024694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7O4Y7SB013669 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:34:08 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:39:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> In-Reply-To: <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408240039.51339.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 23 August 2004 9:54 pm, Glenda Robinson wrote: > Indeed, Marc. > > We also have to realise that a flat-fronted tunic looks better to our > 20th-21st century eyes. BUT we have to think of what this looked like to > they're century eyes! And if they did it > more often than not, we should too. My family's 8-10th century clothing > have two with, two without. The without are definitely easier to make, and > I HATE cutting the centre line on my tunics for the gore insertion, but one > must do what one must do... [snip] I have botched sewing enough center gores to understand why a lot of 21st c costumers prefer to go without them--both from the appearance standpoint and the extra work standpoint. However, I really like the additional fullness you can get with center and rear gores, and do not intend ever to make a "t-tunic" without them ever again. (Besides, if you make the tunic's skirts full enough, nobody notices the way you botched the top of the center gores.) :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 00:33:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O4XaPT031892 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:33:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4WT4d015664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4WS43025208; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4WN43025169 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08969 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:38:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:38:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Seam Binding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > >> ... B) the seam allowances are > >> spread apart, and a single wider strip of linen covers both edges at > >> once? Or possibly C) the seam allowances are both folded to one side, > >> and a single narrow strip of linen binds both edges? > > > >C, I think. Possibly B, but the allowances would have to be impossibly > >small. > > In either case, the allowances have to be impossibly small. When I > had my look at the garment, my interpretation was that it was (B), > but after all this time I couldn't give you the specific observations > that I based that conclusion on. There _are_ several places where > the fabric is damaged in ways that make construction details easier > to see, but I don't remember specifically if there were any > "cross-section" equivalents for the seams. Heather, it strikes me that the front side of a seam would make that evident -- if it's B, there would be two lines of stitching showing through to the front, one on either side of the seam, with the seam roughly in the middle. I think I may have assumed C based on seeing only one line of stitching next to the seam, with the second line presumably falling either right on the seam line, or not coming through to the front (going only through the allowances, close to the seam line). But I don't remember now, and my photos don't show a front side of a seam clearly. (Since the garment is hanging inside out, you can see the right side only with lucky glimpses through the bottom opening or the missing chunk. Given the lighting in there, and the distance through the glass, it's a wonder I got as much detail on film as I did -- but a front view of a seam wasn't one of those details.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 00:50:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O4oei3031968 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:50:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4nr4d016959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4nn43032606; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4nl43032590 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7O4nFN05959 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <412AC9E8.5080204@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:54:00 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems References: <412A7378.9050309@reddawn.net> <412A98D9.5000306@in-tch.com> <412AA057.5020506@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <412AA057.5020506@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ouch! with the coat hangers...they'd probably bend and break. If she's going for a more rounded, Italianate look, she probably shouldn't have the corsetry or support going so far as to go over her tummy, I'd think. My Italian bodices stop at my natural waistline (okay, mine is pretty high...if I were 20 years younger, and many, many, many pounds lighter, I'd be a natural for late-18th/early-19th c. stuff), and my tummy is covered by the skirt. If my bodices are sufficiently snug, I've never had much of a problem with the girls escaping, and the TOAP look can be avoided by cutting the neckline of the gown high enough to cover. I have a full tummy, as well (I'm actually mostly up front, and no butt), so I understand her concern. Hmmm....something just occured to me. Is she more straight up-and-down in her torso? or does she have a definite waistline? That might have some effect.... --sue, rambling.... Dawn wrote: > > I think the rounded look is what she's going for, but somehow she's > sliding out the bottom of it. > > I'm going to suggest some metal inserts, maybe a few coat hangers across > the front and sides to see if that helps this time. I'm afraid it might > not work over her stomach, which protrudes. She's not exactly fat, she > just has a very round belly. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 00:56:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O4uKGv031975 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4tS4d017315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4tQ43035337; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4tM43035299 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6s3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.131] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzTL8-0000s3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: <412ACA3A.6070609@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:55:22 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? References: <412ABB84.2060404@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <412ABB84.2060404@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked Frau wrote: > PS: Where does the term selvedge come from - anyone? I guess I could > look it up...''self edges''? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > From the OED (some characters don't survive cut-n-paste): Forms: [? 5 corruptly sultviche], 6 silvadge, 6-7 silvage, selvege, 7 selvedg, self edge, 7-9 selvidge, selfedge, self-edge, 8-9 salvage, 5- selvage, 7- selvedge. [Apparently f. SELF + EDGE n., after the equivalent early mod.Du. selfegghe (Kilian), now zelfegge = LG. sulfegge. Cf. the Du. synonyms cited by Kilian, selfkant, now zelfkant (kant = border), selfende, now zelfeinde (einde end) = G. selbende, by popular etymology salband.] Earliest citation is 1460. --Charlene -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. --H. G. Wells _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 01:00:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O50QbJ031983 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:00:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4xj4d017663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4xi43037303; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4xe43037279 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7O4x7N08999 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <412ACC39.80303@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:03:53 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic References: <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> <200408240039.51339.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200408240039.51339.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have friends who hate them because they have problems with the gored part diving between their legs, or don't feel they need the fullness in front, so they will sometimes leave them out (especially on more casual tunics or gowns). I've not noticed the same problems with mine, though. --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > I have botched sewing enough center gores to understand why a lot of 21st c > costumers prefer to go without them--both from the appearance standpoint and > the extra work standpoint. However, I really like the additional fullness > you can get with center and rear gores, and do not intend ever to make a > "t-tunic" without them ever again. (Besides, if you make the tunic's skirts > full enough, nobody notices the way you botched the top of the center > gores.) :-) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 01:21:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O5Ld4N032043 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:21:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O5Km4d018861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O5Kk43046052; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O5Ki44046039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7O5NSwY015305 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:23:28 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:29:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200408240039.51339.cathy@thyrsus.com> <412ACC39.80303@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <412ACC39.80303@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408240129.11348.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 24 August 2004 1:03 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I have friends who hate them because they have problems with the gored > part diving between their legs, Huh. I'm not sure what you mean about "the gored part" diving between the legs--but then I always do my gores to start at waist level. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 01:44:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O5iXCW032133 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O5hQ4d020048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O5gt43055927; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O5gO43055773 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Rampant_Peacock@comcast.net) Received: from molly (c-67-170-26-145.client.comcast.net[67.170.26.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004082405421901500p2ukje>; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:42:19 +0000 From: "Molly Boone" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] corset problems Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:42:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <412AC9E8.5080204@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm going to second the try adding metal boning to the front and actually to the back grommet line as well. The front boning should keep the front from "slouching" and the back to keep the corset as a whole from "slouching" as it warms with body heat and dampens with sweat. I'm a large DD cup and I've never made a shoulder strap corset and I've not had a problem with "slouching" but then I've always used steel (flat not the stuff that looks like a flattened spring). I also typically make my corsets to reduce the bust by a minimum of 3 inches or so and the waist at least 2. Being high busted it makes avoiding the TOAP a bit harder but I've found that when tightening the corset I wait until the corset is skin tight but not yet reducing then I adjust the "girls" to the height I want and leave the rest inside the corset instead of bringing the nipple right to corset edge. There is enough room in the corset in the bust/waist angle to allow for the "excess" breast to comfortably be contained. There is enough compression that I get very little movement even while running out of the "girls" corseted like this. The pattern I use and recommend is the Alter Years Easy Renaissance Corset: Tabbed (Elizabethan) Version found here: http://www.alteryears.com/renaissance/ren-womens.html I use it for my Tudor through Elizabethan garb for SCA and Re-enactment. It give the right silhouette and it fairly light and comfortable. which is nice in the balmy unpredictable Seattle weather. Molly -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems Ouch! with the coat hangers...they'd probably bend and break. If she's going for a more rounded, Italianate look, she probably shouldn't have the corsetry or support going so far as to go over her tummy, I'd think. My Italian bodices stop at my natural waistline (okay, mine is pretty high...if I were 20 years younger, and many, many, many pounds lighter, I'd be a natural for late-18th/early-19th c. stuff), and my tummy is covered by the skirt. If my bodices are sufficiently snug, I've never had much of a problem with the girls escaping, and the TOAP look can be avoided by cutting the neckline of the gown high enough to cover. I have a full tummy, as well (I'm actually mostly up front, and no butt), so I understand her concern. Hmmm....something just occured to me. Is she more straight up-and-down in her torso? or does she have a definite waistline? That might have some effect.... --sue, rambling.... Dawn wrote: > > I think the rounded look is what she's going for, but somehow she's > sliding out the bottom of it. > > I'm going to suggest some metal inserts, maybe a few coat hangers across > the front and sides to see if that helps this time. I'm afraid it might > not work over her stomach, which protrudes. She's not exactly fat, she > just has a very round belly. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 02:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O6hjWa006740 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O6gt4d023033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O6go43082122; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f22.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O6gm43082073 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:42:43 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:42:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:42:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 06:42:43.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF7F340:01C489A5] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO how about thiese two pattern from Wingeo http://www.wingeo.com/patterns/700series/patrn715.jpg http://www.wingeo.com/patterns/700series/patrn709.jpg Wilhelmina >From: "teawithablackdragon *" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:38:09 +0000 > >I saw that when I was looking for a picture of the dress. Did you see how >much Russell Crowe costume went for? That was obscence. > >Wilhelmina > > >>From: "talk2meg" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question >>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:20:54 -0500 >> >>Thanks, Wilhemina. I had seen this one earlier. I can re-do it, but I >>was >>hoping to not do so. >> >>For those of you who are attracted to the Ascot dress: the original Cecil >>Beaton sketch (yes, the drawing!) sold for $29,500 on March 31, 2004 at >>auction. The dress itself sold at the same auction for $118,000. Wow! I >>don't know the current conversion for pounds sterling, but I can swear >>that's a whole lot of bucks ($$)! >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "teawithablackdragon *" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:36 PM >>Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question >> >> >> > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 >> > >>http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T >>I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 >> > >> > Wilhelmina >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 02:44:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O6iDp8006905 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:44:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O6hS4d023056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O6hR43082386; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f28.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.28]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O6gm43082074 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:42:43 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.110 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:42:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.110] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:42:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 06:42:43.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EFE0DC0:01C489A5] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO how about thiese two pattern from Wingeo http://www.wingeo.com/patterns/700series/patrn715.jpg http://www.wingeo.com/patterns/700series/patrn709.jpg Wilhelmina >From: "teawithablackdragon *" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:38:09 +0000 > >I saw that when I was looking for a picture of the dress. Did you see how >much Russell Crowe costume went for? That was obscence. > >Wilhelmina > > >>From: "talk2meg" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question >>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:20:54 -0500 >> >>Thanks, Wilhemina. I had seen this one earlier. I can re-do it, but I >>was >>hoping to not do so. >> >>For those of you who are attracted to the Ascot dress: the original Cecil >>Beaton sketch (yes, the drawing!) sold for $29,500 on March 31, 2004 at >>auction. The dress itself sold at the same auction for $118,000. Wow! I >>don't know the current conversion for pounds sterling, but I can swear >>that's a whole lot of bucks ($$)! >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "teawithablackdragon *" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:36 PM >>Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question >> >> >> > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 >> > >>http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T >>I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 >> > >> > Wilhelmina >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 03:11:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O7Bgk5011346 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:11:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O7Aq4d024436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O7Ap43094736; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O7Am43094724 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E89D2AA50 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:10:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p087.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.89]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 87A18D3F3 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:10:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:11:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200408232246.38112.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- > http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-queenanneslace.html > This site should help, though they say it is a dark/deep purple flower(s). I am only familiar with QAL No. 1 (from the site above) which is all white, like a showerhead composed of tiny flower bits. It has no red or purple center whatsover. Cathy Raymond _______ First picture is not a close up. To my knowledge All QAsL have that red/purple flower(s) in the center. Note picture 3, it has the red spot but it is barely noticeable. 2a is a close up of a section of 2. Same with 3a which is a close up of 3. 5 also has a barely there red flower. If there is no red "flower" then you may have something else that is from the Umbelliferae, Carrot family. Such as Anise, Cow parsley, Angelica......... Found this site. It is not QAsL, http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/lindman/260.jpg Anyway I think I need to end this topic as it has been running to long off topic. Good luck with finding out what it is in your yard. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 04:24:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O8OQwj028417 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:24:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8NO4d027717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8NH43027025; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8NF43027008 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-75-149.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.149]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7O8MtEV020814 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:23:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040824012657.01891f00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:27:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? >She'd like to go in costume when our local ren-fest opens on Labor Day >weekend, which gives us about 10 days to fix the problem. We will >probably really only have one or two nights to work on this. Anybody got >any miracle fixes? Add straps if there aren't any? Shorten the straps if they are there? Add a stiff busk down the front, like made from a slat from a wooden tomato crate or orange crate (1830s corded corsets have these)? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 04:41:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O8ffPH001688 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:41:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8f04d028482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8ew43034877; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8er43034783 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:40:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A654D@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PS: What's UNDER headrails? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:40:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cutting in on Hope's post: >Back in July, Lauren asked: >> Jean's note raised an interesting question, though -- do we know if women >> were wearing things under their headrails? It sure would help the whole >> pinning thing, especially until my hair grows long again. I pinned my headcovering to my braids, which worked well. Stitching the braids worked fine, and kept them in place for three days (after which I decided it was time to take out the yarn and wash my hair, but that's another story). For women with short hair, you might want to check nunnery records, and images of nuns, as IIRC their hair was cut short upon entering the convent, and presumably was kept short thereafter (no vanity here). /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 04:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7O8gAnX002025 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8fK4d028499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8fJ43035021; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O8fB43034697 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i7O8fbP20066.; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:41:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:40:35 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:40:14 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hear, hear! I've taken to swimming in a "tankini" top and shorts. I hate the way one-piece suits all have such high-cut legs nowadays. I have seen someone in a suit with legs such as Robin describes, but haven't seen them on sale. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> robin@shell.nightowl.net 23/08/2004 18:08:37 >>> In the late 1980s, I started wearing a triathlete's suit for swimming. The suits are unitards that go down to almost knee-length, designed for someone to go straight from the bike seat to the pool (or vice versa). There was one time at the city pool where a guard wouldn't let me in because she wouldn't believe it was swimwear, but otherwise people just thought I was an athlete of some sort (ha). Why did I like this suit? Because I hate shaving my upper thighs! (And if I don't, believe me, I can't be seen in a conventional suit.) That unitard is long worn out, but since then I've done my exercise swimming (when I've taken water aerobics or the like) in bike shorts and a spandex tank top meant for sports, or two layers of tops for more support, or an exercise leotard layered over the bike shorts and spandex tank. Since these things aren't technically made for swim wear, the important thing is to make sure they're poly, not cotton, or they'll fade (and eventually dissolve) in the chlorinated pool water. I do have a couple of "conventional" suits that I wear a few times a year -- say, on a vacation, when I'm going to be swimming with friends. And, yuck, I have to shave. At least Lands' End suits aren't obscenely high-cut. --Robin who would be happy in a 1920s bathing costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 06:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OA15Nm030532 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:01:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OA0F4d004028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OA0B43068497; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OA0843068456 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:59:12 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] portrait question To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C395F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] portrait question Thread-Index: AcSIM+i+0VQP6ba5R/e937dV7PMN3wBjOtmw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/sec > flor7.html > > Portrait of a Woman w/a Book > Is the black design on her dress in the lower right hand > corner the hem of her dress? Looks (to me) like the skirt is caught up over the arm of the chair so the hem decoration is visible hanigng vertically over the arm. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 06:35:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OAZOJZ032150 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:35:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OAXg4d006022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OAXe43082749; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OAXb43082732 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:32:34 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C3961@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Quietness Thread-Index: AcSIzgHvRxGNPzFmR42IqSfV73NExAA93e7Q content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > LOL! I thought I was the only one who had this problem! I > could make Elizabethan in my sleep and manage to mess up > every t-tunic I have ever made. Mind you it isn't just in > sewing - I aced High School calculus (95%) and failed algebra > and geometry...go figure. :P Come to think of it, even in > dance class, I could do the complicated & advanced moves and > was completely stumped by the "beginer" ones. How odd. Perhaps your brain sees the "whole picture" for the complicated stuff and skims over the basics to get there - leaving you high and dry if you need to access the info for the basics.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 07:07:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OB7l1W032288 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OB6o4d007727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OB6k43096030; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OB6h43095996 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:05:55 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bathing suits (WAS:OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C3962@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Bathing suits (WAS:OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume) Thread-Index: AcSJNrItwaovMxyZQT6uO0bbQWh4UAAk15Iw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > --Robin > who would be happy in a 1920s bathing costume Make yourself one? It would certainly be fairly unique. You could do one in modern fabrics for pool wear and one in natural fibres for beach wear. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 07:24:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OBOaku032396 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OBNb4d009257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OBNS43006205; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from newmail.logical.net (newmail.logical.net [209.23.116.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OBNP44006180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from computername (ip-209-23-17-118.modem.logical.net [209.23.17.118]) by newmail.logical.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7OBNJYA028562 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:23:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c489cc$be2cb070$761117d1@computername> From: "Home Ec" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:23:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > . BTW, this year wasn't all that.... Heat then torrential > > rain which flooded many folks. Hope everyone that went got back > > safely. Cheers, Mike T. (still cleaning out the black powder from > > firing the starting guns...) > Wow, we must have been at completely different Pennsics then. With the > exception of the last couple days, Pennsic had marvelous weather. Days were > high 70s or low 80s with nice breezes and partial overcast, and the nights > were cool enough that we had to pile on three or four blankets and snuggle > in. > Yeah, it rained the last couple of days, but the previous ten days were > fantastic. > Talia I agree - everyone I know kept saying it was the best weather Pennsic in years! And then after the sea tide came in Friday, the sun came out Saturday and everything dried out. I didn't even have any trouble getting my little toy truck out of the parking lot Sat Morning (6:30 am), and it was parked facing uphill (and little trucks have NO traction!) Of course, I just put it into drive and didn't step on the gas - I let it take itself out, so not even any ruts. Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 08:05:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OC5Oph032579 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:05:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OC2H4d011515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OC2F43023992; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:02:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OC2C43023954 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:02:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2Y00BHL9DJBM@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:00:55 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Olympics Full coverage swim costume In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <412B2DF7.80008@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ever since I was on a swsim team in high school, Speedo is the ONLY bathingsuit *I* will buy. I also though will only wear plain black swimsuits -don't like all the colors. But I am not even remotly in shape (about 30lbs over in fact) but the legs are cut so i do not expose my bottom, the chest comess up to a resomable hight, and they are build to keep your fat rolls from rolling to much! I did have to buy a low in the bust bathing suit last year cause I figured out that my flemish working women's outfits had lower bust, and i wanted to not have a virginal white bust for sunburn to work at last pennsic. I did not have to worry about that this year as I had to work summer school insted of going to events. Jordana Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 11:38 AM -0500 8/23/04, Cindy Abel wrote: > >> Probably female swimmers, divers, and gymnasts especially also have a >> hard >> time getting to Olympic level if they are top-heavy so to speak. >> Frankly, >> I'd love to see the so-called full-coverage swimsuits mass-marketed in a >> breathable fabric, of course. >> >> Here would be the selling points: >> >> No more worry about losing the tops or bottoms of your suit, girls! >> >> Wear the suit world and Olympic class atheletes wear! > > > Try The styles you're looking for are under > "fastskin". Mind you, the full-length racing suits are $400 apiece. I > don't know how much they could cut that if they made them out of > ordinary swimsuit fabric rather than the special "shark skin" fabric. > > For my money, Speedo is _the_ place to buy "sensible" swimsuits. > Ordinary suits also come in a "conservative" cut that doesn't have the > low neck and high leg-openings that are currently fashionable. > > ObH-Costume: the full-length racing suits look to have even more skin > coverage than a Victorian bathing costume ... although the form-fitting > somewhat undercuts the modesty angle. > > Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 08:18:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OCIGpF032650 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OCGC4d012314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OCGA43030517; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OCG743030496 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:14:50 +0100 From: Teddy To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C396A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [SPAM: 9.000] h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 675 Thread-Index: AcSJl+Xf/EGRcjJDRIGK4PSz23Gi+QAO4Z/w content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: [SPAM: 9.000] h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 675 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:50:45 -0700 > From: Wicked Frau > Subject: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery > fabric I didn't know? > To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" > Message-ID: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > My friend and I are working on a project this summer (an Elizabethan) > and I was cutting out skirt fabric this evening and have noticed > something about the fabric (which is upholstery/drapery fabric). To > match the patterns up, I must overlap the fabric by 12 or so > inches on > both sides. It is not possible to do it with a normal seam > allowance. > Is this something the upholstery/drapery industry does on a regular > basis which I have never known, or have we got a ''lemon'' > fabric here? > > You can see what I mean here: > http://www.saragrace.net/3E_6_QEW_Fabric&Trims.html >From looking at the pictures, it looks like you need to adjust where you cut your panels so that thepattern moved up or down by half a repeat - then it should match up just off the selvedge, instead of 12 inches over from it. This often happens on repeat upholstery fabrics. It can still create wastage - but horizontal strips rather than vertical ones - and often less than neding to add and extra panel in to get the fullness across the width because you've had to take out several wide vertical strips. Good luck! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 09:06:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OD6RdF000451 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OD4D4d015695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OD4943054316; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OD4043054218 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m149.in-tch.com [216.166.191.149]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7OD3ON18907 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <412B3DB8.3040304@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:08:08 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic References: <200408240039.51339.cathy@thyrsus.com> <412ACC39.80303@in-tch.com> <200408240129.11348.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200408240129.11348.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did you ever have part of a full-length skirt tend to get trapped between your legs as you walk? Instead of staying outside, around your circumference? like that... Not a problem I've ever had, either, but Jane swears about it frequently. We're built quite differently, so I'd always chalked it up to that.... --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 24 August 2004 1:03 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > >>I have friends who hate them because they have problems with the gored >>part diving between their legs, > > > Huh. I'm not sure what you mean about "the gored part" diving between the > legs--but then I always do my gores to start at waist level. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 09:18:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ODIDlt000556 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:18:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODG84d016443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODG643059803; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODG443059722 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:15:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6551@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:15:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or maybe you walk differently? I tend to take rather large steps, and my full-length dresses can get between my legs when walking. /Lena Sue Clememger wrote: >Did you ever have part of a full-length skirt tend to get trapped between your legs as you walk? Instead of staying outside, around your circumference? like that... Not a problem I've ever had, either, but Jane swears about it frequently. We're built quite differently, so I'd always chalked it up to that.... --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 24 August 2004 1:03 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > >>I have friends who hate them because they have problems with the gored >>part diving between their legs, > > > Huh. I'm not sure what you mean about "the gored part" diving between the > legs--but then I always do my gores to start at waist level. > ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 09:28:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ODSs7C000590 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:28:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODRc4d017222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODRZ43065511; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODRW43065476 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:27:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7OE3e5c025256 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7OE3e12025255 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408241403.i7OE3e12025255@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems In-Reply-To: <412AA057.5020506@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >snippage< > > The corset is at least a couple inches smaller than her measurements, > and I remember she had to take it in after the first time because it > wasn't tight enough. We do the scene from Gone with the Wind, and then > we tighten her up again a little while later when the fabric warms up > and relaxes. It works at first, and yet, by the end of the day there's a > crease under her bust and there's no support. >From personal experience, she's going to have to wear The Girls a little higher than she's starting out with -- or perhaps even comfortable with. (My husband swears that they're not as TOAPish as I think they are.) Gravity is a factor after all -- if she's starting out with them where she wants them -- by the time they sag a little, you've got problems. Sounds almost like she's pushing them not only >in< but >down< as well. BeenThereTriedThat ... If she's not, she'll have to push >in< and >up< to keep from sagging like that. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 09:48:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ODmTJ5000722 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:48:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODlg4d018580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODle43075886; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODlb43075858 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7OENj5c025515 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:23:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7OENjsI025514 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408241423.i7OENjsI025514@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] seams, seam finishes, and hems In-Reply-To: <200408240014.14083.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > On Monday 23 August 2004 12:10 am, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > > I have been tasked by my mundane weaving guild to present a program on > > seams, seam finishes, and hems that have been and/or could be used on > > handwoven fabrics. I would like to include as many "period" examples as > > can be documented. Any help from this group would be very much > > appreciated. Thank you. > > Dang. I could have sworn I knew of a site that discussed Viking period > clothing construction stitches.... there is -- I've got it printed of at home. I know that there's this one of Mistress Thora Sharptooth's http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/vikembroid.html http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/asvembroid.html and she talks about ornamentation of seams and some construction stitches in both of them. Found it! http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/stitches.htm jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 09:53:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ODrrSC000748 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:53:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODqk4d018897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODqk43078764; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODqi43078749 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzbjA-00035g-00; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:52:44 -0700 Message-ID: <412B483A.7010603@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:52:58 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric I didn't know? References: <001601c4898e$34030130$0300a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <001601c4898e$34030130$0300a8c0@genteelarts> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Carolann and others who have responded. I will try again, but I also attempted to shift down a repeat and was still unable to match it. I am thinking since it took me two evenings to even figure out what was going on, that I will probably be able to hide the seam in a fold and that I might be able to get away with it. I hope to baste two panels together today and test that theory out. Thank you so much for the explanation! I guess I just have to chalk it up to learning something new the hard way! Sg Carolann Schmitt wrote: >My in-laws were interior decorators and had their own drapery and upholstery >workrooms. We would occasionally run into this problem on some fabrics, >especially those with larger repeats. It appears the fabric has a half-drop >repeat. We could usually solve this problem by adjusting the cutting length >on some of the panels; i.e. some panels were longer than the others by 1/2 >the repeat. This also creates some waste (left over horizontal pieces >instead of vertical ones), but frequently it was less waste than trying to >match it the other way. And with careful planning, we could often use the >horizontal waste pieces for valences, tiebacks, pillow trims, etc. >Occasionally, the only option was to cut off the excess fabric along one >selvage - a real waste of fabric when the job calls for 60+ yards! > >Either way, it was a lesson I learned well. If I want to match the pattern >horizontally and vertically, I always check both the repeats and the selvage >edges before buying. > >Carolann Schmitt > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 09:59:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ODxIKc000776 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:59:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODwI4d019226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODwE43081807; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ODwA43081771 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7OEYJ5c025683 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7OEYJq0025682 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408241434.i7OEYJq0025682@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > > http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-queenanneslace.html > > This site should help, though they say it is a dark/deep purple flower(s). > > I am only familiar with QAL No. 1 (from the site above) which is all white, > like a showerhead composed of tiny flower bits. It has no red or purple > center whatsover. > > Cathy Raymond > > _______ > First picture is not a close up. To my knowledge All QAsL have that > red/purple flower(s) in the center. and organism that has pigment can have albino forms -- even QAL. Note picture 3, it has the red spot but > it is barely noticeable. 2a is a close up of a section of 2. Same with 3a > which is a close up of 3. 5 also has a barely there red flower. > If there is no red "flower" then you may have something else that is from > the Umbelliferae, Carrot family. Such as Anise, Cow parsley, > Angelica......... It's possible -- but it's also possible that she has a population of albino QAL -- it is a formally named "forma": Daucus carota forma epurpurata -- described by O.A. Farwell in 1923. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 10:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OE406n000804 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:04:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OE384d019612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OE3443084618; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OE2w43084582 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I2Y00ARSF0T8D@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:02:52 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" In-reply-to: <200408241403.i7OE3e12025255@sabre.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <412B4A8C.5080709@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: <200408241403.i7OE3e12025255@sabre.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is just a thought, but does anyone know of the website of the insitution that has the st.louis shirt? I was just thingking that we/we/someone could email mail them asking about the seam finishes. They might respond. it's worth a try at least. Also, on the same topic, I would like to get a copy of Norland's buired norsemen, and I remember someone saying that there was going to be reprint last summer. I can't remember if it was on this list or somewhere else. anyone here have any info on that? But also, where are the originals archived or what institution has all the documents/items that were recovered? Do they have a web site? Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 10:17:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OEHVXJ000850 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEGS4d020743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEGQ43092830; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav2.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.106]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEGL43092736 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:16:16 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav2.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:16:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:16:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 14:16:16.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAED3720:01C489E4] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you move one of the pieces up for a half design, then you'll be able to match up the edges with what I estimate to be between 1 and 2 inches seam allowance. I think your problem right now is that where you made your cut, you end up in between designs. Of course, if you were to move one of the pieces up, your edges wouldn't line up anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? > My friend and I are working on a project this summer (an Elizabethan) > and I was cutting out skirt fabric this evening and have noticed > something about the fabric (which is upholstery/drapery fabric). To > match the patterns up, I must overlap the fabric by 12 or so inches on > both sides. It is not possible to do it with a normal seam allowance. > Is this something the upholstery/drapery industry does on a regular > basis which I have never known, or have we got a ''lemon'' fabric here? > > You can see what I mean here: > http://www.saragrace.net/3E_6_QEW_Fabric&Trims.html > > Sg > > (who had to change her email address to get her life organized.) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 10:38:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OEcGHm000988 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:38:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEZv4d022479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEZj43005709; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEZU43005506 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzcOX-00064a-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <412B523F.4070107@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:35:43 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? References: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh, I sure thought I had tried everything, but I will try that again. I'll let you guys know what happens! Sg Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >If you move one of the pieces up for a half design, then you'll be able to >match up the edges with what I estimate to be between 1 and 2 inches seam >allowance. I think your problem right now is that where you made your cut, >you end up in between designs. Of course, if you were to move one of the >pieces up, your edges wouldn't line up anymore. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wicked Frau" >To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:50 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric >Ididn't know? > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 10:39:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OEdKBI000995 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:39:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEcQ4d022703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEcN43007515; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:38:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEcI43007401 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6552@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:38:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO J.A. Urbik wrote: > Also, on the same topic, I would like to get a copy of Norland's buired norsemen, and I remember someone saying that there was going to be reprint last summer. I can't remember if it was on this list or somewhere else. anyone here have any info on that? But also, where are the originals archived or what institution has all the documents/items that were recovered? Do they have a web site? It ought to be the National Museum of Denmark (www.natmus.dk). Or _possibly_ things have been move to the museum in Greenland. Regarding Norlund's book, it's not a reprint, but a re-analysis of the finds (and other Greenland textile finds) called Woven into the earth, by Else Ostergaard. Worth its money, but I've no idea when the english edition is coming out. And don't bother buying the danish edition in hope that you'll get most info from the summary - unless you speak inuit... /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 10:44:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OEi1vp001025 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEfM4d022939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEfK43009434; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav19.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.123]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEfI43009364 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:26:47 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav19.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:26:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408240039.51339.cathy@thyrsus.com> <412ACC39.80303@in-tch.com> <200408240129.11348.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:21:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 14:26:47.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[633C8310:01C489E6] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Tuesday 24 August 2004 1:03 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > I have friends who hate them because they have problems with the gored > > part diving between their legs, > > Huh. I'm not sure what you mean about "the gored part" diving between the > legs--but then I always do my gores to start at waist level. I know, I almost have that problem, but my undertunics don't have the gore in front and they seem to help keep the outer tunic in place too. That tends to happen to me when the gore is a little too wide. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 10:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OErx9w001087 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEqR4d024100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEqK43017079; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav14.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OEqD43016952 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:37:39 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav14.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:37:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c489cc$be2cb070$761117d1@computername> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:32:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 14:37:39.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7A6DE60:01C489E7] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I agree - everyone I know kept saying it was the best weather Pennsic in > years! My only problem was that we'd gotten there on 2nd Sunday night, and had to leave Saturday, so that meant 3 days of nice weather and 2 days of rain. Not a good ratio. > And then after the sea tide came in Friday, the sun came out > Saturday and everything dried out. I think you weren't camped in my area :-) My things didn't have time to dry out, and we left around 11 am. > I didn't even have any trouble getting > my little toy truck out of the parking lot Sat Morning Me neither, but then I have a 4 wheel drive Subaru, and we'd seen people get stuck all morning (including a pickup truck that had to be towed out with a tractor) so we knew where the ground was safe... I think I liked my first Pennsic better (30). It was too hot, but I function better in that kind of weather than under the rain... Even a think wool tunic and hood weren't enough to stop the rain we had on Friday. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 11:05:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OF5R4m001158 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:05:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OF4N4d025358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OF4K43025941; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7OF4H43025826 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OlnvIQljHxG06x9z0Lp8/ss= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5TA2L2A; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:42:38 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:37:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Message-ID: <20040824.074147.1460.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm tall, with a long stride. The only long dresses I have are my SCA clothes, which have either side seams, or, for the sideless surcoats, deep side gores. Never have a problem--clothes are comfortable, look great, and never tangle up where they shouldn't. Maybe it's a matter of seam placement? Arlys On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:15:53 +0100 Lena Strid writes: > Or maybe you walk differently? I tend to take rather large steps, and > my > full-length dresses can get between my legs when walking. > > /Lena > > Sue Clememger wrote: > >Did you ever have part of a full-length skirt tend to get trapped > between your legs as you walk? Instead of staying outside, around > your > circumference? like that... > Not a problem I've ever had, either, but Jane swears about it > frequently. We're built quite differently, so I'd always chalked it > up > to that.... > --sue ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 11:09:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OF93Wo001179 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OF7q4d025728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OF7n43028571; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OF7k44028492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD05DBCF2 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9011DBC21 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018101c489eb$f3cdfee0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c489cc$be2cb070$761117d1@computername> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:06:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site > > I agree - everyone I know kept saying it was the best weather Pennsic in > > years! > My only problem was that we'd gotten there on 2nd Sunday night, and had to > leave Saturday, so that meant 3 days of nice weather and 2 days of rain. Not > a good ratio. I arrived on Monday, and left on Sunday. Lots of rain, but I think I experienced almost everything Pennsic has to offer--I took several classes, attended several parties, shopped, worked in a shop, drank delicious mead made by a campmate, sat in the sunshine, and got thoroughly soaked!! I didn't attend court or watch any fighting, but there is always next year. And I will forever be grateful to our group's Land Agent. We had to move from our former spot, and were offered a choice of two locations--N10 or N13. She turned down N10 because it had a "divot" in the middle of it. That's the location people actually had to be evacuated from after Friday's rain. More than half the block had about 8 inches of water covering it! It was definitely an experience! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 11:40:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OFeBWC001399 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OFcJ4d029042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OFcD43051602; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f4.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OFcA43051477 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:38:04 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.162 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:38:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.162] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:38:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 15:38:04.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[58C61770:01C489F0] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Glenda Robinson" >We also have to realise that a flat-fronted tunic looks better to our >20th-21st century eyes. BUT we have to think of what this looked like to >they're century eyes! And if they did it >more >often than not, we should too. My family's 8-10th century clothing have two >with, two without. The without are definitely easier to make, and I HATE >cutting the centre line on my tunics for the gore insertion, but one must >do >what one must do... What I find really interesting is to take a look at medieval illustrations (for example in the Maciejowski Bible), and see how often they will show a few extra lines of vertical wrinkling in front - almost as an after-thought in the artwork, but that resemble the front folds of a properly hanging wool cote with a front gore. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 12:17:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OGH354001582 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGFb4d003310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGFa43081046; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:15:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGEw43080457 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.82]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040824161401.UWFC1580.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:14:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c489f5$167e8640$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: References: <200408231723.i7NHNQJ7092831@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: head wrap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:26:36 -0500 > From: "Chiara" > Subject: [h-cost] head wrap > Are there instructions any where online on 1) how to make this and 2) how to > wrap it? > > http://www.historicenterprises.com/images_store/products_large/product_128.j pg > > Chiara There are several ways to do a head wrap, all are very simple, you just need to play with different widths and shapes of cloth and practice til you get the look you want. Here is a pdf article on how to wrap a turban: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Other_Articles_V_Turba n.pdf For the wrap in the picture you posted you will not need anywhere near as much fabric as he uses for his turban, a couple of yards would probably be enough. Ladies turbans: http://www.bcoole.com/designs/turban/ An article about Vermeer and European Turbans: (cut and paste) http://girl-with-a-pearl-earring.20m.com/Girl_with_a_Pearl%20Earring_The_Tur ban.htm Ladies head wraps: http://www.tznius.com/cgi-bin/tying.pl Written description on how to wrap a turban: http://www.farfesha.com/pages/turban.html These are just to get you started, there are a thousand variations, all with similar results. The type and texture of your fabric, the size and shape of the fabric, how tight or how loose you twist it, will all affect your final product. Practice and play around with it until you get what you want. I usually use either a long rectangular piece of fabric, or a very large square of fabric that has been folded into a triangle, usually an Indian cotton or a light soft linen, or a silk. Synthetics will not stay put, you need something with a bit of texture to it, it will grip your hair and itself and stay where you put it without having to resort to pins. hope this helps! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 12:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OGOUF2001646 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:24:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGNV4d004237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGNT43087617; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGJb44084341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7OGIHTA005565 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:18:17 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412B6A96.9010600@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:19:34 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: What I find really interesting is to take a look at medieval > illustrations (for example in the Maciejowski Bible), and see how often > they will show a few extra lines of vertical wrinkling in front - almost > as an after-thought in the artwork, but that resemble the front folds of > a properly hanging wool cote with a front gore. Yeah! And I found out something interesting a few years back: you know the Manesse illustrations with the lined coats with a CF opening, and the lining is showing in two narrow triangles starting at around the waist opening to the hem? If you line an open-front gored tunic with fur, it hangs exactly like that automatically. I was very amused! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent The one time in my life I visit Loch Ness and I miss getting to see a virgin sacrifice by a few days. That's just my luck. -- Alex Boese on the plan by the British White Witches to sacrifice a female virgin and some veggies to bring Nessie up from the depths of Loch Ness in Sept '04 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 12:36:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OGatFj001728 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:36:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGZT4d005458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGZR43097241; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGZM43097169 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.123] (pm7-123.eos.net [205.133.149.123]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7OGZGRW007778 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:35:16 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:31:59 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408240500.i7O50044037439@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: center gores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like the look of center front gores on tunic skirts, but IMHO the attractiveness of the look depends A) on the wearer's figure, and B) on where the point of the gore is placed -- sometimes both. If the person has a protruding stomach, for instance, the gore will not look good unless the point is above the stomach, thus making the skirt fuller from (say) mid-ribcage on down. That's for a long tunic. A short tunic or a shirt is a bit different. A shirt, especially, isn't meant to be seen alone, so the gore can be placed practically anywhere that's comfortable. A gore that begins too low looks terrible on anyone. A person who is not skinny will frequently look better without the front gore, because the smoother front will be more slimming. My point (and I do have one) is that the gore is supposed to provide ease and width. It should be placed in such a way that the garment looks attractive. Some people just put the gore in the same place for every wearer, and I don't see this as a correct solution. We are frequently sewing for people who have body types that were not typical for that era, and I think we have to adjust accordingly. Also, we are trying to replicate garments that were made specifically for the wearer, not mass-produced. I see the placement of gores in period garments as general guidelines, not as hard-and-fast regulations. Others may see this issue differently, but that's my take on it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 12:55:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OGtdLa001863 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:55:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGjR4d006600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGjL43004872; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OGjI43004801 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13374 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:51:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:51:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes In-Reply-To: <412B4A8C.5080709@optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > This is just a thought, but does anyone know of the website of the > insitution that has the st.louis shirt? I was just thingking that > we/we/someone could email mail them asking about the seam finishes. > They might respond. it's worth a try at least. It's hanging in the treasury of the Cathedral of Notre Dame, and venerated as a relic. Just a hunch, but I don't think their interest is academic, and I doubt they have any curators with textile specialties there, but I could be surprised. I know of only one serious writeup of the garment (Burnham, in Cut My Cote) which sounds to me as though it was done via observation through the glass. Heather, do you know of any other information? With all the costume scholars in France, you'd think that someone like Odile Blanc or Francoise Piponnier might have tried to get hand on it at some point. At least, with the tunic hanging inside-out, you can see the nice little label sewn to the inside, on which is written in 15th c. handwriting something on the line of "This is the shirt of St. Louis." (I copied the French text in my notes when I was there, but it's buried somewhere in my office now.) > Also, on the same topic, I would like to get a copy of Norland's > buired norsemen, and I remember someone saying that there was going to > be reprint last summer. I can't remember if it was on this list or > somewhere else. anyone here have any info on that? "Buried Norsemen at Herjolfsnes" is Norlund's original report of the finds at Herjolfsnes, Greenland. It is not, to my knowledge, slated to be reprinted. You are probably thinking of "Woven into the Earth," a re-assessment of all the Greenland medieval textile finds, by Else Ostergaard, the curator who handles these materials at the National Museum of Denmark. The Danish version of this new book has been out for some months now. The English version is still in proof stage; in fact, I have a copy of the proofs of the English translation here next to me. Last I heard, about a week ago, Else has just finished making substantial corrections on the proofs. Amazon now lists the book as being expected Nov. 1, 2004, which sounds about right if there are no further delays, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Originally it was targeted to be out over a year ago; they were taking pre-orders at Kalamazoo in May 2003 (about which I posted here). We have a review of the book going into the first volume of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, thanks to the fortunate circumstance that one of our board members for the journal is fluent in Danish and has a specialty that covers this area -- how lucky could we get? She reviewed the Danish version. It will be interesting to see whether the English version actually makes it into readers' hands before our journal does (expected May 2005). I think I will not be giving away too much to say that our reviewer notes that anyone looking for better costume patterns will be disappointed in the new book. The only new pattern diagrams are of one gown (not one of the "popular" ones), one hood, and a single hose. However, there is a wealth of information that will benefit the serious re-enactor, including information on production processes, dyes, dating, and fibers, and better (color) photographs of many finds and fragments. > But also, where are the originals archived or what institution has all > the documents/items that were recovered? Do they have a web site? The originals, which are in dreadful condition, are at the National Museum of Denmark. They are horribly underfunded and I understand there is much work Else would like to see done that simply won't get done. I doubt you will find any further information online than you will get from the new book, although there have been a handful of small papers on details of the finds published over the last 80 years, many in Danish. Heather is the expert on that. My impression is that most of what has been written till now has relied on Norlund's report, not on firsthand examination of the garments. Else's new book will re-set the bar. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 13:22:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OHM0II003059 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:22:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OHL34d010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OHKx43032743; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f35.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OHKu43032639 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jessicastier@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:20:50 -0700 Received: from 69.75.225.218 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:20:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.75.225.218] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jessicastier@hotmail.com From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:20:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 17:20:50.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[B40966B0:01C489FE] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Godets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All. If you have access the March 2004 issue of Threads Magazine, you will see a wonderful article on godets. There are detailed instructions with pictures on how to insert them into both a seam and a non-seamed area (such as the front of the T-Tunic). I really enjoyed the article and found it very inspirational in making some new spring skirts. I'm sure you can find it at the library or maybe even online. Good luck! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 13:35:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OHZnJN003142 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:35:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OHYj4d011933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OHY843043091; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7OHY043042969 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040824173354.52383.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.60.172.50] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:33:54 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Newport X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How was Newport this year? And how are your feet? Ann in CT Who was at Pennsic last week & whose tent did not float away. --- Katy Bishop wrote: > We just got back last night from the Newport Vintage > Dance Week. Don't know how many list members were > there. > > I enjoyed a week in the past with no computers or > tv's........ > > Katy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 14:08:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OI8Y8x003381 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:08:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OI7D4d015536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OI7243069210; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OI6e43068805 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7OI6aQF004565 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040824140518.01b14830@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:06:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <20040824173354.52383.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:OT - Newport X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welcome back... and that is exactly the same reason I go to Pennsic each year, simply to 'unplug' from modern life. Bridgette / Mari > > We just got back last night from the Newport Vintage > > Dance Week. Don't know how many list members were > > there. > > > > I enjoyed a week in the past with no computers or > > tv's........ > > > > Katy webmaster@vet.cornell.edu Mari Stewart College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 14:18:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OIIXmK003430 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OIEw4d016466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OIEq43075632; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from comet.dns-nac-zone.com (comet.dns-nac-zone.com [207.99.46.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OIEn44075590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laura@wisterian.net) Received: from bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com ([129.33.49.251] helo=r78ckbgx) by comet.dns-nac-zone.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bzfok-0006Ug-Bj for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:14:46 +0000 From: "Irmgart H" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] corset problems Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:15:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040824012657.01891f00@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - comet.dns-nac-zone.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wisterian.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't read through all the replies for this yet, so I don't know if these suggestions have been tendered: 1) if no straps, add straps. Make them shorter than you think they need to be and tie one end to the corset either at the front or the back. 2) add some stiffer boning to the sides and the back. I added two 1/2" wide zip ties to each side and to each edge (back lacing) of my corded corset. Be sure you file or melt the ends so that they are smooth, otherwise they'll poke. 3)if you want *some* stiffening but not a lot to the front, try adding a few of the 1/4" wide zip ties or shoving more cording in. Hope that helps! -Irmgart -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:27 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset problems >What can we do, aside from starting over, to make this work for her? >She'd like to go in costume when our local ren-fest opens on Labor Day >weekend, which gives us about 10 days to fix the problem. We will >probably really only have one or two nights to work on this. Anybody got >any miracle fixes? Add straps if there aren't any? Shorten the straps if they are there? Add a stiff busk down the front, like made from a slat from a wooden tomato crate or orange crate (1830s corded corsets have these)? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 14:20:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OIKn93003444 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OIJq4d016898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OIJp43079274; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OIJh43079131 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BzftS-0001Wy-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:19:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:18:16 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear all, I have been invited to a fancy dress party, with a theme of "hats and hoods". I'm in that position of having a picture in my head of what I want to do, and then trying to find the sources, so I'm looking for some help. The image I have is of a costume which is basically the generic Germanic folk costume - skirt, white pouffy blouse, fitted bodice. The hat (which is the main point of the thing) is a wide-brimmed black hat with huge red pom-poms sitting on the brim all round. I have no idea where I got this image from, but its a strong one. I don't think I imagined it completely! Questions: 1. Does anyone recognise this idea, and can point me to some images, or even the right words to search on? I thought it was German / Bavarian, but looking at sites on German Tracht hasn't turned up any big red pom-poms. I don't need patterns, just pictures to firm up the details of the costume below the neck. 2. I won't be able to boogie all night in a huge hat, so I want to make a fancy under-cap to wear when I take it off. Any suggestions of sites to look at? For this, patterns would be helpful, but they need to be on the net or readily available in the UK. 3. If I can't find a cheap black hat, I have a straw hat I could use. What should I use to dye or paint it (that won't come off on me)? Thanks for any ideas, Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 15:07:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OJ7VJV003756 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:07:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OJ6b4d021332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OJ6S43015959; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OJ5N43014919 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-8.12) id A1665800098; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:05:10 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.115 ([209.131.81.115] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 24 Aug 04 19:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c48a0e$3c3814a0$735183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009101c48918$f5f65b00$725183d1@rmitchellras> <000301c48967$fcfcf6d0$c4a1b041@office> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:12:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can get the illusion of volume with just plain tulle. Add a few of judiciously placed flowers and some feathers and wired ribbon bows. I even used some boa scraps. Don't forget that many hats of this period placed the flowers and other trim on the 'underside' of the brim as well as on top. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > WOW! Do I ever admire your patience and intestial fortitude, Kathleen! I'm > getting cold feet and I've not started as yet. A dozen would undoubtedly > put me underground. > > Thanks for the tips. I need all the help I can get. > > Meg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > > > > I had to make a dozen or so a couple of years ago. Using a basic 18" > blank. > > I added about 10" of additional straw or heavy buckram extensions and then > > supported the new larger brim with strips of rigiline. Then all the fun > of > > ornamentation! I attached one or two 'pointed' elastic bands (like for > > masks) to assist the wearing; hat pins were not enough, especially for > young > > women who were not used to wearing big hats. I have some hats from this > era > > and find that for the most part, the under brim is frequently lined, so > that > > the extension is cleverly disguised. > > > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:36 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > > > > > > > I was wrong it not McCalls it Butteric patter 4910 > > > > > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.100004210=x&T > I=10013&pageNum=2&M=&UK=33865777 > > > > > > Wilhelmina > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 17:32:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OLWsoG005616 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OLVg4d007041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OLVP43030063; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OLVM43030023 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0077.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.77]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bzisy-00054T-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:31:21 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:32:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is definitely a German folk hat--I know because I used to have a doll from Germany who wore a dark-blue dirndl, a white blouse, a black apron, white stockings, and almost exactly that hat, although I'd say the brim was medium rather than wide. It sat rather high on her head. Her hair was in a thick braid around her head under the hatbrim. If there's a website for German folk DOLLS you might have luck getting an image. Sorry to have no inspiration to offer for an under-cap: myself, I'd go for a little babushka (what would the German word be???) like the ones the Hummel girls wear. They can be devastatingly charming on adults--when I did Wendy Wasserstein's Man in a Case I costumed the young woman in a Ukrainian embroidered dress and just that kind of babushka (she arrives onstage on a bicycle so I thought she'd have a simple headdress) and the actress looked irresistible. Good luck. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 8/24/04 2:18 PM, Jean Waddie at anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk wrote: > Dear all, > > I have been invited to a fancy dress party, with a theme of "hats and > hoods". I'm in that position of having a picture in my head of what I > want to do, and then trying to find the sources, so I'm looking for some > help. > > The image I have is of a costume which is basically the generic Germanic > folk costume - skirt, white pouffy blouse, fitted bodice. The hat > (which is the main point of the thing) is a wide-brimmed black hat with > huge red pom-poms sitting on the brim all round. I have no idea where I > got this image from, but its a strong one. I don't think I imagined it > completely! > > Questions: > > 1. Does anyone recognise this idea, and can point me to some > images, or even the right words to search on? I thought it was German / > Bavarian, but looking at sites on German Tracht hasn't turned up any big > red pom-poms. I don't need patterns, just pictures to firm up the > details of the costume below the neck. > > 2. I won't be able to boogie all night in a huge hat, so I want to > make a fancy under-cap to wear when I take it off. Any suggestions of > sites to look at? For this, patterns would be helpful, but they need to > be on the net or readily available in the UK. > > 3. If I can't find a cheap black hat, I have a straw hat I could > use. What should I use to dye or paint it (that won't come off on me)? > > Thanks for any ideas, > > Jean > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 18:14:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7OMExx3005926 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:14:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OMEA4d011419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OME743062241; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7OMDk43061847 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 0C89E18004CB for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:13:41 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Aug 2004 22:13:40 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D8AF186AE9; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:13:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:13:35 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:13:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quietness X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040824221340.D8AF186AE9@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy my dear, you may indeed by right. I never thought about why it happens before. I wonder if there is anyway to test this theory out...I bet that would explain why I drove my Tai Chi master bananas - I couldn't perfect one pose/move at a time, I need the whole "routine" and then could perfect the individual bits... Cheers, Danielle > > LOL! I thought I was the only one who had this problem! I > > could make Elizabethan in my sleep and manage to mess up > > every t-tunic I have ever made. Mind you it isn't just in > > sewing - I aced High School calculus (95%) and failed algebra > > and geometry...go figure. :P Come to think of it, even in > > dance class, I could do the complicated & advanced moves and > > was completely stumped by the "beginer" ones. How odd. > > Perhaps your brain sees the "whole picture" for the complicated stuff > and skims over the basics to get there - leaving you high and dry if you > need to access the info for the basics.... > > Teddy -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 19:12:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ONCiBF006241 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ONBx4d017086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ONBp43003813; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ONBm43003707 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC349425D7 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412BCB74.4050606@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:12:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Scraps Of Prehistoric Fabric Provide A View Of Ancient Life X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PHILADELPHIA – Fragments of ancient fabric – some dating back to the time the Coliseum was built in Rome – may give researchers better insight into the lives of Native Americans who lived in eastern North America some 800 to 2,000 years ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/08/040823093054.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 19:30:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ONUO1t006312 for ; 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charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7ONTZ43015915 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! How lovely! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 8/24/04 7:12 PM, Dawn at dawn@reddawn.net wrote: > > PHILADELPHIA ­ Fragments of ancient fabric ­ some dating back to the > time the Coliseum was built in Rome ­ may give researchers better > insight into the lives of Native Americans who lived in eastern North > America some 800 to 2,000 years ago. > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/08/040823093054.htm > > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 20:18:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P0IaYf006512 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P0Hu4d022838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P0Hr43045380; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f20.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P0Hp43045318 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:17:45 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:17:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Godets Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:17:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 00:17:45.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2349330:01C48A38] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I forgot all about that article, it was realy good. Have read this months article on strips? I bought MaCalls 4458 skirt pattern and am kinda stuck. I guess I haven found the right cloth yet. Wilhelmina >From: "jessica stier" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] RE: Godets >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:20:50 +0000 > >Hi All. > >If you have access the March 2004 issue of Threads Magazine, you will see a >wonderful article on godets. There are detailed instructions with pictures >on how to insert them into both a seam and a non-seamed area (such as the >front of the T-Tunic). > >I really enjoyed the article and found it very inspirational in making some >new spring skirts. > >I'm sure you can find it at the library or maybe even online. > >Good luck! > >:) jessica > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Have read this months article on strips? I bought MaCalls 4458 skirt pattern and am kinda stuck. I guess I haven found the right cloth yet. Wilhelmina >From: "jessica stier" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] RE: Godets >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:20:50 +0000 > >Hi All. > >If you have access the March 2004 issue of Threads Magazine, you will see a >wonderful article on godets. There are detailed instructions with pictures >on how to insert them into both a seam and a non-seamed area (such as the >front of the T-Tunic). > >I really enjoyed the article and found it very inspirational in making some >new spring skirts. > >I'm sure you can find it at the library or maybe even online. > >Good luck! > >:) jessica > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 20:25:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P0Ptab006549 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P0P54d023266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P0P143048948; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f4.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P0Ow43048834 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:24:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:24:53 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:24:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:24:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 00:24:53.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1110550:01C48A39] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think they have a website. There is a book that discuss those seams or look through one of my list. It will propobly be easier to check the library shelf. The book discusssed several very interesting seam joining styles that I have not seen documented any place else. Wilhelmina >From: Lena Strid >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:38:10 +0100 > >J.A. Urbik wrote: > > Also, on the same topic, I would like to get a copy of Norland's buired >norsemen, and I remember someone saying that there was going to be >reprint last summer. I can't remember if it was on this list or >somewhere else. anyone here have any info on that? But also, where are >the originals archived or what institution has all the documents/items >that were recovered? Do they have a web site? > > >It ought to be the National Museum of Denmark (www.natmus.dk). Or >_possibly_ >things have been move to the museum in Greenland. > >Regarding Norlund's book, it's not a reprint, but a re-analysis of the >finds >(and other Greenland textile finds) called Woven into the earth, by Else >Ostergaard. Worth its money, but I've no idea when the english edition is >coming out. And don't bother buying the danish edition in hope that you'll >get most info from the summary - unless you speak inuit... > >/Lena > > > >================================================= >Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. >Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers >2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 >Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 >Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com >Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com >================================================= > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >This email is private and confidential and may contain >legally privileged information. 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Instead of staying outside, around your > circumference? like that... The only time I ever had anything like that happen was when I wore an 1840's dress I had made with 3 petticoats. I've never had that problem with early period garb. > Not a problem I've ever had, either, but Jane swears about it > frequently. We're built quite differently, so I'd always chalked it up > to that.... Probably right. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 22:16:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P2GQTr007104 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:16:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P2Fm4d001942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P2Fj43004380; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7P2Fg43004362 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 83673 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 02:15:41 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 02:15:41 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <412BF6D2.4040705@footworkmedia.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:17:54 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Needles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What's the best source for really high quality hand sewing needles? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 23:49:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P3n6hD007497 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P3mE4d008334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:48:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P3m543052746; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P3lv44052663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7P3olLt020725 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:50:47 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:56:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6551@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> In-Reply-To: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6551@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408242356.30856.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 24 August 2004 9:15 am, Lena Strid wrote: > Or maybe you walk differently? I tend to take rather large steps, and my > full-length dresses can get between my legs when walking. Hard to say. I take big steps myself, but my legs are kinda on the short side even for my lack of size. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 24 23:51:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P3p2DC007502 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:51:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P3oH4d008501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P3oH43053783; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P3o944053725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7P3qxGg020796 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:52:59 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:58:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408242358.42939.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 24 August 2004 3:11 am, otsisto wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > > http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-queenanneslace.html > > This site should help, though they say it is a dark/deep purple > > flower(s). > > I am only familiar with QAL No. 1 (from the site above) which is all white, > like a showerhead composed of tiny flower bits. It has no red or purple > center whatsover. > > Cathy Raymond > > _______ > First picture is not a close up. To my knowledge All QAsL have that > red/purple flower(s) in the center. That surprises me. I never noticed a red or purple flower in the center of all the QAL I saw as a kid. > Note picture 3, it has the red spot but > it is barely noticeable. 2a is a close up of a section of 2. Same with 3a > which is a close up of 3. 5 also has a barely there red flower. > If there is no red "flower" then you may have something else that is from > the Umbelliferae, Carrot family. Such as Anise, Cow parsley, > Angelica......... Though the roots of the ones I nibbled as a kid sure tasted like carrot to me. :-) > Found this site. It is not QAsL, > http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/lindman/260.jpg > Anyway I think I need to end this topic as it has been running to long off > topic. > Good luck with finding out what it is in your yard. I don't live near land with QAL on it anymore, but I'll have to look more closely next time I'm in a meadow. Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 00:36:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P4aDH3007733 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P4Z24d011809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P4Yw43076096; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P4Yu43076073 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzpUs-0003fM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <412B4A8C.5080709@optonline.net> References: <200408241403.i7OE3e12025255@sabre.goldsword.com> <412B4A8C.5080709@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:31:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:02 AM -0400 8/24/04, J.A.Urbik wrote: >This is just a thought, but does anyone know of the website of the >insitution that has the st.louis shirt? I was just thingking that >we/we/someone could email mail them asking about the seam finishes. >They might respond. it's worth a try at least. It's displayed in the cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris, so I assume it belongs to them. Since their interest it in is no doubt much more as a relic than as a textile artifact, there's no guarantee that anyone there would ever have studied it from a construction angle. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 00:36:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P4aHsG007736 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:36:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P4ZO4d011846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P4ZO43076333; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P4Yw43076095 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BzpUu-0003fM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:34:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:46:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam Fishishes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7P4Yw43076095 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:51 AM -0500 8/24/04, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, J.A.Urbik wrote: > >> This is just a thought, but does anyone know of the website of the >> insitution that has the st.louis shirt? I was just thingking that >> we/we/someone could email mail them asking about the seam finishes.  >> They might respond. it's worth a try at least. > >It's hanging in the treasury of the Cathedral of Notre Dame, and venerated >as a relic. Just a hunch, but I don't think their interest is academic, >and I doubt they have any curators with textile specialties there, but I >could be surprised. I know of only one serious writeup of the garment >(Burnham, in Cut My Cote) which sounds to me as though it was done via >observation through the glass. Heather, do you know of any other >information? All the other references I've seen to it have clearly been working from Burnham. >The originals, which are in dreadful condition, are at the National Museum >of Denmark. They are horribly underfunded and I understand there is much >work Else would like to see done that simply won't get done. I doubt you >will find any further information online than you will get from the new >book, although there have been a handful of small papers on details of the >finds published over the last 80 years, many in Danish. Heather is the >expert on that. My impression is that most of what has been written till >now has relied on Norlund's report, not on firsthand examination of the >garments. Else's new book will re-set the bar. My database currently includes the following publications that make some references to the Herjolfsnes garments, ranging from Norlund's original report and the convenient catalog of cut types found in Nockert to general costume surveys that only include a single photo. Arneborg, Jette. 1996. "Burgunderhuer, baskere og dřde nordboer i Herjolfsnćs, Grřnland." Nationalmuseets Arbejdsmark, 75-83. Geijer, A., A.M. Franzén, & N. Nockert. 1985. Drottening Mararetas Gyllene Kjortel i Uppsala Domkyrka. Stockholm. Nockert, Margareta. 1997. Bockstensmannen och hans Dräkt. Hallands Länsmuseer, Varberg. Nörlund, Poul. 1924. Meddelelser om Gronland: I. Buried Norsemen at Herjolfsnes. National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen. Tarrant, Naomi. 1994. The Development of Costume. Routledge, London. Tilke, Max. [need date]. Costume Patterns and Designs. Frederick A. Praeger, New York. Of these, Norlund is of course the most complete in coverage, but the selection of garments included in Nockert have rather easier-to-follow presentations (although only covering the cut). Geijer, Tarrant, and Tilke each include a much smaller selection of the garments and simply reproduce Norlund's diagrams. Arneborg is concerned only with the hats. Looking at this list, it's clear that it actually _doesn't_ include the "general survey with a single photo" sources -- I could list five or six books off the top of my head that I know include at least one reference -- but those would be less useful in any event. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 02:08:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P68eKp009752 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P67h4d016914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P66q43016323; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P66g43016184 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAD71BA80106; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:59:51 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA7F8290138; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c48a69$75a1e580$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:05:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. 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Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 03:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7P7YLDo003086 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P7Xg4d020981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P7Xd43052797; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7P7Xb43052772 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-75-149.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.149]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7P7WnCb006776 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:33:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040825002124.017857f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:21:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Needles In-Reply-To: <412BF6D2.4040705@footworkmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >What's the best source for really high quality hand sewing needles? 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CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 08:51:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PCph9C009483 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:51:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PCoO4d008506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PCoG43076476; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from newmail.logical.net (newmail.logical.net [209.23.116.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PCoE44076436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from computername (ip-208-20-92-95.modem.logical.net [208.20.92.95]) by newmail.logical.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7PCo3YA002966 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:50:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c48aa2$06868230$5f5c14d0@computername> From: "Home Ec" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6551@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <200408242356.30856.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:49:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Tuesday 24 August 2004 9:15 am, Lena Strid wrote: > > Or maybe you walk differently? I tend to take rather large steps, and my > > full-length dresses can get between my legs when walking. > > Hard to say. I take big steps myself, but my legs are kinda on the short side > even for my lack of size. :-) This happens to me, which is why I hate front gores. I take long steps, but I have long legs - almost all of my 5'7 1/2" height is in my legs. But I actually thought it was because I have a lot of room between my legs, and this is reflected in the room between them when I take steps. I remember conversations at Pennsic about "thigh chaffing" , and my puzzlement about what people were talking about. And now, in my 40s, my teeth grinding now that my thighs actually do touch. But the fabric still ends up between my lower legs when I walk, unless I actually hold it to the side. So my theory is that it is more in how you walk. Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 10:57:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PEvKBU010498 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:57:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PEuB4d019718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PEu743048091; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PEu444048042 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-015ilchicp0017.dialsprint.net ([65.176.144.17] helo=office) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bzz6r-0001nK-On for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:50:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c48ab2$cf009470$1190b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009101c48918$f5f65b00$725183d1@rmitchellras><000301c48967$fcfcf6d0$c4a1b041@office> <002301c48a0e$3c3814a0$735183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de26ee024c1b6e8a5a957d474952b2103d72350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.144.17 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Kathleen. The boa and feathers that I'd ordered earlier arrived yesterday. This attempt may not turn out accurately, but it'll sure be fluffy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > You can get the illusion of volume with just plain tulle. Add a few of > judiciously placed flowers and some feathers and wired ribbon bows. I even > used some boa scraps. Don't forget that many hats of this period placed the > flowers and other trim on the 'underside' of the brim as well as on top. > > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 11:02:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PF2qSM010529 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PEv04d019841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PEux43048763; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PEu443048042 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) Received: from sdn-ap-015ilchicp0017.dialsprint.net ([65.176.144.17] helo=office) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bzz6t-0001nK-SP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:50:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c48ab2$d0432690$1190b041@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:42:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4942.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef8f4233f47979de26ee024c1b6e8a5a95947a6356288d4713350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.144.17 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Wilhelmina. I'll check these out next. Although I'd like to dive right in, I've convinced myself that the time frame I was given is unreasonably short. Thus, I may be at this much longer than I had hoped and/or anticipated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ascot Hat question > > how about thiese two pattern from Wingeo > > http://www.wingeo.com/patterns/700series/patrn715.jpg > http://www.wingeo.com/patterns/700series/patrn709.jpg > > Wilhelmina > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 11:22:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PFMg9w010701 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PFLr4d022402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:21:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PFLn43066487; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail3.mdx.safepages.com (mail3.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PFLl43066430 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail3.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8A5D4890DA; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:21:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust59.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.59]) by mail3.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F63B89084 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:21:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <015101c48ab7$7f7ad0a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6551@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com><200408242356.30856.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000b01c48aa2$06868230$5f5c14d0@computername> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gores or not, that's definitely my experience too, being all legs, though the ol' thighs do barely touch for me as well. I've learned to walk in such a way that the fabric behaves (one foot in _front_ of the other) but if I stop concentrating and just walk normally, whap, tangle city. Fitting the dress a bit more closely to the hips helps a lot for me, but I just don't like the way that fit looks or feels, so I don't bother. Maybe if I ever actually start wearing this sort of thing outside of the house, I'll come up with a better solution. =} -E, the non-participant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Home Ec" ... > But I actually thought it was because I have a lot of room between my legs, > and this is reflected in the room between them when I take steps. I > remember conversations at Pennsic about "thigh chaffing" , and my puzzlement > about what people were talking about. And now, in my 40s, my teeth grinding > now that my thighs actually do touch. But the fabric still ends up between > my lower legs when I walk, unless I actually hold it to the side. > So my theory is that it is more in how you walk. > Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 12:00:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PG0PWx010848 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:00:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PFxY4d026864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PFxM43095271; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f18.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PFxH43095114 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:49:21 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:49:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:49:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 15:49:21.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[16637230:01C48ABB] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO here are some links I found when I did a search.. http://www.bavarian-shopping-mall.com/shop/index.html?target=dept_15.html&lang=en-us great ideals for drindls http://www.hausofbavaria.com/ lots of great jewerly and hats ideas and don't forget to check out ebay http://www.dirndl-dress.com/ quite a few intresting items Wilhelmina >From: Jean Waddie >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:18:16 +0100 > >Dear all, > >I have been invited to a fancy dress party, with a theme of "hats and >hoods". I'm in that position of having a picture in my head of what I want >to do, and then trying to find the sources, so I'm looking for some help. > >The image I have is of a costume which is basically the generic Germanic >folk costume - skirt, white pouffy blouse, fitted bodice. The hat (which >is the main point of the thing) is a wide-brimmed black hat with huge red >pom-poms sitting on the brim all round. I have no idea where I got this >image from, but its a strong one. I don't think I imagined it completely! > >Questions: > >1. Does anyone recognise this idea, and can point me to some images, >or even the right words to search on? I thought it was German / Bavarian, >but looking at sites on German Tracht hasn't turned up any big red >pom-poms. I don't need patterns, just pictures to firm up the details of >the costume below the neck. > >2. I won't be able to boogie all night in a huge hat, so I want to >make a fancy under-cap to wear when I take it off. Any suggestions of >sites to look at? For this, patterns would be helpful, but they need to be >on the net or readily available in the UK. > >3. If I can't find a cheap black hat, I have a straw hat I could use. >What should I use to dye or paint it (that won't come off on me)? > >Thanks for any ideas, > >Jean > > >-- >Jean Waddie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 12:15:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PGFL30010907 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PGCD5B028295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PG0J43096080; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f6.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PG0243095748 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:49:21 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:49:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:49:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2004 15:49:21.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[166BD6A0:01C48ABB] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO here are some links I found when I did a search.. http://www.bavarian-shopping-mall.com/shop/index.html?target=dept_15.html&lang=en-us great ideals for drindls http://www.hausofbavaria.com/ lots of great jewerly and hats ideas and don't forget to check out ebay http://www.dirndl-dress.com/ quite a few intresting items Wilhelmina >From: Jean Waddie >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:18:16 +0100 > >Dear all, > >I have been invited to a fancy dress party, with a theme of "hats and >hoods". I'm in that position of having a picture in my head of what I want >to do, and then trying to find the sources, so I'm looking for some help. > >The image I have is of a costume which is basically the generic Germanic >folk costume - skirt, white pouffy blouse, fitted bodice. The hat (which >is the main point of the thing) is a wide-brimmed black hat with huge red >pom-poms sitting on the brim all round. I have no idea where I got this >image from, but its a strong one. I don't think I imagined it completely! > >Questions: > >1. Does anyone recognise this idea, and can point me to some images, >or even the right words to search on? I thought it was German / Bavarian, >but looking at sites on German Tracht hasn't turned up any big red >pom-poms. I don't need patterns, just pictures to firm up the details of >the costume below the neck. > >2. I won't be able to boogie all night in a huge hat, so I want to >make a fancy under-cap to wear when I take it off. Any suggestions of >sites to look at? For this, patterns would be helpful, but they need to be >on the net or readily available in the UK. > >3. If I can't find a cheap black hat, I have a straw hat I could use. >What should I use to dye or paint it (that won't come off on me)? > >Thanks for any ideas, > >Jean > > >-- >Jean Waddie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 12:48:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PGmEvi011793 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PGlR4d002436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PGlL43032454; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PGlH43032325 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AB1425D7 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:48:23 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glove making CD X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anybody seen the original book? The CD? Got comments? I'm wondering if this is worth the money they're asking. Practical Glove Making by Isabel M. Edwards Published by Pitman & Sons 1929 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=75565&item=8126224691&rd=1 Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 13:57:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PHv4b3012194 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:57:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PHuM4d010206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PHuI43085651; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PHuE43085525 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:56:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.20]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040825175555.JTMR1635.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c48acc$68f40300$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:53:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Fabricaholic's Will X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fabricaholic's Will Being of sound mind and body, I _____, do hereby record my last will and testament, knowing that _______, my ________, (husband, sister, daughter, etc.) has no appreciation of, or in some instances knowledge of, my extensive fabric collection deposited throughout the house. Knowing also that ____ has notified the local thrift store should I precede him or her to the great fabric shop in the sky, to pick up and dispose of the aforementioned collection. Therefore, I do will this collection, and all collections related to it, to my dear fabric preservationist _______. It is my wish that ______________, upon hearing of my death and obtaining clear proof that I did not manage, although goodness know I tried, to take it with me, would come to my home post haste, before the dumpster, search out my collection which is similarly stored. That said collection should be rescued and stacked in my sewing studio along with my sewing machines, frames, old buttons, lace, patterns, quilts, dolls and works in progress. And after this has been done that refreshments should be purchased for my friends, not yet departed, which friends are also _________'s friends, and every last one shall be in that room and they shall hold a wake and say lovely and kind things about me until they run out and then they shall divide amongst themselves, by lot, my wonderful collection. I shall be hovering over that very spot until this is done. ___________ shall then quit this spot and close the door leaving the car, the house and all the stocks and bonds and other worldly trivialities to those who don't understand. This is my wish in the matter. Signed __________________________ Date ______________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 19:06:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7PN6rr1009990 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PN604d014209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PN5o43012345; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7PN5m43012299 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net15sp48.directcon.net [209.79.209.48] (may be forged)) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7PN9XN20065 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:09:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c48af7$07447a60$30d14fd1@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <412ABB84.2060404@earthlink.net> <412ACA3A.6070609@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:58:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT Fabric search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sory for the off topic-ness of this post, but I know someone here will have the answer: My son wants to be Puss in Boots from the movie "Shrek II" for Halloween. Does anyone know where I can find orange tabby fake fur? Thanks, Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 20:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q0MAf4010308 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q0LP4d020216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q0LH43051382; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7Q0LE43051361 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 00:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c48b02$9af83610$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412ABB84.2060404@earthlink.net><412ACA3A.6070609@earthlink.net> <000901c48af7$07447a60$30d14fd1@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Fabric search Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:21:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Margo, There is a nice gal who just sent me her website, specializing in fake fur of all kinds. Of course now I can't find the link, but I'll look on my computer at work. In the meantime, here are some web links I use for costuming. http://fabulousfurs.com/search.asp?t=c&c=9 http://www.fabrics.net/FurDecorating.asp http://www.fauxpawfurs.com/fauxpawfurs%20fabrics.htm A google search for "fake fur" will also produce quite a few choices. Best of luck working with this stuff. I just made a coat for Cabaret for Sally from a 20s pattern so it would look authentic, and I'm still pulling the hair out of my machine...! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT Fabric search > Sory for the off topic-ness of this post, but I know someone here will have > the answer: > > My son wants to be Puss in Boots from the movie "Shrek II" for Halloween. > Does anyone know where I can find orange tabby fake fur? > > Thanks, > > Margo > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 20:37:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q0bdma010361 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q0as4d021190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q0an43058976; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a34-mta01.direcway.com (a34-mta01.direcpc.com [66.82.4.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q0ak43058887 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bettina.anderson@direcway.com) Received: from a34-mss01 (a34-mss01 [172.27.10.13]) by a34-mta01.direcway.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I31008BE3146I@a34-mta01.direcway.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from direcway.com (mail01.direcway.com [172.27.10.16]) by mail01.direcway.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I3100KAN314O6@mail01.direcway.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [66.82.4.92] by mail01.direcway.com (mshttpd); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:36:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:36:40 -0400 From: bettina.anderson@direcway.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <680ec167c491.67c491680ec1@direcway.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What you are looking for is a "Bollenhut", the traditional hat from the blackforest region. Here's a link with picture and description (although it's in German, not to worry, I will translate) http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/Landeskunde/rhein/volkskunde/trachten/bollehut1.htm This is the roughly translated text: It states that the famous red balled hat is an element of the formal folk costume of the unmarried female. It consists of 8 red wool balls arranged in a cross, on top of a limed white straw hat (I would use diluted flat whilte paint and rub it off some before drying to get the same effect). the hat is worn over a tulle cap (looks kind of like a biggins with a brim http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/Landeskunde/rhein/volkskunde/trachten/gutach01.htm). For married women, the balls are black in color. Apparently, unmarried women wore a sleeveles bodice made from velvet and embroidered with flowers, with a heavily pleated black skirt and a short sleeved white blouse. Married women wore long sleeves Have fun and post pictures, Bettina Dear all, I have been invited to a fancy dress party, with a theme of "hats and hoods". I'm in that position of having a picture in my head of what I want to do, and then trying to find the sources, so I'm looking for some help. The image I have is of a costume which is basically the generic Germanic folk costume - skirt, white pouffy blouse, fitted bodice. The hat (which is the main point of the thing) is a wide-brimmed black hat with huge red pom-poms sitting on the brim all round. I have no idea where I got this image from, but its a strong one. I don't think I imagined it completely! Questions: 1. Does anyone recognise this idea, and can point me to some images, or even the right words to search on? I thought it was German / Bavarian, but looking at sites on German Tracht hasn't turned up any big red pom-poms. I don't need patterns, just pictures to firm up the details of the costume below the neck. 2. I won't be able to boogie all night in a huge hat, so I want to make a fancy under-cap to wear when I take it off. Any suggestions of sites to look at? For this, patterns would be helpful, but they need to be on the net or readily available in the UK. 3. If I can't find a cheap black hat, I have a straw hat I could use. What should I use to dye or paint it (that won't come off on me)? Thanks for any ideas, Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 21:58:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q1wPa2010813 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:58:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q1vh4d027732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q1vc43096659; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f9.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q1va43096598 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jessicastier@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:57:31 -0700 Received: from 69.75.225.218 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:57:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.75.225.218] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jessicastier@hotmail.com From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:57:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 01:57:31.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C2DC400:01C48B10] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Godets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Yeah. I really enjoy this magazine!!! I am always learning new ways to do things and fun ideas to try. McCalls 4458 is really cute! It looks to be very versatile and comfortable. What kind of fabric do you have in mind? There are so many options with a skirt like this. :) jessica >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:17:45 +0000 >From: "teawithablackdragon *" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Godets >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >I forgot all about that article, it was realy good. Have read this months >article on strips? I bought MaCalls 4458 skirt pattern and am kinda stuck. >I >guess I haven found the right cloth yet. > >Wilhelmina > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 22:19:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q2JnLB010983 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q2J64d029072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q2Iw43006500; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound3.mail.tds.net (outbound3.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q2Iu43006486 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-248-178.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.248.178]) by outbound3.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id i7Q2Ip3h021195 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:18:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002b01c48b12$b88c6f60$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200408241505.i7OF5744026486@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is an odd question I know. Sorry about that. But I have vague, undefined memories of a Folkwear pattern that used carpet. I don't recall if it's the Hungarian Szur (my favorite coat) or The Tibetan Panel coat, or if it's something I saw online, in a movie, in a book, or completely hallucinated ;) I've recently discovered the joys of punch-hooking rugs, and figured out that this might be a way to duplicate the silk shag lining of Sir Ralph Verney's coat, pictured in Janet Arnold's, "Patterns of Fashion: The cut and construction of clothes for men and women, c1560-1620" , on page 38. But, like I said I also vaguely remember a garment completely constructed, or partially constructed using an oriental rug. If anyone can help narrow that memory down I'll deeply appreciate it. (Or confirm it's a hallucination from college) By the way, this is hand hooking so there's no nasty rubber backing so that's not an issue. Thanks everyone, Bob Dorr (Robert of Stonemarche) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 25 23:11:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q3BuJ9011196 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q3BH4d008892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q3BB43030812; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q3B943030788 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0AfM-0001LS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:11:08 -0700 Message-ID: <412D54CC.4040309@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:11:08 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabric Ididn't know? References: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Audrey, you were so right! Thank you. Anyone that knows me, knows that I am spatially challenged. I was able to match things up and only lose 6 or so inches on each connection. I am amazed that you can see this with a few pictures. You cannot imagine how hard it is for me to see these things. I guess it is "fabric pattern dyslexia". Thanks so much. You have helped me greatly. Sg Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >If you move one of the pieces up for a half design, then you'll be able to >match up the edges with what I estimate to be between 1 and 2 inches seam >allowance. I think your problem right now is that where you made your cut, >you end up in between designs. Of course, if you were to move one of the >pieces up, your edges wouldn't line up anymore. > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 00:30:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q4UIfN011545 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:30:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q4TI4d014535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q4TE43066828; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q4TC43066807 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0Bsu-0005zW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:29:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c48aa2$06868230$5f5c14d0@computername> References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E75A6551@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> <200408242356.30856.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000b01c48aa2$06868230$5f5c14d0@computername> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:15:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: more on t-tunic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:49 AM -0400 8/25/04, Home Ec wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 August 2004 9:15 am, Lena Strid wrote: >> > Or maybe you walk differently? I tend to take rather large steps, and my >> > full-length dresses can get between my legs when walking. >> >> Hard to say. I take big steps myself, but my legs are kinda on the short >side >> even for my lack of size. :-) > >This happens to me, which is why I hate front gores. I take long steps, but >I have long legs - almost all of my 5'7 1/2" height is in my legs. >But I actually thought it was because I have a lot of room between my legs, >and this is reflected in the room between them when I take steps. I >remember conversations at Pennsic about "thigh chaffing" , and my puzzlement >about what people were talking about. And now, in my 40s, my teeth grinding >now that my thighs actually do touch. But the fabric still ends up between >my lower legs when I walk, unless I actually hold it to the side. >So my theory is that it is more in how you walk. Quite possibly. I know that in the same conditions when I'm wearing medieval gowns, I also tend to be wearing relatively thin-soled medieval shoes. This means that I tend to use a shorter, more toe-first stride to avoid stepping irrevocably onto painful stones and whatnot. So the problem is less likely to arise. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 02:06:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q66V4o013194 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q65o4d021197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q65d43007777; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav9.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q65a43007732 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:05:26 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav9.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:00:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412AAD05.5080002@earthlink.net> <412D54CC.4040309@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this something new about upholstery/drapery fabricIdidn't know? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:00:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 06:05:26.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE864FC0:01C48B32] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I think Teddy said the same thing, but in different words, so I'm not the only person who saw it in the picture. But I'm glad I was able to help :-) > Dear Audrey, you were so right! Thank you. Anyone that knows me, > knows that I am spatially challenged. I was able to match things up and > only lose 6 or so inches on each connection. I am amazed that you can > see this with a few pictures. You cannot imagine how hard it is for me > to see these things. I guess it is "fabric pattern dyslexia". Thanks > so much. You have helped me greatly. > > Sg > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > >If you move one of the pieces up for a half design, then you'll be able to > >match up the edges with what I estimate to be between 1 and 2 inches seam > >allowance. I think your problem right now is that where you made your cut, > >you end up in between designs. Of course, if you were to move one of the > >pieces up, your edges wouldn't line up anymore. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 03:44:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q7iiiU008073 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:44:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q7hp4d026102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q7hE43049231; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q7hA43049151 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.6.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.6] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7Q7gY3E018590 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:42:52 +1000 Message-ID: <000901c48b40$3705a0a0$0692d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com><200408212319.08889.cathy@thyrsus.com> <41288160.30009@thibault.org> Subject: Re: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:23:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Understood. I sent the URL I did, though, because Stuart's original request >was for something fairly authentic, not necessarily basic. > >And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. I've >done the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and the more >complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't think >there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of course the >more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a method is that >it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and Cynthia's method >does that.... Well, Cynthia's site is good and it was the first one I know of to actually offer an alternative to 'draw a T shape on your fabric and sew it together up the sides' Kass McGann's http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html or Maggie Forrest's http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/ sites offer almost the same pattern but with a diagram for laying out the pieces. Cynthia's site is really fabulous for the later stuff and that's usually the first site I will point people to if they say they are interested in Houpelandes. However for a basic tunic the other two provide just that little bit more information. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 03:46:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q7kHSC008283 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:46:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q7ig4d026154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q7iV43049736; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q7hA43049206 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.6.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.6] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7Q7gY3G018590 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:43:03 +1000 Message-ID: <000a01c48b40$3d8969c0$0692d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Woven tunics, (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:16:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The two-seam construction strikes me as counterintuitive for poorer > families, as a method using pieced geometric shapes (rectangular body, > rectangular sleeves, underarm gussets, gores) is not only more durable, > but also more economical of fabric. I have a feeling I heard a reference to Byzantine (?) tunics being woven in a tunic shape on warp weighted looms. I don't know about it being accessible to the poor but I'm almost certain somebody had a reference to tunics being woven rather than cut from a rectangular piece of fabric. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 04:03:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q82xik014429 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:02:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82B4d027021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82543056329; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82243056293 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6C616CCC for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825232603.02aa28f8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:32:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? In-Reply-To: <002b01c48b12$b88c6f60$0201a8c0@domain> References: <200408241505.i7OF5744026486@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bob, I am not sure if this is what you are talking about, but you can weave strips of raw wool, for example, into your fabric while weaving in plain weave. You can also do that using a Navajo loom, like I have, where it is more a tapestry weave. I have this very thing still hanging around on my old Navajo loom, that I was going to make a shag rug in ages past. It isn't all shaggy, just like every four rows the hank of raw wool is woven into place across the weave. I thought of using that technique when I saw the outfit you mentioned, but first thought of using the technique for making a shaggy Irish brat. I just wanted to make the rug first, and well... it never got completed, and now needs to be completely restrung before I can even think of continuing. I am not much into rug hooking, but it is similar to what I mentioned above, so it should work as well. Might want to full the wool a bit at the base, so it doesn't come out from use. hth, Kimiko At 10:16 PM 8/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >This is an odd question I know. Sorry about that. But I have vague, >undefined memories of a Folkwear pattern that used carpet. I don't recall if >it's the Hungarian Szur (my favorite coat) or The Tibetan Panel coat, or if >it's something I saw online, in a movie, in a book, or completely >hallucinated ;) > >I've recently discovered the joys of punch-hooking rugs, and figured out >that this might be a way to duplicate the silk shag lining of Sir Ralph >Verney's coat, pictured in Janet Arnold's, "Patterns of Fashion: The cut and >construction of clothes for men and women, c1560-1620" , on page 38. > >But, like I said I also vaguely remember a garment completely constructed, >or partially constructed using an oriental rug. If anyone can help narrow >that memory down I'll deeply appreciate it. (Or confirm it's a hallucination >from college) > >By the way, this is hand hooking so there's no nasty rubber backing so >that's not an issue. > >Thanks everyone, >Bob Dorr (Robert of Stonemarche) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 04:03:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q836xj014472 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82P4d027048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82N43056466; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82343056301 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB9716F30 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825235947.00b0f7f8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:04:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:54 AM 8/24/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Glenda. > >Heck, I wear white makeup and RED lippy with my early 17th century clothing >for formal events! It doesn't look even remotely good in any way to my eyes >(or worse still, to those who are around me!), and it makes my teeth look >really yellow! But that's what was popular, so I do it. Funny, I'm a slave >to reenactment fashions, but not at all in my everyday wear, unless it's >convenient for my taste or body type. Glenda, What do you use for your white makeup? The pancake stuff I have found at a local theatre store just made me break out in nasty blotches, so while I want to do appropriate makeup, I need to find something that won't make me regret it after a long hot afternoon. And I agree about being a slave to re-enactment fashions, but not modern ones. Perhaps because we can chose what history to be a slave to, and hate the constantly changing fashions of today. My pet peeve is the pants below the crotch for young men, eeek, who thought of that one? Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 04:03:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q83EUI014507 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:03:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82e4d027073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82c43056564; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q82443056320 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA1316CCC for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826001101.02aabe90@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: non-family tartans In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20040812173013.0157e860@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:23 PM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >The bulk of the tartan >setts that are registered for clans are usually an ordered thing or handled >by Scottish shops so if you find it in a fabric store your pretty safe that >it won't be a registered sett. Hi Molly, I am going over older mail, as I have been away from my computer for a bit, so sorry this is a late reply. As to the regular fabric store not having a registered sett, well not always true. We used to get a registered MacLeod sett from our local Hancocks fabric store, and we could order it by the bolt. It wasn't the main MacLeod sett, but a variant sett, but still registered and found in a MacLeod book of setts (I don't remember the specific name ... MacLeod of Skye is what I am thinking it was called). It looked just like the regular MacLeod sett, other than it switched the small red and yellow stripes. We used to frequent the fabric stores to find wools suitable for kilts and other uses, so we found various different sorts. "Common" clan sets can sometimes be found, from Gunn, to the very loud Buchannon set (I think that was it, very bright and bold set of colors. I know it in a heartbeat). Blackwatch is commonly found, as is the favorite Royal Stuart/Stewart sett, the bright red one. The thing is, not all these are found in wool. Most often, it is in flannel or cotton twills, sometimes in Christmas taffetta. Or the wool is a blend, not 100% wool. But they can be found, which may or may not be a good thing, depending on your POV. I personally was rather happy to not have to pay $50/yd for a MacLeod sett in a wool, which my husband did to get that bright yellow MacLeod sett, the one we called the "Loud MacLeod." Kimiko Former Scottish re-enactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 04:57:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7Q8v1Z7030530 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q8tZ4d029241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q8st43077545; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.fuse.net (mail-out2.fuse.net [216.68.8.175]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7Q8sq43077483 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([66.42.216.220]) by smtp2.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040826085446.YJEU9267.smtp2.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:54:46 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.42.216.220]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20040826085428.JLXS11110.gx6.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:54:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040826044129.00b02330@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:46:53 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825232603.02aa28f8@64.87.54.245> References: <002b01c48b12$b88c6f60$0201a8c0@domain> <200408241505.i7OF5744026486@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bob, Below is a link for a szur. The szur is traditionally made from felted wool. I think what Kimiko is describing is a gupta. This is a woven cloak worn by Hungarian shepherds. It looks like a very shaggy sheeps skin, or like you are wearing a LONG shag carpet. The Hungarian Heritage Museum in Cleveland does have one, but they do not have a picture of it on their website. http://www.jcu.edu/language/hunghe3d.htm Jennifer At 11:32 PM 8/25/04 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > >I am not sure if this is what you are talking about, but you can weave >strips of raw wool, for example, into your fabric while weaving in plain >weave. You can also do that using a Navajo loom, like I have, where it is >more a tapestry weave. I have this very thing still hanging around on my >old Navajo loom, that I was going to make a shag rug in ages past. It >isn't all shaggy, just like every four rows the hank of raw wool is woven >into place across the weave. > >I thought of using that technique when I saw the outfit you mentioned, but >first thought of using the technique for making a shaggy Irish brat. I >just wanted to make the rug first, and well... it never got completed, and >now needs to be completely restrung before I can even think of continuing. > >I am not much into rug hooking, but it is similar to what I mentioned >above, so it should work as well. Might want to full the wool a bit at the >base, so it doesn't come out from use. > >hth, > >Kimiko > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 06:32:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QAWjlE012305 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QAW54d005248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QAVU43018061; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QAVR43018013 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:31:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:30:05 +0100 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40192C398C@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? Thread-Index: AcSLQ9c1rlV4MyrgSyKTN91xFsO7FAAE4S2g content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > But, like I said I also vaguely remember a garment completely > constructed, or partially constructed using an oriental rug. > If anyone can help narrow that memory down I'll deeply > appreciate it. (Or confirm it's a hallucination from college) Here in England, there were a few carpetr company adverts a few years back featuring a coat and a gown made from patterned carpets - one of the carpet shops near one of my occasional workplaces still has a display with a picture of one of them. Don't know if the same pictures were used in the U.S. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 06:48:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QAm8YR012376 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:48:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QAgM5d005826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QAYC43019121; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.compassnet.com.au [203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QAY944019030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendar@compassnet.com.au) Received: from mail (root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/linuxconf) with SMTP id i7QAf47E025552 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:41:04 +1000 Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.139]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/linuxconf) with SMTP id i7QAf2e5025535 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:41:03 +1000 Message-ID: <0d0c01c48b57$bddcdb40$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825235947.00b0f7f8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:30:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, I ended up getting mine from a specialty theatrical supply in the inner suburbs of Sydney, Aust. My husband didn't work far from them at the time. I'm not sure what a pancake makeup is, but this one goes on nicely, and fairly thickly, but after a few hours it runs into the creases and starts looking a bit out-of-sorts - very similar to what I've read about the lady's makeup from those times - needing constant powdering/touching up to stay fresh up-close. Just went up the other end of the house and found it - it's by The Research Council of Make-up Artists in NYC (New York City, I presume). My colour is Porcelain in Colour Process Foundation which does nicely when powdered with talc. This was about 6 years ago. I don't have a huge amount of skin sensitivities, so I don't know how it goes there. Re the fashions: I quite like the not-quite-waist-band style of pants/trousers that are 'in' now. I have a low waist, so these fit rather well on me. The high waistbands sometimes end up grinding on my ribs, especially in jeans. As a medium-statured person I like the shorter shirt look, as on me it looks normal - the earlier fashions ended up with the t-shirts ending up as low as the crotch. This was OK while I had something to hide in the waist, but I don't have that problem so much anymore, except for the saggy skin! Serves me right for losing weight at 39 :-) Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- > > Glenda, > > What do you use for your white makeup? The pancake stuff I have found at a > local theatre store just made me break out in nasty blotches, so while I > want to do appropriate makeup, I need to find something that won't make me > regret it after a long hot afternoon. > > And I agree about being a slave to re-enactment fashions, but not modern > ones. Perhaps because we can chose what history to be a slave to, and hate > the constantly changing fashions of today. My pet peeve is the pants below > the crotch for young men, eeek, who thought of that one? > > Thanks, > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 07:43:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QBhYmI012589 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:43:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QBfR4d011212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QBeo43047520; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QBej43047447 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29698 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:46:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:46:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Woven tunics, (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness) In-Reply-To: <000a01c48b40$3d8969c0$0692d6cb@ewalpole> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > The two-seam construction strikes me as counterintuitive for poorer > > families, as a method using pieced geometric shapes (rectangular body, > > rectangular sleeves, underarm gussets, gores) is not only more durable, > > but also more economical of fabric. > > I have a feeling I heard a reference to Byzantine (?) tunics being > woven in a tunic shape on warp weighted looms. I don't know about it > being accessible to the poor but I'm almost certain somebody had a > reference to tunics being woven rather than cut from a rectangular > piece of fabric. No argument about that. My comment above was solely in response to a comment about the "lay down on a piece of cloth, trace around yourself, cut, and sew two seams" method being something that would have been used by the poor. It strikes me that if you're working with a length of cloth that you are going to cut, there are more logical and durable approaches, plus there's the issue of cloth width. Weaving to shape is a third option, and I know it was done in some places/times, but I wouldn't be able to tell you where or when. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 09:05:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QD5Pxj013066 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:05:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QD4g4d016972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QD3U43083138; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7QD2v43082881 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-2067); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:59:59 -0700 Received: from unknown (66.205.128.64) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:59:59 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20040826055842.011d3038@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:02:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825235947.00b0f7f8@64.87.54.245> References: <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=66.205.128.64 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:04 AM 8/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:54 AM 8/24/2004 +1000, you wrote: >>Glenda. >> >>Heck, I wear white makeup and RED lippy with my early 17th century clothing >>for formal events! It doesn't look even remotely good in any way to my eyes >>(or worse still, to those who are around me!), and it makes my teeth look >>really yellow! But that's what was popular, so I do it. Funny, I'm a slave >>to reenactment fashions, but not at all in my everyday wear, unless it's >>convenient for my taste or body type. > > >Glenda, > >What do you use for your white makeup? The pancake stuff I have found at a >local theatre store just made me break out in nasty blotches, so while I >want to do appropriate makeup, I need to find something that won't make me >regret it after a long hot afternoon. > >And I agree about being a slave to re-enactment fashions, but not modern >ones. Perhaps because we can chose what history to be a slave to, and hate >the constantly changing fashions of today. My pet peeve is the pants below >the crotch for young men, eeek, who thought of that one? > >Thanks, > >Kimiko I'm not Glenda, but I use Dermablend makeup when I dress in Elizabethan garb. I simply went for one shade lighter than my natural complexion. Dermablend is the only makeup I have found that I do not sweat off (I 'glow' like a horse, if you remember the Victorian saying); the sweat actually comes through the makeup and can be gently patted off with a handkerchief without lifting the makeup. I don't need to touch up my makeup at all during the day. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 09:17:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QDH2LX013172 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDGK4d017805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:16:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDF443088530; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDF043088461 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7QDpJ5c047587 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7QDpI1n047586 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408261351.i7QDpI1n047586@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] seams, seam finishes, and hems In-Reply-To: <200408241423.i7OENjsI025514@sabre.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Found the URL I was looking for! http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/archaeological_sewing.html Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 09:32:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QDWLaM013267 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:32:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDVg4d018941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDUV43096425; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7QDUT43096349 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAU53P9ARS982J for (sender ); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26421 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 13:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.64.207) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 13:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <005101c48b70$a1f6f190$cf40bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408261351.i7QDpI1n047586@sabre.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:28:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2306050081 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofMZd8pPka30hxDa7fQnnsyPLUeLu4vS0w X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] early embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather Rose you have such a broad knowledge base, any suggestions for bronze or iron age embroidery stitches? My interest is celtic/protoceltic culture, but I find the time period fascinating regardless of the locale. Susy Scathac _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 09:37:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QDb9cN013291 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:37:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDaP4d019275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDZC43098648; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDZB43098597 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.cf.150c5a54 (4004) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:34:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:34:57 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/26/2004 2:02:51 AM Mountain Daylight Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: My pet peeve is the pants below the crotch for young men, eeek, who thought of that one? Rumor is it grew out of the Hip Hop style which derived from prison garb. The prisoners' belts were confiscated, causing their pants to "sag". Same with the buzz style hair cuts. Now it's become a fashion statement. So much with the theory that fashion is created by the upper class. Cheryl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 09:55:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QDtsGI013380 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:55:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDtB4d021278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QDrx43010418; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53008.mail.yahoo.com (web53008.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.198]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7QDpY43008337 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aureliarufinia@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040826135129.53693.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [18.152.7.245] by web53008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:51:29 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Aurelia Rufinia To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: t-tunic cut (Byzantine) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't comment on the type of loom (I honestly don't know) but yes, Early Byzantine, Roman and Coptic tunics were generally woven to shape, often with the trim woven directly into the design. Extant Examples: http://www.gryph.com/byzantine/tunica1.htm http://www.gryph.com/byzantine/tunica2.htm (There are more, y'all get the idea.) While weaving my Byzantine from Hell project would have been fun and all, I have neither the time, money nor space for a loom. But I did finish the beading last night, so now I can actually start sewing! Aurelia ============ I have a feeling I heard a reference to Byzantine (?) tunics being woven in a tunic shape on warp weighted looms. I don't know about it being accessible to the poor but I'm almost certain somebody had a reference to tunics being woven rather than cut from a rectangular piece of fabric. Elizabeth ===== Baroness Aurelia Rufinia House Iron Maiden, Barony of Carolingia, East Kingdom, Northshield Ex-Pat "27 lawyers in the room, anyone know "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc"? Josh?" "Post - after, after hoc, ergo - therefore, "After hoc, therefore" something else hoc." "Thank you. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 10:40:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QEeVIL013599 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QEdr4d026052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QEcd43038605; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QEca43038532 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1db.29fb34aa (3699) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.29fb34aa.2e5f4fe3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:38:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No but the hip hop style like that is very expensive. Labels are very important and are a point of status, they may have started from poor roots but now to keep up appearances you have to have the baggy pant made by tommy hilfiger etc.... So money is still akey factor in that style. I have this useless clothing theory. The cost of the clothing is driectly tied into how useless it is. Look at 18th century wigs and pocket hoops. Hoops skirts... Courture clothing and hips hop style with its over sized clothing etc. Betty Adorno A.K.A Pandora the Faerie Faeries, Ink. http://www.faeriesink.fws1.com 919-606-7457 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 10:48:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QEmIZG013657 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:48:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QElU4d026988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QElI43044384; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51405.mail.yahoo.com (web51405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.184]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7QElG43044298 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.240.36.126] by web51405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:47:10 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wool fabric sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, Does anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, ~Angelique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 11:01:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QF12ro013725 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:01:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QF0D4d028483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QEx143051844; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:59:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav23.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.80]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QEwv43051750 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:58:50 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav23.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:58:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:58:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 14:58:50.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[323232E0:01C48B7D] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO www.fabric.com received a bunch of wool in different weaves and weights, might be worth checking out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "~Angelique" Subject: [h-cost] wool fabric sources > Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, Does anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, ~Angelique _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 11:39:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QFdlWI013971 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QFcs4d003252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QFco43079957; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QFcl43079832 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.6b.31d76dcf (3874) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.31d76dcf.2e5f5dfd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:38:37 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/26/2004 9:36:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cheryldee@aol.com writes: So much with the theory that fashion is created by the upper class. Actually, sociologist Georg Simmel, who is generally credited with the "trickle down" theory, made the point in his article that fashions also arise among the "demi-mondaine"--I think he was referrring to prostitutes and other shady characters. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 11:54:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QFs8kT014083 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:54:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QFrZ4d005164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QFrU43091362; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QFrQ43091261 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.88.12b49ea4 (16335) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <88.12b49ea4.2e5f6169@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:53:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO a chance to be sleazy and bad a** without actually living the lifestyle. A chance to look that part. that make lot of sense as well. Betty Adorno A.K.A Pandora the Faerie Faeries, Ink. http://www.faeriesink.fws1.com 919-606-7457 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 13:03:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QH3HLv014486 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:03:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QH2V4d013697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QH2L43044901; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QH2243044679 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2inikb0.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.81.96] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0NdK-00007M-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:01:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> References: <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:01:32 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: fastusminimus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: shaggy brats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 2:03 AM -0600 8/26/04, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >old Navajo loom, that I was going to make a shag rug in ages past. It isn't >all shaggy, just like every four rows the hank of raw wool is woven into >place across the weave. > >I thought of using that technique when I saw the outfit you mentioned, but >first thought of using the technique for making a shaggy Irish brat. I just >wanted to make the rug first, and well... it never got completed, and now >needs to be completely restrung before I can even think of continuing. It works *really* well especially if you use a 'primitive' double coated fleece. Separate the hard outer coat and use the soft downy under coat for the main weft. Every couple of shots tie the locks in using your fav rug knot (why fav? because you will be tying a LOT of them!) It takes about a week to prep and weave a medium sized one. Then gently full it (I used ye olde washing machine...) and it is warm and durable. In the winter the static electricity makes the individual fibers separate and fluff--it's a unique look. TA Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 13:24:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QHO59q014613 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:24:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHNS4d015829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHNR43061715; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHNJ43061522 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.cd.1506c9bb (25305) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/26/2004 8:40:37 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Faeriegirl1972@aol.com writes: No but the hip hop style like that is very expensive. Labels are very important and are a point of status, they may have started from poor roots but now to keep up appearances you have to have the baggy pant made by tommy hilfiger etc.... So money is still akey factor in that style. The fashion industry is very quick to adopt styles from the "fringe" and make them into fashion. See punk, fetishwear, unisex, etc. Once it has become fashion and expensive, adopted by the mainstream, the "fringe" is left to find a new style. Phat farm, Hilfiger, etc. are only serving to goad the dispossessed into finding new styles. What interests me in "fashion" right now is the Japanese youth street fashion trend and how it is being scouted by Gap, etc. in an attempt to make it expensive and "trendy" here. And fashion forecasters who are paid a great deal of money to guess what the next fad will be are scouting the streets of Tokyo. There is even a series of Bratz dolls, male and female being marketed called Tokyo something in order to educate pre-teens into what is "cool". Cheryl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 13:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QHPSLO014626 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:25:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHJY4d015368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHJW43058548; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7QHJT43058491 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28150 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 17:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 17:20:23 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1073.24.4.69.40.1093540768.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, Does > anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, ~Angelique Angelique, My website has some wools that might work for you. Here is the URL: http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/products.php?int_type_id=4 They are mostly $10/yd. I also have some wools on order that are a nice lightweight but are more in the $13/yd range. But they are also 60" wide and 100% wool. The colors are blue, oatmeal, cinnamon, seafoam, and lilac. I know from my suppliers that wool prices are on the rise and may cost more by the end of the year. I am trying to only buy wools when they are good prices but that doesn't always happen. Let me know if you are interested in any colors that I have and how much you might need. I don't think that there is enough of the green herringbone to do a Tudor. But I think that there should be enough of any of the other colors. I would recommend the Ash Brown wool. It is such a different yet lovely color. Diana Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 13:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QHeO7e014697 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:40:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHdh4d017885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHdf43075476; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QHcn43074727 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-70-56.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.56]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7QHcoEV014523 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:38:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040826102734.01580740@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:28:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch In-Reply-To: <1db.29fb34aa.2e5f4fe3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I have this useless >clothing theory. The cost of the clothing is driectly tied into how useless >it >is. Look at 18th century wigs and pocket hoops. Hoops skirts... Courture >clothing and hips hop style with its over sized clothing etc. I disagree - think work boots, like by Redwing, or nurse shoes, like by Red Cross. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 14:03:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QI3NhW014861 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QI2f4d020947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QI2d43095707; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QI0c43093776 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1d5.29d29f5f (4012) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:00:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.29d29f5f.2e5f7f3c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:00:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO i was think the cost of coture the stuff worn for the sake of wearing it. I saying things like designer stuff... Sex in the city style shoes. $500.00 for a pair of heels? I wasn't talking about things such as work boots and such. The cost of high fashion item for the part is tied into how usless it is. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 16:07:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QK7DCC015909 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QK6D4d005131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QK4243089815; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QK3w43089756 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0QTW-0003Pr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <17087610.1093550638297.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7QK3w43089756 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/26/2004 2:02:51 AM Mountain Daylight Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: >My pet peeve is the pants below >the crotch for young men, eeek, who thought of that one? Cheryldee wrote: >Rumor is it grew out of the Hip Hop style which derived from prison garb. >The prisoners' belts were confiscated, causing their pants to "sag". Same with >the buzz style hair cuts. Now it's become a fashion statement. So much with >the theory that fashion is created by the upper class. To the best of my knowledge, the theory goes like this: (1) People out of the mainstream (lower social classes, particular occupations, criminals, or anyone else with "romantic" appeal) begin wearing a particular style of clothing. (2) Witty upper-class people and/or their designers pick up on this trend and "upscale" it, using clothing items in new ways, making them out of different materials, etc. (e.g. silver lamé jeans, silk T-shirts, deliberately "ripped" clothing) (3) NOW it becomes high fashion. So I think it's true both that fashion is _created_ by the "out of mainstream" people, BUT also that turning it from "someone else's clothes" into a FASHION is mostly done by the upper classes. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 16:10:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QKA4HI015922 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:10:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QK9N4d005541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QK8U43093408; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QK8K43093312 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0QXj-00053P-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:19 -0400 Message-ID: <23238965.1093550899813.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just checked and Drea Leed's hilarious article on these pants is still up on her website (though not linked to anything that I can find): http://costume.dm.net/superwides.htm IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a few years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are going to wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 16:21:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QKLVS5016174 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:21:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QKKQ4d006736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QKKF43002507; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QKKB43002363 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.142.320d17a5 (4468) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <142.320d17a5.2e5f9ff3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:20:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just checked and Drea Leed's hilarious article on these pants is still up on her website (though not linked to anything that I can find): http://costume.dm.net/superwides.htm what a great article.. I must share this with my friends. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 16:54:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QKsa9S016883 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:54:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QKrd4d010645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QKrX43027652; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QKpx43026554 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.188] (pm5-188.eos.net [205.133.149.188]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7QKpMAA005278 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:48:11 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408261720.i7QHJt44058864@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: renaissance fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana: I was intrigued by your post about wool and tried to look at your site, but only the top three inches of photos and copy come in! I get the bars with choices (fabric type, era, etc.) and when I press them it seems that something is coming, but all I get is a big empty space. Is this a known problem? Maybe my browser doesn't support whatever you use? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 17:05:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QL5f87017128 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QL4s4d012089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QL4i43036633; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QL4e43036571 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01485 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:10:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:10:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch In-Reply-To: <23238965.1093550899813.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Chris Laning wrote: > IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a > few years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are > going to wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" Never mind future generations -- I'm wondering that already. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 17:13:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QLDoT5017287 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLCL4d013023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLC943042382; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLC343042304 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01557 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:18:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <142.320d17a5.2e5f9ff3@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a little too far: http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this related news article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot princess" or whatever. --Robin *not* about to dress her sons from this site _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 17:20:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QLKd1M017414 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:20:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLJw4d013932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLJH43047419; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLJD43047336 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.129.49cebe9d (4468) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <129.49cebe9d.2e5fadc5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:19:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO i hate those costumes... how aweful of parent are you to dress you child like a pimp or ho its not cute... But i reliezed I was getting older when I started to see 80's costume being advertise in costume catalogs. Betty Adorno A.K.A Pandora the Faerie Faeries, Ink. http://www.faeriesink.fws1.com 919-606-7457 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 17:28:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QLSLZc017589 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:28:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLRe4d014679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLPq43052402; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QLPb43052094 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1c7.1db61dd5 (4539) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <1c7.1db61dd5.2e5faf47@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:25:27 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5001 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] seams, etc. (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 682) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My great thanks for all the links that answered my question about period seams, seam finishes, and hems. I know my mundane weaving guild will find this information fascinating and hopefully be able to use it as they construct garments from handwoven fabrics. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) "This effervescence that you observe in me is intellectual carbonisation. Spiritual rejoicing. An entirely cerebral scintillation." Josephine Tey, "Daughter of Time" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 18:08:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QM8R5G017880 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:08:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QM7Y4d018600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QM7P43082054; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QM7M43081965 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFC2425D5 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412E5F1A.6000905@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:07:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ~Angelique wrote: > > Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, Does anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, ~Angelique > I'm not sure what the selection will be at your nearest store, but Hancocks is advertising "dress and suit weight wool blends" at 50% off the $4.99 price over Labor Day (Aug 31-Sept6). Halloween patterns will also be $2.99 through September, with the weekend sales bringing them down a dollar or two. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 19:43:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QNhTZO018527 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:43:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QNgQ4d027360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QNgG43041649; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:42:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QNgA43041596 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949AD2A9DB for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:42:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p007.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.9]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B086D451 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:42:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Chris Laning wrote: > IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a > few years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are > going to wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" Never mind future generations -- I'm wondering that already. --Robin Some styles have false top section underwear or the underwear built in that holds the pants up. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 19:57:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7QNvgaL018597 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:57:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QNur4d028677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QNup43049538; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:56:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7QNun43049512 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C462ACA9 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:56:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t3p007.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.9]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C07A9C841 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:56:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Though I would not dress my children as a pimp or ho, the ho outfit looks like a rendition of a flapper. As for the Halloween "period" costumes, My irk is that they call them period costumes and giving the impression of historic authenticity. Otherwise, not bad historic fantasy costumes. There needs to be something that will identify historic fantasy garb. De -----Original Message----- Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a little too far: http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this related news article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot princess" or whatever. --Robin *not* about to dress her sons from this site _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 20:54:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R0s1IY018815 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0rD4d002841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0qv43079222; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0qt43079167 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A44E4D1300EE; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:06 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3F7849008C; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:44:39 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c48bcf$f378fc20$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200408261720.i7QHJt45058864@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:51:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Related Announcements X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I received a few costume related announcement messages this week and was asked to pass the information along. If you are interested please contact the person in the messages. *************************************************************************** EVENT: AUCTION Letter from Karen Augusta: This summer Charles Whitaker and I have been photographing and assembling lots for our fall vintage clothing and textile auction to be held Saturday & Sunday October 23 & 24th in New Hope, PA. We have consignments from the DAR Museum, Fashion Institute of Technology, Wadsworth Atheneum, Fashion Institute of Design & Merchandising, New Bedford Whaling Museum, and North Western College. It has been so much fun cataloguing all these fabulous new to market treasures. We have over 700 lots and still more to catalog. We are very excited about the quality and range of what this two day sale offers. Fantastic textiles, lace, linens, trims, 20th C couture, Bes-Ben hats, great ethnic & tribal pieces, fabric sample books, 1950s printed clothing, 18th & 19th C. clothes and fabrics, etc, etc. In the past few weeks we've posted 5 photo galleries on our auction site, http://www.whitakerauction.com . Keep checking in as many more photos will be added over the next 6 weeks. Also watch the website for a listing of lots to be posted soon. You will be amazed! **************************************************************************** *************************** INDUSTRY SURVEY: The letter below was provided by Dr. Blades at O-Net. I am writing to request your assistance with a valuable program, the Occupational Information Network (O*NET). The program will benefit our membership by collecting current and essential information about the profession of Makeup Artists. We are seeking volunteers to help with this important project. The O*NET Program, sponsored by the United States Department of Labor, is gathering occupational information for a national database that is being used by millions of employers, workers, educators, and students across the country. This database provides information about the knowledge, skills, abilities, and activities of workers in some 900 occupations. We want to make sure that the right information is presented for Makeup Artists. They are asking for volunteers from our membership (or others whom you know) with at least 5 years of experience as Makeup Artists to serve as experts and complete questionnaires about their work. Responses will be strictly confidential and will be combined with all other responses to define the skills, knowledge, and other aspects of work. Each person who agrees to complete the questionnaires will receive $40 and an oak-framed Certificate of Appreciation from the U.S. Department of Labor. If you would like to participate, please contact Dr. Jon Blades at the National Center for O*NET Development and give him your name, telephone number, and a mailing address. His e-mail address is jon.blades@ncmail.net or his phone is (919) 733-2790. **************************************************************************** ************* JOB ANNOUNCEMENT: I am looking for a costume designer in the Chicago area. We are opening a gospel musical review at the Chicago Center for Performing Arts on October 1. We have a cast of 5 with 3 swings and 5 band members. It is contemporary, classy, everyday wear. Please visit our website at www.singhallelujah.com for more information about the show. Please contact Frances Zwick at 513-252-9568 or email: liz_zwick@excite.com if you would be interested or have any suggestions. Thank you. Frances Zwick, Passion Productions. ************************************************************************** Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 20:54:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R0sMQU018818 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0rk4d002885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0rg43079615; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0ra43079551 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m254.in-tch.com [216.166.191.254]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7R0r0W20146 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <412E870C.8000503@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:57:48 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jeesus! That's *disgusting!* --sue, glad to know you have better taste than that, Robin! Robin Netherton wrote: > Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a > little too far: > > http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html > > This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this > related news article: > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 > > OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of > course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot > princess" or whatever. > > --Robin > *not* about to dress her sons from this site _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 21:06:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R16UTa018866 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R1454d003641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R14143085149; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail4.mdx.safepages.com (mail4.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.19]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R13x43085107 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EFC6C26807; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust21.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.21]) by mail4.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D4A126742 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:03:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00e601c48bd1$fbcb0ab0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> <412E5F1A.6000905@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:04:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/ has a great selection of wools, and natural fiber wool blends (like wool/silk and wool/linen). Also, http://www.trimfabric.com also has some great deals on wool. They have a new website, and I haven't looked through it that thoroughly yet, but if you can find a section of clearance fabric lots, there tend to be some amazing finds. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 21:53:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R1rwCW019015 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:53:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R1qB4d007566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R1q843009457; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R1q544009427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7R1t492002058 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:55:04 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:00:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408262200.47851.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "~Angelique" > Subject: [h-cost] wool fabric sources > > > Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, Does > anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, ~Angelique Depends upon where your level of "breaking the bank" is. www.trimfabric.com has some nice looking wools, but their prices average around $15-$18 a yard. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 22:27:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R2RaP2019308 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R2Ph4d009933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R2PV43025614; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R2PG44025509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7R2SEJw003156 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:28:14 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:33:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <23238965.1093550899813.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <23238965.1093550899813.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408262233.58544.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 26 August 2004 4:08 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > I just checked and Drea Leed's hilarious article on these pants is still up > on her website (though not linked to anything that I can find): > > http://costume.dm.net/superwides.htm I had never read that article before! Chris, thank you! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 22:35:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R2ZsQ3019657 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:35:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R2VN4d010274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R2VK43028786; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R2VH44028759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7R2YFWp003375 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:34:16 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:39:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040822023341.3127.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> <41288160.30009@thibault.org> <000901c48b40$3705a0a0$0692d6cb@ewalpole> In-Reply-To: <000901c48b40$3705a0a0$0692d6cb@ewalpole> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408262239.59705.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 25 August 2004 7:23 am, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: Actually, I wrote it (Cathy Raymond). Gets darn hard to keep track of who said what in long-running threads, doesn't it? :-) > >Understood. I sent the URL I did, though, because Stuart's original >> request was for something fairly authentic, not necessarily basic. > > > >And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. > > I'vedone the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and > > the more complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't > >think there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of > > course the > >more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a method is > > that it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and Cynthia's > > method does that.... > > Well, Cynthia's site is good and it was the first one I know of to actually > offer an alternative to 'draw a T shape on your fabric and sew it together > up the sides' Kass McGann's > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html or Maggie > Forrest's http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/ sites offer almost the same > pattern but with a diagram for laying out the pieces. So it does. But I like Cynthia's explicit "take your measurements and plug them in here and here and the result is what size to cut each piece" approach. Kass's directions yield the same result but are stated much more compactly. > Cynthia's site is > really fabulous for the later stuff and that's usually the first site I > will point people to if they say they are interested in Houpelandes. > However for a basic tunic the other two provide just that little bit more > information. I don't know if I agree with that, but I can see that some people would find Kass's approach (for example) easier to understand and thus less intimidating than Cynthia's. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 23:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R3LMtt019929 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:21:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3Kh4d013802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3KZ43054249; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3KX43054213 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958BE5CFAA for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826200026.02a20478@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:01:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch In-Reply-To: References: <142.320d17a5.2e5f9ff3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:18 PM 8/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--Robin >*not* about to dress her sons from this site Those "costumes" were just tasteless, imnsho. Thanks for sharing the links, and I fully agree with you. My son will never be put into such a costume. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 23:21:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R3LmHx019932 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:21:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3LB4d013832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3LB43054534; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3KX43054220 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B965E2EB for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826201622.02b78dc0@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:17:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources In-Reply-To: <00e601c48bd1$fbcb0ab0$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> <412E5F1A.6000905@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:04 PM 8/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.trimfabric.com also has some great deals on wool. They have a new >website, and I haven't looked through it that thoroughly yet, but if you can >find a section of clearance fabric lots, there tend to be some amazing >finds. Thanks for posting this site. I am drooling over many of the fabrics. Mantra to self, Have to save money for the patio pavers... Have to save money for the patio pavers... Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 23:27:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R3RhpI019955 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3R64d014251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3R443057482; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3R143057462 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E05F83A for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826202357.02b3d878@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:27:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shaggy brats In-Reply-To: References: <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> <200408260803.i7Q82l45056622@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >It works *really* well especially if you use a 'primitive' double coated >fleece. Separate the hard outer coat and use the soft downy under coat for >the main weft. Every couple of shots tie the locks in using your fav rug >knot (why fav? because you will be tying a LOT of them!) >It takes about a week to prep and weave a medium sized one. Then gently >full it (I used ye olde washing machine...) and it is warm and durable. In >the winter the static electricity makes the individual fibers separate and >fluff--it's a unique look. >TA >Carol >-- >Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! Thanks Carol, While it may be awhile before I pull out the loom (toddler would have a field day), I do have some double coated fleece around in a basket somewhere that I can maybe make a sampler with on a small hand loom. You mention separating the two coats, so I presume you use the hard coat for the insert? I want to make sure and not just make a presumption. Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 23:29:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R3Td98019967 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3T14d014347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3T043058418; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail3.mdx.safepages.com (mail3.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3Sx43058388 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail3.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 808DF89073; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:28:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust21.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.21]) by mail3.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 78BF089050 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:28:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00f101c48be6$418f5d30$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> <200408262200.47851.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been looking through the new (and horribly slow-loading) TrimFabric website and to my deep disappointment, they seem to have discontinued their fabric lots section! They used to have tons of very nice quality wools there from $6-$8/yd in large pieces. WAH. Their by-the-bolt section is still worth looking through, however. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 23:39:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R3dXix020056 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:39:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3cr4d014969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3cp43063579; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3cj43063520 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE4A34736 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826202801.02b3d878@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:33:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20040826055842.011d3038@pop.surewest.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825235947.00b0f7f8@64.87.54.245> <071901c4897d$3e8a8800$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:02 AM 8/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I'm not Glenda, but I use Dermablend makeup when I dress in Elizabethan >garb. I simply went for one shade lighter than my natural >complexion. Dermablend is the only makeup I have found that I do not >sweat off (I 'glow' like a horse, if you remember the Victorian saying); >the sweat actually comes through the makeup and can be gently patted off >with a handkerchief without lifting the makeup. I don't need to touch up >my makeup at all during the day. > >Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] >aka Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net Thanks Joan for the tip. I guess I will actually do the unusual, and go buy some makeup (I normally hate wearing it). Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 26 23:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R3gAwl020072 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3d34d014989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3d243063729; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R3ck43063528 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE1634746 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826203736.00b11440@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:38:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch In-Reply-To: <23238965.1093550899813.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earth link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Chris for sharing the link. I enjoyed a good laugh. Kimiko At 04:08 PM 8/26/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I just checked and Drea Leed's hilarious article on these pants is still >up on her website (though not linked to anything that I can find): > >http://costume.dm.net/superwides.htm > >IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a few >years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are going to >wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" > >____________________________________________________________ >0 Chris Laning >| >+ Davis, California _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 01:40:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R5ew6Z020634 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5eD4d023009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5e843022106; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7R5e443022060 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 23315 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 05:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 05:40:57 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1041.24.4.69.40.1093585203.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: References: <200408261720.i7QHJt44058864@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: renaissance fabrics From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Diana: > > I was intrigued by your post about wool and tried to look at your site, > but > only the top three inches of photos and copy come in! I get the bars with > choices (fabric type, era, etc.) and when I press them it seems that > something is coming, but all I get is a big empty space. Is this a known > problem? Maybe my browser doesn't support whatever you use? > > Gail Finke Thank you for letting me know that you had a problem. I am very sorry and I will talk to my web person and let him know. I had to change designers after the site was originally set up due to lack of support with these kinds of issues. I use Internet Explorer and it seems to work okay in that browser. If you have the ability, please try again using IE. And again, I am sorry for the problem but I will hopefully have it fixed soon! Diana Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 01:46:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R5ku9b020654 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:46:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5kD4d023353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5k443024660; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7R5k143024634 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 23950 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 05:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 05:46:55 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1048.24.4.69.40.1093585560.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <412E5F1A.6000905@reddawn.net> References: <20040826144710.65380.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> <412E5F1A.6000905@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ~Angelique wrote: > >> >> Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, >> Does anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, >> ~Angelique >> > > I'm not sure what the selection will be at your nearest store, but > Hancocks is advertising "dress and suit weight wool blends" at 50% off > the $4.99 price over Labor Day (Aug 31-Sept6). My two cents about wool blends....be wary of those that have nylon in them. Nylon shrinks horribly and I had the experience of washing such a wool that started out medium weight and ended up with a piece of wool so thick that I couldn't make a darn thing with it. Wool & polyester are okay together but just say "no" to nylon! Diana Diana Habra www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 01:58:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R5wIq5020710 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:58:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5vb4d023858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5vZ43029646; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5vV43029617 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0Zju-0004iP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:57:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005101c48b70$a1f6f190$cf40bc3f@susyhp> References: <200408261351.i7QDpI1n047586@sabre.goldsword.com> <005101c48b70$a1f6f190$cf40bc3f@susyhp> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:31:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] early embroidery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7R5vV43029617 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:28 AM -0400 8/26/04, Susy wrote: >Heather Rose >you have such a broad knowledge base, any suggestions for bronze or iron age >embroidery stitches? > >My interest is celtic/protoceltic culture, but I find the time period >fascinating regardless of the locale. There's some decorative threadwork on a couple of the textiles from the bronze age Hohmichele IV grave done in silk on wool -- the technique could be created by needlework, but if I'm remembering correctly, I think it was most likely done with a weaving technique. It's one of the comparative pieces covered in: Banck-Burgess, Johanna. 1999. Hochdorf IV: Die Textilfunde aus dem späthallstattzeitlichen Fürstengrab von Eberdingen-Hochdorf (Kreis Ludwigsburg) und weitere Grabtextilien aus Hallstatt- und latčnezeitlichen Kulturgruppen. Konrad Theiss Verlag, Stuttgart. ISBN 3-8062-1453-0 There are several varieties of decorative needlework on the Danish bronze age textiles, although these fall outside the "Celtic region" proper. Due to the staining effect of the burial conditions, colors are pretty much impossible to reconstruct, but most of the techniques would be perfectly lovely even simply as texture effects. I think all the needlework I'm remembering occurs on women's tops and includes rows of decorative stitching (one using something like a stem stitch, another rows of blanket stitch), and in one case a large expanse on the upper part of the sleeves for which I'll just point you to: Hald, Margrethe. 1980. Ancient Danish Textiles from Bogs and Burials. Nat. Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen. ISBN 87-480-0312-3 Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 01:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R5wRIL020713 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5vq4d023885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5vq43029744; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R5vX43029634 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-101-147-93.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.147.93] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0Zjw-0004iP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:57:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:39:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 4:10 PM -0500 8/26/04, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Chris Laning wrote: > >> IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a >> few years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are >> going to wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" > >Never mind future generations -- I'm wondering that already. My personal observation is that the answer is, "They don't always." I've been amused on any number of occasions to see a fashionable young man surreptitiously hiking his pants up as they escaped their proper location at mid butt-crack to fall towards mid-thigh. I've heard all the explanations for the style, but it still takes all my self control to avoid bursting into laughter when encountering one of the extreme versions. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 02:21:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R6LuO5028183 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6LH4d025013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6LB43040935; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6L944040920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:21:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7R6JkTA022972 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:19:46 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <412ED2D2.5040108@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:21:06 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pimp costume was: Street-to-fashion References: <142.320d17a5.2e5f9ff3@aol.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040826200026.02a20478@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826200026.02a20478@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Those "costumes" were just tasteless, imnsho. Thanks for sharing the > links, and I fully agree with you. My son will never be put into such a > costume. Devil's advocate here: some of the costumes (and characters) we do use are no less reprehensible, they're softened with age and familiarity. I doubt an Elizabethan woman would have dressed her son as a pirate, or her daughter as a dishonored maiden (Snow White: a story in which the prince didn't kiss her to get that apple out of her mouth, until Bowdlerized by the Grimms.) The 60s "pimp" is far away enough in time for some people (clearly) to consider it not a threat any longer, and instead, quaint. Like a pirate. I wouldn't buy it either, but it is amusing that we're discussing a historical costume instead of historical costuming. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 02:49:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R6n3qG005680 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6mP4d026327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6mG43054098; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f3.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6m443053997 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:47:59 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA8AB380:01C48C01] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO tasteless. .. that is worse than some prom pictures I saw a couple of year ago. Can we say ghettofabulous. >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0500 (CDT) > > >Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a >little too far: > >http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html > >This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this >related news article: > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 > >OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of >course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot >princess" or whatever. > >--Robin >*not* about to dress her sons from this site > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 02:49:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R6nRgc005842 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:49:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6ml4d026355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6ml43054394; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f1.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R6m443053998 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:47:59 -0700 Received: from 66.25.126.229 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.126.229] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA84C010:01C48C01] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO tasteless. .. that is worse than some prom pictures I saw a couple of year ago. Can we say ghettofabulous. >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0500 (CDT) > > >Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a >little too far: > >http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html > >This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this >related news article: > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 > >OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of >course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot >princess" or whatever. > >--Robin >*not* about to dress her sons from this site > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 05:48:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7R9lxhw020605 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:47:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R9lJ4d007476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R9lC43042804; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R9l643042518 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i7R9lbP06211.; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:47:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:46:32 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:46:25 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost]Victorian swimwear (or lack of) revisited Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently acquired a lot of my aunt's books after she went into residential care, including an edition of Kilvert's diary. I thought it might amuse people to hear the story I referred to in an earlier thread about this Victorian curate's first encounters with bathing drawers. On 24 July 1873 he swam from a bathing machine at Seaton (Somerset?). He was given, as he supposed, two towels, and only realised afterwards that one was "a pair of very short red and white striped drawers" which he should have worn for his swim! In June of the next year he was at Shanklin, IOW. "At Shanklin one has to adopt the detestable custom of bathing in drawers. If ladies don't like to see men naked why don't they keep away from the sight?" He was lent a pair which promptly fell down in the rough sea and tripped him up, causing him to cut himself on the sharp shingle. "After this I took the wretched and dangerous rag off and of course there were some ladies looking on as I came up out of the water." Presumably the idea of mixed bathing as a social activity was unheard of at that time! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 07:30:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RBUESq021109 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:30:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RBTI4d013781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RBSc43096243; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RBSZ43096215 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:28:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckbonder@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.224.237.210.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.237.210] helo=earthlink.net) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C0euE-0004Jy-8K for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: <410-22004852711283319@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Christine Bonder" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:28:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 6ebfef0e944f11551aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ac7470a77db093e8023358bf15334dac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.224.237.210 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 685 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was on email for only a very short time, Mike. I remembered something I needed to send to one of the SCA folks about the event. I hope you have a good day. Hugs! Christine > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/27/2004 2:49:52 AM > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 685 > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pants below the crotch (Catherine Olanich Raymond) > 2. Re: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness > (Catherine Olanich Raymond) > 3. Re: Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch (Kimiko Small) > 4. Re: wool fabric sources (Kimiko Small) > 5. Re: Re: shaggy brats (Kimiko Small) > 6. Re: wool fabric sources (E House) > 7. Re: Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} (Kimiko Small) > 8. Re: Pants below the crotch (Kimiko Small) > 9. Re: Re: renaissance fabrics (Diana Habra) > 10. Re: wool fabric sources (Diana Habra) > 11. Re: early embroidery (Heather Rose Jones) > 12. Re: Pants below the crotch (Heather Rose Jones) > 13. Re: Pimp costume was: Street-to-fashion (Cynthia Virtue) > 14. RE: Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > (teawithablackdragon *) > 15. RE: Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > (teawithablackdragon *) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:33:58 -0400 > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200408262233.58544.cathy@thyrsus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thursday 26 August 2004 4:08 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > > I just checked and Drea Leed's hilarious article on these pants is still up > > on her website (though not linked to anything that I can find): > > > > http://costume.dm.net/superwides.htm > > I had never read that article before! Chris, thank you! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:39:59 -0400 > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > Subject: Re: t-tunic cut (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200408262239.59705.cathy@thyrsus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 25 August 2004 7:23 am, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > Actually, I wrote it (Cathy Raymond). Gets darn hard to keep track of who > said what in long-running threads, doesn't it? :-) > > > >Understood. I sent the URL I did, though, because Stuart's original > >> request was for something fairly authentic, not necessarily basic. > > > > > >And whether the method you describe is easier will depend on the person. > > > I'vedone the "sketch around an old shirt" method of making a tunic, and > > > the more complicated type described on Cynthia Virtue's page, and I don't > > >think there's that much of a difference in complexity of task, though of > > > course the > > >more gores there are the more sewing you do. All I ask of a method is > > > that it tells me fairly clearly how big to make everything, and Cynthia's > > > method does that.... > > > > Well, Cynthia's site is good and it was the first one I know of to actually > > offer an alternative to 'draw a T shape on your fabric and sew it together > > up the sides' Kass McGann's > > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html or Maggie > > Forrest's http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/ sites offer almost the same > > pattern but with a diagram for laying out the pieces. > > So it does. But I like Cynthia's explicit "take your measurements and plug > them in here and here and the result is what size to cut each piece" > approach. Kass's directions yield the same result but are stated much more > compactly. > > > > Cynthia's site is > > really fabulous for the later stuff and that's usually the first site I > > will point people to if they say they are interested in Houpelandes. > > However for a basic tunic the other two provide just that little bit more > > information. > > I don't know if I agree with that, but I can see that some people would find > Kass's approach (for example) easier to understand and thus less intimidating > than Cynthia's. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:01:18 -0700 > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826200026.02a20478@64.87.54.245> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 04:18 PM 8/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >--Robin > >*not* about to dress her sons from this site > > > Those "costumes" were just tasteless, imnsho. Thanks for sharing the links, > and I fully agree with you. My son will never be put into such a costume. > > Kimiko > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:17:17 -0700 > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826201622.02b78dc0@64.87.54.245> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 08:04 PM 8/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >http://www.trimfabric.com also has some great deals on wool. They have a new > >website, and I haven't looked through it that thoroughly yet, but if you can > >find a section of clearance fabric lots, there tend to be some amazing > >finds. > > > Thanks for posting this site. I am drooling over many of the fabrics. > > Mantra to self, Have to save money for the patio pavers... Have to save > money for the patio pavers... > > Kimiko > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:27:00 -0700 > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shaggy brats > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826202357.02b3d878@64.87.54.245> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >It works *really* well especially if you use a 'primitive' double coated > >fleece. Separate the hard outer coat and use the soft downy under coat for > >the main weft. Every couple of shots tie the locks in using your fav rug > >knot (why fav? because you will be tying a LOT of them!) > >It takes about a week to prep and weave a medium sized one. Then gently > >full it (I used ye olde washing machine...) and it is warm and durable. In > >the winter the static electricity makes the individual fibers separate and > >fluff--it's a unique look. > >TA > >Carol > >-- > >Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! > > > Thanks Carol, > > While it may be awhile before I pull out the loom (toddler would have a > field day), I do have some double coated fleece around in a basket > somewhere that I can maybe make a sampler with on a small hand loom. > > You mention separating the two coats, so I presume you use the hard coat > for the insert? I want to make sure and not just make a presumption. > > Thanks, > > Kimiko > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:28 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <00f101c48be6$418f5d30$0400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've been looking through the new (and horribly slow-loading) TrimFabric > website and to my deep disappointment, they seem to have discontinued their > fabric lots section! They used to have tons of very nice quality wools > there from $6-$8/yd in large pieces. > > WAH. > > Their by-the-bolt section is still worth looking through, however. > > -E > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:33:24 -0700 > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826202801.02b3d878@64.87.54.245> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 06:02 AM 8/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm not Glenda, but I use Dermablend makeup when I dress in Elizabethan > >garb. I simply went for one shade lighter than my natural > >complexion. Dermablend is the only makeup I have found that I do not > >sweat off (I 'glow' like a horse, if you remember the Victorian saying); > >the sweat actually comes through the makeup and can be gently patted off > >with a handkerchief without lifting the makeup. I don't need to touch up > >my makeup at all during the day. > > > >Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] > >aka Joan Jurancich > >joanmj@surewest.net > > > Thanks Joan for the tip. I guess I will actually do the unusual, and go buy > some makeup (I normally hate wearing it). > > Kimiko > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:38:02 -0700 > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826203736.00b11440@64.87.54.245> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Thanks Chris for sharing the link. I enjoyed a good laugh. > > Kimiko > > > > At 04:08 PM 8/26/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >I just checked and Drea Leed's hilarious article on these pants is still > >up on her website (though not linked to anything that I can find): > > > >http://costume.dm.net/superwides.htm > > > >IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a few > >years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are going to > >wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >0 Chris Laning > >| > >+ Davis, California > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: renaissance fabrics > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <1041.24.4.69.40.1093585203.squirrel@24.4.69.40> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Diana: > > > > I was intrigued by your post about wool and tried to look at your site, > > but > > only the top three inches of photos and copy come in! I get the bars with > > choices (fabric type, era, etc.) and when I press them it seems that > > something is coming, but all I get is a big empty space. Is this a known > > problem? Maybe my browser doesn't support whatever you use? > > > > Gail Finke > > Thank you for letting me know that you had a problem. I am very sorry and > I will talk to my web person and let him know. I had to change designers > after the site was originally set up due to lack of support with these > kinds of issues. > > I use Internet Explorer and it seems to work okay in that browser. If you > have the ability, please try again using IE. And again, I am sorry for > the problem but I will hopefully have it fixed soon! > > Diana > > > Diana Habra > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:46:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <1048.24.4.69.40.1093585560.squirrel@24.4.69.40> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > ~Angelique wrote: > > > >> > >> Looking for lightweight wool for a tudor gown circa 1540 Tudor gown, > >> Does anyone have a source that won't break the bank? Thank you, > >> ~Angelique > >> > > > > I'm not sure what the selection will be at your nearest store, but > > Hancocks is advertising "dress and suit weight wool blends" at 50% off > > the $4.99 price over Labor Day (Aug 31-Sept6). > > My two cents about wool blends....be wary of those that have nylon in > them. Nylon shrinks horribly and I had the experience of washing such a > wool that started out medium weight and ended up with a piece of wool so > thick that I couldn't make a darn thing with it. > > Wool & polyester are okay together but just say "no" to nylon! > > Diana > > Diana Habra > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:31:01 -0700 > From: Heather Rose Jones > Subject: Re: [h-cost] early embroidery > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" > > At 9:28 AM -0400 8/26/04, Susy wrote: > >Heather Rose > >you have such a broad knowledge base, any suggestions for bronze or iron age > >embroidery stitches? > > > >My interest is celtic/protoceltic culture, but I find the time period > >fascinating regardless of the locale. > > There's some decorative threadwork on a couple of > the textiles from the bronze age Hohmichele IV > grave done in silk on wool -- the technique could > be created by needlework, but if I'm remembering > correctly, I think it was most likely done with a > weaving technique. It's one of the comparative > pieces covered in: > > Banck-Burgess, Johanna. 1999. Hochdorf IV: Die > Textilfunde aus dem späthallstattzeitlichen > Fürstengrab von Eberdingen-Hochdorf (Kreis > Ludwigsburg) und weitere Grabtextilien aus > Hallstatt- und latčnezeitlichen Kulturgruppen. > Konrad Theiss Verlag, Stuttgart. ISBN > 3-8062-1453-0 > > There are several varieties of decorative > needlework on the Danish bronze age textiles, > although these fall outside the "Celtic region" > proper. Due to the staining effect of the burial > conditions, colors are pretty much impossible to > reconstruct, but most of the techniques would be > perfectly lovely even simply as texture effects. > I think all the needlework I'm remembering occurs > on women's tops and includes rows of decorative > stitching (one using something like a stem > stitch, another rows of blanket stitch), and in > one case a large expanse on the upper part of the > sleeves for which I'll just point you to: > > Hald, Margrethe. 1980. Ancient Danish Textiles > from Bogs and Burials. Nat. Museum of Denmark, > Copenhagen. ISBN 87-480-0312-3 > > Heather > -- > **** > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > **** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:39:16 -0700 > From: Heather Rose Jones > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > At 4:10 PM -0500 8/26/04, Robin Netherton wrote: > >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Chris Laning wrote: > > > >> IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a > >> few years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are > >> going to wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" > > > >Never mind future generations -- I'm wondering that already. > > My personal observation is that the answer is, "They don't always." > I've been amused on any number of occasions to see a fashionable > young man surreptitiously hiking his pants up as they escaped their > proper location at mid butt-crack to fall towards mid-thigh. > > I've heard all the explanations for the style, but it still takes all > my self control to avoid bursting into laughter when encountering one > of the extreme versions. > > Heather > > -- > **** > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > **** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:21:06 -0400 > From: Cynthia Virtue > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pimp costume was: Street-to-fashion > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <412ED2D2.5040108@thibault.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kimiko Small wrote: > > Those "costumes" were just tasteless, imnsho. Thanks for sharing the > > links, and I fully agree with you. My son will never be put into such a > > costume. > > Devil's advocate here: some of the costumes (and characters) we do use > are no less reprehensible, they're softened with age and familiarity. I > doubt an Elizabethan woman would have dressed her son as a pirate, or > her daughter as a dishonored maiden (Snow White: a story in which the > prince didn't kiss her to get that apple out of her mouth, until > Bowdlerized by the Grimms.) > > The 60s "pimp" is far away enough in time for some people (clearly) to > consider it not a threat any longer, and instead, quaint. Like a pirate. > > I wouldn't buy it either, but it is amusing that we're discussing a > historical costume instead of historical costuming. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or > Cynthia du Pré Argent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59 +0000 > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > tasteless. .. that is worse than some prom pictures I saw a couple of year > ago. Can we say ghettofabulous. > > > > >From: Robin Netherton > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a > >little too far: > > > >http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html > > > >This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this > >related news article: > > > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 > > > >OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of > >course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot > >princess" or whatever. > > > >--Robin > >*not* about to dress her sons from this site > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:47:59 +0000 > From: "teawithablackdragon *" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > tasteless. .. that is worse than some prom pictures I saw a couple of year > ago. Can we say ghettofabulous. > > > > >From: Robin Netherton > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch > >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a > >little too far: > > > >http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html > > > >This just come up on one of my other lists, where someone posted this > >related news article: > > > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40152 > > > >OB Historic: The costume site also has period costumes. Halloween-level of > >course, and within reason of what you'd expect for "child Camelot > >princess" or whatever. > > > >--Robin > >*not* about to dress her sons from this site > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 685 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:04:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RD4UqO021624 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:04:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD3k4d019736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD3c43050982; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD3a43050961 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-50-167.jps.net ([209.165.50.167] helo=KALC) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0gOE-0003aW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:03:34 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:03:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather wrote: >My personal observation is that the answer is, "They don't always." I've been amused on any number of occasions to see a fashionable young man surreptitiously hiking his pants up as they escaped their proper location at mid butt-crack to fall towards mid-thigh. >I've heard all the explanations for the style, but it still takes all my self control to avoid bursting into laughter when encountering one of the extreme versions. My fourteen year old son falls into this catagory. The extream is somewhat tempered by the school dress code but this is his standard attire and its not an expensive look to pull off either. I could care less one way or another myself, so he has the freedom to have some fun. The best part was, last Halloween to school dressed as an Abercrombie kid and pulled it off quite well. The whole parking lot full of kids were in hysterics as he got out of the car when I dropped him off because he would normally NEVER dress like that. My 11 year old neice who is a total mall girl is still faking shock..." You went as ME for Halloween?" Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:06:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RD6x20021637 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:06:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD6J4d019892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD6I43052488; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD6B43052437 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-50-167.jps.net ([209.165.50.167] helo=KALC) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0gQk-00047H-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:06:10 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather wrote: >My personal observation is that the answer is, "They don't always." I've been amused on any number of occasions to see a fashionable young man surreptitiously hiking his pants up as they escaped their proper location at mid butt-crack to fall towards mid-thigh. >I've heard all the explanations for the style, but it still takes all my self control to avoid bursting into laughter when encountering one of the extreme versions. My fourteen year old son falls into this catagory. The extream is somewhat tempered by the school dress code but this is his standard attire and its not an expensive look to pull off either. I could care less one way or another myself, so he has the freedom to have some fun. The best part was, last Halloween he went to school dressed as an Abercrombie kid and pulled it off quite well. The whole parking lot full of kids were in hysterics as he got out of the car when I dropped him off because he would normally NEVER dress like that. My 11 year old neice who is a total mall girl is still faking shock..." You went as ME for Halloween?" Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:08:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RD8lMF021650 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD824d019981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RD8043053560; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RD7t43053428 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp03.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.123]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAU8NRYAHH6W8A for (sender ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18209 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 13:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.65.135) by smtp03.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 13:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c48c36$b63ead20$8741bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408261351.i7QDpI1n047586@sabre.goldsword.com><005101c48b70$a1f6f190$cf40bc3f@susyhp> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early embroidery Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:06:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 22:11:1798606112 X-MAIL-INFO: 2a31b595248d6531a1246db0a409d4b580b0d5d4e0d0a1d4946ddd84f084444185c56484656065c4fde4b18505fd296430856029ede0c929c07490bdc1bdd92d0cf069bd212021e9610df90c4061f569140c20f509446db96dc5559dc55541fd5541fd098d79911d31f951f924d53450d1f9d06474e5f0e5bd7504bd7561697561 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofy6LgcZ1vW2WTvoenz+pL8vX0LzCRiYsE X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Heather Rose Gotta get my hands on those resources! Susy > >you have such a broad knowledge base, any suggestions for bronze or iron age > >embroidery stitches? > > > >My interest is celtic/protoceltic culture, but I find the time period > >fascinating regardless of the locale. > > There's some decorative threadwork on a couple of > the textiles from the bronze age Hohmichele IV > grave done in silk on wool -- the technique could > be created by needlework, but if I'm remembering > correctly, I think it was most likely done with a > weaving technique. It's one of the comparative > pieces covered in: > > Banck-Burgess, Johanna. 1999. Hochdorf IV: Die > Textilfunde aus dem späthallstattzeitlichen > Fürstengrab von Eberdingen-Hochdorf (Kreis > Ludwigsburg) und weitere Grabtextilien aus > Hallstatt- und latčnezeitlichen Kulturgruppen. > Konrad Theiss Verlag, Stuttgart. ISBN > 3-8062-1453-0 > > There are several varieties of decorative > needlework on the Danish bronze age textiles, > although these fall outside the "Celtic region" > proper. Due to the staining effect of the burial > conditions, colors are pretty much impossible to > reconstruct, but most of the techniques would be > perfectly lovely even simply as texture effects. > I think all the needlework I'm remembering occurs > on women's tops and includes rows of decorative > stitching (one using something like a stem > stitch, another rows of blanket stitch), and in > one case a large expanse on the upper part of the > sleeves for which I'll just point you to: > > Hald, Margrethe. 1980. Ancient Danish Textiles > from Bogs and Burials. Nat. Museum of Denmark, > Copenhagen. ISBN 87-480-0312-3 > > Heather > -- > **** > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > **** > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:18:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDImoG021750 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:18:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDI94d020475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDI443059448; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDI043059370 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.143.31c0ba1e (4468) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <143.31c0ba1e.2e608e80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:17:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My best friend's son is 15, and extremely dedicated to ensuring that all of his pants are falling off at all times. It is, in a word, horrifying. I can't tell you how many times I've been at her house watching TV, and as her son is wrestling with the dog (or, at times, simply walking around) his pants have slipped to the point where you'd have to have a big fuzzy circle over his midsection if you were broadcasting him on network TV. I do realize that my own battles with my kids over their clothing choices are coming, but one thing I can definitely say with assurance is that in my home or in my presence, their pants WILL stay within a secure range of their waists at all times. Heck, the title of this thread could almost apply to the jeans/shorts/pants that GIRLS are wearing nowadays. I see teenage girls out all the time in lowriders that are trying desperately to head south of their already precarious and unattractive positions. The thing that is so distasteful to me is that so many of these girls are seriously overweight, yet still wearing this fashion where they have a roll hanging out between the "waist"band of their jeans, and the bottom hem of their shirt, which usually ends around the ribcage. No, I'm not particularly skinny either ... but neither am I hanging my own tummy out for the world to get an eyeful. **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:28:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDSdA3021816 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:28:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDRf4d021072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDRb43065210; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDRY43065088 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:27:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1d9.29e62f85 (4468) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:27:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.29e62f85.2e6090bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:27:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween Costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/26/04 4:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: Speaking of costumes based on "street" fashion, this is probably going a little too far: http://www.brandsonsale.com/51104-costumes.html A couple of thoughts on this - while I think that these costumes are tasteless, exactly *how* awful they are IMO depends somewhat on the age of the child. Last year one of the kids at a Halloween party I helped chaperone came in the "pimp" costume with the velvet and zebra stripes, and he had the big rhinestone sunglasses, huge chain & medallion, the whole works. He's 16, and it was actually really funny - just looking at him I don't know that you'd have automatically thought "pimp." To me (being the naive dork that I am) when I first say him I just thought, "oh, how funny, a retro 70's funk costume." Secondly, as another poster mentioned, how awful or unacceptable Halloween costumes seem, can be very much in the eye of the beholder. When I was a child, my very strict Southern Baptist parents would never allow me to be a witch, vampire, ghost, or devil for Halloween; I was stuck with bunnies and princesses and one very memorable (read: hot and shedding) Ewok costume. I never understood why my best friend could go as a witch, and I couldn't. The idea that a costume might be "satanist" was a *tad* over my head. I've often wondered how nuts my friends' parents thought my own parents were for this rule, and whether I'd ever have even *wanted* to be a witch or a ghost if they hadn't made it forbidden. **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:29:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDTjtN021829 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:29:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDSs4d021171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDSr43065980; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDSY43065793 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-50-167.jps.net ([209.165.50.167] helo=KALC) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0gmO-00009g-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:28:32 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:28:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <143.31c0ba1e.2e608e80@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The difference between the low riding pants of boy vs. the girls is that the boys have turned their boxers into a fashionable outer wear item. Just like we now have spagetti strap camisoles peeking out under our low cut tops. A fashionable underware garment is now outwear and modesty is preserved! At least with the boys. The boxers meant to go with these low riding pants are made with fashionable prints as attractive as any lace topped camisole. Lisa Sinervo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Theflamingneedle@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch My best friend's son is 15, and extremely dedicated to ensuring that all of his pants are falling off at all times. It is, in a word, horrifying. I can't tell you how many times I've been at her house watching TV, and as her son is wrestling with the dog (or, at times, simply walking around) his pants have slipped to the point where you'd have to have a big fuzzy circle over his midsection if you were broadcasting him on network TV. I do realize that my own battles with my kids over their clothing choices are coming, but one thing I can definitely say with assurance is that in my home or in my presence, their pants WILL stay within a secure range of their waists at all times. Heck, the title of this thread could almost apply to the jeans/shorts/pants that GIRLS are wearing nowadays. I see teenage girls out all the time in lowriders that are trying desperately to head south of their already precarious and unattractive positions. The thing that is so distasteful to me is that so many of these girls are seriously overweight, yet still wearing this fashion where they have a roll hanging out between the "waist"band of their jeans, and the bottom hem of their shirt, which usually ends around the ribcage. No, I'm not particularly skinny either ... but neither am I hanging my own tummy out for the world to get an eyeful. **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:33:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDXNMW021869 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:33:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDWl4d021489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDWl43068562; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDWG43068214 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1d4.296f150c (4468) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.296f150c.2e6091d8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:32:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/04 8:29:23 AM Central Daylight Time, lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com writes: A fashionable underware garment is now outwear and modesty is preserved! Perhaps the fashions are different where you are, but my friend's son and his friends are not wearing their boxers in any manner that could be termed modest. The boxers are way below the waistline here as well, and more often than not, the weight of the jeans or pants pulls them further down than could ever be called modest. The entire point of the fashion, as far as I can tell, is to make sure that you have some butt-cleavage showing (VH1 actually did an entire show on the phenomenon of butt-cleavage fashion recently). And I don't know that there's a whole lot of difference in this area between the boys and the girls - the girls simply have the tops of their thongs hanging out for the world to see. **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:44:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDisA2021938 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:44:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDiB4d022371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDi843075576; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDi243075433 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.c1.4514b1eb (4560) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:43:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/2004 7:33:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Theflamingneedle@aol.com writes: The boxers are way below the waistline here as well, and more often than not, the weight of the jeans or pants pulls them further down than could ever be called modest. The entire point of the fashion, as far as I can tell, is to make sure that you have some butt-cleavage showing (VH1 actually did an entire show on the phenomenon of butt-cleavage fashion recently). And I don't know that there's a whole lot of difference in this area between the boys and the girls - the girls simply have the tops of their thongs hanging out for the world to see. and don't you realize that a big part of this is designed to irritate the parents, and so it has been since at least the beginning of the 20th century? Any one on this list old enough to remember the advent of tight blue jeans, where you could actually see the man's genitals tightly cupped in the crotch area, will know what I am talking about. and sideburns like Elvis. Not to mention my own era of hippie culture, where we often didn't keep our clothes on at all and if so, there was a lot of midriff, or no bra, or long hair and beards on the guys, or bare feet, and a host of other affronts designed to drive parents and other authority figures crazy. My parents dealt with all of these "horrors" but were helpless as their children strived to appear stylish to their peers. One can pick any decade and relate the same sort of stories. Parents: it's designed to be that way. The more irritated you are by the style, the longer it will last. I read last summer that tatoos and piercing will no longer be cool when teenagers see it on their parents. Breathe deeply. This, too shall pass. Meanwhile, I dye my teenager's (male) hair magenta and black and am thankful that hair replaces itself and that he is getting really good grades and staying out of trouble. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDs2vT022004 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:54:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDrL4d023166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDrJ43081211; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDrH43081143 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.102.4dab08ad (4468) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <102.4dab08ad.2e6096c5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:53:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/04 8:44:40 AM Central Daylight Time, Cheryldee@aol.com writes: Parents: it's designed to be that way. The more irritated you are by the style, the longer it will last. The heck with the other parents - *I* don't want to see people's butt-cracks hanging out of their pants in public. I let my own kids have a fair amount of freedom, and I don't fool myself that I'll be able to control all aspects of their appearance when they're teenagers. I streaked my daughter's hair pink this summer and got her ears double-pierced, and I'll go along with a *lot* in the future to allow them to express themselves and stay in the mainstream with their peers. But, there are areas where I draw the line. "They're just going to do it anyway" and "you'll only push them to keep acting out" are, IMO, not good enough excuses for abdicating my role as a parent who is here to teach and guide my children. I won't allow them to do drugs or smoke or cuss just because it's cool and everyone else is doing it and I'll only push them away if I come down on them for it - so why allow my daughter to go out dressed like a tramp, demeaning herself and lowering her self-esteem by teaching her that her body is nothing more than a tool to attract the attention of men? Or allow my sons to dress like gang members, when studies show very clearly that this *does* affect the people that a teen will hang out with and the activities that they will engage in? Yes, teens and young adults have been acting out in their fashions, expressing themselves and pushing the limits since time began, and parents have been horrified by it all the way back to Eve telling Cain that he was not leaving the cave without more fig leaves on. But, knowing that this is just the way it is and that it is, to some extent, perfectly natural, doesn't mean that it's all just okey-dokey. **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:58:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDwknd022050 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDwA4d023624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDw743084256; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53010.mail.yahoo.com (web53010.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.200]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RDw543084163 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aureliarufinia@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040827132929.87580.qmail@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [18.152.7.245] by web53010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:29:29 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Aurelia Rufinia To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408270152.i7R1qT45009581@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Low Riding Pants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, cops have a love/hate relationship with those pants... hate because they are so baggy you can conceal a large number of things in them, but they love them because if someone wearing said pants decides to run, a decent percentage forget to *hold* the pants up and fall headlong into a very embarrassing heap. Mall Security people have caught a large number of shoplifters that way. Aurelia ========== > IIRC, the writing of this article was prompted by someone's comment a > few years ago on this list that future generations of costumers are > going to wonder, "How DID they keep those pants up??!?" Never mind future generations -- I'm wondering that already. --Robin ===== Baroness Aurelia Rufinia House Iron Maiden, Barony of Carolingia, East Kingdom, Northshield Ex-Pat "I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it. We're a knowledgeable family. " _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 09:59:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RDxBcq022054 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDwW4d023668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDwV43084509; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RDwG43084357 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-56-086.jps.net ([209.165.56.86] helo=KALC) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0hF7-0005Ug-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:58:14 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:58:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1d4.296f150c.2e6091d8@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tiff wrote: >Perhaps the fashions are different where you are, but my friend's son and his friends are not wearing their boxers in any manner that could be termed modest. The boxers are way below the waistline here as well, and more often than not, the weight of the jeans or pants pulls them further down than could ever be called modest. The entire point of the fashion, as far as I can tell, is to make sure that you have some butt-cleavage showing (VH1 actually did an entire show on the phenomenon of butt-cleavage fashion recently). Could very well be. My son and his friends do wear their pants way below the waist line but there is no butt-cleavage due to the boxers placed at the high hip showing. It might look weird to me, but I see it as a modest look so I'm not going to complain. Plus they wear oversized T shirts so skin rarely if ever shows. I don't watch much TV so I haven't come across the dropped boxer look which wouldn't impress me much, nor would I let my son dress like that. Lisa Sinervo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 10:03:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RE2xrN022078 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:02:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RE2F4d024020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RE2E43087182; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RE2B43087084 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:02:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.88.12ce7cd7 (4468) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:02:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <88.12ce7cd7.2e6098db@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:02:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/04 8:58:54 AM Central Daylight Time, lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com writes: It might look weird to me, but I see it as a modest look so I'm not going to complain. Plus they wear oversized T shirts so skin rarely if ever shows. Honestly, I wouldn't complain about this either. What I'm talking about is when the look is coupled with boxers trailing down the hiney and a waist-length or not-long-enough shirt, that it really gets nasty IMO. I'm not judging the kids or their parents for wearing it or saying that they're bad kids or bad parents, by any means - it's just what they're doing and they'll grow out of it, one way or another. All I'm saying is that I think it's icky. LOL **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 10:07:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RE70Cx022125 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RE6K4d024508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RE6G43089951; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RE6D43089853 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1cf.29d58bea (18251) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <1cf.29d58bea.2e6099cb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:06:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My only rule with low riding pants on girls is that if you have to shave your biniki line to wear a pair of pants I think your pants are too low. Betty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 10:58:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7REwlKk022543 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:58:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7REw24d029683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7REvw43029039; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7REvu43028949 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040827145750.11275.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.60.172.50] by web51301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:57:50 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <88.12ce7cd7.2e6098db@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Makes the old rhyme "I see London. I see France . . . ." seem really old. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 11:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RF97o9022647 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:09:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RF8N4d000837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RF8J43037004; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RF8G43036962 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-41-059.jps.net ([209.165.41.59] helo=KALC) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0iKs-0003F8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:08:14 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040827145750.11275.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Makes the old rhyme "I see London. I see France . . . ." seem really old. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 11:14:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RFEVlJ022682 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RF8k4d000881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RF8j43037333; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RF8H43036980 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:08:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisa-list@thrednedlestrete.com) Received: from 209-165-41-059.jps.net ([209.165.41.59] helo=KALC) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0iKu-0003F8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:08:17 -0700 From: "lisa-list" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:08:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040827145750.11275.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Plumbers crack is nothing new either. There is a woodcut from 1497 of a man scraping tartar (or something similar) from the inside of a barrell complete with butt-cleavage. It's reproduced in Franco Brunello's book "The Art of Dyeing in the history of Mankind" Same $hit different century! Lisa -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Makes the old rhyme "I see London. I see France . . . ." seem really old. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 12:13:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RGDKWI023172 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:13:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RGCS4d008118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RGCK43088658; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RGCD43088493 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from jessie2.webwarren.com (pcp0010285386pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.44.18.221]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7RGBo9O009888 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:11:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040827120618.067fd5e0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:10:49 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Trimfabric.com (WAS: Re: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources) In-Reply-To: <200408270152.i7R1qS44009562@net.indra.com> References: <200408270152.i7R1qS44009562@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:04:59 -0500, E House wrote: >Also, http://www.trimfabric.com also has some great deals on wool. They >have a new website, and I haven't looked through it that thoroughly yet, >but if you can find a section of clearance fabric lots, there tend to be >some amazing finds. A word of caution here: A couple of years ago I ordered a clearance lot of wool gabardine and a "special deal" on wool challis. The gabardine had *some* wool, but a synthetic feel and smell, and the presence of synthetic fiber was confirmed by a burn test. The wool "challis" turned out to be a twill-woven crepe -- loosely woven and pretty, but not at all suitable for the project I had in mind. I also ordered a couple of rayon lace "collars" which I've not used yet but which look a lot more like polyester than rayon. There's a linen-rayon blend jacquard I've been oogling there for years, but given my experience (and lack of funds and storage space), I'm leery of purchasing it. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 12:44:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RGi2m8023405 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RGh14d011920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RGg643013467; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53105.mail.yahoo.com (web53105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RGfK43012841 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040827164114.90638.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.142.234] by web53105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:41:14 BST Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:41:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?julian=20wilson?= Subject: Re: [h-cost]Victorian swimwear (or lack of) revisited To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kate Bunting, this from the Island of Jersey. A friend of mine [may God be good to him] used to own an Art Gallery over here, and made a huge collection of Victorian postcards of Jersey scenes. He allowed me to riffle through his collection of original cards on several occasions - though at the time I was interested in historical subjects such as the extensions to Elizabeth Castle, the Visit of Queen Victorian, the local Militia drilling or out on an encampment, and local commercial sailing vessels. But I recall that one of the cards showed a natural rock, low-tide, bathing pool which was then known as the "Lavoir des Dames", at least, that was the printed caption on the postcard. The photo showed a group of people using this natural pool - mixed bathing, in the nude. Local photographic studios began to produce Postcards of "Jersey Scenes" around 1855, so I was told. BTW, I did a LOT of sea-kayaking in his company, and we circumnavigated the island several times, [a testing 42mile paddle] - and I've lived in this island for nearly 40 years, too; - and I've never been able to locate this "Lavoir des Dames", so I think that the location may have been lost. However, I did not imagine that card. Further, with reference to mixed, nude sea-bathing in Victorian times, - at one point in my life, I read a large number of Victorian diaries, [and Vistorian textual erotica] - and the subject of nude sea bathing [both mixed and segregated] appeared in the texts of a number of the writers both the factual diaries, and the fictional erotica from such underground publications as "The Pearl", The Oyster" and "The Yellow Book". So one might surmise that - before England was overwhelmed by Victorian middle-Class pudery, mixed nude sea-bathing " for the Health" could have been common at the embryo seaside "watering places" - so called, of course, because the Victorians "took the waters" there as the very fashionable "sea-bathing" originally made so by "Prinny" and his Set. Lastly, I recall talking to a family friend whose family pf Longshoremen had earned their living on the Brighton seafront for well over a century; and comparing how it is - with how it was - and how my own family home - Southend on Sea, - compared with Brighton as far as the history of development as Victorian seaside resorts were concerned. And I recall the young man with whom I spoke telling me that one of the most profitable "holidaymakers" services his Victorian ancestors had provided was a few large rowing boats, launched & recovered from the beach in the vicinity of the segregated groups of bathing machines. He told me that much of their custom came from visitors of both sexes who would pay good money to be rowed to-&-fro about 50 yards offshore from the two groups of "mens" & "Womens" bathing machines - so that the nude bathers of each sex could be viewed by the other sex in the rowing boats. According to his Family oral History, the "fast" members of both sexes would also change out of - and into - their clothing, and dry themselves in plain view at the seaward-facing doors of their "bathing machiones". Then he said "I wish it was like that here, now!" And I recall answering - [randy young man that I was] - "Yes, I wish it was stil like that at Southend, too". Funny, your posting has made me recall a 50year-old memory that I haven't thought about for years! I hope it helps your curiosity a little. Cordially, Julian Wilson, Jersey, C.I.,U.K. Kate M Bunting wrote: SNIP On 24 July 1873 he swam from a bathing machine at Seaton (Somerset?). He was given, as he supposed, two towels, and only realised afterwards that one was "a pair of very short red and white striped drawers" which he should have worn for his swim! In June of the next year he was at Shanklin, IOW. "At Shanklin one has to adopt the detestable custom of bathing in drawers. If ladies don't like to see men naked why don't they keep away from the sight?" He was lent a pair which promptly fell down in the rough sea and tripped him up, causing him to cut himself on the sharp shingle. "After this I took the wretched and dangerous rag off and of course there were some ladies looking on as I came up out of the water." Presumably the idea of mixed bathing as a social activity was unheard of at that time! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 13:29:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RHTtqa023652 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:29:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RHT84d016754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RHT043051922; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RHSu44051860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-253.sonic.net [209.148.112.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7RHSrhJ031226 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: <412F6F74.6010709@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:29:24 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Trimfabric.com (WAS: Re: Re: [h-cost] wool fabric sources) References: <200408270152.i7R1qS44009562@net.indra.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040827120618.067fd5e0@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040827120618.067fd5e0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which one/what category? I found a gray jacquard on trimfabric.com. But gray not being one of my favorite colors, I'm hoping you located another one. Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1870s and 1880s patterns and dressmaking information http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > There's a linen-rayon blend jacquard I've been oogling there for > years, but given my experience (and lack of funds and storage space), > I'm leery of purchasing it. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 14:28:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RIS4di024052 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:28:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RIR84d023132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RIQw43098894; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RIQp43098829 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (24-90-83-116.nyc.rr.com [24.90.83.116]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7RIQmBN028042 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:26:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200408271729.i7RHTb45052361@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Bathing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julian and Kate This is a wonderful discussion - keep it up! And thank you for sharing it with us. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 14:48:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RImLRf028456 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:48:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RIla4d025216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RIlW43015791; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RIlQ43015640 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from jessie2.webwarren.com (pcp0010285386pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.44.18.221]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7RIlAx1017610 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:47:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20040827141816.0682fc80@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:43:07 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell In-Reply-To: <200408271729.i7RHTX44052318@net.indra.com> References: <200408271729.i7RHTX44052318@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Trimfabric.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:29 PM 8/27/2004, you wrote: >Which one/what category? It was under "novelty" fabrics and had a sort of vine-like design that looked appropriate for 15th/16th Century Italian. It looks like they may have finally sold it out; I can't seem to locate it. It *was* NV-199: >NV-199 60" Italian Silver Grey Brocade fabric from my notes of fabrics I'd wanted to purchase. >I found a gray jacquard on trimfabric.com. But gray not being one of my >favorite colors, I'm hoping you located another one. That particular shade of gray was not my favorite shade, either... and I've enough of a stash (and little enough financial resources) that purchasing more fabric is neither necessary nor in the budget at the present time. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 15:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RJgaZh028712 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RJfS4d000895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RJfL43058122; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RJfH43058057 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claudine_on_the_net@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (claudine?on?the?net@66.17.149.13 with plain) by smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 19:41:15 -0000 Message-ID: <412F8DC8.4040101@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:38:48 -0700 From: Claudine User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! When working with a commercial pattern that has lots of markings (you know, circles, dots, dart lines, slash lines, fold lines, etc.) how do you transfer them to the fabric? I haven't come up with a good way yet. Right now I can think of two ways to do it: 1. trace: lay fabric on top of pattern on top of glass with a light behind the glass (I use a large window or a glass tabletop). Won't work if the fabric is thick! 2. tracing paper and tracing wheel. Will probably destroy the pattern pieces? This is, of course, assuming I'm not working with anything really thick, heavy, or with a pile. Thanks! Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 15:55:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RJtjE6028815 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:55:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RJst4d002552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RJsq43068712; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RJsl43068593 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-24-7-132-137.client.comcast.net[24.7.132.137]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004082719544201500p6ehue>; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:54:42 +0000 Message-ID: <412F918A.3020309@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:54:50 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric References: <412F8DC8.4040101@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <412F8DC8.4040101@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Claudine wrote: > Hi! > > When working with a commercial pattern that has lots of markings (you > know, circles, dots, dart lines, slash lines, fold lines, etc.) how do > you transfer them to the fabric? I haven't come up with a good way yet. > Right now I can think of two ways to do it: > > 1. trace: > 2. tracing paper and tracing wheel. You can also use thread to mark - all it does to the pattern is leave a few little holes where the thread went in and out. Uh, called.... Tailor's tack! Found it http://www.sewnews.com/library/sewnews/library/aamarking0404a.htm liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 16:04:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RK4YSs028856 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:04:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK3o4d003391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK3l43075727; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50402.mail.yahoo.com (web50402.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RK3f43075587 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040827200335.89953.qmail@web50402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.102] by web50402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:03:35 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Street-to-fashion, was: Pants below the crotch To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040826200026.02a20478@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kimiko Small wrote: > At 04:18 PM 8/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >--Robin > >*not* about to dress her sons from this site > Have to agree! Fortunately, Teren doesn't particularly care for this style of costumes, or the oversized pants---his tastes run to the hard-to-make like individually scaled dragons or griffins, gargoyles and various Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh creatures. And the step-sons don't seem to yet either (but they're still in Blue's Clues and so forth ideas) Time to go find those books on soft sculpture and other non-historical costuming tips again-Halloween is around the corner, and then Rustycon. Angharad __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 16:06:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RK6adi028860 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK5p4d003540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK5n43077361; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK5k43077303 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7RKQ1hA005019 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7RKQ195005018 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408272026.i7RKQ195005018@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric In-Reply-To: <412F8DC8.4040101@yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > When working with a commercial pattern that has lots of markings (you > know, circles, dots, dart lines, slash lines, fold lines, etc.) how do > you transfer them to the fabric? I haven't come up with a good way yet. > Right now I can think of two ways to do it: > > 1. trace: lay fabric on top of pattern on top of glass with a light > behind the glass (I use a large window or a glass tabletop). Won't work > if the fabric is thick! > > 2. tracing paper and tracing wheel. Will probably destroy the pattern > pieces? > > This is, of course, assuming I'm not working with anything really thick, > heavy, or with a pile. for things that intersected with the cut edge, my Mom taught me just to make a notch there. The only thing that she ever marked (and i by example) are the points of the darts. She just used a piece of tailors chalk on most things. susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 16:07:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RK7Y6Q028870 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:07:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK6m4d003701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:06:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK6h43078072; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RK6d43078002 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A272AB3E for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:06:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p593.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.213.86]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F8BFD451 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:06:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Not to mention my own era of hippie culture, where we often didn't keep our clothes on at all and if so, there was a lot of midriff, or no bra, or long hair and beards on the guys, or bare feet, and a host of other affronts designed to drive parents and other authority figures crazy. My parents dealt with all of these "horrors" but were helpless as their children strived to appear stylish to their peers. Cheryl Odom __________________________________________ Isn't it ironic that a culture trying to be nonconformist were being conformist. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 16:16:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RKGJdj028897 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RKFZ4d004535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RKFW43085041; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RKFQ43084924 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.75.3215b0ee (25711) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <75.3215b0ee.2e60f052@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:15:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can also stick pins straight through the pattern and both layers of fabric, lift away gently, and mark the spots with chalk or, my favorite for most things, either the water-erasable or air-erasable marking pens. (Air erasable disappears in 48 hours or so, though, so you have to be sewing the pieces soon after marking with this method.) I usually snip to mark center front and center back, and cut notches out (not in--especially on the armhole, cutting the notch in can weaken the seam). I still often trace darts with paper and a wheel, although it is true that the wheel will eat up the pattern after 2 or 3 uses. There is also disappearing tracing paper. It only comes in purple. Used to come in white, that you could use on dark fabrics, but it is evidently not being made anymore--don't know why. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RL9MN0029174 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RL8V4d011179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RL8N43026986; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:08:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav28.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RL8K43026867 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:07:04 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav28.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:07:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412F8DC8.4040101@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:07:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 21:07:04.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE174720:01C48C79] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > When working with a commercial pattern that has lots of markings (you > know, circles, dots, dart lines, slash lines, fold lines, etc.) how do > you transfer them to the fabric? Before I start, I feel I have to state that this is the part I hate most. Now. I feel better :-) A tracing wheel works well if you have lots and lots and lots of markings, like boning channels or quilting lines. Yes, it does damage the pattern, so you're better off tracing your pattern piece on another piece of paper before you start, and use the copy to trace with the wheel. For stars, dots, etc. if they're close enough to the edge and I really don't feel like using carbon paper, I just mark them with a pencil (the ones made especially for sewing). I'll do the same with dots and stars and etc. by poking a tiny hole through the paper and marking through. Of course, if, as usual, you're cutting two layers of fabric, then you'll need to unpin and then mark the other side for this to work. If you don't want to mark with a pencil, you can take a contrasting color of thread and sew about two small stitches on the spot that needs to be marked, right through the pattern. It works well for things like buttonholes or grommet placement markings. I'm sure I'm forgetting something... but others will have ideas. (Now going back to fabric sorting... It's amazing how many pieces of fabrc I'd managed to forget about. No wonder the closet was full!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RLBk1X029185 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLAw4d011607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLAv43029068; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav25.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLAo43028945 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:10:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:08:50 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav25.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:08:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200408272026.i7RKQ195005018@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:08:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 21:08:50.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CF7ED50:01C48C7A] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The only thing that she ever marked (and i by > example) are the points of the darts. That's what I ended up doing too. I mark the point of the dart and the two points where the intersect with the cut edge. When I get to sew them, I just fold the triangle and sew right through to the point. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:18:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RLIBCl029217 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:18:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLCB4d011852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLC743030065; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav8.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.112]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLC543029959 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:11:01 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav8.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:11:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <75.3215b0ee.2e60f052@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:11:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 21:11:01.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B43B840:01C48C7A] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > the water-erasable or air-erasable marking pens. (Air erasable > disappears in 48 hours or so, though, so you have to be sewing the pieces soon > after marking with this method.) Be careful though if you want to iron before you wash... Some of the air-eraseable pens (mine was purple) disappear, but when you iron them they come back as a pale brownish-yellow blotch. Not sure that blotch goes away entirely. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:32:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RLWN00029261 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLVh4d015169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLVd43046193; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLVa43046150 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0oJr-00065w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:31:34 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been asked by a friend if I knew of any documentation on how lower class women handled their pregnancy dress concerns. I don't know much except that there is scarce artwork of all class levels. Anyone know of written research on it? I assume myself, that all those laces on the front and sides of gowns would allow the expansion necessary. Has anyone ever heard that it might have also led to the development of stomachers and plastron type gowns. (I just dreamed that one up on my own.) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:46:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RLkP6J029364 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:46:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLjf4d017318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLja43057353; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLjY43057262 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9E23A6B00CC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:38:42 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A98C1234008C; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c48c7e$f0ce33f0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:43:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7RLkP6J029364 Status: RO Each child develops their own sense of style during the puberty/teenage years... regardless of what parents want. We have a few rules of don't in our family. 1. No piercing for the guys. We remind them that when they are 40 years old, it might not look so cool. The boys' dad is really firm about this. He said that he would rip it out! I guess the boys believe him... none have piercing. For our daughter, her ears could only be pierced by a doctor. 2. No tattoos... same reason as the previous rule. We also remind them of the needle sterizaliztion problem in the parlors. 3. We do not want to see underwear, male or female. Now the trend is for teenager girls to show the tops of their panties above their pants. 4. Do not dye your hair until you start turning gray. Otherwise you will never get your natural hair color back. Oldest son learned this hard lesson. If they want to change the color use the temporary spray on dye. Then you can wash it out. I really stopped the sagging pants issue when one son decided to sag and OOPPSS!! Bleach accidentally spilled all over the pants in the wash. The boys sometimes try a sexually offensive saying on a t-shirt. Hmmm.... one passed my way in the wash last night. OOPPPSS!! The shirt fell into the garbage bag! He will think it was just something that got lost in the wash. See my dryer not only eats socks, but foul languaged t-shirts! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:47:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RLlYhV029367 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:47:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLki4d017503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLkg43058148; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLkb43058037 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA213A7700CC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:39:45 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9CA1237008C; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7RLlYhV029367 Status: RO Sq, For what period in fashion do you want to know about? Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Wicked Frau To: H-Costume@Indra. Com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation? I have been asked by a friend if I knew of any documentation on how lower class women handled their pregnancy dress concerns. I don't know much except that there is scarce artwork of all class levels. Anyone know of written research on it? I assume myself, that all those laces on the front and sides of gowns would allow the expansion necessary. Has anyone ever heard that it might have also led to the development of stomachers and plastron type gowns. (I just dreamed that one up on my own.) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 17:48:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RLm4c1029376 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLlV4d017660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLlU43058779; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RLkn43058198 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.155.3d6405bd (4262) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:41:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <155.3d6405bd.2e61048f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:41:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/2004 5:11:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > That's what I ended up doing too. I mark the point of the dart and the two > points where the intersect with the cut edge. When I get to sew them, I just > fold the triangle and sew right through to the point. > This works fine....if the dart is straight. But if it's curved like in a Victorian bodice.... A lot of the time I see professionals tape their large piece of wax tracing paper to a piece of stiff cardboard or foam core board. They only cut one layer of cloth with the paper pattern piece pinned in place and lay that paper up on the tracing paper board. Then they trace everything with a wheel that has spikes, like a spur. Then they take the traced fabric piece and put it right sides together on another piece of fabric, cut that side out and lay it again on the tracing paper board and trace the other mirror image of the 1st piece following the traced line on that 1st piece. I've done this many times and it is more time consuming but very accurate. Most of these patterns were drafted and had no seam allowance on the pattern.....because even-width seam allowances are *never* used as a sewing guide. Instead the sewing lines are traced all around. Makes it easier to alter the pattern. Most period things I've made are flat lined so all the tracing goes on the flat lining. Then I really "flat line" it, basting the two fabrics together with like 3/4th" stitches on all the tracing lines. Now all the tracing is visible on both sides of the fabric. Yes time consuming but very handy on complicated garments. For easy commercial patterns I just trace it with a wheel. If the pattern starts to fall apart, tape is very handy. If it's something you're really gonna use over and over again, make a duplicate of the pattern in light cardboard. The tissue patterns are not meant to be used more than a couple of times. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 18:05:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RM5cpY029428 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:05:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RM4q4d020476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RM4l43072101; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RM4h43071869 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C0opj-000JqF-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:04:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:03:11 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch References: <17087610.1093550638297.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <17087610.1093550638297.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris Laning wrote >In a message dated 8/26/2004 2:02:51 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: >>My pet peeve is the pants below >>the crotch for young men, eeek, who thought of that one? > >Cheryldee wrote: >>Rumor is it grew out of the Hip Hop style which derived from prison garb. >>The prisoners' belts were confiscated, causing their pants to "sag". >>Same with >>the buzz style hair cuts. Now it's become a fashion statement. So much with >>the theory that fashion is created by the upper class. > >To the best of my knowledge, the theory goes like this: > >(1) People out of the mainstream (lower social classes, particular >occupations, criminals, or anyone else with "romantic" appeal) begin >wearing a particular style of clothing. > >(2) Witty upper-class people and/or their designers pick up on this >trend and "upscale" it, using clothing items in new ways, making them >out of different materials, etc. (e.g. silver lamé jeans, silk >T-shirts, deliberately "ripped" clothing) > >(3) NOW it becomes high fashion. > >So I think it's true both that fashion is _created_ by the "out of >mainstream" people, BUT also that turning it from "someone else's >clothes" into a FASHION is mostly done by the upper classes. I don't know if it translates into clothing, but there's a theory in language that women tend to be aspirational, and therefore copy upper class and "prestige" forms of speech. Men tend to be more focused on group solidarity, so reinforce their peer group's particular way of speaking. Maybe the male/female split is less pronounced nowadays, but you can see how people can copy either "upper class" or "lower class" fashions. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 18:16:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RMGsNH029457 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMEd4d022387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMEa43079467; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMEX43079435 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C0ozQ-000KZ3-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:14:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:13:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT - Folk costume / fancy dress References: <680ec167c491.67c491680ec1@direcway.com> In-Reply-To: <680ec167c491.67c491680ec1@direcway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to those who identified the Bollenhut. I'm so glad I didn't dream it! I'm away on holiday for a week, taking my old "Italian Renn" (ish, very -ish) chemise and my old character skirt to re-make into a new version - and to make some very very big pom-poms! Party is not until mid-October, so don't hold your breath yet for pictures. Jean bettina.anderson@direcway.com wrote >What you are looking for is a "Bollenhut", the traditional hat from the >blackforest region. Here's a link with picture and description >(although it's in German, not to worry, I will translate) >http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/Landeskunde/rhein/volkskunde/trachten/bol >lehut1.htm > >This is the roughly translated text: > >It states that the famous red balled hat is an element of the formal >folk costume of the unmarried female. It consists of 8 red wool balls >arranged in a cross, on top of a limed white straw hat (I would use >diluted flat whilte paint and rub it off some before drying to get the >same effect). the hat is worn over a tulle cap (looks kind of like a >biggins with a brim >http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/Landeskunde/rhein/volkskunde/trachten/gut >ach01.htm). For married women, the balls are black in color. > >Apparently, unmarried women wore a sleeveles bodice made from velvet >and embroidered with flowers, with a heavily pleated black skirt and a >short sleeved white blouse. Married women wore long sleeves > >Have fun and post pictures, >Bettina > >Dear all, > >I have been invited to a fancy dress party, with a theme of "hats and >hoods". I'm in that position of having a picture in my head of what I >want to do, and then trying to find the sources, so I'm looking for >some help. > >The image I have is of a costume which is basically the generic >Germanic folk costume - skirt, white pouffy blouse, fitted bodice. The >hat (which is the main point of the thing) is a wide-brimmed black hat >with huge red pom-poms sitting on the brim all round. I have no idea >where I got this image from, but its a strong one. I don't think I >imagined it completely! > >Questions: > >1. Does anyone recognise this idea, and can point me to some >images, or even the right words to search on? I thought it was German >/ Bavarian, but looking at sites on German Tracht hasn't turned up any >big red pom-poms. I don't need patterns, just pictures to firm up the >details of the costume below the neck. > >2. I won't be able to boogie all night in a huge hat, so I want to >make a fancy under-cap to wear when I take it off. Any suggestions of >sites to look at? For this, patterns would be helpful, but they need >to be on the net or readily available in the UK. > >3. If I can't find a cheap black hat, I have a straw hat I could >use. What should I use to dye or paint it (that won't come off on me)? > >Thanks for any ideas, > >Jean > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 18:31:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RMVgh8029547 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:31:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMUx4d025175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMUv43091950; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMUp43091899 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:30:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C0pFB-0006wU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:30:54 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net> <001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> In-Reply-To: <001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Doi! (slap on forhead with heel of hand) Thanks for pointing this out Penny! Penny Ladnier wrote: >Sq, > >For what period in fashion do you want to know about? > > > > I have been asked by a friend if I knew of any documentation on how > lower class women handled their pregnancy dress concerns. I don't know > much except that there is scarce artwork of all class levels. Anyone > know of written research on it? I assume myself, that all those laces > on the front and sides of gowns would allow the expansion necessary. > Has anyone ever heard that it might have also led to the development of > stomachers and plastron type gowns. (I just dreamed that one up on my own.) > > Sg > _____ > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 18:39:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RMd1ci029578 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMcG4d026392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMcB43097264; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMc943097161 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A635500500C0; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:31:17 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5DE13990118; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c48c86$494b6280$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch & Olympics Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:36:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7RMd1ci029578 Status: RO The girls are turning towards the panties showing too. The first time I saw the top of a g-string peeking above a girl's pants was on the show, "8 Simple Rules for Dating my Teenage Daughter." It was a big issue in the episode. I try to look at it that when fashion goes to an extreme, it will soon go the opposite direction. Its the fashion life cycle. Although the sagging pants has been around since the mid-1990s. I think it is on a decline in the fashion cycle for the past year or so. When this fashion bloomed in the mid-90s, we discussed on the list, its history. Someone said that this style was fashionable among Californian surfers in the 1960s. On the opposite side... with people complaining about the women's volleyball costumes in the Olympics. One thing is really bothering me about the Olympics is the men's shorts for track and field, and the men's wrestling all-in-one suits. The uniforms are so tight in the crotch, that you can tell if the men are circumcised or not. I have gotten to where when these guys are on TV, I turn the channel. Wonder what designer decided this was pleasing to the eye? I didn't see this with the men's swim pants which were ultra tight. Before this turns into a man's crotch size discussion...I **really** don't think that was it... is that putting it in a ladylike way. I had to laugh when the U.S. women's soccer team the gold medal yesterday. Those now 30-something team members didn't take off shirts and show their sports bras like they did in the Atlanta games. These were the same ladies in both O. games. The Atlanta games did start a big fashion of women wearing sports bras. Maybe we shouldn't complain about the saggy pants... the O. could start a fashion with men of wearing the tight pants like the track & field guys. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 18:43:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RMhJ8i029592 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:43:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMgZ4d027137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMgS43000498; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-west-67-52-227-118.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMgP43000382 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from reddawn.net (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3DF425D7 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <412FB8D8.4070706@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:42:32 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric References: <75.3215b0ee.2e60f052@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Be careful though if you want to iron before you wash... Some of the > air-eraseable pens (mine was purple) disappear, but when you iron them they > come back as a pale brownish-yellow blotch. Not sure that blotch goes away > entirely. And some of them have been known to reappear months or years later in the form of disintigrated fabric. This was a big issue among quilters when those pens first came on the market. When I mark lines and dots I use tailors chalk. I put a heavy weight on the pattern to hold it in place, and lift up the edges or fold the tissue back to the marking in order to get them in the correct place. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 18:50:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RMoQVS029608 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:50:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMnZ4d027972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMnC43004996; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RMn643004918 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theflamingneedle@aol.com) Received: from Theflamingneedle@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.156.3d9aa61f (4568) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Theflamingneedle@aol.com Message-ID: <156.3d9aa61f.2e61145a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:48:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/04 4:32:14 PM Central Daylight Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: I have been asked by a friend if I knew of any documentation on how lower class women handled their pregnancy dress concerns. In what period? **Tiff** eBay Selling ID: Reflections*of*Worth Historical Reproductions and Costumes "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -Will Durant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 19:26:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RNQsK1029878 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:26:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNPl4d001580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNPh43026556; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNPe43026482 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A1563DDA001E; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:18:46 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A100141D0118; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c48c8c$eb9e0b90$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <17087610.1093550638297.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:23:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion Life Cycle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7RNQsK1029878 Status: RO In the fashion life cycle, the first stage of the cycle is the innovators. These are people in a group or mass public that influences the way the rest of the group dresses. In the U.S. these seem to be music stars, athletes, or Hollywood Stars. In the 19th Century it was socialites or royalty. If the group accepts the way the innovator dresses, then some members will adapt it, and the second phase of the life cycle begins. The third cycle (peak) is when the majority of the group or public accepts the fashion... I think of it as the Walmart phase. The fourth cycle is decline... I like to call it the Big Lots phase. The final stage is like death of fashion... think of thrift stores or Dollar Tree. The fashion life cycle can be fast or very slow... ten years for the saggy pants is a long fashion life cycle. A fad goes through the fashion life cycle very quickly and will sometimes skip stages of the cycle and dies a quick death. Think of the pet rock fad in the 1970s. When looking photos from 19th Century, fads can make a photo very easy to date. Velvet croakers is one fad that comes to mind. It only lasted a year or so in the bustle era.... just like in the 1970s. When fads die, people will treat the fashion like the plague. No one will wear it, because it was over-done. When I talk about a group in the fashion life cycle the group, can be as small as a click in high school or as large as a town, country or the entire modern world. I have observed in regions of the U.S. that certain trends are acceptable there but no where else. This is generally dealing with climate, recreational activities, culture, money, etc. My kids were watching a film last week and commented about actor-kids running around bare-footed and some even went to school without shoes. When I grew up on Mississippi Gulf Coast, it was okay to be bare-footed except in winter months (which was only a couple of months). Even then, inside the local's homes in the winter, you could go bare-footed. I recall as a child only wearing shoes in fancy stores, eating establishments, school, and church. Then we couldn't wait to get our shoes off when leaving. Today, we rarely wear shoes in our house, except when getting ready to go outside. This is year round. We don't go to other people's houses and take our shoes off. But when people come to our home and plan to stay more than an hour, their shoes generally come off. (back to the fashion life cycle... see how a fashion adapts to the dynamics of a group). We don't ask guests to take their shoes off. They just do. To our guests, it is a way of being welcomed and comfortable in our home. The visiting teenagers to our home have been known to leave their shoes at our house. The joke this summer has been, that I ask their parents to please have their children come back to our house to retrieve their shoes. My living room is not an extension of their bedroom is what I tell the visiting kids. There is such a thing as being too comfortable!!! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 19:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RNdEad029929 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:39:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNcY4d002692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNcW43033973; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RNcU43033955 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 47654 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 23:38:29 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 23:38:29 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <412FC6B2.2000306@footworkmedia.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:41:38 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net> <001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It would probably just have been a simple kirtle with a simple gown .. probably with some kind of provision for breastfeeding. Now if you are talking about Italy, France or some other non-Elizabethan England part of Europe, then it would obviously be a bit different. Also the nice thing about pregnancy in the last part of the 16th century is that it became fashionable to "look" pregnant. If your friend is not super cost sensitive ($38.00) she or you could take a look at http://grannd.com ... they have a Elizabethan comfort dress that might be interesting to make. Stuart Wicked Frau wrote: > Doi! (slap on forhead with heel of hand) Thanks for pointing this out > Penny! > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > >> Sq, >> >> For what period in fashion do you want to know about? >> >> >> >> I have been asked by a friend if I knew of any documentation on how >> lower class women handled their pregnancy dress concerns. I don't >> know much except that there is scarce artwork of all class levels. >> Anyone know of written research on it? I assume myself, that all >> those laces on the front and sides of gowns would allow the expansion >> necessary. Has anyone ever heard that it might have also led to the >> development of stomachers and plastron type gowns. (I just dreamed >> that one up on my own.) >> >> Sg >> _____ >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 19:46:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7RNkJpP029958 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNgq5V002984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNRc43027512; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNRU43027434 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A1C6515500C6; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:20:38 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A16F9400200; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:19:11 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c48c8d$2e1d0e30$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net><001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:25:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7RNkJpP029958 Status: RO SQ, <<>> You forgot again to mention the time period. If you do it again, you are washing my dishes tonight! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 21:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S19rDv030584 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:09:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S19B4d009952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S18I43078387; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmlapp16.siteprotect.com (cmlapp16.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.229]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S17k43078187 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-68-45-250.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.68.45.250]) by cmlapp16.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1002830B6B for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:07:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:07:27 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <002901c48c9b$64b04670$0300a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <412FB8D8.4070706@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7S17k43078187 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Many years ago (20? 30?) I bought a "Tack-It" Pattern Marker (Orco Products, Dayton, OH). It's a 1" wide U-shaped piece of metal, with a vertical metal pin in one end. You place your dressmaker's tracing paper between the pattern and the fabric, slide it into the open end of the marker, and tap (or hit!) the end of the marker wherever you want to mark a dot, a notch, a line (several taps), etc. If you are marking darts or a line, just connect the dots (they're only 1/8" in diameter) with chalk. It works great, even on the heaviest of fabrics (just hit harder), and it's very quick. I haven't seen it in stores in many years, so I'm not sure it's even available today. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 3-6, 2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 21:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S1CxZ9030605 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNRH4d001833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7RNRE43027343; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51106.mail.yahoo.com (web51106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7RNRB43027293 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040827232706.38171.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.253.34] by web51106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:27:06 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000f01c48c7e$f0ce33f0$0300a8c0@MOM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, How old are your children? Anne Penny Ladnier wrote: Each child develops their own sense of style during the puberty/teenage years... regardless of what parents want. We have a few rules of don't in our family. 1. No piercing for the guys. We remind them that when they are 40 years old, it might not look so cool. The boys' dad is really firm about this. He said that he would rip it out! I guess the boys believe him... none have piercing. For our daughter, her ears could only be pierced by a doctor. 2. No tattoos... same reason as the previous rule. We also remind them of the needle sterizaliztion problem in the parlors. 3. We do not want to see underwear, male or female. Now the trend is for teenager girls to show the tops of their panties above their pants. 4. Do not dye your hair until you start turning gray. Otherwise you will never get your natural hair color back. Oldest son learned this hard lesson. If they want to change the color use the temporary spray on dye. Then you can wash it out. I really stopped the sagging pants issue when one son decided to sag and OOPPSS!! Bleach accidentally spilled all over the pants in the wash. The boys sometimes try a sexually offensive saying on a t-shirt. Hmmm.... one passed my way in the wash last night. OOPPPSS!! The shirt fell into the garbage bag! He will think it was just something that got lost in the wash. See my dryer not only eats socks, but foul languaged t-shirts! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! 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References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net><001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> <005901c48c8d$2e1d0e30$0300a8c0@MOM> In-Reply-To: <005901c48c8d$2e1d0e30$0300a8c0@MOM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yo, Penny! check the subject line! She changed it.... --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > SQ, > > <<>> You forgot again to mention the time period. If you do it again, you are washing my dishes tonight! > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumegallery.com/research.htm > www.costumeclassroom.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 22:01:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S21Niv030833 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S20i4d013934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S20g43002944; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:00:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S20c43002779 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.42.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.42] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7S20Njt029180 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:00:24 +1000 Message-ID: <001201c48ca2$b2055120$2a92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Woven tunics, (was Re: [h-cost] Quietness) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:56:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > No argument about that. My comment above was solely in response to a > comment about the "lay down on a piece of cloth, trace around yourself, > cut, and sew two seams" method being something that would have been used > by the poor. It strikes me that if you're working with a length of cloth > that you are going to cut, there are more logical and durable approaches, > plus there's the issue of cloth width. > > Weaving to shape is a third option, and I know it was done in some > places/times, but I wouldn't be able to tell you where or when. > > --Robin > I wasn't disagreeing either, just providing a bit more information. As a poor student myself I certainly wouldn't use the lay down method, that's one of the really great things about tunics I can make a calf length chemise out of 2.5m of narrow fabric (110cm), but using the laydown method I'd estimate I'd need at least 3.5m of wide fabric (150cm) to make the same thing. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 22:32:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S2WQ8A030937 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S2Vk4d015965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S2Vg43017854; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S2Ve44017827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7S2YhL4011847 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:34:43 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:40:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408272240.26983.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 27 August 2004 9:43 am, Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: [snip] >One can pick any decade > and relate the same sort of stories. Parents: it's designed to be that > way. The more irritated you are by the style, the longer it will last. I > read last summer that tatoos and piercing will no longer be cool when > teenagers see it on their parents. Breathe deeply. This, too shall pass. > Meanwhile, I dye my teenager's (male) hair magenta and black and am > thankful that hair replaces itself and that he is getting really good > grades and staying out of trouble. Cheryl, I agree with you wholeheartedly except about that last bit. He wants his hair magenta? Let him do it himself! :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 22:57:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S2vMrx031037 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:57:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S2uj4d018143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S2u143031268; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S2tx44031230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from dandy.net (acty2108.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.108]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7S2tc64015203 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <412FF418.3050801@dandy.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:55:20 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Work ethic et al X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Penny. Hope all are well at your end of the world. As Pat gets more into the biz, he will make connections that will allow him to get heads-up further in advance to plan his year, such as plans to go on the road, etc. Prior to that time, it is my conjecture that he remain as committed to his agreed-on workload as he can. There is nothing better than a guy (or gal) that says they will be there and always is, and nothing worse than a person that tells you they'll be there, then bails for a better gig. I know you aren't in a state that is able to use it's Union system to it's fullest potential, but in my town, our local has fines levied against members who back out of calls. Tell Pat from me that there will hopefully always be more work than he can take, and tell him to be thankful for it. Someday a show will be cancelled, and he will be able to make a last-minute call and get another gig. It becomes bad when there isn't enough work to go around, that's when he should worry... My advice is to take the work as it comes, try and do your best for whoever you are working for, even if it is a dinky little production, make your connections and make your hookups when you can. The business is pretty insular, one day you are doing a local production of "The King and I", and the next, you find out that the LD from that show that raved about your work is really a Broadway guy or gal that was doing a favor for an old school friend, and you are being asked to go to NYC to protege under him or her. Don't forget, just working one or two shows in one venue doesn't qualify you to put that show on your resume, you have to be with the show on the road, and that kind of stuff needs to be booked way before the show goes out on the road (hence the term roadie, versus the term houseman or local crew). Give it time, sooner or later Pat will be asked to travel with a band, if that is what he wants. He may even hook up with one of the big production lighting companies that the bands hire to do the lighting, and he will be able to go out on the road then. Meantime, tell him to count his blessings, 'cause there are quite a few stagehands out there out of work, with families to feed, that would love to be able to pick and choose from a variety of shows to work. Cheers, Mike T. (who hasn't been out of work since he left college, and is thankful to God every day for it) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 23:09:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S399uH031071 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:09:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S38D4d019064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S38A43037643; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S38743037599 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439D92ACF1 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p205.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.207]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AAC9D41F for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:08:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <412FC6B2.2000306@footworkmedia.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- It would probably just have been a simple kirtle with a simple gown .. probably with some kind of provision for breastfeeding. Now if you are talking about Italy, France or some other non-Elizabethan England part of Europe, then it would obviously be a bit different. Also the nice thing about pregnancy in the last part of the 16th century is that it became fashionable to "look" pregnant. If your friend is not super cost sensitive ($38.00) she or you could take a look at http://grannd.com ... they have a Elizabethan comfort dress that might be interesting to make. Stuart Wicked Frau wrote: Maybe you could ask these people or http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/index.html#kirtle pattern 204 Margo Anderson http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm who is in the process of having a pattern for a "comfort" gown. They might know of lower class styles. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 27 23:31:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S3V4RH031131 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:31:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S3US4d020320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S3UM43048573; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S3UI44048547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from dandy.net (artvfhygkx@acty1176.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.176]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7S3U464004548 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:30:15 -0400 Message-ID: <412FFC34.6000508@dandy.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:29:56 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Work ethic et al References: <412FF418.3050801@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: <412FF418.3050801@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Sorry for the bandwidth, thought I sent this privately. Big Oops! Mike t. michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, Penny. Hope all are well at your end of the world. As Pat gets > more into the biz, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 00:18:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S4IPZu031307 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4HY4d023083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4HR43072015; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4HP43071980 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5BC72EC00DA; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:10:36 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A566B0601F8; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <012501c48cb5$b09f84f0$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net><001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net><005901c48c8d$2e1d0e30$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FE4F9.6030401@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:15:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7S4IPZu031307 Status: RO My apologies SG... instead I will pop Sue with my fan instead for laughing at me. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 00:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S4REoM031353 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:27:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4Qg4d023662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4Qf43076551; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:26:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4Qd43076530 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:26:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m190.in-tch.com [216.166.191.190]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7S4Q4W12767 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41300A7C.5000706@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:30:52 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? 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(save the fan, though, Penny, I've got an awfully hard head) --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > My apologies SG... instead I will pop Sue with my fan instead for laughing at me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 00:55:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S4tMok031434 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4sV4d025237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4sO43090856; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (www6.plugit.com [66.210.223.2] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S4sJ43090781 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:54:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE5F5E2000E0; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:47:27 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE093830050; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: <012f01c48cba$d69a5220$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net><001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net><005901c48c8d$2e1d0e30$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FE4F9.6030401@in-tch.com><012501c48cb5$b09f84f0$0300a8c0@MOM> <41300A7C.5000706@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? 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X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7S4tMok031434 Status: RO Okay Sue, I will pop you with my new beautiful fan. It will make you very pretty for one day. The fan has white feathers for the body and tipped with peacock feathers. I think it is my favorite fan in my collection... for now. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 01:30:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S5UrmR031527 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:30:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5U34d027241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5Tx43009032; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7S5Tu43008987 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 81160 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 05:29:53 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 05:29:53 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <413018E4.3030604@footworkmedia.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:32:20 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > It would probably just have been a simple kirtle with a simple gown .. > probably with some kind of provision for breastfeeding. Now > if you are talking about Italy, France or some other non-Elizabethan England > part of Europe, then it would obviously be a bit > different. Also the nice thing about pregnancy in the last part of the > 16th century is that it became fashionable to "look" pregnant. > > If your friend is not super cost sensitive ($38.00) she or you could take a > look at http://grannd.com ... they have a Elizabethan > comfort dress that might be interesting to make. > > Stuart > > Wicked Frau wrote: > > > Maybe you could ask these people or > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/index.html#kirtle pattern 204 > > Margo Anderson > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > who is in the process of having a pattern for a "comfort" gown. > > They might know of lower class styles. > > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Funny enough ... grannd.com is Margo Anderson's distributor ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 01:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S5wasC031589 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5vn4d028668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5vl43022226; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5vj43022161 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 5983F18006AA for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:57:40 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Aug 2004 05:57:40 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3A1FEE5BC7; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:57:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.219.100.113] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:57:40 -0500 From: "kathleen lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:57:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? X-Originating-Ip: 129.219.100.113 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040828055740.3A1FEE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Stegall Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:41:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? > It would probably just have been a simple kirtle with a simple gown .. probably with some kind of >provision for breastfeeding. Having gone through a pregnancy in late 16th century garb, I have come to the conclusion that the basic kirtle can be worn without modifictation during pregnancy, as long as the skirt is properly full and the bodice is cut to fit the bust. When I made my first maternity kirtles I thought I should build extra room for expansion into them and instead ended up taking out all of the extra when I got to my 7th month and it became obvious I wasn't going to need the extra. I would suggest wearing a loose gown rather than the other gown styles, but there too a standard loose gown will work fine. As far as modifications for nursing...again, none are really nessesary. Most of the shifts, kirtles and indeed gowns seem to hit just above the breast or at the top edge of the breast. The more "shirt" looking shifts appear to have pretty low slits down the center, which also makes nursing easy. This makes it a snap to pop the breast over the top of the neckline and get the kid latched on. I made the mistake initally of making my kirtle necklines too high and making them front lacing, which was a pain. just my two cents, Katie/Katherine Xander: You up for a little reconnaissance? Buffy: You mean where we all sculpt and paint and stuff? Xander: No, that was the Renaissance. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 01:59:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S5xBvR031592 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5wX4d028700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5wW43022636; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S5wV43022578 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 13FC918010D1 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:58:26 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Aug 2004 05:58:25 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB03FE5BC8; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:58:25 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.219.100.113] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:58:25 -0500 From: "kathleen lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:58:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? X-Originating-Ip: 129.219.100.113 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040828055825.EB03FE5BC8@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Stegall Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:41:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? > It would probably just have been a simple kirtle with a simple gown .. probably with some kind of >provision for breastfeeding. Having gone through a pregnancy in late 16th century garb, I have come to the conclusion that the basic kirtle can be worn without modifictation during pregnancy, as long as the skirt is properly full and the bodice is cut to fit the bust. When I made my first maternity kirtles I thought I should build extra room for expansion into them and instead ended up taking out all of the extra when I got to my 7th month and it became obvious I wasn't going to need the extra. I would suggest wearing a loose gown rather than the other gown styles, but there too a standard loose gown will work fine. As far as modifications for nursing...again, none are really nessesary. Most of the shifts, kirtles and indeed gowns seem to hit just above the breast or at the top edge of the breast. The more "shirt" looking shifts appear to have pretty low slits down the center, which also makes nursing easy. This makes it a snap to pop the breast over the top of the neckline and get the kid latched on. I made the mistake initally of making my kirtle necklines too high and making them front lacing, which was a pain. just my two cents, Katie/Katherine who wonders if part of the reason why she wants a second child is so that she can finally get her maternity garb right. Xander: You up for a little reconnaissance? Buffy: You mean where we all sculpt and paint and stuff? Xander: No, that was the Renaissance. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 02:08:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S68pOT002070 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S68C4d029196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S68943027293; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.110]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S68543027217 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:07:03 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav6.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:25:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <155.3d6405bd.2e61048f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:25:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2004 06:07:03.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D300660:01C48CC5] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > That's what I ended up doing too. I mark the point of the dart and the two > > points where the intersect with the cut edge. When I get to sew them, I just > > fold the triangle and sew right through to the point. > > > This works fine....if the dart is straight. But if it's curved like in a > Victorian bodice.... Of course. The original question was about commercial patterns though, so I was thinking of regular, plain, ordinary darts :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 03:05:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7S75uYm022854 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:05:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S7564d002188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S75243057321; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound1.mail.tds.net (outbound1.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S74w43057266 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-248-178.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.248.178]) by outbound1.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id i7S74qig029897 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:04:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c48ccc$f3ded2e0$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200408261720.i7QHJt44058864@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:02:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? Thanks, everyone! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ((Much snippage and combining of two messages. I get this in digest form)) > Bob, > > Below is a link for a szur. The szur is traditionally made from felted > wool. I think what Kimiko is describing is a gupta. This is a woven cloak > worn by Hungarian shepherds. It looks like a very shaggy sheeps skin, or > like you are wearing a LONG shag carpet. The Hungarian Heritage Museum in > Cleveland does have one, but they do not have a picture of it on their website. > > http://www.jcu.edu/language/hunghe3d.htm > > Jennifer > > Here in England, there were a few carpetr company adverts a few years > back featuring a coat and a gown made from patterned carpets - one of > the carpet shops near one of my occasional workplaces still has a > display with a picture of one of them. Don't know if the same pictures > were used in the U.S. > > Teddy Jennifer, I'm not sure whether I should be thanking, or cursing you ;) for reintroducing me to the szur. I've just bought the Folkwear pattern for it, and I think I have a new project to begin, as soon as the current ones are done (or I'm bored with them) I had a conversation with a friend about it, and he questioned if I had enough wool for the project. I haven't laughed that hard in ages. (I buy melton to use as blankets because, well, they're just so incredibly cozy and wonderful, and luxurious, did I mention cozy?) And I think a project like that won't even make a dent in the pile. Besides, how cool will it be to have the warmest coat at work this winter? Teddy, I think that's exactly what I'm remembering from college which was *mumble* years ago. There may have been an article in Threads Magazine around that time that I'm remembering. And, curses, I've found my back issues of the magazine and gotten sucked into an article about working with ribbon. Once again thank you everyone Bob Dorr, (Robert of Stonemarche) Oh, Kimiko, I thought of weaving for the silk shag, and while I've done shag before, weaving with wool, I can not say that I enjoyed it. This punch-hooking just goes a lot faster. (3/4 done the new rug for the bathroom, 44"x38" it's an odd size, but then, it's an oddly shaped bathroom) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 06:00:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SA08Fs031575 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:00:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S9xA4d012309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S9x143044595; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7S9ww43044570 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-85-204.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.85.204]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7S9wmCd019698 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:58:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040828021828.0197e680@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:19:41 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: <412FC6B2.2000306@footworkmedia.com> References: <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net> <001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >different. Also the nice thing about pregnancy in the last part of the >16th century is that it became fashionable to "look" pregnant. Don't you mean the 15th century here? The last part of the 16th century, women were corseted pretty tightly, with a really long waist in front. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 09:10:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SDAo7L032356 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SDAD4d022009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SDA243042330; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:10:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SDA143042251 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.db.1316742f (3988) for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:09:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:08:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > >This works fine....if the dart is straight. But if it's curved like in a > >Victorian bodice.... > > Of course. The original question was about commercial patterns though, so I > was thinking of regular, plain, ordinary darts :-) > Don't forget those curved hip darts in fitted skirts...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 10:58:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SEwhCa000303 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:58:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SEvu4d028315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SEvq43097797; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7SEvo43097782 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 77756 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2004 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 14:57:50 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:58:42 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> <412FA836.6050101@earthlink.net> <001701c48c7f$160a1030$0300a8c0@MOM> <412FB61E.3080408@earthlink.net> <4.1.20040828021828.0197e680@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040828021828.0197e680@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>different. Also the nice thing about pregnancy in the last part of the >>16th century is that it became fashionable to "look" pregnant. > > > Don't you mean the 15th century here? The last part of the 16th century, > women were corseted pretty tightly, with a really long waist in front. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > No this happened during the latter part of the rein of Elizabeth I ... Queen from 1558 thru 1603. They still wore the corsets they just had these pillows to make it look like a "low" pregnancy. Elizabeth herself did this ... It has of course been surmised that Elizabeth did this when the "Virgin" queen was actually pregnant with Francis Bacon and this becomes even more strange because Francis Bacon is now thought to have actually been William Shakespeare or if not the man know to the public as Shakespeare then he was at least the penman of all Shakespearean works. All very interesting stuff. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 11:49:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SFn9GX000718 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SFmX4d001475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SFmV43025180; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SFmR43025136 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17571 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:54:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:54:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, Stuart Stegall wrote: > No this happened during the latter part of the rein of Elizabeth I ... > Queen from 1558 thru 1603. They still wore the corsets they just had > these pillows to make it look like a "low" pregnancy. Elizabeth > herself did this ... If you have some solid evidence on this, please share it! Otherwise I will be more inclined to think that it's a "guess" propagated in the popular costume literature (or, given that we're talking about Elizabeth, in the popular biographies, whose authors don't have a specialist knowledge of costume and are likely to pick up a decades-old speculation as "fact" and repeat it as such). There are also some books that claim that women wore "pregnancy pillows" under early 15th c. dresses. As far as I know, that idea is a completely unsupported modern guess by people who can't fathom the idea that women, in the right clothing, will naturally stand in a posture that modern eyes interpret as "pregnant." So, forgive me if I find the idea of an Elizabethan "preganancy pillow" equally suspect. > It has of course been surmised that Elizabeth did this when the > "Virgin" queen was actually pregnant with Francis Bacon and this > becomes even more strange because Francis Bacon is now thought to have > actually been William Shakespeare or if not the man know to the public > as Shakespeare then he was at least the penman of all Shakespearean > works. All very interesting stuff. There are mountains of paper written on Shakespearean authorship. I got tired of reading the arguments years ago, but when last I looked, it seemed that there was a much better case for DeVere than Bacon, if you don't want to believe that it was actually Shakespeare himself. I don't know if the Bacon theory is held to be tenable these days at all. I would be similarly skeptical about the enduring but apparently unproven rumors of Elizabeth's illegitimate child(ren), and I don't think I've ever heard anyone seriously suggest that Bacon was Elizabeth's son. You might want to do a little more serious searching in the current historical literature (and I mean the academic literature rather than popular biographies) before you put your faith behind that one. Maybe there's evidence, but I'd approach this one with extreme caution. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 12:56:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SGu161001432 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:56:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SGtI4d004814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SGt943059439; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SGt643059410 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bde58e.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.229.142]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I3600JZW1KIPS@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:53:10 -0400 From: "J.A.Urbik" In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4130B876.6000305@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] free 60's patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found a 1949 Singer model 201-2 at the side of the road on thursday. This was the first change to actually take time and play with it. I put in the electrical cord, and am making some progress to getting it to work, but also in the cabint (which has the foot pedel as an intrgal part of the desk) I found about 10 60's or 70's patterns. If anyone is intrested, I will mail them out (free) to the first person who says they want them. Email me back off list! they do smell a little musty and i have no idea if they are cut out or anything, but they make me sneze to have near me, so i want them out of my house. Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 13:01:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SH1k6U001502 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:01:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SH154d005058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SH1443062650; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7SH0v43062576 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claudine_on_the_net@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (claudine?on?the?net@66.17.149.13 with plain) by smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2004 17:00:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4130B9A0.3060807@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:58:08 -0700 From: Claudine User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, everyone, for the fantastic suggestions! This came up because I'm working on one of the Simplictity Civil War corsets, #7215, and it's got every sticking marking you can think of. I've been able to futz transfering pattern markings in the past, but with this one there's just so many and they have to be right. I'll probably end up using all of the methods mentioned. :) Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 15:49:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SJn1CX002400 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SJmK4d014510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SJmE43063221; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SJmD43063204 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E322A2BFBB for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p212.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.214]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C1D3C5F3 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:48:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG -----Original Message----- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>different. Also the nice thing about pregnancy in the last part of the >>16th century is that it became fashionable to "look" pregnant. > > > Don't you mean the 15th century here? The last part of the 16th century, > women were corseted pretty tightly, with a really long waist in front. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com No this happened during the latter part of the rein of Elizabeth I ... Queen from 1558 thru 1603. They still wore the corsets they just had these pillows to make it look like a "low" pregnancy. Elizabeth herself did this ... It has of course been surmised that Elizabeth did this when the "Virgin" queen was actually pregnant with Francis Bacon and this becomes even more strange because Francis Bacon is now thought to have actually been William Shakespeare or if not the man know to the public as Shakespeare then he was at least the penman of all Shakespearean works. All very interesting stuff. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 16:12:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SKCCFB002599 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SKBV4d016422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SKBP43076523; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SKBN43076476 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.168] (pm5-168.eos.net [205.133.149.168]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7SKBHG5002138 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:08:04 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408281800.i7SI0j44094299@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: elizabethan pregnancy etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It has of course been surmised that > Elizabeth did this when the "Virgin" queen was actually pregnant with Francis > Bacon and this becomes even more strange because > Francis Bacon is now thought to have actually been William Shakespeare or if > not the man know to the public as Shakespeare then he > was at least the penman of all Shakespearean works. All very interesting > stuff. > Interesting or ridiculous? I guess it depends on your point of view. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 17:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SLKshQ003159 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:20:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SLKD4d020768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SLK943013748; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SLK343013688 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7SLePhA017081 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:40:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7SLeP0Z017080 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408282140.i7SLeP0Z017080@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The first image that I ever saw of a period pregnant woman was this painting of Queen Margarita http://www.usitalia.info/archivio/dettaglio.asp?Art_Id=817&data=03/14/2004 I have a larger image scanned, but it's not up on my server yet. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 17:44:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SLiA8H003292 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:44:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SLhQ4d022393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SLhP43026385; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SLhM43026347 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C1Ayo-0006Ky-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:43:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4130FC7E.9060406@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:43:26 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! What were the Italians thinking??? otsisto wrote: >I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to >look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > >-----Original Message----- >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 18:08:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SM8r1v003450 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SM8A4d023943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SM8843038773; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SM8543038756 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from user-33qtk1e.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.208.46] helo=[199.174.209.72]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C1BMh-0004nf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:08:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003b01c48c86$494b6280$0300a8c0@MOM> References: <003b01c48c86$494b6280$0300a8c0@MOM> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:19:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch & Olympics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 6:36 PM -0400 8/27/04, Penny Ladnier wrote: >The girls are turning towards the panties showing too. The first >time I saw the top of a g-string peeking above a girl's pants was on >the show, "8 Simple Rules for Dating my Teenage Daughter." It was a >big issue in the episode. I try to look at it that when fashion >goes to an extreme, it will soon go the opposite direction. Its the >fashion life cycle. Yes. In fact there was an article on the front page of the "style section" of our nearest-big-city paper this week, featuring "the covered-up look" as the latest teen fashion :) I vividly remember a long taxi ride to the airport, back when I was in college during the height of the mini-skirt era, with a taxi driver who wanted to be a professional songwriter. He was kind of a crusty old guy (probably about the age I am now! :) and didn't have too good a singing voice himself, but he sang us one of his songs. It was about Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden, and how after eating the apple they put on clothing, and now that modern skirts were getting so small they were almost disappearing, someone had better "find that apple again!" Odd, but kinda cute, I thought. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 18:55:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SMtciU003694 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:55:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SMt04d026537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SMsu43062091; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:54:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SMsr43062046 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C611141F for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040828154933.024e7338@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:50:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Can you use a rug, or rug technique for clothing? Thanks, everyone! In-Reply-To: <002701c48ccc$f3ded2e0$0201a8c0@domain> References: <200408261720.i7QHJt44058864@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:02 AM 8/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Bob Dorr, (Robert of Stonemarche) > >Oh, Kimiko, I thought of weaving for the silk shag, and while I've done shag >before, weaving with wool, I can not say that I enjoyed it. This >punch-hooking just goes a lot faster. (3/4 done the new rug for the >bathroom, 44"x38" it's an odd size, but then, it's an oddly shaped bathroom) Hey Bob, that you enjoy what you are doing is what matters. I still have this hook-rug cute Winnie the Pooh thing for my toddler son, and I still haven't finished it. I was too bored with it after awhile. I guess different strokes for different folks, and that's ok. Enjoy yourself with that rug. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 19:42:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7SNgo0m003835 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SNg24d029758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SNfr43086007; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7SNfp43085904 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.1f1.291f85ea (4446) for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.291f85ea.2e627236@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:41:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch & Olympics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the mens swing and track costumes have very little to do with fashion and have more to do with aerodamantics (sp?) Its hard to run fast wearing baggy shorts. and to swin for that matter, most of the woman in the trakc and swwin events also wore very tight outfits for the same reason. I for one enjoyed watching the men in there swim and track costumes. attractive, althetic men in tight clothes not too mouch of a problem for me... but thats me... Betty Adorno A.K.A Pandora the Faerie Faeries, Ink. http://www.faeriesink.fws1.com 919-606-7457 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 20:57:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T0vsiE004385 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:57:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T0uw4d005099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T0uq43023279; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T0un43023254 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7T1HFhA018417 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7T1HFVS018416 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408290117.i7T1HFVS018416@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: <4130FC7E.9060406@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! What > were the Italians thinking??? Obviously brought to you by the same folks that "thunked up" Mall Crawler Baggies (as those enormangous jeans are called around here) Susan (who is **so** thankful that her 16yo thinks they're hideous too!) > > otsisto wrote: > > >I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to > >look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 21:18:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T1Iqeq004480 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:18:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T1IA4d006917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T1I643034212; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from krwoodworks.com (krwoodworks.com [65.18.190.119]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T1HQ43033237 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mara@rileyhome.net) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325862pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.7.219]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by krwoodworks.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7T1H579030223 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:17:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: krwoodworks.com: krwoodwor owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040828211614.023f4488@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:16:38 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Anne's Lace/OT In-Reply-To: <006301c4827a$49ea4f50$0200a8c0@MOM> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Coming in late -- was Queen Anne's Lace called something else before it got that name? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 21:50:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T1o0dK004722 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T1nB4d009456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:49:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T1n843049504; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m1.nyc.test.juno.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7T1n643049416 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVCPRYA68F3F2 for (sender ); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Olq81M1UfnabUWfAZQtrCSo= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J56SPEZ5; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:47:48 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:15:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Message-ID: <20040828.184645.308.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 14:7:1475122841 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 b1edb9cde545d53c00e52178454c1dfc8d086db83c416da5d82c0c3df8750c35493135a53959310505f53d9d35dc38cd5cd1ac9c5cd8f559f85c28dc9848dd68d8c94df17d4d616898c11c5dc8157191ec9c09918c3c0dc5d5e17dc5b1a119b18c6c3519080801d565b1a5f9e5298da95c293c0135e129f9003c853d8d9941a59d35cda53159b958f5699558a8eda9a8317ca1110598d9dd38ecd848dde871d89588b55961c548f15d1c2d5dc1c5b5890d25918c6915b1ec6c15ccb878ac083d2dac65552165cce59d19d54cbd010c5c293c01350ca5298101380c998128393df9b9a5c13905b94d7c99b9bc28cd5c095caddc98a8d85c38f138f5d9f8d598c9 d968d87998f168214d48688915b55d4c5dc5eccc09255d556d551c6ce958ccfc6c652531cc6d65f9d1a811a895d95cd8dda9d93861d9cd01584c3d581da5c93d49ed11ad9905e84db9ad75f80dac5dac6ce98ccc5525e9d5fc69797dd57d452d19216d082d018d2d8cc809c1a109594d41e9e889c50d25ace9853599cc19550cbc9d319d28a87c5cf511a8a9dda83908f92de1f9008d38e18181ed4958f9adf5a531b969683111ed388ca1c5a10d559cec6cac55e9e555c1f5c99571c918dc7df8d989f191692168c591e91d4ca54c49e13949e19981e19981e90955d5b1ac7d317dfc01bd792d7d29b8d1a8dda818dc3818dc61f8dc61 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's so dreadful it looks like a caricature! Ick poohie burn it!!! :P Arlys On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Susan Farmer writes: > > > > Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! > What > > were the Italians thinking??? > > Obviously brought to you by the same folks that "thunked up" Mall > Crawler > Baggies (as those enormangous jeans are called around here) > > Susan (who is **so** thankful that her 16yo thinks they're hideous > too!) > > > > > otsisto wrote: > > > > >I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not > trying to > > >look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 22:05:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T25HLL004835 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:05:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T24e4d010665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T24b43057536; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41101.mail.yahoo.com (web41101.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7T24X43057452 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from salunra@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040829020428.42613.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.251.194] by web41101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:04:28 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "salunra@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408281800.i7SI0j45094299@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 691 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, A very close friend of mine is a perfessional research historian, and her main field of study is the authorship of Shakespeare. As I have it, you are very correct the strongest case right now is for Edward DeVere the 17th Earl of Oxford. As for Elizabeth ever having children. I do not have the sources at my finger tips, but there is evidence that Elizabeth did indeed have at least one child who was fostered out and grew up to be the Earl of Southhampton (urgh... Im having on of those moments where names escape me). DeVere was the father. Much of this can be found in Charlton Ogburns, "The Mysterious William Shakespeare", but unfortunatly a lot of it in unpublished or in very obscure publications. -Moon > It has of course been surmised that Elizabeth did this when the > "Virgin" queen was actually pregnant with Francis Bacon and this > becomes even more strange because Francis Bacon is now thought to have > actually been William Shakespeare or if not the man know to the public > as Shakespeare then he was at least the penman of all Shakespearean > works. All very interesting stuff. There are mountains of paper written on Shakespearean authorship. I got tired of reading the arguments years ago, but when last I looked, it seemed that there was a much better case for DeVere than Bacon, if you don't want to believe that it was actually Shakespeare himself. I don't know if the Bacon theory is held to be tenable these days at all. I would be similarly skeptical about the enduring but apparently unproven rumors of Elizabeth's illegitimate child(ren), and I don't think I've ever heard anyone seriously suggest that Bacon was Elizabeth's son. You might want to do a little more serious searching in the current historical literature (and I mean the academic literature rather than popular biographies) before you put your faith behind that one. Maybe there's evidence, but I'd approach this one with extreme caution. --Robin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 22:25:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T2PnZr005072 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:25:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2PA4d012299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2P943069104; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2P443068993 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 4D4601801C4C for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:24:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2004 02:24:48 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 22E95C6129; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:24:48 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:24:48 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:24:48 +0000 Subject: QE I's Children and Bacon...Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040829022448.22E95C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I stumbled across this site once and it just about makes me start foaming at the mouth to read it. http://www.sirbacon.org/toc.html Some of the information is down-right laughable some of it is just silly. For example, if you go into the Bacon slide show section and click on "A Pregnant 'Virgin' Queen?" (http://www.sirbacon.org/slides_html/sld006.htm) you will see a copy of the famouns portrait (c. 1600) usually entitled "a Lady in Persian dress" or something like that with the following points beside it: "A portrait of Queen Elizabeth I in maternity dress supports the case for her having borne children" and "Embedded in the painting is a sonnet that refers to her feelings toward her concealed offspring." These statements are rather ridiculous since the author hasn't been following current scholarship about this painting. First of all it was painted around 1600 when Elizabeth would have been too old for pregnancy to be likely. Secondly, the lady is clearly in masque dress not "maternity dress." Thirdly, the most recent article I've read about this painting is by Roy Strong and he has a strong case for it being Leiscter's wife (the son, not Robert), based on the iconography employed by the artist. IIRC, it has also been suggested that it is actually Elizabeth Vernon, Countess of Southampton. Either way, it is clearly not a portrait of a pregnant Elizabeth. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > I would be similarly skeptical about the enduring but apparently unproven > rumors of Elizabeth's illegitimate child(ren), and I don't think I've ever > heard anyone seriously suggest that Bacon was Elizabeth's son. You might > want to do a little more serious searching in the current historical > literature (and I mean the academic literature rather than popular > biographies) before you put your faith behind that one. Maybe there's > evidence, but I'd approach this one with extreme caution. > > --Robin -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 22:41:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T2fkxc005419 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:41:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2f64d013795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2f443078913; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2f243078857 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B393018004BD for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:40:56 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2004 02:40:56 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9F00BE5BC7; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:40:56 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:40:56 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:40:56 +0000 Subject: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 691 X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040829024056.9F00BE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would be very curious to know more about any credible scholarship concerning the queen's supposed childern. I am not familiar with Ogburns' work but I have read in multiple sources that she was terrified of childbirth. Secondly, Henry Wriothesley the 3rd Earl of Southampton spent most of his adult life in Elizabeth's bad books, including multiple stays in the Tower (which would be very surprising if he was her son). Indeed, his famous portrait, which is hanging next to his wife's (Elizabeth Vernon) in Boughton House, was painted to commemorate one of his stays in the tower. There is also a number of scholars who believe that Shakespeare's sonnets were written to/about Wriothesley, Elizabeth Vernon, or both of them. Which, if DeVere was his father, as well as the author or Shakespears's works would make the entire situation decidedly incestuous and very sordid. Just my two pence worth, Danielle > Hi all, > > A very close friend of mine is a perfessional research historian, and her main field of study is the authorship of Shakespeare. As I have it, you are very correct the strongest case right now is for Edward DeVere the 17th Earl of Oxford. > > As for Elizabeth ever having children. I do not have the sources at my finger tips, but there is evidence that Elizabeth did indeed have at least one child who was fostered out and grew up to be the Earl of Southhampton (urgh... Im having on of those moments where names escape me). DeVere was the father. > > Much of this can be found in Charlton Ogburns, "The Mysterious William Shakespeare", but unfortunatly a lot of it in unpublished or in very obscure publications. > > > > -Moon -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 22:58:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T2wqYQ005568 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:58:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2wA4d014985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2w443087101; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T2w244087074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-75.sonic.net [209.148.112.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7T2w0Rs027936 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:58:01 -0700 Message-ID: <41314658.4040309@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:58:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: QE I's Children and Bacon...Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: <20040829022448.22E95C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20040829022448.22E95C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did some reading on the did-Shakespeare-write-Shakespeare question when I was reading a bio of Christopher Marlowe (Charles Nicholl's _The Reckoning: The Murder of Christopher Marlowe_) and Anthony Burgess's fine novel _A Dead Man in Deptford_. One body of Shakespeare conspiracy theorists believes Marlowe wrote all of Shakespeare. Despite the fact that Marlowe's own body was dead and buried partway through Shakespeare's career. My opinion is that if there is any non-Shakespeare authorship it is coauthorship with other professional playwrights, who were not credited when the plays were published because Shakespeare's name sold better. Which in itself might have been enough to trigger those "upstart crow" comments. Another body of speculation centers on the identity of the Dark Lady of the sonnets. My feeling is that poetry is a form of fiction and that Shakespeare may have invented continuing "characters" for his sonnets, each of which was based on several different real people. Just as novelists often do. Really all the poet needed was a suitable framework for expressing certain emotions. It did not have to correspond one-to-one with reality. I am not, however, a Shakespeare scholar. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming Two new books on 1870s and 1880s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >I stumbled across this site once and it just about makes me start foaming at the mouth to read it. http://www.sirbacon.org/toc.html Some of the information is down-right laughable some of it is just silly. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 28 23:13:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7T3DGAZ005696 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T3CT4d015682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T3CQ43094024; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T3CO43093934 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-501.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.247.247]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E2246C596 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:12:12 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c48d76$a00117a0$f7f771cb@chris> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040829022448.22E95C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> <41314658.4040309@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:16:48 +1000 Organization: Australian Costume Supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] To Hamlet or not to Hamlet (was QE1 & Bacon) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fact: The original Hamlet was written in Denmark about 100 years before Shakespeare's birth. Shakespeare did not write the play but did a scene-by-scene adaptation of the original without credit to the original. -C. > My opinion is that if there is any non-Shakespeare authorship it is > coauthorship with other professional playwrights, who were not credited _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:19:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3Js4t002033 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TMUj4d017730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TMUgq0086352; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TMUdq0086330 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-78-78.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.78]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TMUaCb024346 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:30:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040829152747.01a50970@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:28:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation1550-1600? In-Reply-To: <4131DD3C.2070202@earthlink.net> References: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I am a woman of considerable size myself. It was the style not the >persons wearing the style to which I was referring. Sorry if there was >any confusion. I would never intentionally criticize that sort of thing. I'm so glad this is indeed the case. BTW, it has been my intention for a while now to do one of the dresses in the middle two examples. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:19:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3Js4v002033 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:19:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TMV74d017756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TMV6q0086562; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TMUfq0086350 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-78-78.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.78]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TMUaCd024346 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:30:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040829153054.019c0d10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:31:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: <029a01c48df3$92b325c0$cb6afea9@sherry> References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <4.1.20040829020857.0197d420@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> I've only seen one portrait of an actual pregnant Elizabethan (=late 16th >> century English) I've ever seen was in the book 'The 16th Century', one of >> a series each covering one century, with all b/w images except in the >> center spread. My copy is, of course, packed away someplace. The woman >in the image is completely uncorseted, and wears a high-waisted dress and a >> sleeveless overdress. Her sleeves, hair, and other accessories look like >> contemporary examples found elsewhere. >Here's one for you: > >http://www.tate.org.uk/magazine/issue4/pearlyqueen_image1.htm > >Likely the one you were thinking of. :-) Yes that's it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:23:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3NSt0002065 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TKMe4d010199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TKMMq0019611; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TKMJq1019574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7TKPUYo005162 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:25:31 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costumeDigest, Vol 3, Issue 691 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:31:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040829024056.9F00BE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <032b01c48dc3$9ccf31a0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> In-Reply-To: <032b01c48dc3$9ccf31a0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408291631.15358.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 29 August 2004 8:27 am, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: [lots o' snippage] > I personally feel that, with Elizabeth's life being as public as it was, it > would be stretching the imagination a bit to think she could possibly have > hidden a pregnancy, let alone several. Pregnancy changes a woman's body in > many ways, not just the abdominal area (heck, my FEET got bigger!) and a > naturally slender woman (which Elizabeth appeared to be) would certainly > not be able to hide such a thing. Particularly from her ladies-in-waiting, as someone else has already pointed out. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:28:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3S2Dn002088 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:28:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGvL4d028047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGvE43010211; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40412.mail.yahoo.com (web40412.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.109]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TGvB43010144 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040829165705.78556.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:57:05 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Corset supply shop in London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I received an email today asking if I knew of any shops in London where the person could buy a busk. I tried to do soming searching through Google, but mostly only found information on goth clothing, Vollers and "busking" (something to do with music?). Does anyone know of any such shops? Thanks, Mary ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:28:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3S2Dp002088 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGbX4d026595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGbU43099610; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGbS43099529 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from Jupiter.plumbnet (d14-69-189-68.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.68.189]) by pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7TGbKq30864 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:37:21 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:39:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <4130FC7E.9060406@earthlink.net> <4.1.20040829014901.01875100@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040829014901.01875100@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408291239.27221.mplumb@wideopenwest.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh gawd, Oxford bags. They looked simply awful. But at least they didn't fall down! I was at Sears once, walking behind a teen wearing the modern loose trousers. He walked right out of them, and made a hasty grab before they reached his knees. It took a heroic effort for me not to collapse in hysterical laughter. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:28:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3S2Dr002088 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGaW4d026520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGaR43099070; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGaP43098996 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 25A3318013A4 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:36:20 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2004 16:36:20 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 07209CA089; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:36:20 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.219.100.126] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:36:19 -0500 From: "kathleen lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:36:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costumeD igest, Vol 3, Issue 691 X-Originating-Ip: 129.219.100.126 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040829163620.07209CA089@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:56:47 +0000 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costumeDigest, Vol 3, Issue 691 > Excellent point! It is something I also believe. Considering her ladies slept in her >chambers...her lover would have had to be a ninja to manage it in the first place... > In addition, I remember reading (although I don't remember where) that one of the Italian (iirc) Ambassadors was bribing the washerwomen who washed Elizabeth's sheets to find out when (and if) she was menstruating. Any way you slice it, Elizabeth lived her life under very close scrutiny, and concealing any pregnancy she had, let alone the birth, would have involved a huge conspiracy. This dosen't even get into the fact that, given the immense pressure on Elizabeth to marry and produce an heir, if she had become pregnant the most likely outcome would have been a "shot-gun" wedding. -Katie Obligatory Costume content- Trying to conceal a pregnancy when you have a army of people helping you get dressed would be almost impossible. Xander: You up for a little reconnaissance? Buffy: You mean where we all sculpt and paint and stuff? Xander: No, that was the Renaissance. -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:31:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3VeNT002128 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:31:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TKCG4d009584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TKCFq0014040; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TKCCq1014019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7TKAiTA019410 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:10:44 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4132389A.8060403@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:12:10 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houpelandes References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829123902.00b13768@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829123902.00b13768@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now it's working! Must have been just a .net weirdness. They look great! I particularly like the man's outfit, and the woman's belt. One of these days I plan to do one of those bell-belts, ie, "My hips aren't big enough, let's put some bells on them!" -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Register to vote! Don't let that other guy win! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:31:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3VeNV002128 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TK8a4d009092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TK8Rq0011887; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TK8Oq1011855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7TKBbR9004846 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:11:37 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:17:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <4.1.20040829020857.0197d420@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040829020857.0197d420@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408291617.20746.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 29 August 2004 5:25 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: [snip] > These four images aren't what I'd call Elizabethan. I'd call them Italian. > And none of the straight fronts shown in the images are the shape of a > pregnant woman. I'd go with the peascod belly theory in Italy, as shown in > examples one and four. The English did a different long pointy waist at > this time, but it isn't the shape of a pregnant woman either. I'm inclined to agree with Carolyn. Among other things, I seem to remember that there was a vogue for dresses with doublet-style bodices in the second half of the 16th century, and the peascod belly was a popular male doublet style. There's a portrait of Robert Dudley that shows a rather impressive one. This isn't the one I was thinking of, but it's similar: http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/dudley2.JPG -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:32:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3WE2h002136 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:32:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TLZI4d014555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TLZEq0057363; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.spiritone.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TLZAq1057311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7TLZ6oT001845 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:35:07 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn, I don't see where "Wicked Frau" was talking about either the person wearing the style, or her size. To my eyes this style flatters no one, be they Twiggy or myself at size (mumble). Note I say "my eyes". If I were seeing the _person_, I'd be wearing something similar, or wishing I could afford it. This illustrates why I'm in the SCA. I can pick a fashion that I believe flatters me. I know there are whole centuries where the clothing makes me look like the Friendship 7 capsule (does this date me?), particularly some Spanish Surcotes. I like Elizabethan because I can go "Bum roll? What bum roll?" or even Hoops? What Hoops? Other styles I avoid the same way I avoided the entire 60's look when I lived them. Was this message just the last straw on a bad day? Been there, done that. Regina Romsey he Italians thinking??? > > > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > I regret that you think women my size are hideous when dressed in late > Italian Ren. costumes. While I can't say I like the styles in two of the > above four examples, the women pictured are pretty nearly my exact dress > size. I am bothered that the word 'hideous' is connected with my dress > size and, by implication, my body shape. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:33:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3XH1e002153 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:33:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0me4d026885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0mbq0063831; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0mYq0063810 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A123BD5A for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829174350.00b13768@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:48:32 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fwiw, Simplicity costume contest. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I went shopping at Joann's today and found the drapery material I wanted at 50% off. While shopping around my husband found out about a contest Joann's and Simplicity is having; a Halloween Costume Contest. It has to be a pattern Simplicity puts out, so those excellent Civil War and other historical patterns people are using, or the LOTR ones, or Matrix, or whatever you may have done or are currently working on would be the ticket. Looks like it is mainly geared at young people, but there is an 18+ age group for us older folks. I found the online site that has more info, for those interested. The contestant is the actual creator of the costume, not the one wearing them. http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/halloween/contest.htm Good luck! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:33:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3XH1g002153 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:33:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0nj4d026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0niq0064349; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0nfq0064319 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6654970718 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:49:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from dialup-a1-34.Melbourne.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-34.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.246.34]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:49:40 +1000 Message-ID: <1093826980.413279a458724@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:49:40 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > occasion. Had I had sons, and had they gone in for giant trousers, I would > have sat on my hands till the phase passed. BTW, in the 1920s, trousers > with hugely wide legs were called 'vacuum cleaner bags', and were popular Ah, yes, but the difference between present baggy pants and Oxford bags (aka vaccuum cleaner bags) is in the depth and cut of the crotch and in the pleating and darting of the waistband. Me? I like the old style bags - hell, I even like the memory of the check baggies with the wide cuff and the three-button waistband we all looked sooooo kool in during the '70s. If I could wear Oxfords or high-waisteds for the rest of my life (bathing excluded), I would. The other difference between the current baggy-arsed jeans and thier ancestors is the lack of parental sewing skills; when are these damned kids gonna have thier jeans taken up to fit at the cuff instead of scuffing them underfoot? Weekly rant done, thank you very much, and now it's back to Monday morning coffees, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:34:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3XH1i002153 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:34:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0a54d025414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0a1q0052321; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U0Zxq0052197 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2D570737 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:35:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from dialup-a1-34.Melbourne.netspace.net.au (dialup-a1-34.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.246.34]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:35:48 +1000 Message-ID: <1093826148.4132766468ea7@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:35:48 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] To Hamlet or not to Hamlet (was QE1 & Bacon) [OT] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Stuart Stegall : > I just wanted to say I did not intentionally mean to bring all this > out-of-topic converstion into being. :) Yes ya did, yes ya did, yes ya did, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3iMoW002194 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:44:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGCO4d025096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGCL43080880; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TGCJ43080850 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.112] (pm7-112.eos.net [205.133.149.112]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7TGCFG5010229 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:12:16 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:08:57 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408290258.i7T2wo44087474@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 692 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > A very close friend of mine is a perfessional research historian, and her main > field of study is the authorship of Shakespeare. As I have it, you are very > correct the strongest case right now is for Edward DeVere the 17th Earl of > Oxford. > > As for Elizabeth ever having children. I do not have the sources at my finger > tips, but there is evidence that Elizabeth did indeed have at least one child > who was fostered out and grew up to be the Earl of Southhampton (urgh... Im > having on of those moments where names escape me). DeVere was the father. > > Much of this can be found in Charlton Ogburns, "The Mysterious William > Shakespeare", but unfortunatly a lot of it in unpublished or in very obscure > publications. Moon: Not to cast aspersions on your friend, but all research historians are not created equal. Look at the guys who wrote the book claiming that the Shroud of Turin is neither a miracle nor a fake -- it's a portrait of Leonardo DaVinci, produced by his experimentation with photography! (BTW, they also wrote one of the books Dan Brown cites as a soure in "The DaVinci Code." Another of his sources, a Frenchman who has done time in jail for fraud, used the same "research" behind his claim that Jesus and Mary Magdalene's secret child founded the Merovigian line also proves that he himself is the rightful king of France.) Just because someone wrote a book or an article, he or she is not automatically an expert. And while you can never dismiss an idea solely because it is not widely held, the fact that "a lot of it is unpublished or in very obscure publications" ought to make you look at it with a BIG grain of salt, and require a LOT of corroborating evidence. Logan Pearsall Smith wrote a wonderful book called "On Reading Shakespeare." It starts out with a sentence that reads something like "Thousands and thousands of books have been written about Shakespeare, and most of them are mad." The same can be said for most "secret origin" stories. Are they fun to speculate about? Sure, and the more wild the speculation the more fun they are. But are they likely to be true? No. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:47:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3l92m002203 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U02u4d023179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U02jq0034737; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U02gq0034679 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 57FFC1800359 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:02:37 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Aug 2004 00:02:37 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4349EE5BC7; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:02:37 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:02:37 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:02:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset supply shop in London X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040830000237.4349EE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I went to a lumber yard and bought a piece of flat rectangluar moulding which they kindly cut down the correct length for me and then I sanded the edges. It is an easy solution if you want a rectangular busk. On the other hand, if you are looking for a corset busk (metal with studs) go to Kleins near Oxford Circus or check out their website: http://www.kleins.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_CORSETERY___BONING_9.html Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary > Hi all, > > I received an email today asking if I knew of any shops in London > where the person could buy a busk. I tried to do soming searching > through Google, but mostly only found information on goth clothing, > Vollers and "busking" (something to do with music?). Does anyone > know of any such shops? > > Thanks, > Mary > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:49:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3nPuV002213 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:49:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TFZx4d023148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TFZu43061121; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TFZp44061071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7TFYMTA017787 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:34:22 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4131F7D4.9040405@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:35:48 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costumeDigest, Vol 3, Issue 691 References: <20040829145647.E56FC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20040829145647.E56FC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Excellent point! It is something I also believe. Considering her > ladies slept in her chambers... And would know if her monthlies stopped, and if she had morning sickness, and if she was unusually tired, or had cravings. There's so much to notice! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Register to vote! Don't let that other guy win! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:50:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3o4PL002216 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U3nH4d008548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U3n3q0057643; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop2b.ripco.com (root@pop2b.ripco.com [209.100.227.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U3n1q0057606 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zski@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (tcr27.dynip.ripco.net [209.100.226.27]) by pop2b.ripco.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U3mttA000932 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:48:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4132A39E.60200@ripco.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:48:46 -0500 From: zski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200408300050.i7U0nsq2064429@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200408300050.i7U0nsq2064429@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "national" dress at the Olympics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm still smarting that I missed the Opening Ceremonies (Oh where oh where is someone with a tape or disc?) but I was glued to the closing ones. I can't wait till future costume hsitorians try to analyze the "ethnic" costumes of the "Dance of the tacky beach-tourists"! Wendy Z sadly beginning to pack up faire garb in Chicago, IL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:57:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3vuPX002252 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:57:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TIGX4d002577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TIGSq0052550; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TIGPq0052486 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.70.5.120]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20040829181454.GDUN1692.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <029a01c48df3$92b325c0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <4.1.20040829020857.0197d420@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:55:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've only seen one portrait of an actual pregnant Elizabethan (=late 16th > century English) I've ever seen was in the book 'The 16th Century', one of > a series each covering one century, with all b/w images except in the > center spread. My copy is, of course, packed away someplace. The woman in > the image is completely uncorseted, and wears a high-waisted dress and a > sleeveless overdress. Her sleeves, hair, and other accessories look like > contemporary examples found elsewhere. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian Here's one for you: http://www.tate.org.uk/magazine/issue4/pearlyqueen_image1.htm Likely the one you were thinking of. :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3wQar002255 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TEuv4d020939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TEut43041273; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TEur43041190 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 061CE180084A for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:56:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2004 14:56:47 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E56FC3384B; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:56:47 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:56:47 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:56:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costumeDigest, Vol 3, Issue 691 X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040829145647.E56FC3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" > I personally feel that, with Elizabeth's life being as public as it was, it > would be stretching the imagination a bit to think she could possibly have > hidden a pregnancy, let alone several. Pregnancy changes a woman's body in > many ways, not just the abdominal area (heck, my FEET got bigger!) and a > naturally slender woman (which Elizabeth appeared to be) would certainly not > be able to hide such a thing. > > Dianne Excellent point! It is something I also believe. Considering her ladies slept in her chambers...her lover would have had to be a ninja to manage it in the first place...Then of course there is the issue of her use of potenital marriage to her as a political tool. She would have had to haev been a virgin (or at least convince her spouse of it) to make such a political marriage work. If she wasn't a virgin, would she have come so close to marrying her "froggie?" Just more of my opinions on the matter... Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:58:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3wQat002255 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TF3U4d021411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TF3T43044691; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TF3S43044637 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 008A418013E1 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:03:23 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2004 15:03:22 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 16782C6129; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:03:22 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:03:22 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:03:22 +0000 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040829150322.16782C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > I've only seen one portrait of an actual pregnant Elizabethan (=late 16th > century English) I've ever seen was in the book 'The 16th Century', one of > a series each covering one century, with all b/w images except in the > center spread. My copy is, of course, packed away someplace. The woman in > the image is completely uncorseted, and wears a high-waisted dress and a > sleeveless overdress. Her sleeves, hair, and other accessories look like > contemporary examples found elsewhere. Actually, Gheeraerts painted a few of them (there was a small exhibition of 16th c. pregnancy portrauts at the Tate last year - you might be able to get the catalogue from them still). In all the Elizabethan English images I've seen, the women seem to be wearing either a loose kirtle and loose gown or some variation on that until about teh second decade of the 17th century. Kayta, you're right, all the other bits like sleeves & headwear look the same as everyone else's. It has only been in Southern Europe where I have seen women wearing more formal clothing (what I would consider court wear) over an obviously pregnant belly. Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 29 23:58:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U3wQav002255 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TEYB4d019460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TEY743028704; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m1.nyc.test.juno.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TEY543028632 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVD4KCAZLQPHS for (sender ); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Om7ldXDDNmukpom4Eyvg75w= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J576FDK7; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:32:22 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:30:24 -0700 Subject: Re: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Message-ID: <20040829.073147.1548.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7,9-45 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 18:9:3468139444 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 0bb35f9b8efeb3371b27b37b47ce23be23671f3e2f0e2343cf436f4e4bdb3e3b4e3f0e4a3ecf3faa8b6b5b6b170b4f5f1eea0ba30f0b9a77dbbe3adb135e573af7635b6adacb0a1b8a6acaae8fbf23bf4e4b2b3e430e4bfb3b7f9b83fb8387efba37cf5aef777eef2b6e2f7a032fd71b2a4b0a7b678f0ebf4bdefada3eba439fc3734a73936bb74ff35b6bea1e6b975aaaefabaa337ea3abdfdf63f7dbaa6af35e4a8a7fb34a5b63a32b0367038f43021f4ebf434b2e437af35717eb57c79e83ae0b7bfee77f37b367e74b13be5ebef7ab97f7abdadfabdadf4b2f43fbe3bf834a833b77079bef83bb1a8b6b1e6bc79ea3c79e0fae9e0f X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My understanding was that the dress style was 'hideous.' For one, I agree. There are many elegant styles that women of all sizes can wear, and they flatter everyone of every size. Some styles look best on more generous figures. There is nothing flattering about the peascod dress, IMHO, whether the body wearing it is a size 2 (American) or 34. Arlys On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:08:37 -0700 Carolyn Kayta Barrows writes: > Wicked Frau writes, in a message sent 02:43 PM 8/28/04 -0700: > >Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! > What > >were the Italians thinking??? > > > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > I regret that you think women my size are hideous when dressed in > late > Italian Ren. costumes. While I can't say I like the styles in two > of the > above four examples, the women pictured are pretty nearly my exact > dress > size. I am bothered that the word 'hideous' is connected with my > dress > size and, by implication, my body shape. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:08:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U48m7Z002297 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U4814d009655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U47vq0067732; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7U47tq0067672 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004083004074901300hfgcoe>; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:07:49 +0000 Message-ID: <054701c48e46$e8e408d0$6500a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040829165705.78556.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset supply shop in London Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:56:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.staylace.com/resourcelist/supplies.htm This seems to list some in the area, at least two in London proper, they would know if there are more specifically in London. Try giving one of them a call. :) Also try http://www.sewing.co.uk/ since they are there. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Corset supply shop in London : Hi all, : : I received an email today asking if I knew of any shops in London : where the person could buy a busk. I tried to do soming searching : through Google, but mostly only found information on goth clothing, : Vollers and "busking" (something to do with music?). Does anyone : know of any such shops? : : Thanks, : Mary : : ===== : "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." : ~ Jane Austen : : "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:17:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4HQRJ002326 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJeU4d007620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJeRq0097184; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJeOq0097160 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BC95DEFB for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829123940.00b13768@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:40:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:12 AM 8/29/2004 +0000, you wrote: >try posting this questions at the realm of venus yahoogroup.. >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Courtesan/ > >Wilhelmina Thank you for the link. I have applied to the group, and am now waiting authorization. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:17:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4HQRL002326 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJda4d007575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJdXq0096719; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJdWq0096698 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE2C5DE0E for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829123902.00b13768@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:39:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houpelandes In-Reply-To: <4132253D.7090904@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They look very nice. Great work! Kimiko At 08:49 PM 8/29/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have made two houpelandes for a medieval wedding. >Hers was made after a Dutch engagement portrait. >They were very happy with the costumes. >I think the costumes look very well on them. >The pictures are on this page. >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/15thDress.html > >Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:17:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4HQVg002329 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TC0M4d012319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TC0I43051870; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TC0F43051840 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24307 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:06:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:06:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040828234346.02496e40@64.87.54.245> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, Kimiko Small wrote: > On the last two images that are more realistic in its style, I am > wondering if they are artificially padded, or just created over their > real bellies? I know that my own belly has that look because of my > weight. Not very attractive I will admit, but I am not the modern > fashionably thin person, which is why I think a few of you were > disgusted with the look of the Italians in those images. I don't think they're at all disgusting. They look reasonably realistic to me. And given the number of heavy-set women in re-enactment today, they offer a nice alternative to some of the other period styles; you can do this one and not have to warp the silhouette to achieve fit. Some of the front pieces do look padded in structure, but the figures don't look pregnant to me at all. They're proportionally rather top-heavy, and the entire front is forward, not just the belly. I'd think a deliberately "pregnant" look would have more of a rounded, protruding belly. (Though a person could probably *be* pregnant in one of these dresses without it being obvious for quite a while, as is the case with certain other historic fashions.) The look is large, but that doesn't necessarily mean an attempt to mimic pregnancy. I'll second Kimiko's comment that many of us have this shape naturally. The modern flat-belly "ideal" is not at all natural (or achievable!) for most *adult* women. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:17:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4HQVi002329 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:17:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TCSa4d013664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TCSY43065211; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TCSW44065140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3267ADBE35 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CDF85DC03E for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <032b01c48dc3$9ccf31a0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040829024056.9F00BE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costumeDigest, Vol 3, Issue 691 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:27:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Elizabeth's children & Shakespear...Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costumeDigest, Vol 3, Issue 691 > I would be very curious to know more about any credible scholarship concerning the queen's supposed childern. I am not familiar with Ogburns' work but I have read in multiple sources that she was terrified of childbirth. Secondly, Henry Wriothesley the 3rd Earl of Southampton spent most of his adult life in Elizabeth's bad books, including multiple stays in the Tower (which would be very surprising if he was her son). Indeed, his famous portrait, which is hanging next to his wife's (Elizabeth Vernon) in Boughton House, was painted to commemorate one of his stays in the tower.>> I personally feel that, with Elizabeth's life being as public as it was, it would be stretching the imagination a bit to think she could possibly have hidden a pregnancy, let alone several. Pregnancy changes a woman's body in many ways, not just the abdominal area (heck, my FEET got bigger!) and a naturally slender woman (which Elizabeth appeared to be) would certainly not be able to hide such a thing. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:36:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4abCS010491 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:36:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TIns4d004593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TInpq0070642; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TInnq0070461 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0331.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.76]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE441BE88C for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4132253D.7090904@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:49:33 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Houpelandes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have made two houpelandes for a medieval wedding. Hers was made after a Dutch engagement portrait. They were very happy with the costumes. I think the costumes look very well on them. The pictures are on this page. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/15thDress.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:36:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4abCU010491 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:36:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJNn4d006614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJNiq0088104; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJNgq0087953 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-cb01-0331.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.76]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658213191DB for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41322D32.9010002@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:23:30 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houpelandes References: <4132253D.7090904@kabelfoon.nl> <41322C07.4080105@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They are working with Netscape and explorer Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > >> The pictures are on this page. >> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/15thDress.html > > > My browser thinks the pictures are not there -- just icons for broken > picture-links. Could you double-check? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 00:36:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U4abCW010491 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJIn4d006198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJIaq0085472; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TJIYq1085448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7TJH5TA019122 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:17:05 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41322C07.4080105@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:18:31 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houpelandes References: <4132253D.7090904@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <4132253D.7090904@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > The pictures are on this page. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/15thDress.html My browser thinks the pictures are not there -- just icons for broken picture-links. Could you double-check? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Register to vote! Don't let that other guy win! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 02:52:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U6pxdU029972 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:51:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TDgK4d017155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TDgE43002223; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TDgD43002208 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C1Pwh-0001vA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4131DD3C.2070202@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:42:20 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? References: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am a woman of considerable size myself. It was the style not the persons wearing the style to which I was referring. Sorry if there was any confusion. I would never intentionally criticize that sort of thing. Saragrace Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Wicked Frau writes, in a message sent 02:43 PM 8/28/04 -0700: > > >>Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! What >>were the Italians thinking??? >> >> >I regret that you think women my size are hideous when dressed in late >Italian Ren. costumes. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 02:52:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U6pxdW029972 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T4U14d019945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T4Tu43036529; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7T4Tr43036483 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stuart@footworkmedia.com) Received: (qmail 61670 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 04:29:50 -0000 Received: from c-24-0-30-107.client.comcast.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (24.0.30.107) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 04:29:50 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.0.30.107 Message-ID: <41315BD2.7030600@footworkmedia.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:30:10 -0500 From: Stuart Stegall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] To Hamlet or not to Hamlet (was QE1 & Bacon) [OT] References: <20040829022448.22E95C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> <41314658.4040309@lavoltapress.com> <001701c48d76$a00117a0$f7f771cb@chris> In-Reply-To: <001701c48d76$a00117a0$f7f771cb@chris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to say I did not intentionally mean to bring all this out-of-topic converstion into being. :) Christopher Ballis wrote: > Fact: The original Hamlet was written in Denmark about 100 years before > Shakespeare's birth. Shakespeare did not write the play but did a > scene-by-scene adaptation of the original without credit to the original. > > -C. > > >>My opinion is that if there is any non-Shakespeare authorship it is >>coauthorship with other professional playwrights, who were not credited > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 02:52:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U6pxdY029972 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T5kq4d024281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T5km43073759; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:46:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20328.mail.yahoo.com (web20328.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.33]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7T5kk43073732 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040829054645.4047.qmail@web20328.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.243.212.205] by web20328.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:46:45 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408280201.i7S21H45003311@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 689 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny wrote: > Olympics. One thing is really bothering me about > the Olympics is the men's shorts for track and > field, and the men's wrestling all-in-one suits. > The uniforms are so tight in the crotch, that you > can tell if the men are circumcised or not. I have Odd... durring my 3 years on an intercollegate track team, I never notices such, um, intimate details of my teammates! Or of the opposing teams... furthermore, a big discussion at practice amongst the faster guys was always whether or not to wear anything under the speedsuits (which are those spandex unitards; I don't recall any special name for the spandex shorts. While I'm at it, the bikini-bottom style shorts on the ladies are called "buns"). As for what the designers were thinking: speed and providing less drag :-) I can only surmise about the wrestlers, but suspect that it has more to do with *not* providing one's opponent with anything extra to grab than anything else... Hope this gives you a little insight from a former girl-jock! 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Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 02:56:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U6u1iA031625 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAnL4d008606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAnJ43017673; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAnH43017660 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:49:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D372AA82 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:49:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t1p390.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.136]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 43F35D3F3 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:49:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Wicked Frau writes, in a message sent 02:43 PM 8/28/04 -0700: >Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! What >were the Italians thinking??? ___ > ~~~~~~ I got the impression that it was the style of dress and not the dress size or woman wearing it that the individual considers hideous. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 03:29:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U7TnoW007308 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:29:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TATX4d007877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TATX43008424; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:29:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAQZ43007073 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:26:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-95-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.95.233]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TAQbEX032608 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:26:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:08:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: <4130FC7E.9060406@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked Frau writes, in a message sent 02:43 PM 8/28/04 -0700: >Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! What >were the Italians thinking??? > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG I regret that you think women my size are hideous when dressed in late Italian Ren. costumes. While I can't say I like the styles in two of the above four examples, the women pictured are pretty nearly my exact dress size. I am bothered that the word 'hideous' is connected with my dress size and, by implication, my body shape. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 03:30:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U7TnoY007308 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:30:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TASU4d007816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAQZ43007074; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAQX43007046 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-95-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.95.233]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TAQbEV032608 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040829014901.01875100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:52:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <200408290117.i7T1HFVS018416@sabre.goldsword.com> References: <4130FC7E.9060406@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Susan (who is **so** thankful that her 16yo thinks they're hideous too!) After all the costuming I did before having kids, I resolved to never make fun of what they wore as long as it was marginally appropriate for the occasion. Had I had sons, and had they gone in for giant trousers, I would have sat on my hands till the phase passed. BTW, in the 1920s, trousers with hugely wide legs were called 'vacuum cleaner bags', and were popular among some college students. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 05:31:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U9VPv3010106 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:31:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7684d027814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T75v43013430; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T75t43013401 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF85B707 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040828234346.02496e40@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:58:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:48 PM 8/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to >look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG Those are interesting styles. I just did my husband's English peascod style, but didn't pad the tummy because... well he provides his own padding. On the last two images that are more realistic in its style, I am wondering if they are artificially padded, or just created over their real bellies? I know that my own belly has that look because of my weight. Not very attractive I will admit, but I am not the modern fashionably thin person, which is why I think a few of you were disgusted with the look of the Italians in those images. I can see from the images that the ladies have that double chin and fuller fingers as I have, so they actually are well fed women. The third image looks like this may actually be her real body, as it fits closely from about her chest on down. The fourth image looks looser at the top than at her full tummy area, and yet she does have that double chin and fuller fingers. And it is clear that wearing horizontal stripes really does make the woman look even wider than she is. What I wonder then is ... do they want that full belly look to be seen as full figured women? Or to appear to be pregnant? Or both? I admit I am a complete newbie to Italian styles, but I am want to learn more, because if I can make an historical garment that embraces my real body type, hey, that's what I want to try. It might offend our modern sense of fashion, but I admit again that I do not like modern fashions. I also have a few friends who do Italian, and would love to hang with them at certain faires. So, if anyone here has any insight to Italian clothes such as these, please let me know. And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top of the bodice? Looking further at the site, I am seeing more images of this, and gather that this was the fashion. Why? If someone can point me to other sites with answers, I would appreciate your help. Kimiko (hehehee... another location to begin researching.) Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 05:31:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U9VPv5010106 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7CK4d028303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7CJ43016557; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f14.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.14]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7CH43016515 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:12:12 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.118 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:12:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.118] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:12:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2004 07:12:12.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[81AE7A10:01C48D97] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO try posting this questions at the realm of venus yahoogroup.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Courtesan/ Wilhelmina >From: Kimiko Small >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation >1550-1600?) >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:58:52 -0700 > >At 02:48 PM 8/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to >>look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > >Those are interesting styles. I just did my husband's English peascod >style, but didn't pad the tummy because... well he provides his own >padding. > >On the last two images that are more realistic in its style, I am wondering >if they are artificially padded, or just created over their real bellies? I >know that my own belly has that look because of my weight. Not very >attractive I will admit, but I am not the modern fashionably thin person, >which is why I think a few of you were disgusted with the look of the >Italians in those images. > >I can see from the images that the ladies have that double chin and fuller >fingers as I have, so they actually are well fed women. The third image >looks like this may actually be her real body, as it fits closely from >about her chest on down. The fourth image looks looser at the top than at >her full tummy area, and yet she does have that double chin and fuller >fingers. And it is clear that wearing horizontal stripes really does make >the woman look even wider than she is. What I wonder then is ... do they >want that full belly look to be seen as full figured women? Or to appear to >be pregnant? Or both? > >I admit I am a complete newbie to Italian styles, but I am want to learn >more, because if I can make an historical garment that embraces my real >body type, hey, that's what I want to try. It might offend our modern sense >of fashion, but I admit again that I do not like modern fashions. I also >have a few friends who do Italian, and would love to hang with them at >certain faires. So, if anyone here has any insight to Italian clothes such >as these, please let me know. > >And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top >of the bodice? Looking further at the site, I am seeing more images of >this, and gather that this was the fashion. Why? If someone can point me to >other sites with answers, I would appreciate your help. > >Kimiko >(hehehee... another location to begin researching.) > >Kimiko Small >Owner ~ DreamTime Studios >http://www.dreamtime-studios.com >Fresno, CA, USA > >"When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 05:31:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U9VPv7010106 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7Cd4d028323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7Cd43016724; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f11.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7T7CJ43016517 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wishingonasta60@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:12:12 -0700 Received: from 66.25.127.118 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:12:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.25.127.118] X-Originating-Email: [wishingonasta60@hotmail.com] X-Sender: wishingonasta60@hotmail.com From: "teawithablackdragon *" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:12:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2004 07:12:12.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[8192DBC0:01C48D97] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO try posting this questions at the realm of venus yahoogroup.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Courtesan/ Wilhelmina >From: Kimiko Small >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation >1550-1600?) >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:58:52 -0700 > >At 02:48 PM 8/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to >>look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > >Those are interesting styles. I just did my husband's English peascod >style, but didn't pad the tummy because... well he provides his own >padding. > >On the last two images that are more realistic in its style, I am wondering >if they are artificially padded, or just created over their real bellies? I >know that my own belly has that look because of my weight. Not very >attractive I will admit, but I am not the modern fashionably thin person, >which is why I think a few of you were disgusted with the look of the >Italians in those images. > >I can see from the images that the ladies have that double chin and fuller >fingers as I have, so they actually are well fed women. The third image >looks like this may actually be her real body, as it fits closely from >about her chest on down. The fourth image looks looser at the top than at >her full tummy area, and yet she does have that double chin and fuller >fingers. And it is clear that wearing horizontal stripes really does make >the woman look even wider than she is. What I wonder then is ... do they >want that full belly look to be seen as full figured women? Or to appear to >be pregnant? Or both? > >I admit I am a complete newbie to Italian styles, but I am want to learn >more, because if I can make an historical garment that embraces my real >body type, hey, that's what I want to try. It might offend our modern sense >of fashion, but I admit again that I do not like modern fashions. I also >have a few friends who do Italian, and would love to hang with them at >certain faires. So, if anyone here has any insight to Italian clothes such >as these, please let me know. > >And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top >of the bodice? Looking further at the site, I am seeing more images of >this, and gather that this was the fashion. Why? If someone can point me to >other sites with answers, I would appreciate your help. > >Kimiko >(hehehee... another location to begin researching.) > >Kimiko Small >Owner ~ DreamTime Studios >http://www.dreamtime-studios.com >Fresno, CA, USA > >"When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 05:33:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7U9X9ie010121 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TDPH4d016227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TDPC43093011; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TDP743092882 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVDYHTACSWYBA for (sender ); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17898 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 13:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.17.81) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 13:23:49 -0000 Message-ID: <007201c48dcb$69375d10$5111bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.1.20040829015516.018d5a40@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: hideous? (was Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:23:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 13:6:1995669264 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 85f558e8355cf509a875f5a9189dd9ecd9ddc971dcc8d9b55db5d888c145714d881cc801715d1ce5e12c412cb885f958993985cd3185218c45ec6d4555d57c6d78004149088d95a8bd4929ed4861d96188c1f871b5c8c1914dd1e8899189c59c69095d159c8c259cf8b9dc1198dc28a8ccc195a9dd48c861c1652d087169b56c1d4c014c3c2c0cf9a5412c39992c1915e59cfce5a125cdfc7979007845e549a5d501bdd1f5014100cdf898dd9848b538c98861b5c168b511a57cb8bc7c813d89ed85a95cadd109f5ddadc155ecd5ec78fc1978fc0879fc0879c1dcb591f1618901894d8c0de89c89ac7de12c992c813dcd813d31ed3d31 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofMZaxD7DUhl7ZEWOxsM6OVgbnHTIOzV8v X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think there was any reference made to dress size, merely to dress style... > Wicked Frau writes, in a message sent 02:43 PM 8/28/04 -0700: > >Is that what that style of dress is? I just think it is hideous! What > >were the Italians thinking??? > > > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > >>http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > I regret that you think women my size are hideous when dressed in late > Italian Ren. costumes. While I can't say I like the styles in two of the > above four examples, the women pictured are pretty nearly my exact dress > size. I am bothered that the word 'hideous' is connected with my dress > size and, by implication, my body shape. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 06:41:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UAfEbq010373 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TATh4d007898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TATg43008496; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7TAQc43007094 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-95-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.95.233]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7TAQbEZ032608 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:26:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040829020857.0197d420@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:25:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? In-Reply-To: References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG >No this happened during the latter part of the rein of Elizabeth I ... Queen >from 1558 thru 1603. They still wore the corsets they >just had these pillows to make it look like a "low" pregnancy. These four images aren't what I'd call Elizabethan. I'd call them Italian. And none of the straight fronts shown in the images are the shape of a pregnant woman. I'd go with the peascod belly theory in Italy, as shown in examples one and four. The English did a different long pointy waist at this time, but it isn't the shape of a pregnant woman either. I've only seen one portrait of an actual pregnant Elizabethan (=late 16th century English) I've ever seen was in the book 'The 16th Century', one of a series each covering one century, with all b/w images except in the center spread. My copy is, of course, packed away someplace. The woman in the image is completely uncorseted, and wears a high-waisted dress and a sleeveless overdress. Her sleeves, hair, and other accessories look like contemporary examples found elsewhere. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 06:47:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UAlF35010383 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:47:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UAjw4d029376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UAjnq0062723; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UAjiq0062639 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.149.193]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id i7UAjXn8029975 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:45:34 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c48e7e$64190000$c195d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: elizabethan pregnancy etc. Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:39:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7UAlF35010383 Status: RO > > It has of course been surmised that > > Elizabeth did this when the "Virgin" queen was actually pregnant with Francis > > Bacon and this becomes even more strange because > > Francis Bacon is now thought to have actually been William Shakespeare or if > > not the man know to the public as Shakespeare then he > > was at least the penman of all Shakespearean works. All very interesting > > stuff. > > > > Interesting or ridiculous? I guess it depends on your point of view. > > Gail Finke I think the interesting element is how people come up with and believe in these theories, to quote Terry Pratchett (in Hogfather) "It's amazing how good governments are, given their track record in almost every other field, at hushing up things like alien encounters. [.] The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head." I also encountered the Marlowe is Shakespeare theory a few months ago I can't say I'm convinced but plenty of people seem to believe it Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra Australia ewalpole@austar.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 08:17:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UCHim4011949 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:17:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCH14d004632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCGvq0004560; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:16:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7UCGuq0004500 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pagansoccermom@netzero.net) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVGGXHA3E6GH2 for (sender ); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20558 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 12:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO susyhp) (63.188.40.170) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 12:15:50 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c48e8b$109ba290$aa28bc3f@susyhp> From: "Susy" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1093826980.413279a458724@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:2822263790 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: HdyqQQTNgAkMx9lp68PFujYm/6Ua55ofbvCRfUWb9Fbd/fKTv+DlRcB/IiXFR9BI X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Scuffing them underfoot is part of the look. My girls have to have their pants long enough to scuff regardless of their heel height. They do not wear the loose style, rather the hip huggers, but the legs have got to be long. My neice, who is 22, is steadily improving her sewing skills and is making quite a bit of her clothing for work. I recently helped construct a duct tape double and altered some patterns to give her the right fit... we had to lengthen the pant legs so that they would scuff the ground behind her three inch heels. Oh well, at least the pants fit properly! As for inadvertant drawer dropping... I see no reason not to at least giggle... they chose to entertain me with their attire or lack of it, why not show them my appreciation? I get distinct pleasure tormenting my eldest daughter's boy friend about not leaving anything to the imagination, and saving the show for intimate moments. ( I realize drawing attention to intimacy only makes it more uncomfortable for my 18 year old sweethearts which is just fine by me ) Guess I could be more considerate, but where is the wicked enjoyment in that? Susy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers > > occasion. Had I had sons, and had they gone in for giant trousers, I would > > have sat on my hands till the phase passed. BTW, in the 1920s, trousers > > with hugely wide legs were called 'vacuum cleaner bags', and were popular > > Ah, yes, but the difference between present baggy pants and Oxford bags (aka > vaccuum cleaner bags) is in the depth and cut of the crotch and in the pleating > and darting of the waistband. > > Me? I like the old style bags - hell, I even like the memory of the check > baggies with the wide cuff and the three-button waistband we all looked sooooo > kool in during the '70s. If I could wear Oxfords or high-waisteds for the rest > of my life (bathing excluded), I would. > > The other difference between the current baggy-arsed jeans and thier ancestors > is the lack of parental sewing skills; when are these damned kids gonna have > thier jeans taken up to fit at the cuff instead of scuffing them underfoot? > > Weekly rant done, thank you very much, and now it's back to Monday morning > coffees, > > -C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 08:41:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UCfPhM012098 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:41:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCeh4d005756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCefq0015589; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCebq0015565 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:40:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7UCeYG5001545 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:40:35 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:37:21 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408300049.i7U0nsq1064429@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "pearly queen" painting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All right, now that I've seen it I'd take that gown myself, even if it WERE a fashion to wear a fake pregnant belly! It would be worth it! Did you notice that this painting was a tax payment? I didn't know until recently that the US government accepts paintings as tax payments too, although not often. And ours are usually works by the painters, not family heirlooms. Gail Finke >> Here's one for you: >> >> http://www.tate.org.uk/magazine/issue4/pearlyqueen_image1.htm >> >> Likely the one you were thinking of. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 08:44:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UCiFKK012109 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:44:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UChf4d005928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UChdq0017131; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UChbq0017104 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:43:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7UChYG5002972 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:34 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:40:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408300049.i7U0nsq1064429@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] houppelandes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Derdere: Those look great! No wonder they are pleased. Did you make the lady's headdress too? How does it work? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 08:52:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UCqjoq012141 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:52:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCq04d006326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UCpwq0020785; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53109.mail.yahoo.com (web53109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7UCpvq0020729 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040830103422.85165.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.142.94] by web53109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:34:22 BST Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:34:22 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?julian=20wilson?= To: triade@kabelfoon.nl In-Reply-To: <41322D32.9010002@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] broken links to "Peasant dress" pics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I'm running Exporer on a 2000Pro platform, and there are two broken-link-to-pic icons still coming up under the "Peasant Dress" every time I try the link. Just thought you ought to know, Julian Wilson, in "olde" Jersey, [collecting references for our Companie's Mistress of The Robes] Deredere Galbraith wrote: SNIP They are working with Netscape and explorer SNIP >> The pictures are on this page. >> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/15thDress.html --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 09:02:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UD2fHi012208 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:02:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UD1t4d006882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UD1rq0025384; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UD1oq1025286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17717DBC6F for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B5BDDBCEF for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <07b301c48e91$0b164ef0$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "pearly queen" painting Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:58:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: "pearly queen" painting > > All right, now that I've seen it I'd take that gown myself, even if it WERE > a fashion to wear a fake pregnant belly! It would be worth it! > > Did you notice that this painting was a tax payment? I didn't know until > recently that the US government accepts paintings as tax payments too, > although not often. And ours are usually works by the painters, not family > heirlooms. > > Gail Finke I love the way the ties from her ruff come down and catch the pearl necklace in the middle. What an exquisite gown! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEMCtD012505 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:22:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UELC4d012450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEL2q0071274; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav20.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.124]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEKdq0070918 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:20:22 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav20.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:20:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040828234346.02496e40@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:20:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 14:20:22.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C651C20:01C48E9C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying to > >look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top > of the bodice? Actually, they would seem to me to be below the top of the bodice, totally enclosed in it, rather than above the top. I think the very low cut bodice we're used to seeing at faire were not as frequent as we seem to think they were. Most period images will have the breasts almost, if not entirely, hidden inside the bodice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:23:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UENQTV012510 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:23:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEMS4d012605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEMSq0072261; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav16.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEM8q0071963 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:22:02 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav16.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:22:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4130FC7E.9060406@earthlink.net> <4.1.20040829014901.01875100@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:22:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 14:22:02.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7B855D0:01C48E9C] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > BTW, in the 1920s, trousers > with hugely wide legs were called 'vacuum cleaner bags', and were popular > among some college students. You also had the (in)famous zoot suits, that had very wide legs (narrow at the bottom, though), that were a kind of rebel fashion. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:26:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEQwXR012537 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEQH4d012964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:26:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEQDq0074849; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7UEQBq0074722 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVGQGFAXYK9U2 for (sender ); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OoGiABWQCylsPJTzwwg5MpU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J6AQDD2A; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:24:20 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:20:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset supply shop in London Message-ID: <20040830.072321.1608.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-7,9-31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2305525227 X-MAIL-INFO: 27a1d501a5d950a184a5003d9509add5313d20ad35e584ade100cd59ed59a0a9c970f959509450c0617538c9fd61b4f974c994b49d35b1b4546d24406040f47d55ed41405d715dd13019295585300441e955710409a000f000708d49708da9618da96109d90d8144a1292d29a520e0109129e5f96dd4edd440c42140c43041c430 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Busking is a term used by entertainers at Renn Faires and similiar activities. Basically, performers go and do their thing, then pass the hat. Tried an alternate spelling, maybe 'busque'? Arlys On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Mary writes: > Hi all, > > I received an email today asking if I knew of any shops in London > where the person could buy a busk. I tried to do soming searching > through Google, but mostly only found information on goth clothing, > Vollers and "busking" (something to do with music?). Does anyone > know of any such shops? > > Thanks, > Mary > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think > I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:41:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEfLo5012682 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:41:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEed4d014401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEebq0085079; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:40:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51407.mail.yahoo.com (web51407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.186]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7UEeXq0084995 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040830143936.28920.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.240.171.110] by web51407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:39:36 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408300050.i7U0nsq2064429@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO - It is the current fashion in younger persons' jeans to have the edges ragged. Some folks even pick apart the seam to make the fray! Just wanted to shock you on a monday, ~Angelique Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEi0He012691 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEhH4d014646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEhFq0086905; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40404.mail.yahoo.com (web40404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7UEh9q0086807 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040830144303.84444.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:43:03 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200408300050.i7U0nsq2064429@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Corset supply shop in London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Danielle! Although she wasn't specific, I believe that she meant the 2 piece busk with studs. I will pass this info on to her. ~Mary > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:02:37 +0000 > From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset supply shop in London > > Greetings, > > I went to a lumber yard and bought a piece of flat rectangluar > moulding which they kindly cut down the correct length for me and > then I sanded the edges. It is an easy solution if you want a > rectangular busk. On the other hand, if you are looking for a > corset busk (metal with studs) go to Kleins near Oxford Circus or > check out their website: > http://www.kleins.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_CORSETERY___BONING_9.html > > Cheers, > Danielle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary > > Hi all, > > > > I received an email today asking if I knew of any shops in London > > where the person could buy a busk. I tried to do soming > searching > > through Google, but mostly only found information on goth > clothing, > > Vollers and "busking" (something to do with music?). Does anyone > > know of any such shops? > > > > Thanks, > > Mary ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:44:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEiXlw012697 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEhq4d014733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEhpq0087374; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEhUq0087041 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:43:25 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:43:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829174350.00b13768@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fwiw, Simplicity costume contest. Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:38:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 14:43:25.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4AF7B40:01C48E9F] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bah, it's only for U.S. residents :-( Just when I decide to make a Simplicity Halloween costume... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:46:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEk15G012702 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:46:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEjJ4d014896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEjIq0088428; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEjGq0088343 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com) Received: from Faeriegirl1972@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.199.2e0ee878 (25711) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Faeriegirl1972@aol.com Message-ID: <199.2e0ee878.2e64975d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:44:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "national" dress at the Olympics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6032 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/04 11:50:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zski@ripco.com writes: > I can't wait till future costume hsitorians try to analyze the "ethnic" > costumes of the "Dance of the tacky beach-tourists"! > > Wendy Z > sadly beginning to pack up faire garb in > Chicago, IL > That was my favorite part of the closing ceremonies. The tacky beach tourist just cracked me up.All the greek folkdancing showcase greek "costume and norrmal wear" then the tourist join in beack chairs and all. It was brillant I didn't quite understand the gyspies and the watermelon truck. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 10:50:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UEo3Qt012713 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEnQ4d015391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEnNq0091519; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UEnKq0091454 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004083014491301500mamg6e>; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:49:14 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.119; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:49:11 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:49:11 +0000 Message-Id: <083020041449.4671.41333E66000C12EC0000123F2200761438010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Audrey Bergeron-Morin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO IIRC, there is an allegorical or symbolical meaning behind the bared breast(s) that we see in some portraits. I *think* the meaning is something like wedded virtue? Maybe it's supposed to be something else, but I've not had my coffee yet... -- Slan go foill Elena (Emer) ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needleworks -------------- Original message -------------- > > >I think what is being spoken here is the peascod. Women were not trying > to > > >look pregnant, they were copying the men's fashion. > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ManuVen2.JPG > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Vecellio24.jpg > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > > >http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG > > > > And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top > > of the bodice? > > Actually, they would seem to me to be below the top of the bodice, totally > enclosed in it, rather than above the top. I think the very low cut bodice > we're used to seeing at faire were not as frequent as we seem to think they > were. Most period images will have the breasts almost, if not entirely, > hidden inside the bodice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 11:05:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UF5THC012796 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UF4b4d016998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UF4Xq0002931; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UF4Tq0002881 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.97] (pm7-097.eos.net [205.133.149.97]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7UF4GG5001308 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:04:16 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:01:02 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408301450.i7UEnuq1091889@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: stuffed/peascod bodices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This one, at least, looks to me to be bady proportioned. If you look at the lady's lovely head, it's much too small for her chest, shoulders, arms and hands, which are all in proportion. I think the head was added later, perhaps by a different artist. The bodice looks stuffed or padded, but it wouldn't be so jarring if the head were bigger. >>>> http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 11:18:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UFIIPa012872 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFHY4d018460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFHTq0012571; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFGCq0011529 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.153] (p41.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.153]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7UFEdG29177 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:14:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040829174350.00b13768@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] fwiw, Simplicity costume contest. Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:19:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And I cant enter because I work at Jo-anns :-( Sylrog On Aug 30, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Bah, it's only for U.S. residents :-( Just when I decide to make a > Simplicity Halloween costume... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 11:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UFNUhN012898 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFMm4d019118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFMgq0016915; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp-02.io.com (smtp-02.io.com [206.224.87.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFMcq1016826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (IDENT:Ftuc/Y+k0b5AvPxnlaMQtpu2ryzsgwml@columbia.io.com [199.170.88.107]) by smtp-02.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UFMZIG031154 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:22:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7UFN5M0023935 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:23:05 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7UFN58a023928; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: apache set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 65.112.254.172 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:23:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1285.65.112.254.172.1093879385.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> References: <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:23:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove making CD From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have the book. It is still under current copyright. You can actually still purchase it off several book vendors and from ebay itself. This person has yet to answer anyone's questions as to if they optained the rights to do this and Ebay is unwilling to pull their auctions. I personally do not recommend the purchase. Dawn said: > Anybody seen the original book? The CD? Got comments? I'm wondering if > this is worth the money they're asking. > > Practical Glove Making > by Isabel M. Edwards > Published by Pitman & Sons > 1929 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=75565&item=8126224691&rd=1 > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Ches _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 11:26:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UFQvhU012927 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFPf4d019445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFPcq0019222; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFPZq0019183 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from sdn-ap-009masprip0042.dialsprint.net ([63.186.144.42]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C1o2H-00026D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:25:33 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:26:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s baggy trousers From: ruthanne baumgartner To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501c48e8b$109ba290$aa28bc3f@susyhp> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The assumption is that all clothing is costume in that we dress to express a character and to be beheld. This is what I generally believe, but an experience about five years ago called that into question: I was coming out of a restaurant and saw a young guy alight from his motorcycle and head toward me. He had long curly hair pulled back, a crest of feathers in his hair, multiple face piercings and earrings, possibly eye makeup, a leather vest without a shirt, tight jeans with multiple decorative rippings (the descendant of slashes?--obligatory historical-costume content), a long fringed sash, and tight knee-high suede boots with high heels. He looked SPECTACULARLY GORGEOUS, in a Mad-Max way. I was gazing appreciatively when he said to me in a tone of unmistakable hostility, "What are YOU lookin' at, Lady?" I was too disconcerted to give an honest reply, which WOULD have been, "You--isn't that your intention?" Instead I just tried to look invisible as I crept over to my car.... So you might be careful with the giggles, Susy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer on 8/30/04 8:15 AM, Susy at pagansoccermom@netzero.net wrote: > As for inadvertant drawer dropping... I see no reason not to at least > giggle... they chose to entertain me with their attire or lack of it, why > not show them my appreciation? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 11:47:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UFlCgM013032 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFkR4d022297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFkOq0036139; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UFkMq0036045 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id A856818018AA for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:16 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Aug 2004 15:46:15 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CF60D3384B; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:14 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:13 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Corset supply shop in London X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040830154614.CF60D3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You're welcome. I like Kleins, it is a fun little store, it is only open on "bankers hours" however. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > Thanks, Danielle! Although she wasn't specific, I believe that she > meant the 2 piece busk with studs. I will pass this info on to her. > > ~Mary -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 14:41:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UIfbtx014162 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:41:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UIeS4d013652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UIeKg6080724; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UIeHg6080650 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02590 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:46:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:46:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture in DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm jumping the official gun by posting this, since the public notice isn't out yet, but I figure there may be people on this list who would want the chance to consider travel plans. I will be giving a full day of lectures in the Washington DC area (Silver Spring, MD) on Saturday, Oct. 16. There will be five lectures: -- "The Gothic Fitted Dress." -- "The Greenland Gored Gown." -- "The 15th Century V-Necked Gown." -- "When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources" -- "The Problem of Women's Heraldic Dress" When the group that's sponsoring me releases the official details on reservations, location, etc., I'll post it here right away. In the meantime, some of you may want to save the date. (I know *I'll* be there because they've already bought my plane ticket. I just don't know if anyone else will be there, if they don't get the publicity out soon...) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 17:13:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7ULDqOc014948 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:13:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ULCq4d001210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ULCfg6000431; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7ULC0g6099734 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.15]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I3A00EV12VQCC@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [167.206.5.46] (Forwarded-For: [167.206.224.2]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:11:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:11:50 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] free 60's patterns To: Historical Costume , jaurbik@optonline.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If they are shirt patterns I'll take them..... Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A.Urbik" > but also in the cabint (which has the foot pedel as an > intrgal part of the desk) I found about 10 60's or 70's patterns. If > anyone is intrested, I will mail them out (free) to the first person who > says they want them. > > Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 19:29:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UNTiEk015496 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:29:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNSe4d016130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNSThT002381; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7UNSQhT002315 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:28:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 15131 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 23:34:35 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.132.94.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.132.94) by shada.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 23:34:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4133AE68.6070908@oldwaylane.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:47:04 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture in DC References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm jumping the official gun by posting this, since the public notice > isn't out yet, but I figure there may be people on this list who would > want the chance to consider travel plans. > > I will be giving a full day of lectures in the Washington DC area (Silver > Spring, MD) on Saturday, Oct. 16. There will be five lectures: > > -- "The Gothic Fitted Dress." > -- "The Greenland Gored Gown." > -- "The 15th Century V-Necked Gown." > -- "When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources" > -- "The Problem of Women's Heraldic Dress" YES!!!! sorry, got excited there. > > When the group that's sponsoring me releases the official details on > reservations, location, etc., I'll post it here right away. In the > meantime, some of you may want to save the date. when can I pass on the info to my assorted interested groups?? Such perfect timing, I want to make a GFD. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 19:35:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UNZcZd015519 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNZ34d016751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNYxhT006818; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNYvhT006766 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04771 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:41:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:41:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture in DC In-Reply-To: <4133AE68.6070908@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Judy Mitchell wrote: > when can I pass on the info to my assorted interested groups?? > Such perfect timing, I want to make a GFD. Tell them now to save the date. Apparently the coordinator has already started taking reservations, but the webpage is not ready, so I can't refer you to anything. Frustrating ... I hope to have more info later today, and you are welcome to pass that along as soon as I post it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 19:45:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7UNjNc6015552 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNih4d017612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNidhT013112; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7UNibhT013041 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.197.2dd6a629 (18251) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:44:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:44:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5031 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/30/2004 8:40:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, ivycircle@yahoo.com writes: when are these damned kids gonna have Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V0GtNW015647 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V0GC4d019979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V0G4hT031483; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V0G1hT031381 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Sophos http://raeinternet.com/mpp Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1356345 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:15:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:15:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Some did. I didn't. My mother wouldn't let me out of the house without properly hemmed pants. We'd compromise though, as long as possible without dragging on the ground when I wore my tennies. I had one pair hemmed longer that I could wear with my clogs. LynnD > From: > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:44:28 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants > > In a message dated 8/30/2004 8:40:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > ivycircle@yahoo.com writes: > when are these damned kids gonna have > -C. > We scuffed them underfoot in the '60's, too. That was the style. Cheryl > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 21:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V1AQG4015817 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:10:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V19j4d024130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V19chT062715; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V19YhU062644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from dandy.net (desfbumuoc@acty1095.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.95]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7V19SQ6023851 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4133CFC6.3010001@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:09:26 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pennsic, was Spanish site References: <001701c489cc$be2cb070$761117d1@computername> In-Reply-To: <001701c489cc$be2cb070$761117d1@computername> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Yes, my position on high ground worked well for me, but the rains of the last few days flooded many areas. Particularly, the Merchant area at Plunder Lane came to be known as Plunder Lake, and one person brought me digital photos of the inside of their tent. I could see the reflections of everything in the 4+ inches of standing water. Apparently, your Pennsic was a different one, fortunately, not flooded like many folks were. Count your blessings, I did. Mike T. PS on a costume note, I did meet a gentleman from Chicago that was doing some nice late period Polish clothing. His kit was very well done. His name was Mikhael. Does anyone know him? MJT > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 21:11:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V1B6Cn015821 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:11:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V1AL4d024171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V1AKhT063135; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V19qhT062807 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net15sp219.directcon.net [209.79.209.219]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7V1E0N11374 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:14:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00cc01c48ef6$00bb7240$dbd14fd1@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:01:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Maybe you could ask these people or > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/index.html#kirtle pattern 204 > > Margo Anderson > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > who is in the process of having a pattern for a "comfort" gown. > > They might know of lower class styles. After doing all the research for my upcoming "comfort" package, a kirtle and gown based on the one in Janet Arnold, I've become convinced that this style, and variations on it, were worn by all classes, with variations in fullness, trim, and fabric showing different class levels. We have just as much documentation for lower class women wearing the "straight bodi'd citezeness's gown" and kirtle as we do for the commonly accepted seperate bodice and skirts; although not nearly as much of either as we would like, due to the lower classes rarely having their portraits painted. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 22:18:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V2IgW8016046 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:18:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2Hv4d029375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2HrhT001417; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2HohT001371 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m223.in-tch.com [216.166.191.223]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i7V2HB815521 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:22:02 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And in the 70s, as well (at least in my part of Montana).... *koff* Am I telling on myself too much if I share a memorable moment one year when I was 16? On my way out the front door, to go down the driveway and catch the school bus, my parents actually tackled me and *cut the fringe off the bottoms of my hash jeans!* I was mortified, as only a 16-year old can be, but looking back, those pants must have been drivng my parents completely insane! (heck, I remember opening up the side seams of the ones we thought weren't wide enough, and adding wedges of fabric--either matching or contrasting) --sue, who still has to resist the nearly overwhelming desire to go up behind some Mr. Droop-Drawers and yank things back into place (Wedgies as a Social Service ;-P) Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/30/2004 8:40:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > ivycircle@yahoo.com writes: > when are these damned kids gonna have > -C. > We scuffed them underfoot in the '60's, too. That was the style. Cheryl > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 22:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V2YMfA016118 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:34:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2XV4d000578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2XNhT011203; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2XLhT011149 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so210810rnk for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.3.57 with SMTP id 57mr1314217rnc; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040830193317401f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:33:20 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I feel so lucky. I had parents that let me wear what I want and I return the favor with my son who yes has occasionally worn jeans hanging off his ass. My parents put up with inside out jeans leggings under mini skirts (my father really hated that one although I wasn't told I couldn't do it) purple hair shaved hair mohawk and the whole stretch of obscene things we did in the 80's (I was born in 72) But I also had a stash of antique clothing that is the envy of many costumers even today. My grandparents were antique dealers and auctioneers as was my mother and stepfather. I had access to amazing clothing. I remember a whole year of nothing but antique flapper clothing from my grandfather's mother's home that I was given and wore with a Eaton haircut to match. On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:22:02 -0600, Sue Clemenger wrote: > --sue, who still has to resist the nearly overwhelming desire to go up > behind some Mr. Droop-Drawers and yank things back into place (Wedgies > as a Social Service ;-P) -- Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 22:39:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V2dnCQ016136 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:39:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2dA4d001076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2d7hT014373; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2d3hU014344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7V2gM9U022472 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:42:22 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture in DC Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:48:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408302248.06427.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 30 August 2004 2:46 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm jumping the official gun by posting this, since the public notice > isn't out yet, but I figure there may be people on this list who would > want the chance to consider travel plans. > > I will be giving a full day of lectures in the Washington DC area (Silver > Spring, MD) on Saturday, Oct. 16. There will be five lectures: Thanks. But just my luck, you're back on the East Coast when I won't be. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 22:48:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V2m4bv016187 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2lG4d001572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2lDhT018933; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V2lBhT018842 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip18.cluster1.charter.net (mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.148]) by mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7V2l4Sl006228 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:47:04 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-3.mazo.wi.charter.com (HELO laptop) (24.196.146.3) by mxip18.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 22:47:04 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,117,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="254847362:sNHT14191826" Message-ID: <001901c48f04$d3b656c0$0392c418@mad.wi.charter.com> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <00cc01c48ef6$00bb7240$dbd14fd1@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:47:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW, when will your Comfort Package be shipping? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence My arms are too short to box with God. ~Johnny Cash lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600? > > > > > Maybe you could ask these people or > > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/index.html#kirtle pattern > 204 > > > > Margo Anderson > > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > > who is in the process of having a pattern for a "comfort" gown. > > > > They might know of lower class styles. > > After doing all the research for my upcoming "comfort" package, a kirtle and > gown based on the one in Janet Arnold, I've become convinced that this > style, and variations on it, were worn by all classes, with variations in > fullness, trim, and fabric showing different class levels. We have just as > much documentation for lower class women wearing the "straight bodi'd > citezeness's gown" and kirtle as we do for the commonly accepted seperate > bodice and skirts; although not nearly as much of either as we would like, > due to the lower classes rarely having their portraits painted. > > Margo > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:13:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3DID1016363 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:13:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3Ce4d003472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3CbhT033925; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3CYhT033894 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066F4295DF for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:02:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040828234346.02496e40@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top > > of the bodice? > >Actually, they would seem to me to be below the top of the bodice, totally >enclosed in it, rather than above the top. I think the very low cut bodice >we're used to seeing at faire were not as frequent as we seem to think they >were. Most period images will have the breasts almost, if not entirely, >hidden inside the bodice. Hello, You clipped the full sentence I was remarking. I wrote "And why does it seem that the ladies breasts are completely above the top of the bodice? Looking further at the site, I am seeing more images of this, and gather that this was the fashion. Why? " Looking further into the site, I found the following image that appear to show detailed nipples above the top of the bodice. The lady in red, on the right: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg (amusingly, I have this very image taken as a photo from the ceilings painted at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas, NV.) On this image, the high bust of the breast mounds seem to be above the bodice line, although covered by the lace "partlet" for lack of a better Venetian term. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg I might be able to think of the nipples being just under the bodice. It seems courtesans tend to show more breast: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan1575.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan21575.jpg So, I am thinking perhaps that the courtesans are the ones who show more breast, and that would answer my own question. Like I mentioned before, I am new to Italians, and hence not sure what is fashionable amongst whichever kind of women of Venice. I am aware that in faire amongst the English/Scots/Irish, the bodice should be much more covered, at least amongst the peasants, merchants, and the court ladies. However, ladies of ill repute, well... they will take what liberties they wish in any country it would seem. ;-) Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:14:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3E0T0016370 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:14:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3DN4d003591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3DMhT034363; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:13:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3CZhT033910 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79CF295E5 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830200743.02588330@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:08:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: <083020041449.4671.41333E66000C12EC0000123F2200761438010207 900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7V3CZhT033910 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:49 PM 8/30/2004 +0000, you wrote: >IIRC, there is an allegorical or symbolical meaning behind the bared >breast(s) that we see in some portraits. I *think* the meaning is >something like wedded virtue? Maybe it's supposed to be something else, >but I've not had my coffee yet... > > >-- >Slan go foill >Elena (Emer) ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri >Emer's Needleworks Oooh, that's interesting. Had your coffee yet to remember more? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:43:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3hAQU016442 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:43:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3gN4d005588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3gKhT050711; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3gFhU050677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7V3jYZj024053 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:45:35 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:49:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040828234346.02496e40@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408302349.32056.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 30 August 2004 11:02 pm, Kimiko Small wrote: [snip] > Looking further into the site, I found the following image that appear to > show detailed nipples above the top of the bodice. The lady in red, on the > right: > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg > (amusingly, I have this very image taken as a photo from the ceilings > painted at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas, NV.) There are *two* ladies in red in the painting; one on the far left (the viewer's left, that is) and one in the center. So I'm not quite sure which one you mean. > > On this image, the high bust of the breast mounds seem to be above the > bodice line, although covered by the lace "partlet" for lack of a better > Venetian term. > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg Ah, so you do mean the one I think of as being in the middle. However, I think the red dot that looks like it's in the right location to be a nipple is really part of the trim on the partlet. On the other hand, I think you could make a case that the lady in red on the right is showing her nipple (her right nipple). My reading of the painting is that it shows that courtesans, at least, wore their bodices low enough that a nipple might pop out now and then. This kind of quasi-accidental display is sexier than outright bare breasts. > I might be able to think of the nipples being just under the bodice. > > It seems courtesans tend to show more breast: > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan1575.jpg > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan21575.jpg > > So, I am thinking perhaps that the courtesans are the ones who show more > breast, and that would answer my own question. I think that's true, and I think the image we're discussing supports that theory. Look at the woman in the dark gown between the two "ladies" in red, and the woman on the far left (holding the little girl). Both wear their necklines considerably higher than the ladies in red. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:44:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3irAC016448 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:44:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3iC4d005780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3iBhT051860; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3iAhT051745 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FBD70647 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:43:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from sarinarusso.com.au (sarinarusso.com.au [203.202.121.130]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:43:58 +1000 Message-ID: <1093923838.4133f3fe10407@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:43:58 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "national" dress at the Olympics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I can't wait till future costume hsitorians try to analyze the "ethnic" > > costumes of the "Dance of the tacky beach-tourists"! Ha! In Australia, we are still tryna work out how loose-fit parkas and Nike shoes represented our national dress at the opening, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:45:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3jLUc016452 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:45:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3ig4d005817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3iehT052102; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3iGhU051877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7V3lOmd024104 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:47:24 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:53:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> <4c5accc8040830193317401f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c5accc8040830193317401f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 30 August 2004 10:33 pm, Kristalori History wrote: [snip] > But I > also had a stash of antique clothing that is the envy of many > costumers even today. My grandparents were antique dealers and > auctioneers as was my mother and stepfather. I had access to amazing > clothing. I remember a whole year of nothing but antique flapper > clothing from my grandfather's mother's home that I was given and wore > with a Eaton haircut to match. That sounds incredibly neat. You were very lucky. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:49:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3nXfk016460 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:49:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3mm4d006274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3mkhT054552; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3mhhT054530 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jauncourt@verizon.net) Received: from [4.12.168.105] by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040831034841.MAQD23440.out009.verizon.net@[4.12.168.105]> for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: <4133F51A.5030106@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:48:42 -0500 From: Maura Folsom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.12.168.105] at Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:48:41 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dagging reconstructions page X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ...For those who are interested: http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm I'm avoiding the real project, which is the completion and upload of my 12thC clothing site's next edition. Bleh. It makes my brain hurt, so I looked at other things to prevent more braincramps. Those of you who do 14thC can reap the fruits of my recreational research labours ;) Marguerie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:52:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3qCrl016466 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:52:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3pI4d006441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3pEhT055993; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3pBhT055943 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so138683rnk for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.11.77 with SMTP id 77mr1334986rnk; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc804083020513d60ed80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:51:08 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> <4c5accc8040830193317401f6@mail.gmail.com> <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It was. Not only did I have the luck of coming from auction dealers and etc but my family on my dad's side never threw anything away. I had three huge attics packed with clothing from door to rafter and back with trunk upon trunk of clothing. I'll have to ask my mom for my prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:53:08 -0400, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Monday 30 August 2004 10:33 pm, Kristalori History wrote: > > [snip] > > > But I > > also had a stash of antique clothing that is the envy of many > > costumers even today. My grandparents were antique dealers and > > auctioneers as was my mother and stepfather. I had access to amazing > > clothing. I remember a whole year of nothing but antique flapper > > clothing from my grandfather's mother's home that I was given and wore > > with a Eaton haircut to match. > > That sounds incredibly neat. You were very lucky. > > -- > Cathy Raymond -- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:52:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3qGUP016469 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3pg4d006496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3pghT056246; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3pVhT056135 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:51:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3580F42C0C for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:51:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from sarinarusso.com.au (sarinarusso.com.au [203.202.121.130]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:51:30 +1000 Message-ID: <1093924290.4133f5c223020@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:51:30 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > We scuffed them underfoot in the '60's, too. That was the style. Cheryl Well, damnit, back to the '50s, I say. Richie Cunningham, Opie and the Beaver's rolled up cuffs! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3t5Lm016482 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:55:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3sT4d006723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3sQhT057691; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3sOhT057667 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D432317009 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830202214.02411b80@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:27:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Makeup {was RE: more on t-tunic} In-Reply-To: <0d0c01c48b57$bddcdb40$eaf4fea9@glendaii> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040825235947.00b0f7f8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:30 PM 8/26/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Kimiko, > >I ended up getting mine from a specialty theatrical supply in the inner >suburbs of Sydney, Aust. My husband didn't work far from them at the time. <> Thanks Glenda for the name of the make-up. It sounds like what I call pancake makeup, which is the theatrical stuff. But I think I was using Ben-Nye brand, so I will see if I can find the one you wrote and see if I can tolerate it ok. Although I am more inclined to the other makeup suggestion, as I hate runny makeup on hot days (and we get HOT days). And I understand about the saggy skin from losing weight at our age. I have been slowly loosing weight myself, and I know it will be bad when I get back down under 200. But hey, the upside is loss of weight and better health!! Go you! Kimiko (who needs to get back to the walking regime... once it gets under 100). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:55:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3tVWW016486 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:55:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3ss4d006784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3srhT057906; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3sPhT057675 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D95016FAD for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830204327.0256ce30@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:44:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove making CD In-Reply-To: <1285.65.112.254.172.1093879385.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:23 AM 8/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have the book. It is still under current copyright. You can actually >still purchase it off several book vendors and from ebay itself. This >person has yet to answer anyone's questions as to if they optained the >rights to do this and Ebay is unwilling to pull their auctions. > >I personally do not recommend the purchase. Do you not recommend this purchase, because of copyright issues on the CD? Would you recommend the book itself? I am seeing at least one physical book available on eBay, and was curious if the book itself is worthy. Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:58:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3wHfk016492 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3vj4d006971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3vhhT059447; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3vehT059415 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3286D42B80 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:57:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from sarinarusso.com.au (sarinarusso.com.au [203.202.121.130]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:57:40 +1000 Message-ID: <1093924660.4133f7341d0b7@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:57:40 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Baggy pants in the ring X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I'll let youse in on a secret but, shhhh, don't tell anyone. A couple of times over the last year while costuming professional wrestlers, I have used an Oxford bags pattern and, on one occasion, zoot-style pants. Keep an eye open and see if'n you can pick who, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 30 23:59:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V3x5mo016496 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:59:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3wD4d007018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3wDhT059695; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V3w7hT059618 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06673 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:04:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:04:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DC-area lectures, full info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here are the details on the lectures I mentioned earlier today: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Robin Netherton Lectures in DC October 16, 2004. The Cost is $35.00 for those who pre-register. If space is still available, cost at the door will be $50.00. To pre-register, mail your check or money order to Jerry Rorstrom-Lee, 600 Cedar Street NW, Washington, DC 20012. Make Checks payable to Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee. The classes will be at the Sligo-Dennis Avenue Recreation Center at Sligo-Dennis Avenue Local Park (10200 Sligo Creek Parkway) in Silver Spring, Maryland. The recreation center has some kitchen facilities including a refrigerator and a warming oven. You can conviently drive to fast food and restaurants from the rec center, but none are within immediate walking distance. The facility is handicapped accessible. There is parking, but since it's shared with all those using the park, car pooling or using the Metro subway is suggested. Classes will start at 9:00 and will last until about 5 to 6. The Classes are: The Gothic Fitted Dress The fitted fashion popular throughout much of Europe in the late 14th century and early 15th century has been the object of much speculation, regarding such matters as who wore it, how it was made, and even what it was called. (The term "cotehardie," often applied to this style, was most likely not the term used by the women who wore it.) A detailed analysis shows the various versions and uses of this style, how it evolved from earlier unfitted fashions, and how it formed the basis for the development of the more structured fashions of the 15th and 16th centuries. The lecture examines some likely construction techniques as well as the social significance of the fashion and its presentation in artwork. The Greenland Gored Gown Costume references frequently cite the garment finds from the 14th- century cemetery at Herjolfsnes, Greenland, as examples of medieval European clothing construction. This lecture re-examines some common assumptions about these gowns in light of overlooked details in the original study report, the cultural context of the Greenland colony, and the likely methods of clothing construction used by the Greenlanders. The discussion gives special attention to the oft-cited "10-gore" gown and how it might influence our understanding of 14th-century European fashion. The 15th-Century V-Neck Gown The so-called "Burgundian" style that dominates much of 15th-century fashion in Western Europe is in fact two separate styles, which have distinctive characteristics and are apparently constructed in two completely different ways. An examination of artwork over the course of the century demonstrates the differences and provides clues as to how the two styles developed and the ways in which they may have been made. When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources Too often, today's costume sources present "facts" about medieval and Renaissance costume that are actually misinterpretations dating from the Victorian era. This lecture traces the development of modern costume scholarship and examines the motives and methods of 19th-century costume historians. Armed with this information, 21st-century costumers can learn how to recognize -- and compensate for -- Victorian influence in current sourc es. The Problem of Women's Heraldic Dress The image of the medieval noblewoman wearing a gown that displays a full-body coat-of-arms has long been popular among costume historians, theater designers, artists, and re-enactors. However, an analysis of archaeological evidence, documentary records, and visual images from the period raises serious questions about the nature and use of such clothing. Practical construction problems complicate the issue further. This lecture traces the development of the modern concept of women's heraldic dress and examines the options for the modern re-enactor faced with reconciling the popular image with the historical evidence. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4I0rw016575 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4H64d008639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4H4hT070160; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4H2hT070139 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B7F5F852 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205653.0256ce30@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:57:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <4c5accc804083020513d60ed80@mail.gmail.com> References: <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> <4c5accc8040830193317401f6@mail.gmail.com> <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:51 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I'll have to ask my mom for my >prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. Oh yes please share photos. I so love Worth dresses, at least the images of them that I have seen. You were very lucky. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:18:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4IICr016578 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:18:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4HW4d008757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4HVhT070391; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4H3hT070150 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD815E5A7 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:14:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: <200408302349.32056.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> <41309DA2.5010703@footworkmedia.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040828234346.02496e40@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cathy, At 11:49 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > Looking further into the site, I found the following image that appear to > > show detailed nipples above the top of the bodice. The lady in red, on the > > right: > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg > > >There are *two* ladies in red in the painting; one on the far left (the >viewer's left, that is) and one in the center. So I'm not quite sure which >one you mean. Ah, I see there are actually three ladies in red (the third is looking at you from behind the center one). The one in the center, with part of her red dress on the balcony, is the one I speak of. > > On this image, the high bust of the breast mounds seem to be above the > > bodice line, although covered by the lace "partlet" for lack of a better > > Venetian term. > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > >Ah, so you do mean the one I think of as being in the middle. However, I >think the red dot that looks like it's in the right location to be a nipple >is really part of the trim on the partlet. > >On the other hand, I think you could make a case that the lady in red on the >right is showing her nipple (her right nipple). Yes, the right nipple is showing. There also appears to be some reddish trim just under that nipple on the dress, but the white of the chemise is showing between the two possible 'nipples'. >My reading of the painting is that it shows that courtesans, at least, wore >their bodices low enough that a nipple might pop out now and then. This kind >of quasi-accidental display is sexier than outright bare breasts. I'll agree there. > > I might be able to think of the nipples being just under the bodice. > > > > It seems courtesans tend to show more breast: > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan1575.jpg > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan21575.jpg > > > > So, I am thinking perhaps that the courtesans are the ones who show more > > breast, and that would answer my own question. > >I think that's true, and I think the image we're discussing supports that >theory. Look at the woman in the dark gown between the two "ladies" in red, >and the woman on the far left (holding the little girl). Both wear their >necklines considerably higher than the ladies in red. Possibly true. Would courtesans be in the same balcony as married women? And is the first lady in red (the one on the viewers far left) a courtesan or a married woman? She is holding a child's hand, and that child is leaning in towards her, as she leans toward the child. Not that courtesans can't or don't have their children in public. Hmmm... things to learn more about, like how do you tell the difference between a married woman and a courtesan, or even a courtesan and an unmarried woman. Thanks so much for your clarifications. Interesting how answers to one thing seem to develop more question to be answered. >-- >Cathy Raymond Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:26:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4QGFL016677 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4Kd4d008973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4KbhT072001; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4KZhT071979 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so220755rnk for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.3.57 with SMTP id 57mr1353247rnc; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040830212018d0b408@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:20:31 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205653.0256ce30@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <4133E0CA.7060100@in-tch.com> <4c5accc8040830193317401f6@mail.gmail.com> <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205653.0256ce30@64.87.54.245> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll see what she'll hand over. She's stingy with pictures. On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:57:32 -0700, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 11:51 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >I'll have to ask my mom for my > >prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. > > Oh yes please share photos. I so love Worth dresses, at least the images of > them that I have seen. > > You were very lucky. > > Kimiko -- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:26:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4QGjd016680 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4Pa4d009487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4PXhT074617; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4PUhT074553 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:25:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040831042525014008n96te>; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:25:25 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:25:24 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:25:24 +0000 Message-Id: <083120040425.19449.4133FDB400048C8A00004BF92200737478010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, I hope she will be generous! You are so lucky to have enjoyed these wonderful works of art! My favorite memories of clothes for school were the 2nd hand finds in the local St. Vincents, for $1 or $2. And the *shoes*! I found buying the rare shoes of the 20's and 30's being sold for a mere pittance because the folks thought they were 'unsalable'. Lucky me! I think that's where I developed my lifetime shoe buying habits... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needleworks -------------- Original message -------------- > I'll see what she'll hand over. She's stingy with pictures. > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:57:32 -0700, Kimiko Small wrote: > > At 11:51 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > >I'll have to ask my mom for my > > >prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. > > > > Oh yes please share photos. I so love Worth dresses, at least the images of > > them that I have seen. > > > > You were very lucky. > > > > Kimiko > -- > "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't > period." > Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar > http://www.lulu.com/kristalori > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:31:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4VNB7016699 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:31:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4Uf4d009853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4UdhT077405; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4UZhU077372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7V4XrDh025396 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:33:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:39:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4c5accc804083020513d60ed80@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c5accc804083020513d60ed80@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408310039.38113.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 30 August 2004 11:51 pm, Kristalori History wrote: > It was. Not only did I have the luck of coming from auction dealers > and etc but my family on my dad's side never threw anything away. I > had three huge attics packed with clothing from door to rafter and > back with trunk upon trunk of clothing. I'm really envious. My parents were in their 40s when they had me, and both were adolescent during the 20s. If they had just saved some of their everyday clothes that would have been grand.... >I'll have to ask my mom for my > prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. Wow. A Worth original. Not every costumer can say that! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:33:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4XKFu016710 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:33:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4WY4d010021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4W9hT078190; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:32:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4VxhT078113 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so221695rnk for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.83.80 with SMTP id g80mr681241rnb; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc80408302131d1bf0b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:31:59 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <083120040425.19449.4133FDB400048C8A00004BF92200737478010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <083120040425.19449.4133FDB400048C8A00004BF92200737478010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7V4VxhT078113 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Same here. Even now I can hit the thrift stores around here and get some great shoes and great vintage clothes. I really need to start hitting them more in fact but carless doesn't help. I know the gown was a trousseau gown of my great great grandmother's and I grew up with my great grandmother being a primary influence in my life she died in 1998 at the age of 98. She was the flapper whose clothes I had and that side of the family was well off and clothes crazy. I didn't touch some of the really early stuff mainly it was too small or too valuable but anything post 1870 was fair game for me. Couldn't ever get into any shoes pre 1912 though. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:25:24 +0000, gia_gavino@comcast.net wrote: > Oh, I hope she will be generous! You are so lucky to have enjoyed these wonderful works of art! My favorite memories of clothes for school were the 2nd hand finds in the local St. Vincents, for $1 or $2. And the *shoes*! I found buying the rare shoes of the 20's and 30's being sold for a mere pittance because the folks thought they were 'unsalable'. Lucky me! I think that's where I developed my lifetime shoe buying habits... > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > Emer's Needleworks > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > I'll see what she'll hand over. She's stingy with pictures. > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:57:32 -0700, Kimiko Small wrote: > > > At 11:51 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > >I'll have to ask my mom for my > > > >prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. > > > > > > Oh yes please share photos. I so love Worth dresses, at least the images of > > > them that I have seen. > > > > > > You were very lucky. > > > > > > Kimiko > > -- > > "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't > > period." > > Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar > > http://www.lulu.com/kristalori > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:40:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4eXCL016730 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:40:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4dq4d010650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4dphT082115; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4dkhT082084 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so141199rnk for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.11.77 with SMTP id 77mr1352629rnk; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc804083021396297ab5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:39:41 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <200408310039.38113.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <200408302353.08730.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4c5accc804083020513d60ed80@mail.gmail.com> <200408310039.38113.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well my great grandmother was born in 1901 and my grandfather who is still with us and over active if anything (he has a gf half his age) was born in 1926. His family the one I was raised with for the most part were direct decendents of Sir William Johnson on his father's side and his mother (my GG) was a Salls. Both families were exceptionally well off and barely touched by the depression. The ball gowns were from my Great GG's wedding ensemble that she according to legend wore exactly one year before her husband had to buy her all new clothes. My GG was also a fashion doyen of the teens and 20's and stayed stylish till she died. She helped run the family farm (dairy and meat in upstate ny) but they were well off enough for her to go to Europe once a year for clothes and she did that right up until WW2 and after that she bought here or made it herself (she was the one in fact who taught me to sew) my grandfather's wife was a model for The New Look right after the war and was unique in her own way in having been the mother of an out of wedlock child in the 30's (she was much older than my grandfather and had a previous relationship) plus I got a lot from antique shows and such before the stuff became popular. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:39:38 -0400, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > I'm really envious. My parents were in their 40s when they had me, and both > were adolescent during the 20s. If they had just saved some of their > everyday clothes that would have been grand.... > > >I'll have to ask my mom for my > > prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. > > Wow. A Worth original. Not every costumer can say that! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4fKiZ016734 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4ef4d010814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4eehT082610; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4ebhT082556 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gia_gavino@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004083104403201500lrk2re>; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:40:32 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.119; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:40:29 +0000 From: gia_gavino@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:40:29 +0000 Message-Id: <083120040440.21725.4134013D000423A6000054DD2200761438010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2lhX2dhdmlub0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thrift store vintage finds...was baggy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you were in the Seattle, Wa/Renton, WA area I'd take you just about anywhere your heart desires....My mom wishes I'd take her, but she just doesn't *understand* my passion for the textile side of antiques. She likes to shop the china et al. I like the fine china, too, but I like other aspects as well.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needleworks -------------- Original message -------------- > Same here. Even now I can hit the thrift stores around here and get > some great shoes and great vintage clothes. I really need to start > hitting them more in fact but carless doesn't help. I know the gown > was a trousseau gown of my great great grandmother's and I grew up > with my great grandmother being a primary influence in my life she > died in 1998 at the age of 98. She was the flapper whose clothes I had > and that side of the family was well off and clothes crazy. I didn't > touch some of the really early stuff mainly it was too small or too > valuable but anything post 1870 was fair game for me. Couldn't ever > get into any shoes pre 1912 though. > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:25:24 +0000, gia_gavino@comcast.net > wrote: > > Oh, I hope she will be generous! You are so lucky to have enjoyed these > wonderful works of art! My favorite memories of clothes for school were the 2nd > hand finds in the local St. Vincents, for $1 or $2. And the *shoes*! I found > buying the rare shoes of the 20's and 30's being sold for a mere pittance > because the folks thought they were 'unsalable'. Lucky me! I think that's > where I developed my lifetime shoe buying habits... > > > > -- > > Slan go foill > > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needleworks > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > I'll see what she'll hand over. She's stingy with pictures. > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:57:32 -0700, Kimiko Small wrote: > > > > At 11:51 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >I'll have to ask my mom for my > > > > >prom pictures but I wore a Worth bustled dress for my junior prom. > > > > > > > > Oh yes please share photos. I so love Worth dresses, at least the images > of > > > > them that I have seen. > > > > > > > > You were very lucky. > > > > > > > > Kimiko > > > -- > > > "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't > > > period." > > > Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar > > > http://www.lulu.com/kristalori > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't > period." > Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar > http://www.lulu.com/kristalori > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:43:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4hjCf016742 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4h94d010995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4h6hT083933; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:43:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4h2hT083899 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so222772rnk for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.171.20 with SMTP id t20mr1358171rne; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc804083021431109c963@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:43:02 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] thrift store vintage finds...was baggy In-Reply-To: <083120040440.21725.4134013D000423A6000054DD2200761438010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <083120040440.21725.4134013D000423A6000054DD2200761438010207900E09A10E0709@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm in Upstate NY (near Syracuse) and believe it or not Oswego (where I live) and Fulton (it's sister city) the thrifts are amazing here. I picked up a 1930's Chanel suit with it's chain weights still in it for $5 about 6 years ago. I made a killing for it on ebay. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:40:29 +0000, gia_gavino@comcast.net wrote: > If you were in the Seattle, Wa/Renton, WA area I'd take you just about anywhere your heart desires....My mom wishes I'd take her, but she just doesn't *understand* my passion for the textile side of antiques. She likes to shop the china et al. I like the fine china, too, but I like other aspects as well.... -- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 00:52:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V4qMOh016786 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4pM4d011735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4pKhT088028; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V4pIhU087993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7V4sasc026018 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:54:36 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress documentation 1550-1600?) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:00:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408310100.20830.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 31 August 2004 12:14 am, Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi Cathy, > > At 11:49 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > Looking further into the site, I found the following image that appear > > > to show detailed nipples above the top of the bodice. The lady in red, > > > on the right: > > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg > > > > > > > >There are *two* ladies in red in the painting; one on the far left (the > >viewer's left, that is) and one in the center. So I'm not quite sure > > which one you mean. > > Ah, I see there are actually three ladies in red (the third is looking at > you from behind the center one). The one in the center, with part of her > red dress on the balcony, is the one I speak of. The one looking from behind the center one doesn't look as though she's wearing red on my monitor. :-( > > > > On this image, the high bust of the breast mounds seem to be above the > > > bodice line, although covered by the lace "partlet" for lack of a > > > better Venetian term. > > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg > > > >Ah, so you do mean the one I think of as being in the middle. However, I > >think the red dot that looks like it's in the right location to be a > > nipple is really part of the trim on the partlet. > > > >On the other hand, I think you could make a case that the lady in red on > > the right is showing her nipple (her right nipple). > > Yes, the right nipple is showing. There also appears to be some reddish > trim just under that nipple on the dress, but the white of the chemise is > showing between the two possible 'nipples'. Yes, I agree with you there. I think it's clear that both "red" ladies are wearing necklines that make nipple display an ever-present possibility, though I wouldn't say the nipples are clearly above the neckline. [snip] > > > So, I am thinking perhaps that the courtesans are the ones who show > > > more breast, and that would answer my own question. > > > >I think that's true, and I think the image we're discussing supports that > >theory. Look at the woman in the dark gown between the two "ladies" in > > red, and the woman on the far left (holding the little girl). Both wear > > their necklines considerably higher than the ladies in red. > > Possibly true. Would courtesans be in the same balcony as married women? I don't know enough about Venetian culture of the period to be sure. I will say this, though; some courtesans were quite wealthy, which doubtless opened doors to them that would otherwise have been shut. > And is the first lady in red (the one on the viewers far left) a courtesan > or a married woman? She is holding a child's hand, and that child is > leaning in towards her, as she leans toward the child. Not that courtesans > can't or don't have their children in public. > > Hmmm... things to learn more about, like how do you tell the difference > between a married woman and a courtesan, or even a courtesan and an > unmarried woman. Agreed. Perhaps the height of the neckline will turn out to be a major clue. :-) > > Thanks so much for your clarifications. Interesting how answers to one > thing seem to develop more question to be answered. You're welcome. I've been noticing also, on a number of other lists I've been posting to lately, that more questions develop the more answers you seem to find. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 01:08:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V58Pxa016859 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:08:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V57j4d012900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V57hhT096233; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from www6.plugit.com (mail1.plugit.com [66.210.223.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V57ehT096196 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.222.51] by www6.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6046F2800FA; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:00:52 -0500 Received: from MOM [69.241.150.7] by costumegallery.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5AE4CF0092; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:59:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c48f18$38a17930$0300a8c0@MOM> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040827232706.38171.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants below the crotch Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:05:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id i7V58Pxa016859 Status: RO Anne, Our sons are 27, 23, 21, 19, and 17 y.o. Our daughter will be 13 y.o. next month. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Online Reference Library, AND Costume Classroom www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com/research.htm www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 01:44:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V5iknj017034 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:44:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V5i74d015342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V5hxhT014909; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V5hwhT014840 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004083105435201600i3taoe>; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:43:52 +0000 Message-ID: <025201c48f1d$72d19d60$6500a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> <412CC2D7.5050108@reddawn.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830204327.0256ce30@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove making CD Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:38:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes the book is good, and yes I do not recommend the cd because of copyright issues. Thanks for asking. :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove making CD : At 10:23 AM 8/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: : >I have the book. It is still under current copyright. You can actually : >still purchase it off several book vendors and from ebay itself. This : >person has yet to answer anyone's questions as to if they optained the : >rights to do this and Ebay is unwilling to pull their auctions. : > : >I personally do not recommend the purchase. : : : Do you not recommend this purchase, because of copyright issues on the CD? : Would you recommend the book itself? I am seeing at least one physical book : available on eBay, and was curious if the book itself is worthy. : : Thanks, : : Kimiko : : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 03:27:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V7RjfD013438 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:27:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V7R64d021605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V7R2hT066139; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V7R1hT066125 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-71-170.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.71.170]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7V7QxnD027299 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:27:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040830233751.01a3ca10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:39:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dressdocumentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: <200408310100.20830.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> Hmmm... things to learn more about, like how do you tell the difference >> between a married woman and a courtesan, or even a courtesan and an >> unmarried woman. > >Agreed. Perhaps the height of the neckline will turn out to be a major >clue. :-) Vecellio has opinions on this, and he's a few hundred years closer to the originals than we are. I'd look there first, and see if I could extrapolate something from his images. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 04:28:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V8SJFU001496 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:28:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V8Rc4d023698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V8RZhT093899; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7V8RXhT093868 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040831082727.93944.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:27:27 BST Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:27:27 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200408302248.06427.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Jodphur pattern? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All, It might be slightly OT because it isn't quite historical (though jodphur riding breeckes/trousers have been going for a while) but I am at my wits' end and just can't find a pattern for jodphurs. Has anyone come across one or knows of a place I could look? Thanks everso, any help appreciated. Nicole ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 04:51:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7V8pAWh011693 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:51:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V8oR4d024453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V8oLhT004529; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7V8oIhT004418 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from chris (dialup-a2-168.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.113.248.168]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E0D27058C for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:50:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <003b01c48f38$2ae667e0$a8f871cb@chris> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20040831082727.93944.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jodphur pattern? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:54:45 +1000 Organization: Australian Costume Supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you can draught: The Modern Tailor, Outfitter & Clothier by Percival Thickett (what a great name). Volume 1 has the best male and female patterns I have come across, -C. > It might be slightly OT because it isn't quite historical (though jodphur > riding breeckes/trousers have been going for a while) but I am at my wits' end > and just can't find a pattern for jodphurs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 06:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VAAqO1016948 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:10:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VAA74d028156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VAA3hT041150; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:10:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mx01.supplyguys.net (mx01.supplyguys.net [65.115.27.27]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VA9xhU041093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendyc@vivid.net) Received: (qmail 13347 invoked by uid 89); 31 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (65.115.27.21) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0000 Received: from 24.99.160.42 ([24.99.160.42]) by secure.supplyguys.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:09:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1093946994.41344e7284d52@secure.supplyguys.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:09:54 -0400 From: wendyc@vivid.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jodphur pattern? References: <20040831082727.93944.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040831082727.93944.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suitability sells patterns for all manner of equestrian clothing including jods. http://www.suitability.com/ecom/ecommerce.dll I have used ther patterns and they seem to work well. I haven't made the jods but have made breeks using their patterns. Wendy Quoting Marquesate : > Hi All, > > It might be slightly OT because it isn't quite historical (though jodphur > riding breeckes/trousers have been going for a while) but I am at my wits' > end > and just can't find a pattern for jodphurs. > > Has anyone come across one or knows of a place I could look? Thanks everso, > any > help appreciated. > > Nicole > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 06:25:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VAPeMV016998 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VAOP4d028767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VAOOhT047325; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7VAN5hT046702 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040831102300.47351.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:23:00 BST Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:23:00 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marquesate?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jodphur pattern? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1093946994.41344e7284d52@secure.supplyguys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's great! Thank you, I think I'll order both their cavalry style pattern and the English coat & jodphur one. :-) Nicole --- wendyc@vivid.net wrote: > Suitability sells patterns for all manner of equestrian clothing including > jods. > http://www.suitability.com/ecom/ecommerce.dll > I have used ther patterns and they seem to work well. I haven't made the jods > > but have made breeks using their patterns. > > Wendy > > > Quoting Marquesate : > > > Hi All, > > > > It might be slightly OT because it isn't quite historical (though jodphur > > riding breeckes/trousers have been going for a while) but I am at my wits' > > end > > and just can't find a pattern for jodphurs. > > > > Has anyone come across one or knows of a place I could look? Thanks everso, > > any > > help appreciated. > > > > Nicole > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! > > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 07:27:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VBRSbv017176 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:27:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VBLg4d001879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VBLahT074917; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from newmail.logical.net (newmail.logical.net [209.23.116.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VBLWhU074848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from computername (ip-209-23-17-180.modem.logical.net [209.23.17.180]) by newmail.logical.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7VBLMYA015101 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005701c48f4c$a6737f10$b41117d1@computername> From: "Home Ec" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830200743.02588330@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dressdocumentation 1550-1600?) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:21:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 02:49 PM 8/30/2004 +0000, you wrote: >>IIRC, there is an allegorical or symbolical meaning behind the bared >>breast(s) that we see in some portraits. I *think* the meaning is >>something like wedded virtue? Maybe it's supposed to be something else, >>but I've not had my coffee yet... There was this article on the Discovery website. They show some of the pictures, but I won't even try to send them. Rowena http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040517/breasts.html Study: Breast Baring Popular in 1600s By Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News May 17, 2004 - Women of the 1600s, from queens to prostitutes, commonly exposed one or both breasts in public and in the popular media of the day, according to a study of fashion, portraits, prints, and thousands of woodcuts from 17th-century ballads. The finding suggests breast exposure by women in England and in the Netherlands during the 17th century was more accepted than it is in most countries today. Researchers, for example, say Janet Jackson's Super Bowl baring would not even have raised eyebrows in the 17th century. Angela McShane Jones, a lecturer in history at University of Warwick in Coventry, England, became interested in the subject while studying the nearly 2,000 woodcut ballads housed in the Samuel Pepys collection at Cambridge University. Additional ballad sheets located at the British Library, the National Library of Scotland, Harvard University, and other institutions fuelled her study. Ballad sheets served as the pop music and pulp fiction of their time. With a cost between half a penny and a penny, they were affordable, and could be purchased from street hawkers, and at fairs and markets. Most featured a woodcut that illustrated 10 to 14 verses of song. Many of these woodcuts showed women with breasts bared. Jones told Discovery News that the ballad depictions of women coincided with popular fashion. At the time, women often wore low-cut dresses that exposed the chest and breast. In paintings, breast exposure could have symbolic meaning, particularly when only one breast was shown. Jones explained that high court ladies often were painted in allegories as classical figures or as female saints, whose martyrdom usually involved breast removal. Far from being a sign of tawdriness, Jones said breast exposure during the 1600s could indicate a woman's virtue. "The exposure of the breast was a display of the classical and youthful beauty of the woman - she was showing her 'apple like' unused Venus breasts," Jones said. "This was a display of her virtue, her beauty, and her youth. Upper class women maintained the quality of their breasts by not breast feeding their children and passing them on to wet nurses." She added, "Though women outside the upper circles may well have taken to this style, it began as a very high-class fashion which demonstrated high class and classical ideals of female beauty. The husband of a woman dressed like this would be proud to have his classical beauty on display, and for a woman it was part of her honor that she could display her virtue in this way." Jones believes the trend probably started with Agnes Sorel, who was a mistress in the French court during the 1400s. The fashion spread, and was popularized in England by Queen Mary II and Henrietta Maria, the wife of King Charles I. In fact, the famous British architect Inigo Jones designed a dress for Henrietta Maria that fully revealed her breasts. Bernard Capp, professor of history at the University of Warwick, agrees that breast exposure was prevalent, and not scandalous, during certain periods of British history. Capp said during these times, "Revealing attire - worn in the right social spaces - could be fully compatible with virtue and honor." He added that some conservatives and court outsiders, such as the 17th-century Puritan lawyer William Prynne, objected to the popular clothing, which female actresses often wore. Capp said Prynne once criticized Henrietta Maria after she performed in a court masque, and in 1633 wrote, "... women actors (are) notorious whores." The government responded by having his ears chopped off. Breast-displaying fashion had a number of comebacks in the 18th and 19th century, including during the Victorian era. Jones said during many of these bust-baring periods it would have been shocking for a woman to show her shoulders or legs, which were more associated with male sexuality. "I think that parts of the body are sexualized and desexualized for a whole range of reasons," she said. "The breasts have become a part of the body which is seen as entirely sexual, but that could change again." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 12:58:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VGwDfZ019006 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VGvN4d001924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VGvD57098051; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VGte57096739 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.99] (pm7-099.eos.net [205.133.149.99]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7VGtWG5023286 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:55:33 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:52:08 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408311122.i7VBMKhU075248@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my, where to begin? The author of this study/interviewee does not seem to have made any distinction between what women wore in paintings and what they wore in real life; between what respectable woman wore and what actresses wore; or any of the meanings behind a painting or illustration. The fact that respectable women had themselves painted bare-breasted like a classical statue does not mean they went around dressed that way! And then of course, there's disregard for basic physical facts. > "The exposure of the breast was a display of the classical and youthful > beauty of the woman - she was showing her 'apple like' unused Venus > breasts," Jones said. "This was a display of her virtue, her beauty, and her > youth. Upper class women maintained the quality of their breasts by not > breast feeding their children and passing them on to wet nurses." Breasts change because of pregnancy itself, not because of nursing. I could go on, but I think that's enough! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 13:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VHAi2c019083 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:10:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VH9j4d003018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VH9h57007846; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VH9b57007736 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:09:32 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav18.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:09:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:09:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2004 17:09:32.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[489F9B40:01C48F7D] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oh my, where to begin? > > The author of this study/interviewee does not seem to have made any > distinction between what women wore in paintings and what they wore in real > life; between what respectable woman wore and what actresses wore; or any of > the meanings behind a painting or illustration. The fact that respectable > women had themselves painted bare-breasted like a classical statue does not > mean they went around dressed that way! > > And then of course, there's disregard for basic physical facts. > > > "The exposure of the breast was a display of the classical and youthful > > beauty of the woman - she was showing her 'apple like' unused Venus > > breasts," Jones said. "This was a display of her virtue, her beauty, and her > > youth. Upper class women maintained the quality of their breasts by not > > breast feeding their children and passing them on to wet nurses." > > Breasts change because of pregnancy itself, not because of nursing. I could > go on, but I think that's enough! > > Gail Finke Gail, I agree with you on that one. I'm not ready to push away the idea that there might have been a fashion trend, at some point, and under certain circumstances, for baring the breasts. But this article just doesn't analyse things deeply enough to allow me to consider the conclusions valid. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 13:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VHLDVh019131 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHKJ4d004064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHKH57016337; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHJu57015977 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 04142180086A for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:19:47 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 31 Aug 2004 17:18:50 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F2D1FC6129; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:18:49 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:18:49 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:18:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040831171849.F2D1FC6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Gail! I know I should have snipped your post but you made some excellent points. I didn't even know where to begin...The person obviously didn't take into account iconography and masque versus regular clothing. If I thought it would do any good I would suggest they go read my Master's thesis... Anyway, brava for commenting. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- > Oh my, where to begin? > > The author of this study/interviewee does not seem to have made any > distinction between what women wore in paintings and what they wore in real > life; between what respectable woman wore and what actresses wore; or any of > the meanings behind a painting or illustration. The fact that respectable > women had themselves painted bare-breasted like a classical statue does not > mean they went around dressed that way! > > And then of course, there's disregard for basic physical facts. > > > "The exposure of the breast was a display of the classical and youthful > > beauty of the woman - she was showing her 'apple like' unused Venus > > breasts," Jones said. "This was a display of her virtue, her beauty, and her > > youth. Upper class women maintained the quality of their breasts by not > > breast feeding their children and passing them on to wet nurses." > > Breasts change because of pregnancy itself, not because of nursing. I could > go on, but I think that's enough! > > Gail Finke -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 13:37:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VHbhha019303 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHW14d005344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHVw57025767; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHVt57025717 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04150 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:38:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:38:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Gail, I agree with you on that one. I'm not ready to push away the > idea that there might have been a fashion trend, at some point, and > under certain circumstances, for baring the breasts. But this article > just doesn't analyse things deeply enough to allow me to consider the > conclusions valid. What I found glaringly suspect was the comment that the fashion started "in the 1400s with Agnes Sorel." Yes, Agnes was said to be proud of the beauty of her breasts. Yes, she was painted at least once with a bare breast -- as the model for a nursing Madonna, a common enough theme in art. However, the painting was posthumous; the subject may have been deliberately chosen because it gave an excuse to show an exposed breast (whereas regular fashionable dress did not) there is no reason I know of to think that her usual court dress was breast-exposing; and if it was, I wouldn't assume that if the king's mistress went bare-breasted, that it would start a fashion trend among respectable noblewomen. But the biggest problem with that statement is that there doesn't seem to be any connection between 15th c. Agnes and the 17th c. "fashion" being discussed in the article. Fashions changed a *lot* in those 200 years, and although you could probably find religious art with exposed breasts throughout that period, I don't recall any evidence for a continuous *fashionable* use of breast-baring outfits over all that time! And let's not go into the casual statement that female saints' martyrdoms "usually involved breast removal." Or the question of whether Inigo Jones' dress design was masque costume. Or whether "actresses" represented fashionable society. I wonder if the reporter just picked up some tidbits from a lecture or interview and strung them together without understanding the context and nuances of the original statements. A comment like "We see recognizable women depicted in art with bare breasts as early as the 1400s, such as Agnes Sorel, a mistress in the French court" could get transformed by a clueless writer into "The trend started in the 1400s with Agnes Sorel..." If that's what happened, I bet the researcher is mortified. It's articles like this that make our job harder. I can probably expect a spate of well-meaning questions about breast-baring fashions at my lectures now, from people who assume this is all clear and proven because they read it in Discover. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 13:39:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VHdX6d019316 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:39:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHck4d006046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHch57031514; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VHce57031375 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7VHcV308883 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:38:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:44:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5A99D1FE-FB75-11D8-A20F-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ditto what Gail said. I have a very hard time believing that the Church (which named one female garment "The Gates of Hell" for merely showing the form of the body) would allow public bobbing for "Apples". Repeat after me...... ALL-E-GORY.... :D Althea On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 09:52 AM, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Oh my, where to begin? > > The author of this study/interviewee does not seem to have made any > distinction between what women wore in paintings and what they wore in > real > life; between what respectable woman wore and what actresses wore; or > any of > the meanings behind a painting or illustration. The fact that > respectable > women had themselves painted bare-breasted like a classical statue > does not > mean they went around dressed that way! > > And then of course, there's disregard for basic physical facts. > >> "The exposure of the breast was a display of the classical and >> youthful >> beauty of the woman - she was showing her 'apple like' unused Venus >> breasts," Jones said. "This was a display of her virtue, her beauty, >> and her >> youth. Upper class women maintained the quality of their breasts by >> not >> breast feeding their children and passing them on to wet nurses." > > Breasts change because of pregnancy itself, not because of nursing. I > could > go on, but I think that's enough! > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Public Relations Manager Sauron/Voldemort 2004 Bush/Cheney - Bringing Bigotry back to the Constitution. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 14:32:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VIWQd9028349 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VIVj4d012002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VIVg57074375; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mail.cyberonic.com [4.17.179.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VIVV58074285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Katie@katiesorchids.com) Received: from KATIE.katiesorchids.com (node-40240b01.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.11.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7VIokcX011580 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:50:48 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040831112857.00c1e610@mail.katiesorchids.com> X-Sender: katie@katiesorchids.com@mail.katiesorchids.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:31:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Katie Pleasance Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What constitutes baring the breast? Exposing the tops (apples)? Exposing cleavage? Nipples uncovered? To me for a breast to be bared, the nipple needs to be exposed. In the article and subsequent discussion, breast-baring has not been defined. Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 14:55:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VItUqX028476 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:55:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VIsi4d014129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VIrt57091592; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:53:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.215]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VIql57090750 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip05.cluster1.charter.net (mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.135]) by mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7VIqdgT029436 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:52:39 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-3.mazo.wi.charter.com (HELO laptop) (24.196.146.3) by mxip05.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 14:52:39 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,119,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="244350288:sNHT11758440" Message-ID: <006601c48f8b$b3082ca0$0392c418@mad.wi.charter.com> From: To: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:52:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pattern for jacket? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Does anyone know of an available pattern for a jacket like the one below? http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/collection/news/acquisitions/beuck4.htm Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence My arms are too short to box with God. ~Johnny Cash lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 15:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VJAFxt028535 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:10:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJ9O4d015621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJ9H57003933; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJ9D57003875 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7VJ9Avp025988 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040831150455.01b48918@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:09:16 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern for jacket? In-Reply-To: <006601c48f8b$b3082ca0$0392c418@mad.wi.charter.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi there... easy... if you know how to make a pattern or a toile... but I'm guessing you'd rather skip that process... ; > If you would like to go with a pre-made pattern... try Folkwear... the Bolivian jacket might work for this... but I think you would have to add a collar. It's a really easy 4 piece pattern - or you could actually cut the back in one piece... but that eliminates a very convenient tailoring point. Try the pattern - if you have other questions, I'll try to answer... I have three jackets of this type. Love them. Bridgette/ Mari >Does anyone know of an available pattern for a jacket like the one below? > >http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/collection/news/acquisitions/beuck4.htm > >Thanks! webmaster@vet.cornell.edu Mari Stewart College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 15:24:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VJO6Zm028597 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJNM4d017252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJNI57015044; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJNB58014924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (ip092156.uvm.edu [132.198.92.156]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7VJN13T014929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4134D015.1000906@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:23:01 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040831150455.01b48918@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040831150455.01b48918@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crewel/linen at fabric.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO www.fabric.com has just posted a bunch of wool-crewel embroidered linens. I'd love to hear if anyone thinks any of them are appropriate for Elizabethan/Jacobean. It's hard to tell from the swatches. They are $18.95/yd but now through Sept. 13 they are having a 15% off purchase of $30+ sale, coupon code: labor. direct link: http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/shopping-shortcuts-just-arrived-home-decor-crewel.html?ovchn=OTHER&ovcpn=Broadcast+of+8+31+04&ovcrn=Crewel&ovfrd=Silverpop&ovtac=EMAIL - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 15:34:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VJYtFr028665 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJY84d018627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJY357023979; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJXt57023874 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from arkham.cornell.edu (vcs077.vet.cornell.edu [128.253.111.77]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i7VJXrvp026034 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040831153159.01b8e1a0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:33:58 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] crewel/linen at fabric.com In-Reply-To: <4134D015.1000906@uvm.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040831150455.01b48918@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20040831150455.01b48918@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For what it's worth.. I see myself getting 2 yards of this stuff for a short coat. (with a good bit of leftover) Some of the patterns are quite attractive and should give the feeling of "Jacobean". Bridgette / Mari >www.fabric.com has just posted a bunch of wool-crewel embroidered linens. >I'd love to hear if anyone thinks any of them are appropriate for >Elizabethan/Jacobean. It's hard to tell from the swatches. They are >$18.95/yd but now through Sept. 13 they are having a 15% off purchase of >$30+ sale, coupon code: labor. > >direct link: >http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/shopping-shortcuts-just-arrived-home-decor-crewel.html?ovchn=OTHER&ovcpn=Broadcast+of+8+31+04&ovcrn=Crewel&ovfrd=Silverpop&ovtac=EMAIL > >- Hope webmaster@vet.cornell.edu Mari Stewart College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 15:49:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VJnemw028737 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJn04d020190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJmw57035840; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJmp57035742 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7VK9WhA044874 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i7VK9WYU044873 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200408312009.i7VK9WYU044873@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article In-Reply-To: <20040831171849.F2D1FC6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Thank you Gail! I know I should have snipped your post but you made some excellent points. I didn't even know where to begin...The person obviously didn't take into account iconography and masque versus regular clothing. If I thought it would do any good I would suggest they go read my Master's thesis... Anyway, brava for commenting. Ooh, what was your Thesis on? InterLibraryLoan is your friend! Susan (who's thesis was on Trillium) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 15:52:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VJq8Xf028748 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJog4d020353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VJoX57037125; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51108.mail.yahoo.com (web51108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.150]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7VJoK57036873 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticcheri@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040831184409.66191.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.253.34] by web51108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:44:09 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheri Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Gail Finke Gail, I agree with you on that one. I'm not ready to push away the idea that there might have been a fashion trend, at some point, and under certain circumstances, for baring the breasts. But this article just doesn't analyse things deeply enough to allow me to consider the conclusions valid. That's just it. It's an article. Not meant to be her entire study with all the information. Most of the general public does not want to read that. Anne Go softly and gently for those you meet here will be those you know hereafter." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 16:10:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VKAar4028827 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:10:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VK9a4d022428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VK9Q57052608; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VK8w58052096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C179ADBE1E for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip244.97.78.64.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.244]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA50FDBFFD for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <162101c48f95$a1bdb500$f4614e40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040831150455.01b48918@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <4134D015.1000906@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] crewel/linen at fabric.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:03:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Greenberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] crewel/linen at fabric.com > www.fabric.com has just posted a bunch of wool-crewel embroidered > linens. I'd love to hear if anyone thinks any of them are appropriate > for Elizabethan/Jacobean. Does this mean that Evil Stephen has become Cruel Stephen instead? Sorry, couldn't help myself... slinking away Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 18:24:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VMONKh029433 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VMNH4d008755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VMNDxv062736; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VML9xv061204 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836E9345F0 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040831152037.02465500@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:21:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dressdocumentation 1550-1600?) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040830233751.01a3ca10@mail.frys.com> References: <200408310100.20830.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830194344.02411b80@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:39 PM 8/30/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Vecellio has opinions on this, and he's a few hundred years closer to the >originals than we are. I'd look there first, and see if I could >extrapolate something from his images. > > CarolynKayta Barrows Oh, thanks for the pointer. I think I have that book around here somewhere... Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 18:28:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VMSP3C029450 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:28:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VMQQ4d009089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:26:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VMQNxv065153; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VMQHxw065107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-114.sonic.net [209.148.112.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7VMQEwm011874 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:26:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4134FB28.8080703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:26:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For those who like romantic Irish capes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.irishtinker.com/sweaters/images/capes.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 19:20:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VNKb6a029716 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:20:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNJr4d017045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNJixv005994; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNJdxv005927 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema (adsl-69-107-94-20.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.20]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7VNJZCZ012594 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:19:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20040831161553.01717840@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:24:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like romantic Irish capes In-Reply-To: <4134FB28.8080703@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://www.irishtinker.com/sweaters/images/capes.asp I got all inspired by the ruana below the capes. I could crochet one of those, using all that "interesting" yarn I have in small quantities and didn't know what to do with. Thanks so much for the link. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 19:46:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VNkAhP029840 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNjP4d020028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNjLxv023160; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNjJxv023056 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sbuchler@silicongenetics.com) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE:[h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2751@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 700 Thread-Index: AcSPTVkQJ9hntuqOQf6IExNZK4mnlwAZQ4DA From: "Sunny Buchler" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7VNjJxv023056 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just to add my 2 cents to the discussion on http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg I'm rather large breasted (DD cup), and I can achieve the look of the 2 ladies in red while still being very secure. (Though the look was even better when I was about 20 pounds heaver...) The trick is to apply quite a lot of pressure from the top of the nipple down (so the nipple ends up being tucked under the bulk of the breast. The breast ends up pushed up quite high but there's no way that the nipples will pop out -- however it looks like I'm showing a lot more of the breast then I actually am (just like in the picture). Unfortunately I'm still in the early mock-up stage for the dress that I'm using this technique for, so I don't have pictures to put on the web. To argue on the other side of the discussion, I cannot achieve the looks from these two pictures, without being precarious. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan1575.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan21575.jpg -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 19:46:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7VNku3F029844 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:46:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNkJ4d020128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNkIxv023728; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from incoming.SIGENETICS.com ([209.172.110.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VNjJxv023057 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sbuchler@silicongenetics.com) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE:[h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2751@incoming.sigenetics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 700 Thread-Index: AcSPTVkQJ9hntuqOQf6IExNZK4mnlwAZQ4DA From: "Sunny Buchler" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i7VNjJxv023057 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just to add my 2 cents to the discussion on http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg I'm rather large breasted (DD cup), and I can achieve the look of the 2 ladies in red while still being very secure. (Though the look was even better when I was about 20 pounds heaver...) The trick is to apply quite a lot of pressure from the top of the nipple down (so the nipple ends up being tucked under the bulk of the breast. The breast ends up pushed up quite high but there's no way that the nipples will pop out -- however it looks like I'm showing a lot more of the breast then I actually am (just like in the picture). Unfortunately I'm still in the early mock-up stage for the dress that I'm using this technique for, so I don't have pictures to put on the web. To argue on the other side of the discussion, I cannot achieve the looks from these two pictures, without being precarious. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan1575.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan21575.jpg -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 20:04:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i81044eQ029969 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8103N4d022441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8103Kxv039519; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i81038xw039402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:03:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8101ZTA005335 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:01:35 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <413511BB.9010104@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:03:07 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > I wonder if the reporter just picked up some tidbits from a lecture or > interview Or the book _A History of the Breast_ which is slightly fluffy social history, but I found it fairly credible when I read it a year or two ago. A side note, not on this topic: Those of you who are relatively new to email discussions may not know that it is standard to put comments and replies under what you're replying to (if you quote it at all). Having your bit on top can be confusing, because it's harder to follow the flow of discussion. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pré Argent Register to vote! Don't let that other guy win! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 20:18:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i810Irbb030014 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:18:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810Hv4d024011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810Hpxv052850; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810Hlxv052736 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 0E73218018C0 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:17:41 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2004 00:17:40 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BC5B23384D; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:17:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:17:40 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:17:40 +0000 Subject: RE:[h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040901001740.BC5B23384D@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I admit to coming very late to this thread but, my two pence on the subject is, I think that a number of Italian gowns from at least the middle of the 16th century were cut very low, some from the nipple line and some below the breasts but it was usually the camisa that kept everything covered. I don't know enough of 16th century Italian culture to tell what the cultural significance of the various neckline heights was but, I don't think one would be out of line to say that they were worn that way at least some of the time. Of course, one can't ignore the fact that some of the portraits aren't painted by the best artists and some of the proportions are a trifle odd, but there are enough of the imagesIt isn't actually as uncomfortable as it looks, even at a DD+ (for example, my gown is cut below the nipple line http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/Danielle.htm ) For example: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/VenetianLovers.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/HusbandandWife.JPG (cut higher but still hovering around the nipple line) http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/PortraitOfALady1530.jpg (definitely cut near the bottom of the bustline) http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LICINIO3.JPG (again hovering around the nipple line with a higher camisa) The image "Venetian Province?, The Republic of Venice; Unknown artist of the Venetian School, 1540s: Portrait of a Young Woman" on the page http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/artgallery3.htm http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LadyInWhite.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ven4.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BellaNani1560.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fresco2.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Trictrac.JPG http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/florentine/flor15.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor2.html (in this case, one can't dismiss the reference to Mary Magdalene but it doesn't differ too much from non allegorical or representative images) http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor3.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor4.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor17.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor29.html (this one is clearly below the bust line) http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor28.html (as is this one) http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor33.html (and this one) http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor20.html Anyway, you get the idea... Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 20:23:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i810NWMm030048 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:23:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810Ms4d024556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810Mpxv055997; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810Mmxv055923 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B743D1800DAD for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:22:43 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2004 00:22:43 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 725F43384B; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:22:38 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:22:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040901002243.725F43384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Farmer > Thank you Gail! I know I should have snipped your post but you made some excellent points. I didn't even know where to begin...The person obviously didn't take into account iconography and masque versus regular clothing. If I thought it would do any good I would suggest they go read my Master's thesis... Anyway, brava for commenting. Ooh, what was your Thesis on? InterLibraryLoan is your friend! Susan (who's thesis was on Trillium) Hi Susan, It was on English women's embroidered jackets from around the turn of the 17th century. I plan to turn it into a book when i am done my PhD. You would not believe the amount of information they made me cut out of it. If it helps, I was at the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul Minnesota. Cheers, Danielle -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 20:27:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i810Rgwd030078 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:27:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810R24d024962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810R1xv058192; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810R0xv058129 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 726D81800282 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:26:55 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2004 00:26:55 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4AD36C6129; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:26:55 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:26:55 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:26:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern for jacket? X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040901002655.4AD36C6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooo, I love that painting. I never could decide if it was a normal jacket/doublet that had been pushed back to look like it has a peplum or flared over the hips or whether it was cut more along the lines of some of the English embroidered jackets. Either way, I don't know of a specific pattern for it. Good luck. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: > Does anyone know of an available pattern for a jacket like the one below? > > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/collection/news/acquisitions/beuck4.htm > > Thanks! > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 20:31:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i810VoD8030093 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:31:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810V94d025389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810V9xv060522; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810V4xv060438 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C9BA51800427 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:30:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2004 00:30:59 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A06C43384B; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:30:59 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [130.88.96.65] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for dannw@lycos.com; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:30:59 +0000 From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:30:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] crewel/linen at fabric.com X-Originating-Ip: 130.88.96.65 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040901003059.A06C43384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A couple of them don't look too bad for Jacobean but I find the pattern a bit coarse for that time period. With large pattern repeats, they would have to be used on something large like a skirt or loose gown to get the most of the fabric. Something like a doublet, I think, would not do the fabric justice. However, to me, most of them look much more 18th century than 16th/early 17th. Cheers, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Greenberg > www.fabric.com has just posted a bunch of wool-crewel embroidered > linens. I'd love to hear if anyone thinks any of them are appropriate > for Elizabethan/Jacobean. It's hard to tell from the swatches. They are > $18.95/yd but now through Sept. 13 they are having a 15% off purchase of > $30+ sale, coupon code: labor. > > direct link: > http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/shopping-shortcuts-just-arrived-home-decor-crewel.html?ovchn=OTHER&ovcpn=Broadcast+of+8+31+04&ovcrn=Crewel&ovfrd=Silverpop&ovtac=EMAIL > > - Hope > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 20:50:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i810oqCJ030172 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:50:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810o34d026810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810nxxv070806; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810ntxv070773 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m189.in-tch.com [216.166.191.189]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i810nH829961 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41351DB2.4050801@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:54:10 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern for jacket? References: <006601c48f8b$b3082ca0$0392c418@mad.wi.charter.com> In-Reply-To: <006601c48f8b$b3082ca0$0392c418@mad.wi.charter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen a pattern for one, specifically, although it's definitely part of a project I'm working on for an event in October (and I've got the loveliest dark-madder colored wool for it!). I'm going to develop my own pattern, probably working off a couple of prototypes--one will be based more on some of the embroidered jackets one sees right at the very end of the 16th and more often into the 17th c., and the other will be based on , oh, what the heck are those, uhm...18th c. short gowns? The ones that look like a flared, hip-length jacket but have simple pieces like tee-tunics, and are often held shut with a pin or two? Both jacket styles, although clearly separated by significant stretches of time, have fairly straight-forward construction. The jacobean jackets are closer in time to the ones in the painting, but the "flare" is in the wrong places (inserted in wedges, rather than looking like it just comes out right over the hip, almost like a gore, only there's no pictorial evidence of a seam there). The short gown instructions don't have quite the right sleeves, and are definitely too late for a 16th c. Flemish outfit, but have something of the right shape in the body pieces. I'm thinking, maybe, 2 pieces for the front, with no visible means of closure, and one or two pieces for the back (depending on fit), with the hip flare coming from the side seams only. And basic inset sleeves, with a *little* bit of fullness in the upper half, but only a little. Probably lined in linen, as well. That's my theory, at any rate! --sue, who adores 16th c. working class stuff, and just has to buckle down and *make* some of it! lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > Does anyone know of an available pattern for a jacket like the one below? > > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/collection/news/acquisitions/beuck4.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 21:02:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i81122MI030232 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:02:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8110l4d027795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8110ixv076789; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:00:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8110gxv076726 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id 6.86.14d24e15 (25508) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <86.14d24e15.2e667930@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:00:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern for jacket? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:28:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@lycos.com writes: > I never could decide if it was a normal jacket/doublet that had been pushed > back to look like it has a peplum or flared over the hips or whether it was > cut more along the lines of some of the English embroidered jackets. If the year is around 1560, I'd say it's cut like a doublet. There seems to be a seam at the waist for the peplum which looks to be cut in one [maybe two] pieces shaped in an arc. There doesn't seem to be any seams in the back...maybe one CB. Perhaps a seam under the arm. The shaping in front done with a curved CF opening. It's hard to tell if the jacket is done [buttoned?] up or not. I'll bet it has a shallow point [and so does the other gown laced up the front...except you can't see it for the apron] Anyway, that's how I'd draft it: A jacket with 3 or 4 pieces to the body and a curved peplum [in one or several pieces] plus sleeves with a full cap.....I'd do them 2 curved pieces, or at least run one curved seam on the inside arm so it's set in the armseye several inch to the front. The whole thing could be based on that woman's doublet in Janet Arnold. And remember this is an allegorical painting so the artist may have made things up. But that's no reason not to make one up and wear it. It's a great looking outfit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 21:02:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8112wsU030238 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810vF4d027422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810vCxv074732; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i810vAxv074706 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m189.in-tch.com [216.166.191.189]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id i810uW802238 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <41351F65.40103@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:01:25 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article References: <413511BB.9010104@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <413511BB.9010104@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Uh, actually, no. It quite depends on the list, I think. Virtually all of mine seem to do the top-down commenting. I, for one, can't stand scrolling to the bottom of something to try to figure out whose comment is whose. I find it an especial pain on those lists that I get in digest form--trying to count the number of little ">" marks is downright annoying..... --sue's personal preferences Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > >> I wonder if the reporter just picked up some tidbits from a lecture or >> interview > > > Or the book _A History of the Breast_ which is slightly fluffy social > history, but I found it fairly credible when I read it a year or two ago. > > > A side note, not on this topic: Those of you who are relatively new to > email discussions may not know that it is standard to put comments and > replies under what you're replying to (if you quote it at all). Having > your bit on top can be confusing, because it's harder to follow the flow > of discussion. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 21:07:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8117U5B030247 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:07:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8116g4d028222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8116fxv080133; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com ([199.170.202.32]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8116Zxv080094 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i811RKhA047129 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:27:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id i811RKMH047128 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200409010127.i811RKMH047128@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article In-Reply-To: <20040901002243.725F43384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Susan Farmer > > > Thank you Gail! I know I should have snipped your post but you made some excellent points. I didn't even know where to begin...The person obviously didn't take into account iconography and masque versus regular clothing. If I thought it would do any good I would suggest they go read my Master's thesis... Anyway, brava for commenting. > > Ooh, what was your Thesis on? InterLibraryLoan is your friend! > > Susan (who's thesis was on Trillium) > > Hi Susan, > > It was on English women's embroidered jackets from around the turn of the 17th century. I plan to turn it into a book when i am done my PhD. You would not believe the amount of information they made me cut out of it. If it helps, I was at the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul Minnesota. Sounds nifty! I just might have to read that one. And I would believe what they'd make you gut out. I had an entire appendix (~150 pages) that got gutted from mine! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 21:18:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i811IJOj030299 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:18:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i811H64d028828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i811H3xv085801; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i811H0xv085723 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07665 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:23:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:23:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article In-Reply-To: <41351F65.40103@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia wrote: > > A side note, not on this topic: Those of you who are relatively new to > > email discussions may not know that it is standard to put comments and > > replies under what you're replying to (if you quote it at all). Having > > your bit on top can be confusing, because it's harder to follow the flow > > of discussion. Sue responded: > Uh, actually, no. It quite depends on the list, I think. Virtually > all of mine seem to do the top-down commenting. Funny, top-posting is practically a crime in a lot of Usenet groups as well as other lists I'm on. However, some e-mail software is built to make top-posting the default. This may make more sense for business correspondence, in whic you want to preserve an intact copy of an earlier message as a record, underneath what you're saying. It makes less sense for a back-and-forth interchange, like this one. Sue continued: > I, for one, can't stand scrolling to the bottom of something to try to > figure out whose comment is whose. The problem, then, is overquoting -- when someone reproduces a whole message rather than cutting to the germane parts -- and failure to fix the attributions. I find posts easiest to follow when the new material is interspersed with the old, and the quoted material (if it involves more than one person) clearly marked with the name of the person who wrote it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 21:57:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i811vNUO030448 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:57:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i811uf4d001526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i811uaxv006748; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i811uXxv006709 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jlkelley@ix.netcom.com) Received: from user-2injrgv.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.238.31] helo=Meza2K) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C2KMS-0007W0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:56:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:14:07 -0500 From: jlkelley X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: slight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <629503865.20040831211407@ix.netcom.com> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re[2]: [h-cost] OT (slightly): transferring pattern markings to fabric In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have read most of this thread and have not seen this suggested. Use the tracing wheel once to make holes in the pattern. Then, when you need to use the pattern, use a chalk bag to make the marking onto the fabric, then use running stitches to make it last. This way you only make the holes once in the pattern. This is an old practice to transfer embroidery patterns to fabric. -- Best regards, Jonica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:27:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812Rl0j030565 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:27:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Qo4d003473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Qgxv023696; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Qcxw023655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i812U26c032305 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:30:03 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:35:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2751@incoming.sigenetics.com> In-Reply-To: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2751@incoming.sigenetics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408312235.46873.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 31 August 2004 7:45 pm, Sunny Buchler wrote: > Just to add my 2 cents to the discussion on > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg > > I'm rather large breasted (DD cup), and I can achieve the look of the 2 > ladies in red while still being very secure. (Though the look was even > better when I was about 20 pounds heaver...) The trick is to apply quite a > lot of pressure from the top of the nipple down (so the nipple ends up > being tucked under the bulk of the breast. The breast ends up pushed up > quite high but there's no way that the nipples will pop out -- however it > looks like I'm showing a lot more of the breast then I actually am (just > like in the picture). That's interesting. But in a way it supports what I said about it being a fashion that was titillating because it gave the impression that something erotic was about to show.... -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:28:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812Sac6030571 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:28:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Rn4d003534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Rmxv024269; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Rhxw024231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i812V7PX032334 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:31:07 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: breast exposure article Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:36:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408312236.51778.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 31 August 2004 9:23 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] > I find posts easiest to follow when the new material is interspersed with > the old, and the quoted material (if it involves more than one person) > clearly marked with the name of the person who wrote it. I agree with Robin, and I try to post this way (though I admit I sometimes screw up). :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:37:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812b5CX030605 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812aQ4d004121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812aPxv028721; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.228]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812aLxv028634 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip14.cluster1.charter.net (mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.144]) by mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i812aDKU004888 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:36:13 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-3.mazo.wi.charter.com (HELO laptop) (24.196.146.3) by mxip14.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 22:36:13 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,120,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="257503189:sNHT13076504" Message-ID: <005001c48fcc$7509e6a0$0392c418@mad.wi.charter.com> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <86.14d24e15.2e667930@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern for jacket? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:36:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > And remember this is an allegorical painting so the artist may have made > things up. But that's no reason not to make one up and wear it. It's a great > looking outfit. Actually, I couldn't find an online of the painting I wanted, but it is another Beuckelaer called "The Meal Scene", unless that's an allegory too. I have a print of it from Drea's "The Well Dress'd Peasant" and there is a woman wearing a jacket like this in a bluish-green color. But again, no seams shown anywhere (no side, no back, no side back, not even shoulders!) I'm pretty certain it would be impossible to get a jacket cut out in one piece ;-) so any suggestions are great. I'm definitely eyeing the Bolivian Milkmaid jacket, as there seems to be a view on that pattern that gives a bit of flare without inserted gores, like the Jacobean jackets use. Does anyone have other pictorial instances where this sort of jacket is worn? I work at a Renn Faire at an inn, where we do cooking over open fire. On colder mornings I was thinking a jacket would be easier to work in than a cloak. I really need to work on a full Flemish outfit - that would just about perfect, but I need to do a bit more fitting for a smock and kirtle that will hold me without the use of a corset. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot Bristol Renaissance Faire, Guilde of St. Lawrence My arms are too short to box with God. ~Johnny Cash lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:37:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812buie030612 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Vw4d003792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Vuxv026385; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812Vrxw026359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i812ZGWc032459 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:35:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dressdocumentation 1550-1600?) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:41:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040830205843.0240e8d8@64.87.54.245> <4.1.20040830233751.01a3ca10@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20040830233751.01a3ca10@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408312241.01484.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 31 August 2004 2:39 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: [I wrote] > >Agreed. Perhaps the height of the neckline will turn out to be a major > >clue. :-) > > Vecellio has opinions on this, and he's a few hundred years closer to the > originals than we are. I'd look there first, and see if I could > extrapolate something from his images. Indeed. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:49:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812nA3T030646 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812mT4d005020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812mQxv035177; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812mOxw035141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i812pkpU000502 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:51:46 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jodphur pattern? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:57:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040831082727.93944.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040831082727.93944.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408312257.30847.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 31 August 2004 4:27 am, Marquesate wrote: > Hi All, > > It might be slightly OT because it isn't quite historical (though jodphur > riding breeckes/trousers have been going for a while) but I am at my wits' > end and just can't find a pattern for jodphurs. > > Has anyone come across one or knows of a place I could look? Thanks everso, > any help appreciated. AlterYears used to carry patterns for equestrian gear in their pattern catalog (but I haven't got a new catalog from them in a long time). -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:50:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812oes9030649 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:50:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812nw4d005120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812nvxv035931; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812nrxw035902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:49:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i812rI36000550 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:53:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:59:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <200408310039.38113.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4c5accc804083021396297ab5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c5accc804083021396297ab5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408312259.02670.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 31 August 2004 12:39 am, Kristalori History wrote: > Well my great grandmother was born in 1901 and my grandfather who is > still with us and over active if anything (he has a gf half his age) > was born in 1926. His family the one I was raised with for the most > part were direct decendents of Sir William Johnson on his father's > side and his mother (my GG) was a Salls. [snip] You are even more fortunate. I never knew any of my grandparents, let alone great-grandparents. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 22:59:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i812xMor030696 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:59:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812sE4d005374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812sExv038196; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.46.83]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i812sCxv038117 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:54:06 -0700 Received: from 66.130.163.130 by bay9-dav26.bay9.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:54:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.130.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <0D3431E0FD777844A4ED9507E4D698D90D2751@incoming.sigenetics.com> Subject: Re: RE:[h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s (was Pregnancy dress Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:54:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2004 02:54:06.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2435370:01C48FCE] X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > To argue on the other side of the discussion, I cannot achieve the looks from these two pictures, without being precarious. > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan1575.jpg > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Courtesan21575.jpg It just looks to me like a drawing from someone who can't draw properly... ehehe :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813Gq25030765 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813GB4d006814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813G5xv050615; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813G2xv050593 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCB52BF8E for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p150.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.152]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 248F8C43D for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:16:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <629503865.20040831211407@ix.netcom.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] extreme transferring X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sometimes if the pattern will be reused over and over. Laminate the piece, prick holes in it. When you need to mark the fabric, dust it with some powder. The powder will go through the holes and mark the spot with a dotted line. You can then take a marking pencil and complete the line or take a needle and thread and do a running stitch. A little trick with the latter. If you are marking the same dart, pleat on similar pieces like darts in a bodice, stack the fabric mark one piece and using needle and thread do a very loose running stitch. Slowly peel back the two layers and snip the threads. You now have two marked pieces. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:21:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813Lo3j030802 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:21:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813Kv4d007234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813Kuxv053468; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813Ktxv053455 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E7E11B36 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040831200642.00b13e50@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:20:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <413511BB.9010104@thibault.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id i813Ktxv053455 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] standards of reply (was: breast exposure article) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:03 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >A side note, not on this topic: Those of you who are relatively new to >email discussions may not know that it is standard to put comments and >replies under what you're replying to (if you quote it at all). Having >your bit on top can be confusing, because it's harder to follow the flow >of discussion. > >-- >Cynthia Virtue and/or >Cynthia du Pré Argent Hello Cynthia, If I may add to this discourse with my two-pence. I have been doing email discussions for many years, and I have yet to see a written, by-the-book standard for replying to email, on a mail list, a forum, or otherwise. Even my college courses in writing and the Internet did not offer a standard for written e-replies. However, most people do agree to clip excess original comments if they do not pertain to the replied comment, as they otherwise take up bandwidth. I usually prefer to quote the original, then add in my comments in between where it explains best. My Eudora program seems to set things where original posts are quoted at the top, with replies at the bottom. To that mail program, this reply is a standard. It also helps me as my signature will be appended at the end of my writing, where it makes sense, instead of at the end of the quoted writing, where it may not make sense. Sometimes I prefer to comment at the top, when it may only be a short comment, and the quoted material is lengthy. I usually use that to clarify why I am forwarding something to someone else. Each is different, used for different reasons, and I believe each poster will reply differently as they desire. Viva le difference!!! Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:29:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813Tlmi030830 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:29:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813S64d007753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813S5xv057434; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813S0xv057400 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57C234BFC for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040831202653.00b13e50@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:27:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE:[h-cost] Italian Dress 1570-80s In-Reply-To: <20040901001740.BC5B23384D@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:17 AM 9/1/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Anyway, you get the idea... > >Cheers, >Danielle Thank you Danielle for your input on this. I only had the time to briefly look at the images you posted, but I will be looking at them in more detail soon (when my son gets to bed). Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:42:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813gNZ0030877 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813fR4d008510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813fPxv065155; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813fMxv065102 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so224630rnl for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.73.36 with SMTP id v36mr1953732rna; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc804083120414d271548@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:41:18 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parental sewing issues : was baggy pants In-Reply-To: <200408312259.02670.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <197.2dd6a629.2e6515dc@aol.com> <200408310039.38113.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4c5accc804083021396297ab5@mail.gmail.com> <200408312259.02670.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually my son got to know her briefly before her death in '98 he doesn't have too many memories of her but the few he has he enjoys. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:59:02 -0400, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > You are even more fortunate. I never knew any of my grandparents, let alone > great-grandparents. --- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:46:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813kOKc030914 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:46:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813eZ4d008446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813eVxv064594; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813eUxv064569 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08632 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:46:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:46:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DC lecture, official info (website) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Finally, a web page on my DC lecture day (Oct. 16). Feel free to forward around: http://www.oakenstaff.com/netherton/ --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813ndSs030932 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813mu4d009025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813msxv069375; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:48:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813mpxv069346 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so366002rnk for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.76 with SMTP id m76mr1962932rne; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.44 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc8040831204826eadb4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:48:49 -0400 From: Kristalori History To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] standards of reply (was: breast exposure article) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040831200642.00b13e50@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040831200642.00b13e50@64.87.54.245> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm going to jump in on this volatile band wagon with this there *is* places on the web with guidelines and some of them are very old ancient documents written by the elders of the internet (well that's my tongue in cheek statement anyhow) Please see: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1855.html http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Cv8JK7.2xI%40deshaw.com http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cs/Services/rfc/index.html http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1855.html http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TrimYourPosts On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:20:51 -0700, Kimiko Small wrote: > Hello Cynthia, > > If I may add to this discourse with my two-pence. I have been doing email > discussions for many years, and I have yet to see a written, by-the-book > standard for replying to email, on a mail list, a forum, or otherwise. > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small -- "Pardon me, Lady Tudor Glitz, but telling people things aren't period isn't period." Italian Ladies 2005 Calendar http://www.lulu.com/kristalori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 31 23:52:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i813qVqS030938 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:52:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813om4d009112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813okxv070429; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.spiritone.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i813oixw070378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i813oeoT003335 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:50:41 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] standards of reply (was: breast exposure article) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:00:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040831200642.00b13e50@64.87.54.245> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use Outlook both at work and here at home. I read most of my mail via the preview page, and it drives me nuts when someone has a one liner reply to a long post and puts it at the bottom. I have to scroll through everything, and just to add insult to injury the reply line is right at the bottom of the quoted passage making it hard to find (grumble, waste of time, grumble :-). I think Kimiko has the answer that our tastes are formed by the particular browser we are using so one size just isn't going to fit us all here either! Regina > > > Sometimes I > prefer to comment at the top, when it may only be a short > comment, and the > quoted material is lengthy. I usually use that to clarify why I am > forwarding something to someone else. Each is different, used for > different > reasons, and I believe each poster will reply differently as they desire. > > Viva le difference!!! > > Kimiko > > > Kimiko Small > Owner ~ DreamTime Studios > http://www.dreamtime-studios.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 1 00:22:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i814MlWT031008 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:22:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i814Ll4d011465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i814Ldxv087523; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i814Lbxv087503 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF50B2C02B for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (t2p150.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.152]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD8BBC5E7 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:21:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] standards of reply (was: breast exposure article) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was informed that it was impolite to post answers before the question. I post after when I remember to be polite. De -----Original Message----- I use Outlook both at work and here at home. I read most of my mail via the preview page, and it drives me nuts when someone has a one liner reply to a long post and puts it at the bottom. I have to scroll through everything, and just to add insult to injury the reply line is right at the bottom of the quoted passage making it hard to find (grumble, waste of time, grumble :-). I think Kimiko has the answer that our tastes are formed by the particular browser we are using so one size just isn't going to fit us all here either! Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 1 03:20:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i817KJ2e026609 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 03:20:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i817JV4d021540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i817JUxv078358; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i817JTxv078337 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D89110BE for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040901001325.00b14368@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:27 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Straight trim, curved places X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, New question for those of you who have worked with trims a lot. I tend to work with cording and other forms of decoration, so I haven't done much with wider trims. I am trying to figure out how to make a wide 2.5" Jacquard trim go around curves? The trim is not very stretchy, and I would like for it to go around the bottom of a man's base. I am making my husband a Henry VIII style doublet with attached base, and the base is a circle skirt that I will organ pleat into place. I am also hoping to make it go around the shallow curve around the neck and tummy areas. Any suggestions? Or would it be better to find/make a bias trim instead? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Kimiko Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume