From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 05:03:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1A3fwW020695 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:03:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1A2JJo025310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1A28Q8069388; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1A25q0069321 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:59:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] thoughts on a sleeve To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792570@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] thoughts on a sleeve Thread-Index: AcTXEHaFuxtDgFohQAyuiYYa0R3ziQAe6Bxg content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/611/Mon Nov 29 07:02:55 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/611/Mon Nov 29 07:02:55 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of > h-costume-request@indra.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:09 PM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 923 > > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: thoughts on a sleeve (Teddy) > 2. Re: thoughts on a sleeve (Kate Pinner) > 3. Re: thoughts on a sleeve (AlbertCat@aol.com) > 4. RE: thoughts on a sleeve (otsisto) > 5. RE: thoughts on a sleeve (Kate Pinner) > 6. Re: thoughts on a sleeve (E House) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:30:43 +0000 > From: Teddy > Subject: Re: [h-cost] thoughts on a sleeve > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > > <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792563@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Would all this be over a grey (or dark lavendar, depending on > your monitor) > undergarment? Or another gown? Erm... I no longer have the link to the picture - the layer closest to the skin would be white (the smock/shift/chemise layer), the gown itself appears to be the black with orange edging (possibly plain black over and orange undergown.... open to interpretation there, with a white shawl over it that looks grey where it is over the black. I don't recall a visible undergown layer.... but there's no reason there *wouldn't * be an undergown beneath this style of gown,that I know of. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 05:09:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1A9h54023101 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1A8pJo025511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:08:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1A8m5Z073101; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1A2rSn069810 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:00:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] thoughts on a sleeve To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792571@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] thoughts on a sleeve Thread-Index: AcTXEHaFuxtDgFohQAyuiYYa0R3ziQAfA0EQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/611/Mon Nov 29 07:02:55 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/611/Mon Nov 29 07:02:55 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Wait....didn't I say that? ;-) Very probably, but I was busy misinterpreting the picture at the time... 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However, recently, I find that I am in need of the list’s expertise in trying to figure out a question. It has been an issue for me to research the dress of “fortune tellers” and diviners pre 1650 a.d. I have located three very good paintings that show these wise women/con artists from period and was struck by an article of clothing that most, if not all, seem to wear. It is a drape. A large rectangular piece of simple or decorated fabric that is pinned at one shoulder and then draped around as if it were a himation from ancient Greek period. The fortuneteller is typically shown wearing a chemise and a skirt and this drape. No real indication of a bodice. Can anyone give any more idea of the history of this garment and if there are any other images from period (probably just Renaissance) that would help me understand what is going on? THANK YOU!! S. 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It is gorgeous........... http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+whatsnew0304.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 17:47:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1Mlhbh008666 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:47:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1MkeJo014838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:46:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1MkXBo083869; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1MkU1a083750 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.199]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041201224625.SUNT1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:46:25 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c4d7f7$cf4c6200$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041201164416.94716.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:47:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello! These ladies are all wearing similar clothing as they are all supposed to be wearing the cultural garments of the Rom, or the gypsy people. So instead of thinking 'fortune teller' think *Rom woman* who is telling fortunes. Fortune telling was not exclusive to the Rom, but most period art tends to portray them as doing so. :-) Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ghislaine-SCA" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical > Unto the list, > > I hardly post, as my costuming is few and far between. > However, recently, I find that I am in need of the > list's expertise in trying to figure out a question. > > It has been an issue for me to research the dress of > "fortune tellers" and diviners pre 1650 a.d. I have > located three very good paintings that show these wise > women/con artists from period and was struck by an > article of clothing that most, if not all, seem to > wear. > > It is a drape. A large rectangular piece of simple or > decorated fabric that is pinned at one shoulder and > then draped around as if it were a himation from > ancient Greek period. The fortuneteller is typically > shown wearing a chemise and a skirt and this drape. > No real indication of a bodice. > > Can anyone give any more idea of the history of this > garment and if there are any other images from period > (probably just Renaissance) that would help me > understand what is going on? > > THANK YOU!! > > S. Linehan/Ghislaine d'Auxerre > ************************************** > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOnezoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&view mode=1&item=60%2E30 > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/valentin/fortunet.html > > http://www.masterpiece-paintings-gallery.com/caravaggio-fortune-95.htm > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 18:03:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1N31px008810 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:03:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1N2CJo016488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:02:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1N261q097276; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1N1nq3096958 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004120123014101300d71ebe>; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:01:41 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.228] by 204.127.197.115; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:01:39 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:01:39 +0000 Message-Id: <120120042301.5155.41AE4D53000CC0E40000142322007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *wipe**wipe*. Anyone who opens Bjarne's fabric link had better have a drool mop handy!!! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > got a newsletter from Hyena Fabrics, it is not because i want to make any > commercially things here, i just wanted to share with you. > It is gorgeous........... > > http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+whatsnew0304.htm > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 18:47:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1Nlppp009343 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:47:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1Nl6Jo021084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1Nkp3Z036372; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41805.mail.yahoo.com (web41805.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB1NknPo036256 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99853 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 23:46:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=GWtwIEthOoq/d0mWxy4M4qi1BGwPvIwlU0L5rriLs1jI7yeP+4kwrxZi4nJifRjqVeBvFk4Epp0XnuGQCFftXmmHM66aimnXJqZlM4EBkrnf7Zc6EcKyEuMW2G4ISnCXBCh/Ngd06ew4lTVLKpfpONg7Ph/onCjxzsLFmJgWzwk= ; Message-ID: <20041201234644.99851.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.178.13] by web41805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:46:44 PST Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical Web site for info within the SCA To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003401c4d7f7$cf4c6200$cb6afea9@sherry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The best place for information on historic Gypsies (Rom) dealing within the SCA time period I have found is http://www.latchodrom.org You will find both articles and paintings. I hope this helps, --- Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Hello! > > These ladies are all wearing similar clothing as > they are all supposed to be > wearing the cultural garments of the Rom, or the > gypsy people. So instead of > thinking 'fortune teller' think *Rom woman* who is > telling fortunes. Fortune > telling was not exclusive to the Rom, but most > period art tends to portray > them as doing so. :-) > > > Sheridan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ghislaine-SCA" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:44 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical > > > > Unto the list, > > > > I hardly post, as my costuming is few and far > between. > > However, recently, I find that I am in need of > the > > list's expertise in trying to figure out a > question. > > > > It has been an issue for me to research the dress > of > > "fortune tellers" and diviners pre 1650 a.d. I > have > > located three very good paintings that show these > wise > > women/con artists from period and was struck by an > > article of clothing that most, if not all, seem to > > wear. > > > > It is a drape. A large rectangular piece of > simple or > > decorated fabric that is pinned at one shoulder > and > > then draped around as if it were a himation from > > ancient Greek period. The fortuneteller is > typically > > shown wearing a chemise and a skirt and this > drape. > > No real indication of a bodice. > > > > Can anyone give any more idea of the history of > this > > garment and if there are any other images from > period > > (probably just Renaissance) that would help me > > understand what is going on? > > > > THANK YOU!! > > > > S. Linehan/Ghislaine d'Auxerre > > ************************************** > > > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOnezoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&view > mode=1&item=60%2E30 > > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/valentin/fortunet.html > > > > > http://www.masterpiece-paintings-gallery.com/caravaggio-fortune-95.htm > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail > SpamGuard. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 20:29:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21TgNk009941 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB21SMJo001620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:28:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21SBra009244; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21S8jn009178 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m145.in-tch.com [216.166.191.145]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iB21Q5N28662 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:26:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41AE70C2.2090806@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:32:50 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis References: <000f01c4d7f5$40985160$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000f01c4d7f5$40985160$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh. My. GAWD! I have to have some, I just *do!* Man, I should know better than to tempt myself opening links from Bjarne.... --sue, in serious fabric-lust mode Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > got a newsletter from Hyena Fabrics, it is not because i want to make > any commercially things here, i just wanted to share with you. > It is gorgeous........... > > http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+whatsnew0304.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 20:36:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21afKc009983 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB21ZpJo002289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:35:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21ZaZ3014035; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21ZS1r013950 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:35:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m145.in-tch.com [216.166.191.145]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iB21XSN01611 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:33:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41AE727D.2080109@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:40:13 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis References: <120120042301.5155.41AE4D53000CC0E40000142322007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <120120042301.5155.41AE4D53000CC0E40000142322007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yup. Too late in my case. I just about shorted out my keyboard. --sue, who feels a serious temptation to stray from safe 14th century middle-class waters..... Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > *wipe**wipe*. Anyone who opens Bjarne's fabric link had better have a drool mop handy!!! > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >>Hi, >>got a newsletter from Hyena Fabrics, it is not because i want to make any >>commercially things here, i just wanted to share with you. >>It is gorgeous........... >> >>http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+whatsnew0304.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 1 21:23:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB22NsiT010216 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:23:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB21jhJo003127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:45:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21jcCE020578; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB21jPKM020373 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD19100AE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.37]) by filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01645-06-11 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-51-235-73.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.51.235.73]) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E07810070 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41AE73A1.5080802@telenet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:45:05 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woven into the Earth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is mine! It arrived, and is it pretty! So many nice, nice color pictures. Rowena, Aethelmearc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 00:06:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB256FXN011215 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:06:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB254ZJo016854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:04:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB254Ecv043965; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB254BDH043841 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1ed.300d876a (4402) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:03:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.300d876a.2edffc3f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:03:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A little while back I got some of the regular embroidered silk at a shop in Columbia, SC for $38 a yard ...if I bought what was left on the bolt...a little over 6 yards. That's enough to get an 1780s polonaise out of....if I do the petticoat in another silk...right? Right? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 03:30:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB28U1xd007380 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:30:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB28T9Jo027793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:29:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB28Sn9G062848; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB28SkXd062663 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:28:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CABBE9F6 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:28:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41AED22D.6000106@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:28:29 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis Polonaise References: <1ed.300d876a.2edffc3f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ed.300d876a.2edffc3f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wel.. I am trying to make a polonaise out of 7 meters of fabric (1 yard = 90 cm) with maching petticoat but probably without maching decoration. I made the bodice pattern from Janet Arnold p39. I found a little mistake in the pattern. The side seem from the front pattern is one inch to short. The pattern was just a little to big for me. Unfortionally it isn't out of that yummie fabricks. It is out of some blue brokade with lightblue with gold leaves. Looks nice but not really authentic. But it is for a normal kristmas party :-) . It has to be finisched by the end of this week so I'll post pictures then. Greetings, Deredere AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >A little while back I got some of the regular embroidered silk at a shop in >Columbia, SC for $38 a yard ...if I bought what was left on the bolt...a little >over 6 yards. That's enough to get an 1780s polonaise out of....if I do the >petticoat in another silk...right? Right? >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 05:02:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2A27t0030885 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2A0sJo001947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2A0ebt013620; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2A0cnb013481 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:59:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979258D@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical Thread-Index: AcTX2NwfZ0nKb35zSvKBTXv7XBz9PAAe8c4A content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I hardly post, as my costuming is few and far between. > However, recently, I find that I am in need of the > list's expertise in trying to figure out a question. > > It has been an issue for me to research the dress of > "fortune tellers" and diviners pre 1650 a.d. I have > located three very good paintings that show these wise > women/con artists from period and was struck by an article of > clothing that most, if not all, seem to wear. > > It is a drape. A large rectangular piece of simple or > decorated fabric that is pinned at one shoulder and then > draped around as if it were a himation from ancient Greek > period. The fortuneteller is typically shown wearing a > chemise and a skirt and this drape. > No real indication of a bodice. I don't knwo about the historyu of it but it's possible it was one of those icongraphical things that painters used as shorthand - " A drape of this sort = Fortune teller" (in the same way as "Sideless surcote = Woman of Royal Blood") No proof, just a thought As far as the three images you have so far are concerned.... > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOnezoom.asp?dep=11&z > oomFlag=0&viewmode=1&item=60%2E30 There's a whole dress under this drape. > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/valentin/fortunet.html At the shoulder, there's a dark piece between the drape and her smock neckline that *might* be the shoulder-strap of a bodice (the other shoulder is too deeply shadowed to tell if there's annother strap there) so it's possible this one is over a kirtle without sleeves > http://www.masterpiece-paintings-gallery.com/caravaggio-fortune-95.htm THis is the only one that can definately be said to have no bodice beneath it... nor visible skirt for that matter. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 10:17:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2FHNOa008838 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:17:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2FGFJo002347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:16:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2FFpY0007901; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2FFmGl007732 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fbc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.188]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 04DDA5EE070 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:15:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c4d881$c77682b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1ed.300d876a.2edffc3f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:15:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. This was what i thoaght about when i looked at these embroidered fabrics. They would be lovely for a polonaise. Surely i would make one if i were you with a solid coloured underskirt. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis >A little while back I got some of the regular embroidered silk at a shop in > Columbia, SC for $38 a yard ...if I bought what was left on the bolt...a > little > over 6 yards. That's enough to get an 1780s polonaise out of....if I do > the > petticoat in another silk...right? Right? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 10:53:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Fr25q009201 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:53:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2Fq2Jo009759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2FpccV035568; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2FpXEs035476 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.162] (p02.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.162]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB2Fo7r24311 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:50:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979258D@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979258D@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:56:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You might try joining the Middle Eastern dance email list. I bet there are list members there that have more information about this type of historical costuming. Especially Morocco who has Rom or Roma heritage. Email me if you want info on the list. Sylrog On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:59 AM, Teddy wrote: > >> I hardly post, as my costuming is few and far between. >> However, recently, I find that I am in need of the >> list's expertise in trying to figure out a question. >> >> It has been an issue for me to research the dress of >> "fortune tellers" and diviners pre 1650 a.d. I have >> located three very good paintings that show these wise >> women/con artists from period and was struck by an article of >> clothing that most, if not all, seem to wear. >> >> It is a drape. A large rectangular piece of simple or >> decorated fabric that is pinned at one shoulder and then >> draped around as if it were a himation from ancient Greek >> period. The fortuneteller is typically shown wearing a >> chemise and a skirt and this drape. >> No real indication of a bodice. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 11:13:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2GDX0e009426 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2GCIJo012671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2GCCXd055247; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop2b.ripco.com (root@pop2b.ripco.com [209.100.227.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2GC2WY055123 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zski@ripco.com) Received: from ripco.com (tcr43.dynip.ripco.net [209.100.226.43]) by pop2b.ripco.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2GBq86023039 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:11:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <41AF3EAD.30208@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:11:25 -0600 From: zski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200412011902.iB1J1OHD072824@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200412011902.iB1J1OHD072824@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] gone for a bit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I"m going to be off-group for a while. I have a new job that requires LOTS of travel, and need to trim the traffic to the In-box for a bit, so that it won't 'splode while I'm gone. Have fun, and see you again soon. Wendy Z for the moment in Chicago, IL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 11:46:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2GkonJ009825 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:46:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2GixJo016632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:45:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Gihk5084857; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2GiXmX084707 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so46025rne for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:44:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=As5m4dk3pbcmHcbhqWxyPA2oY3OMiC8k9NpADsNKUAek0I8saO3gBu30jfJ+YK5eJScXY5oKwL5ALboIEVi/FvnxKVP4SoPygFWkdb4QVc661ZLNJXdP/c9FUpcmIE4nLtRR/Yzua9guXyrRcaEZ83A12luzae+/zRu2tvE8Uzg= Received: by 10.38.71.8 with SMTP id t8mr696155rna; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.67.79 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:44:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:44:32 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fortune Teller Garb - Historical In-Reply-To: <20041201164416.94716.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792571@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <20041201164416.94716.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > It has been an issue for me to research the dress of > "fortune tellers" and diviners pre 1650 a.d. I have > located three very good paintings that show these wise > women/con artists from period and was struck by an > article of clothing that most, if not all, seem to > wear. > > It is a drape. A large rectangular piece of simple or > decorated fabric that is pinned at one shoulder and > then draped around as if it were a himation from > ancient Greek period. The fortuneteller is typically > shown wearing a chemise and a skirt and this drape. > No real indication of a bodice. I have a half gypsy personna and researched it. I'm also on the Lacho Drom list. There is also a mundane Rom list . Look at http://www.abcgallery.com/T/titian/titian4.html for the Gypsy Madonna c. 1512. http://www.eagner.com/edipage/areaserv/ca,demtprgu[suc;ass.htm for an article including pictures and dress pattern. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/cgi-bin/gallery/highlight.cgi?=html/g/giorgion/temptest/tempest.html&find for Tempest by Giorgoione c. 1505 http://gallery.euroweb.hu/cgi-bin/gallery/highlight.cgi?file=html/h/hals/frans/03-1630/nogypsy.html&fi for Gypsy Girls by Frans Hals c.1629. > Can anyone give any more idea of the history of this > garment and if there are any other images from period > (probably just Renaissance) that would help me > understand what is going on? I have read 2 versions of where the drape came from. One said it is descended from the Greek. Another said it was a blanket that could be layed on the grownd for sleeping. Although there were Rom in the Mideast, they were also in Europe in the 15th c. The most common form of fortune telling was palmestry. The cards they used were often close to the playing cards of the period. You have to remember cards were usually hand painted during that time and very expensive. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 13:05:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2I5XEv010583 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:05:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2I4UJo026242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:04:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2I4MjS059193; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from gloworm.concentric.com (gloworm.concentric.com [207.155.248.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2I4JHs059143 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (root@localhost) by gloworm.concentric.com id NAA12744; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200412021804.NAA12744@gloworm.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200412021649.iB2GloRO087688@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iB2I4JHs059143 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OMIGOSH! I've never seen such beautiful fabric. If only I could sew well enough to warrant this kind of expense... Thanks for posting (but now I have to clean my keyboard from all the drool ) Julie > got a newsletter from Hyena Fabrics, it is not because i want to make any > commercially things here, i just wanted to share with you. > It is gorgeous........... > > http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+whatsnew0304.htm > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 13:23:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2INiQP010716 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:23:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2IMnJo028227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IMc7W075343; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IMMsp075050 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2052012 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:22:14 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:22:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200412021804.NAA12744@gloworm.concentric.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This fabric is truly beautiful. I'd love some, even if I don't know what I'd do with it. I think I'd throw the whole bolt onto my bed and roll naked on it, especially the rust colored ones. I purchased something like it three or four years ago in one of the very high end fabric stores in Los Angeles. It is a celery colored dupioni background with embroidery all over it - flowers on tendrils that looks more Elizabethan than Jacobian. Where "Bjarne's" silks look 17-18 Century, this definitely looks 16th Century. The fabric was $90/yard. I bought one yard, just enough for some two-part, slightly puffy, Elizabethan sleeves. I bought wool in the cornflower blue color of many of the flowers to go with it. The sleeves have been spangeled with gold tiny,tiny spangles in a random pattern and are ready to cut into sleeves. Ever since I bought the one yard, I've kicked myself because I didn't buy enough to make a forepart too. Last year I was able to match the celery color perfectly in a plain dupioni for bias strips. Wishing I could turn the clock back.... LynnD > From: Julie > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:17 -0800 (PST) > To: > Subject: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis > > OMIGOSH! I've never seen such beautiful fabric. If only I could sew well > enough to warrant this kind of expense... > Thanks for posting (but now I have to clean my keyboard from all the drool > ) > > Julie > >> got a newsletter from Hyena Fabrics, it is not because i want to make any >> commercially things here, i just wanted to share with you. >> It is gorgeous........... >> >> http://www.hyenaproductions.com/store+whatsnew0304.htm > >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 13:35:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IZPRm010789 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2IYXJo029542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IYMQo086259; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IYIMf086103 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004120218341201100gv3l6e>; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:34:12 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c4d881$c77682b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? I notice that a lot of these dupionis are not really very heavily slubbed; but in SOME centuries there seems to be a real animus against any slub in silks at all. Then I squint at the available artifacts, and they seem to be slightly slubbed sometimes to ME, and I wonder what it is I'm not understanding... Can anyone enlighten me? Or is it just the usual issue of it being easier to make compromises for something beautiful? ;-) Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 13:49:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Imx9s010917 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:49:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2Im7Jo001212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Im3rh098387; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IlJn8097708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-27.sonic.net [209.148.114.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB2Il550023680 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:47:11 -0800 Message-ID: <41AF632D.7000308@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:47:09 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: >This fabric is truly beautiful. I'd love some, even if I don't know what I'd >do with it. I think I'd throw the whole bolt onto my bed and roll naked on >it, especially the rust colored ones. > > > Designer Fabrics: http://www.designerfabrics.ca has some very nice embroidered silks in their "Damask and Embroidered Silks" section. Of course, I'm not claiming any of them are perfect for any individual's era or project. But I've been happy with the ones I've bought there. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 13:52:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Iq5RU010950 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2IomJo001496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IoiGM000911; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:50:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Io7Vk000363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-27.sonic.net [209.148.114.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB2Inr5r025141 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: <41AF63D4.9090202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:49:56 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where are you seeing many historic-looking embroidered silks that are not dupioni? I've bought a few embroidered taffetas, but dupioni seems to be currently popular in the maintream market. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lauren Walker wrote: >Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are >delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:01:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2J1DAY011030 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:01:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2IxuJo002525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:59:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Ixq6O009855; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IxjKq009688 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004120218594201100gm3p8e>; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:59:42 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:59:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41AF63D4.9090202@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, I'm NOT seeing very many -- hyena has a few embroidered taffetas sometimes, but everything else does seem to be dupioni. So I've just been sighing and letting them go by. A little social permission to go for them anyway, even though dupion, would be nice! Lauren > From: Lavolta Press > Where are you seeing many historic-looking embroidered silks that are > not dupioni? I've bought a few embroidered taffetas, but dupioni seems > to be currently popular in the maintream market. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are >> delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:05:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2J5MZ7011054 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:05:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2J4MJo003247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2J4K81014239; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:eJ872boUXAQqljt8RH78euii5zXC0bmH@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2J245N011999 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id iB2J243o000598 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:02:04 -0500 Received: from dci012034012213.discovery.com ([12.34.12.213]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:02:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59130.12.34.12.213.1102014124.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <003201c4d881$c77682b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:02:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Regarding slubs - some listmembers have posted info about the use of raw or waste silk, but I don't know if there are any extant artifacts to show what it was exactly. I've looked at 18thC garments, and there are sometimes inconsistencies, but not huge slubs. So a dupioni with a few double-thick yarns is feasable. Lots of dupioni today is made with delberately thick slubs, though, which I have not seen in extant garments. I can see the slubs in some of the samples, and I wonder if they're all like tht or show up more with the color or lighting. I would definitely want to see a sample before spending that much for yardage for a gown. Also I would check the embroidery patterns (size, density & distribution of motifs) against what was period. Wouldn't it be nice if the fabric designers thought of us first & made them on smooth fabric, wth all the right patterns & colors? :-) For historic-inspired garments, h-i home decor, etc, they're great. Depends on the intended use of the item. Everyone makes compromises, and I think the more info people have (and the more they realize what they're doing) the better. Ultimately you'll decide what's period-correct or authentic enough for you. By the way, I really like how they show the fabric both flat and scrunched up. It gives better detail of the fabric! -Carol > Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are > delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? I > notice that a lot of these dupionis are not really very heavily slubbed; > but in SOME centuries there seems to be a real animus against any slub > in silks at all. Then I squint at the available artifacts, and they seem to > be slightly slubbed sometimes to ME, and I wonder what it is I'm not > understanding... Can anyone enlighten me? Or is it just the usual issue > of it being easier to make compromises for something beautiful? ;-) > Lauren > -- > Lauren M. Walker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:17:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JHrwb011140 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:17:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2JGxJo004609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JGkVn025412; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:uHg+rJGnHIBEGLmuA8Dp8T+N+/D9ROMr@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JGhUn025360 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id iB2JGg3o014629 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:16:42 -0500 Received: from dci012034012213.discovery.com ([12.34.12.213]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59253.12.34.12.213.1102015001.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <41AF63D4.9090202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:16:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lauren, For social permission, who is your society? Is there a set of standards or a quatermistress who needs to approve your clothes in order to participate in an event? There's a big range between interpreting a person at a historic site vs. a 21stC masquerade or wearing something beautiful at a costume con. -Carol > Oh, I'm NOT seeing very many -- hyena has a few embroidered taffetas > sometimes, but everything else does seem to be dupioni. So I've just been > sighing and letting them go by. A little social permission to go for them > anyway, even though dupion, would be nice! > Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:34:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JY9vW011290 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:34:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2JXBJo006122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JWMgX038886; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JWKkT038860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-89.sonic.net [209.148.114.89]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB2JWIS5007422 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: <41AF6DC0.2070607@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:32:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it helps to separate research from costuming. What you (and other people) know is almost never identical to what you (or they) wear. So if you see a gorgeous silk dupioni embroidered in a pattern and colors appropriate for a given period, and there is no perfectly smooth embroidered silk available (or what else is available is unaffordable)--well, why not use it? You might wait around forever for the "perfect" fabric to show up. Meanwhile it's realistic to accept any limitations and get on with making the outfit. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Lauren Walker wrote: >Oh, I'm NOT seeing very many -- hyena has a few embroidered taffetas >sometimes, but everything else does seem to be dupioni. So I've just been >sighing and letting them go by. A little social permission to go for them >anyway, even though dupion, would be nice! >Lauren > > > >>From: Lavolta Press >> >> > > > >>Where are you seeing many historic-looking embroidered silks that are >>not dupioni? I've bought a few embroidered taffetas, but dupioni seems >>to be currently popular in the maintream market. >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> >>Lauren Walker wrote: >> >> >> >>>Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are >>>delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:40:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JeeRK011333 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2JdkJo007024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:39:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Jde46045482; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB2Jdb60045360 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.134.13 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 19:39:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:39:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28160&item=81 51378150&rd=1 is rather cheaper than the Hyena silk, and the ones which I won from this seller are really quite nice... Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:42:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Jgt6Q011349 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:42:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2IigJo000847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IiZS7095325; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2IiXdY095222 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2052263 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:44:28 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:44:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, kinda. For me and the piece I bought, the background fabric WAS slubby, not as much as some dupioni but slubby nonetheless. My rationale for buying it anyway was that there wasn't much background showing - much less than the hyena silks - and that the embroidery and the colors used were absolutely Elizabethan. I covered some of the worst slubs with the tiny spangles. I had to decide: Will it kill me to have this bit of slubby showing more than knowing I had it in my hand and let it go? And if I buy the right background silk, will I take the time to embroider it? I had to answer NO to both questions. LynnD > From: Lauren Walker > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:16 -0500 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis > > Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are > delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? I notice > that a lot of these dupionis are not really very heavily slubbed; but in > SOME centuries there seems to be a real animus against any slub in silks at > all. Then I squint at the available artifacts, and they seem to be slightly > slubbed sometimes to ME, and I wonder what it is I'm not understanding... > Can anyone enlighten me? Or is it just the usual issue of it being easier to > make compromises for something beautiful? ;-) > Lauren > -- > Lauren M. Walker > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:43:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Jh7uS011354 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:43:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2JgIJo007248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JgGpt047635; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JdmId045562 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fbc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.188]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 76B6A5EE03B for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:39:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002b01c4d8a6$af4fa660$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:39:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have noticed that you get fine dupionis and lesser fine ones. The fine ones wich also are more expensive, have very little slubs in them, and vise versa. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis > Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are > delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? I > notice > that a lot of these dupionis are not really very heavily slubbed; but in > SOME centuries there seems to be a real animus against any slub in silks > at > all. Then I squint at the available artifacts, and they seem to be > slightly > slubbed sometimes to ME, and I wonder what it is I'm not understanding... > Can anyone enlighten me? Or is it just the usual issue of it being easier > to > make compromises for something beautiful? ;-) > Lauren > -- > Lauren M. Walker > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 14:49:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JnGIZ011405 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:49:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2JmF2L000862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:48:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JmB5c052725; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JjpDv050638 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fbc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.188]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4177547FECA for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:45:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004001c4d8a7$8b4eecc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41AF6DC0.2070607@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I totally agree with you, and it is such a shame that some people hessitate to use a fabric wich is not totally period. So much creativity is spoiled this way......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis >I think it helps to separate research from costuming. What you (and other >people) know is almost never identical to what you (or they) wear. So if >you see a gorgeous silk dupioni embroidered in a pattern and colors >appropriate for a given period, and there is no perfectly smooth >embroidered silk available (or what else is available is >unaffordable)--well, why not use it? You might wait around forever for >the "perfect" fabric to show up. Meanwhile it's realistic to accept any >limitations and get on with making the outfit. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Lauren Walker wrote: > >>Oh, I'm NOT seeing very many -- hyena has a few embroidered taffetas >>sometimes, but everything else does seem to be dupioni. So I've just been >>sighing and letting them go by. A little social permission to go for them >>anyway, even though dupion, would be nice! >>Lauren >> >> >>>From: Lavolta Press >>> >> >> >>>Where are you seeing many historic-looking embroidered silks that are >>>not dupioni? I've bought a few embroidered taffetas, but dupioni seems >>>to be currently popular in the maintream market. >>> >>>Fran >>>Lavolta Press >>>http://www.lavoltapress.com >>> >>> >>>Lauren Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Oh, yes, what everybody else said: the hyena embroidered dupionis are >>>>delicious. Is anybody worried that dupioni isn't authentic enough? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 15:00:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2K0SpU011512 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:00:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2Jxb2L002308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:59:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JxTvH062979; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:59:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JxNe0062866 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fbc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.188]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 79C8E2628A3 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:59:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c4d8a9$6f478fd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:59:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Stevie, Thanks for the link. I also found a wonderfull Toille de Jouy printed in 5 different colours. Would that not be lovely for an Anglaise dress? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28156&item=8151500061&rd=1 Next time i am making something, i think i want to try ebay when i look for fabrics. I never tryed that. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon > Hi all, > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28160&item=81 > 51378150&rd=1 > > is rather cheaper than the Hyena silk, and the ones which I won from > this seller are really quite nice... > > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 15:07:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2K7ZQI011581 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:07:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2K1B4N002498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2JiLHe049348; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB2JhluD048849 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 19:43:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041202193822.014952c8@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:43:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis In-Reply-To: <41AF6DC0.2070607@lavoltapress.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:32 02/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >I think it helps to separate research from costuming. What you (and other >people) know is almost never identical to what you (or they) wear. So if >you see a gorgeous silk dupioni embroidered in a pattern and colors >appropriate for a given period, and there is no perfectly smooth >embroidered silk available (or what else is available is >unaffordable)--well, why not use it? You might wait around forever for >the "perfect" fabric to show up. Meanwhile it's realistic to accept any >limitations and get on with making the outfit. > >Fran >Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >http://www.lavoltapress.com I have always found that if I use fabric which is not period correct, and let's face it, nothing we can buy today is exactly the same as even 50 years ago, I explain the history of the correct fabric to the customer. In other words, explain what he or she *would* have been wearing at the time. I ask them to pass on the fact that they *know* the fabric is not correct to any of the authenti-police who ask. It works for me (and I have a dupion Regency gown in silver grey Dupion, but hey, it was cabbage and I was not going to waste my money buying something else!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 15:22:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2KMUaH011741 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:22:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2KLa2L004992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:21:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2KLSDl082956; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2KHkHo079692 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:17:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d2.1d3f5cfd (3996) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:17:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:17:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2004 2:01:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, lauren.walker@comcast.net writes: > A little social permission to go for them > anyway, even though dupion, would be nice! > Lauren > Are you reproducing a gown for a museum? No? Then GO FOR IT fer Chist sake! I might steer clear of really slubby Dup. But some are more Shantung than Dup. Of course I'm only worried how it will look on screen or stage. I'm just trained that way. To paraphrase Duke Ellington: If it looks good, it is good. Or you can wait the rest of your life until the perfect reproduction comes along....that has zero slubbs and is hand embroidered. I mean if it's machine embroidered who the hell cares about a slub or two? For my Polonaise I thought about a quilted petticoat. Why would I HAND quilt a petticoat for a dress made of 6 yards of MACHINE embroidery? I might machine quilt a petticoat. Don't tell me the ensemble won't be worth drooling over still. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 15:54:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2KsHCk012076 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2KrC2L009453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2Kr4K2011590; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB2KqfGh011182 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.134.13 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 20:52:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c4d8b0$e236c360$0d862cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> <000501c4d8a9$6f478fd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:52:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > Hi Stevie, > Thanks for the link. I also found a wonderfull Toille de Jouy printed in 5 > different colours. > Would that not be lovely for an Anglaise dress? > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28156&item=81 51500061&rd=1 > Next time i am making something, i think i want to try ebay when i look for > fabrics. I never tryed that. That is very pretty; I am tempted but I must not succumb! I've bought rather a lot of his fabrics already, and there comes a point when the bank manager doesn't understand the notion of a bargain... Ebay seems to have some very good fabrics and some very bad fabrics; the tricky bit is telling the difference. But so many historic costumes need a great deal of fabric that the larger furnishing lots can be very useful. And then it gets sidetracked; my daughter's room at Medical school is so depressing that large amounts of my fabrics are now drapes, throws, wall hangings and other assorted means of turning what looks like a prison cell into something a bit more inviting. As excuses for stashes go, the 'instant decorating with fabric' is very useful, until you have to actually use it! best wishes Stevie > ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi all, > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28160&item=81 > > 51378150&rd=1 > > > > is rather cheaper than the Hyena silk, and the ones which I won from > > this seller are really quite nice... > > > > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 16:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2L5WnZ012167 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:05:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2L4Y2L012032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2L4Tkj021979; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2L4ReB021937 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fbc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.188]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B95E026280B for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:04:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c4d8b2$838d9990$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:04:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or you can wait the rest of your life until the perfect reproduction comes along....that has zero slubbs and is hand embroidered. I mean if it's machine embroidered who the hell cares about a slub or two? For my Polonaise I thought about a quilted petticoat. Why would I HAND quilt a petticoat for a dress made of 6 yards of MACHINE embroidery? I might machine quilt a petticoat. Don't tell me the ensemble won't be worth drooling over still. Oh lovely, and you really have to get close to see if it is machine quilted. Are you planning to make a patterned quilting with motifs or just waffle quilting it? With those embroidered flowers, it would look fab with waffle quilting Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 17:07:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2M7Qcr012741 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2M572L018194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2M4qrC076152; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:04:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB2M4ms8076001 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2004120217044021680 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:04:40 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id iB2M4exV027436 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:04:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90A90C85@mcmail01.WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F9001D2A7B3@mcmail01.WWC.MCCC.Com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1845-1877 photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In case anyone is interested, I've put up on eBay a catalog of a photo exhibit that has some early photos. R.O. Dougan Collection of Historical Photographs http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4508151870&ssPag eName=STRK:MESE:IT Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 18:15:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2NFpmA014228 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2NEk2L001754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2NEZnl044770; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB2NERwx044586 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 23:14:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041202231239.01495280@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:14:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90A90C85@mcmail01.WWC.MCCC.C om> References: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F9001D2A7B3@mcmail01.WWC.MCCC.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pinking tools X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am sure that i have seen a site which sells modern versions of 18th and 19th century pinking tools. I have some, but wanted different shapes and sizes. Does anyone know of such a site? Thanks Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 20:33:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB31XrxS016127 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB31Ws2L016743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:32:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB31WeV4052110; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from boston.dnsrouter.com (boston.dnsrouter.com [69.50.214.111]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB31WX21051938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from info@roguestailor.com) Received: from pool-151-204-217-92.pskn.east.verizon.net ([151.204.217.92] helo=preferre406gqb) by boston.dnsrouter.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Ca2JX-0007Zb-7n for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:32:51 -0700 From: "Marian Brock- Andersen" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041202231239.01495280@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.dnsrouter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roguestailor.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For sale list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone have the link to the for sale list for the Hcost list? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 21:39:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB32dKMa016510 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:39:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB32bx2L021200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB32bpMN095233; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB32bjDe095115 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05550 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:49:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:49:05 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For sale list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Marian Brock- Andersen wrote: > Does anyone have the link to the for sale list for the Hcost list? There are two: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ 39 members. Dawn is the listowner. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ 43 members. Danielle is the listowner. Not much activity on either, but then, as long as people are signed up, they'll see the messages when someone does post. (Hmm, I'm due for some stash clearing soon.) There's certainly some overlap in the groups (I'm on both) and perhaps we should just combine them under one name, but that's up to the listowners. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 22:06:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB336LgQ016665 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:06:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB335Y2L023019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:05:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB335T3h013037; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB335Qqh012960 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.116 ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004120303052001500nc8uge>; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:05:20 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.116; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:05:19 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For sale list Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:05:19 +0000 Message-Id: <120320040305.8301.41AFD7EF0003565B0000206D22007348300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, I should be doing some stash clearing too. *nods to self*..Ok, I guess I'll be getting out my little camera and shooting way this weekend. Gotta finish up getting the patterns sorted too. Good thing I've got my christmas shhopping all done! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Marian Brock- Andersen wrote: > > > Does anyone have the link to the for sale list for the Hcost list? > > There are two: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ > 39 members. Dawn is the listowner. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ > 43 members. Danielle is the listowner. > > Not much activity on either, but then, as long as people are signed up, > they'll see the messages when someone does post. (Hmm, I'm due for some > stash clearing soon.) > > There's certainly some overlap in the groups (I'm on both) and perhaps we > should just combine them under one name, but that's up to the listowners. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 22:13:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB33DpxN016751 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB33D22L023621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB33Cw9S017761; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB33CuMT017724 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 1636 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2004 03:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 03:12:55 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:12:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1060.24.4.69.40.1102043575.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041202231239.01495280@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> References: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F9001D2A7B3@mcmail01.WWC.MCCC.Com> <5.1.0.14.2.20041202231239.01495280@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:12:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pinking tools From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > I am sure that i have seen a site which sells modern versions of 18th and > 19th century pinking tools. I have some, but wanted different shapes and > sizes. Does anyone know of such a site? > > Thanks > > Suzi Suzi, If someone e-mails you privately about this would you please forward it to the list? I would also like to know where to find pinking tools. In the mean time, I found a rotary cutter that is wavy and gives a close-to-period look for trim work. Now I just have to get off my butt and make my robe a'la anglaise! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 22:38:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB33cP35017055 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:38:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB33bO2L025245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:37:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB33bFav033399; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay24-dav11.bay24.hotmail.com [64.4.18.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB33bBLd033314 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:37:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.149.20.7 by BAY24-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:36:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.149.20.7] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "Kelly Dorman" To: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:35:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2004 03:37:05.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BEAF180:01C4D8E9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iB33cP35017055 Status: RO Fran wrote: "I think it helps to separate research from costuming. What you (and other people) know is almost never identical to what you (or they) wear. So if you see a gorgeous silk dupioni embroidered in a pattern and colors appropriate for a given period, and there is no perfectly smooth embroidered silk available (or what else is available is unaffordable)--well, why not use it? You might wait around forever for the "perfect" fabric to show up. Meanwhile it's realistic to accept any limitations and get on with making the outfit. Fran" As you have frequently pointed out in the past, it is up to the individual to make their own decisions regarding their costuming needs. If Lauren has decided this fabric doesn't meet her needs based on her criteria, why are you questioning this? Kelly www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 23:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB344FNT017222 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:04:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB343P2L026937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB343FjN049284; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB341kYv048359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-71.sonic.net [209.148.113.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB341iEq010746 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: <41AFE52D.7050802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:01:49 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet embroidered dupionis References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was responding to: A little social permission to go for them anyway, even though dupion, would be nice! Lauren Fran Kelly Dorman wrote: >Fran wrote: > >"I think it helps to separate research from costuming. What you (and >other people) know is almost never identical to what you (or they) >wear. So if you see a gorgeous silk dupioni embroidered in a pattern >and colors appropriate for a given period, and there is no perfectly >smooth embroidered silk available (or what else is available is >unaffordable)--well, why not use it? You might wait around forever for >the "perfect" fabric to show up. Meanwhile it's realistic to accept any >limitations and get on with making the outfit. > >Fran" > >As you have frequently pointed out in the past, it is up to the individual to make their own decisions regarding their costuming needs. If Lauren has decided this fabric doesn't meet her needs based on her criteria, why are you questioning this? > >Kelly >www.backwardglances.net > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 2 23:13:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB34DsIv017300 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB34DC2L027490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB34D6cS055472; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:13:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB34D3W8055443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:13:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-71.sonic.net [209.148.113.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB34D1OT013358 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: <41AFE7D2.5080404@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:13:06 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon References: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> In-Reply-To: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I couldn't get anywhere (useful) with the link, even when I pasted it into a word processor and went from there. Could I ask you to give me the user name of the eBay seller? I buy a lot of other things on eBay, including at times vintage lace, but have never bought modern yardage. So I don't know who the good sellers are. Do they tend to have reasonably long lengths? I would think some people would be setting up eBay stores to sell some of that incredible fabric that Chinese and Indian companies are selling wholesale-only on the web. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com STEPHANIE GAMBLE wrote: >Hi all, > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28160&item=81 >51378150&rd=1 > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 00:21:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35L08H018369 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:21:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB35KK2L002500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35K7ho098142; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail1.cwo.com [209.210.78.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35B9ZB092194 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roses@cwo.com) Received: from iw-cbkbutg5vgko (port-st298.cwo.com [64.57.108.68]) by mail.cwo.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35B4UT002400 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:11:05 -0800 From: roses@cwo.com To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:20:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pinking tools Message-ID: <41AF8714.29567.8FFA63@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1060.24.4.69.40.1102043575.squirrel@24.4.69.40> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041202231239.01495280@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Is this the site you were thinking of? http://www.greenmanforge.com/ Stephanie On 2 Dec 2004, at 19:12, Diana Habra wrote: > > > > > > > I am sure that i have seen a site which sells modern versions of > > 18th and 19th century pinking tools. I have some, but wanted > > different shapes and sizes. Does anyone know of such a site? > > > > Thanks > > > > Suzi > > Suzi, > > If someone e-mails you privately about this would you please forward > it to the list? I would also like to know where to find pinking > tools. > > In the mean time, I found a rotary cutter that is wavy and gives a > close-to-period look for trim work. Now I just have to get off my > butt and make my robe a'la anglaise! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 00:40:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35eieE018592 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:40:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB35dv2L003873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35dqmx010230; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB35dnsu010181 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.107] (p43.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.107]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB35cMr04513 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:38:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <1060.24.4.69.40.1102043575.squirrel@24.4.69.40> References: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F9001D2A7B3@mcmail01.WWC.MCCC.Com> <5.1.0.14.2.20041202231239.01495280@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> <1060.24.4.69.40.1102043575.squirrel@24.4.69.40> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <81364AB4-44EE-11D9-9EDC-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pinking tools Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:45:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if Mary Denise Smith is still on this list. I would think she would have responded if she were. Mary Denise, are you still here? If not, you may be able to find her at http://www.costumepress.com/ Her husband used to make these pinking tools. Sylrog On Dec 2, 2004, at 8:12 PM, Diana Habra wrote: > >> >> >> I am sure that i have seen a site which sells modern versions of 18th >> and >> 19th century pinking tools. I have some, but wanted different shapes >> and >> sizes. Does anyone know of such a site? >> >> Thanks >> >> Suzi > > Suzi, > > If someone e-mails you privately about this would you please forward > it to > the list? I would also like to know where to find pinking tools. > > In the mean time, I found a rotary cutter that is wavy and gives a > close-to-period look for trim work. Now I just have to get off my butt > and make my robe a'la anglaise! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 06:53:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3BrEBa002745 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:53:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3BqC2L004560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:52:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3BpxpU028576; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Bps0D028494 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be4a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.74]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DF9DD47FE93 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:51:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c4d92e$8b2bc100$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:52:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dupioni X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Apropos all the disgussions about using dupioni. I have finally found what i can use my shocking pink dupioni for. I will boil wash it and let it bleed to loose some of the colour. Then i can interline it with calico cotton to get the right support for it. I have found a danish dress i want to make. It is quite unique in the world, because it is actually a brunswick dress. In Denmark the Brunswick style jacket develloped and became an indoor dress. At Rosenborg they have a dress wich belonged to the queens midget, and this dress is a floor long indoor dress with a hood in the back. It is an overdress. The dress has a longsleaved "waistcoat" or whatever you would call it inside the hooded overdress, and a flounced skirt. The dress is made of pink and apple green taffeta. In the back it is pointed in the waist like an anglaise dress. I have books with pictures of this dress, but the pictures are only small. So i contakted the Rosenborg pallace and asked if i could buy photo copies of this, and i could. So i have ordered a front and back picture. This is going to be the next projekt after Alexias chenille stumpworked flowers dress. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 07:46:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3CkDsf014691 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3Cix2L007302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:45:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Cir9v057784; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:44:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB3CinqX057703 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.133.114 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 12:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c4d935$e7733e00$72852cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> <41AFE7D2.5080404@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:45:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran wrote: > I couldn't get anywhere (useful) with the link, even when I pasted it > into a word processor and went from there. Could I ask you to give me > the user name of the eBay seller? The seller is Saaltextiles, the name of the Ebay shop is Saal Fabrics They also have a pure embrodered silk which is much more expensive; try item number 8147534701for that. >I buy a lot of other things on eBay, > including at times vintage lace, but have never bought modern yardage. > So I don't know who the good sellers are. Do they tend to have > reasonably long lengths? It really all depends; we are in 'how big is a piece of string' territory, alas. The furnishing fabrics tend to come in long lengths, so I look for those. I'm in the UK, of course, and so the present dollar rate doesn't bother me, and shipping is not such a big problem. > I would think some people would be setting up eBay stores to sell some > of that incredible fabric that Chinese and Indian companies are selling > wholesale-only on the web. Please tell me more! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 08:06:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3D69dR014851 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:06:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3D5I2L008300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:05:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3D59gt070047; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3D52Ot069944 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be4a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.74]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 824A947FE11 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:04:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c4d938$c5067ff0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/613/Wed Dec 1 07:24:21 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidered silk/rayon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It really all depends; we are in 'how big is a piece of string' territory, alas. The furnishing fabrics tend to come in long lengths, so I look for those. I'm in the UK, of course, and so the present dollar rate doesn't bother me, and shipping is not such a big problem. Stevie. Hi Stevie, Dont you have to pay extra taxes or costums for import from America? I have to pay, i think 25 % in all imports from USA Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 10:39:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Fdcf1016616 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:39:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3Fbn2L018002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:37:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3FaxaF071160; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:37:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3FanPO071024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-196.sonic.net [209.148.114.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB3FalCx000926 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:36:48 -0800 Message-ID: <41B08813.6090308@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:36:51 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidered silk/rayon References: <001901c4d8a6$ae1b1e00$0d862cd9@dan> <41AFE7D2.5080404@lavoltapress.com> <001601c4d935$e7733e00$72852cd9@dan> In-Reply-To: <001601c4d935$e7733e00$72852cd9@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >They also have a pure embrodered silk which is much more expensive; >try item number 8147534701for that. > > It looks like good quality stuff. I would be glad to see more patterns and colors in pure silk. > > > > > >>I would think some people would be setting up eBay stores to sell >> >> >some > > >>of that incredible fabric that Chinese and Indian companies are >> >> >selling > > >>wholesale-only on the web. >> >> > >Please tell me more! > > OK, well--I keep a big resource list and spend (waste?) a lot of time looking around the web using keywords that happen to inspire me. Even when I'm not looking for something specific to buy. When I search a search engine using keywords like "embroidered silk fabric," "sillk brocade," "embroidered cottons," and so on, I'm always running into sites for manufacturers and wholesalers based in India, China, and other oriental countries. (I'm sure I'd find more such sites if I intentionally tried the keywords with "wholesaler" or "manufacturer.") Their sites are in English; not always the best English, but they're clearly aimed at an English-speaking market. Some sites have gorgeous fabrics, and I have not seen that exact fabric anywhere in a store. The hitch is they will only sell to retailers, not consumers. They tend not to give yardage requirements or prices (they ask you to contact them), though I have not dug as deeply as I might because they won't sell to me. I'm not in that business. On the other hand, their required orders may not be huge, and someone could set up a website and/or eBay store with the most historic merchandise they carry. This won't be me. But I think someone could do well with it. Fran Lavolta Press Bookson Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 13:31:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3IVBkA017687 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3IUR2L006921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3IUAqo029316; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3IU38Y029036 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 53E576E347 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:29:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002f01c4d966$c6d8e010$0200a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:34:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] period impressions 1770 polonaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I bought the Period Impressions 420 1770 Polonaise & Petticoat pattern years ago and when I got it out recently, as I was thinking of making it, it doesn't have any instructions. I don't know if I bought it that way or if I've lost them over the years. Does anyone have this pattern and can look at the instructions for me? And let me know if there is anything that as an experienced sewer I'm not going to be able to figure out on my own? Thanks Susan in Bellevue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 16:07:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3L7etZ018650 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:07:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3L6Y2L022170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3L696e069732; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:06:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51409.mail.yahoo.com (web51409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB3L67FJ069634 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72240 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2004 21:06:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hope that there truly are no dumb questions. On reading about pinks, how would you keep the fabric from fraying? Thank you, Angelique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 16:18:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3LIA4v018682 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:18:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3LGv2L023096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:16:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3LGqf1078806; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB3LGd1s078517 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 21:16:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:16:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? In-Reply-To: <20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:06 03/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >I hope that there truly are no dumb questions. On reading about pinks, how >would you keep the fabric from fraying? > > Thank you, Angelique You painted the back of the fabric with gum arabic. Nowadays you can use white glue, slightly diluted, gum arabic, fraycheck (English - don't know the American equivalent) or cheat, and use an iron-on backing like Vilene, or similar.. Oh, and if possible, cut on the diagonal or bias. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 17:48:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3MmpkB019541 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3Mls2L001067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:47:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Mlf4w062835; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Mlb0F062751 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE7A5FB30 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203144126.02b99f18@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:47:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> References: <20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> <200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:16 PM 12/3/2004 +0000, you wrote: >You painted the back of the fabric with gum arabic. > >Nowadays you can use white glue, slightly diluted, gum arabic, fraycheck >(English - don't know the American equivalent) or cheat, and use an >iron-on backing like Vilene, or similar.. > >Oh, and if possible, cut on the diagonal or bias. > >Suzi In America we also use Fraycheck, along with other brands that do similar things. Gum Arabic can usually be found in the art paint section of Michaels, and other art stores. Suzi, What is Vilene? That term is not familiar to me. Would that be similar to an iron on stabilizer often used for applique and embroidery, like Steam-A-Seam 2? Or is it a different type of iron on treatment? And usually for me, if it is pinked, it is automatically minimized on the fraying, although that does depend on the fabric weave. I tend to pink tightly woven materials (I don't have a serger, so I often pink my seam allowances), and even linen frays just a bit, but not past the pinked area. YMMV, so test any fabrics first. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 17:54:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3MseaW019571 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3Mrq2L001582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Mrowe067947; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB3MmSDU063406 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72802 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2004 22:48:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FsYUdIdRLPV1FqNFbzFzmy94JQkfI9KuoT8V5em82dw2b6v3kP34zOOB+u1KyiTYwyjsyd+f5xjdsZpmMcRVRHvLOEI47Xn3PUSwqoRtljSi7QaIBPQ8cexbjtMdSEAWhpVWljLvF9a2spd5HHAXYEalEfOgdFSGkZvreiWqEYQ= ; Message-ID: <20041203224823.72800.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.1] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:48:23 PST Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 13:06 03/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: > >I hope that there truly are no dumb questions. On > reading about pinks, how > >would you keep the fabric from fraying? > > > > Thank you, Angelique > > You painted the back of the fabric with gum arabic. > > Nowadays you can use white glue, slightly diluted, > gum arabic, fraycheck > (English - don't know the American equivalent) or > cheat, and use an iron-on > backing like Vilene, or similar.. > > Oh, and if possible, cut on the diagonal or bias. > > Suzi And sometimes, you let it fray, even if it was a very fraying fabric--one of the pieces in the earliest "Patterns of Fashion" book by J. Arnold, a cloak iirc, had been pinked after it was made & in some places, pinked right through the silk lining & then just left plain, even on the lining. It frayed, too. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 18:55:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Ntf4X019953 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:55:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB3Nsg2L008130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3NsWNZ017557; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB3NsEvA017259 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 23:54:09 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203234736.014959e0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:54:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203144126.02b99f18@64.87.54.245> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> <20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> <200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >>You painted the back of the fabric with gum arabic. >> >>Nowadays you can use white glue, slightly diluted, gum arabic, fraycheck >>(English - don't know the American equivalent) or cheat, and use an >>iron-on backing like Vilene, or similar.. >> >>Oh, and if possible, cut on the diagonal or bias. >In America we also use Fraycheck, along with other brands that do similar >things. Gum Arabic can usually be found in the art paint section of >Michaels, and other art stores. > >Suzi, What is Vilene? That term is not familiar to me. Would that be >similar to an iron on stabilizer often used for applique and embroidery, >like Steam-A-Seam 2? Or is it a different type of iron on treatment? I am sorry but I do not know that name either. Vilene is a trade name for an iron on stiffening/interlining. It comes in varying thicknesses and is sort of like paper. I use it for lining collars and cuffs, and if I have a very "soft" fabric, for giving body. There is a fabric, like a fine cotton, that also can be ironed on, but that name is somewhere in the ether - I can never remember, and just ask for "the stuff that isn't Vilene"!! >And usually for me, if it is pinked, it is automatically minimized on the >fraying, although that does depend on the fabric weave. I tend to pink >tightly woven materials (I don't have a serger, so I often pink my seam >allowances), and even linen frays just a bit, but not past the pinked >area. YMMV, so test any fabrics first. By the way, the kind of pinking I mean is not done with scissors or shears, but is decorative, as in Elizabethan clothes, and 18th and 19th century dress trimming. I have some of the tools of my own, but am looking for a different one. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 19:06:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB406vfZ020030 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:06:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB40622L009723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB405w5d026945; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4049xF025594 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766C1AFDC for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:04:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203155659.00b0cf88@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:03:27 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I am looking to expand my book collection (aren't we all?). However, I am specifically looking to find the best books on historical garments in the early to mid 1500s. My focus is on England, but as English fashions were influenced by German, French, Flemish, Spanish and Italian fashions, I don't mind stretching in those directions as well. For that time period, what books would any or all of you suggest? I may already have them, but I would rather openly ask anyway. And portrait only book suggestions are also welcome. Thanks for your suggestions. Kimiko Small Owner ~ DreamTime Studios http://www.dreamtime-studios.com Fresno, CA, USA "When there is fear, there is no creativity" ~ C. Lowell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 20:41:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB41fGRT020563 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB41eJ2L023085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB41e82v098474; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB41e3KD098395 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-47.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.47]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB41e7p9003051 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:40:07 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:39:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203155659.00b0cf88@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >specifically looking to find the best books on historical garments in the >early to mid 1500s. My focus is on England, but as English fashions were >influenced by German, French, Flemish, Spanish and Italian fashions, I >don't mind stretching in those directions as well. >And portrait only book suggestions are also welcome. The Book of Costume, by Millia Davenport. The pictures are black and white, with a couple of color plates stuck in there, but it has the greatest number of costume images per period of any book I've ever seen, with no re-drawings (perhaps 2200 images in all). There are even small articles on the life and times of several periods in certain countries, and of things like pocket watches. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 3 22:52:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB43qpxY021115 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:52:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB43q42L002087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB43piWJ078323; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB43pdIx078276 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 24534 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2004 03:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 03:51:34 -0000 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:51:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1067.24.4.69.40.1102132294.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203144126.02b99f18@64.87.54.245> References: <20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> <200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041203144126.02b99f18@64.87.54.245> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:51:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 09:16 PM 12/3/2004 +0000, you wrote: >>You painted the back of the fabric with gum arabic. >> >>Nowadays you can use white glue, slightly diluted, gum arabic, fraycheck >>(English - don't know the American equivalent) or cheat, and use an >>iron-on backing like Vilene, or similar.. >> >>Oh, and if possible, cut on the diagonal or bias. >> >>Suzi > > > In America we also use Fraycheck, along with other brands that do similar > things. Gum Arabic can usually be found in the art paint section of > Michaels, and other art stores. My favorite is FrayBlock. I saw a demo piece of fabric at a JoAnn's once and haven't gone back. What makes it different is that it is still flexible when dry and it is nearly undetectable! It is much better than Fraycheck. The only downside is that it is very liquidy and can drip on the floor or table if you aren't careful. But I highly recommend it! In reality, though, I don't think that you need to use any edge treatment when you pink your edges if the fabric. Remember that most of the pinked edges for 1700's are for decoration and won't be subject to alot of friction like an interior seam. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 04:09:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB499wQS025570 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 04:09:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB498x2L019383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 02:08:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB498bS2061572; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 02:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB498UeU061467 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 02:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 09:08:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204090203.01495b18@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 09:08:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? In-Reply-To: <1067.24.4.69.40.1102132294.squirrel@24.4.69.40> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203144126.02b99f18@64.87.54.245> <20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> <200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041203144126.02b99f18@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: s: net.indra.com 1108; bulk Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=many X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >My favorite is FrayBlock. I saw a demo piece of fabric at a JoAnn's once >and haven't gone back. What makes it different is that it is still >flexible when dry and it is nearly undetectable! It is much better than >Fraycheck. The only downside is that it is very liquidy and can drip on >the floor or table if you aren't careful. But I highly recommend it! > >In reality, though, I don't think that you need to use any edge treatment >when you pink your edges if the fabric. Remember that most of the pinked >edges for 1700's are for decoration and won't be subject to alot of >friction like an interior seam. It depends on the fabric. If you are using silk taffeta it is not too bad, but silk dupion is a minefield. I recently completed a copy of a dress worn by Mme. de Pompadour for a museum. They chose the fabric - dupion - and would not be told it was not period correct. I managed to get really closeup details, and the serpentine trimmings were all straight pinked. So out came the trusty pinking shears, and I pinked yards of fabric, gathered it, sewed it on, and watched it fray before my eyes. I tried Fraycheck, which left a very obvious line, and if course the museum people didn't like that!. So I did the frills on the arms with it, very lightly, but the rest had to be left to fray. The moral of this little story is, try not to be overruled by museum staff who know less than you. And, try cutting the ruffles on the bias next time!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 09:42:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4EgToI017746 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4EfV2L009904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4EfFq2048269; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4EfDsa048197 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from mxip10.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB4Ef7gm029427 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:41:07 -0500 Received: from cpe-24-151-128-33.ma.charter.com (HELO familyroom) (24.151.128.33) by mxip10.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2004 09:41:07 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.87,123,1099285200"; d="scan'208"; a="466641395:sNHT27196600" From: "The Foxes" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Books for 15th century. Evans, Joan; Medieval French Dress (based off of Quicherat so has some problems) Huston, Mary; Costume in Medieval France 14th and 15th Centuries (makes generalizations but ok) Scott, Margaret; A Visual History of Costume; The Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries (pretty good but hard to find) A book that is interesting.. not about costumes but culture The Lady in Medieval England(1000 - 1500) by Peter Coss (1998, Sutton Publishing) Good Luck Annette -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? >specifically looking to find the best books on historical garments in the >early to mid 1500s. My focus is on England, but as English fashions were >influenced by German, French, Flemish, Spanish and Italian fashions, I >don't mind stretching in those directions as well. >And portrait only book suggestions are also welcome. The Book of Costume, by Millia Davenport. The pictures are black and white, with a couple of color plates stuck in there, but it has the greatest number of costume images per period of any book I've ever seen, with no re-drawings (perhaps 2200 images in all). There are even small articles on the life and times of several periods in certain countries, and of things like pocket watches. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 10:14:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4FEqEv017932 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:14:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4FE62L012988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4FE2VN067271; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB4FDwpL067202 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:13:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5227 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2004 15:13:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=KEJz2x/uNmRibEDX6ot9INwU+Ph09kY6WJFbS4u8GmeAn9hA7axwz0PS97S+JeqtjW2qnsn4m6FPhtqTBIsn6r6oT4/138rKZTOSovtDr+qpJtyloaPLmZzHlALIFGWz3c1Vq6K4ufLjWdiKr66qc8GAanKdW4BBLl5hq6Mpb60= ; Message-ID: <20041204151352.5225.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.98] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:13:52 PST Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >early to mid 1500s. My focus is on England > The Book of Costume, by Millia Davenport. The > pictures are black and > white, with a couple of color plates stuck in there, > but it has the > greatest number of costume images per period of any > book I've ever seen, > with no re-drawings (perhaps 2200 images in all). > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com While that is largely the case, at least some drawings right around 1400 (early for the question at hand, but still) are from the nineteenth century. They are labelled, but not in Large Type. Can you tell my favorite period? Even with the proviso, I think Davenport has the most bang for the buck & enough information that you can try later to find a large copy of any picture you particularly liked. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 10:19:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4FJTlN017958 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4FIl2L014083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:18:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4FIkla070167; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB4FF5kE067865 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 15:14:59 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204150337.01495d70@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:15:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> References: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:41 04/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Books for 15th century. The Joan Evans book is called "Dress in Medieval France" and the copy I saw is very large and unwieldy! >Huston, Mary; Costume in Medieval France 14th and 15th Centuries (makes >generalizations but ok) That's M. G Houston "Medieval Costume in England and France" (recent reprint I think, by Dover?? >Scott, Margaret; A Visual History of Costume; The Fourteenth and >Fifteenth Centuries (pretty good but hard to find) This is Batsford's "The History of Dress" series - most of the pictures are small, and black and white. Some of the text is speculative, in my opinion, and it stops at 1500. C.W and P. Cunnington "Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century James Laver, "Early Tudor 1485- 1558" Lots of large black and white pictures. (Costume of th eWeatern World Series) G. Reynolds "Elizabethan and Jacobean 1558 -1625" same series as the Laver, and same style A. Blum "The Last Valois 1515-1590" same as above I also have a wonderful Czech book with pictures in close-up in colour, but I imagine that is difficult to find - thank you E.Bay!! I have a lot of general books with colour pictures (my costume library is very large) so if you have specific queries please ask me off list. Then there are the Elizabeth books "The Elizabethan Icon", Roy Strong "Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" Janet Arnold. I have all of the above books except the Joan Evans. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 10:55:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4FtBxI018116 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:55:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4FsL2L022111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4Fs9UV091103; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4Fs7dJ091012 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20644 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:05:31 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:05:30 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, The Foxes wrote: > Books for 15th century. Useful recommendations, but wasn't the original poster looking for the first half of the 16th century? On thinking about it, I realize that most of the 16th c. sources I've seen focus on late 16th c., so that's a good question. It's outside my specialty area, so I will be interested to see responses. Possibly some of Roy Strong's books would cover the portrait art of this era. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 14:42:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4JgD7J019689 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4JfK2L011237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:41:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4JfA9m040023; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4Jf8Mk039931 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from mxip05.cluster1.charter.net (mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.135]) by mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB4Jf2aq029409 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:41:02 -0500 Received: from cpe-24-151-128-33.ma.charter.com (HELO familyroom) (24.151.128.33) by mxip05.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2004 14:41:02 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.87,123,1099285200"; d="scan'208"; a="472304913:sNHT26762636" From: "The Foxes" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c4da39$31855830$0302a8c0@familyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why yes.. I brain sparked and thought 15th century.. oops. There are some English monumental brasses shown from the early 16th century in this book. Catalogue of Rubbings of Brasses and Incised Slabs by Muriel Clayton (1979 Victoria and Albert Museum) I also have a book in French that I bought at the Musee Cluny. I do not know if this book comes in an English format or not. It has many very nice images of early 16th century French dress in many tapestries. La tapisserie medievale au Musee de Cluny, by Fabienne Joubert. Now in the right century. Annette -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, The Foxes wrote: > Books for 15th century. Useful recommendations, but wasn't the original poster looking for the first half of the 16th century? On thinking about it, I realize that most of the 16th c. sources I've seen focus on late 16th c., so that's a good question. It's outside my specialty area, so I will be interested to see responses. Possibly some of Roy Strong's books would cover the portrait art of this era. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 14:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4JwYL3019972 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:58:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4Jvm2L012276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:57:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4JvhHB050472; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4JvesW050273 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be10.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.16]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 47D1B47FE01 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:57:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003f01c4da3b$7bf70b50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:57:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dream projekt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I think that all projekts i have done is a dream projekt. In order to make all your best efforts, you have to be in love with your work, and i think i am that, when i make new things. Off cause there are some hurddles, it often also gets boring when you have tryed the most in the projekt, and you have to kick yourself to finish it. My current projekt, the dress with stumpwork chenille roses is great fun right now, but i know already that it will be boring soon. Soon i have finished the stomacher, and i have to spend the rest of the work in doing tedious tedious rose and leave stumpwork leaves. I need to make 45 roses wich have 4 leaves each, together with 102 green leaves. And i cant give it up because it is a permission work. When i get pensioned in about 10 years, and hopefully are well yeat and still lives, i want to make big embroidered wall hangings in free form embroidery. I dream of making some of my own pictures inspired from the danish history............... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 15:35:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4KZmBc020600 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:35:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4KYu2L014522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4KYoWp073171; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB4KYf87073051 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 20:34:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204203138.01496110@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:34:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <005301c4da39$31855830$0302a8c0@familyroom> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:41 04/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Why yes.. I brain sparked and thought 15th century.. oops. > >There are some English monumental brasses shown from the early 16th >century in this book. > >Catalogue of Rubbings of Brasses and Incised Slabs by Muriel Clayton >(1979 Victoria and Albert Museum) > >I also have a book in French that I bought at the Musee Cluny. I do not >know if this book comes in an English format or not. It has many very >nice images of early 16th century French dress in many tapestries. > >La tapisserie medievale au Musee de Cluny, by Fabienne Joubert. It should be remembered that the Cluny Tapestries, which include the "Lady and The Unicorn", are in large part mythological, and the costumes, while related to the fashion of the day, are not necessarily "of" the period. The tapestries are quite stunning, and are almost life size, while the colours seem to have been well preserved, none of the "blueing" that happens to many French tapestries. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 16:21:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4LLSMS021197 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:21:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4LKW2L017202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:20:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4LKLBY002065; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4LKIiL001958 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AA09103200AE; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:20:09 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.108 ([209.131.81.108] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Dec 04 21:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c4da47$16d4e240$6c5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003f01c4da3b$7bf70b50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream projekt Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:20:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0449-1, 12/02/2004), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your 'dream projects' cause many of us to dream, too. Realizing that I do not have the time and perhaps the talent to chase the dream with my own fingers in the manner that you do, I have been inspired to study the pictures (particularly in Kyoto) and try using some of the extraordinary fiber trims now presently available here in the States to take a short cut toward recreating the originals, at least in spirit. Many of the fibers that copy chenille are readily found in yarn shops as well as JoAnns, Michael's and such. I am using time honored techniques, but within my purse allowances. Twenty years ago, I was doing a huge amount of embroidery, as was popular for the 70's. Then it was for modern projects. I have a wonderful vest and long skirt of crimson cotton suede cloth which I ornamented with Jacobean motifs and form that I am still able to wear (with minor alterations.) Now I long for the time to rediscover this form in a more appropriate way. Sigh. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dream projekt > Hi, > I think that all projekts i have done is a dream projekt. > In order to make all your best efforts, you have to be in love with your > work, and i think i am that, when i make new things. > Off cause there are some hurddles, it often also gets boring when you have > tryed the most in the projekt, and you have to kick yourself to finish it. > My current projekt, the dress with stumpwork chenille roses is great fun > right now, but i know already that it will be boring soon. Soon i have > finished the stomacher, and i have to spend the rest of the work in doing > tedious tedious rose and leave stumpwork leaves. I need to make 45 roses > wich have 4 leaves each, together with 102 green leaves. > And i cant give it up because it is a permission work. > When i get pensioned in about 10 years, and hopefully are well yeat and > still lives, i want to make big embroidered wall hangings in free form > embroidery. I dream of making some of my own pictures inspired from the > danish history............... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 17:51:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4MpcpZ021793 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:51:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4Mom2L022722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4Moaqw059022; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4MoZH3058953 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:50:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip17.cluster1.charter.net (mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.147]) by mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB4MoP7n030672 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:50:25 -0500 Received: from fep04.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.84) by mxip17.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2004 17:50:26 -0500 Message-Id: <3k70j8$ij5ra0@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.87,123,1099285200"; d="scan'208"; a="624094528:sNHT12761860" X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:50:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] somewhat OT: help with china head doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My mother recently gave me a china head doll which she would like me to dress. Me, being the historic costumer that I am :-) feel the need to dress this doll properly! However, my period is Elizabethan, and I really don't know where to start to place this doll into her proper period. >From my attempted browsings on the web, I would call the hairstyle "low-brow". It is molded, *very* curly, and has a band or barrette across the back of the head. There is not an obvious part in the hair. I found one example of this online and they termed it a "Dolly Madison" style. The thing that really seems to stand out about this head is that she has wire earrings dangling from her ears. I have not seen anything like this in the pictures I was looking at online. Can anyone at least give me a decade to place this doll in, and then some ideas of proper clothing/fabric? I have a simple pattern that came with the replacement body, but if she should be in a lower-necked bodice, I'll need to do some alterning, etc. Thanks! Rebecca Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 18:36:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4Naaaj022030 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:36:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB4NZn2L025524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4NZhvB086853; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB4NZfKY086792 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.89.1b541043 (15900) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c41b249c237d; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:35:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:35:30 -0500 From: Morses3@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT: help with china head doll MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46E08B3B.5CDDB409.00190178@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.10.25.241 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Rebecca, I've collected china head dolls for years and have many reference books (and about 80 dolls), I'm guessing from your descriptions that the one you have is probably c.1870's (a china head with earrings that was earlier would likely have smooth center parted hair not curly), it's hard to tell without a photo though. If you want to send me one or post one somewhere I'll be glad to take a look........ Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 19:16:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB50Gxxr022159 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:16:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB50G82L028293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB50G0dB011724; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB50FxJF011681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB50FudD003943 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:15:56 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:30:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204203138.01496110@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm about to make a couple of generalized observations, and I'm afraid they may be considered insulting by some of the many fine posters to this and other costume related lists. I want to say at the start that this isn't aimed at anyone (least of all Suzi Clark!). They may be dismissed as the ramblings of a diseased brain (I am so sick of being sick at the moment!) I may be way off base and you are free to politely tell me that I'm wrong, wrong, wrong and why (grin). Over many years I have noticed the _tendency_ to consider pictorial, either painted or tapestry, depictions of various period costumes to be _The_ focus of costume knowledge and critique. The first places I looked for inspiration as a budding costumer (outside the R. Turner Wilcox "Mode in ..." books) were coffee table art books. Lots of color pictures of people in dated garb. If questioned about the periodicy of a sleeve or neckline you just pointed to the painting as _Documentation_ and everyone nodded sagely. The days of considering those paintings as gospel are over, and things have swung a bit the other direction. Now the tendency is to feel that if you can't find an item depicted by more than one artist of the period and area, it was probably "mythological" or "allegorical" (I am overstating a bit here). The example that comes to mind is Roger vander Weyden's use of "Fram Air Filter Hat". His Magdalen picture being the most famous. The problem I see with this is that there are literally thousands more paintings and tapestries around from pre-16th Century Europe that simply are not depicted in any printed format outside the little museum, church, castle, chateau, or town hall they reside in. This can make statements like "the Fram Air Filter hat is not seen outside the paintings of Roger vander Weyden" incorrect simply because most of us don't have access to a big enough sampling of paintings or tapestry done by other artists of period or area. They may very well exist, but are not well done enough, not done by a famous artist, or in an out of the way spot or private collection. They may exist in a sculptured form rather than in painting. An open mind needs to be kept. I noticed the enormous amount of unpublished artwork when I was traveling in Europe, both while living there in the 1970's and 80's, and on visits to Germany in the last two years. The art collection I saw in 1990 (the week after the Czech's opened the borders) at Hradcany Castle had over a dozen paintings either done by, or in the style of, Lucas Cranach. I've never seen any of them depicted anywhere. There was another picture in the 14th century wing with ladies in pointy hennins and sideless surcotes with angel sleeves mixed with ladies and gentlemen in houpelands (the guard wouldn't allow pictures). The same with the Stadt museum in Darmstadt (not where the Darmstadt Madonna is housed). Ditto the Chateau of Alzy le Rideau with it's wonderful life size portrait of Mary Queen of Scots that I haven't been able to find anywhere. Another resource that seems to be underutilized is sculpture, at least in the later periods. Perhaps because there isn't a lot of this available in decent pictures. This is the one time when it is occasionally possible to get the lady to "turn around" so you can see the back of her costume. There are a large number of 3/4 and full round depictions of people in existence, many of them in the churches and cathedrals. When you see similar dress styles in several churches in the area, you get the feeling that it may not all be dismissible as "allegorical", particularly when it's depicted on several of the figures. I'm not suggesting that costumes in art and sculpture are not sometimes mythological or allegorical! I'm just suggesting there is a lot of information out there that is not on the web, or in English language art books. Also, information that is not in a painted or woven form. Of course it's a bit difficult to cite sources that aren't published anywhere too. I know I have albums and shopping bags full of art from out of the way places, and I wonder how many others do to. Of course we are still stymied by copyright issues when it comes to putting them up on the Web, not to mention the number of pictures I have that I can't necessarily remember the origin of. Thanks for your attention, we now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion :-) Sorry for the rambling - Regina Romsey > > It should be remembered that the Cluny Tapestries, which include > the "Lady > and The Unicorn", are in large part mythological, and the costumes, while > related to the fashion of the day, are not necessarily "of" the > period. The > tapestries are quite stunning, and are almost life size, while > the colours > seem to have been well preserved, none of the "blueing" that happens to > many French tapestries. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 20:00:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5104th022318 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:00:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB50xK2L001926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:59:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB50xEbX044729; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:59:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB50wr12044504 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 00:58:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041205004145.01496228@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:58:56 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204203138.01496110@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:30 04/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: > I'm about to make a couple of generalized observations, and I'm > afraid they >may be considered insulting by some of the many fine posters to this and >other costume related lists. I want to say at the start that this isn't >aimed at anyone (least of all Suzi Clark!). They may be dismissed as the >ramblings of a diseased brain (I am so sick of being sick at the moment!) I >may be way off base and you are free to politely tell me that I'm wrong, >wrong, wrong and why (grin). > > An open mind needs to >be kept. Just a few comments. I still think pictorial evidence is valid if you have books from all over, and can compare. I have, so I do!! Living in England I have access to lots of European publications, many in English translation, and many of which are not on regular book lists. I think after more than 30 years, I know how to compare. (And I know you said your comments weren't aimed at me - no problem!) However, Kimiko did ask for visual sources, books in particular. My Czech book is in English, and so are two Russian books I have. French does not need translation for me, I also have German, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian, with English glossaries. It's when I come to America that I am stuck! > Another resource that seems to be underutilized is sculpture, at > least in >the later periods. Perhaps because there isn't a lot of this available in >decent pictures. This is the one time when it is occasionally possible to >get the lady to "turn around" so you can see the back of her costume. There >are a large number of 3/4 and full round depictions of people in existence, >many of them in the churches and cathedrals. When you see similar dress >styles in several churches in the area, you get the feeling that it may not >all be dismissible as "allegorical", particularly when it's depicted on >several of the figures. But could not this be one particular "school" of sculpting, which makes it no more valid than paintings. If you saw the same style all over the place, rather than in one area, then it may not be allegorical. Incidentally, weren't the Cluny tapestries meant to be "fantastical"/allegorical? Otherwise why introduce a Unicorn?? > I'm not suggesting that costumes in art and sculpture are not > sometimes >mythological or allegorical! I'm just suggesting there is a lot of >information out there that is not on the web, or in English language art >books. Also, information that is not in a painted or woven form. > > Of course it's a bit difficult to cite sources that aren't published >anywhere too. I know I have albums and shopping bags full of art from out >of the way places, and I wonder how many others do to. Of course we are >still stymied by copyright issues when it comes to putting them up on the >Web, not to mention the number of pictures I have that I can't necessarily >remember the origin of. Like you I have shelves full of illustrations, and hundreds of my own photos, including sculpture, all of which I use to reference costume, as do many other people on this list and others. For many of us it is our job, so we have to try and get it right. I just find visual evidence the safest, as descriptions, unless first hand, and often even then, are subjective. At least if I get it wrong using my own eyes, I have no-one else to blame! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 21:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB52NTJx022715 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:23:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB52MX2L007287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB52MOI3094553; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB52MLaX094481 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:22:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip16.cluster1.charter.net (mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.146]) by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB52MFGs018812 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:22:15 -0500 Received: from fep04.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.84) by mxip16.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2004 21:22:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3k70kp$jgdd84@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.87,123,1099285200"; d="scan'208"; a="654750980:sNHT12511804" X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT: help with china head doll Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 2:22:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately, I don't have a digital camera with which to take "instant" photos (it's on the Christmas list!!!). But giving me a rough guesstimate helps greatly. Now, I just need to see what 1870's dresses looked like! Thanks Rebecca Schmitt > > From: Morses3@aol.com > Date: 2004/12/04 Sat PM 11:35:30 GMT > To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) > Subject: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT: help with china head doll > > Hi Rebecca, > > I've collected china head dolls for years and have many reference books (and about 80 dolls), I'm guessing from your descriptions that the one you have is probably c.1870's (a china head with earrings that was earlier would likely have smooth center parted hair not curly), it's hard to tell without a photo though. If you want to send me one or post one somewhere I'll be glad to take a look........ > > Perry > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 4 23:50:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB54omnk023467 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:50:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB54bO2L015032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:37:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB54bC9c072109; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB54b9L1072083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:37:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB54b9dD019758 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:37:09 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:51:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204150337.01495d70@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Suzi Clark wrote: > I also have a wonderful Czech book with pictures in close-up in > colour, but > I imagine that is difficult to find - thank you E.Bay!! Title? E-Bay being an equal opportunity money taker! :-) Regina Romsey/Wanda Pease Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but giggle when you see one tumble down the stairs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 00:32:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB55W3ES023761 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB55Sh2L017867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB55RP88001374; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB55RO2R001362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB55RNdD009118 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:27:24 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:41:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20041205004145.01496228@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Just a few comments. I still think pictorial evidence is valid if > you have > books from all over, and can compare. I have, so I do!! Living in > England I > have access to lots of European publications, many in English > translation, > and many of which are not on regular book lists. I think after > more than 30 > years, I know how to compare. (And I know you said your comments weren't > aimed at me - no problem!) However, Kimiko did ask for visual sources, > books in particular. My Czech book is in English, and so are two Russian > books I have. French does not need translation for me, I also > have German, > Swedish, Danish and Norwegian, with English glossaries. It's when > I come to > America that I am stuck! Suzi, it's a good thing I keep a box of tissues next to the computer! This way I caught the drool as I read about your abilities and book collection! I should have completely started a new thread rather than tagging onto the thing that caught my wavering intellect. You and the others are correct that visual evidence is all we have. Written descriptions are very prone to misinterpretation as words change meaning or fall out of use all together. I was trying to suggest that there is more out there than two dimensional painting and tapestry. You are SO lucky to have books from all over and to be able to visit some period places within a days drive! I have found so many people here in the States that seem to think that what is published in book or internet form is all there is. They are astounded when I haul out those photo albums or bags of photos (not shopping bags of art as my post implied). They are also horrified that not everything is behind glass, in humidity controlled rooms, or grand museums. The idea that there are little old churches scattered everywhere with a wealth of pictorial or sculptural information causes glassy eyed astonishment. I understand that the Unicorn tapestries were supposed to be allegorical, but I've been surprised at the number of times I have found that, to me, silly looking hairdressing mode elsewhere. I'm just not convinced that the clothing depicted _has_ to be allegorical too. Stylized sculpture certainly exists (Strasbourg's bliauts for example). I was actually thinking of the sculptured scenes of life I saw in the cathedrals on the inner set of walls that separates the outside aisles from the central Nave (?). I remember that Chartres and Amiens particularly had wonderful scenes done in 3/4 round of people doing all kinds of things in all sorts of poses. The problem with both of those places was that they were really dark on the days that I was there and I didn't have 1600 speed film to take pictures then. Wish there were some way you and I and others on this list could share all our pictures. I'm trying to negotiate to buy the 4000+ slides that a friend spent two years and a lot of money taking in specifically out of the way spots in Germany and the Netherlands. Even if I get them I won't be able to share them with everyone the way I would like to see done. Sigh. Such are the constraints of copyrights. Although, if the photos are your own of pieces of art you don't own, but are OLD, are they ... NO DON'T GO THERE! Thanks for the background and gentle touch. Regina Romsey/Wanda Pease Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but giggle when you see one tumble down the stairs. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 00:53:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB55rvN1023816 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:53:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB55oP2L019035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB55n8hU013478; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav36.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB55n6I9013424 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:49:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV36.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 05:48:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:48:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:48:54 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2004 05:49:00.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E91A850:01C4DA8E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iB55rvN1023816 Status: RO I've been putting together a slide presentation on Uncommon Clothes for the SCA time period and just being attuned to looking for variations on the usual has lead to so many finds. I have tried to avoid things I think are allegorical or biblical, but I still have over 2 hours worth and I'm trying to move along fast and not show too many duplicates of the same thing. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 01:11:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB56Bi4N023867 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:11:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB568L2L019848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:08:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5678Be023371; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:07:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav6.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5676em023304 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:07:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 06:06:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20041204150337.01495d70@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:06:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:06:05 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2004 06:07:00.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[A23080D0:01C4DA90] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iB56Bi4N023867 Status: RO While I'm interested in the time period you requested, I don't have much interest in England. However, here are a few books: Anderson, Ruth, Hispanic Costume 1480-1530, Hispanic Society of America, 1979. This is a fantastic costume book, although there is not a great deal after 1500. It is currently in print, just hard to find. De Lasarte, Joan, Catalan Painting: From Gothic Splendor to the Baroque, Skira/Rizzoli, 1991. There isn't much in here for the years you are interested in, but there is a good reproduction of one of my favorite outfits from about the 1520's - a yellow dress covered with red ribbons and bag sleeves. Kybalova, L., Herbenova, O. & Lamarova, M., The Pictorial Encyclopedia of Fashion, Paul Hamlyn, 1968. This is similar to the Davenport book, with lots of B/W photos of art from all over Europe. Van Os, H., Kok, J., Luijten, G. & Scholten, F., Netherlandish Art in the Rijksmuseum 1400-1600, Waanders Publishers, 2000. This is actually currently in print. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 03:10:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB58AV4q024363 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 03:10:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB58A02L025249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB589qJO090172; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41827.mail.yahoo.com (web41827.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB589l68090091 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81997 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2004 08:09:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6E4uQM78lIGvkn3DCo5D87T4u56jK9TP1mROWP5oJs/OrpqxsvKKt2lFi0v60d3b9TmmZ4sJykZyxdESEZ5GRrHICJhOz5wj/55hKPmUH73ovao61Sb+IbzcWBeMMCulUGHbRKpu0HqXK9Cy9eBtZoFbOBtyJbASvDwY1+sYMSo= ; Message-ID: <20041205080941.81995.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.178.13] by web41827.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:09:41 PST Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT: help with china head doll To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3k70kp$jgdd84@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My Encyclopedia lists 1870's as the beginning of the Bustle era, with slim silhouettes ,diagonal lines to the skirts and large ,feathered hats. The bustles are not the over exaggerated "butts" but more of a pad at the back. You can head on over to the Truly Victorian web site and check on their patterns. --- lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have a digital camera with > which to take "instant" photos (it's on the > Christmas list!!!). But giving me a rough > guesstimate helps greatly. Now, I just need to see > what 1870's dresses looked like! Thanks > > Rebecca Schmitt > > > > > From: Morses3@aol.com > > Date: 2004/12/04 Sat PM 11:35:30 GMT > > To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT: help with china > head doll > > > > Hi Rebecca, > > > > I've collected china head dolls for years and have > many reference books (and about 80 dolls), I'm > guessing from your descriptions that the one you > have is probably c.1870's (a china head with > earrings that was earlier would likely have smooth > center parted hair not curly), it's hard to tell > without a photo though. If you want to send me one > or post one somewhere I'll be glad to take a > look........ > > > > Perry > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 03:52:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB58q8Ci024535 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 03:52:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB58pN2L001884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB58pGoq011737; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB58pBtt011679 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 25627 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 08:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.1.3) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 08:51:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:56:58 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream projekt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003f01c4da3b$7bf70b50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <9EDD115E-469B-11D9-812A-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm glad that I'm not the only one who gets bored just before I finish! Many have asked why I make garments from different eras - they ask why don't I just specialise in one era? My reply is that once I've finished a garment I get a bit bored by that era and want to try something new, learn something new! I love learning so much - and every job I start now I find so much easier to tackle. Its like our dance teaching - people ask - what is historical ballroom? (We teach Renaissance, Baroque, Georgian, Regency, and Victorian dances) What will I learn? My reply is "You'll learn HOW to dance". One frustrating guy replied, but I want to learn to cha cha, will you teach me the cha cha? How can I learn the cha cha when you just say I'll learn to dance". Its just like sewing - you learn so much by learning what came before your period. Also back to dance - we're learning Baroque Dance for displaying and teaching - and its improved our English Country Dancing so much! Sorry about all my chatting - I've just returned from a dance workshop! Aylwen http://www.earthlydelights.com.au On Sunday, December 5, 2004, at 06:57 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I think that all projekts i have done is a dream projekt. > In order to make all your best efforts, you have to be in love with > your work, and i think i am that, when i make new things. > Off cause there are some hurddles, it often also gets boring when you > have tryed the most in the projekt, and you have to kick yourself to > finish it. > My current projekt, the dress with stumpwork chenille roses is great > fun right now, but i know already that it will be boring soon. Soon i > have finished the stomacher, and i have to spend the rest of the work > in doing tedious tedious rose and leave stumpwork leaves. I need to > make 45 roses wich have 4 leaves each, together with 102 green leaves. > And i cant give it up because it is a permission work. > When i get pensioned in about 10 years, and hopefully are well yeat > and still lives, i want to make big embroidered wall hangings in free > form embroidery. I dream of making some of my own pictures inspired > from the danish history............... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 03:55:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB58tfSN024561 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 03:55:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB58st2L002460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:54:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB58stnQ013628; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB58spWw013472 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.167.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.167] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id iB58saC9018644 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:54:36 +1100 Message-ID: <002c01c4daa7$e797dee0$a792d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk><20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com><200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20041203234736.014959e0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:53:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > By the way, the kind of pinking I mean is not done with scissors or shears, > but is decorative, as in Elizabethan clothes, and 18th and 19th century > dress trimming. I have some of the tools of my own, but am looking for a > different one. > > Suzi Oh do you mean the decorative hole punch type of pinking, well that's not all that likely to fray a lot and in period the solution would be gum arabic (as people have mentioned) or sometimes wax, this of course meant it couldn't be washed but most of the outer garments were rarely washed anyway. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 04:06:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB596Kh7024979 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 04:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB595a2L004736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 02:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB595WW6019994; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 02:05:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB595QrG019873 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 02:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 09:05:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041205085819.01496350@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:05:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? In-Reply-To: <002c01c4daa7$e797dee0$a792d6cb@ewalpole> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> <20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> <200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20041203234736.014959e0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:53 05/12/2004 +1100, you wrote: > > > By the way, the kind of pinking I mean is not done with scissors or >shears, > > but is decorative, as in Elizabethan clothes, and 18th and 19th century > > dress trimming. I have some of the tools of my own, but am looking for a > > different one. > > > > Suzi > >Oh do you mean the decorative hole punch type of pinking, well that's not >all that likely to fray a lot and in period the solution would be gum arabic >(as people have mentioned) or sometimes wax, this of course meant it >couldn't be washed but most of the outer garments were rarely washed anyway. The eighteenth and nineteenth century pinking is on the edges of fabric, and does fray, as my experience shows. If you cut slashes into fabric, that too can fray depending on the fabric. Even hole punch holes can fray on some materials - you can see it on original garments. I know about all the stuff you can use, but to modern eyes an edge of gum arabic or Fraycheck is not pretty, and unless you have the opportunity of one-to-one conversations with MOPs they can think you have done something modern and wrong. I know that fabrics weren't washed *then* but so many people nowadays expect to be able to have their costumes cleaned in some way, that this has to be taken into account. (Incidentally, Fraycheck can cause some fabrics to "bleed" colour", so beware.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 15:15:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KFq7E008864 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:15:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB5KEj2L004490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:14:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KESAH013553; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KEPqb013523 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-44-233.jps.net ([209.165.44.233] helo=[209.165.34.175]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cb2lz-0001eI-00; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:14:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:11:12 -0800 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Paternoster-Row.org X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Strictly speaking, this is about accessories rather than costume as such, but I thought people might be interested. At least paternosters contain fiber, in the form of strings and tassels :) O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O From at least as early as A.D. 1000, rosaries, paternosters or similar strings of prayer beads have been a common accessory carried by men and women, old and young. Indeed, the small round objects we know in English as beads were named from this practice; the root of the English word _bead_ is the same as for the word _bid_, and originally meant "to pray or request." Paternoster-Row is a website about the history of medieval rosary beads, paternosters, and prayer beads, with illustrations, replicas, and bibliography. Abundant references to existing paintings, surviving medieval beads, and source documents help the careful researcher tell what is known and what is legendary or mythical. Discussions illuminate many of the different types of beads and rosaries popular in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. Replicas of historical rosaries in authentic materials show what the originals may have looked like when new, and descriptions of how these were made may inspire you to make your own. New every week, the Paternosters Blog , linked from the Paternoster-row webpage, has observations on historical rosaries, paternosters and other forms of prayer beads, focusing on those in use before 1600AD, but including comments on modern trends as well. Recent short articles include "Ring around the rosary" (history of rosary rings), "News of the Weird" (some modern rosaries of odd materials), "Up against the wall" (large rosaries as wall ornaments), "Counting to ten" (the Renaissance men's short rosary or "tenner"), "String, or nothing" (the materials medieval rosaries were strung on), and "Rosaries for Ren Faire" (on finding appropriate rosaries for 16th-century Renaissance characters). Comments are welcome! O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 15:22:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KMKWq008904 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:22:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB5KLU2L004964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KLRkS018175; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KLPJZ018154 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:21:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I89002MAN7OXQ@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.45] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.202]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:21:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:21:24 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s To: Historical Costume Message-id: <6a6e486a6570.6a65706a6e48@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, maybe you can help me --I am trying to get documentation of a particular style of Houplenade (sp?). I have a few pics: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/panofsky250a.jpg and http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/trivickp1135.jpg http:/www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/evansp1131c.jpg I would love a better - larger? copy of http://utronto.ca/stmikes/courses/christianity/nether2.html (the dress of the patron in the Catheryne of Cleves Book of Hours) I only have a small b&w photocopy of an illustration from Heures de Paris 1400-1410 (Paris, Biblotheque Nationale, Latin 1161) And it has no notation of which illustration it is, just where it came from - SIGH! AND http:www.kfki.hu/~arthp/support/viewer/1.html and of course http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg (the lady in the far right of the image) Are these particular Houplenades (sp?) all alegorical? or if I make one with this type of collar will I be making a faux pas? I live in a small town with a very limited library... Also, I don't know what books to look for for this type of outfit. Thanks for any help Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzi Clarke > > Just a few comments. I still think pictorial evidence is valid if > you have books from all over, and can compare. I have, so I do!! Living in > England I have access to lots of European publications, many in English > translation, and many of which are not on regular book lists. I think after > more than 30 years, I know how to compare. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 5 15:37:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5KbTqm009046 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB5Kai2L006346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:36:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5Kaa6A029149; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB5KaQFj028867 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 20:36:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041205202451.01496898@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:36:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s In-Reply-To: <6a6e486a6570.6a65706a6e48@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:21 05/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Suzi, > >maybe you can help me --I am trying to get documentation of a particular >style of Houplenade (sp?). > >I have a few pics: >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/panofsky250a.jpg >and >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/trivickp1135.jpg >http:/www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/evansp1131c.jpg > >I would love a better - larger? copy of >http://utronto.ca/stmikes/courses/christianity/nether2.html >(the dress of the patron in the Catheryne of Cleves Book of Hours) > >I only have a small b&w photocopy of an illustration from Heures de Paris >1400-1410 (Paris, Biblotheque Nationale, Latin 1161) And it has no >notation of which illustration it is, just where it came from - SIGH! > >AND >http:www.kfki.hu/~arthp/support/viewer/1.html > >and of course >http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg >(the lady in the far right of the image) > >Are these particular Houplenades (sp?) all alegorical? or if I make one >with this type of collar will I be making a faux pas? > >I live in a small town with a very limited library... Also, I don't know >what books to look for for this type of outfit. > >Thanks for any help >Katheryne I can only "see" the first and last references you give unfortunately. However, I know these houppelandes, and they are perfectly ordinary, regular everyday clothes, not allegorical at all. You can find a pattern for a V neck houppelande in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500" by Jean Hunnisett, published by Players Press, which you could alter.(If you cannot buy it locally - Barnes and Noble stock it, although they may tell you they don't - the publisher will take orders from individuals. I will see what other images I can find for you. The first one is from a fireplace in Amsterdam, a series of 10 figures, all in clothes worn by the middle and upper classes. They are now in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.You could also look for Mary, or M.G. Houston, "Medieval Costume in England and France".where I think there are other references to this style of costume. I also think maybe the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries may have this style too. More if I can think of anything. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 6 09:55:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6Esxh0005802 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:54:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6Eru2L018518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:53:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6ErjcB050504; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6EretG050260 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.184]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EDB64262819 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:53:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c4dba3$6368c7e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:53:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stomacher stays and such....... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi the list, I thoaght you would like to see how i progress with my work. The stomacher is 2/3 finished and i am starting to make the stays to fit the dress. Wissner have made boning only 4 mm. wide, and this gives me the opportunity to make the stays look like the beautifull red wool stays in Costume in Detail. I am going to make the stays in red silk taffeta, and i think i have enough taffeta, so that i could make the pannier in red taffeta two.......... The stitching is made in ivory silk sewing thread..... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 6 14:26:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6JQQQ6008239 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6JPG2L017298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6JOo1d092756; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB6JOl41092646 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:24:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.133.203 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2004 19:24:41 -0000 Message-ID: <006d01c4dbc9$46f09d60$cb852cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:24:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries (Victoria and Albert Museum Studies) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all I have been feeling rather sorry for myself, having gone down with a bug just when I should have been off to a party, but at least I have something to read in my sickbed: Medieval Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries (Victoria and Albert Museum Studies) Linda Woolley 2002 ISBN: 0810966018 Much of it is devoted to costuming issues, and whilst there are undoubted fantasy elements in the tapestries it would appear that the V&A, at least, does not conclude that these make the portrayals of most of the figures unreliable. And, of course, they are stunningly beautiful... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 6 16:52:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6LqF6D026649 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:52:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6Lom2L002185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6Lob5n022799; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:50:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6LoUbH022467 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3C6B1A07B2; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:50:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust78.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.78]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 20B39A07BB; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <127701c4dbdd$a309f290$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" , , Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:50:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Maler painting--early 16thC Polish/Hungarian styles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been staring at a painting of a gown I'd like to make for a while: http://www.museothyssen.org/ingles/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=609 or in snipped form: http://snipurl.com/b5pp (X-post apologies) I've got a lot of rambling here, describing my thoughts in trying to figure this gown out. However, if you want to skip it, here's my main question: what does the rest of this gown look like, and what part of the world might have other gowns in this style? The sitter is Anne of Hungary and Bohemia, painted in 1519 by Hans Maler, a Tyrolese painter. Anne was of a Polish royal family; her father ruled Hungary and Bohemia, and she married Ferdinand of the Habsburgs in 1521. Hungary and Bohemia was squeezed in between Austria, a zillion small Germanic states of the Holy Empire, and the Turks, so there are all sorts of interesting influences there, but.... Whether this is a Polish style, or a Hungarian style, or a Bohemian style, or a Tyrolese style, or an Austrian style or etcetcetc I do not know! I do know that it's not like anything else I'm seeing at this time period and that before I can make it, I really need to see at least one or two other vaguely similar things! Based on her history, it would appear that she's most likely to be wearing the styles of Hungary and Bohemia (which as far as I can tell, was regarded as one nation at this time). So, I've been looking at Hungarian works from this time, and the styles don't look one bit like Germanic styles--which was the first widely-researched area I thought to check, even though apart from the hat, nothing about this gown looks Germanic. At least, not c1520 Germanic. I'm not sure exactly whose styles I'd say the Hungarian stuff I've seen DOES look like; perhaps a mix of French and German, but 10-30 years behind the times. (For example, I'm seeing v-necked gowns in the 1510s, with center front bust pleats like 1470s-90s German gowns!) However, most art available from Hungary at this time is heavily religious and allegorical, and to me looks like a bunch of not-so-great copies of noticeably earlier Franco-Flemish art. In other words, not terribly helpful. However, if the styles of the general area was as behind the times as the paintings suggest, it wouldn't seem too odd to me if this was more of an A-line dress, with no waist seam--my favorite style. And since it's my favorite, I may be seeing it where it's not. However, in Hungarian art in the early 16thC I am seeing my favorite no-waist-seam square-necked styles, so it may not be impossible. My main confusion, of course, is what the gown would have looked like from the waist down. On this gown, there are a few hints about what might lie below the waist, and to me they spell no waist seam. The waist curve on her side is not the sort of curve you see with a waist seam; with a waist seam you don't see it curve out _above_ the waist, at least not that high up. Also, the gold trim continues below her hands, in a line with what's above, but not at the center front as though it were trimming a split. I know that fashionable German styles at this time had waist seams. But this is not exactly a painting of a typical German fashion by a typical German painter; you can tell that just by looking. It's nothing like the typical Germanic fashions of 1519. Anne was Polish and grew up in Hungary and Bohemia; she certainly wouldn't have looked like a Saxon princess. Maler, however, was influenced by Durer, so perhaps Durer's paintings are worth looking at. I'm not saying my mind is completely closed to anything involving waist seams. By no means! I'm just saying that the typical German Ren styles, to my eye, don't seem to apply to this particular gown, which is my problem in the first place! Unfortunately, what it DOES most remind me of is styles from western Europe in the 2nd half of the 16thC. Or perhaps early 16thC Spain; Anne was engaged to Ferdinand at the time of the painting, and Ferdinand was raised in Spain, and a similar neck treatment can be seen in Spain at around the same time. Enough rambling. Waist seam? No waist seam? Pointy bodice? Straight across? Trim placement? Austrian influence? Spanish influence? Any ideas? -E the dehydrated _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 6 19:28:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB70SPD2029133 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:28:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB70RV2L018334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:27:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB70RGqV061707; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:27:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB70RCbU061496 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.84.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.84] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id iB70QuLg018359 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:26:57 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c4dbf3$5130b920$5492d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203211411.014958b0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk><20041203210602.72238.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com><200412031903.iB3J2HoQ058902@net.indra.com><5.1.0.14.2.20041203234736.014959e0@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20041205085819.01496350@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinkes? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:38:17 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The eighteenth and nineteenth century pinking is on the edges of fabric, > and does fray, as my experience shows. If you cut slashes into fabric, that > too can fray depending on the fabric. Even hole punch holes can fray on > some materials - you can see it on original garments. I know about all the > stuff you can use, but to modern eyes an edge of gum arabic or Fraycheck is > not pretty, and unless you have the opportunity of one-to-one conversations > with MOPs they can think you have done something modern and wrong. I know > that fabrics weren't washed *then* but so many people nowadays expect to be > able to have their costumes cleaned in some way, that this has to be taken > into account. (Incidentally, Fraycheck can cause some fabrics to "bleed" > colour", so beware.) > > Suzi Ah well my research only goes as far as 1600 and as you mentioned Elizabethan I thought of the way the term was used in the 16th century. The only other solutions I can think of is that iron on non-woven interfacing or binding the cut edges with something (thread, or fabric). Of course some period garments were simply allowed to fray but if people are going to have a problem with seeing gum Arabic on the cut edges they will have just as much of a problem with it fraying. Sorry I can't offer a better solution Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 05:02:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A2GVM018797 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:02:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7A0U2L026796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:00:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A0GkI010024; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A0ELl009965 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F14F102C for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:00:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:14:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041204150337.01495d70@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> References: <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi, At 03:15 PM 12/4/2004 +0000, you wrote: >C.W and P. Cunnington "Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century I have been trying to get a copy of this book, within my budget. It just goes for higher on eBay. Thankfully a friend can loan me his now and then. >James Laver, "Early Tudor 1485- 1558" Lots of large black and white >pictures. (Costume of th eWeatern World Series) Thank you. I hunted this down tonight and it is on its way soon (I hope). >G. Reynolds "Elizabethan and Jacobean 1558 -1625" same series as the >Laver, and same style I will put this in my to-find list for later. I am trying to focus on earlier Tudor if possible. >A. Blum "The Last Valois 1515-1590" same as above Thanks for the suggestion. I found a few copies and may get this soon depending on the Laver book style. >I also have a wonderful Czech book with pictures in close-up in colour, >but I imagine that is difficult to find - thank you E.Bay!! Would that be _Fashions Through the Centuries, Renaissance Baroque and Rococo_ by Olga Sronkova? I found my copy of this book while window shopping in San Luis Obispo years ago, and forgot about looking there until you mention a Czech book. >I have a lot of general books with colour pictures (my costume library is very large) so if you have specific queries please ask me off list. When I get down to specifics, I will let you know. Thanks for the offer. I, too, have many Elizabethan books, its the Henry-can books that I am trying to focus on. And thank you for your list. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 05:06:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A64ci019759 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:06:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7A5R2L027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:05:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A5OVV012948; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A0Etg009977 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5065161A for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:00:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207013238.01a90050@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:51:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20041204150337.01495d70@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Janet, At 01:06 AM 12/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >While I'm interested in the time period you requested, I don't have much >interest in England. However, here are a few books: > >Anderson, Ruth, Hispanic Costume 1480-1530, Hispanic Society of America, >1979. This is a fantastic costume book, although there is not a great >deal after 1500. It is currently in print, just hard to find. Thank you. I found several copies at very disparate price tags, and currently out of my budget. But it is now on my wish list. >De Lasarte, Joan, Catalan Painting: From Gothic Splendor to the Baroque, >Skira/Rizzoli, 1991. There isn't much in here for the years you are >interested in, but there is a good reproduction of one of my favorite >outfits from about the 1520's - a yellow dress covered with red ribbons >and bag sleeves. Hmmm... that's interesting, especially the description given at Amazon.com about stained glass. >Kybalova, L., Herbenova, O. & Lamarova, M., The Pictorial Encyclopedia of >Fashion, Paul Hamlyn, 1968. This is similar to the Davenport book, >with lots of B/W photos of art from all over Europe. This seems familiar to me... but I don't know why. >Van Os, H., Kok, J., Luijten, G. & Scholten, F., Netherlandish Art in the >Rijksmuseum 1400-1600, Waanders Publishers, 2000. This is actually >currently in print. I found it listed at Amazon, but it's frustrating that there's no info on what's inside. If you hadn't suggested it, I don't think I would have ever noticed. Ah, I see you carry it, but the price is a bit out of my current budget. Maybe after Christmas is over I can get it. I love books, but I hate being on a budget. >Janet > > > >Janet Davis >Castle Furnishings >www.medievalbookstore.com Thanks so much Janet. I really appreciate your suggestions. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 05:06:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A68XD019812 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7A5J2L026979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:05:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A5JJi012890; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A0EpQ009962 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC5F1003 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:00:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207005839.024e4668@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:59:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041203155659.00b0cf88@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:39 PM 12/3/2004 -0800, you wrote: >The Book of Costume, by Millia Davenport. The pictures are black and >white, with a couple of color plates stuck in there, but it has the >greatest number of costume images per period of any book I've ever seen, >with no re-drawings (perhaps 2200 images in all). There are even small >articles on the life and times of several periods in certain countries, >and of things like pocket watches. > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com Ah, yes, I recently got that book. I didn't know about the pocket watches until I saw them in there, and was just amazed at how appropriate some modern versions could be. Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 05:06:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A6JUE019914 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7A5W2L027023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:05:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A5V7j013020; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7A0EwW009972 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41401037 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:00:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207012734.01b7c368@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:29:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: <005301c4da39$31855830$0302a8c0@familyroom> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/614/Wed Dec 1 08:44:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:41 PM 12/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Why yes.. I brain sparked and thought 15th century.. oops. > >There are some English monumental brasses shown from the early 16th >century in this book. > >Catalogue of Rubbings of Brasses and Incised Slabs by Muriel Clayton >(1979 Victoria and Albert Museum) > >I also have a book in French that I bought at the Musee Cluny. I do not >know if this book comes in an English format or not. It has many very >nice images of early 16th century French dress in many tapestries. > >La tapisserie medievale au Musee de Cluny, by Fabienne Joubert. > >Now in the right century. >Annette Thanks Annette for your suggestions, in either centuries. I had forgotten about brasses and slabs. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 13:24:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7IOwrq032737 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:24:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7INh2L014627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7INSR1058348; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:23:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7INJgA058154 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA02596 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:23:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:23:19 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.125.154 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I couldn't seem to find clear info about this subject. What did a man or woman wear for jewelry during the late 13th - 14th century. Did women wear earrings? My persona is a middle class woman. Thanks for any info. Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 13:35:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7IZFqv000349 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7IYO2L015625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7IYFFh068297; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7IXoFG067887 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EFD425D5 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:33:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]searching for Books ( was: early-mid 1500s??) References: <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi Suzi, > > At 03:15 PM 12/4/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >> C.W and P. Cunnington "Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century > > > I have been trying to get a copy of this book, within my budget. It just > goes for higher on eBay. Thankfully a friend can loan me his now and then. > Here's a fairly inexpensive ex-library copy: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=351654592 Ebay can be great for books sometimes, and absolutely the worst place at other times. It seems that books either go for pennies, or people pay way more than retail or the going price for it. If I see something interesting on Ebay I always do a book search to see what the going rate is. In my last book-buying frenzy I saved myself enough to buy a couple more titles by comparison shopping. Another tip, Halloween is a great time to find costume books. All the little ebay sellers who may have picked up one or two costume books for resale will list them in September and October. And a lot of them go for pennies, the seller bought it for $2 at a yard sale and only wants $4 for it, where a costumer will list the same book for half of retail, or the going Amazon price. It's also a good time to find weird little pamphlets from museums and historical societies that sellers just don't list at other times of the year. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 14:33:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7JX8d7000793 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7JWA2L021409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7JVtXH021394; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:31:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7JVqcb021353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB7JR6TA006773 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:27:06 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:27:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41B60527.1020204@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:31:51 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houps was: Two observations: was Books early-mid 1500s References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041205202451.01496898@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041205202451.01496898@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > I can only "see" the first and last references you give unfortunately. > However, I know these houppelandes, and they are perfectly ordinary, > regular everyday clothes, not allegorical at all. I agree. I've got some musings about houps at: http://www.virtue.to/articles/circle_houp.html > references to this style of costume. I also think maybe the Devonshire > Hunting Tapestries may have this style too. Yes, and lots of it! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Politically Correct" these days means "a position I don't agree with." Writers should have the integrity to spell these positions out, not just label them with a confusing, multi-interpretable catchphrase. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 17:48:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7MmlJL003609 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7Mlg2L014986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:47:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7Ml0rF000785; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7MktRN000709 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25525B9B for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:20:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:52:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost]searching for Books ( was: early-mid 1500s??) In-Reply-To: <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, At 12:33 PM 12/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Here's a fairly inexpensive ex-library copy: >http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=351654592 Oh, thanks! They must have recently got this in, cause when I went looking for it a few weeks ago, there was nothing in my price range, and most, as now, being in the $50+ range. Such a small book to go for so much. >Ebay can be great for books sometimes, and absolutely the worst place at >other times. It seems that books either go for pennies, or people pay way >more than retail or the going price for it. If I see something interesting >on Ebay I always do a book search to see what the going rate is. In my >last book-buying frenzy I saved myself enough to buy a couple more titles >by comparison shopping. I try to do the same, and I shake my head and wonder at times about the pricing on eBay, compared to other sources. >Another tip, Halloween is a great time to find costume books. All the >little ebay sellers who may have picked up one or two costume books for >resale will list them in September and October. And a lot of them go for >pennies, the seller bought it for $2 at a yard sale and only wants $4 for >it, where a costumer will list the same book for half of retail, or the >going Amazon price. It's also a good time to find weird little pamphlets >from museums and historical societies that sellers just don't list at >other times of the year. > >Dawn Thanks for that tip as well. You are quite wonderful in your suggestions. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 17:54:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7MsCcV003672 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:54:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7MrI2L015491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:53:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7MrBZe006033; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:53:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7Mr8sG005931 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:52:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:53:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 22:53:00.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[807427A0:01C4DCAF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I couldn't seem to find clear info about this subject. What did a man or > woman wear for jewelry during the late 13th - 14th century. Did women wear > earrings? Not that I know of. The only jewelry I do know about for a fact were annular brooches, that were worn at the neck of the gown to keep the edges together. There almost ubiquitous. And rings. Also, woven belts with lots of metal fixings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 19:25:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB80P3ZZ004218 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:25:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB80Np2L023637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB80Ni1W081255; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB80NggK081223 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.22]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CbpcL-0001Rb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:23:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3498704.1102465421730.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:23:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know, somebody just started a website about that: http://paternosters.home.igc.org/ Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Marshall Sent: Dec 7, 2004 4:49 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry So, when did rosaries come into use/fashion? I thought they were as widespread as the church? Pyro _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 20:02:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB812fTm004432 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:02:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB7NoI2L020864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:50:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7Nn77q053973; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7Nn5Vl053879 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.13]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:48:16 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:49:16 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c4dcb7$5cbf8e00$0db00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 23:48:16.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[38E78780:01C4DCB7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, when did rosaries come into use/fashion? I thought they were as widespread as the church? Pyro -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry > I couldn't seem to find clear info about this subject. What did a man or > woman wear for jewelry during the late 13th - 14th century. Did women wear > earrings? Not that I know of. The only jewelry I do know about for a fact were annular brooches, that were worn at the neck of the gown to keep the edges together. There almost ubiquitous. And rings. Also, woven belts with lots of metal fixings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 20:13:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB81DUPa004489 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB81CZ2L027716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:12:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB81CNws015672; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB81CJ6c015623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB81CIdD030162 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:12:18 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:26:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko, Have you tried Bookfinder.com or Alibris.com to find the Cunnington? I just picked it up for $30 there at Suzi's suggestion. I wouldn't have thought of looking on E-Bay for a book I wanted- thanks for the idea! Regina Romsey/Wanda Pease Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but giggle when you see one tumble down the stairs. > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kimiko Small > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:15 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? > > > Hi Suzi, > > At 03:15 PM 12/4/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >C.W and P. Cunnington "Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century > > I have been trying to get a copy of this book, within my budget. It just > goes for higher on eBay. Thankfully a friend can loan me his now and then. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 20:49:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB81n4mm004643 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:49:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB81lp2L000488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:47:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB81lghm039081; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB81ldWA039027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB82r5Fr027501 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:53:05 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]searching for Books ( was: early-mid 1500s??) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:04:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412072104.57342.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 07 December 2004 1:33 pm, Dawn wrote: [snip] > Ebay can be great for books sometimes, and absolutely the worst place at > other times. It seems that books either go for pennies, or people pay > way more than retail or the going price for it. If I see something > interesting on Ebay I always do a book search to see what the going rate > is. In my last book-buying frenzy I saved myself enough to buy a couple > more titles by comparison shopping. Addall.com has a feature that will let you run the addall search you just did on EBay. It only works on some browsers (or on some browser settings--I think I can't use it at home because of my security settings). I use the prices I get on addall as a guide when I go shopping for used costume books on Ebay. > > Another tip, Halloween is a great time to find costume books. All the > little ebay sellers who may have picked up one or two costume books for > resale will list them in September and October. And a lot of them go for > pennies, the seller bought it for $2 at a yard sale and only wants $4 > for it, where a costumer will list the same book for half of retail, or > the going Amazon price. It's also a good time to find weird little > pamphlets from museums and historical societies that sellers just don't > list at other times of the year. I didn't know that. Thanks. That's very useful to know. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 21:38:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB82cwDH005169 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB82c32L004693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB82bsE0071955; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:37:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB82bnKG071898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB83hCnc029167 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:43:16 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:55:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> In-Reply-To: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412072155.04439.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 07 December 2004 1:23 pm, roscelin wrote: > Greetings, > I couldn't seem to find clear info about this subject. What did a man or > woman wear for jewelry during the late 13th - 14th century. Did women wear > earrings? My persona is a middle class woman. Thanks for any info. Based on my recollection, very little. Late 13th-early 14thc female fashions tend to be flowing and to cover neck and ears, precluding earrings and necklaces. In general, jewelry during this period was confined to brooches (a small one, perhaps, to close a dress or a larger one for a cloak), finger rings, and perhaps an ornamental belt buckle for women, and mostly just finger rings (with or without precious stones), cloak brooches and belt buckles for men. Later in the 14th c., necklines went down for women, and in general necklaces for women and big neck chains or jeweled "collars" for men became popular, in addition to the above. By then, men might also wear a brooch on their hats. You don't see earring wearing, though, until well into the 16th century in northern Europe (I think necklaces and earrings became fashionable much earlier in the Mediterranean countries, but if memory serves me it doesn't show up even there in the 13th century). This site attempts to give a broad overview, with pictorial examples (some of which refused to display for me:) http://www.ceu.hu/medstud/manual/SRM/types.htm None of this, so far as I know, is true of the eastern reaches of Europe (e.g., Russia and Byzantium). Russian women wore metal rings and ornaments of various kinds on elaborate headdresses or (in the case of maidens, in their hair), and huge necklaces and wide jeweled collars were a common ornament. I do know of one web site that discusses Russian jewelry, at least for women, in this period: http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/KWCjewel.html I'm told the definitive book on medieval jewelry in question is Medieval Jewellery, by Ronald Lightbown, but I've never been fortunate enough to locate a copy. Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 7 22:18:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB83Ieth005541 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB83Hl2L007322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB83HdHU096588; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB83HcLo096573 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from h-68-164-186-158.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.186.158] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CbsKf-0004MA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:17:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c4dcb7$5cbf8e00$0db00040@softwareinnovation.com> References: <000601c4dcb7$5cbf8e00$0db00040@softwareinnovation.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:01:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 5:49 PM -0600 12/7/04, Betsy Marshall wrote: >So, when did rosaries come into use/fashion? I thought they were as >widespread as the church? Pyro I could swear that Chris posted the url here for her rosary history pages a day or two ago. Try and Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 01:12:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB86CLvg006777 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:12:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB86BR2L018591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB86BDtf000577; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB86BAdJ000521 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21097 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:22:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:22:54 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry In-Reply-To: <3498704.1102465421730.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Frank and Tracy Thallas wrote: > You know, somebody just started a website about that: > > http://paternosters.home.igc.org/ Chris Laning, the best expert I know in medieval paternosters, just announced her website on the same topic on this list a few days ago. It's here: http://paternoster-row.org I think she runs a yahoo-group on the topic, too. (Chris, are you reading?) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 01:52:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB86qgjr007111 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:52:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB86pv2L020691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:51:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB86pqKY022699; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB86poO7022618 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-40-060.jps.net ([209.165.40.60] helo=[209.165.52.133]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cbvfp-0000Jm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:51:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200412072155.04439.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> <200412072155.04439.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:49:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:55 PM -0500 12/7/04, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Tuesday 07 December 2004 1:23 pm, roscelin wrote: >> Greetings, >> I couldn't seem to find clear info about this subject. What did a man or >> woman wear for jewelry during the late 13th - 14th century. Did women wear >> earrings? My persona is a middle class woman. Thanks for any info. > >Based on my recollection, very little. Late 13th-early 14thc female fashions >tend to be flowing and to cover neck and ears, precluding earrings and >necklaces. > > In general, jewelry during this period was confined to brooches (a small one, >perhaps, to close a dress or a larger one for a cloak), finger rings, and >perhaps an ornamental belt buckle for women, and mostly just finger rings >(with or without precious stones), cloak brooches and belt buckles for men. >Later in the 14th c., necklines went down for women, and in general necklaces >for women and big neck chains or jeweled "collars" for men became popular, >in addition to the above. By then, men might also wear a brooch on their >hats. > >I'm told the definitive book on medieval jewelry in question is Medieval >Jewellery, by Ronald Lightbown, but I've never been fortunate enough to >locate a copy. It is. It's huge, lovely, and incredibly expensive. It was $200 when it was (too briefly) in print, and immediately shot up to $500-600 as soon as it went out of print. Fortunately, my local university library has a copy. I happened to be re-reading a couple of chapters recently and ran across a note or two. The chapter "Secular and Religious Gifts of Jewellery" details the gifts given to and from a number of (mostly royal and ducal) personages mostly in the 14th and 15th centuries, with occasional earlier pieces. Betrothal and bridal gifts, love tokens and New Year's gifts (in some places) seem to have been the major occasions. It's noted that generally unmarried girls wore little jewelry -- except in certain areas: "...there were two schools of thought in mediaeval Europe. By far the larger school believed that maidenly modesty and simplicity of attire were alone proper to a maiden, but another, vocal only in certain regions and cities of Spain and Italy so far as we can tell, opined that a maiden needed to be richly garbed and jewelled in order to attract suitors. In some places, fourteenth-century Barcelona for example, the sumptuary laws would for this reason allow unmarried girls a sumptuousness of dress and ornaments that was rigorously forbidden after marriage...." (p.68) As for brides and married women: "...As we have seen, the giving of jewellery to a bride first on betrothal and then on marriage was a recognized social custom throughout Western Europe, and in most countries it seems also to have been expected that either her family or the bridegroom should provide her with the ornaments suitable to her standing as a married woman. In addition to these, the bridegroom must often have given the bride-to-be some personal token of love -- usually a brooch or a ring -- and most of the ring brooches which bear lover's inscriptions were surely gifts of this kind, or gifts made in the years following marriage, before the young girl had grown into a serious and dignified matron, whose prime ornaments were a girdle and paternoster." The book generally focuses on the 14th and 15th centuries, and discusses in detail such things as rings, brooches, paternoster beads (the best single source in English on the subject, IMHO), pomanders, mirrors, girdle ornaments and decorated girdle-ends, collars (2 chapters), dress and head ornaments, et cetera. There are abundant citations of period documents such as wills and inventories, and a superb selection of color photos at the end. Try to get your hands on it through inter-library loan. (And yes, that's my rosary page Heather mentioned. It's a small site now, but will grow..... and you're welcome to join the mailing list and to ask questions.) -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 03:30:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB88ULAg003795 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 03:30:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB88TE2L025590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:29:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB88T4c9075851; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB88SwmW075782 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5864E34A04 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:28:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207235103.02b859d8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:15:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books early-mid 1500s?? In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:26 PM 12/7/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Kimiko, > > Have you tried Bookfinder.com or Alibris.com to find the > Cunnington? I >just picked it up for $30 there at Suzi's suggestion. I wouldn't have >thought of looking on E-Bay for a book I wanted- thanks for the idea! > >Regina Romsey/Wanda Pease >Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you >still can't help but giggle when you see one tumble down the stairs. Hi Regina/Wanda, Dawn found a relatively inexpensive copy at abebooks, so I ordered that one, along with a book for my husband that he's been waiting almost a year for from Amazon (and never got, even tho it was listed as "in stock" twice). Thanks for the suggestions on other book finder sites. I was not aware of them until now. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 03:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB88Z5C4006766 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 03:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB88Xd2L025752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:33:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB88XcF1078510; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB88Sw81075792 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:28:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739634A15 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:28:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041208002755.02b9b6e0@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:28:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost]searching for Books ( was: early-mid 1500s??) In-Reply-To: <200412072104.57342.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:04 PM 12/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Addall.com has a feature that will let you run the addall search you just did >on EBay. It only works on some browsers (or on some browser settings--I >think I can't use it at home because of my security settings). I use the >prices I get on addall as a guide when I go shopping for used costume books >on Ebay. Hi Cathy, Thanks so much for sharing this site. I really like the comparison features it offers, including descriptors. Very handy site. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 08:38:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8Dcb07003563 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB8Dbj2L023000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 06:37:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8DbaEx050627; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 06:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB8DbVdY050536 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 06:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.134.20 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 13:37:25 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01c4dd2b$1a053e60$14862cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> <200412072155.04439.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:37:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all You might also add to the booklist Medieval Goldsmith's Work Isa Bella Barsili Hamlyn, 1969 It covers non-jewellery items as well, of course, and a lengthy time span, but there are 71 colour plates so it's well worth a look if you can find it! The Hunting Tapestries are just after your period, but there are similarities in decoration to items shown in earlier manuscripts. The vast jewelled collars probably fall into our notion of jewellery, but other items are alien to us; for example, covering an entire sleeve in silver teardrops, or long falls of tiny bells in gold. Lastly, bear in mind that English English and US English use different spellings for jewellery; this makes quite a difference to web searches:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 09:59:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8ExP27004552 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:59:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB8EwU2L029347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8EwKrF003646; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8EwH6k003086 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:58:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iB8Eva208756.; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:57:36 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:57:36 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:57:30 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] BBC "North and South" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The list seems pretty quiet, so I'll start a new thread - Anyone in the UK see the recent dramatisation of Mrs. Gaskell's "North and South"? I thought the costumes were good so far as my limited knowledge of Victorian fashions goes, but what really annoyed me was the social gaffes in the climactic scene. The hero and heroine are in trains travelling in opposite directions; they spot one another at a station, get out onto the platform and sit on a seat where they are soon kissing passionately. She is hatless, he in his shirtsleeves with open collar. Quite apart from the impropriety of a lady and gentleman behaving so uninhibitedly in public, I'm sure a gentleman of the 1850s would not have sat in a railway carriage informally dressed, whatever the weather. Some modern writers of adaptations seem to feel that the viewer won't get the point unless the characters behave as modern people would. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 10:29:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8FTg6k004937 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB8FSr2L001906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:28:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8FSik8026630; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB8FSXLH026421 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 15:28:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041208152222.01497420@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:28:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBC "North and South" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:57 08/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: >The list seems pretty quiet, so I'll start a new thread - > >Anyone in the UK see the recent dramatisation of Mrs. Gaskell's "North >and South"? I thought the costumes were good so far as my limited >knowledge of Victorian fashions goes, but what really annoyed me was the >social gaffes in the climactic scene. The hero and heroine are in trains >travelling in opposite directions; they spot one another at a station, >get out onto the platform and sit on a seat where they are soon kissing >passionately. She is hatless, he in his shirtsleeves with open collar. >Quite apart from the impropriety of a lady and gentleman behaving so >uninhibitedly in public, I'm sure a gentleman of the 1850s would not >have sat in a railway carriage informally dressed, whatever the weather. >Some modern writers of adaptations seem to feel that the viewer won't >get the point unless the characters behave as modern people would. I was very unhappy about the costumes - the poor heroine had only one hat, and I didn't think that was too brilliant. The hero's sister seemed to have dropped in from about 10 years later - make that 20, as I am sure I saw a bustle. You could see the crinolines under the heroine's skirts! And why was there no lace collar on her plain dresses - that is something you never see in fashion plates - an uncovered neckline. And as for the makeup! And there were a lot of social gaffs - no gloves at dinner? Tut!! And the scene at the railway station, while wonderfully romantic, just would never have happened. (And how did she get her entire wardrobe into a carpet bag? I wish I knew the trick of it - would be great for going on holiday!) Suzi (really enjoying picking faults!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 17:28:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MSKgv008822 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:28:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB8MQu2L017225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:26:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MQhUK014358; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MQdX9014146 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CcAGR-000B9W-8Y for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:26:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:25:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBC "North and South" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041208152222.01497420@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041208152222.01497420@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote >At 14:57 08/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: >>The list seems pretty quiet, so I'll start a new thread - >> >>Anyone in the UK see the recent dramatisation of Mrs. Gaskell's "North >>and South"? I thought the costumes were good so far as my limited >>knowledge of Victorian fashions goes, but what really annoyed me was the >>social gaffes in the climactic scene. The hero and heroine are in trains >>travelling in opposite directions; they spot one another at a station, >>get out onto the platform and sit on a seat where they are soon kissing >>passionately. She is hatless, he in his shirtsleeves with open collar. >>Quite apart from the impropriety of a lady and gentleman behaving so >>uninhibitedly in public, I'm sure a gentleman of the 1850s would not >>have sat in a railway carriage informally dressed, whatever the weather. >>Some modern writers of adaptations seem to feel that the viewer won't >>get the point unless the characters behave as modern people would. > > > > >I was very unhappy about the costumes - the poor heroine had only one >hat, and I didn't think that was too brilliant. The hero's sister >seemed to have dropped in from about 10 years later - make that 20, as >I am sure I saw a bustle. You could see the crinolines under the >heroine's skirts! And why was there no lace collar on her plain dresses >- that is something you never see in fashion plates - an uncovered >neckline. And as for the makeup! And there were a lot of social gaffs - >no gloves at dinner? Tut!! And the scene at the railway station, while >wonderfully romantic, just would never have happened. (And how did she >get her entire wardrobe into a carpet bag? I wish I knew the trick of >it - would be great for going on holiday!) > >Suzi (really enjoying picking faults!) > I sort of assumed that was her "cabin" baggage, which would see her through until she sent for the rest. After all, she'd only been up to Milton for a day or so. Does anyone know the book? While I, too, thought the snogging was way out of order, I was interested that they actually met on passing trains like that - it must be a pretty early example, if that's what happens in the book? The hero's sister was meant to be racy and extravagant, while the heroine was a parson's daughter, and fallen on hard times too, so there could certainly be quite a contrast between their clothes, but perhaps not as much as all that. It's such a shame when directors don't use the etiquette and fashion properly, because it can add so much. Remember that heart-stopping kiss on the hand in The Age of Elegance? Possibly the most erotic moment in any movie, and not an inch of flesh exposed! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 17:35:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MZQFN008950 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:35:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB8MYF2L018376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MY9SW021328; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MVxK5019123 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB8MVqM02224 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:31:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:30:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Althea Turner To: Costume Historical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Russian net X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all, I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress ball on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want dark green with rhinestones. Any ideas? thank you! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 17:55:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MthnM009110 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:55:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB8MsQ2L021062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MsF9E040705; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8MsBgf040646 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from pf-enccos5.cos.agilent.com (enccos5.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.94]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CC329933 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from enccos5.cos.agilent.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CD559C0AF for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (130.29.152.239) by enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 7585256; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:11:10 -0700 Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3458647 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:11:09 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:11:08 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:11:08 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03613E0F@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 932 Thread-Index: AcTbxuSWHPQwGMtRRveFosuPtT0TgQA7GQbAACuZy+A= From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 20:11:08.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DF1F230:01C4DD62] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iB8MsBgf040646 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for being a bit late on this thread, but I didn't see anyone mention these books: For German my favorite is: _Early German Painting 1350-1550_ by Isolde Lübbeke (it's not in print, unfortunately) For Italian I like: _Virtue and Beauty : Leonardo's Ginevra de' Benci and Renaissance Portraits of Women_ (this is in print) _The Dress of the Venetians, 1495-1525_ by Stella Mary Newton (not really a picture book...and it doesn't look like it's still in print.) I can't think of any that focus specifically on England or France... I generally hunt-and-peck though lots of books ... My favorite book for this time-period has been mentioned before ( _Hispanic Costume: 1480 - 1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson) but it's obviously not French or English. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 19:07:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9074kN009865 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:07:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB90662L029181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB905v2s000502; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB905pUa000394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB900xTA019919 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:00:59 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:00:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41B796DA.4070108@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:05:46 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Althea Turner wrote: > Greetings all, > I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line > source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress ball > on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want dark green > with rhinestones. I had to search to know what it was, here's a link with pictures for other readers: http://www.hatboxhats.com/veil_facts_content.html Anyway, Althea, is it dyeable? Then you could stick on the rhinestones yourself. Or maybe searching on "french net" would get you precolored. Cool idea. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Sweating would purge his body of whatever caused his headaches, nausea, and vertigo. From time to time, he would stop and refresh himself by drinking a glass of elemental mercury. -- _Quicksilver_ by Neal Stephenson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 19:26:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB90QpVd010025 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB90Q22L001177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB90PwG8016292; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB90PoK9016126 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB90Pj704545 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:25:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:24:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <41B796DA.4070108@thibault.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks!! heh, it's not my idea. I saw it on the Victoria's Secret advert. *laughs* Althea On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 04:05 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Althea Turner wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line >> source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress >> ball on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want >> dark green with rhinestones. > > I had to search to know what it was, here's a link with pictures for > other readers: http://www.hatboxhats.com/veil_facts_content.html > > Anyway, Althea, is it dyeable? Then you could stick on the > rhinestones yourself. Or maybe searching on "french net" would get > you precolored. Cool idea. > > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Sweating would purge his body of whatever caused his headaches, > nausea, and vertigo. From time to time, he would stop and refresh > himself by drinking a glass of elemental mercury. -- _Quicksilver_ by > Neal Stephenson > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 21:58:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB92wTxN011394 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB92vU2L014829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:57:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB92v75H014020; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB92uxRH013920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB942UJG006141 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:02:30 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]searching for Books ( was: early-mid 1500s??) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:14:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41B5F794.4070201@reddawn.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20041208002755.02b9b6e0@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041208002755.02b9b6e0@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 08 December 2004 3:28 am, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 09:04 PM 12/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Addall.com has a feature that will let you run the addall search you just > > did on EBay. It only works on some browsers (or on some browser > > settings--I think I can't use it at home because of my security > > settings). I use the prices I get on addall as a guide when I go > > shopping for used costume books on Ebay. > > Hi Cathy, > > Thanks so much for sharing this site. You're welcome. It's my very favorite website for books. I'm constantly surprised that more people don't seem to have heard of it. > I really like the comparison features > it offers, including descriptors. Very handy site. Did you notice this feature? You can search on addall.com for new books, too. If you locate the book (and unless publication has been held up or your information on it is wrong, you will), you can click on the title, and it will give you a list of all the websites where you can buy it, arranged in decending order by price--including shipping costs. I like to use this feature to decide where I'm going to buy a new book I know that I want but that's very expensive. By the way, "new" for this purpose doesn't need to mean just hitting the bookstores. If the book is still in print, you can probably get comparative prices by doing a "new" book search for it. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 8 22:08:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB938Stp011456 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:08:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB937J2L015794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB936hOD019454; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:07:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB931K3t016351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB946qLm006312 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:18:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41b5f517.1b4c.0@pcez.com> <200412072155.04439.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412082218.44775.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 08 December 2004 1:49 am, Chris Laning wrote: > At 9:55 PM -0500 12/7/04, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: [snip] > >I'm told the definitive book on medieval jewelry in question is Medieval > >Jewellery, by Ronald Lightbown, but I've never been fortunate enough to > >locate a copy. > > It is. It's huge, lovely, and incredibly expensive. It was $200 when > it was (too briefly) in print, and immediately shot up to $500-600 as > soon as it went out of print. Fortunately, my local university > library has a copy. Fifteen years ago, before I knew enough about historic costume to appreciate how hard it would be to get Lightbown's book, I had a chance to buy it from Edward R. Hamilton booksellers for some ridiculous price that , though low, looked like more than I was willing to pay at the time (around $50-$75, I think). ERH generally sells remaindered books; I imagine this was right before it went out of print. Thanks for the quotes. Now that I want the book, I've yet to find a used copy anywhere, and I doubt I'd get to finish reading it in the time I'd be allowed to keep it on interlibrary loan. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 00:20:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB95KM21012375 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB95G52L025614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB95FrcI099323; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB95FpkI099268 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.117]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041209051547.HODS1542.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00b301c4ddae$69469d60$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:17:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fancy Dress for a ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Found this while looking for something else, I thought others would enjoy it: http://lafayette.150m.com/ple1598b.html The descriptions of the colors sound loverly. :-) Sheridan ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The wind riz and then it blew, the rain friz and then it snew. Spring has sprung, the grass is riz, I wonder where the flowers is. Spring has sprung, fall has fell, winter's here and it's cold as heck. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 02:08:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB978nNH015709 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:08:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB97832L002691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB977qO2062947; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB977pmg062791 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:07:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 14773 invoked by uid 16115); 9 Dec 2004 02:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.116.212]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Dec 2004 02:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <41B7BCF9.5000004@misc.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:48:25 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi there, Althea- Had this lurking in my bookmarks: http://www.judithm.com/shop/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=4108&category_id=688e916ae8116e24e22b3ea83ecaab4a& Hunter green russian veiling...tacking on the rhinestones might have to happen after-market though!! Good luck, Theresa Eacker Althea Turner wrote: > Greetings all, > I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line > source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress ball > on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want dark green > with rhinestones. > > Any ideas? thank you! > > Althea Turner > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 03:33:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB98XRrJ012964 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB98Wb2L007102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:32:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB98WRZY011764; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB98WQ7T011698 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freyalynn@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29222 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2004 08:32:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=J61tiJLDpiZ6U9E2UO98gs2oAVterCdhkfR2rYTrwgqEFB3ogssbtcAOO3H+i+C7FYAMvbXuHuW17S/+vjfFkrw1ekCBxhoBuj7EQRisR8uE+amy0I5nBU2vfyP1Zce9484UGoeahxOElU0jGVGSyV7fVozFp5APHyZ1YtWRPD0= ; Message-ID: <20041209083220.29220.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.168.167] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:32:20 PST Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200412081905.iB8J402V017536@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: North & South X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is why I can't bear to watch such 'dramatizations' - for heaven's sake, the book has been in print for years, it's obviously a good story, why not just do what the book says!! If you're going to re-tell it from a modern viewpoint, what's the point of pretending to do the authentic fancy dress. And did you notice that the poor downtrodden masses at t'mill were, without exception, all in muddy grey and brown. Not a trace of colour, or even white. Standard peasant costume... And the snow wasn't even realistic - not for England. I girded my loins to watch the last episode, and ended up shouting at the screen for the snog at the station scene. Freyalyn, frustrated --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 03:45:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB98j6Xt014322 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:45:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB98iE2L007555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:44:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB98iBtP017989; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB98i9gR017921 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004120908440401200bshf2e>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:44:04 +0000 Message-ID: <01d001c4ddcb$3c53a1f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b301c4ddae$69469d60$cb6afea9@sherry> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fancy Dress for a ball Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:44:03 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sheridan, I have always loved this website. It used to be at Geocities and it would shut down mid-month because of overage of bandwidth usage. It looks like they own their own domain name now, and I hope they have a new website host. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 04:07:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB997179017016 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:07:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB996A2L008458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9965kK029464; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB995wsU029326 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 08:52:16 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041209084724.01497a10@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:52:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: North & South In-Reply-To: <20041209083220.29220.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200412081905.iB8J402V017536@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:32 09/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >This is why I can't bear to watch such 'dramatizations' - for heaven's >sake, the book has been in print for years, it's obviously a good story, >why not just do what the book says!! If you're going to re-tell it from a >modern viewpoint, what's the point of pretending to do the authentic fancy >dress. > >And did you notice that the poor downtrodden masses at t'mill were, >without exception, all in muddy grey and brown. Not a trace of colour, or >even white. Standard peasant costume... > >And the snow wasn't even realistic - not for England. > >I girded my loins to watch the last episode, and ended up shouting at the >screen for the snog at the station scene. I have just read the end of the story in the book, and a few odd bits here and there - it is on my "to read" pile at the side of the bed!! Well, I had not realised how much things had been changed - if I had not read it, I would have been surprised at some of the gaffes - now I have read bits, I am astonished by the alterations!! I will not comment more, as I don't want to "spoil" things for those of you who may not know the story, and wish to see the TV version for yourselves. I think the "greying" of Milton was a designer idea - as were all the clothes - pity, as it could have been very good. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 04:17:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB99HAlf018497 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB99GN2L009036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:16:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB99GKtF034929; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB99GHRZ034857 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004120909161101100ddnhve>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:16:11 +0000 Message-ID: <01d901c4ddcf$b953c460$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:16:10 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] We are back up and happy again! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iB99HAlf018497 Status: RO YIPPEEE!!!!!!!! I am so thrilled! Susan and I moved all of my websites this past week... over 7,000 webpages and we don't even want to venture a guess at how many images. We also have a new domain name for the Library, costumelibrary.com . If you are linked to the front page of our Library, please change it when you have a chance. Because so many people are linked to the old front page, we will keep it active. All our other Library URLs stayed the same. We are now on a managed server all our own. It has so many features that we are having fun with. We also has the fastest servers on the web... meaning the up load time for webpages is super fast. We have 500 gigs of bandwidth and 150 gigs of space... lots of room to grow. I am really thrilled with the online database service. Now I can start data entries for our Costume Encyclopedia. The package also included a database for our subscribers for the Library Newsletter... and templates for newsletters. Between Jan. 1-15, we will be adding a new piece of software that our Library subscribers and Classroom students will be able to manage their own accounts and have a unique password for everything. This is our normally when we don't have classes on-going in the Classroom. It will be a good time to add the new software. In Sept. while I was in England, Hurricane Ivan directly hit the business that was hosting my website. What a mess I came home to. When the sites came back up, the business sold our servers to a company in Tenn. What a nightmare! The TN company didn't know a thing about the type of servers we had. The sites would go up and down, passwords worked and then would go down. After the sites went down during all of Halloween weekend, I had enough! Those three days are generally my websites busiest days of the year. Again, I was out of town at the VA Theater Convention when this happened. When I returned from the trip, I went straight into designing costumes for 41 characters for West Side Story. Lets just say it was the best time for the sites to be having trouble!!!! How embarrassing! The sites going up and down was when the article about our online classes was in Threads magazine. Our new server guarantees to be up 99.9% of the time. LOL!!! They have a photo online of all the generators they have. Also they are not in hurricane territory.... my first question when interviewing them. They are a large company and have wonderful tech support that answers the phone quickly. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 06:13:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9BDlPx019267 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:13:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9BCu2L016612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9BCjpL096499; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9BCcBH096293 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iB9BCK204317.; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:12:20 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:12:20 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:11:50 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBC "North and South" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 08/12/2004 22:25:19 >>> >Does anyone know the book? While I, too, thought the snogging was >way out of order, I was interested that they actually met on passing >trains like that - it must be a pretty early example, if that's what >happens in the book? It's a long time since I read it, and I'd forgotten the details, but I've just retrieved a copy off the library shelf and, no, they don't meet like that and the reconciliation scene happens in private. It's understandable that the working out of the story has to be simplified for TV, but they might have tried to make the characters' behaviour plausible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 06:59:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Bx4T9004631 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9Bvp2L018600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:57:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9BvjxF021591; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Bvhit021571 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CcMvX-0002h3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:57:43 -0800 Message-ID: <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:57:57 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On page 77 of POF 3, Arnold talks about a guy being hauled before the court for wearing Bayes stuffed in his breeches. Anyone know what it is and why it would be capitalized (and outlawed for that matter)? Saragrace > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 07:14:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9CEEKE009226 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:14:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9CDN2L019698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:13:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9CD7qE030243; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:13:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB9CCoV6030033 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 12:12:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041209120506.01497a10@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:12:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches? In-Reply-To: <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:57 09/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >On page 77 of POF 3, Arnold talks about a guy being hauled before the >court for wearing Bayes stuffed in his breeches. > >Anyone know what it is and why it would be capitalized (and outlawed for >that matter)? Baize, modern spelling, is a "woollen stuff", now used for things like billiard tables etc. *Then" it was used for stuffing the breeches, and the man was probably going against the sumptuary laws - the baize would not have been a problem, the amount of stuffing could have been. Nouns were frequently capitalized - there is nothing special about bayes to make it so. Many handwritten letters, even up to the Second World War, can be found with capitals all over - Only using them for beginnings of sentences, proper names and "I" is only a comparatively modern thing that came along with standardised spelling - and that is still not standard between England and the U.S., in spite of the fact that, theoretically, we use the same language!! (My spell checker thinks there should be a "z" instead of an "s" in standardised, for example.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 07:20:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9CKCJA009262 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9CJK2L020069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9CJGZD033499; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB9CJ95r033380 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21684 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2004 12:19:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20041209121902.21682.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.137.25] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:19:02 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:19:02 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked Frau wrote:On page 77 of POF 3, Arnold talks about a guy being hauled before the court for wearing Bayes stuffed in his breeches. Anyone know what it is and why it would be capitalized (and outlawed for that matter)? Saragrace Puzzling! I wonder if "Bayes" is a misprint for "brayes" or "braies". But then, - on reflection, that cannot be right because his "braies" should be inside his breeches/hosen, anyway. I also hope that someone will be able to enlighten us. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, late-medieval Re-enactor. Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 08:16:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9DGrbW010640 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9DFw2L023105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:15:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9DFl4J065712; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9DFiVh065618 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AFF72A9A009A; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:15:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.114 ([209.131.81.114] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 9 Dec 04 13:15:34 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:16:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0450-0, 12/06/2004), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Althea, I have a bolt piece of black net (tulle?) that is flocked with teal/ turquoise shiny stuff. Would a piece of this do? It is probably from the 1950/60's. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" To: "Costume Historical" Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Russian net > Greetings all, > I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line > source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress ball > on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want dark > green with rhinestones. > > Any ideas? thank you! > > Althea Turner > *** althea@alfalfapress.com > *** http://www.alfalfapress.com > > I think, therefore I'm dangerous. > > I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 08:40:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Dejk0010939 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:40:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9Ddt2L024401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:39:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9DdqP5079473; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB9Ddpk4079388 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2004120908394230253 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:39:42 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id iB9DdexX014749 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:39:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012201c4ddf4$97c2c7e0$47a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041209121902.21682.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:39:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know it's early AM, but my first picture in my mind, what with the capital "B", made me think of a person....yes he would get hauled before the court with a person stuffed in his breeches. KmP ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian wilson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches? > Wicked Frau wrote:On page 77 of POF 3, Arnold > talks about a guy being hauled before the > court for wearing Bayes stuffed in his breeches. > > Anyone know what it is and why it would be capitalized (and outlawed for > that matter)? > > Saragrace > > > Puzzling! I wonder if "Bayes" is a misprint for "brayes" or "braies". But > then, - on reflection, that cannot be right because his "braies" should be > inside his breeches/hosen, anyway. > I also hope that someone will be able to enlighten us. > > > > > > > Yours in service, > Julian Wilson, > late-medieval Re-enactor. > Historian and Master Artisan to > "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", > in "olde" Jersey > > --------------------------------- > Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 09:08:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9E80YP011352 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:08:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9E742L026561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:07:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9E6uU0096820; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9E6jnQ096694 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iB9E6g226451.; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:06:43 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:06:42 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:06:19 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> suzi@suziclarke.co.uk 09/12/2004 12:12:45 >>> >Baize, modern spelling, is a "woollen stuff", now used for things like >billiard tables etc. *Then" it was used for stuffing the breeches, and >the man was probably going against the sumptuary laws - the baize >would not have been a problem, the amount of stuffing could have >been. Nouns were frequently capitalized - there is nothing special >about bayes to make it so. Many handwritten letters, even up to the >Second World War, can be found with capitals all over - Only using >them for beginnings of sentences, proper names and "I" is only a >comparatively modern thing that came along with standardised >spelling . Colchester, in Essex, was famous for making "bays and says" (two types of woollen cloth). I would say that capitalisation of nouns died out well after spelling had become standardised - and, of course, it's still correct usage in German. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 09:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9ErBfi012552 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:53:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9ElI2L029375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:47:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9El8s6024486; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9El2bS024338 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.13]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 002932628A4 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:46:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c4ddfd$fa0d0c40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:47:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/621/Tue Dec 7 05:55:16 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Althea, I didnt know what it was you were looking for, but followed the link. This is also known of bobbin lace makeres as point d'esprit. In english tallie ground. If you know how to make bobbin lace, it is very easy to make, but the tallies, or e'sprit's are a little tricky to make. Let me know if you make bobbin lace, and i would send you directions how to make it!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net > Thanks!! > > heh, it's not my idea. I saw it on the Victoria's Secret advert. > *laughs* > > Althea > > On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 04:05 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > >> Althea Turner wrote: >> >>> Greetings all, >>> I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line >>> source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress ball >>> on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want dark green >>> with rhinestones. >> >> I had to search to know what it was, here's a link with pictures for >> other readers: http://www.hatboxhats.com/veil_facts_content.html >> >> Anyway, Althea, is it dyeable? Then you could stick on the rhinestones >> yourself. Or maybe searching on "french net" would get you precolored. >> Cool idea. >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent >> >> Sweating would purge his body of whatever caused his headaches, nausea, >> and vertigo. From time to time, he would stop and refresh himself by >> drinking a glass of elemental mercury. -- _Quicksilver_ by Neal >> Stephenson >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > Althea Turner > *** althea@alfalfapress.com > *** http://www.alfalfapress.com > > I think, therefore I'm dangerous. > > I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 11:41:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Gf7hZ013464 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9GeV2L021878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:40:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9GdrRR008734; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9GdjH9008551 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB9GddK07177 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:39:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:38:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ohhh... I just might.... How much do you want for a bit of it? Thanks! Althea On Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 05:16 AM, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > rmitchell@washjeff.edu Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 11:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Gj48f013504 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:45:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9GiY2L022370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:44:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9GiWNu012659; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Gg0Hb010365 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB9GfsK07787 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:41:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:40:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001701c4ddfd$fa0d0c40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <10523882-4A01-11D9-B4C4-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Bjarne, I would very much like to know how to make it. I have access to bobbin making supplies through a friend who can help with the project. You guys rock! Althea On Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 06:47 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Althea, > I didnt know what it was you were looking for, but followed the link. > This is also known of bobbin lace makeres as point d'esprit. In > english tallie ground. > If you know how to make bobbin lace, it is very easy to make, but the > tallies, or e'sprit's are a little tricky to make. > Let me know if you make bobbin lace, and i would send you directions > how to make it!!! > > Bjarne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:24 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net > > >> Thanks!! >> >> heh, it's not my idea. I saw it on the Victoria's Secret advert. >> *laughs* >> >> Althea >> >> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 04:05 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: >> >>> Althea Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings all, >>>> I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an >>>> on-line source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a >>>> fancy dress ball on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, >>>> but I want dark green with rhinestones. >>> >>> I had to search to know what it was, here's a link with pictures for >>> other readers: http://www.hatboxhats.com/veil_facts_content.html >>> >>> Anyway, Althea, is it dyeable? Then you could stick on the >>> rhinestones yourself. Or maybe searching on "french net" would get >>> you precolored. Cool idea. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent >>> >>> Sweating would purge his body of whatever caused his headaches, >>> nausea, and vertigo. From time to time, he would stop and refresh >>> himself by drinking a glass of elemental mercury. -- _Quicksilver_ >>> by Neal Stephenson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >> Althea Turner >> *** althea@alfalfapress.com >> *** http://www.alfalfapress.com >> >> I think, therefore I'm dangerous. >> >> I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 11:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Gj5Ss013507 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:45:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9GiP2L022342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9GiN5K012549; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9GeNqC008986 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB9GeHK07412 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:40:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:39:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian net Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <41B7BCF9.5000004@misc.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Coolio! Thanks! This looks to be an ev-il (tm) place. :D Althea On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 06:48 PM, Theresa Eacker wrote: > Hi there, Althea- > > Had this lurking in my bookmarks: > > http://www.judithm.com/shop/?page=shop/ > flypage&product_id=4108&category_id=688e916ae8116e24e22b3ea83ecaab4a& > > Hunter green russian veiling...tacking on the rhinestones might have > to happen after-market though!! > > Good luck, > > Theresa Eacker > > Althea Turner wrote: >> Greetings all, >> I am looking for direction on how to make Russian net. (or an on-line >> source) I want to use the net in lieu of a mask for a fancy dress >> ball on New Year's. I have found it in white or ivory, but I want >> dark green with rhinestones. >> Any ideas? thank you! >> Althea Turner >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 12:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9HB3Bo013724 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:11:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9H9w2L025657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9H9RwK035083; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11702.mail.yahoo.com (web11702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB9H8Iqf033756 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23568 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2004 17:08:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 12:51:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9HpMq4014094 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:51:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9HjS5A029635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:50:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9HdHRx059963; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9HdEgB059686 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C6B3F1ECCDD; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:39:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust229.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.229]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF08E1ECCA0 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:39:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <137b01c4de16$09e70b80$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03613E0F@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:39:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > ... My favorite book for > this time-period has been mentioned before > ( _Hispanic Costume: 1480 - 1530_ by Ruth M. > Anderson) but it's obviously not French or English. > -sunny Ooo, never heard of this (I must have missed the previous post) and I'd love to have this--I think. Any chance of a brief review/description, and an ISBN, if easily accessible? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 13:23:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9INGtI014316 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:23:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9ILT2L004180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:21:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9ILMXX095022; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9ILJfm094879 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2102720 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:21:14 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:21:13 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] La Mode Bagatelle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Forwarding the forwarded message: Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:33:14 -0000 From: "Julie Zetterberg Sardo" Subject: 'La Mode Bagatelle' Closing ----- To all those who like to make historical costumes: After many years of great service, the pattern resources of the ladies of "La Mode Bagatelle" are coming to an end. They will be going out of business as of the end of this month, December 31st, and will no longer be able to supply their wonderful patterns and books to the costumers of the world. If you, or anyone you know, has an interest in sewing historically authentic costumes, please check out their website at http://www.lamodebagatelle.com/. They have an order form on the site, and while they don't take online orders, you can fax or mail orders to them. I encourage you to look at their patterns; they are unusually complete, helpful and easy to use. Get them before it's too late! ----- I've never used their patterns, I've no commercial interest in the company, but I thought that many people on this list would be interested in this news. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 16:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9LhkXa015807 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:43:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9LgL2L005128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Lfe0o065406; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9LfJ6x064998 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.148] (pm5-148.eos.net [205.133.149.148]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9Lf3Mi025631 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:41:04 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:36:25 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200412091902.iB9J2k82028260@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regency house party question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to bother the list, please reply privately if you think it is of no interest to anyone... Regency House Party was finally on here last month. I watched parts of it and found it rather dull -- what awful people! -- even if everyone did look gorgeous. But I missed the last episode. I just tried looking up websites for it, but nothing will come in (must be a bad day for my internet service). Will someone tell me what happened at the end? Did anyone actually pair up? I didn't learn anything at all about the era, but it didn't seem to be that sort of show. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 17:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MO36d016162 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9MMI2L018460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MMFci099064; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB9MM9B2098906 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 9762 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 22:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.1.41) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 22:22:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:27:52 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] La Mode Bagatelle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <90F534AF-4A31-11D9-99EF-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a Regency Wardrobe La Mode BAgatelle pattern on ebay at the moment - will be finishing in an hour or so. Its at http://snipurl.com/b916 Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.earthlydelights.com.au > > > Forwarding the forwarded message: > > > Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:33:14 -0000 > From: "Julie Zetterberg Sardo" > Subject: 'La Mode Bagatelle' Closing > > > ----- > > To all those who like to make historical costumes: > > After many years of great service, the pattern resources of the > ladies of "La Mode Bagatelle" are coming to an end. They will be > going out of business as of the end of this month, December 31st, and > will no longer be able to supply their wonderful patterns and books > to the costumers of the world. If you, or anyone you know, has an > interest in sewing historically authentic costumes, please check out > their website at http://www.lamodebagatelle.com/. They have an order > form on the site, and while they don't take online orders, you can > fax or mail orders to them. I encourage you to look at their > patterns; they are unusually complete, helpful and easy to use. Get > them before it's too late! > > ----- > I've never used their patterns, I've no commercial interest in the > company, > but I thought that many people on this list would be interested in this > news. > > LynnD > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 17:26:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MQPIq016204 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:26:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9MPF2L019439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MPDSo001541; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iB9MOMVc000865 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 24716 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.1.41) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 22:23:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:29:47 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency house party question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's been some discussion of this production on the Real Regency list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Real_Regency/ Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.earthlydelights.com.au On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Sorry to bother the list, please reply privately if you think it is of > no > interest to anyone... > > Regency House Party was finally on here last month. I watched parts of > it > and found it rather dull -- what awful people! -- even if everyone did > look > gorgeous. But I missed the last episode. I just tried looking up > websites > for it, but nothing will come in (must be a bad day for my internet > service). Will someone tell me what happened at the end? Did anyone > actually > pair up? > > I didn't learn anything at all about the era, but it didn't seem to be > that > sort of show. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 17:28:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MSrxg016236 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:28:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9MRu2L020291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:27:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MRrF3003682; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MRdUv003516 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so915791rne for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:27:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pnWFlRPCaEnIMzhZXhEpVGqwFz3hJykSgDMFFKUkSG1VbNfKMG/GF95r9BMSeBTYy5oiGZsinIDdqjPRGsj27IO73v92F2zddYNUCl1E8P91FbVLuo7oMMIJEf8xnzoKXoBVQ7VK/bLYo6ANz1ynBmqnvDLogJyi1WWhbvOKywc= Received: by 10.38.71.51 with SMTP id t51mr835481rna; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.3 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:27:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc804120914275d4f87eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:27:38 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency house party question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412091902.iB9J2k82028260@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The one big thing was that the hostess managed to talk all the other chaperones into leaving early. She then threw a masque in the woods and among other things the master of the house wound up in bed with the countess. -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori Period Patterns! http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:36:25 -0500, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Sorry to bother the list, please reply privately if you think it is of no > interest to anyone... > > Regency House Party was finally on here last month. I watched parts of it > and found it rather dull -- what awful people! -- even if everyone did look > gorgeous. But I missed the last episode. I just tried looking up websites > for it, but nothing will come in (must be a bad day for my internet > service). Will someone tell me what happened at the end? Did anyone actually > pair up? > > I didn't learn anything at all about the era, but it didn't seem to be that > sort of show. > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 17:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MnvON016373 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:49:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9Mml2L026053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:48:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MmcLO020086; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MmXEN019997 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I8H00EW78OVDB@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:48:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:48:52 -0500 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41B8D654.2000901@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all. I am writing on behaft of a friend who is writing a book/historical novel around Anne Bradstreet who lived 1612-1672. She was born in Northampton England, then moved to the Mass. Bay Colonys in the 1620s. She was a fairly prominent Puritan writer, and those of you from the US probably had to read some of her poems in highschool or if you are not sure, here is a link to more about her ( http://www.nagasaki-gaigo.ac.jp/ishikawa/amlit/b/bradstreet1718.htm ). Anyway, I showed her Drea Leed's excelent site, and she was wondering if there are any good web or book resoses that would focus on early 17th cent. or might focus on something about that would be useful to her? I have often talked about how cool this list is, so i am hoping to have lots directions to point her in. Hard to find books are NO problem for her as she is doing most of her research at the main NY Public Research Library and is in heven about all that is availible. she is just a lttle overwhelmed and wants something farily specific without having to wade though thosands of books. Thanks for all you time and thinking (in advance) Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 18:00:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9N0YnM016461 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:00:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9Mxf2L027655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:59:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MxZHf028512; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9MtTp3025516 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from pf-enccos5.cos.agilent.com (enccos5.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.94]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C93255F9 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from enccos5.cos.agilent.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 547E7C0C7 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (130.29.152.237) by enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 7705950; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:55:29 -0700 Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4B967 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:55:28 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:55:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:55:27 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03614127@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 937 Thread-Index: AcTeIyz3fAwGPGr7RbGOe9UGPUyo6AAG8deA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2004 22:55:28.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D54B370:01C4DE42] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iB9MtTp3025516 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ooo, never heard of this (I must have missed the previous > post) and I'd love > to have this--I think. Any chance of a brief > review/description, and an > ISBN, if easily accessible? The IBSN is 0875351263 . Amazon currently has new copies (re-printed) for $29 (no, I have no association with Amazon, other then giving them a sizable chunk of my paycheck every month :-) ). My mother has the original printing, and I have the re-print, and I can't tell the difference between the two, despite the more then ten-year gap between issues. _Hispanic Costume: 1480 - 1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson only covers Spanish and Portuguese fashion (as the title may suggest). It's roughly split in half -- one half covering male dress and the other half covering female dress. Within each gender there is a long section on "occasions for men/women to wear fancy dress" -- this is mostly from a royal perspective, as the royal wardrobe accounts are some of the main written sources Anderson uses. The other half of the section covers all the different garments being worn, from hair and headdress, shoes, hose, shirts/shifts/chemises (I forget the Spanish term Anderson uses for these) to the main garment, outer garments and jewelry. Most of the pictures in the book are black-and-white, however what I find most wonderful about the organization -- for each section on hair, shoes, shifts, etc. Anderson has detail-pictures from many different paintings/sculpture/prints. So, for women's chemises, she has ~12 different close-ups of how the c! hemise band works and of embellishment on the chemise, so you can see the range of variations. The close-up shots only show the garment being discussed -- so it will cut off the figure's face if it's showing the chemise and only show the feet if the stockings are what is being discussed. In my opinion doing this sort of selective cropping of the art allows you to see much more detail then if you only had a full-page print of the entire painting. (It also makes the text easier to follow, as the close-up pictures are almost always on the same page as the text that refers to them). All of the close-up pictures have dates and attributions, so you know what painting it comes from. I only have two wishes when it comes to this book: 1) color would've been nice (but much more expensive, I expect) and 2) I wish Ms. Anderson had written _more_ books like this! Hope this helps! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 18:03:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9N3Rk8016493 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:03:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9N2Y2L027926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9N2XW3030943; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Mu2Co025870 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED50191EAA for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.36]) by filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23436-10-21 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-208-151.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.208.151]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E8A191EA3 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41B8D7F2.9090405@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:55:46 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03613E0F@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <137b01c4de16$09e70b80$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <137b01c4de16$09e70b80$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sitchers Earrings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://auction.herrschners.com/item.aspx?catId=3&auctionId=4085&sourcecode=88674 Anyone interested in advertising that you sew from your ears? There's about a day and a half left on this auction. Rowena > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 18:42:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9NgOKp016704 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:42:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9NfF2L001588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9NfBCA060534; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9Nf8QN060468 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28181 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:41:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:41:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41B8D654.2000901@optonline.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For Anne Bradstreet, just have your friend go to the NY Public library online catalog and type in Fashion--History--17th century or Costume--History--17th century. Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion: 1550-1620 and Jean Hunnisett'Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800 will be the best guides as to the cut of costume. Also let her know that Puritan costume wasn't all black; far from it. The infamous black we see in portraits was actually the result of an expensive black dye--a rather high status item. The Puritans, especially when they got over this side of the pond, were really big on killing the wear of luxury fabrics and extravagant trimmings, especially by those whose incomes didn't run normally to such things-it does make sense when one is living in the wilderness far from the nearest merchant. I remember a case in the Massachusetts court where a maid servant was not only wearing a silk hood, but wearing it "in a flaunting manner" and dared to wear the said same hood when presented before the magistrates that would judge her. Most of the sumptary laws the Puritans did adopt made sense: a luxury outfit could cost more than a year's wages for most people--kind of like buying a luxury car today when one is making minimum wage or little more. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 19:19:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA0JfuN016832 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:19:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA0Ih2L006159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:18:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA0I8qd085994; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:18:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA0I5Lx085778 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 06B42B9A3; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:18:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust9.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.9]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A5C03B90D for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:17:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <13a201c4de4d$c0c34fd0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03614127@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:17:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! This does help. I went and read the Amazon reviews quickly, as well--I should have realized that I could try to find it there without the ISBN. =} But I'm glad I asked anyway, for your review! One follow-up question, though: is she good about including as much information about the painting--date, location, title, etc--as possible? I have several books that drive me CRAZY on that point; it's not even like the information they left out was hard to find! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 19:47:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA0lJ9F017029 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA0kR2L009849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA0kJQ7003453; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA0kH5v003382 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66A11992 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:46:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041209163838.0252fa90@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:39:16 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03613E0F@wcosmb01.cos.agil ent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBA0kH5v003382 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:11 PM 12/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry for being a bit late on this thread, but I didn't see anyone mention >these books: > >For German my favorite is: _Early German Painting 1350-1550_ by Isolde >Lübbeke (it's not in print, unfortunately) > >For Italian I like: >_Virtue and Beauty : Leonardo's Ginevra de' Benci and Renaissance >Portraits of Women_ (this is in print) >_The Dress of the Venetians, 1495-1525_ by Stella Mary Newton (not really >a picture book...and it doesn't look like it's still in print.) > >I can't think of any that focus specifically on England or France... I >generally hunt-and-peck though lots of books ... My favorite book for this >time-period has been mentioned before ( _Hispanic Costume: 1480 - 1530_ by >Ruth M. Anderson) but it's obviously not French or English. > -sunny Oooh, thanks Sunny for sharing more recommended books. My hubby is so going to hate me. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 21:08:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA28FAE017387 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA27R2L015880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:07:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA27Ft9049856; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA27CVV049822 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-41-042.jps.net ([209.165.41.42]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CcaBb-00047p-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:07:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:21:22 -0800 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Late 13th-14th C. Jewelry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the compliments . Actually http://paternoster-row.org and http://paternosters.home.igc.org/ are the same site: the domain name "paternoster-row.org" is "parked" at Earthlink so I can take advantage of my free webspace there (until I outgrow it anyway). Typing in the paternoster-row address transfers you to "paternosters.home.igc.org", the actual location of the page. Either address works, but if you're passing the link along to others, use http://paternoster-row.org , since hopefully that one will be permanent. And yes, there's also a mailing list (also linked from Paternoster-Row): [PATERNOSTERS] is an e-mail list at Yahoo! Groups for people interested in historical rosaries, paternosters, and other prayer beads. If you re-create, research, collect, or just admire and are interested in the variety of historical rosaries (etc.), you are very welcome to join us! To learn more about the Paternosters group or to subscribe, please visit . Pax et bonum! O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 21:59:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA2xGWd017599 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA2wh2L019298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA2wBSI076893; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:58:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA2w6fL076763 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:58:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.3.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.3] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id iBA2vq3Z015865 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:57:52 +1100 Message-ID: <000401c4de63$e3608a60$0392d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency house party question Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:56:45 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] regency house party question > > Sorry to bother the list, please reply privately if you think it is of no > interest to anyone... > > Regency House Party was finally on here last month. I watched parts of it > and found it rather dull -- what awful people! -- even if everyone did look > gorgeous. But I missed the last episode. I just tried looking up websites > for it, but nothing will come in (must be a bad day for my internet > service). Will someone tell me what happened at the end? Did anyone actually > pair up? > > I didn't learn anything at all about the era, but it didn't seem to be that > sort of show. > > Gail Finke there was a fair amount of pairing up with a maze designed to be walked in pairs Victoria (the heiress with a real northern accent) was still in two minds about her two suitors (she walked through the maze with the singer but ended up leaving the house with the other sorry I can't remember names) Miss Braun? was caught sneaking out of Captain Glover's room in the early hours of the morning after the Masque (that Aylwen mentioned) and the Countess & the host were found in bed together when the footmen came to wake him. the ladies companion & the hermit ended up together er I think that's it. Anyway, here's the official website http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/R/regencyhouse/programme/index.html (the 'are you a regency catch quiz is a lot of fun) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 9 23:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA4wtJx018258 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:58:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA4v32L029868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA4utsH042692; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:56:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA4urhX042650 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:56:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.96]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041210045648.QQEF1542.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:56:48 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01c4de74$cf0991e0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:57:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another Fancy dress for a Ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://lafayette.150m.com/pag1400a.html This is from the same ball as the last one I posted, but read the information about the lady in the picture, she sounds a truly interesting woman. And once again, the gown is simply amazing... Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Thought For The Day: There is a very fine line between 'Hobby' and 'Mental Illness' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 01:07:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA670Pm018677 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:07:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA6632L004936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA65shA078361; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA65WYw078191 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:05:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBA63FN01097 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:03:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41B93DC4.2050406@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:10:12 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A question for Bjarne.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, actually a question for anyone who might happen to know, but Bjarne was the first person I thought of.... Yesterday, I purchased a book on traditional scandinavian knitting. In a way I've found common to books about "traditional" needlework, the author has included some bits of historical info here and there, with proper attribution, but not a lot of detail. *sigh* On page 77, in the section on Danish knitting, is an illustration (small b/w photograph) of a jacket which she notes as: "Although part of the Danish National Museum collection in Copenhagen, this knitted silk jacket was probably imported from England in the seventeenth century. Perhaps woollen jackets were imported as well, but certainly the style was immediately copied in wool and was knitted with remarkable consistency and worn all over Denmark well into the twentieth century." I have no idea what color (or colors) it actually is, but I can tell that it has a brocaded look to it--variations/external design elements look more like texture differences, than color differences, and it closes down the front with hooks and eyes. There is no obvious collar, and the sleeves look to be set in. It looks to be similar in style to the embroidered "Jacobean jackets" seen in some early 17th century paintings (the ones I'm thinking of are all English). So...Bjarne, have you ever seen this jacket? Do you happen to know anything about it? I know that you're generally to be found making clothing from a considerably later time period, but I thought you might have run across this intriguing jacket, especially since you live in Copenhagen.... Thanks to anyone with any info about this! --sue, very curious about knitting these days.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 01:51:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA6pu9Q019006 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:51:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA6p42L006888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA6oxVg001174; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:51:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBA6owxw001113 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:50:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 65457 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2004 06:50:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20041210065053.65455.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:50:53 EST Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian village next week and I thought it would be nifty if she had something that would match my dress. Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 02:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA7AFkb021930 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:10:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA79f2L007734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA79W4a010487; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA79U6Y010472 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-83-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.83.152]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA79cYC010277 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:09:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041209230625.031be210@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:09:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress In-Reply-To: <20041210065053.65455.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of >images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter >time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian >village next week and I thought it would be nifty if >she had something that would match my dress. Short puffed sleeves, Peter Pan collar, gathered skirt, half sash that ties in back. To that you could add a ruffly white sun-bonnet of eyelet lace, and a 3/4-circle cape that comes about down to the child's elbows and which ties shut with ribbons in front. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 02:59:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA7xLTF005427 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA7wF2L010281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA7w9d6035031; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav23.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA7w5gD034945 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:58:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.5.212.46 by BAY7-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:57:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.5.212.46] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041210065053.65455.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:57:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:57:23 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 07:58:00.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7F378A0:01C4DE8D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBA7xLTF005427 Status: RO Kathy, most toddlers we wearing a "boat" neck style dress, either with or without a yoke, short straight sleeves that were really more of a "sleeve cap", and a pleated or gauged (cartridge pleated) skirt that would generally come to the knee or just below (the skirts lengthened as they grew older). For greater wearability, you might consider putting "growth tucks" (horizontal pleats) in the skirt which could be let out later. The dress should fasten in the back with either strings, hooks and eyes, or buttons. I have not yet seen a picture of a child this age wearing any kind of collared dress (in my experience this appears no earlier than approximately age 10 or 12), nor have I seen photographs which included anything but short, straight sleeves on children of this age (again, variations are generally seen after about age 10 or 12). I don't have a scanner, but I do have some original ambrotypes, tintypes and CdVs of small little girls (ages 2-4) from this era. If it would be helpful, I'd be glad to photograph them and send the files to you directly, as I'm not sure the list allows attachments. Let me know, and I'll dig out the cases from my display box that I take around to the schools. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian village next week and I thought it would be nifty if she had something that would match my dress. Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 04:09:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA99JpL022439 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:09:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA98Q2L013594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA97u68068659; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBA97nsG068563 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 09:07:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041210090425.015a89d8@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:06:51 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress In-Reply-To: <20041210065053.65455.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:50 10/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of >images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter >time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian >village next week and I thought it would be nifty if >she had something that would match my dress. I have sent you a fashion plate privately. If anyone else wants a copy, please ask. It is of five girls, at varying ages, including a toddler, 1863. I have others, if anyone is interested. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 04:19:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA9IxQs024400 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:18:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA9IF2L014081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA9IB7u073891; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA9I0TW073487 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBA9Hp216814.; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:51 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:51 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:17 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency house party question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I too missed most of the last episode when this was shown in the UK. The episode was shown at a much earlier time than the rest of the series, without warning, and I only caught it by accident half way through (not that I had seen all the previous ones). I remember that I liked the way the master of the house said goodbye to the servants with genuine warmth. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 04:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA9TDUk029064 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:29:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA9SV2L014655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:28:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA9SRa4079203; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBA9SN79079163 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBA9SM218087.; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:28:22 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:28:22 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:27:55 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Jordana, Although early 17th century is a very popular period for reenactment in the UK, there doesn't seem to be anything like as much on the Web as there is for the 16th century. http://www.vincents.demon.co.uk/stays/ is a website from a member of my own society. http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/17thlinks.htm has a lot of info. including Wenceslas Hollar's famous engravings of women's costume. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 05:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAAFbuc009843 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:15:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAAEg2L016839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:14:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAAEZQo002562; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAAEXCE002487 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ADB33991 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 627223398F for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:14:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002b01c4dea0$fd5116a0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200412100612.iBA6BvUJ081490@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:10:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: La Mode Bagatelle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We have La Mode Bagatelle patterns in stock and will be ordering more before they close. They can be found at: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_19.html It is my understanding from the owners there is the possibility the stock may be sold off to another company who will retail/wholesale. But that's just a possibility at this point. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 08:54:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADsMfM014832 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:54:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBADmT2L006186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:48:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADmG4F019033; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADmD2q018918 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9132B3C0052; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:48:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 10 Dec 04 13:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <007201c4debe$f07ea280$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041210065053.65455.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:48:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0450-1, 12/09/2004), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Estelle Worrel's book on children's costume has a nice section for this period. She usually talks about the whole spectrum of costume re class. I have found this book to be a good visual source. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress Kathy, most toddlers we wearing a "boat" neck style dress, either with or without a yoke, short straight sleeves that were really more of a "sleeve cap", and a pleated or gauged (cartridge pleated) skirt that would generally come to the knee or just below (the skirts lengthened as they grew older). For greater wearability, you might consider putting "growth tucks" (horizontal pleats) in the skirt which could be let out later. The dress should fasten in the back with either strings, hooks and eyes, or buttons. I have not yet seen a picture of a child this age wearing any kind of collared dress (in my experience this appears no earlier than approximately age 10 or 12), nor have I seen photographs which included anything but short, straight sleeves on children of this age (again, variations are generally seen after about age 10 or 12). I don't have a scanner, but I do have some original ambrotypes, tintypes and CdVs of small little girls (ages 2-4) from this era. If it would be helpful, I'd be glad to photograph them and send the files to you directly, as I'm not sure the list allows attachments. Let me know, and I'll dig out the cases from my display box that I take around to the schools. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian village next week and I thought it would be nifty if she had something that would match my dress. Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 08:55:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADtJxR014839 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:55:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBADsR2L007626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADsORn022947; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:54:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADrsLX022607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBADn2TA008149 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:49:02 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:49:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41B9AA70.3020406@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:53:52 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer: Another Fancy dress for a Ball References: <004c01c4de74$cf0991e0$cb6afea9@sherry> In-Reply-To: <004c01c4de74$cf0991e0$cb6afea9@sherry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Shane & Sheridan wrote: > http://lafayette.150m.com/pag1400a.html Bummer; I just went there and instead recieved this error message: "This site has exceeded its limit of 5 Gigabytes of transfer for the month. You may buy extra Gigabytes of transfer by logging in to the user menu and choosing "upgrade". " Too much interest, I suppose! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Sweating would purge his body of whatever caused his headaches, nausea, and vertigo. From time to time, he would stop and refresh himself by drinking a glass of elemental mercury. -- _Quicksilver_ by Neal Stephenson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 08:59:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADxMrK014858 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:59:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBADwb2L008607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:58:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBADwZ2J025263; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBADwYMI025175 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail13.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.153]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA5VL5XABD224A for (sender ); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:58:13 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCh4fIP6hZEAJZw9oEQ1BQw2fh/7Ml0VDHA== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail13.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KEHBDJ22; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:57:29 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail13.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:57:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:57:25 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041210.055729.4468.165067@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:2858939360 X-MAIL-INFO: 38dd1138f8dcdc28dcc9e94dd138b57119dcd98cb5f1c8c54800b51cc5d5e89c4d6cf149e8ec6c39551c6ce9d5a1fc35fce52d01196dfc00e100b121295c011d212c6ddd01e12c98398d2c815841cd71cd85bc28357ccd1138113d9dad5d28a99ddc7c0d2838dc4dd9c14888e5dd71b59cc915684d6dc8e8892968696cf1b1a5493949e19958e199cd3d99cd3db1acd51979ec657c65080c1d6dbd654c85dd183818dc6148dc61c98861c9adf168b5914d159189894dc515c5c505bcdc7cc9cc55acece9b1ecd5d5e9fcb1fc X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Simplicity has recently come out with two new American Civil War patterns for little girls. To my semi-educated eyes the look pretty good, but I'm certainly willing to defer to more knowledgeable folks. Karen -- Kathy Page wrote: I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian village next week and I thought it would be nifty if she had something that would match my dress. Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 09:04:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAE4pb9014890 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:04:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAE4B2L009778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAE47uc028583; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAE45sQ028564 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CclNN-0000Xl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:04:05 -0800 Message-ID: <41B9ACE6.1040801@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:04:22 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks all for the help on Bayes... Here are two more, but now it is just the pronunciation: I have checked both of these out in several dictionaries with mixed results. (I have listed several here for reference) TULLE: I have always heard this pronounced to rhyme with "hull" (like the ship). Most pronounce it like tool. I understand that it is named after a town in France: This dictionary pronunciation almost sounds like "teeyou" or "tiu" *http://tinyurl.com/5umqr* CHEMISE: I have always heard this pronounced shemee or shemeeze.....is the harder s sound shemeese just an anglicized version? *http://tinyurl.com/4h67c* As always, interested in your insights. Saragrace ** > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 09:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAENT73015003 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:23:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAEMd2L012449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:22:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAEMYTv040772; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBAEMRAE040598 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 14:22:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041210141800.01498218@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:22:38 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise In-Reply-To: <41B9ACE6.1040801@earthlink.net> References: <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245> <41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:04 10/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks all for the help on Bayes... > >Here are two more, but now it is just the pronunciation: > >I have checked both of these out in several dictionaries with mixed >results. (I have listed several here for reference) > >TULLE: I have always heard this pronounced to rhyme with "hull" (like >the ship). Most pronounce it like tool. I understand that it is named >after a town in France: This dictionary pronunciation almost sounds like >"teeyou" or "tiu" *http://tinyurl.com/5umqr* Here we pronounce it either "tool" or "tyule" - I have heard both in the shop where I buy it!! >CHEMISE: I have always heard this pronounced shemee or shemeeze.....is >the harder s sound shemeese just an anglicized version? >*http://tinyurl.com/4h67c* I feel this is a matter of choice rather than definitive pronunciation. I use either or both with no rhyme or reason, although I think I veer towards "chumeeze"! (Saves problems if you say "shift" ) (Mind you chemisette (shemizett) confuses the issue!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 09:53:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAErAJu015214 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAEq62L014339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAEpvnI059666; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAEpoLX059574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBAEpkRF026734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:51:46 -0500 Message-ID: <41B9B802.3090906@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:51:46 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress References: <4.3.1.2.20041209230625.031be210@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20041209230625.031be210@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >> I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of >> images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter >> time. > I don't have any for 1864, but a couple from 1855-59 if that would help. http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/fashion/index.html - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 10:02:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF2MNZ015304 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAF1T2L014954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:01:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF1K16066013; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:01:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF1HIv065826 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:01:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7befc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.252]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E90E5EE050 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:01:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c4dec9$26e60ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41B93DC4.2050406@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A question for Bjarne.... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:01:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Sue, I am not sure if i know this one. I know of a knitted jacket wich was wrapped on a baby in a royal burrial at Roskilde Cathedral. It was red with gold thread knitted in a pattern. You could read about this one i know of in a book called "Fru Kirstens Børn." " Misses Kirsten's Children". She was married to King Christian IV and had some small children that died in 1620ies, and was burried at Roskilde Cathedral The coiffins needed to be restored, and the bodies were examined. The knitted jacket was ment for an adult, but the child was wrapped in this one. Perhaps it had belonged to Kirsten Munk (Kirstine Munk) as here real name was. (I dont like they make the names different in our time, they should use the old names..........) But i dont think this could be the same knit because the one i am talking about was burried with the child again, after they had finished the restoration of the coiffins. I have never seen it on a museum, only read about it in this book. The National Museum do have costumes on a permanent exhibition, but it is not there.............. Sorry Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] A question for Bjarne.... > Well, actually a question for anyone who might happen to know, but Bjarne > was the first person I thought of.... > Yesterday, I purchased a book on traditional scandinavian knitting. In a > way I've found common to books about "traditional" needlework, the author > has included some bits of historical info here and there, with proper > attribution, but not a lot of detail. *sigh* > On page 77, in the section on Danish knitting, is an illustration (small > b/w photograph) of a jacket which she notes as: > "Although part of the Danish National Museum collection in Copenhagen, > this knitted silk jacket was probably imported from England in the > seventeenth century. Perhaps woollen jackets were imported as well, but > certainly the style was immediately copied in wool and was knitted with > remarkable consistency and worn all over Denmark well into the twentieth > century." > I have no idea what color (or colors) it actually is, but I can tell that > it has a brocaded look to it--variations/external design elements look > more like texture differences, than color differences, and it closes down > the front with hooks and eyes. There is no obvious collar, and the sleeves > look to be set in. It looks to be similar in style to the embroidered > "Jacobean jackets" seen in some early 17th century paintings (the ones I'm > thinking of are all English). > So...Bjarne, have you ever seen this jacket? Do you happen to know > anything about it? I know that you're generally to be found making > clothing from a considerably later time period, but I thought you might > have run across this intriguing jacket, especially since you live in > Copenhagen.... > Thanks to anyone with any info about this! > --sue, very curious about knitting these days.... > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 10:09:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF9X5D015356 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAF8n2L015573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF8eOO071133; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF8b5g070961 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBAF8P227225.; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:08:25 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:08:24 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:08:14 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The French "u" as in "tulle" or "debut" is a distinctive sound (like the German u-with-umlaut), which many English speakers have difficulty with. "Tiu" is a rough approximation. Chemise (=shirt in modern French) is pronounced "shemeeze". I've heard of "shemee" being used colloquially in the 19th century, perhaps from the mistaken idea that "shemeeze" was plural, in the same way that a chaise (the vehicle) was sometimes called a "shay". Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 10:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFDNjO015390 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:13:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAFCQ2L015944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:12:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFCPma073717; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAF9kXg071915 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7befc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.252]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 312CD47FE3A for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:09:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002b01c4deca$5fc20f50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:10:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most of the sumptary laws the Puritans did adopt made sense: a luxury outfit could cost more than a year's wages for most people--kind of like buying a luxury car today when one is making minimum wage or little more. Cindy Abel Dear Cincy, I am just teasing, but are you aware about how much we pay in taxes for cars in Denmark? If i were to buy a luxury car with my wages, i could easy work for 5 years............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 10:45:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFjQrx015648 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:45:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAFfx3M018549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFWKh2089183; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFWD8X089091 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7befc.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.252]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CD745EE07B for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:32:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00bb01c4decd$82fa24f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <003b01c4da0f$4baefba0$0302a8c0@familyroom> <4.3.1.2.20041203173506.026d70e0@mail.frys.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207010101.02544d50@64.87.54.245> <5.2.1.1.0.20041207134932.02a7ea88@64.87.54.245><41B83DC5.10208@earthlink.net> <41B9ACE6.1040801@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulleand chemise Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:32:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace. Tulle is a lacetown in France. The point ground was invented here, and it got the name Tulle.This is also used a lot for bridal veils. In Denmark the same stuff for bridal veil is called tyl. With this Y that you dont use much the same way we do. It is very difficult to tell you how it should be pronouced, so i will let other do that. Do you know the french word called Chez meaning by or at? Almost like you say chimney, che .........then the s in the last part of the word should be long Chemisssssssssss Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulleand chemise > Thanks all for the help on Bayes... > > Here are two more, but now it is just the pronunciation: > > I have checked both of these out in several dictionaries with mixed > results. (I have listed several here for reference) > > TULLE: I have always heard this pronounced to rhyme with "hull" (like > the ship). Most pronounce it like tool. I understand that it is named > after a town in France: This dictionary pronunciation almost sounds like > "teeyou" or "tiu" *http://tinyurl.com/5umqr* > > CHEMISE: I have always heard this pronounced shemee or shemeeze.....is > the harder s sound shemeese just an anglicized version? > *http://tinyurl.com/4h67c* > > > As always, interested in your insights. > Saragrace > > ** > > >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 11:18:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAGIQDm015941 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:18:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAGHZ2L021938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAGHPtS026189; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBAGHLoc026131 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-24550); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:12:58 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:12:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20041210081042.00d98100@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:16:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet In-Reply-To: <41B8D654.2000901@optonline.net> References: <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:48 PM 12/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I am writing on behaft of a friend who is writing a book/historical novel >around Anne Bradstreet who lived 1612-1672. She was born in Northampton >England, then moved to the Mass. Bay Colonys in the 1620s. She was a >fairly prominent Puritan writer, and those of you from the US probably had >to read some of her poems in highschool or if you are not sure, here is a >link to more about her ( >http://www.nagasaki-gaigo.ac.jp/ishikawa/amlit/b/bradstreet1718.htm ). >Anyway, I showed her Drea Leed's excelent site, and she was wondering if >there are any good web or book resoses that would focus on early 17th >cent. or might focus on something about that would be useful to her? I >have often talked about how cool this list is, so i am hoping to have >lots directions to point her in. Hard to find books are NO problem for >her as she is doing most of her research at the main NY Public Research >Library and is in heven about all that is availible. she is just a lttle >overwhelmed and wants something farily specific without having to wade >though thosands of books. > >Thanks for all you time and thinking (in advance) > >Jordana You might check out the website for Plimoth Plantation, http://www.plimoth.org . Plimoth Plantation is a re-creation of the early English colony; they re-create 1627, so the information is for the earlier part of Anne Bradstreet's sojourn in the area. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 12:10:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAHAGYc016296 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAH8W2L027050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAH805T069498; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAH7Ma5068905 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 70F57A0918; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust116.tnt4.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.207.116]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A5F5A07D0 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:07:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <13d001c4deda$c1d44f90$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002b01c4ddf1$3bcf1360$725183d1@rmitchellras> <41B8D654.2000901@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:07:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kass McGann does quite a bit with the early 17th century--I'm sure she'd be a great resource, as she's very cheerful about answering questions. Her website is: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/ -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 12:18:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAHIdjO016355 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:18:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAHHa2L028045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAHH7HJ077531; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav5.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAHH5Zp077450 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.5.212.137 by BAY7-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:16:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.5.212.137] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041210.055729.4468.165067@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:16:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:16:04 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 17:17:00.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F6D4FD0:01C4DEDC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBAHIdjO016355 Status: RO I hadn't seen these before! The 4737 is not bad at all, and a really good choice for winter. The other one, 4739 is okay, but the sleeve and neckline aren't quite right. The neckline should be more straight across and the sleeves should be open on the bottom edge, IMO. Still, it's really nice to see Simplicity making more historically accurate patterns widely available. I sure wish they'd branch out into some other eras. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: seamstrix@juno.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress Simplicity has recently come out with two new American Civil War patterns for little girls. To my semi-educated eyes the look pretty good, but I'm certainly willing to defer to more knowledgeable folks. Karen -- Kathy Page > wrote: I was hoping someone out there would have a couple of images for a circa 1864 toddler's dress for winter time. Myself and my daughter are going to a Victorian village next week and I thought it would be nifty if she had something that would match my dress. Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 13:58:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAIwlW2017155 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:58:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAIvm2L008809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAIvftA068151; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAIvV7L067945 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d2.1de69515 (3874) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:57:25 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:57:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/10/2004 2:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > Short puffed sleeves, Peter Pan collar, gathered skirt, half sash that ties > > in back. To that you could add a ruffly white sun-bonnet of eyelet lace, > A sun bonnet? For winter????? A dress of wool [with linen or cotton petticoat and chemise between the wool and the skin] or silk...especially for the holidays. Knitted and crocheted things were popular then for outter wear. As you know, both little girls and boys wear dresses in this period. I'm told you can tell the difference by whether the hair is parted in the middle, for girls, or on the left, for boys. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 14:26:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAJQFlj017319 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:26:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAJPF2L012186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAJP6AV093475; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:25:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBAJOVbD092643 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:24:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 19:24:25 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041210191835.0155a260@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:24:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:57 10/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/10/2004 2:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, >kayta@frys.com writes: > > > Short puffed sleeves, Peter Pan collar, gathered skirt, half sash that > ties > > > > in back. To that you could add a ruffly white sun-bonnet of eyelet lace, > > > >A sun bonnet? For winter????? > >A dress of wool [with linen or cotton petticoat and chemise between the wool >and the skin] or silk...especially for the holidays. Knitted and crocheted >things were popular then for outter wear. > >As you know, both little girls and boys wear dresses in this period. I'm told >you can tell the difference by whether the hair is parted in the middle, for >girls, or on the left, for boys. It is sometimes possible to tell by the fact that the boy will have plain drawers showing, not lace trimmed. The problem with the parting is that often hats are worn, so you cannot see the hair. I was told that another good way to tell is by the toys - a whip, toy horse or similar for a boy, doll for the girl. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 14:59:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAJxNIM017536 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:59:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAJwQ2L015281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:58:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAJwFMs029098; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAJwDwi029070 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-83-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.83.152]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAJwKYC004672 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:58:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041210114252.03332248@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:46:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > in back. To that you could add a ruffly white sun-bonnet of eyelet lace, > > > >A sun bonnet? For winter????? Baby bonnets were shaped much like sun bonnets. I was thinking baby bonnet, and giving sun bonnet for the shape. But I may have been thinking 1880s for all of my post. >A dress of wool [with linen or cotton petticoat and chemise between the wool >and the skin] or silk...especially for the holidays. Knitted and crocheted >things were popular then for outter wear. > >As you know, both little girls and boys wear dresses in this period. I'm told >you can tell the difference by whether the hair is parted in the middle, for >girls, or on the left, for boys. Litle boys sometimes had short hair, in a male cut. Little Lord Fauntleroy was 1880s. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 15:02:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAK2HQ0017558 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:02:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAK0w2L015537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:00:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAK0tHZ031403; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50609.mail.yahoo.com (web50609.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBAK0H8e030751 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 10518 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2004 20:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20041210200008.10516.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:00:08 EST Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:00:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200412101907.iBAJ7JxF076270@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1864 girl's dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks everyone. I knew I could count on you folks to come up with images quickly. :-) This is my winner: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/images/glb5-57dip.jpeg / http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/images/glb5-57di.jpeg I figure a dress from a slightly earlier period for a child isn't too out there - a hand-me-down is about right in age from 1857 to 1864. Thank you Hope, this will do me just fine. I'll simplify it a little so I can pull this off in a weekend. :-) Since this is winter, can I make sleeves and pin them inside the sleeve? Would that be way out there, or appropriate? I snagged a plate that shows a little girl with sleeves, but I think she's wearing a skirt and jacket. http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/images/glb4-57.2.jpeg -from 1855. I have decided on a pink printed calico lined with pink flannel, with black passementaries and white mother-of-pearl buttons. I have some shot pink/black taffeta I can throw into this as well that should match, but I think the print calico is a bit too casual to mix with shot taffeta. I have some grey melton wool for a cloak and have picked up some simple pre-quited cotton for a lining, and plan on making simple frog closures in black with black braid piping for trim. The cloak will be a plain circle with a short standing collar, all piped with braid. please pardon my fundamental questions, it has been a while since I have visited this part of my brain. :-) The bertha, that acts sort of like a collar, does it not? It's not sewn into the bodice at all, right? The shoulder looks gathered to me and I figured it would be darned hard to get that gather to hold up a sleeve. The skirt - just a rectangle of fabric pleated to fit the waist? I'll probably cartridge pleat it if I have time otherwise the waistband looks like it could handle being gathered and sewn. Can I get away with throwing in a couple layers of crinoline instead of hooping the skirt? I can just see my kid going nuts with a hoop hanging inside her skirt. :-) The plate Suzi sent me shows the youngest girl wearing a hat - is there something I can use instead of a formed hat? I really don't have the time to pull that out of my sleeve nor do I live nearby a place I can find one quickly. My daughter's hair is fine and really doesn't hold barettes or hairpins all that well. That and she generally hates it when I try mucking around with her hair. How about pulling the top of her hair back with a big black ribbon? I might make her some spats to cover up her regular shoes or leggins if I have the time, otherwise, her wooly leotard will just have to do. :-) She has all the underwear already; I made her pantaloons for a wedding we attended this past spring. I have antique chemises her size running about the house, so I don't have to worry about that much either. Do I sound like I'm ready to dive in? :-) Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 15:32:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAKW9A7017783 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAKV62L018578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAKUp5h057292; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAKUlv1057241 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:30:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.177] (pm5-177.eos.net [205.133.149.177]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAKUdMi025917 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:40 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:26:02 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200412100612.iBA6BvUJ081490@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 938 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 12/10/04 1:12 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > The one big thing was that the hostess managed to talk all the other > chaperones into leaving early. She then threw a masque in the woods > and among other things the master of the house wound up in bed with > the countess. Oh. How tacky. Don't these people realize they are on television? You would think the omnipresent cameras would be a reminder. Well, as I said, I didn't think much of any of them anyway. But thanks to all who replied! I guess I didn't miss anything much. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 15:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAKmNSW017908 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAKlQ2L020164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAKlIv9071590; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52808.mail.yahoo.com (web52808.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBAKlEJn071453 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15355 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2004 20:47:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=XvobsKvYo7q7F55fcg6RnihqRHm3a2sQMS+HtWhNTRq7z/jSENexXeV5h44TQs0iwe6oIVulOO+VPonfZISQisiQUj3eSWTcgQSAESpjS9gq9BFRIJixCqvaoLe4jGsNhtW+lnKVOcbgozj0z4VF5UpO4+wJ+c7YqD87HqpJ4aU= ; Message-ID: <20041210204709.15353.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.248.212.19] by web52808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:47:04 PST Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:47:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041210141800.01498218@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're trying to make yourself sound as French as possible, the s in "chemise" should be pronounced as a z, because it is intervocalic. (If there were no final mute e, then the s would be silent, resulting in "shuhMEE"). The first e is close to our schwa (as in the unstressed syllables of "agree" or "button"), but more rounded -- close to the sound of our open U in "book," or even as rounded as the closed o umlaut sound that you hear in "The Sound of Music," when the kids use the French pronunciation in "Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you" -- and they modify the "you" to match the French "adieu." U in French, when it stands alone, is one of the mixed vowels -- put your tongue in the forward ee position and round your lips to oo. You should try NOT to insert the glide of a y as you make the sound -- what that means is that your tongue was not in the correct ee position before you started to phonate. Therefore, if you were to hear a French person say that word, it would sound as if he were saying "teel" through very rounded lips, which gives it that distinct "furrin" color! (Germans have this sound as well, of course.) More than you wanted to know, I'm sure! :) KP (diction teacher, and general geek) --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 07:04 10/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Thanks all for the help on Bayes... > > > >Here are two more, but now it is just the > pronunciation: > > > >I have checked both of these out in several > dictionaries with mixed > >results. (I have listed several here for > reference) > > > >TULLE: I have always heard this pronounced to > rhyme with "hull" (like > >the ship). Most pronounce it like tool. I > understand that it is named > >after a town in France: This dictionary > pronunciation almost sounds like > >"teeyou" or "tiu" *http://tinyurl.com/5umqr* > > Here we pronounce it either "tool" or "tyule" - I > have heard both in the > shop where I buy it!! > > > >CHEMISE: I have always heard this pronounced > shemee or shemeeze.....is > >the harder s sound shemeese just an anglicized > version? > >*http://tinyurl.com/4h67c* > > I feel this is a matter of choice rather than > definitive pronunciation. I > use either or both with no rhyme or reason, although > I think I veer towards > "chumeeze"! (Saves problems if you say "shift" ) > > (Mind you chemisette (shemizett) confuses the > issue!) > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VXGydSTSVkYxUVRAlOuYONy23RZ4fdTBk35rwhSvODoYEMvbOzwgEQSfSfbgNK4LSHJvtranm92jGLd6Aju4VK/Nkw+7Rlq1mQtkKP/PvOjwmgkQIrK3mCbSOeS+NqO1O1kWjPSSn+fEGV5rQsZ81HAA9oX9UifIsk84aOcXkaE= ; Message-ID: <20041210205910.98331.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.248.212.19] by web52805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:59:10 PST Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:59:10 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41B9ACE6.1040801@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I apologize if anybody gets this twice -- I'm not sure if I'm posting it correctly! If you're trying to make yourself sound as French as possible, the s in "chemise" should be pronounced as a z, because it is intervocalic. (If there were no final mute e, then the s would be silent, resulting in "shuhMEE"). The first e is close to our schwa (as in the unstressed syllables of "agree" or "button"), but more rounded -- close to the sound of our open U in "book," or even as rounded as the closed o umlaut sound that you hear in "The Sound of Music," when the kids use the French pronunciation in "Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you" -- and they modify the "you" to match the French "adieu." U in French, when it stands alone, is one of the mixed vowels -- put your tongue in the forward ee position and round your lips to oo. You should try NOT to insert the glide of a y as you make the sound -- what that means is that your tongue was not in the correct ee position before you started to phonate. Therefore, if you were to hear a French person say that word, it would sound as if he were saying "teel" through very rounded lips, which gives it that distinct "furrin" color! (Germans have this sound as well, of course.) More than you wanted to know, I'm sure! :) KP (diction teacher, and general geek) --- Wicked Frau wrote: > Thanks all for the help on Bayes... > > Here are two more, but now it is just the > pronunciation: > > I have checked both of these out in several > dictionaries with mixed > results. (I have listed several here for reference) > > TULLE: I have always heard this pronounced to > rhyme with "hull" (like > the ship). Most pronounce it like tool. I > understand that it is named > after a town in France: This dictionary > pronunciation almost sounds > like "teeyou" or "tiu" > *http://tinyurl.com/5umqr* > > CHEMISE: I have always heard this pronounced shemee > or shemeeze.....is > the harder s sound shemeese just an anglicized > version? > *http://tinyurl.com/4h67c* > > > As always, interested in your insights. > Saragrace > > ** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 17:11:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMBi83018595 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAMAm2L028639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMAXcR043368; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:10:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMA67A043041 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9d.54bf5360 (18707) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:09:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.54bf5360.2eeb78b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:09:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/10/2004 3:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > Litle boys sometimes had short hair, in a male cut. Little Lord Fauntleroy > > was 1880s. > True.....and Lord Fauntleroy also wears a skeleton suit, not a dress. I've seen pictures of little 1860s girls with shortish page boy haircuts. The off the shoulder horizontal neck line and little poofy sleeves seem to be very common regardless of the time of year. Pantalets showing below a tea length skirt with booties is a sure fire way to get the period across. You could almost add these to a modern Christmas get up and it would be convincing. I made some Victorian dresses for girls of about age 8 to 10 using a modern commercial pattern for a party dress that had shallow darts in front and closed in back. I changed the neck line to be horizontal and cut the skirt in straight panels rather than gores. I boned the bodice a bit too with Rigleene. Made panatelas with eyelet on the bottom and... VOILA! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 17:28:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMSrLk018728 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:28:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAMS12L001624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMRt5l058239; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMRaLn057921 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e3.3077829b (18707) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.3077829b.2eeb7ccf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:27:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/10/2004 12:20:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, LuAnn_Mason@msn.com writes: > The 4737 is not bad at all, and a really good choice for winter. The other > one, 4739 is okay, They both seem to have been "altered" from accuracy to not restrict the child's movement. [I can understand that] This would not happen in the period. The horizontal neckline [that should be on 4739] is snug and restrictive. [I've seen the sleeves gathered into a band at the bottom....as well as open] and 4737 needs to just fit more closely all round. I might make the skirts a little fuller. But fitted correctly and even with the square neckline [I'm sure SOMEBODY did this back then] made up in some yummy velvet or silk, dressed up with some lace, these outfits would look great. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 17:41:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMfUVV018814 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:41:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAMed2L003416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMeXiW069289; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMeUsV069187 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121022402501200if1nte>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:40:25 +0000 Message-ID: <007a01c4df09$3ef54e60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004c01c4de74$cf0991e0$cb6afea9@sherry> <41B9AA70.3020406@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer: Another Fancy dress for a Ball Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:40:27 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would love to contact the owner of this website and offer them space for this website. If anyone knows the website owner, please let know. Then I will contact them. This is such a wonderful reference site, it is a shame that their bandwidth goes so quickly every month. When you have large images like on this site, exceeding your bandwidth limit can go so quickly. Or they could go to the service we use and get a smaller site than we have, for very little a month. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 17:44:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMiXAX018822 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAMhW2L004066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMhUF7071825; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAMf1mi069566 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d.393f2b79 (4568) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:40:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:40:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5034 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/10/2004 2:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: As you know, both little girls and boys wear dresses in this period. I'm told you can tell the difference by whether the hair is parted in the middle, for girls, or on the left, for boys. That is one difference. I think it likely, too, that the dresses with matching jackets were boys' garments. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 18:01:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAN1M7C018938 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:01:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBAN0U2L006620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAN0OIB086091; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAN0IF7085986 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (24-90-83-116.nyc.rr.com [24.90.83.116]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBAN0EbM008664 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200412101505.iBAF4gTM068367@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:1864 toddler's dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kathy The Wisconsin Historical Society has a wonderful on-line collection of children's clothes searchable by decade. http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/museum/collections/online/pictsrch.cfm?Paren tID=376752 Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 18:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBANTu0t019083 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:29:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBANT12L011654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBANSqKb010821; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBANSmuA010742 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-83-152.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.83.152]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBANSosY020661 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041210152705.0325aa38@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:27:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress In-Reply-To: <9d.54bf5360.2eeb78b7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Litle boys sometimes had short hair, in a male cut. Little Lord > Fauntleroy > > > was 1880s. > >True.....and Lord Fauntleroy also wears a skeleton suit, not a dress. Earlier in the book he does. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 10 20:36:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBB1aYHZ019720 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:36:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBB1Zb2L007976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBB1ZLaV098419; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from janus.directcon.net (janus.directcon.net [206.170.184.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBB1YfZG098064 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r14a93.directcon.net [207.215.72.93]) by janus.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBB1cV117110 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:38:31 -0800 Message-ID: <00af01c4df20$34ccc8c0$5d48d7cf@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] La Mode Bagatelle Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:24:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/623/Thu Dec 9 06:47:37 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've never used their patterns, I've no commercial interest in the company, > but I thought that many people on this list would be interested in this > news. > Oh, how sad. Their Regency Wardrobe package was what inspired me to start my own pattern company, as it proved that people really would pay a high price for high quality historical patterns. I only hope it's becasue they're going on to even more exciting projects. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 06:02:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBB2mXn024318 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBB1o2L009754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:01:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBB1VnC018956; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBB1LbS018822 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20041211110116016007kirde>; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:01:16 +0000 Message-ID: <018f01c4df70$bd796fc0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:01:17 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1809 & 1811 Fabric Swatches on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBBB2mXn024318 Status: RO I thought some of you might want to snatch these two auctions up... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10167&item=3767427924&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10167&item=3767428560&rd=1 Its not my auction or I'd keep them. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 06:19:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBBJE1O027849 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBBIS2L010879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:18:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBBIPMU031733; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:18:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBBBIJN2031607 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 11:18:13 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041211111756.01498948@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:18:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1809 & 1811 Fabric Swatches on eBay In-Reply-To: <018f01c4df70$bd796fc0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:01 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I thought some of you might want to snatch these two auctions up... >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10167&item=3767427924&rd=1 >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10167&item=3767428560&rd=1 > >Its not my auction or I'd keep them. I buy a lot of stuff from this seller - she is very good. I bought one of these pages the last time round. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 09:31:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBEVUGY016501 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBEUc2L001151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:30:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBEURIm021877; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBEUPIi021855 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cd8GN-0000NE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: <41BB0494.3000307@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:30:44 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise References: <20041210205910.98331.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041210205910.98331.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cool! So, just to be sure I understood correctly, the s in chemise is heard (as the z sound). The final mute e thing started to get me confused! Kathryn Parke wrote: >If you're trying to make yourself sound as French as >possible, the s in "chemise" should be pronounced as a >z, because it is intervocalic. (If there were no >final mute e, then the s would be silent, resulting in >"shuhMEE"). > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 17:18:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBMIAKI019466 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:18:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBMHN2L004405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBMH8DJ070143; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52802.mail.yahoo.com (web52802.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBBMH5rj070063 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95870 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2004 22:17:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=F+y3Z4vljE83JIt5AYps0G6juuDgaw7FY0COWBZRiMXk1asxGytycz7ZkdLa7Ufa+oMATaA5Rlvtgb15rAclN9/TBKoRq9P6Xen9uMPr53/Z2ZBEdGVUORfubgYXYD1YscGDH07L1y2gFyzSXHjYx2lyjEdgB/NBntFazVnZAEs= ; Message-ID: <20041211221659.95868.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.248.212.19] by web52802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:16:59 PST Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41BB0494.3000307@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Right -- well, here again, more than you probably want to know! The final mute e is a weird concept that mostly only singers deal with, because in the language, it IS mute, but for some reason, composers usually set it to its own note, so we have to sing it. So "chemise" in speaking would be "shuMEEZ," while in singing (9 times out of 10), it would be set as "shuMEEZuh." Why music should have evolved that way, I don't know, but it's pretty much consistent across the musical eras. So singers refer to it as a "mute e," even though it's not mute for us. HOWEVER, its presence does mean that the consonant before it would be sounded, because it's no longer a final consonant (usually this indicates masculine or feminine). Therefore, for example: "gris" (gree), but "grise" (greez); "petit" (puhTEE), but "petite" (puhTEET -- or puhTEETuh, if you're singing), with the "uh" rounded. So the common phrase "tête a tête" is correctly pronounced "tet ah tet," not "tet a tay," and "coup de grâce" is correctly pronounced "koo duh grahss," not "koo duh grah." (And the intervocalic c is "ss," not "zz" -- if it were "grâse," it would be "grahz.") Both "s" and "z" would be heard, but "s" is unvoiced (all you're doing is blowing air), and "z" is voiced (the vocal folds are vibrating). So if you put your fingertips on your larynx (voice box), and make the hissing "s" sound, you won't feel any vibration. If you put your fingers there and say a long, buzzy "z," you WILL feel vibration, because you're phonating, instead of just blowing breath. Therefore, "t" would be unvoiced, and "d" would be its voiced partner (or cognate) -- made with the same articulation, but "t" is just breath, and "d" is voiced because the vocal folds are vibrating. Some other examples would be "k" and "g"; "f" and "v"; "p" and "b"; the "th" of "three" and the "th" of "them"; the "sh" of "shame" and the "ch" of "church"; etc. What can be confusing is if you forget and say the NAME of the letter (as in "tee") as opposed to just the letter ("t"), because as soon as you've said the name, you've added a vowel, which has to be voiced. So my students sometimes get themselves in trouble that way! Then, of course, you get into the whole "is it a fricative, stop plosive, lateral, nasal consonant" stuff, as well as pure vowels, diphthongs, glides, etc -- and trying to get my Kansas children to realize that they don't write with "pins" is enough to make me truly "mintal"! Still awake?! :) KP --- Wicked Frau wrote: > Cool! So, just to be sure I understood correctly, > the s in chemise is > heard (as the z sound). The final mute e thing > started to get me confused! > > > Kathryn Parke wrote: > > >If you're trying to make yourself sound as French > as > >possible, the s in "chemise" should be pronounced > as a > >z, because it is intervocalic. (If there were no > >final mute e, then the s would be silent, resulting > in > >"shuhMEE"). > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 17:37:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBMbNf6019552 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBMaV2L005645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBMaO9g079709; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52803.mail.yahoo.com (web52803.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBBMaMnv079656 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62253 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2004 22:35:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rkq1Hh5H83DLTImQRLg4povHfrlHYz1a8NZfDtFr9E3se2EJ6jYHIuzg/7irGuviaiegHa+xOSgQYZYGDmfDLiuyby4YjQ714nmzNj8rPdZGznsso5SYX/35qfpLptNxjVkMqSnxIB5OUmb+0E+Pke9NZBCZI55vYgYjl0XTMNE= ; Message-ID: <20041211223535.62251.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.248.212.19] by web52803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:35:35 PST Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:35:35 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulle and chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20041211221659.95868.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Therefore, "t" would be unvoiced, and "d" would be > its > voiced partner (or cognate) -- made with the same > articulation, but "t" is just breath, and "d" is > voiced because the vocal folds are vibrating. Some > other examples would be "k" and "g"; "f" and "v"; > "p" > and "b"; the "th" of "three" and the "th" of "them"; > the "sh" of "shame" and the "ch" of "church"; etc. > Sorry, going too fast -- a correction is needed to the unvoiced/voiced consonant pairs! "Sh" of ''shame" is the partner of the "zh" sound of the "s" in "pleasure," while the "ch" of "church" is the partner to the "j" sound on both ends of "judge." How my students would love to get a copy of this to taunt me with! :) KP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 18:26:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNQr4h019914 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:26:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBNPs2L010393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNPn7Q007652; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNPlBi007588 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121123254201400ech0ke>; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:25:42 +0000 Message-ID: <032501c4dfd8$b4a070c0$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041211223535.62251.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:25:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sigh ... ya know your mind is not where it should be when all you can think after reading the above subject line is how lead singers for rock bands 'stuff' their 'breeches' with a roll of quarters to look attractive. *wink* (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 18:35:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNZhkO019968 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBNYt2L011039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:34:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNYOCJ012514; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNYDkm012381 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.20]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CdGke-0005PB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:34:12 -0800 Message-ID: <12350288.1102808052670.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:34:12 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBBNYDkm012381 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think I'd be impressed by quarters. They'd need a roll of dollar coins, at the least. Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Chiara Sent: Dec 11, 2004 4:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Sigh ... ya know your mind is not where it should be when all you can think after reading the above subject line is how lead singers for rock bands 'stuff' their 'breeches' with a roll of quarters to look attractive. *wink* (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 18:43:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNhjYf020029 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:43:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBNgg2L011607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:42:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNgaUf016806; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNgYH1016753 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:41:53 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:42:46 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c4dfdb$1ddbea40$0cb00040@softwareinnovation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <12350288.1102808052670.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2004 23:41:53.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE5D79E0:01C4DFDA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBBNgYH1016753 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Half dollars or silver dollars, not the new gold ones.. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frank and Tracy Thallas Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches I don't think I'd be impressed by quarters. They'd need a roll of dollar coins, at the least. Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Chiara Sent: Dec 11, 2004 4:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Sigh ... ya know your mind is not where it should be when all you can think after reading the above subject line is how lead singers for rock bands 'stuff' their 'breeches' with a roll of quarters to look attractive. *wink* (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 18:51:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNp4ND020080 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:51:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBBNoI2L012132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBNo4C7020826; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBBNnwkK020688 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:50:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2004 23:49:52 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041211234914.01498d98@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:50:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches In-Reply-To: <000401c4dfdb$1ddbea40$0cb00040@softwareinnovation.com> References: <12350288.1102808052670.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:42 11/12/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Half dollars or silver dollars, not the new gold ones.. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Frank and Tracy Thallas >Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:34 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches > > > I don't think I'd be impressed by quarters. They'd need a roll of >dollar coins, at the least. > >Liadain Pair of socks always did it in the theatre. Football socks if you were really boasting!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 19:22:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0Ms1t020248 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:22:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBC0M82L013993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0M43Y038108; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:22:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0M3qR038093 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:22:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.20]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CdHUx-0000we-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:22:03 -0800 Message-ID: <24513333.1102810923020.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:22:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: OT-Gold dollar coins(was:RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBC0M3qR038093 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO By the way, on a tangent - a gentleman who was deeply involved in the development and design of the Sacajawea dollar, Richard Bratton, was from our town and recently passed away from pancreatic cancer. He gave away thousands of Sacajaweas, and when on tour of Europe with our chamber singers, hid one in every cathedral and church he entered up on the highest place he could reach (and he was a very tall man) - he thought it might give a momentary thrill someday to a historian or really ambitious church-cleaning lady.... Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Marshall Sent: Dec 11, 2004 4:42 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Half dollars or silver dollars, not the new gold ones.. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frank and Tracy Thallas Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches I don't think I'd be impressed by quarters. They'd need a roll of dollar coins, at the least. Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Chiara Sent: Dec 11, 2004 4:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Sigh ... ya know your mind is not where it should be when all you can think after reading the above subject line is how lead singers for rock bands 'stuff' their 'breeches' with a roll of quarters to look attractive. *wink* (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 19:44:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0ivmR020399 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:44:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBC0i42L015611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0hu6L049362; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0hoQF049260 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A44033E5012C; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:43:44 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.16]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:43:43 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:43:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c4dfe3$a6e82b20$10542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <12350288.1102808052670.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 00:43:44.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[A226F990:01C4DFE3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBC0hoQF049260 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Everyone knows that the most traditional "stuffing" is a cucumber in tinfoil. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frank and Tracy Thallas Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches I don't think I'd be impressed by quarters. They'd need a roll of dollar coins, at the least. Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Chiara Sent: Dec 11, 2004 4:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Sigh ... ya know your mind is not where it should be when all you can think after reading the above subject line is how lead singers for rock bands 'stuff' their 'breeches' with a roll of quarters to look attractive. *wink* (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 19:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0pja2020422 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:51:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBC0ot2L015997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0opeX052692; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC0olDI052666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBC0joTA027205 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:45:50 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:45:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41BB95E3.4030407@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:50:43 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] *ahem* Enhancement, was: Bayes stuffing in Breeches References: <000001c4dfe3$a6e82b20$10542fd8@Sandra> In-Reply-To: <000001c4dfe3$a6e82b20$10542fd8@Sandra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sandra Olsen wrote: > Everyone knows that the most traditional "stuffing" is a cucumber in > tinfoil. So the Alien Mind-control Rays won't affect it? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened. -- Terry Pratchett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 11 21:10:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC2Afkv021398 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:10:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBC29a2L022478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC29NfK096015; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC29KRX095933 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ches@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121202091501400eej62e>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:09:15 +0000 Message-ID: <035801c4dfef$8691b3d0$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Ches" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c4dfe3$a6e82b20$10542fd8@Sandra> <41BB95E3.4030407@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] *ahem* Enhancement, was: Bayes stuffing in Breeches Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:55:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hehehe .... and round we go ... who would a thunk it that it would come to a reference to a card in the game of Illuminati from a company I actually used to work for! ;) But ya know, this begs a question. 'Enhancements' through the ages used in costume. That would be a great class! (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] *ahem* Enhancement, was: Bayes stuffing in Breeches : Sandra Olsen wrote: : : > Everyone knows that the most traditional "stuffing" is a cucumber in : > tinfoil. : : So the Alien Mind-control Rays won't affect it? : : -- : Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent : : Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened. -- : Terry Pratchett : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 01:32:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC6Wjjq024534 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:32:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBC6Vm2L008862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:31:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC6VZrd029175; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBC6VYBR029158 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.117] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CdNGX-0001tW-6Q for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:31:33 -0500 Message-ID: <02c801c4e014$3419f2a0$75399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12350288.1102808052670.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:31:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bfc82bdccda5512d342a71d33c3d6cc6f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Liadain wrote: > I don't think I'd be impressed by quarters. They'd need a roll of > dollar coins, at the least. Or at least a foil-rapped zucchini... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 06:41:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCBfY1V011468 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 06:41:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCBeI2L025259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:40:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCBdsqQ079292; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCBdpNL079172 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DB412BBF2 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:39:39 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-119-130.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-119-130.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.119.130]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:39:39 +1100 Message-ID: <1102851579.41bc2dfbc4203@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:39:39 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] *ahem* Enhancement, was: Bayes stuffing in Breeches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > Everyone knows that the most traditional "stuffing" is a cucumber in > > tinfoil. Speaking of cucumbers, there is the story told to me by a nurse friend of a yopung man who had a fall in a night club and was terrified of the prospect of having his tight, tight trousers cut off in the emergency ward. Going back a couple of hundred years, I have found that the bulky shirts of the 17-1800s formed natural padding, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 10:23:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCFNxPB014826 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:23:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCFMt2L017466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCFMi1c090513; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCFMhC1090498 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:22:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CdVYY-0002bx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:22:42 -0800 Message-ID: <41BC6244.4030507@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:22:44 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] *ahem* Enhancement, was: Bayes stuffing in Breeches References: <1102851579.41bc2dfbc4203@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1102851579.41bc2dfbc4203@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I guess it is where you come from. My mother used to work at a medical center where they brought in a young man (from my school) who had a sausage tape to his leg. (I don't know if it was wrapped or not). He had passed out because his pants were too tight as I recall! stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: >>>Everyone knows that the most traditional "stuffing" is a cucumber in >>>tinfoil. >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 11:15:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCGFwB3015518 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:15:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCGF92L020186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCGF583017490; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mattdrury.net (mattdrury.net [68.142.30.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCGF3wa017291 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from widowweeds@cs.com) Received: from Spooler by mattdrury.net (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO000EE1; 12 Dec 2004 11:15:02 -0500 Received: from spooler by mattdrury.net (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 12 Dec 2004 11:14:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (68.142.30.226) by mattdrury.net (Mercury/32 v4.01a) with ESMTP ID MG000EE0; 12 Dec 2004 11:14:29 -0500 Message-ID: <41BC6E67.4010601@cs.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:14:31 -0500 From: Widow Weeds User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT-Gold dollar coins(was:RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches References: <24513333.1102810923020.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <24513333.1102810923020.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > the development and design of the Sacajawea dollar, Richard Bratton, > was from our town and recently passed away from pancreatic cancer. I'm so sorry to hear that. I try to use the gold dollar coins whenever I can. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 11:31:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCGVY9C015699 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:31:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCGUt2L020915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCGUndo025707; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBCGUmUG025687 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@67.122.235.205 with plain) by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 16:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <41BC723A.2000308@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:30:50 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sealskin muff on ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hope this is an appropriate post for this list (not my item -:) possible early 20th century sealskin muff http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6728620300 --------- liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 12:11:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCHBm2k016363 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:11:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCHB52L023468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCHAxkZ047684; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCHAvkU047630 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.27] (p11.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.27]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBCH9Zr19188 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:09:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <41BC723A.2000308@fenris.net> References: <41BC723A.2000308@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <92E63D08-4C61-11D9-88EA-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] sealskin muff on ebay Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:16:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I dont think it could be that early if it has a Talon zipper, although I guess the zipper could have been added later. Sylrog On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Elizabeth Young wrote: > I hope this is an appropriate post for this list > (not my item -:) > > possible early 20th century sealskin muff > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6728620300 > > --------- > liz young > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 17:16:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCMGDNa022384 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCMFF2L011326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCMErog024648; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCMEkko024554 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.141.3b0a18ee (16930) for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:14:36 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <141.3b0a18ee.2eee1ccc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:14:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/10/2004 6:33:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > Earlier in the book he does. > Y'know....I've never read it. Hmmmmm... I wonder where that image we all conjure up of him comes from. I know it must be described in the book but y'know how illustrations cement in an image....like Alice in Wonderland and the Tenniel drawings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 18:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNDNBV023253 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:13:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCNCN2L014624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNC96A056353; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNC7EI056292 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:12:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:11:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041211221659.95868.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches-now another few words...tulleand chemise Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:11:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2004 23:12:00.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC1CE330:01C4E09F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The final mute e is a weird concept that mostly only > singers deal with, because in the language, it IS > mute, but for some reason, composers usually set it to > its own note, so we have to sing it. So "chemise" in > speaking would be "shuMEEZ," while in singing (9 times > out of 10), it would be set as "shuMEEZuh." Why music > should have evolved that way, I don't know, but it's > pretty much consistent across the musical eras. Probably because it's really, really hard to sing out the consonants if you don't also sing out the final vowel. At this point, I think it doesn't matter if it's mute or not... A French speaker just wouldn't recognize what "chemi" is, and I really can't picture an opera singer going "shuuuuuuu-meeeeeee-zzzzzzzzzzz"... you need to open up the sound to sing it out, and that means singing the final "e". Also, the mute "e"s are almost always pronounced in poetry, except when they're right before another vowel. For example, you would pronounce it in "chemise noire", but not in "chemise épaisse". It's also always pronounced at the end of a line. > HOWEVER, its presence does mean that > the consonant before it would be sounded, because it's > no longer a final consonant (usually this indicates > masculine or feminine). That works for adjectives, because you often make them fiminine by adding an "e", just like you would often make something plural by adding an "s", but there are tons of nouns where that's not true - it often even catches us native French-speakers :-) Oasis is feminine, but élève is masculine. Lots and lots of exceptions to the final "e" being feminine. The voiced/unvoiced thing is fascinating. I'm a native French-speaker, but I'd never been presented the consonants as "pairs". Depending on the sounds I make though, I don't always get the pairs exactly out the same way. For example, I usually pronounce "d" with the very tip of my tongue, but "t" with the part slightly more at the back, flat against the roof of my mouth. > Still awake?! Yes. Fascinating. You have to realize though that I'm currently studying in translation - this stuff is just outside of our regular study, but close enough to be interesting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 18:40:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNe1Z9023390 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:40:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCNcq2L016463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:38:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNcfir071724; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNcdOC071685 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5C111300 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:38:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041212153400.02b81888@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:37:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] sealskin muff on ebay In-Reply-To: <92E63D08-4C61-11D9-88EA-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> References: <41BC723A.2000308@fenris.net> <41BC723A.2000308@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:16 AM 12/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I dont think it could be that early if it has a Talon zipper, although I >guess the zipper could have been added later. > >Sylrog Hi Sylrog, I agree. According to the reviews on Amazon.com about the book _Zipper: An Exploration in Novelty_ by Robert Friedel, it notes "Talon Inc. (HFC's corporate name since 1937...". So if the item has the name Talon on the zipper, it cannot be as vintage as 1920s as noted on the eBay item. FWIW, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 18:44:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNi8vk023399 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:44:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBCNhF2L016618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:43:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNhCwP074127; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBCNh9LM074101 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.22]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CddMr-0003yW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:43:09 -0800 Message-ID: <29128151.1102894989117.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:43:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT-Gold dollar coins(was:RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO He was a wonderful man, enthusiastic about everything in life - I think he had a hand in the idea and design of the new "westward expansion" nickels too, but the dollars were his baby.... Liadain who has one that will never be spent... -----Original Message----- From: Widow Weeds Sent: Dec 12, 2004 9:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT-Gold dollar coins(was:RE: [h-cost] Bayes stuffing in Breeches > the development and design of the Sacajawea dollar, Richard Bratton, > was from our town and recently passed away from pancreatic cancer. I'm so sorry to hear that. I try to use the gold dollar coins whenever I can. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 12 23:55:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD4t0f4024612 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:55:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD4s52L007065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD4rsXu052632; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD4rmhl052587 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CdiDU-0006fB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:53:48 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041212223347.0254b260@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:41:46 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200412121901.iBCJ1W5F009297@net.indra.com> References: <200412121901.iBCJ1W5F009297@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Muff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would also doubt that it is really sealskin. I have a vintage (ca. 1930's or '40's) fur coat that I got at an antique store that was specified as being sealskin. While I bought it anyway, upon looking at the back of the skins, they were stamped with the word "coney" - in other words, rabbit. When I looked at this item, it looks almost exactly like my coat. Aside note - I bought the coat because: a) It was in really good condition b) The lining has silver cord passementerie ornamenting the lower halves of the front c) It fit me - since I'm almost 6 feet tall and a size 18+, is really hard to do in vintage clothes. Sandy At 01:01 PM 12/12/2004, you wrote: >From: Elizabeth Young >Subject: [h-cost] sealskin muff on ebay > >possible early 20th century sealskin muff >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6728620300 > >liz young "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 00:44:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD5iAYH024911 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:44:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD5hQ2L009727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:43:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD5hK5Q079912; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:43:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41802.mail.yahoo.com (web41802.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBD5hIrK079852 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92794 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2004 05:43:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=B//2GpDMu/Kqw08ZaGK1q4e0h4ZtPt6QmbMEJgOtdyQcAt6qCJKHOHrdtwU3IziBaxOD76y/AjDYQIFU2s27jCXVsworD9d3XtpJYk/YrOnK+b204GeDRCRho+wuqDo8EBoHxa1GxgP/T4wyclCnnVGDy0CTrOV4MrfTFbY/PGs= ; Message-ID: <20041213054313.92792.qmail@web41802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.176.156] by web41802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:43:13 PST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:43:13 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] *ahem* Enhancement, takes all kinds...... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1102851579.41bc2dfbc4203@webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO An interesting side note,On the "Regency House"special previously mentioned, in one episode, the footmen were teaching the men how to wear the Regency fashions. The modern guys were alittle befuddled on what to do with the extra long tails on the shirts. The Gentlemen's manservent showed them how to gather the tail in the front, twist it into a "tube" and stuff it into the front of those tight white trousers. Like a padded bra, for the front....false advertising if you ask me ;~> Ta, Melody --- stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: > snip > Going back a couple of hundred years, I have found > that the bulky shirts of the > 17-1800s formed natural padding, > > -C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: > http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 01:13:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD6DYDC025116 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:13:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD6CT2L011405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD6CLjU096219; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD6CIhF096184 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-68-204.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.68.204]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD6COsW025577 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:12:24 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041212221006.03225408@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:11:58 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress In-Reply-To: <141.3b0a18ee.2eee1ccc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Earlier in the book he does. > >Y'know....I've never read it. Hmmmmm... I own the read-to-death remains of a first edition, and earlier he wears a boy's hat and jacket, the long hair, and a skirt. >I wonder where that image we all conjure up of him comes from. I know it must >be described in the book but y'know how illustrations cement in an >image....like Alice in Wonderland and the Tenniel drawings. The earliest editions are illustrated. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 04:44:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD9isGj007897 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:44:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD9hh2L000823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:43:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD9hW66009255; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBD9hPtL008973 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBD9gw216076.; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:42:58 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:42:58 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:42:46 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fauntleroy suit, was 1864 girl's dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> kayta@frys.com 13/12/2004 06:11:58 >>>wrote: >>I wonder where that image we all conjure up of him comes from. I >>know it must be described in the book but y'know how illustrations >>cement in an image....like Alice in Wonderland and the Tenniel >>drawings. >The earliest editions are illustrated. And I believe the illustrations were based on the outfit worn at the time by Mrs. Burnett's own son - and the book set a fashion which must have been the curse of well-to-do young boys for years ..._____________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 10:53:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDFrM0S027914 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:53:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDFq52L026946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDFpqBx030456; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDFplGN030382 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10630 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:51:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anne Bradstreet to Bjarne Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:51:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002b01c4deca$5fc20f50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Bjarne: You wrote: I am just teasing, but are you aware about how much we pay in taxes for cars in Denmark? If i were to buy a luxury car with my wages, i could easy work for 5 years............. Which is why you sensible Europeans have small, fuel efficient cars and good mass transit systems. It seems like the European luxury taxes are kind of like the sumptuary laws of old plus even in Jane Austen's day a decent vehicle for two or more and the horses to pull them and the care and feeding of said horses were for the very wealthy only. A singlewoman like Jane Austen would have to depend on the kindness of family and friends and the sometimes loan of a pony and pony cart to go anywhere her own two feet couldn't take her. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 12:58:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDHwUgb029092 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDHog2L010465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDHoFtG030150; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDHo85a029953 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:50:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBDHo1V26515 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:50:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:48:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Althea Turner To: Costume Historical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <420B9BE0-4D2F-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Birka Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I don't seem to have kept the postings about the Book on the Birka finds. Does anyone have the citation? I am trying to decide what Santa Clause is bringing. I have been a very good girl! :D Thanks!! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 13:06:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDI6vqH029213 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:06:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDI5C2L011984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:05:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDI56p1044578; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDI50iV044492 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07651 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:17:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:17:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book In-Reply-To: <420B9BE0-4D2F-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Althea Turner wrote: > I don't seem to have kept the postings about the Book on the Birka > finds. Does anyone have the citation? I am trying to decide what > Santa Clause is bringing. I have been a very good girl! :D Do you perhaps mean the brand-new book on the Greenland finds? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 14:51:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDJp9Qj030337 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:51:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDJnG2L023453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:49:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDJmujh034029; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDJmspE033994 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from pf-enccos5.cos.agilent.com (enccos5.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.94]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861C4AA4D for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from enccos5.cos.agilent.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F83AC0A9 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (130.29.152.239) by enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 8007597; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:53 -0700 Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB24716 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:52 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:52 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B036C126B@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 938 Thread-Index: AcTegN3tRYBCXDkKQ+CmXOIDLlhHtQCy1a9w From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 19:48:52.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5B2CCD0:01C4E14C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBDJmspE033994 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > One follow-up question, though: is she good about including as much > information about the painting--date, location, title, > etc--as possible? I > have several books that drive me CRAZY on that point; it's > not even like the > information they left out was hard to find! I don't think she includes location (at least I don't remember that) but she does include date and title and probably the artist, but again I'm not sure -- I'm at work and my copy's at home... sorry, I'll try to look it up tonight. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 17:01:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDM1jCx031312 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:01:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDLw82L014188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDLvrCV047405; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDLvptI047375 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from pf-enccos5.cos.agilent.com (enccos5.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.94]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA409D0F for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from enccos5.cos.agilent.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C4EBC0F1 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (130.29.152.237) by enccos5.cos.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 8020014; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:51 -0700 Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9E88E for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:50 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:49 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B037595BE@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 938 Thread-Index: AcTegN3tRYBCXDkKQ+CmXOIDLlhHtQCy1a9wAASbL5A= From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 21:57:50.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9C96150:01C4E15E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBDLvptI047375 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I double checked this -- most but not all pictures have date, title, location and artist. I'm not sure why some of them don't. -s > > One follow-up question, though: is she good about including as much > > information about the painting--date, location, title, > > etc--as possible? I > > have several books that drive me CRAZY on that point; it's > > not even like the > > information they left out was hard to find! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 17:17:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDMHnug031368 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDMFQ2L020627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDMFKih065063; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDMFI4F064927 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBDMFBB14124 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:15:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:14:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4D48D156-4D54-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin, I have the information on the Greenland book. The one I am thinking of was a recent English version that came out in the last year or so. Norse isn't my regular haunts and wanted to add to my library. I have friends that are requesting some garments and I want to be able to get it right. Thank you! Althea On Monday, December 13, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Althea Turner wrote: > >> I don't seem to have kept the postings about the Book on the Birka >> finds. Does anyone have the citation? I am trying to decide what >> Santa Clause is bringing. I have been a very good girl! :D > > Do you perhaps mean the brand-new book on the Greenland finds? > > --Robin Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 17:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDMhguL031503 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDMgO2L024337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDMgHLi087190; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:42:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDMfAbU086190 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121322410301200ifdkfe>; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:41:03 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c4e164$d7d646e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fauntleroy suit, was 1864 girl's dress Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:41:10 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a very long article in my online Library about written by the author about how she was inspired to write the LLF story about her son. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fauntleroy suit, was 1864 girl's dress > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > >>>> kayta@frys.com 13/12/2004 06:11:58 >>>wrote: > >>>I wonder where that image we all conjure up of him comes from. I >>>know it must be described in the book but y'know how illustrations >>>cement in an image....like Alice in Wonderland and the Tenniel >>>drawings. > >>The earliest editions are illustrated. > > > And I believe the illustrations were based on the outfit worn at the > time by Mrs. Burnett's own son - and the book set a fashion which must > have been the curse of well-to-do young boys for years ..._____________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 13 18:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDNRpY0031713 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:27:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBDNQg2L000251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDNQSrf022414; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBDNQN3p022346 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20690 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2004 23:26:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3ENwz19Iy2kv7PfRVhgdYT0MqMt+HciXCZ8vkA4Pu41zRjeNRYvMdpaINfFc4hi5zUeMcjbMptFOLCiLaaPGH+6ZR3Djqp9DdPDaRFCZyQY8UUv99yGOxi8tsx66R1aiaBRqfjcsL5cJQbnBsYWoLxpgEey29KIAK3qdAdr/BBE= ; Message-ID: <20041213232622.20687.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.213] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:26:22 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4D48D156-4D54-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, The book I think you're refering to is: Woven into the Earth, Else Ostergard. I got a copy from Http://www.oxbowbooks.com Wonderful folk and expect the book to take about 10 days to arrive. Regards, Chris G. Althea Turner wrote: Hi Robin, I have the information on the Greenland book. The one I am thinking of was a recent English version that came out in the last year or so. Norse isn't my regular haunts and wanted to add to my library. I have friends that are requesting some garments and I want to be able to get it right. Thank you! Althea --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 00:57:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE5vNcN001352 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:57:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE5uI2L000251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE5tZ8G043012; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav35.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE5tQ05042765 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV35.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:53:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4D48D156-4D54-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:53:19 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 05:54:00.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F107780:01C4E1A1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBE5vNcN001352 Status: RO How about Illerup Adal? This is a condensation, in English, of what had been a 9 volume set in German showing the finds of an archeological dig in Jutland. Lots of great stuff, but not clothing. I don't have it on my web site, but I do carry it. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 03:54:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE8s6oB003034 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:54:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE8r62L010543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:53:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE8qsbh024560; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41813.mail.yahoo.com (web41813.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBE8qqEO024477 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48050 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 08:52:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=y7W3O3NHUwm1vCcHJU1A8P9ABPN83hU6VoiB3shoK/8nRgRFNBjIPrh5kNuL8U0kkdvV+K7zJxtfyXaWUfkjMNHTxVgfKvGuSoQTiXMoIwgUlz2w6T6A8ZxajpRonN9oPVHXoeZyYR+ickZBKiMu9l3hcFawTWDGO1EgP8jkA9A= ; Message-ID: <20041214085247.48048.qmail@web41813.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.176.156] by web41813.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:52:47 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Nice and EZ pattern for Dicken's fest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All, I need opinions on patterns for a nice,relatively quick and EZ pattern for a 12 th night progressive Dinner with Dicken's....circa 1860-65,(Queen Vicki's rein) It will be a "progressive Dinner " at 4 Victorian houses, beginning at 8:30 at night. You will be moved by horse drawn carriage to each sucessive house for the next course, so I'd guess kind of a "Fancy Suit" type of gown, as opposed to a Ballgown. I'll be making 8 "step-up and step-downs' out of a carriage,plus any steps going in and out of the houses. I was thinking smallish hoop... Victorian dress is encouraged for this event,and I'd like it to be of a usable style for a Dickens street faire that happens a month later. Any ideas for a "fancy,but not too fancy-as if going to a ball "type outfit and WHo makes the pattern. I'd have to be able to have it done by Jan.8 th. I'm about a "5 out of 10" rank sewer. I know my way around a machine, I pre-shrink, I occassionally sew the arms on backwards, but I DO catch it :~> Me: I stand 5 ft tall, no heels, petite frame, short waist and arms.Full bust, proportionate waist and hip. I have lt.auburn hair, sallow complexion,short neck. That's me in a nut shell. I'd have to be able to get the pattern quickly,so... God yes I'm gonna say it... If there is a big 3 pattern you all think would work...give me a yell please. I always end up having no garb, as I am always making it for others, and just mish-mash,mundane stuff I have to "resemble " where I'm "playing",for me. This time I'd like to have my own special outfit,just this once. Thanks for listening, Melody.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 04:41:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE9fJgT013898 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:41:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE9eW2L012861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE9eNtn043443; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBE9eFNW043372 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:40:04 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197925DA@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress Thread-Index: AcThSAP+T3nNaHQATmyy1lTfcZTMGwAeH+7Q content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Y'know....I've never read it. Hmmmmm... > > I wonder where that image we all conjure up of him comes > from. I know it must > be described in the book but y'know how illustrations cement in an > image....like Alice in Wonderland and the Tenniel drawings. My favourite image of Alice is from an edition published in the 1920's. She's depicted as this thin waif-like figure in a pale-coloured print dress..... I liked it so much it seems to have overwritten my conditioned imprint of the Tenniel Alice. Though Dodgeson's own illos for the original manuscript he gave Alice Liddel were quite nice, if not overly artistically talented. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 05:02:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEA24b9019814 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:02:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEA152L013715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:01:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEA0tXQ051388; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEA0rUa051284 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:00:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.90]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F70E2628A5 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:00:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c4e1c3$c708ede0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4D48D156-4D54-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:00:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO He, I am not interrested in viking age, but i know that Birka is a location in Sweden. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book How about Illerup Adal? This is a condensation, in English, of what had been a 9 volume set in German showing the finds of an archeological dig in Jutland. Lots of great stuff, but not clothing. I don't have it on my web site, but I do carry it. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 05:18:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEAINGj024219 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEAHc2L014637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEAHV4C058336; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEAHSjg058236 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7C10F97@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Birka Book Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:17:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I cannot recall any recently published books on Birka, but have you asked at the Historiska varldar forum (english sub-forum far down on page) or at Norsefolk? Someone there ought to know. Is it any specific subject you are interested in? http://www.historiska.se/histvarld/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk_2 Good luck, and let us know what you find. /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 06:44:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEBiddc017049 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:44:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEBhO2L002232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:43:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEBhEKA094616; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:43:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEBhCeU094563 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.bd.4cfef910 (4362) for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:43:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:43:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nice and EZ pattern for Dicken's fest To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/14/2004 3:56:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: If there is a big 3 pattern you all think would work...give me a yell please. Take a look at Simplicity 4851. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 08:32:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEDWctU031153 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:32:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEDVj2L009005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:31:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEDVWOf044825; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEDVS6F044781 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.90]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D47447FECE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:31:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c4e1e1$3f6659e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:31:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stomacher finished X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Today i finally finished the stomacher. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm You can click the pictures to enlarge......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 09:31:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEEVCtm031735 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEEUM2L012882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEEUIJQ076009; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEEUGHl075935 for ; 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Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:29:38 PST Received: from [4.158.21.179] by webmail29.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:29:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.21.179] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:29:07 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041214.072938.5923.228359@webmail29.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:861433638 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 9a4fde0b026f0abf2f6f034ea7030e4e434e6a178bae0bae0f5fe7fe7febb36ffe0ae737d7020a4b5e2a9fabf72aaadf9aaa1adfdbefdeb7cade8a4afac373ca738b8bc33b9f9baaaf5a2a7717fa0b57270b6e0f8eebce27ce7f7f6bb3e77be77f676f7f67022f67022f6bcaf3eac7730b1f0b1e57eb9e6e0bce23875aef5a37bb0737bbbe9fbbbefbd3aa135eabda5e1a1aabdbdadbdb4e3e371fbe5bc3ca73936b73f3f3938b6b8b X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As usual, your work is stunning!! I'd love to be able to see it up close and personal, will it be in the US at some point? Karen -- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: Hi, Today i finally finished the stomacher. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm You can click the pictures to enlarge......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 10:39:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEFdbWs032573 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:39:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEFYM2L018322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:34:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEFYHOS019001; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBEFVOoF016912 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA58B3RAVEZKVA for (sender ); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:30:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgu05uKqYuF7jsNpI//CaZB4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KETR9QRS; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:29:57 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:14:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Message-ID: <20041214.072854.1624.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 10:5:4142735664 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 212d794149f90c3c8149e141d81d85e19dc1c9486871c959691c594d69e8d9150da1158c9c5d6c25a125e5e56cf548d159b5a9c938fc5d08bd0008012d6d0c8d008df9f9d53c412c41f9b881f9b88558b88558d5a1e9b1192508b9087dbd0c4501088d9995a9d9a9d898f8d898c84898c8 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh. My. God. It's perfect. How lovely! Arlys, in awe On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:31:41 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi, > Today i finally finished the stomacher. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > You can click the pictures to enlarge......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:03:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG36W6000400 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEG0s2L021587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG0mLW039687; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p01m171.mxlogic.net (p01m171.mxlogic.net [216.173.230.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBEG0gom039580 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p01m171.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.5.0-63) with SMTP id e2e0fb14.165026.35200.p01m171.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20845 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 16:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.8) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 16:00:41 -0000 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:40 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC0FAD@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: stomacher finished Thread-Index: AcTh80IH4Qx1hMfERoCVsR3ObgkGOgAAm6og From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 16:00:40.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F58F8B0:01C4E1F6] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBEG0gom039580 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: stomacher finished X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Today i finally finished the stomacher. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm You can click the pictures to enlarge......... Bjarne WOW. Can I be you if I grow up? ;) Where do you find your inspirations? I imagine that your personal library is the envy of many! Kate A dark shade of chartreuse with envy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:05:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG5rFM000451 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:05:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEG3p2L021943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:03:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG3o4E042252; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG18l2039851 for ; 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Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:07:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEG5I2L022147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:05:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG5Ge2043388; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG18l3039851 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004121416010301500ror9ne>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:01:03 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:00:57 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:00:57 +0000 Message-Id: <121420041600.29851.41BF0E39000350120000749B22058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *Sigh* So wonderful..... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > Today i finally finished the stomacher. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > You can click the pictures to enlarge......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:08:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG8hPa000481 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:08:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEG772L022373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG72WK044887; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:07:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG18l4039851 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004121416010801500ruabee>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:01:08 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.115; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:00:46 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:00:46 +0000 Message-Id: <121420041600.3911.41BF0E2E00093A5B00000F4722007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *Sigh* So wonderful..... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > Today i finally finished the stomacher. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > You can click the pictures to enlarge......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:09:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG9dkZ000497 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:09:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEG8l2L022520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:08:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG8lq6046275; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG2mwZ041234 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBEG2ID07530 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:02:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:01:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Birka Book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7C10F97@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Message-Id: <60E49772-4DE9-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all, Thanks for all the input! I recall the book was a translation of Geijer or Hald, but I could be wrong. (Maybe it's not as new as I thought) I will check around some more and report back what I find. Thanks again! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:15:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGF3KA000581 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEGE72L023110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGE0Oo050447; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEG8Rlk046030 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8415A138798; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:08:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust63.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.63]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 95B0E13877A for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:08:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <14d701c4e1f7$38621420$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B037595BE@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Books early-mid 1500s Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:08:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! I do believe this book will be a huge help to me with an upcoming project. C'mon, book budget, regenerate.... -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: >I double checked this -- most but not all pictures have date, title, >location and artist. I'm not sure why some of them don't. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:20:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGKcTr000678 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEGJP2L023744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGJLTg055450; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGJFQk055309 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004121416191001500rtprge>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:19:10 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.118; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:18:09 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:18:09 +0000 Message-Id: <121420041618.4921.41BF1241000A91BC0000133922007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] oops...looks like a button's stuck... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I"m gonna try and figure out why my email keeps resending the stomacher response.. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 11:54:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGs0m0001118 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:54:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEGrB2L028439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:53:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGr1mU086400; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGqs7v086144 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.90]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C02F2262854 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:52:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005401c4e1fd$5444ff80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:52:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stomacher finished X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As usual, your work is stunning!! I'd love to be able to see it up close and personal, will it be in the US at some point? Karen Thanks Karen. Well i actually am making this for a lady who lives on Manhattan in New York, so perhaps you would bump into her sometime when she goes to a ball? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 12:10:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEHAdYq001295 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEH0m2L029169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:00:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEH0YoZ092881; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGuP9b089275 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.42] (p26.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.42]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBEGt6v32169 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:55:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <000801c4e1e1$3f6659e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000801c4e1e1$3f6659e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:02:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beautiful, as usual, Bjarne. You might want to change the spelling of "mock-up". You've got it as "muck up", which gives it an entirely different and totally, when describing your work, inappropriate meaning ;-) Sylrog On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Today i finally finished the stomacher. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > You can click the pictures to enlarge......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 12:13:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEHDXnW001320 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEHCd2L000603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEHCZjg003927; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEHCWFa003881 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.148] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CeGDv-0001xa-Cp for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: <010201c4e200$14f3dce0$94159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c4e1e1$3f6659e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:12:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bf3277e4602c2aa16e74db130982f9532350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.148 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Magnificent, as usual. And more to come. I can't wait to see the finished dress- this one looks to be even more incredible than the one you just completed for the museum. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 12:28:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEHS2uB001443 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:28:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEHMV45001527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGvmv1090469; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGuBGO089104 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.90]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B3A0247FE6B for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:56:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005b01c4e1fd$d0f921a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC0FAD@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: stomacher finished Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:56:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > WOW. > > Can I be you if I grow up? ;) > > Where do you find your inspirations? I imagine that your personal > library is the envy of many! > > Kate > A dark shade of chartreuse with envy Dear Kate, I have ben collecting books about embroidery the last few years, and also a subscription for an australian embroidery magazine called Inspirations. It has ben very inspiring for me, it is loaded with gorgeous embroideries.......... Hope your shade has turned back to normal :-) Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 13:47:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEIlVUf002025 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:47:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEIkQ2L010725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEIkDKW087832; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEIk8WN087749 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.22]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CeHgU-0003r6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:46:06 -0800 Message-ID: <32684189.1103049966541.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:46:06 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Absolutely beautiful! The birds are fantastic and made me smile... Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Dec 14, 2004 6:31 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] stomacher finished Hi, Today i finally finished the stomacher. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm You can click the pictures to enlarge......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 14:14:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEJEhkn002381 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEJDf2L013370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEJDaoG014251; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEJDXI6014213 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.22]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CeI71-0007Es-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:13:31 -0800 Message-ID: <4016941.1103051611797.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:13:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] oops...looks like a button's stuck... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBEJDXI6014213 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hiccups. Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Elena O'Tighearnaigh Sent: Dec 14, 2004 9:18 AM To: Costume Historical Subject: [h-cost] oops...looks like a button's stuck... I"m gonna try and figure out why my email keeps resending the stomacher response.. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 15:15:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKFmLM002995 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:15:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEKF52L020476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKEqkh068552; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKEjlx068381 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f5a.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.90]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D5F15EE025 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:14:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c4e219$92fe0fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:14:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] your feedback X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, You have ben absolutely wonderfull with all your phraises and responds with the stomacher. I thank you of all my heart! It is so lovely that i have you all to show my work, i sit here alone and have no others to share. Leif has seen so much of my things, so i cant impress him anymore :-) Now if only you could help me with a dilemma of mine. You probably all have followed the embroidery i made with the pale blue duchesse satin i have embroidered with chenille. I have made 1/2 a front, (left side) I planned to make a copy of Gustav III's weddingsuit of it. Well i dont like it! And i have ben given it many thoaghts. I would like to trash this projekt, i know it is a shame with the embroidery i have made all ready, but i really want to make something else of the fabric. I have 6 meters left of it, and it is 140 cm. wide so i could have plenty if i made a later suit, like the suit i have made last. I just found a lovely motif i could make it with, with the flowers of the gum tree. I would make it with the flat japanese silk thread.... What do you think? Thanks for your advises Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 15:32:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKWDVo003184 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEKVF2L021941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:31:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKV7VA083405; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKV3aY083332 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.22]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CeJK1-000256-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:31:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1854335.1103056261430.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] your feedback Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think you should make what you want to make - there is no joy in working on something you don't like! Perhaps the embroidery you have already done can be recycled into something else? Some sort of small items, gifts, whatever, and then even that won't have been wasted! Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Dec 14, 2004 12:14 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] your feedback Hi, You have ben absolutely wonderfull with all your phraises and responds with the stomacher. I thank you of all my heart! It is so lovely that i have you all to show my work, i sit here alone and have no others to share. Leif has seen so much of my things, so i cant impress him anymore :-) Now if only you could help me with a dilemma of mine. You probably all have followed the embroidery i made with the pale blue duchesse satin i have embroidered with chenille. I have made 1/2 a front, (left side) I planned to make a copy of Gustav III's weddingsuit of it. Well i dont like it! And i have ben given it many thoaghts. I would like to trash this projekt, i know it is a shame with the embroidery i have made all ready, but i really want to make something else of the fabric. I have 6 meters left of it, and it is 140 cm. wide so i could have plenty if i made a later suit, like the suit i have made last. I just found a lovely motif i could make it with, with the flowers of the gum tree. I would make it with the flat japanese silk thread.... What do you think? Thanks for your advises Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 15:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKaBwI003211 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:36:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBEKYs2L022290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEKYqLB086749; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50407.mail.yahoo.com (web50407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBEKYGAp086131 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84215 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 20:34:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4tpwMrSQjTUz/HN3CqBQpGlmWPmhNe9l3xrCddNCYnvzyPiWQ12DwykmX1O1evOisJ4XEtDh3GvCTiUjypYr1ChmD+tIrcNjyLuvQGDCVXciW4XssbpLHNfRiHK1mS/AOL4mCkyIg/OLkkyhh9XSXuRMlhYPR1YQH6Aj3/azcmk= ; Message-ID: <20041214203409.84213.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.102] by web50407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:34:09 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] your feedback To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000a01c4e219$92fe0fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, In my small experience, if you're not happy with the project/outfit-you won't wear it or use it afterwards. So change projects if you've got the fabric to do so. I'm sure you could find willing people to adopt the embroidery already done. They could possibly integrate it into something else, and be able to say that part was embroidered by Bjarne! Angharad/wolfcat (definitely part of that crowd of possible adopters) --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I planned to make a copy of Gustav III's > weddingsuit of it. > Well i dont like it! And i have ben given it many > thoaghts. > I would like to trash this projekt, i know it is a > shame with the embroidery > i have made all ready, but i really want to make > something else of the > fabric. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 19:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF0BnrI005257 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:11:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF0An2L017915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF0AEuF011624; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf32.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf32.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF0ACZw011534 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip09.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf32.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBF0A5x6024516 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:10:05 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip09.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 19:10:05 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.87,143,1099285200"; d="scan'208"; a="484046225:sNHT15459008" Message-ID: <000601c4e23a$6bcf1310$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c4e1e1$3f6659e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:10:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/629/Tue Dec 14 12:01:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/629/Tue Dec 14 12:01:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is gorgeous. You did a wonderful job. Can't wait to see the finished product. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] stomacher finished > Hi, > Today i finally finished the stomacher. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > You can click the pictures to enlarge......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 20:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF1967i005651 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:09:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF18D2L022369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF17qcJ064984; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF17oA4064413 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.167.226]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041215010746.GPNQ1542.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c4e242$adcf9d40$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vogue Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All! I just picked up a "Vintage Vogue" pattern (#2354). Has anyone here made this, and if you have do you have any pointers/tips/warnings about the pattern and the fit? http://store.sewingtoday.com/cat/itm_img/V2354.jpg I have a lovely dark blue 'tessa' satin, I plan on using the matte side for the dress, with the accent/skirt flare in the satin. I plan on having this done for January for a party my Mom is having (She's wearing a real vintage dress from roughly the same year, I figured we should look related ;-) Thanks! Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 20:19:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF1JqPD005733 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF1Iu2L023240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:18:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF1Ina2034888; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF1ELpm013272 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:14:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2125505 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:14:16 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:14:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Pattern From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c4e242$adcf9d40$cb6afea9@sherry> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This dress is on my to-do list, but I haven't made it yet. Please send us a report! And pictures if possible. I'd really love to see it made up! LynnD On 12/14/04 5:08 PM, "Shane & Sheridan" wrote: > Greetings All! > > I just picked up a "Vintage Vogue" pattern (#2354). Has anyone here made > this, and if you have do you have any pointers/tips/warnings about the > pattern and the fit? > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cat/itm_img/V2354.jpg > > I have a lovely dark blue 'tessa' satin, I plan on using the matte side for > the dress, with the accent/skirt flare in the satin. > > I plan on having this done for January for a party my Mom is having (She's > wearing a real vintage dress from roughly the same year, I figured we should > look related ;-) > > Thanks! > > Sheridan > > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > You are only young once, > but you can stay immature indefinitely. > > Ogden Nash > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 22:26:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF3Q44Z006773 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF3PT2L004150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:25:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF3PJM7060349; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF3PGZx060251 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.55.68874444 (4362) for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:25:09 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <55.68874444.2ef10895@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:25:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/14/2004 4:48:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Teddy@mdx.ac.uk writes: > My favourite image of Alice is from an edition published in the 1920's. > Arthur Rackhem? Great Illustrator! And I love Ralph Steadman's pen & inks for both Alice books and "The Hunting of the Snark. But even he does his own take on the Tenniel. Here are some links.... the Amazon has some of the book's pages you can view. Amazon.com: Books: Alice in Wonderland Ralph Steadman -|- B O O K S _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 14 23:02:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF4218q007037 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF40o2L006982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF40le7078712; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBF3vv98077189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBF53oG2018221 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:03:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] your feedback Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:15:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <000a01c4e219$92fe0fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000a01c4e219$92fe0fc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412142315.42418.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 14 December 2004 3:14 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > You have ben absolutely wonderfull with all your phraises and responds with > the stomacher. I thank you of all my heart! It is so lovely that i have you > all to show my work, i sit here alone and have no others to share. Leif has > seen so much of my things, so i cant impress him anymore :-) We're glad to give you an appreciative audience for your work. > Now if only you could help me with a dilemma of mine. > You probably all have followed the embroidery i made with the pale blue > duchesse satin i have embroidered with chenille. I have made 1/2 a front, > (left side) I planned to make a copy of Gustav III's weddingsuit of it. > Well i dont like it! And i have ben given it many thoaghts. > I would like to trash this projekt, i know it is a shame with the > embroidery i have made all ready, but i really want to make something else > of the fabric. I have 6 meters left of it, and it is 140 cm. wide so i > could have plenty if i made a later suit, like the suit i have made last. > I just found a lovely motif i could make it with, with the flowers of the > gum tree. I would make it with the flat japanese silk thread.... > What do you think? I wholeheartedly agree with the person who said, go ahead and do a new project. There's nothing worse than forcing yourself to finish a sewing project you dislike and no longer have any interest in. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 06:25:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFBPUZ8016129 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:25:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFBO82L000223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:24:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFBNvpK085992; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFBNsaC085862 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFACC80DB for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:23:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41C01EB7.20203@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:23:35 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My Polonaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have pictures from my new dress. Last saturday my husband and I went to a Christmas party and we went in 18th century clothing. We got a lot of nice compliments and had lots of fun. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18woman/Polonaise/Robe.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 06:34:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFBYUkt019398 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:34:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFBXk2L000689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:33:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFBXhMa090550; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFBXf1g090501 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121511333501400eajbie>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:33:35 +0000 Message-ID: <00c401c4e299$e9a3b430$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41C01EB7.20203@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:33:34 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, I love the fabric print that you chose for the corset!!!!!!!!!!! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 08:14:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFDElRO004933 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:14:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFDBT2L006991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFDBK2P040038; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFDBGqU039976 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from reholliday@lineone.net) Received: from mk-cpfront-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.6]:41530 helo=mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeYvq-0000MA-NX; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:11:06 +0000 Received: from [195.157.53.197] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:11:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:11:05 +0000 Message-ID: <41871D4E000B6D36@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> From: "Rachel" To: "costume historic" , "needlework historic" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBFDBGqU039976 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Books on Ecclesiastical Embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for books on ecclesiastical embroidery in England both before and after the reformation and was wondering if anyone could recommend any good sources, journals as well would also be great. I have come accross the following book:Clothed in Majesty: European Ecclesiastical Textiles from the Detroit Institute of Arts by Peter Barnet. Has anyone heard of it and is it any good? Thanks Rachel Threads of History www.threadsofhistory.co.uk ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! 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X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > I just picked up a "Vintage Vogue" pattern (#2354). Has anyone here made > this, and if you have do you have any pointers/tips/warnings about the > pattern and the fit? > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cat/itm_img/V2354.jpg I made this dress in a real hurry this September (as in, I decided in the afternoon that I needed another dress for the event I was going to the next day and sewed it up that evening/night). First, I should say that I'm not really used to sewing from commercial patterns. Not to say that I haven't made a few outfits, but I usually just fiddle about with shapes and make my clothes through a process of trial and error. I'm a bit short-waisted and always have to shorten commercial patterns by a couple of inches in the waist, which this pattern doesn't make allowances for so I had to redraft. If you don't have to do this you should have an easier time of it. I struggled a bit because I live alone and don't have a dressmaker's dummy, so fitting myself is sometimes a bit of a pain. One thing I will advise is to measure the pattern pieces themselves before making any alterations. (I always tell others this, but then I just stupidly and lazily go ahead and skip that step myself...) Judging from the measurements given on the pattern envelope I needed to enlarge it somewhat, which I did - and ended up with a skirt so huge in the waist that I just left one of the panels out in the end; then it fit perfectly. Which probably means that there was no need to enlarge it in the first place, however this was as I said a bit quick-and-dirty so I can't be sure. :) > I have a lovely dark blue 'tessa' satin, I plan on using the matte side for > the dress, with the accent/skirt flare in the satin. I'm not sure what a "tessa" satin is, but I used a crepe back satin with the matte side for the dress and the accent in satin as you describe. The dress actually turned out quite nice, although not perfect, in the end despite my hurried alterations. So if I can do it in one night you should have absolutely no problem getting it done before January. :) Good luck! Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 09:28:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFESTTs005891 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFERW2L011443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:27:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFERMhC077841; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:27:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFERKYJ077824 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iBFERHq1000330 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:27:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041215092534.00b98060@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:27:17 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" From: M Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would understand. : > Mari / Bridgette Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 09:41:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFEfBq8005996 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:41:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFEeO2L012248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:40:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFEeJRS085445; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFEeHVi085406 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25924 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:52:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:52:33 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041215092534.00b98060@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, M Stewart wrote: > Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost > devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would > understand. : > I know that feeling! I am swimming in riches. In the past two weeks I have received "Woven into the Earth," the new edition of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England," and a review copy of a collection of essays on medieval/renaissance clothing and culture (the product of a conference of a few years ago). I'm swamped in work and haven't had a chance to look at *any* of them yet. I'm hoping I will have time over the holidays. Oh, wait, I'm self-employed. I don't get holidays... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 09:58:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFEwIXZ006146 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:58:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFEvX2L013413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFEvScO095553; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFEvP5O095498 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:54:33 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alice illos (WAS:1864 girl's dress) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197925E9@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Alice illos (WAS:1864 girl's dress) Thread-Index: AcTitXAMEeMVN0gfRj+IIDoSFTJr9gAAE2dw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > My favourite image of Alice is from an edition published in the > > 1920's. > > > > Arthur Rackhem? Great Illustrator! Now tht you mention it, it may well have been a Rackham - certainly in that style - All my Alice books are in storage (along with most of my other books - ) so I can't check. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 10:51:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFFpnnK006775 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:51:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFFp32L019619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFFor0m033329; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFFopQJ033251 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7b.3a9b2624 (4402) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:50:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3a9b2624.2ef1b752@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:50:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1864 girl's dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooops....I forgot I can't just drag links into the e-mails on H-costume... Here are the Ralph Steadman links.....which [of course] have nothing to do with costuming. Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1552977544/002-0192701-1304872?v=glance Ralph Steadman: http://www.ralphsteadman.com/01books.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 11:07:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFG7G4A006971 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:07:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFG5I2L021083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:05:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFG59HW044435; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFG571U044335 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.a3.690f17ee (4402) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:04:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:04:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very elegant! That 1st pic of you in it is luscious! The absence of period details like engagents and a bit of chemise at the neckline makes the dress almost look modern albeit very romantic. I know you have lavished the dress with period detail so I don't mean this "modern" comment as an insult in any way. But without the lacy accessories, you could wear it on the red carpet at the Oscars. Just lovely. With the lacy bits, you could wear it in "Le Nozzi di Figaro", Contessa. Remember a while back when evening dresses had almost real 18th century bodices...conical shaped with no darts and they HAD to be boned. I can remember a fashion ad with Geena Davis in an off white one...bare foot [????????.....fashion photography! Good Grief!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 12:41:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFHf8Z9007957 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFHdu2L002105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFHddp5033363; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFHdaRd033109 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CD031A08B for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:39:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41C076C7.3070709@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:39:19 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I actually left out the period details on purpose :-) . Because it was a normal party. My husband was in his Captain Jack Sparrow coat with modern pants and shirt and a almost period vest. I thougt it would be better to wear the clothing with a touch of modern fun. And I think it worked. :-) Greetings, Deredere AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Very elegant! That 1st pic of you in it is luscious! The absence of period >details like engagents and a bit of chemise at the neckline makes the dress >almost look modern albeit very romantic. I know you have lavished the dress with >period detail so I don't mean this "modern" comment as an insult in any way. >But without the lacy accessories, you could wear it on the red carpet at the >Oscars. Just lovely. > >With the lacy bits, you could wear it in "Le Nozzi di Figaro", Contessa. > >Remember a while back when evening dresses had almost real 18th century >bodices...conical shaped with no darts and they HAD to be boned. I can remember a >fashion ad with Geena Davis in an off white one...bare foot >[????????.....fashion photography! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zOdC8goHunAJ3cK0kfarZwEM3MkagK0ho6h/AO8cXEZFLw8GA5VkzPOAgAUNBHZQZuCTWoTnrSiobZhd/3ASyd0Dji7eur62HOn+2Ll/SyHA3RoY4hi73gdMdNP5maLaawrx/6gWx+UGNiLaEdjLmpLWVVZiBftcGpQItScwwm8= ; Message-ID: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.74] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:57:51 PST Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41C01EB7.20203@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great job! You look fantastic and so does the 'bunny'. Question, did you find the back of the corset tough to fit? I have been wanting to make one, but keep shying away, chicken that I am. Thanks for sharing, Chris G. Deredere Galbraith wrote: I have pictures from my new dress. Last saturday my husband and I went to a Christmas party and we went in 18th century clothing. We got a lot of nice compliments and had lots of fun. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18woman/Polonaise/Robe.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Bm6gsiP9xn6OA7jc1rFKOsbN7dg5crcSqzWdf171G0q+mCQEcYNCBmLt/cu04VRxl3y3MTbGsPFuS6qLbeIMjshbe3N9roppz5RsNpjvOLG10gXaejAVPjoa3bXFy5nNcJ96aYwPWaKkdflrrfELjFlDEvh8fbWE+GVRER2jbNU= ; Message-ID: <20041215183510.65272.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.74] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:35:10 PST Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041215092534.00b98060@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *Big Smile* I got mine last Friday and did the same thing. Spent way to much time over the weekend with my nose in that book. Isn't it GREAT? I'm re-reading now at a MUCH slower pace. :) Chris G. M Stewart wrote: Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would understand. : > Mari / Bridgette Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 13:43:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFIhqPG008307 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFIh32L009279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFIgqkR091625; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:42:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFIgjLJ091524 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.21]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cee6l-0003R0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:42:43 -0800 Message-ID: <836554.1103136163812.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:42:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 15:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooo, pretty! The colors are a little off on my monitor - is the gown pale blue? silver? The fabric is spiff... Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Deredere Galbraith Sent: Dec 15, 2004 4:23 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] My Polonaise I have pictures from my new dress. Last saturday my husband and I went to a Christmas party and we went in 18th century clothing. We got a lot of nice compliments and had lots of fun. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18woman/Polonaise/Robe.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 14:43:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFJhTN2008705 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:43:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBFJgK2L017952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:42:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFJgDu4061458; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFJgBo4061325 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4483940154; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:45:12 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBFJfkZo093678 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041215114103.01d34a68@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:45:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: Re: [h-cost] A question for Bjarne.... In-Reply-To: <000c01c4dec9$26e60ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <41B93DC4.2050406@in-tch.com> <000c01c4dec9$26e60ca0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2EAC1BD2; boundary="=======598067E1=======" X-Declude-Sender: gusgus@lightspeed.ca [209.53.208.35] X-Declude-Spoolname: D944803940154708e.SMD X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=======598067E1======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2EAC1BD2; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Bjarne, I was wondering if you provide me with the publication information on= =20 the book you mentioned: Fru Kirstens B=F8rn : Misses Kirstens Children , so I can hopefully find it= =20 closer to home. 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Version: 6.0.806 / Virus Database: 548 - Release Date: 12/5/2004 --=======598067E1======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======598067E1=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 20:34:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG1Yio9011479 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:34:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG1Vv2L008767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:31:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG1VdLa063210; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG1VToL063055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBG2bUvo026983 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:37:30 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:49:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <5.2.1.1.2.20041215092534.00b98060@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041215092534.00b98060@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412152049.22212.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 15 December 2004 9:27 am, M Stewart wrote: > Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost > devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would understand. I was at a science fiction convention and one of my favorite book dealers had it, so I bought it. You're right. It's truly excellent---but I haven't had the time to "devour" it all yet. Lucky you.... :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 20:41:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG1fEGS011536 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG1eL2L009694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:40:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG1eHYa068820; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG1XNML064286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBG2dO2i027067 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:39:24 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:51:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412152051.16694.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 15 December 2004 10:52 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, M Stewart wrote: > > Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost > > devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would > > understand. : > > > I know that feeling! > > I am swimming in riches. In the past two weeks I have received "Woven into > the Earth," the new edition of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England," and a > review copy of a collection of essays on medieval/renaissance clothing and > culture (the product of a conference of a few years ago). I ordered "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" from Amazon, but they haven't told me they've got it yet. Just as well--I still have Christmas presents to pay for. :-) > > I'm swamped in work and haven't had a chance to look at *any* of them yet. > I'm hoping I will have time over the holidays. Oh, wait, I'm > self-employed. I don't get holidays... Make time. "Woven" alone is worth it, and it sounds as though you've got a real gold mine to dig through. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 22:28:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG3SaVv012451 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:28:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG3Rh2L019887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:27:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG3RW0o036737; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBG3RTtj036705 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48596 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2004 03:27:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sr7aOCihzCrEZDmpxcf8LBnE14poo4M8qxJLowGwxikMgNmhOi7kNL9DX59OsDBUodQKk2eT89VcN6lQJdFKlFgG/3TUJIkZuTp39G61lVDyIOkO88KbBHxMQIKEvG+k49VDL8H9cOuIDQ8QyWTMSmN1uKjoqDDrT/Bp4lM6DCI= ; Message-ID: <20041216032728.48594.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.143] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:27:28 PST Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200412152051.16694.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... Thanks! Chris G. Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2004 10:52 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, M Stewart wrote: > > Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost > > devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would > > understand. : > > > I know that feeling! > > I am swimming in riches. In the past two weeks I have received "Woven into > the Earth," the new edition of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England," and a > review copy of a collection of essays on medieval/renaissance clothing and > culture (the product of a conference of a few years ago). I ordered "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" from Amazon, but they haven't told me they've got it yet. Just as well--I still have Christmas presents to pay for. :-) > > I'm swamped in work and haven't had a chance to look at *any* of them yet. > I'm hoping I will have time over the holidays. Oh, wait, I'm > self-employed. I don't get holidays... Make time. "Woven" alone is worth it, and it sounds as though you've got a real gold mine to dig through. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 23:14:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4EZdx012803 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:14:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG49b2L022703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:09:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG49VGO061254; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:09:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG49Ndj061129 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBG49Fdb016397 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:09:15 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:04:30 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200412151443.iBFEhaPm087232@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: feedback X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne: I think you should cut out the piece that you have already made, mount it on silk of a contrasting color, and frame it! It would look like a piece left over from an antique tailor's shop, and it would be gorgeous. Then make whatever you want out of the rest of the fabric, and have a lovely piece of art for your apartment. Or . . . you could sell the framed piece on ebay (I bet someone from this list would buy it) and use the money to buy more embroidery silk! Gail Finke PS: The stomacher is SO lovely. I think the sketch of the dress is beautiful too! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 23:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4NC5Z012862 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:23:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG4MJ2L023840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4MGM6068853; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4MB45068811 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.165.141]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041216042210.PJDC1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: <009d01c4e326$d116a0c0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: feedback Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:22:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, If the coat is almost finished and mostly sewn together, you could always finish it and sell it to someone, work as good as yours should find a buyer fairly easily. Otherwise I agree with everyone else, take what you have and cut it apart for its embroidery, take the rest of your fabric and make something you will be happy with. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 23:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4VWM4012937 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:31:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG4UV2L024270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4ULoE073400; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav24.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4UKM1073353 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:30:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:29:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041216032728.48594.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:29:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:29:30 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 04:30:14.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0597240:01C4E327] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBG4VWM4012937 Status: RO >From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... According to the publisher, as of about a week and a half ago, the copies for America are on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic. (So maybe by now they're at the publishers or sitting on a dock in New Jersey...) They were not expected to be to booksellers in time for Christmas sales. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 23:45:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4jApN013025 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG4du2L025057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:39:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4dpmK079412; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4dnc5079346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBG5jnir000893 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:45:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:57:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20041216032728.48594.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041216032728.48594.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412152357.42601.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 15 December 2004 10:27 pm, Chris wrote: > From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, > have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... No, I got "Woven into the Earth." I'm still waiting for Amazon to send me "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England." -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 23:47:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4l6Mc013040 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:47:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG4k42L025509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4k1Nc083114; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4eTbS079730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBG5kVYw000907 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:46:31 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: feedback Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:58:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412152358.24024.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 15 December 2004 11:04 pm, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Bjarne: > > I think you should cut out the piece that you have already made, mount it > on silk of a contrasting color, and frame it! It would look like a piece > left over from an antique tailor's shop, and it would be gorgeous. Then > make whatever you want out of the rest of the fabric, and have a lovely > piece of art for your apartment. > > Or . . . you could sell the framed piece on ebay (I bet someone from this > list would buy it) and use the money to buy more embroidery silk! You certainly could! (I'd buy it, if I had wall space left, or money). :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 15 23:53:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4r1CH013089 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:53:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG4q82L025985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4q5SH086743; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:52:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG4jfHe082817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBG5pgGt001160 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:51:42 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:03:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20041216032728.48594.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412160003.35105.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 15 December 2004 11:29 pm, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, > have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... > > According to the publisher, as of about a week and a half ago, the copies > for America are on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic. (So maybe by now > they're at the publishers or sitting on a dock in New Jersey...) They were > not expected to be to booksellers in time for Christmas sales. I checked on Amazon right after I sent my post, and the US Amazon web site is claiming that it will deliver my copy between December 20 and January 7. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 00:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG5NBnf013337 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:23:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG5M32L027988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG5Lxsk004085; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG5Lvvm004043 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m6.in-tch.com [216.166.191.6]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBG5JdN25371 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:19:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41C11C93.6020107@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:26:43 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking forward to that feeling, myself. Kris Kringle visited my house with his credit card yesterday, so to speak, and will be delivering (in January) the "Woven Into the Earth" book, the Gale Owen-Crocker book, and what I think is probably the same compilation that Robin's referring to (although I'd have to look at the receipt to be sure of the title, and it's on the computer at work). Plus an advanced-order for the first volume of the new journal we're all so eagerly awaiting ;o) Boy, howdy, did I (uh, Santa) qualify for free shipping! Oh, and Robin, Happy Hanukkah. --sue, looking forward to post-holiday days, when she can get back to working on a new outfit.... Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, M Stewart wrote: > > >>Hi folks... Finally got my copy of "Woven into the Earth"!!!! Almost >>devoured it last night. Just had to tell someone who would >>understand. : > > > > I know that feeling! > > I am swimming in riches. In the past two weeks I have received "Woven into > the Earth," the new edition of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England," and a > review copy of a collection of essays on medieval/renaissance clothing and > culture (the product of a conference of a few years ago). > > I'm swamped in work and haven't had a chance to look at *any* of them yet. > I'm hoping I will have time over the holidays. Oh, wait, I'm > self-employed. I don't get holidays... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 00:50:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG5oIQt013552 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:50:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG5jl2L029862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:45:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG5jcfE018902; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG5jZq5018849 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00762 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:57:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:57:54 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! In-Reply-To: <200412152051.16694.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > I am swimming in riches. In the past two weeks I have received "Woven into > > the Earth," the new edition of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England," and a > > review copy of a collection of essays on medieval/renaissance clothing and > > culture (the product of a conference of a few years ago). > > I ordered "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" from Amazon, but they haven't > told me they've got it yet. Just as well--I still have Christmas > presents to pay for. :-) I don't know if it's shipping officially yet. I got mine from an inside source (the author!). It may well be the only copy on this side of the pond so far. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 01:08:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG68NQk013715 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:08:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG64p2L001227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:04:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG64k4g029731; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG64euw029644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBG7AgK4004535 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:10:42 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:22:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412160122.35045.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 16 December 2004 1:57 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: [snip] > > I ordered "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" from Amazon, but they haven't > > told me they've got it yet. Just as well--I still have Christmas > > presents to pay for. :-) > > I don't know if it's shipping officially yet. I got mine from an inside > source (the author!). It may well be the only copy on this side of the > pond so far. > Ah, yes. It's good to know the author. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 01:12:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG6C6nP013752 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBG6B12L001592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG6Avch033047; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBG6Ahco032895 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00986 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:23:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:23:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41C11C93.6020107@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More book news (was: FINALLY!!!!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I'm looking forward to that feeling, myself. Kris Kringle visited my > house with his credit card yesterday, so to speak, and will be > delivering (in January) the "Woven Into the Earth" book, the Gale > Owen-Crocker book, and what I think is probably the same compilation > that Robin's referring to (although I'd have to look at the receipt to > be sure of the title, and it's on the computer at work). The one I have is this: Clothing Culture, 1350-1650 Catherine Richardson, ed. https://www.ashgate.com/shopping/title.asp?key1=&key2=&orig=results&isbn=0%207546%203842%201 (Sue, if you have something else, let us know what it is, please!) I actually had a copy of this one in hand a few months ago (and read part of it then), as I was asked to review it for another journal. After I had a look at it, I passed that honor on to a scholar whose specialty area is closer to that of the other journal, who could better address the interests of that audience. Then I decided that I should review it for _Medieval Clothing & Textiles,_ so I ordered my own review copy (which is what arrived last week). Despite the title, most of the papers focus on 16th c. or so, and many are very theoretical (literary symbolism, etc.). K'zoo and Leeds regulars will recognize some of the authors. Now, I have a nice tidbit via a colleague in England. Does anyone here recall "The Inventories of Henry VIII," edited by David Starkey? You'll find an incomplete entry for it here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1872501893/qid%3D1103176949/104-6818051-8175153 The publication was intended to be two volumes (or maybe three -- I can't remember if illustrations were going to be separate). The first volume, which appeared in 1998, was the transcript of the inventory itself. The second volume was to be the analysis -- with contributions from some of the top experts in the various material culture fields relevant to the inventory's contents (which include clothing, among other things). Anyway, the promised Vol. 2 did not appear in 2002 as planned, and all discussion of it seemed to drop off the map. Then yesterday I heard that the project has been revived and is now in process again. My source is one of the contributors, so is reliable. I bought a copy of Volume 1 -- which is *enormous* -- at Kalamazoo in May 1999, and (reluctantly) sold it to a member of this list last year, when I realized I was probably never going to use it and I really should invest the money in books I needed more. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 05:14:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGAEtHd003644 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:14:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGADZ2L020248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:13:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGADOWc066008; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGADJcn065857 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:13:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.189]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id iBGAD3UI029868 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:13:04 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c4e357$acb94760$bd93d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:22:47 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello to all the Regency experts out there (and everybody else) I have a dress which I made from Simplicity's Ever After pattern (8735) this was one of my first attempts at SCA garb but I don't want to wear it for SCA purposes anymore as it has darts (which are inappropriate for pre 17th century clothing) I thought I might be able to convert it into something passably regencyesque for another group I'm involved with where polyester satin wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb. So far I know I've got to re-pleat the skirt to concentrate the pleats at the back leaving the front flat, but what should I do about the bodice. I could extend the dart to create a faux princess seam pointing to either the corner of the neckline or the arm seam or just leave the dart as it is. Does anybody have any suggestions for somebody who knows nothing about Regency beyond what I have seen on TV and looking at Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion once or twice. I know it's not ideal for the purpose but I don't want to throw out this dress and this is the only way I think I'll ever wear it again. Thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 06:04:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGB4nBH016439 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:04:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGB402L029085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGB3tX5094662; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGB1VVE093363 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F11E47C3 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:01:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41C16B04.1000309@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:01:24 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise References: <836554.1103136163812.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <836554.1103136163812.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! The fabric is a pale blue with just a touch of green and the outlines of the leaves are gold metallic. I put a scan from the fabric on my webpage. Frank and Tracy Thallas wrote: > Oooo, pretty! The colors are a little off on my monitor - is the gown pale blue? silver? >The fabric is spiff... > >Liadain > >-----Original Message----- >From: Deredere Galbraith >Sent: Dec 15, 2004 4:23 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] My Polonaise > >I have pictures from my new dress. >Last saturday my husband and I went to a Christmas party and we went in >18th century clothing. >We got a lot of nice compliments and had lots of fun. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18woman/Polonaise/Robe.html > >Greetings, > Deredere > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 06:21:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBLiEa020497 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:21:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGBKL2L029910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBKABV004419; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:20:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBK7ob004330 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226A8E4816 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:20:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:20:01 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise corset References: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO :-) That little Bunny is my Back pack. You can see more of them here http://www.mystictimes.nl/MysticBunny.html About the corset. I unfortunally find the wole corset tough to fit. Fhirst I had reeds for boning in my corset but I've got some awfull bruses on my hips. I think the corset may be to schort for me. But the back looks to high. I just don't know where every thing really schould be. Like how long the corset has to be to sit right. How high the neckline or back schould be... The reeds made the corset to thick an I decided to take al boning out and replace the front and some of the back boning by metal. I didnt put any boning on the sides. But now the corset doesn't seem to give the right support. It just makes me look flat :-( . I wonder if that artificial boning stuf would be right. I think metal isn't flexibale enough and reeds are tho thick. I wish that someone could make a drawing of a womans body and put lines on where wich line of corset schould be. How high the neckline, where the waist, where the corset schould end so it doesn't dig in the hips, where the straps schould be placet, how high the back schould be...... Would make it a lot esear to make a pattern fit . In every period it seems to be different what silhouette the corset should give. Chris wrote: >Great job! You look fantastic and so does the 'bunny'. Question, did you find the back of the corset tough to fit? I have been wanting to make one, but keep shying away, chicken that I am. > >Thanks for sharing, >Chris G. > >Deredere Galbraith wrote: >I have pictures from my new dress. >Last saturday my husband and I went to a Christmas party and we went in >18th century clothing. >We got a lot of nice compliments and had lots of fun. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18woman/Polonaise/Robe.html > >Greetings, >Deredere > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 06:26:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBQPmw021436 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:26:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGBPW2L000262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:25:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBPSdX007622; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBGBKu8l004808 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@24.43.236.144 with login) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 11:20:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c4e361$517e48a0$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041216032728.48594.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <200412152357.42601.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > On Wednesday 15 December 2004 10:27 pm, Chris wrote: > > From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, > > have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... > > No, I got "Woven into the Earth." I'm still waiting for Amazon to send me > "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England." When I ordered mine (about two weeks ago) they were saying 3-5 weeks for delivery. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 06:58:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBwNYJ003972 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGBvd2L001625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:57:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBvUQ7024165; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGBvSnc023981 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.157]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041216115712.WZXA17352.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:57:12 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.104.156]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041216115711.FMBW20123.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:57:11 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.296 [265.5.4]); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:57:17 +1300 Message-ID: <002201c4e366$63b28630$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise corset Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:57:16 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > That little Bunny is my Back pack. > You can see more of them here > http://www.mystictimes.nl/MysticBunny.html eek! I want one:) It reminds me a *lot* of an anime bunny of some sort.... I'm just not sure which... perhaps one of Chii's companions? > But now the corset doesn't seem to give the right support. It just makes > me look flat :-( . > I wonder if that artificial boning stuf would be right. > I think metal isn't flexibale enough and reeds are tho thick. I would recommned either artificial whale bone or cable ties. When you have as many boning channels as you do have, the cable ties are certainly rigid enough. I wish I had a photo of me wearing my stays alone, but I used about 100 cable ties to make up the Effigy corset for under my Spanish garb: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm And it is incredibly comfortable. I just need to cut the tabs a little higher so the top edge of the stays sits lower (it digs into my armpit a bit much just now.) The support is such that I am given the conical shape, but it's soft enough that it doesn bruise or poke about too much. So those are my findings. I think your polonaise is lovely too btw:) The colours and the shaping is so simple and flattering:) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.4 - Release Date: 15/12/2004 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 07:37:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGCbSX6010407 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGCae2L004256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGCaVAO046419; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGCaS1I046347 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE67931980E for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:36:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41C18145.1040507@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:36:21 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise corset References: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> <002201c4e366$63b28630$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <002201c4e366$63b28630$0301010a@michaela> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: >>That little Bunny is my Back pack. >>You can see more of them here >>http://www.mystictimes.nl/MysticBunny.html >> >> > >eek! I want one:) It reminds me a *lot* of an anime bunny of some sort.... >I'm just not sure which... perhaps one of Chii's companions? > > Yup! They were my inspiration to make the bunnies. I sell the bunnies for 40 Euros and they come with one dress. There can skweek if you press them by the neck :-) . We have also different collours like offwhite, dark grey and dark brown >I would recommned either artificial whale bone or cable ties. > >When you have as many boning channels as you do have, the cable ties are >certainly rigid enough. > > Thanks! I think I will try the plastc boning next time. It indeed looks like it does give the right support without making thick. >I wish I had a photo of me wearing my stays alone, but I used about 100 >cable ties to make up the Effigy corset for under my Spanish garb: >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm > > It looks very pretty! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 08:21:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDL8UM010772 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGDK72L006221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:20:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDJugL068217; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDJfl1068042 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB656600096; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:19:33 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.108 ([209.131.81.108] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 16 Dec 04 13:19:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c4e371$f5fe2660$6c5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c4e357$acb94760$bd93d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:20:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But there is a lot of yardage in the skirt..I don't think that the bodice or sleeve could successfully make the transition. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:22 AM Subject: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume > Hello to all the Regency experts out there (and everybody else) > I have a dress which I made from Simplicity's Ever After pattern (8735) this > was one of my first attempts at SCA garb but I don't want to wear it for SCA > purposes anymore as it has darts (which are inappropriate for pre 17th > century clothing) I thought I might be able to convert it into something > passably regencyesque for another group I'm involved with where polyester > satin wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb. > So far I know I've got to re-pleat the skirt to concentrate the pleats at > the back leaving the front flat, but what should I do about the bodice. I > could extend the dart to create a faux princess seam pointing to either the > corner of the neckline or the arm seam or just leave the dart as it is. > Does anybody have any suggestions for somebody who knows nothing about > Regency beyond what I have seen on TV and looking at Janet Arnold's Patterns > of Fashion once or twice. I know it's not ideal for the purpose but I don't > want to throw out this dress and this is the only way I think I'll ever wear > it again. > Thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au > > Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am > sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he > pleases. > Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to > apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 08:53:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDrlJK011041 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:53:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGDqd2L008319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDqVSu086729; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDqTwo086665 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynoure@tuug.fi) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 458A4C3B4E; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:52:26 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:52:26 +0200 (EET) From: Lynoure Braakman To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise corset In-Reply-To: <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: References: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > I think the corset may be to schort for me. > But the back looks to high. I just don't know where every thing really > schould be. I think the back looks fine. It's supposed to be rather high compaterd to the front. Lenghtwise, lenghtening the front at the bottom so that the sides stay at the level they are now (and front tabs would be a little lower) might do the trick. > But now the corset doesn't seem to give the right support. It just makes me > look flat :-( . Horizontal bones are annoying to put in but they make world of a difference in support. But before that you might want to try lifting your breasts in mid lacing. That can help too, as it makes sure the breast are supported high instead of pressed down. > I wonder if that artificial boning stuf would be right. > I think metal isn't flexibale enough and reeds are tho thick. I really like artificial whalebone in pre-19th century corsets. And there are many widths of it... the narrowest I got is just 3 mm wide. > How high the neckline, where the waist, where the corset schould end so it > doesn't dig in the hips, where the straps schould be placet, how high the > back schould be...... Apart fron the lenght, diggin in the hips can be cause d by couple of things, e.g. too short tabs. If the tabs start too much below your waist they are likely to dig in. And if you have prominent hip bones, try not to have tabs end so that they rub in that area. -- Lynoure Braakman lynoure@tuug.fi http://www.lynoure.com (a costumer and corset maker in Finland) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 09:01:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGE1GC1011115 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:01:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGE0Q2L008801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:00:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGE0KoF091398; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGE0FpL091344 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2inik3e.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.80.110] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CewAv-0004lm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:00:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200412161023.iBGAMX1A071827@net.indra.com> References: <200412161023.iBGAMX1A071827@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:00:07 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: fastusminimus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: anglo saxon dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 3:23 AM -0700 12/16/04, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I ordered "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" from Amazon, but they haven't told me >they've got it yet. Just as well--I still have Christmas presents to pay >for. :-) Wally World (higher priced than Amazon) is listing 2/28 as the pub date....Just as well as Rose Whippet impaled herself on a stick and had mega vet $$$....and the Bress book on coverlets is out... WAHHAAAAAAA so many books so little money! Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 09:30:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGEUXTs011365 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:30:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGETh2L010538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGETd1M008957; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGETas8008929 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m239.in-tch.com [216.166.191.239]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBGERMN05743 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:27:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41C19CF2.4080207@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:34:26 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More book news References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooh, that's *not* the one I was getting....which was something else entirely (book on Anglo-Saxon crafts). I'm definitely going to look for that book on Clothing Culture, though! I did find these two others, though, which I put on a "wish list" for my family, who knows I like books, but can't keep track of which ones I have and don't have.... "Medieval Fabrications : Dress, Textiles, Clothwork, and Other Cultural Imaginings (The New Middle Ages)" by E. Jane Burns and "Encountering Medieval Textiles and Dress: Objects, Texts, Images" by Desiree G. Koslin. Have you heard of these? Any opinions? --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > >> I'm looking forward to that feeling, myself. Kris Kringle visited >> my house with his credit card yesterday, so to speak, and will be >> delivering (in January) the "Woven Into the Earth" book, the Gale >> Owen-Crocker book, and what I think is probably the same >> compilation that Robin's referring to (although I'd have to look at >> the receipt to be sure of the title, and it's on the computer at >> work). > > > The one I have is this: > > Clothing Culture, 1350-1650 Catherine Richardson, ed. > https://www.ashgate.com/shopping/title.asp?key1=&key2=&orig=results&isbn=0%207546%203842%201 > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 10:05:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGF5VsO011749 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:05:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGF4Q2L013277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:04:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGF4FQs031846; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGF4Dkp031820 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04836 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:16:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:16:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More book news In-Reply-To: <41C19CF2.4080207@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oooh, that's *not* the one I was getting....which was something else > entirely (book on Anglo-Saxon crafts). I'm definitely going to look > for that book on Clothing Culture, though! Sue, I'd love to get details on the A-S book; we might want to review it. > "Medieval Fabrications : Dress, Textiles, Clothwork, and Other > Cultural Imaginings (The New Middle Ages)" by E. Jane Burns Not out yet, I think; I asked for a review copy some weeks ago but haven't heard back from the publisher. Page is here: http://www.palgrave-usa.com/catalog/product.aspx?isbn=1403961875 Jane Burns is the author of "Courtly Love Undressed" and a world-class scholar best known for her work in 12th c. French literature. Her research has expanded to address things like textile trade in this period (we were delighted to have her in a DISTAFF session on Cloth Trade at K'zoo last year), though her focus is often on the cultural, symbolic, and rhetorical significance of dress and textiles in this period. This book is a collection of papers by many scholars (including many names, and a few papers, familiar to K'zoo attendees). The description on the Palgrave site will give you a sense of its focus and level. There will probably be a few nuggets for the practical costumer here (e.g. on sumptuary law and trade, and quoted references to costume that may be useful in their own right), but most appears to be analyses of symbolic and theoretical issues. > "Encountering Medieval Textiles and Dress: Objects, Texts, Images" by > Desiree G. Koslin. This is has been out for several years now. Page is here: http://www.palgrave-usa.com/Catalog/product.aspx?isbn=0312293771 It's another essay collection, again with a heavy emphasis on lit crit and art history. I saw most of these papers at K'zoo when first presented. The book will have some useful bits for people doing work in certain areas but, again, mostly focuses on the theoretical rather than practical issues of costume. A word of warning: Often the people who do serious and well-respected work on dress/textile topics in literature, art history, and social history are not familiar with current work and practical issues of clothing and textiles. Costumers may be surprised and disconcerted when they stumble across outdated or incorrect statements about what was worn and how it was made. This reflects the severe contamination of the existing literature on costume history with decades-old unsupported assumptions. That doesn't mean that the rhetorical analyses are not valid; it does limit the usefulness of the work to the practical costume researcher. Still, you can often get a lot of good primary source references (quotes from documents and literature, for instance) even from a paper that has no bearing on practical aspects. On the other hand, many practical costumers could benefit from a better understanding of how dress references were used for rhetorical and symbolic purposes in literature and art, and how that affects the use of pictures and literaary quotes as practical sources. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 10:47:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGFlPSp012007 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:47:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGFkb2L016920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:46:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGFkX5l062846; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:46:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGFgG2D059384 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AD2425D5 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41C1ACC2.8070400@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:41:54 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume References: <000001c4e357$acb94760$bd93d6cb@ewalpole> In-Reply-To: <000001c4e357$acb94760$bd93d6cb@ewalpole> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I have a dress which I made from Simplicity's Ever After pattern (8735) this > was one of my first attempts at SCA garb but I don't want to wear it for SCA > purposes anymore as it has darts (which are inappropriate for pre 17th > century clothing) I thought I might be able to convert it into something > passably regencyesque for another group I'm involved with where polyester > satin wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb. Which version of the pattern did you make? If I recall, there were three bodice variations and some sleeve-like things. Do you have any of the fabric left over, or can you get more of it? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 13:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIRb1B013580 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:27:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGIQn2L004061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:26:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIQXf1027626; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIQPTP027392 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B004133A40 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix, from userid 89) id DF20233AD2; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id ED24B33B4B for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:26:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001401c4e38b$f3227ee0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:25:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Water embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've finished the last of the series of four wall embroideries I designed. 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Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 13:41:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIfLWG013732 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGIef2L005474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIeTpQ039970; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11707.mail.yahoo.com (web11707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBGIbCpw036998 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73636 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2004 18:37:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Janet. I greatly appreciate the information Chris G. JAMES OGILVIE wrote: >From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... According to the publisher, as of about a week and a half ago, the copies for America are on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic. (So maybe by now they're at the publishers or sitting on a dock in New Jersey...) They were not expected to be to booksellers in time for Christmas sales. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200412160003.35105.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks again and I'm going to check on mine right now. Ohhhh I can NOT wait to see what's been updated. Have a Wonderful Holiday Everyone! Chris G. Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2004 11:29 pm, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > From whom did you get your copy of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England"? I too, > have a copy on order from Amazon, but it is not to be had... > > According to the publisher, as of about a week and a half ago, the copies > for America are on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic. (So maybe by now > they're at the publishers or sitting on a dock in New Jersey...) They were > not expected to be to booksellers in time for Christmas sales. I checked on Amazon right after I sent my post, and the US Amazon web site is claiming that it will deliver my copy between December 20 and January 7. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 13:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGImNNw013790 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGIlh2L006171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:47:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIlfo0046580; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav40.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIgADu041490 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV40.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:40:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] More book news Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:40:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:40:53 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2004 18:41:01.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA3E1260:01C4E39E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBGImNNw013790 Status: RO > "Medieval Fabrications : Dress, Textiles, Clothwork, and Other > Cultural Imaginings (The New Middle Ages)" by E. Jane Burns Not out yet, I think; I asked for a review copy some weeks ago but haven't heard back from the publisher. Page is here: http://www.palgrave-usa.com/catalog/product.aspx?isbn=1403961875 Actually, it is out - I got a copy from my wholesale distributor in November. Better nag them again for your review copy. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 13:56:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIunXT013901 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGIu42L007288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:56:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGItwwH053918; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11702.mail.yahoo.com (web11702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBGIgtiM042252 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67345 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2004 18:42:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RGPmCI5NOq3lsIO5Xd9AorIoavejhrZrErbx0h+bCVLJFN3HUN/h1AKFdlYRwYH1j7S/bepxMO7JOhmGq9gHoK2qxg+e6d7BctDJD/BZyc9mseyWxRaagE7Faj2/hJ50B46zhTH0F6L0G4FL2YXTYYcTEyX+dwPl+Jssm3qf4NQ= ; Message-ID: <20041216184254.67343.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:42:54 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY!!!! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ahhh and good for you :-) Yes, definitely a good treasure! Robin Netherton wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > I am swimming in riches. In the past two weeks I have received "Woven into > > the Earth," the new edition of "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England," and a > > review copy of a collection of essays on medieval/renaissance clothing and > > culture (the product of a conference of a few years ago). > > I ordered "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" from Amazon, but they haven't > told me they've got it yet. Just as well--I still have Christmas > presents to pay for. :-) I don't know if it's shipping officially yet. I got mine from an inside source (the author!). It may well be the only copy on this side of the pond so far. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. 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Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 14:29:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGJTVQb014153 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:29:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGJSd2L010909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGJSUgd082524; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGJSQT1082474 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBGJSKlw005606; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:28:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> From: "ailith" To: "green belts" , "tree" , "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:28:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] magician clothing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, y'all. I've gotten a query from a friend regarding appropriate clothing for a magician during the "high Middle Ages". Does anyone have any ideas of even where to begin looking--any references, etc? I'm pretty much at a loss--this is way out of my area of interest. Any help would be greatly appreciated! With regards, ailith/kate Should we complain that there are thorns on the rose bush or should we rejoice that the thorn bush has roses? ~ unknown _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 14:43:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGJh01P014255 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGJd62L012142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGJd30W092567; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:39:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGJcx3j092515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBGJXsTA016959 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:33:54 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:33:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41C1E451.8090401@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:38:57 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? References: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> In-Reply-To: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ailith wrote: > I've gotten a query from a friend regarding appropriate clothing for a > magician during the "high Middle Ages". He would have been learned to be an alchemist, so probably mid-to-upper middle class. So he should dress like an upper middle class person from wherever and whenever, I think. I get this sort of question a lot from kids doing reports for school. I'd be happy to hear if y'all have other answers or books to check. (I usually send them to _Life in a Medieval City_.) There seems to be some idea that everyone had uniforms unique to their job (not merely useful clothes in addition to whatever their social position was, like an apron for a baker, or whatever.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Are you at peace with your role in the food chain? Would you like a t-shirt with a medieval horseman and hawk on it? A mug which tells you which way to the Egress? http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 15:36:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGKaQvm014820 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:36:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGKZN2L017743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:35:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGKZ6sq041323; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGKYwhF041190 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07458 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:47:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:47:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More book news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > Actually, it is out - I got a copy from my wholesale distributor in November. Better nag them again for your review copy. Thanks, Janet. I've just done so. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 15:53:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGKrnwF015105 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:53:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGKpk2L019465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGKpfhg055939; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBGKpb4M055866 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sidoniaros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21635 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2004 20:51:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hF2794LiGMjvnzdixv6Uc1ZSN1wFDZwGCkrb+Zf58yLCG1M6i0FADNSH8IgXa9pOXtM7NUTjovF3OxOHKFirwzZJ7ypACkmdomoNKeJHsOSRrtLua+e3cJlYul4Aog5QRJaB8hb/UmHdDsj0HuK+cB3I0f7Ciy+x6QofEBchXUE= ; Message-ID: <20041216205135.21633.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.215.205.10] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:51:34 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ghislaine-SCA To: apprentice@yahoogroups.com, tree , Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: [Apprentice] magician clothing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings! If I may, there truly is no "magician's garb" or at least nothing very distinctive that exists in the Middle Ages or in the Renaissance. Magician's were known for their abilities, but not for their clothing unlike, Rom fortune tellers of the time or fools. Magician's/magic entertainers wore everyday attire. If you wish more information regarding effects or history, please don't hesitate to ask. Ghislaine, Apprenticed for Medieval/Renaissance performance magic to Master Juan Santiago, Laurel for Magic, Kingdom of the West. --- ailith wrote: > Hey, y'all. > > I've gotten a query from a friend regarding > appropriate clothing for a > magician during the "high Middle Ages". Does anyone > have any ideas of > even where to begin looking--any references, etc? > I'm pretty much at a > loss--this is way out of my area of interest. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > With regards, > ailith/kate > > Should we complain that there are thorns on the rose > bush or should we > rejoice that the thorn bush has roses? > > ~ unknown > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 16:20:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGLKQQS015426 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:20:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGLJk2L022347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGLJdln080240; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGLJZ54080183 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-207.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.207]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGLJVCM019296 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:19:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041216131321.0245ab40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:19:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? In-Reply-To: <41C1E451.8090401@thibault.org> References: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I've gotten a query from a friend regarding appropriate clothing for a >>magician during the "high Middle Ages". > >He would have been learned to be an alchemist, so probably mid-to-upper >middle class. So he should dress like an upper middle class person from >wherever and whenever, I think. I saw a print from the 1600s, I believe, and it showed the alchemist as a poor person scraping money together to do each experiment, and ending up in the poor house. His clothes, and that of his family, also shown, were raggy working class clothes. Obviously an unsuccessful alchemist. I don't think there were any actual magicians or wizards in the "high Middle Ages", altho I seem to recall that people were burned at the stake because of this assumption. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 17:50:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGMoOw2016468 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGMgt2L029874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:42:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGMgh1K051068; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGMgbmi050892 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.138.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.138] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id iBGMgNWV024141 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:42:23 +1100 Message-ID: <001001c4e3c0$5b58f8c0$8a92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c4e357$acb94760$bd93d6cb@ewalpole> <41C1ACC2.8070400@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:41:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > > I have a dress which I made from Simplicity's Ever After pattern (8735) this > > was one of my first attempts at SCA garb but I don't want to wear it for SCA > > purposes anymore as it has darts (which are inappropriate for pre 17th > > century clothing) I thought I might be able to convert it into something > > passably regencyesque for another group I'm involved with where polyester > > satin wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb. > > > Which version of the pattern did you make? If I recall, there were three > bodice variations and some sleeve-like things. Do you have any of the > fabric left over, or can you get more of it? > Dawn I made the one with the U shaped neckline (I think it's view B but it's not labelled on the picture) If you look at the picture here http://snipurl.com/bf69 (the full URL is http://www.simplicity.com/designNavigator.cfm?designId=10642&design=8735) the I made the bodice from the one on the bottom right and the sleeves from the one on the left. You can see the dress in it's current incarnation at http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/simplicity.htm It's the second review from the top and the photo is thoroughly unflattering. I don't have any scraps and I doubt I could get any more of this fabric as I bought it about 4-5 years ago, I could have a look as poly satin is something they always have in stock, but matching the colour may not be possible. (although Kathleen has suggested removing some of the fullness from the skirt rather than just re- pleating it would be a good option so I could possibly use some fabric out of the skirt to cover the worst of the bodice's imperfections) I have sewn in the sleeves from this pattern before (for a temporary makeover from Italian ren to Regencyish) it is possible but it doesn't allow much give and I think the seam would be under a lot of strain. But when I was looking at the Regency movies (BBC's P&P and Persuasion) I noticed a few dresses with gauzy sleeves in a similar colour to the body of the gown, so might that be an option? Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 17:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGMvHAg016518 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGMpU2L000897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:51:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGMpOKi058634; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGMlJVx054923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBGMgBTA017932 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:42:11 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:42:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41C21072.3010808@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:47:14 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? References: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> <4.3.1.2.20041216131321.0245ab40@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20041216131321.0245ab40@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I saw a print from the 1600s, I believe, and it showed the alchemist as > a poor person scraping money together to do each experiment, and ending > up in the poor house. But there were also wealthy alchemists, like John Dee, by that time. > I don't think there were any actual magicians or wizards in the "high Middle Ages", altho I seem to recall that people were burned at the stake because of this assumption. Right. I suppose she could ask her friend exactly what the friend thinks about magicians in the middle ages, and narrow things down that way. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent A third of all American visitors to Scotland believe haggis is an animal. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 18:31:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNVQl7016852 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGNPY2L004185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNPTUK087437; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBGNMYUY084908 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail05.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.145]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA6EGFAAAMHFFJ for (sender ); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:22:08 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgifZKD9JniHKqJqMeQGpHIr4Si1s583CA== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail05.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KEZRZYAV; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:21:09 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail05.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:20:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:20:46 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041216.152109.20029.261329@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2564728406 X-MAIL-INFO: 1d3e3f3b83fa1f875af79b9fef775bba7e076befbb1a3363270f0bae6eebae571b6e7aeb7a7ada3af3db5f2f237b6f028f6f2b4b020e8f0e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: Hi Elizabeth, Based on the photo, I'd definitely repleat the skirt and discard the current sleeves. I'd make myself a little mannish shirt to go underneath it, worn in jumper fashion (American jumper/dress) and whip up a cute little Spencer jacket of a coordinating material to wear over it. Trim a little bonnet to match and call it good. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > > I have a dress which I made from Simplicity's Ever After pattern (8735) ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 18:34:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNYctZ016876 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:34:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGNXi2L004845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNXeDL093791; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:33:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNVHiP091933 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1dd.3317c285 (25711) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:31:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.3317c285.2ef374ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:31:06 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/16/2004 6:27:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: I'd make myself a little mannish shirt to go underneath it, worn in jumper fashion (American jumper/dress) and whip up a cute little Spencer jacket of a coordinating material to wear over it. Trim a little bonnet to match and call it good. Ah, yes, the oft-overlooked jumper. Rather common in English fashion plates. That could work, too. Probably wouldn't even need the spencer. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 18:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNZ4p7016883 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGNUE2L004582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:30:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNUDCE091249; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNUBaq091156 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1a2.2caf9d39 (25711) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:30:00 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.2caf9d39.2ef37478@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:30:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/16/2004 5:48:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au writes: But when I was looking at the Regency movies (BBC's P&P and Persuasion) I noticed a few dresses with gauzy sleeves in a similar colour to the body of the gown, so might that be an option? I haven't ever seen contrast sleeves--I have, though, seen sheer undersleeves tied on under the short sleeve of the gown. These separate sleeves, though, are usually white, I believe. Satin isn't very common in the early 19th century, either. And unless this is a strictly costume event you are planning to wear it to, polyester satin kind of shouts its presence, I think. (I shouldn't talk, though. As I confessed on this list a while ago, I once made a very sketchy impression of an 18th century ballgown in KNITTED poly satin, with zipper no less. OUCH!) It is probably a LOT more work than you want to do, but you COULD make a whole sheer white overdress of a filmy cotton (look at Target for Indian cotton curtains--great yardage cheap) and use your existing dress as the underdress (called a slip, but cut more or less like the dress, not what we think of as the slip). Make the modifications to the skirt you discussed, and cut the sleeves short, or remove them--I have seen one of these slips that was sleeveless. Leave the overdress perfectly plain, or tart it up for the 1810s with silk flowers to match the slip, tucks, or whatever. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 18:41:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNftM6016943 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:41:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGNbQ2L005126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:37:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNbIFL096861; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBGNY1R9094072 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sidoniaros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39358 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2004 23:34:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41C21072.3010808@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I may, there was a distinct difference in the attitude that folks held for magicians and alchemists in period (pre 1600). Magicians were entertainers. Alchemists were philosophers and scholars. Sorry for not expounding more here, but I'm at work and am limited on time. I should write more extensively this evening. Mdm Ghislaine --- Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > I saw a print from the 1600s, I believe, and it > showed the alchemist as > > a poor person scraping money together to do each > experiment, and ending > > up in the poor house. > > But there were also wealthy alchemists, like John > Dee, by that time. > > > I don't think there were any actual magicians or > wizards in the "high Middle Ages", altho I seem to > recall that people were burned at the stake because > of this assumption. > > Right. > > I suppose she could ask her friend exactly what the > friend thinks about > magicians in the middle ages, and narrow things down > that way. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > A third of all American visitors to Scotland believe > haggis is an animal. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 18:59:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNx770017030 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGNtc2L006719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:55:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNt8j2010935; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGNt57A010800 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:55:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F57425D5 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41C22039.5000504@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:54:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume References: <000001c4e357$acb94760$bd93d6cb@ewalpole> <41C1ACC2.8070400@reddawn.net> <001001c4e3c0$5b58f8c0$8a92d6cb@ewalpole> In-Reply-To: <001001c4e3c0$5b58f8c0$8a92d6cb@ewalpole> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > I made the one with the U shaped neckline Bearing in mind that what I know about this period would fit into a thimble, this is what I suggest: look through some fashion plates and nail down a specific image with the same neckline, and look around for a couple images from the same year and find a small puffy capped sleeve. You want something like the red dress on this page: http://www.songsmyth.com/patternsgowns.html The idea here is to find something with trim details to copy. From what I've seen there is usually a little delicate lace or something around the neckline, and coordinating ribbon or something on the sleeve and the waist. And then maybe ribbon or lace at the hem. Styles seem to change dramatically from year to year during this period, so I wouldn't do too much picking and choosing from across the decades. Then cut up the sleeves you currently have and make the capped version. You'll probably have to piece the sleeves, but I think there will be enough and you might be able to hide the seams with trim. Add a shawl and a bonnet and you should be all set. Butterick has a couple of bonnet patterns, one of them should be adaptable for the period. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 19:10:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH0AtHr017098 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH05O2L007658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:05:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH05GfW018919; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBH054l9018645 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail05.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.145]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA6EJXCAFYC77J for (sender ); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:04:50 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgifZKD9JniHsXuK4iR8bzJk/czqNGeO1A== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail05.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KEZUGWKE; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:04:16 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail05.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:03:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:03:25 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041216.160416.20029.261574@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1801697248 X-MAIL-INFO: 01277a8e7fa33f277b7f43fe67d72b7abefebf2b5e8f7b2b4e436fa7dba73e87cffb9ba73ff73f4b5a375bcf075aaf9b8bcff7af5f5e33afd3977eda6eda1a8ab7db4adacb1ecbdfca730ab7f3cac74a02b71ec7d717eea3ae3e8b6e27670f1bebd79b8efeb337ebe72b7a4b13be5ebef7ab97f7abdadfabdadf4b2f43fbe3bf834a833b77079bef83bb1a8b6b1e6bc79ea3c79e0fae9e0f737aeb27ced71bceb36fd77f1b7f7f638ac74a0f0e8f2fbf4e4bbf43ba4ea74ba7 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The only reason I suggested a Spencer was that it would cover a multitude of costuming sins on the bodice. And I really like little Spencer jackets......so I guess that's two reasons. 8-) Karen -- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2004 6:27:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: I'd make myself a little mannish shirt to go underneath it, worn in jumper fashion (American jumper/dress) and whip up a cute little Spencer jacket of a coordinating material to wear over it. Trim a little bonnet to match and call it good. Ah, yes, the oft-overlooked jumper. Rather common in English fashion plates. That could work, too. Probably wouldn't even need the spencer. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 19:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH0fiEZ017323 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:41:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH0XS2L009838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH0XHFl038442; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH0X3wn038277 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-92-34.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.92.34]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH0Wv1t014211 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:32:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041216162828.031c3130@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:30:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? In-Reply-To: <41C21072.3010808@thibault.org> References: <4.3.1.2.20041216131321.0245ab40@mail.frys.com> <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> <4.3.1.2.20041216131321.0245ab40@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I saw a print from the 1600s, I believe, and it showed the alchemist as a >>poor person scraping money together to do each experiment, and ending up >>in the poor house. > >But there were also wealthy alchemists, like John Dee, by that time. Proving that we can't fix this profession in any one social class. That makes the choices broader. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 20:09:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH19VcP017490 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:09:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH13q2L011880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH13fld058326; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH13cE7058265 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC5D1652D for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:03:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041216163441.01e2b800@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:42:18 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: References: <41C11C93.6020107@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII era garment books (was: More book news) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Robin, You are a godsend! You have provided me with more books to add to my ILL research list for a project I am working on (early Tudor garments/ Henry VIII focus). I only wish my budget would allow me such high end books... maybe for my birthday in the Spring, if I can hint loudly enough to my husband. If you hear any more on the Henry VIII will Vol 2, please let me know. What snippets Cunnington has given from Henry's will in her book has whetted my appetite for more. I would love to see the analysis from experts in the field. And yes I finally got my copy of the Cunnington book on 16th Century clothing. It really is an incredible book. Finally, a book of that time frame that really has detailed what was worn, what it was called, when it was worn, when popular in court, or worn in the country, etc. Why I took so long to finally get this book ... well, the price was why. But I am so happy with it, I have already devoured quite a chunk in one day. However, the books I have read recently have really been contrary to each other in some respects, which isn't a surprise. Even Cunnington confuses me regarding kirtles vs gowns. How does one deal with the inconsistencies with regards to historical garments that really only can be dealt with by looking at images, wills, statues, brasses, etc. and little to no extent garments? I am taking notes as I read, so I may come to this list with specific queries later. Thanks so much, Kimiko At 01:23 AM 12/16/2004 -0600, you wrote: >> >Clothing Culture, 1350-1650 >Catherine Richardson, ed. >https://www.ashgate.com/shopping/title.asp?key1=&key2=&orig=results&isbn=0%207546%203842%201 > >> >Now, I have a nice tidbit via a colleague in England. Does anyone here >recall "The Inventories of Henry VIII," edited by David Starkey? You'll >find an incomplete entry for it here: > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1872501893/qid%3D1103176949/104-6818051-8175153 > >The publication was intended to be two volumes (or maybe three -- I can't >remember if illustrations were going to be separate). The first volume, >which appeared in 1998, was the transcript of the inventory itself. The >second volume was to be the analysis -- with contributions from some of >the top experts in the various material culture fields relevant to the >inventory's contents (which include clothing, among other things). > >Anyway, the promised Vol. 2 did not appear in 2002 as planned, and all >discussion of it seemed to drop off the map. Then yesterday I heard that >the project has been revived and is now in process again. My source is >one of the contributors, so is reliable. > >I bought a copy of Volume 1 -- which is *enormous* -- at Kalamazoo in May >1999, and (reluctantly) sold it to a member of this list last year, when I >realized I was probably never going to use it and I really should invest >the money in books I needed more. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 20:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1Blnc017505 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH19k2L012465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:09:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH19hrK061920; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH13cWa058274 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CA416627 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:03:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041216170125.00b0e710@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:02:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] stomacher finished In-Reply-To: <000801c4e1e1$3f6659e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Lovely as always. Thanks for sharing your beautiful work with us. Kimiko At 02:31 PM 12/14/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, >Today i finally finished the stomacher. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >You can click the pictures to enlarge......... > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 20:17:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1HtwR017564 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:17:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH1D02L012681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1CxrF063946; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH13cvP058272 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B40716922 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:03:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041216165306.00b0e710@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:54:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Water embroidery In-Reply-To: <001401c4e38b$f3227ee0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Lorina, At 11:25 AM 12/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: > I've finished the last of the series of four wall embroideries I >designed. Water can be found at: >http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_33.html Wow, that is just incredible. Thanks for sharing your lovely work with us. > Now, to design myself a modern, female version of an early 18th century >waistcoat. I have some cream wool/silk twill, an embroidery pattern from the >wedding garments of The Dauphin in 1754, and very itchy fingers. :-) That sounds interesting. Have a photo of the wedding garments you could share? >Regards >Lorina >Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage >fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery >supplies >(519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 20:27:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1RpRY017635 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:27:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH1M42L013272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1M0xp069330; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1LvMk069284 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09707 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:34:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:34:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII era garment books (was: More book news) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041216163441.01e2b800@64.87.54.245> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Kimiko Small wrote: > I only wish my budget would allow me such high end books... maybe for > my birthday in the Spring, if I can hint loudly enough to my husband. ILL is probably the best way to go for the Inventory unless you're doing long-term, in-depth work. Still, it's over 500 pages, meaning it would take longer to go through it than your ILL might allow you, and Xeroxing would be prohibitive (particularly since the type is small and the pages big, IIRC. If there's a university library near you that has it, you might be able to do some extensive research there, on multiple visits. If you don't have access to WorldCat or the equivalent, let me know where you are and I'll see if I can direct you to a catalogued copy. As for buying, an alibris search turns up a copy at $156, which is the lowest I've seen. abebooks has another at $180. They range up to $325 or so at the moment. > If you hear any more on the Henry VIII will Vol 2, please let me know. I'll notify the list if I hear progress. The contributor I got my information from is still writing her section; the topic came up because she wants to footnote a paper that's scheduled to appear in our journal in *2006.* I frankly wouldn't be surprised if that issue of the journal hits print well before Vol. 2 of the Inventory does. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 20:38:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1cnaO017711 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:38:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH1UD2L013699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:30:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1UAx9074271; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH1U7jd074208 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m136.in-tch.com [216.166.191.136]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBH1RlN28396 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:27:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41C237BC.4010101@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:34:52 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Water embroidery References: <001401c4e38b$f3227ee0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <001401c4e38b$f3227ee0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my, Lorina, they're exquisite! What kind of embroidery do you want to do on the waistcoat? There's one that's also 18th c., IIRC, that I've always wanted to do myself, in a similar vein, but the entire thing is white, surface embroidery and pulled- and drawn-thread work. mmmmmm...... --sue, going back to working on her first knitted shawl.... Five Rivers wrote: > I've finished the last of the series of four wall embroideries I > designed. Water can be found at: > http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_33.html > > Now, to design myself a modern, female version of an early 18th century > waistcoat. I have some cream wool/silk twill, an embroidery pattern from the > wedding garments of The Dauphin in 1754, and very itchy fingers. :-) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 21:06:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH26S6L017941 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH21A2L015785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH20vqA094195; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH20tF2094126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBH20os5023270 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:00:50 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Henry VIII era garment books (was: More book news) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:15:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heh, Heh, Heh! I got Robin's copy of the Inventory I and I love it. I wish the publishers of the second volume would have the smarts to put out the fact that they are doing it and take reservations for copies. That way they would have a decent idea of who wants it. At this point I would simply start putting my Pizza money away for when it finally comes out (I've given up Pizza for Atkins :-) You can still get the Inventories new at David Brown, or (Oxbow books for the Brits amongst us) for $148 plus shipping. http://www.oxbowbooks.com/results.cfm/q/Henry%20VIII/qt/All/ST/QS/StartRow/1 They also have Woven into the Earth for $50, but I got mine for $37 because I pre-ordered. If you do go to the Inventories page for David Brown, be prepared to drool. Lots of nice ways to spend money on Tudor era books. Viscountess Regina Romsey OL, OP, Drachenwald/East Now a Proud Resident of AnTir and the Pacific NorthWet "BTW...they make us wear coronets so that we don't hit our heads on things. As often." Duke Dag > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 23:36:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH4aQJT019090 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:36:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH4YZ2L027002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH4YOnW089363; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH4YKJL089254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBH5ePnh022135 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:40:25 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More book news Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:52:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412162352.18056.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 16 December 2004 11:16 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Sue Clemenger wrote: [snip] > > "Encountering Medieval Textiles and Dress: Objects, Texts, Images" by > > Desiree G. Koslin. > > This is has been out for several years now. Page is here: > > http://www.palgrave-usa.com/Catalog/product.aspx?isbn=0312293771 > > It's another essay collection, again with a heavy emphasis on lit crit and > art history. I saw most of these papers at K'zoo when first presented. The > book will have some useful bits for people doing work in certain areas > but, again, mostly focuses on the theoretical rather than practical issues > of costume. > > A word of warning: Often the people who do serious and well-respected work > on dress/textile topics in literature, art history, and social history are > not familiar with current work and practical issues of clothing and > textiles. Costumers may be surprised and disconcerted when they stumble > across outdated or incorrect statements about what was worn and how it was > made. This reflects the severe contamination of the existing literature on > costume history with decades-old unsupported assumptions. That doesn't > mean that the rhetorical analyses are not valid; it does limit the > usefulness of the work to the practical costume researcher. Still, you can > often get a lot of good primary source references (quotes from documents > and literature, for instance) even from a paper that has no bearing on > practical aspects. Thanks for the comments. I have been considering whether to buy this book for a few years now. You've helped me make my decision. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 16 23:50:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH4ovq3019182 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:50:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH4jB2L027806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH4j7Ci095881; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f38.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH4f7n3093345 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.31 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:40:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.31] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200412170038.iBH0bntQ041598@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:40:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 04:41:01.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C307A30:01C4E3F2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >I don't think there were any actual magicians or wizards in the "high >Middle Ages", altho I seem to recall that people were burned at the stake >because of this assumption. Based on the extant grimoires from the middle ages (There are a few, such as the Picatrix, the Thesaurus Necromatiae (ascribed to Roger Bacon), and the Munich handbook). I would have to say there -were- ritual magicians in the period. There _were_ a number of people tried for sorcery, necromancy, and such. Many were acquitted, others fined, banished, and yes, some were burned for heresy. I'm not seeing a lot on ritual garments though, so the assumption that they dressed like everyone else is most probable. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 00:45:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH5jtJZ019622 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:45:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH5fI2L001018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:41:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH5fBlW029176; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH5f9JY029160 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-92-34.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.92.34]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH5f2CQ018724 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:41:06 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041216211509.05a2ad70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:17:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? In-Reply-To: References: <200412170038.iBH0bntQ041598@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I don't think there were any actual magicians or wizards in the "high >>Middle Ages", altho I seem to recall that people were burned at the stake >>because of this assumption. > >Based on the extant grimoires from the middle ages (There are a few, such >as the Picatrix, the Thesaurus Necromatiae (ascribed to Roger Bacon), and >the Munich handbook). I would have to say there -were- ritual magicians in >the period. There _were_ a number of people tried for >sorcery, necromancy, and such. Many were acquitted, others fined, >banished, and yes, some were burned for heresy. I'm not seeing a lot on >ritual garments though, so the assumption that they dressed like everyone >else is most probable. With the threat of burning a possibility, I should think they'd dress exactly like everyone else, except at ritual events. But I don't think history has recorded what their ritual garb was, nor do I think that was the original question. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 00:46:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH5kE2k019625 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH5Xa2L000677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:33:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH5XThN024771; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH5XRRp024720 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121705332201400mkrd6e>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:33:22 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:33:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FINALLY/book news From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > According to the publisher, as of about a week and a half ago, the copies for > America are on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic. (So maybe by now they're > at the publishers or sitting on a dock in New Jersey...) They were not > expected to be to booksellers in time for Christmas sales. > > Janet But I want it NOW! My local independent bookseller special ordered _Woven Into The Earth_ and _Dress in Anglo-Saxon England_ for me on Tuesday night and _Woven_ is here already, waiting for me to pick it up tomorrow on the way home from work. Their computer was giving them funny mixed signals about where _Dress_ was, but they seemed to think it had reached US warehouse. We shall see. Anyway I guess I can't eat TWO whole books this weekend anyway. Sigh. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 01:47:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH6l0Oh020036 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:47:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBH6ij2L004796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH6iZl2066142; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBH6iVrH066050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:44:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBH7ocQ8027270 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:50:38 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII era garment books (was: More book news) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:02:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412170202.30883.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/631/Wed Dec 15 07:01:14 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 16 December 2004 9:15 pm, Wanda Pease wrote: [snip] > They also have Woven into the Earth for $50, but I got mine for $37 because > I pre-ordered. I should have done that, but I thought I could resist until I saw an actual copy.... :-) I *did* preorder Dress in Anglo-Saxon England from Amazon. They are selling it at something like $32 USD. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 07:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHCKCN8012676 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHCJb2L020926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHCJE8i054365; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHCJ62g054170 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:03:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792600@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume Thread-Index: AcTjoqnZ+Lml91NaTXeB+hS55qMq4wAgcKtQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Hello to all the Regency experts out there (and everybody else) I > > have a dress which I made from Simplicity's Ever After pattern > > (8735).... but I don't want to wear it for SCA > > purposes anymore..... I thought I might be able to convert it > > into something passably regencyesque for another group I'm > > involved with where polyester satin wouldn't stick out like a sore > > thumb. So far I know I've got to re-pleat the skirt to concentrate the > > pleats at the back leaving the front flat, but what should I do about > > the bodice. I could extend the dart to create a faux princess seam > > pointing to either the corner of the neckline or the arm seam or just > > leave the dart as it is. Leave the darts as they are > > Does anybody have any suggestions...... I > > know it's not ideal for the purpose but I don't > > want to throw out this dress and this is the only way I think I'll > > ever wear it again. Elizabeth > But there is a lot of yardage in the skirt..I don't think > that the bodice or sleeve could successfully make the > transition. Kathleen The sleeves might (depending which style/version was used) There's a regency era portrait in (I think) the National Gallery in London that shows a girl in a red velvet dress with pseudo-renaissance looking sleeves, so that's an indication that the renaissance styles inspired details on Regency period dresses. As tio the bodice - also depends on the version/style uses but the *main* problem is that upturned V of the bottom edge at the centre front of the bodice - not very Regency at all. Though for a group who aren't sticklers for absolute accuracy, perhaps uit could be disguised... a fake-belt piece sewn around the bottom edge of the bodice perhaps... that widens into a diamond shape at the front so that ththe top edge of the diamond buts to the bottom edge of the inverted V... or possible just a straight edge to the bottom of the belt-piece with just the top edge butting up to the inverted V on the bodice. If you have any offcuts of the original fabric, you could use for the fake belt-piece that would be even better.... So, Elizabeth, what version of the sleeves and bodice did you use? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 07:34:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHCYAJu016933 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHCSJ2L021275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHCSFlV058068; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHCQgc5057376 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:17:52 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792601@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume Thread-Index: AcTj2HEOun9AcTIDRkmlb7tPvNyE0wAUNB8g content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <001001c4e3c0$5b58f8c0$8a92d6cb@ewalpole> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:41 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume > > > I made the one with the U shaped neckline (I think it's view > B but it's not labelled on the picture) If you look at the > picture here http://snipurl.com/bf69 > the I made the bodice from the one on the bottom right and > the sleeves from the one on the left. You can see the dress > in it's current incarnation at > http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/simplicity.htm It's the second > review from the top and the photo is thoroughly unflattering. > I don't have any scraps and I doubt I could get any more of > this fabric as I bought it about 4-5 years ago. OK, Alter the skirts as you'd already described Take out the sleeves and use the fabric form the oversleevers to cut two short puffed regecny-dtyle sleevers and to make a belt piece to deal with the inverted "V" at the bottom of the bodice front. That should work fine. Not completely Regency accurate, but not screamingly awful either. If you want long sleeves - make yourself a spencer (short jacket not much longer in the body than the dress bodice) and wear it over the gown. Hope this helps Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 11:55:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHGtbGG020688 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:55:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHGsh2L009378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHGsSo4021283; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHGsMb5021162 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121716541601400mhiice>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <016201c4e459$108e25b0$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792601@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:54:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new glove group X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO St. Anne is the patron Saint of glovers. This group is a moderated group, not limited to leatherworking; all glove crafters are welcome. It is my hope that the group can become a useful resource for those who wish to make good gloves, whatever style or type of glove you wish to make. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/societyofstanne/ It is not run by me but by Gina Worthy. Please forward to any list or persons that are interested in this. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 15:06:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHK6JbF022928 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHK5Y2L027908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:05:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHK5JJ6080233; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHK5Hxu080171 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-67-191.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.191]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHK561x027417 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:05:08 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041217112217.02456de0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:24:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] new glove group In-Reply-To: <016201c4e459$108e25b0$6d00a8c0@ches> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792601@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >St. Anne is the patron Saint of glovers. This group is a moderated group, >not limited to leatherworking; all glove crafters are welcome. It is my hope >that the group can become a useful resource for those who wish to make good >gloves, whatever style or type of glove you wish to make. I have wide hands, so I figured out how to make gloves some time ago. I'm always interested in chatting about gloves, and could probably use a lesson or two on "the right way" to make them. I'm especially interested in the changing shape of the thumb piece where it attaches to the hand. I hate fitchets. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 15:16:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHKGSUp023022 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:16:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHKFe2L028708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHKFYq8088765; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHKFVnR088726 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E9419CD0 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B93248 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:28 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:27 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03759E49@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 954 Thread-Index: AcTkWv+qX388+J+AQhaUuKYwJCLLaAAGHUYw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 20:15:27.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[26045060:01C4E475] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBHKFVnR088726 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > As tio the bodice - also depends on the version/style uses but the > *main* problem is that upturned V of the bottom edge at the > centre front > of the bodice - not very Regency at all. Actually, if you look at the Kyoto _Fashion_ book there are 2 ~1795 dresses with upturned Vs for the bodice front. They do not, however have the low round neck, and to copy that style well, you'd probably need to leave the front of the skirt gathered as it is and add a panel to the back for extra fullness. But there are some Empire examples of the upturned V "waist" seam. I must say, I like the idea of the shirt underneath -- you could even get gold tassel trim and do a version of the Princess Charlotte's turquoise day-dress (shown in _In Royal Fashion_ by Kay Staniland). There's even the "fantasy" version of that dress with a lace "thing" under it that could probably pass as a reasonable thing for you to wear to a regency ball. (Not that it would've been worn in period as such, but Staniland makes a believable argument that the lace "thing" Charlotte was wearing under the extant turquoise dress in one of her portraits never existed in the first place. But you would have a painting to point to as documentation!) Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 15:20:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHKKLOm023054 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHKJD2L029050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHKJ9Xr091723; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHKFWSX088743 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5740D239C9 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F4C38 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:28 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:27 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03759E49@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 954 Thread-Index: AcTkWv+qX388+J+AQhaUuKYwJCLLaAAGHUYw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 20:15:27.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[26045060:01C4E475] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBHKFWSX088743 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > As tio the bodice - also depends on the version/style uses but the > *main* problem is that upturned V of the bottom edge at the > centre front > of the bodice - not very Regency at all. Actually, if you look at the Kyoto _Fashion_ book there are 2 ~1795 dresses with upturned Vs for the bodice front. They do not, however have the low round neck, and to copy that style well, you'd probably need to leave the front of the skirt gathered as it is and add a panel to the back for extra fullness. But there are some Empire examples of the upturned V "waist" seam. I must say, I like the idea of the shirt underneath -- you could even get gold tassel trim and do a version of the Princess Charlotte's turquoise day-dress (shown in _In Royal Fashion_ by Kay Staniland). There's even the "fantasy" version of that dress with a lace "thing" under it that could probably pass as a reasonable thing for you to wear to a regency ball. (Not that it would've been worn in period as such, but Staniland makes a believable argument that the lace "thing" Charlotte was wearing under the extant turquoise dress in one of her portraits never existed in the first place. But you would have a painting to point to as documentation!) Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 16:35:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLZ6NJ023690 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHLXj2L006309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLXe1Q053700; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLXZdd053567 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20041217213330014003be40e>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <028501c4e47f$f4452c10$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792601@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.3.1.2.20041217112217.02456de0@mail.frys.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:25:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: societyofstanne@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Regarding thumbs was new glove group X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a quote from a new glove master that I have found recently, or rather, who found me! :) He is going to help me with my research on many things, one of which is the glove. Now I have to find a copy of the patent and a picture of this hawking glove as well as the 6 finger glove that was mentioned earlier ... Regarding thumbs. The first known Bolton thumb actually predates its nineteenth century patent..this is the thumb you see on a lot of modern gloves where the quirk is part of the palm of the glove . the first one is a hawking glove allegedly for Henry the Eighth(most likely it was for King James). The French thumb as we know it today appeared not long after the 1100's when the side-thumb was abandoned. Originally the gouche was a simple circle, later quirks were added and by the time of the Renn. period an inverted v or m shape was included as you have seen. Fundamentally your thumb ! is measured as one half of your trank width and measures(from the base of the thumb) up to the base of the second finger joint or simply from the base of the thumb to one third of the fore-finger. The old thumb-gouche began from a line extending down from between the ring and middle fingers and extended round the hand to one half of the back fore-finger (although some extended out to the line between the back forefinger and the middle finger. Renn and Med. gloves often did not have wider little finger/forefinger to accommodate fit so they used quirks and wider fourchettes than used since Jouvin. Some French thumbs have the quirk near the base of the thumb some have the quirk dead center of the gouche and some have the quirk off to one side or another. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new glove group : : >St. Anne is the patron Saint of glovers. This group is a moderated group, : >not limited to leatherworking; all glove crafters are welcome. It is my hope : >that the group can become a useful resource for those who wish to make good : >gloves, whatever style or type of glove you wish to make. : : I have wide hands, so I figured out how to make gloves some time ago. I'm : always interested in chatting about gloves, and could probably use a lesson : or two on "the right way" to make them. I'm especially interested in the : changing shape of the thumb piece where it attaches to the hand. I hate : fitchets. : : : CarolynKayta Barrows : dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian : www.FunStuft.com : : //// \\\ : ////-@@\\\ : (((( 7 ))) : ((( <> )))) : ) (((((( : /----\ /---\)) : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 16:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLhh52023814 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:43:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHLh12L007444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLgvAW061350; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLgrSK061289 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-67-191.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.67.191]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHLgl1t009530 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:42:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041217134053.0324f3f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:42:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regarding thumbs was new glove group In-Reply-To: <028501c4e47f$f4452c10$6d00a8c0@ches> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792601@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.3.1.2.20041217112217.02456de0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Regarding thumbs. Wow. And thanks. I don't know what historical periods you do, but there is an illustration of a glove pattern from the Diderot Encyclopedia, mid-1700s, in Davenport's costume book. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 17:02:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHM2vjO023976 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHLLp2L005354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:21:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLKuOO043305; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f39.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHLKARm042662 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:20:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.222 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:19:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.222] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200412171702.iBHH1VJP027013@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:19:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 21:20:04.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CB35920:01C4E47E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > >Based on the extant grimoires from the middle ages (There are a few, such > >as the Picatrix, the Thesaurus Necromatiae (ascribed to Roger Bacon), and > >the Munich handbook). I would have to say there -were- ritual magicians >in > >the period. There _were_ a number of people tried for > >sorcery, necromancy, and such. Many were acquitted, others fined, > >banished, and yes, some were burned for heresy. I'm not seeing a lot on > >ritual garments though, so the assumption that they dressed like everyone > >else is most probable. >With the threat of burning a possibility, I should think they'd dress >exactly like everyone else, except at ritual events. But I don't think >history has recorded what their ritual garb was, nor do I think that was >the original question. It's an interpretive thing - "what did medieval magicians" wear?" (or whatever) could refer to any number of things. I'm taking it to mean whether they had distinctive clothing at all, not simply what did they wear day to day. Ritual clothing would fall into that catagory. Some ritual garments -are- described in some cases, but (for example, in the Papyri graecae magicae there are descriptions of specific garments for for specific workings). On the non-specific ritual clothing side, in the Norse Sagas on the other hand, there is at least one description of a Greenlander "witch" who's wearing pretty destinctive clothing. As I was trying to emphasize earlier, burning really wasn't the only punishment for sorcery (and really was only popular in specific places and times. It's like saying that someone could be blacklisted in the 20th century for being a communist. Technically it's true, but it's sort of a misleadingly broad statement. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 17:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHMZu4M024228 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBHMZH2L011849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHMZAew004299; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav39.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHMZ8YH004210 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:35:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV39.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:34:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:34:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:34:27 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 22:35:02.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5FD69B0:01C4E488] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBHMZu4M024228 Status: RO Not that I'm trying to flog another book or anything, but there is a recent addition to the British Library series "Medieval Life in Manuscripts" called Magic in Medieval Manuscripts. I haven't seen it yet but I ordered it from their US distributor just a couple days ago. It has 50 color illustration that include "from representations of the magician, wise-woman and witch, to charms against lightning, wax images for inciting love, and diagrams to find treasure." Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 17 19:42:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBI0g9Db025243 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:42:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBI0et2L021088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBI0egRF097972; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBI0ebNN097882 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004121800403201300fodcee>; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:40:32 +0000 Message-ID: <035f01c4e49a$1513c450$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792601@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><4.3.1.2.20041217112217.02456de0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20041217134053.0324f3f0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regarding thumbs was new glove group Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:35:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hehe, yep, got it and about 50 other glove related books, not to mention about 75 commercial patterns through the decades. Been making gloves since I was in kindergarten. ;) And I want MORE!!!! Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regarding thumbs was new glove group : : >Regarding thumbs. : : Wow. And thanks. : : I don't know what historical periods you do, but there is an illustration : of a glove pattern from the Diderot Encyclopedia, mid-1700s, in Davenport's : costume book. : : : CarolynKayta Barrows : dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian : www.FunStuft.com : : //// \\\ : ////-@@\\\ : (((( 7 ))) : ((( <> )))) : ) (((((( : /----\ /---\)) : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 18 11:53:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIGr7fB025986 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:53:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBIGqD2L013240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIGq3NJ020897; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIGpepe020568 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kat@redtrollforge.com) Received: from katscomputer (ip213.133.du.eli.iinet.com [67.136.133.213]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7CD704D5 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: kat@redtrollforge.com To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:51:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Henry VIII era garment books (was: More book news) Message-ID: <41C3EF92.18040.661FAD4@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Heh, Heh, Heh! I got Robin's copy of the Inventory I and I love it. > I wish the publishers of the second volume would have the smarts to > put out the fact that they are doing it and take reservations for > copies. That way they would have a decent idea of who wants it. At > this point I would simply start putting my Pizza money away for when > it finally comes out (I've given up Pizza for Atkins :-) I got it when it first came out. And I had it on preorder as well. It was cancelled despite the preorders. And it doesn't help that one of their major contributors for the second volume (which was going to have an extensive section on costuming and textiles, which make up the majority of the listings) died. (That was Janet Arnold.) That and the main editor (David Starkey) got busy on other Tudor projects. When you read Mr. Starkey's intro explaining the project, it sounds like it was an uphill battle to get the transcripts out. The publisher they started with was not their first. I got the feeling that the publishers were very disappointed by the sales of the first volume. (The first volume was the transcript of the actual inventories. The next two were going to be "Commentaries and Illustrations".) I'm still hoping that the others will come out. But I'm glad they at least got the transcript portion done. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 18 12:27:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIHRKY2026269 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBIHQT2L015203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIHQOJ2039692; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIHQN9m039671 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26487 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:38:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:38:53 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Henry VIII era garment books (was: More book news) In-Reply-To: <41C3EF92.18040.661FAD4@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 kat@redtrollforge.com wrote: > And it doesn't help that one of their major contributors for the > second volume (which was going to have an extensive section on > costuming and textiles, which make up the majority of the listings) > died. (That was Janet Arnold.) That and the main editor (David > Starkey) got busy on other Tudor projects. > ... > I got the feeling that the publishers were very disappointed by the > sales of the first volume. (The first volume was the transcript of > the actual inventories. The next two were going to be "Commentaries > and Illustrations".) > > I'm still hoping that the others will come out. But I'm glad they at > least got the transcript portion done. The contributor I got my information from indicated that Vol. 2 had been shelved, but has now been revived. This person is working on a category of costume accessories; I do not know who, if anyone, has been tapped to fill Janet Arnold's place in analyzing the garments. I also don't know if the editor and publisher remain the same. If I have occasion to ask, I will, but I'm not in a position to do so now. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 18 13:49:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIIna2E027077 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBIImU2L019904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIImMrP086126; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBIImI21086067 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20041218184813016003g6roe>; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:48:13 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:48:23 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woven Into The Earth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, yum yum yum. Fetched my copy home last night, and cannot read the poor thing FAST enough, cannot absorb the pictures fast enough, etc. etc. After suffering through mostly bad second-hand accounts of Norlund's accounts and longing longing longing for more info on the Greenland finds for, golly, decades I think -- I can't remember when I hadn't seen Norlund's map of one of the gowns -- it is SO MUCH FUN to have pictures and thread counts and analysis of the colors and weaves and did I mention PICTURES????? I love that so many of the wool textiles are as coarse as 30 or 40 epi -- because I can weave 30 or 40 epi! So I can get ever closer to more authentic textiles. Tra-loo tra-lay! Alas, not yet on the warp-weighted loom but this shall come. And all the sewing and construction details! Oh this is fun. Well worth keeping the heat at 55 for most of the month as an economy! Giddily, Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 18 22:16:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJ3GCki029853 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBJ3FF2L025204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJ3Exsw085662; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBJ3Er2S085606 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-30369); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:14:53 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:14:53 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20041218191131.00d5fca0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:14:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woven Into The Earth In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My copy just arrived in yesterday's mail. It's lovely! Joan At 01:48 PM 12/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, yum yum yum. Fetched my copy home last night, and cannot read the poor >thing FAST enough, cannot absorb the pictures fast enough, etc. etc. After >suffering through mostly bad second-hand accounts of Norlund's accounts and >longing longing longing for more info on the Greenland finds for, golly, >decades I think -- I can't remember when I hadn't seen Norlund's map of one >of the gowns -- it is SO MUCH FUN to have pictures and thread counts and >analysis of the colors and weaves and did I mention PICTURES????? > >I love that so many of the wool textiles are as coarse as 30 or 40 epi -- >because I can weave 30 or 40 epi! So I can get ever closer to more authentic >textiles. Tra-loo tra-lay! Alas, not yet on the warp-weighted loom but this >shall come. And all the sewing and construction details! Oh this is fun. > >Well worth keeping the heat at 55 for most of the month as an economy! >Giddily, >Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 15:28:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJKSpRp016011 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:28:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBJKRt2L019813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:27:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJKRkZY043812; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJKRiwW043788 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.117.17.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.117.17]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cg7eL-0005Ae-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:27:43 -0800 Message-ID: <41C5E333.2060007@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:23:15 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? References: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> In-Reply-To: <006301c4e3a5$657f3140$1902a8c0@duncan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If she is talking about a Stage Magician, there are a number of illustrations about. But they tended to Dress like their audiences just a little more colorful. Parti-colored was also very popular as far as I remember. There are a number of books on the history of stage magic avalible. Stephen ailith wrote: >Hey, y'all. > >I've gotten a query from a friend regarding appropriate clothing for a >magician during the "high Middle Ages". Does anyone have any ideas of >even where to begin looking--any references, etc? I'm pretty much at a >loss--this is way out of my area of interest. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >With regards, >ailith/kate > >Should we complain that there are thorns on the rose bush or should we >rejoice that the thorn bush has roses? > >~ unknown > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 16:24:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJLOmaB016291 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:24:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBJLO02L022735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJLNn1H077244; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDGTTtb060185 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004121316291501300li9ese>; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:29:24 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.112; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:28:13 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:28:13 +0000 Message-Id: <121320041628.18509.41BDC31C000BC14D0000484D22007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:23:47 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] coming 12/29! Merchant of Venice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Forgive the multiple postings, but I had to share this! Merchant of Venice is coing out and it looks wonderful!! I've included a link that has a synopsis for those who are not familiar with the storyline. http://www.sonyclassics.com/comingsoon.php?filmid=91&page=1 On a side note, the costumes look awesome! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 16:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJLUfo0016311 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:30:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBJLTt2L023098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBJLTgra080751; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEHEm2P005764 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.116 ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121417144201400egcbue>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:14:42 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.116; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:14:36 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: antir-costumers@antir.sca.org (An Tir Costumers) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:14:36 +0000 Message-Id: <121420041714.15908.41BF1F7C0001947100003E2422007348300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 10:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:23:47 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bainbridge Island, WA- Linen! fabric store closing sale! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For anyone who's looking for a good sale....like everyone? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares > > Just a note about great fabric deals to be had: > > Island Textiles on Bainbridge Island is closing at the end of December. > They have a whole bunch of nice linen, silks, and velvets 30% off; wool and > home dec. fabrics 60% off, fabulous trims, buttons, ribbons and trims 50% > off. If you're in the market for any of these it may indeed be worth the > ferry ride. > > They are in the shopping area downhill from Safeway, the second stoplight up > from the ferry. > > Island Textiles > Fabrics and home decorating > (206) 789-8206 > 937 Hildebrand Lane NE > Bainbridge Island,WA 98110 > > They really are closing, so time is of the essence. Happy hunting! > > In service, > > Isadara > > > "It goes without saying that the pea cluster is wired directly to the > weapons array." > http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/knudsen2/9.html > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 19:13:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0DCgP017176 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBK0CD2L001974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0C0c3074182; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0BsfU074046 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.32.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.32] (may be forged)) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id iBK0BaCX027238 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:11:40 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c4e628$526d6d80$2092d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041216.152109.20029.261329@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:22:50 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Karen wrote: > Based on the photo, I'd definitely repleat the skirt and discard the current sleeves. I'd make myself a little mannish shirt to go underneath it, worn in jumper fashion (American jumper/dress) and whip up a cute little Spencer jacket of a coordinating material to wear over it. Trim a little bonnet to match and call it good. > Karen Here in Australia Jumper means the same as sweater does in America, but I've never heard of the American definition of jumper, but, So far as I understand it, you're suggesting a shirt worn underneath the dress. Though wouldn't a chemise with a high neckline do the same thing (unless high necked smocks are wrong for this era) without adding extra layers? (I would probably be using this for summer wear I already have acceptable winter wear, as this group covers the 16th to 19th centuries), what sort of collar does it have? I've seen one or two (in movies) filling in a low neckline, they had a simple ruffle on top of a ~1 inch wide band, are there alternatives? Actually I think I remember something called a chemisette? in Patterns of Fashion (she has a selection from the first half of the 19th century) which ties under the arms and fills in the low neckline of the smock (to protect high necklines from sweat & body oils or to fill a low neckline) As for the spencer and the bonnet this is ballroom wear (I'll be wearing it for a dance group) so I would not be wearing a bonnet, and a Spencer would also be outdoor wear (unless I'm misremembering the Regency websites I've read) a Spencer would also be too warm for summertime. Ann Wass wrote: > Satin isn't very common in the early 19th century, either. And unless this > is a strictly costume event you are planning to wear it to, polyester satin > kind of shouts its presence, I think. (I shouldn't talk, though. As I > confessed on this list a while ago, I once made a very sketchy impression of an > 18th century ballgown in KNITTED poly satin, with zipper no less. OUCH!) > > It is probably a LOT more work than you want to do, but you COULD make a > whole sheer white overdress of a filmy cotton > Ann Wass I really don't think I'll be out of place, many people don't wear historic costume and a lot of people wear purchased (modern) formal gowns as costumes. As to the sheer overlay another layer does not sound good though I suppose it wouldn't make a huge impact, a friend showed me her attempt at making such a dress (all as one piece not two separate dresses) but found that the seams showed through the sheer fabric, is there a solution to that? (other than possibly using very small seam allowances or putting all the seams on the inside instead of between the two layers) Oh, and finally can anybody recommend the best (online) source for Regency fashion plates? I've seen a few scattered about but often it's just a couple per decade to indicate the general tendency for each period. Thanks to all those who have offered suggestions (especially Teddy for the belt and sleeves suggestion). As to covering the darts, I seem to recall a dress in Patterns of Fashion 1 that had a separate square panel over the front (it was decorated with diagonal lines but I can't remember how those diagonal lines were created) as a concealed front fastening? (this was a borrowed copy so I don't really remember the details and I don't have it with me). I could possibly take a piece of fabric from the skirt or sleeves and make a decorative centre front panel, Does anybody else see possible problems with this idea or have suggestions on how to construct it? thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 19:21:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0Lr8D017210 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBK0L42L002509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0L06g079192; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0KuNX079156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBK0FjTA014934 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:15:45 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:15:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41C61AE6.3060204@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:20:54 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1661 ribbons & etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thursday 19 December 1661 http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1661/12/19/index.php This morning my wife dressed herself fine to go to the christening of Mrs. Hunt’s child, and so she and I in the way in the morning went to the Paynter’s, and there she sat till noon, and I all the while looking over great variety of good prints which he had, and by and by comes my boy to tell us that Mrs. Hunt has been at our house to tell us that the christening is not till Saturday next. So after the Paynter had done I did like the picture pretty well, and my wife and I went by coach home, but in the way I took occasion to fall out with my wife very highly about her ribbands being ill matched and of two colours, and to very high words, so that, like a passionate fool, I did call her whore, for which I was afterwards sorry. But I set her down at home, and went myself by appointment to the Dolphin, where Sir W. Warren did give us all a good dinner, and that being done, to the office, and there sat late, and so home. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Over the next few days, Osama bin Laden will die of kidney disease. Saddam Hussein will be shot to death. Fidel Castro will die. A live dinosaur thousands of years old will be captured. The Hoover Dam will collapse. And Rosie O'Donnell will adopt Siamese twin girls. That's what the world's best psychics predicted for 2004. -- CSICOP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 19:59:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0xYT7017333 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBK0wT2L004739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:58:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0wGMf099794; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK0wE4e099766 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.93.42.10]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20041220005812.MMPS1919.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:58:12 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20041219194653.00c72fd8@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:58:02 -0500 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth, the darts in the dress are just fine. Regency period gowns can be found with darts, The scoop neckline is fine as well. Pretty for a ball would be a sheer kerchief (sometimes referred to as a "fichu") tucked in something like they wore in Sense and Sensibility. Shortening the sleeves would be nice for a ball gown - elbow length or shorter, then wear long gloves. The biggest thing with your gown in it's current state is the fullness of the skirt that has been mentioned. The inverted "v" waistline is fine. Take some of the fullness out of the skirt and pleat or gather fullness to the centre back, leaving the front of the skirt smooth and flat. Here are some fashion plates:http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html And here is a picture of the kerchief idea:http://www.discoverkate.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=2385&sessionid=911a9vi6d0e91pjfhqiutkf1p6 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 20:16:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK1GjAK017379 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:16:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBK1G12L005686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK1FoNO009472; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK1Fk4v009405 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julianne239@netscape.net) Received: from [4.13.0.149] by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041220011544.QLTS1106.out003.verizon.net@[4.13.0.149]> for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:15:44 -0600 Message-ID: <41C62788.5000108@netscape.net> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:14:48 -0500 From: "Julianne M. Pierson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200412141537.iBEFb2at021313@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200412141537.iBEFb2at021313@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.13.0.149] at Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:15:44 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Birka Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I have been behind on the list. It sounds like you might be referring to: Tools for Textile Production from Birka and Hedeby by Eva Andersson, ISBN 9172092955. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but it is on my wish list. Julianne Pierson > > >>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Althea Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>>I don't seem to have kept the postings about the Book on the Birka >>>finds. Does anyone have the citation? I am trying to decide what >>>Santa Clause is bringing. I have been a very good girl! :D >>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 19 21:43:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK2hj0I019157 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:43:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBK2gl2L010831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK2gaWT060268; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK2gYcS060199 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA096425D6 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41C63BFE.5010901@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:42:06 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) References: <20041216.152109.20029.261329@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> <000001c4e628$526d6d80$2092d6cb@ewalpole> In-Reply-To: <000001c4e628$526d6d80$2092d6cb@ewalpole> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/633/Thu Dec 16 18:56:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > Oh, and finally can anybody recommend the best (online) source for Regency > fashion plates? I've found these useful: http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/reg3.html http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/timelinepages/1800to1825a.htm http://dept.kent.edu/museum/costume/bonc/3timesearch/tsnineteenth/1800-1829/1800-1829.html There used to a be a ton of Jane Austen societies out there with websites on the movies from a few years ago. You may find this webring useful: http://www.mimanet.com/cgi-bin/rings/regency/sitelist.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 11:17:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKGHESY017527 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKGGJ2L027981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:16:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKGG5Wo045663; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKGG28D045578 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:16:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1ce.2de3aa0f (3657) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1ce.2de3aa0f.2ef854b8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:15:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/19/2004 7:17:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au writes: but found that the seams showed through the sheer fabric, is there a solution to that? (other than possibly using very small seam allowances or putting all the seams on the inside instead of between the two layers) That is just the nature of the beast--still the case today. The seams will show through, unless you flat-or underline instead of making separate dresses. Some period examples have French seams, and that is the solution I have used. (However, as is often the case with period examples, people didn't always seem to be as fussy, and some just have very narrow unfinished seams. Such very narrow seams, though, have a way of raveling totally away. Of course, fabrics, at least for the skirt panels, were often used edge-to-edge, so you just have the selveges for a finish.) As you want to use this for a ballgown, though, I think the solution of putting in short sleeves and wearing some kind of fichu (or not), while re-doing the skirt, is your most practical option. A "jumper" in the U.S., but the way, is a sleeveless, usually low-necked garment, made to be worn over a blouse. They go in and out of fashion. What IS the British equivalent for this type of garment, as I know "jumper" is a pullover sweater? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 11:58:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKGwFGL017967 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:58:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKGvO2L001972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKGvIl9080054; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:57:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKGvCO1079510 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBKGuc214678.; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:56:38 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:56:38 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:56:34 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> AnnBWass@aol.com 20/12/2004 16:15:52 >>> >A "jumper" in the U.S., but the way, is a sleeveless, usually low-necked >garment, made to be worn over a blouse. They go in and out of fashion. What IS >the British equivalent for this type of garment, as I know "jumper" is a >pullover sweater? A pinafore dress. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 12:09:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKH938T018082 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKH7e2L003193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKH7YwI089187; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:07:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBKH7OwB088977 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2004 17:07:16 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041220170500.01495598@mail.suziclarke.co.uk> X-Sender: suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:07:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume now "jumper" In-Reply-To: <1ce.2de3aa0f.2ef854b8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >As you want to use this for a ballgown, though, I think the solution of >putting in short sleeves and wearing some kind of fichu (or not), while >re-doing >the skirt, is your most practical option. > >A "jumper" in the U.S., but the way, is a sleeveless, usually low-necked >garment, made to be worn over a blouse. They go in and out >of fashion. What IS >the British equivalent for this type of garment, as I know "jumper" is a >pullover sweater? A garment such as you describe is what I have always called a "pinafore" dress, I suppose because it looks a bit like an old fashioned pinafore or apron. It can have any shape of neck, and can be waisted or not, depending on the design. Suzi in London _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 12:47:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKHlM6E018542 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKHk72L007390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKHjwuG022769; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:45:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKHjuEo022729 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CgRbX-0003ta-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: <41C70FD9.8070809@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:46:01 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <60E49772-4DE9-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> In-Reply-To: <60E49772-4DE9-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hardwick Textiles-is there a difference in these two books? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know if there is a difference between these two books? They do have different ISBNs. I have the Elizabethan Treasures version.... http://tinyurl.com/5nsct Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 16:18:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLIfAf020073 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKLHg2L003052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLHVAF009179; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (IDENT:cu41754@serrano.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.206.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLFAVl007135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asj2001@columbia.edu) Received: from VAIO (dyn-ec-194-47.dyn.columbia.edu [160.39.194.47]) (user=asj2001 mech=LOGIN bits=0) by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iBKLF832018942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:15:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c4e6d8$c01e4470$9865fea9@VAIO> From: "Alexia S. Jacobs" To: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:13:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.206.20 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] swansdown? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBKLIfAf020073 Status: RO Does anyone know where to find swansdown nowadays or about how much it costs. All I have been able to find are powder puffs. (I own a gorgeously soft, fluffy pink one) Thank you Alexia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 16:40:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLeFxf020139 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:40:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKLdF2L005302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:39:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLd9QE028424; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav30.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLd7R2028271 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV30.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:38:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <60E49772-4DE9-11D9-9696-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> <41C70FD9.8070809@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hardwick Textiles-is there a difference in these two books? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:51 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2004 21:39:00.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[5148DDE0:01C4E6DC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBKLeFxf020139 Status: RO They are the same book. If you check the publishers, one is the American edition and one the British. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 16:48:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLm3mP020190 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKLlG2L006135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:47:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLlCVY035229; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBKLkwbc035035 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CgVMo-0001TC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:46:58 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hardwick Textiles-is there a difference in these twobooks? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:47:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c4e6dd$71c8ea50$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/634/Sun Dec 19 14:21:52 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I knew someone here would know the answer! >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:39 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hardwick Textiles-is there a difference in these twobooks? > >They are the same book. If you check the publishers, one is the American edition >and one the British. > >Janet > >Janet Davis >Castle Furnishings >www.medievalbookstore.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 20 23:06:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBL46THN024321 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:06:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBL45W2L005381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBL45Gmt004549; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBL45DaA004468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBL5BdS3000917 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:11:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:23:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412202323.31775.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 17 December 2004 4:19 pm, Marc Carlson wrote: [snip] > It's an interpretive thing - "what did medieval magicians" wear?" (or > whatever) could refer to any number of things. I'm taking it to mean > whether they had distinctive clothing at all, not simply what did they wear > day to day. Ritual clothing would fall into that catagory. I suspect magicians would not wear any particular ritual clothing, either, except perhaps a medal, special belt, or other talisman with occult significance to them. When I think of ritual magicians, I imagine them wearing the costume a Doctor of Philosophy, or perhaps Theology, would wear. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 06:57:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLBvktP029498 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 06:57:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLBuq2L029814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:56:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLBua7O072523; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:56:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLBuYdk072394 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:56:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:56:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979260E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) Thread-Index: AcTmxyw8r5UBqcEDR5GBDEu6CINq8gAjEo9w content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'd make myself a little mannish shirt to go > underneath it, worn in jumper fashion (American jumper/dress) > > Here in Australia Jumper means the same as sweater does in > America, but I've never heard of the American definition of > jumper, but, So far as I understand it, you're suggesting a > shirt worn underneath the dress. In england it would be a "pinafore" dress (sleeveless dress often worn over a shirt/blouse) > Though wouldn't a chemise > with a high neckline do the same thing (unless high necked > smocks are wrong for this era) without adding extra layers? Basically, yes. > As for the spencer and the bonnet this is ballroom wear (I'll > be wearing it for a dance group) so I would not be wearing a > bonnet, and a Spencer would also be outdoor wear (unless I'm > misremembering the Regency websites I've > read) a Spencer would also be too warm for summertime. Depends what you made hte spencer from (and wouldn't it it would be nice to have a spencer and bonnet wo don for arriving and leaving the ball....?) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 11:47:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLGlNKd026139 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:47:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLGkJ2L019819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLGk9gp060425; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLGk4XS060373 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cgn8k-0004YV-00; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:45:38 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:45:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c4e77c$84cbb480$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for the cross posts. Thought you all might be interested. A special thanks to Ninya Mikhaila for giving us the idea for the presentation. http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html For any Phoenix locals, We have been asked to do two repeat performances coupled with Musica Dulce performances: Palomino Library . Sat / Jan 8 / 2 to 3 PM Mustang Library . Sat / Feb 5 / 2 to 3:30 PM (Auditorium) Please call the Library (see link above for number) to confirm times. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 11:50:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLGotUk026154 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:50:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLGo02L020126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLGnvuk062942; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:49:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLGkDff060493 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cgn5e-0003Xs-00; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:42:27 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c4e77c$12e51320$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry for the cross posts. Thought you all might be interested. A special thanks to Ninya Mikhaila for giving us the idea for the presentation. http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html For any Phoenix locals, We have been asked to do two repeat performances coupled with Musica Dulce performances: Palomino Library . Sat / Jan 8 / 2 to 3 PM Mustang Library . Sat / Feb 5 / 2 to 3:30 PM (Auditorium) Please call the Library (see link above for number) to confirm times. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 13:42:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLIgnqR027161 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:42:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLIfv2L001481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:41:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLIfm3J051345; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLIfhit051238 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2146953; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:41:37 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:41:37 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: h costume , "h needlework ansteorra.org" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Happy holidays to you all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (I'm sorry for the cross-posting.) I'm hoping like crazy to not be here at work for the next few days - when I can leave depends on how fast someone else can get her work done on her deadline. I'm the one who has to make it into pdfs and send it off after it's complete, so I can't leave till she does. This is me jumping the gun: I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you all the most joyful holiday season ever. Today is Solstice for some; Christmas is imminent; the New Year is around the corner. May you have great love and happiness of your particular holiday. Remember those you love in this time of endings and beginnings. Reconnect to someone you've lost track of. Make a present for someone rather than buying something. Time and attention are the most valuable things you have to give. Take time to reflect. Hug someone. And someone else. Smile a lot. May your needles be sharp and your light bright. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 14:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLJlJrg028139 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLJk62L007303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLJjs2U098839; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLJjnVb098753 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be0e.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.14]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BEBBB26284A for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:45:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c4e795$ab3e32a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c4e77c$12e51320$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:45:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace, I wondered what had happened with your projekt, but i didnt have to worry. Whoww what a gown, congratulations with a great job done. I simply love it. Fabulous. Thanks a lot for sharing........... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 15:02:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLK26cT028322 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:02:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLJxK2L008515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:59:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLJxCla009005; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f34.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLJxAdq008921 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:59:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.222 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:58:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.222] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200412211905.iBLJ4MVI068285@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:58:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2004 19:59:03.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[8588A7A0:01C4E797] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > It's an interpretive thing - "what did medieval magicians" wear?" (or > > whatever) could refer to any number of things. I'm taking it to mean > > whether they had distinctive clothing at all, not simply what did they >wear > > day to day. Ritual clothing would fall into that catagory. >I suspect magicians would not wear any particular ritual clothing, either, >except perhaps a medal, special belt, or other talisman with occult >significance to them. >When I think of ritual magicians, I imagine them wearing the costume a >Doctor >of Philosophy, or perhaps Theology, would wear. As I believe I said, normally they are likely to have worn regular clothing (personally, I'm not convinced if I were going to be handling smelling burning things, I'd be all that inclined to dress up, although I might have stuck to a specific set of "work clothes" :) ). However, what I believe I was saying is that for specific workings there -may well- have been specific garments required, i.e. ritual clothes. I have not gone through all extant and no longer extant medieval grimoires so I can't tell you that they weren't required. I know the in both pre-medieval and post-medieval workings they are occasionally required. For example, PGM I. the spell for aquiring an assistant requires the magician to wear a "pure garment", although what a "pure garment" might be is open to interpretation. PGM III, for the rite of foreknowledge the magician must (among other weird and bothersome things) be wearing "clean [white] garments" and be crowned in laurel leaves. Any occult talismans they might or might not be wearing would more likely be of relevance to the working than to themselves. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 15:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLKCFMO028429 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:12:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLKB22L009447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLKArW0017449; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLKAVcp017180 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB70428A81 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9CC38 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:26 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:10:24 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0375A19C@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 957 Thread-Index: AcTmx/Eiti6PRZ8pR82BPtazOhHIgAAzKg3A From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2004 20:10:25.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BEA9EF0:01C4E799] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBLKAVcp017180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In case it helps here's the lace "thing" I was talking about that might work for a ball (along with a pinafore dress). http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/char/char4.html shirt vs. high-necked chemise: I haven't seen an extant garment of either (uncovered). However, they are usually referred to as "shirts" in the literature. Whether that's an accurate 20th century description of the garment or the use of a period term for something we would call a shift or chemise I don't know. I do know that there are extant "shirts" from this period -- they just don't get photographed alone. Nancy Bradfield's _Costume in Detail: 1730-1930_ may have a definitive answer, but I don't have it to-hand at the moment. Shirt collars: There are lots of different possibilities. Janet Arnold has 6 or so dickies with different collars, any of which could be used on a shirt. I can't seem to find a picture on line of the extant shirt Charlotte wore with the pinafore in the painting. The collar could be anything from a Peter Pan collar to a upstanding ruffles that frame the face/chin. Re covering the darts: I would agree with an earlier poster that this is unnecessary. However, you remember correctly, Janet Arnold does have a bib-front dress with diagonal lines on the "bib" (done with pleating, I think -- but I'm working from memory). The problem with using this method to cover the pleats is that it always covered a center front opening for the dress, and I thought the pattern you used originally had a center-back opening...? Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 16:07:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLL7k9C029263 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLL6a2L014684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLL6RBd060692; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLL5qn4060212 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:05:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.85.1d6b481b (3996) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:05:39 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <85.1d6b481b.2ef9ea23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:05:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] fixing a regency costume (replies to several) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/21/2004 3:12:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com writes: I do know that there are extant "shirts" from this period -- they just don't get photographed alone. If memory serves, there is a photo of a habit shirt in the Cunningtons' "History of Underclothes." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 16:39:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLLdu1F029767 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:39:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLLcx2L017576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLLcnP7085522; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBLLci4p085442 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sidoniaros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91469 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2004 21:38:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=l8+TE5ktgtlzWP6fYHdtW/FdCbAEe8DbGXnPE/TrPAqQbBS+Z2JqGg1G93KPb7frg9A4tQzqhOTFXnk+ZwpCvrbqfnoef2lkLSnpcpPexcAs1RBU7V59UUMgsdH1FgEHKhFLh2KFmlCbVFfkowgnFauqnJkZuH4mX5ogeZ1NLzg= ; Message-ID: <20041221213843.91467.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.215.205.10] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:38:43 PST Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:38:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ghislaine-SCA Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41C5E333.2060007@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would be most interested in knowing the illustrations and books titles that you are referencing. I am an ernest scholar of this very subject and would welcome and leads for new resources. Thank you. Ghislaine --- Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > If she is talking about a Stage Magician, there are > a number of > illustrations about. But they tended to Dress like > their audiences just > a little more colorful. Parti-colored was also very > popular as far as I > remember. There are a number of books on the > history of stage magic > avalible. > > Stephen > > ailith wrote: > > >Hey, y'all. > > > >I've gotten a query from a friend regarding > appropriate clothing for a > >magician during the "high Middle Ages". Does > anyone have any ideas of > >even where to begin looking--any references, etc? > I'm pretty much at a > >loss--this is way out of my area of interest. > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > >With regards, > >ailith/kate > > > >Should we complain that there are thorns on the > rose bush or should we > >rejoice that the thorn bush has roses? > > > >~ unknown > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 17:29:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLMTbRR030312 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBLMSa2L022710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBLMSPI0023368; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBLMSL7B023263 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail05.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.145]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA6TJ5ZA23SD5J for (sender ); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCnvd/eHvsrmcSa09+a9M0USA4pbx9ZSL5Q== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail05.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFEJX2DX; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:27:53 PST Received: from [4.158.81.195] by webmail05.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:26:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.81.195] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:26:59 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041221.142753.12882.3157@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3918720292 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 b5916d5989b509c9bd599c09fc5de90d6cf9c5cc552dec08e5fc3d25797d75e5190cb12ca9d128a8d9dca861d895d9d9c8dc484c01c8c88d35f9bc41392881b9ade111753dd1157cdd5c5cc9cc55acecb1fcec08e5e9b1b1651c0879017921018d6d4c29004c3c8d681c15e5684d15789ce1097da178797985cc6d191d7c055c05285ca91118a8f518d93dd8dd98dd3848c83848b5c948b5c93d49583531e1054d0575a8a97cf505d1880dac55acec78d5ec78fcb178fcc56d651945212945000021bd29bdbdf189ec4dfcb83949e1813de1585881cd3dcd X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/635/Mon Dec 20 15:27:41 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The dress looks gorgeous! Wish I had 3 trusty tiring-maids to help me get dressed in my Elizabethans! Really a terrific job, I've forwarded it to the Guildemaster of the Guilde of St. George at Bristol to provide him with additional....ahem....inspiration on his next gown design for the Queen. Karen -- "Wicked Frau" wrote: Sorry for the cross posts. Thought you all might be interested. A special thanks to Ninya Mikhaila for giving us the idea for the presentation. http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html For any Phoenix locals, We have been asked to do two repeat performances coupled with Musica Dulce performances: Palomino Library . Sat / Jan 8 / 2 to 3 PM Mustang Library . Sat / Feb 5 / 2 to 3:30 PM (Auditorium) Please call the Library (see link above for number) to confirm times. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 21 23:09:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBM49GJY032090 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:09:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBM47p2L007223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:07:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBM47erE023521; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBM47ch3023477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBM5E9lh024328 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:14:09 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: magician clothing? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:26:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412212326.01840.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 21 December 2004 2:58 pm, Marc Carlson wrote: > >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > > > It's an interpretive thing - "what did medieval magicians" wear?" (or > > > whatever) could refer to any number of things. I'm taking it to mean > > > whether they had distinctive clothing at all, not simply what did they > > > >wear > > > > > day to day. Ritual clothing would fall into that catagory. > > > >I suspect magicians would not wear any particular ritual clothing, either, > >except perhaps a medal, special belt, or other talisman with occult > >significance to them. > >When I think of ritual magicians, I imagine them wearing the costume a > >Doctor > >of Philosophy, or perhaps Theology, would wear. > > As I believe I said, normally they are likely to have worn regular clothing > (personally, I'm not convinced if I were going to be handling smelling > burning things, I'd be all that inclined to dress up, although I might have > stuck to a specific set of "work clothes" :) ). [rest snipped] Yes, and I'm agreeing with you. I commented only to provide more of a mental picture for people whose primary clothing is not the medieval period. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 22 08:09:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMD9LUu027930 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBMD862L004915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:08:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMD7pjl066125; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMD7V7e065678 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:06:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979261C@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty Thread-Index: AcTnkTsI/6O+joIUSMyakjS6xsLSrAAlaAyQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Sorry for the cross posts. Thought you all might be > interested. A special > thanks to Ninya Mikhaila for giving us the idea for the presentation. > > > > http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html Bravo I've been following the progress with interest - gald it all worked so well! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 22 13:09:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMI9djN001945 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:09:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBMI8I2L011517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMI87pY065458; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMI7Y3S064975 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20041222180715016003j4oue>; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:07:15 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:07:26 -0500 Subject: Wig? was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for Her Majesty From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c4e77c$12e51320$6401a8c0@SG01> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The gown is breathtaking! But I must also ask: who did the wig and/or how was it done? I have been looking at modern wigs to style in various 18th and 11th century ways (my hair is growing but never fast enough!) and I don't find the wigs up-sweep all that well -- they seem to be specifically designed for the hair to hang down, and when it goes up the underlying net shows. Am I just looking at inferior wigs? Or, like, is there an historical wig-stylers list I should be reading? Thanks, Lauren > From: "Wicked Frau" > http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 22 15:31:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMKV5AQ003057 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:31:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBMKUG2L024300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:30:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMKU7Q8072378; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBMKU5an072342 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChD7U-0007jh-00; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:30:04 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: Wig? was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for HerMajesty Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c4e865$0bc705f0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBMKU5an072342 Cc: "'Heather Heroldt'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Laura-I think you can get all the info you need on the wig here: http://www.heatherspages.net/elizabeth%201/eliza%20hair.htm Towards the bottom you will see that it was tailor made for us. Heather can explain it better because she worked with the lady. I think it is three hair pieces with half ''doughnuts'' used to sweep the hair over. Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Lauren Walker >Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:07 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Wig? was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for HerMajesty > >The gown is breathtaking! But I must also ask: who did the wig and/or how >was it done? I have been looking at modern wigs to style in various 18th and >11th century ways (my hair is growing but never fast enough!) and I don't >find the wigs up-sweep all that well -- they seem to be specifically >designed for the hair to hang down, and when it goes up the underlying net >shows. Am I just looking at inferior wigs? Or, like, is there an historical >wig-stylers list I should be reading? >Thanks, >Lauren > >> From: "Wicked Frau" > >> http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 22 16:07:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBML7Oae003342 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:07:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBML6d2L027202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:06:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBML6XU6098992; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51107.mail.yahoo.com (web51107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBML4Hea097269 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alineswynbrook@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98992 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2004 21:04:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am currently gettting ready to improve my wardrobe for one of the areas I do historical reenactment/recreation, and possibly undertake a new area, and I would love recommendations of good resources and patterns for both. 1) I currently am working on fine-tuning an impression of a mid-15th century English woman, unmarried merchant's daughter, probably living in either London or Canterbury. I have had both kirtles and houplande's suggested to me. I would love suggestions. 2) My current boyfriend also does World War II reenactment, portraying a British infantry soldier. I would like to work on putting together a good impression of a young English girl (early 20's) either in one of the government nursing services or as a civillian (or both...). Again, any suggestions would be wonderfully appreciated. Thank You very much, Aline __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. 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Kathleen Norvell --part1_c0.1e6ae8c0.2efbbeca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_c0.1e6ae8c0.2efbbeca_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 04:37:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBN9bSXa005974 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBN9af2L016143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:36:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBN9aSbm018588; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBN9ZvrB018348 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2AF3190D9 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:35:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41CA9175.5070607@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:35:49 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Wig? was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for HerMajesty References: <000a01c4e865$0bc705f0$6401a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <000a01c4e865$0bc705f0$6401a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! This is really impressive! It is so complete with all the accessories and even beautifull shoes! Who made those beautiful jewels with the stones and pearls in them? Deredere Wicked Frau wrote: >Hi Laura-I think you can get all the info you need on the wig here: > >http://www.heatherspages.net/elizabeth%201/eliza%20hair.htm > >Towards the bottom you will see that it was tailor made for us. Heather can >explain it better because she worked with the lady. I think it is three >hair pieces with half ''doughnuts'' used to sweep the hair over. > >Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 06:02:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNB2gLq024310 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNB272L019838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNB20j8056778; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNB1v8i056506 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:01:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBNB1L224428.; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:01:21 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:01:21 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:01:13 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Forehead cloth, was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne for HerMajesty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was interested by the small size of the forehead cloth shown on the Accessories page. I wear one with my 17th century coif to hide my thick fringe (bangs), but I make them big enough to tie the corners at the back. My linen one makes rather a bulky knot. Perhaps I should try a smaller one with tapes at the corners. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> triade@kabelfoon.nl 23/12/2004 09:35:49 >>> Wow! This is really impressive! It is so complete with all the accessories and even beautifull shoes! Who made those beautiful jewels with the stones and pearls in them? Deredere Wicked Frau wrote: >Hi Laura-I think you can get all the info you need on the wig here: > >http://www.heatherspages.net/elizabeth%201/eliza%20hair.htm > >Towards the bottom you will see that it was tailor made for us. Heather can >explain it better because she worked with the lady. I think it is three >hair pieces with half ''doughnuts'' used to sweep the hair over. > >Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 09:52:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEq6nV002166 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:52:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNEox2L001448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEogCc073397; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:50:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEoeb7073376 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChUIZ-0001y5-00; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:50:39 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: Wig? was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne forHerMajesty Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:50:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c4e8fe$cd5f2b40$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C4E8C4.21005340" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41CA9175.5070607@kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000BFB8328EEA2B2B41A2B30DDDA5FFFF20245E3F00 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C4E8C4.21005340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was the Queen herself! (Heather Heroldt) Aren't they wonderful? I showed her the ones you had done and she went from there! http://www.heatherspages.net/elizabeth%201/eliza%20access.htm Sg >Who made those beautiful jewels with the stones and pearls in them? > >Deredere ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C4E8C4.21005340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C4E8C4.21005340-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 09:56:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEuZct002182 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:56:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNEsp2L001611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:54:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEspaE075693; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEpZMp073910 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChUJS-00029w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:51:34 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric Warehouse Frequent Shoppers - We need yourhelp! Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c4e8fe$ee48eb70$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoops, no attachments are allowed I think, and nothing in the body?? Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Appin1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:25 PM >To: tuesdaynitecostumers@yahoogroups.com; h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Fabric Warehouse Frequent Shoppers - We need yourhelp! > >Anyone want to buy a fabric store? > >Kathleen Norvell > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 09:59:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNExKZ4002194 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNEw82L001813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEw1RT077532; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:58:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNEvwmh077511 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChUPe-0003yR-00; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:57:58 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:58:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c4e8ff$d30dfbb0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBNEvwmh077511 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Forehead cloth, was A Suitable Gowne for HerMajesty X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah yes, making this gown and all the accessories was very educational to us. This was one of the those things that we looked at extant pieces and thought to ourselves, "man those look too small". But we went with it and it worked perfectly. I don't think Heather used any ties, pins etc. It just sits there and is held in place by the coif. Here is where we looked at extant pieces: http://costume.dm.net/headwear/coifpics.html About the middle of the page there is one with the forehead cloth on top....(it also says that they were stitched to the coif-errr I don't think so.) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 10:28:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFSHwg002372 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:28:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNFRW2L007473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFRALo095543; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFR6tD095167 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id iBNFQU222082.; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:26:31 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:26:30 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:25:52 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Forehead cloth, was A Suitable Gowne for HerMajesty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It wouldn't "just sit" on me; my hair is thick and strong and needs to be tied down! I'd misinterpreted the photo and thought I saw a tape there. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> wickedfrau@earthlink.net 23/12/2004 14:58:12 >>> Ah yes, making this gown and all the accessories was very educational to us. This was one of the those things that we looked at extant pieces and thought to ourselves, "man those look too small". But we went with it and it worked perfectly. I don't think Heather used any ties, pins etc. It just sits there and is held in place by the coif. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 10:34:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFYHK3002409 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:34:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNFWs2L008764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:32:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFWnT2099182; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:32:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFWk4t099151 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:32:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChUxI-0005ea-00; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:32:45 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Forehead cloth, was A Suitable Gowne forHerMajesty Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:32:56 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c4e904$aedac390$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh yes, Heather has a ton of hair too and either braids and sews it with a ribbon or when she wears the wig wraps it firmly around her head in a flat sort of way. I think she might have some info on how she does her hair on her website too. Sg >It wouldn't "just sit" on me; my hair is thick and strong and needs to >be tied down! I'd misinterpreted the photo and thought I saw a tape >there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 10:54:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFspkL002471 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNFs92L014610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:54:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFrxE0013593; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:53:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNFros1013338 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E92E4B38 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:53:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41CAE9FF.8080309@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:53:35 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Wig? was Re: [h-cost] Its finally done! A Suitable Gowne forHerMajesty References: <001301c4e8fe$cd5f2b40$6401a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <001301c4e8fe$cd5f2b40$6401a8c0@SG01> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They look great!! Much better than the ones I made myself! I thought they were real metal. Greetings, Deredere Wicked Frau wrote: >That was the Queen herself! (Heather Heroldt) Aren't they wonderful? I >showed her the ones you had done and she went from there! > >http://www.heatherspages.net/elizabeth%201/eliza%20access.htm > > >Sg > > > >>Who made those beautiful jewels with the stones and pearls in them? >> >>Deredere >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 14:34:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNJYpQs003507 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBNJWr2L006562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:32:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNJUKBG082645; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBNJUIOs082393 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.trussardi@xtra.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.157]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041223192957.GYUC21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:29:57 +1300 Received: from TRUSSARDI ([210.86.76.179]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041223192956.DUER23571.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@TRUSSARDI> for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:29:56 +1300 From: "Gabriella Trussardi" To: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:29:56 +1300 Message-ID: <002301c4e925$c916e880$0301010a@TRUSSARDI> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] happy holidays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to give thanks to everyone on the list who shares their knowledge and opinions so freely. I am indebted to everyone who offered website links, listed book recommendations (thanks to this list I had to buy a new bookcase in August), gave picture interpretations and posted photos of work. Although I'm still hugely ignorant, compared to this time last year I'm a tiny bit less ignorant, and grateful for it. Thank you all, and may your holidays be peaceful and full of kindness. Gabriella from New Zealand _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 22:07:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO37kCl006393 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBO3752L006548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:07:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO36nU1069971; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO36lBd069876 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 5AF041BCA31; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 03:06:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust140.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.140]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FCD71BC9E5 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 03:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:07:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBO37kCl006393 Status: RO The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is great-grandma-in-law's collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one small piece, it's not even discolored. What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as I can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to risk bleach. Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell them, and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to draft something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of fun to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial wallpaper, for example. -E House (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff of smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 22:26:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO3Q9Tm006491 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBO3PW2L007605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:25:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO3PQxT079663; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBO3PMgB079579 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87060 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2004 03:25:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DS7bUZyKZnM67St6jUay+feMTzy1i/ZtfxqBIRDb6dqSLMinWCnbYZ19exPPOAKN3w1qWysdCCYU0OoTeGgwrhW6Hnz9ixoY9N+gDEpvay/XAEb8zu38WktIgj6J2tcfnc/6G0+CBwQEPOVG+jEO/IZ5jGIKjmnZ2tbanec64d4= ; Message-ID: <20041224032521.87058.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.57.53] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:25:21 PST Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I've got a fair collection of cotton lace from 1890-1930 and I've always had good luck cleaning/deordorizing it with a gentle soak in Oxy Clean. I wouldn't use it for silk, but I have never had a problem with cotton lace. I've gotten some pretty yucky stuff looking almost new again... I don't know what to do with the patterns. Perhaps a conversation with a local museum or historical site? Sometimes an e-mail to a museum can be helpful? Congratulations on your acquisitions, that's wonderful! Regards, Chris G. E House wrote: The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is great-grandma-in-law's collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one small piece, it's not even discolored. What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as I can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to risk bleach. Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell them, and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to draft something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of fun to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial wallpaper, for example. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 23 22:29:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO3TGJq006501 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:29:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBO3Si2L007883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO3Sc2p081667; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO3SGe2081450 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m162.in-tch.com [216.166.191.162]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBO3Pof27164 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:25:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41CB8DF0.7010101@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:33:04 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/638/Tue Dec 21 15:41:34 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm afraid I don't know much about textile conservation (or paper), so I can't help you directly. BUT, I do have a friend who's the senior curator of our local historical museum, and I know she's had some training in these areas. As it turns out, I'm having dinner with her tomorrow, so I'll ask her if she's got ideas for you, or other sources. --sue E House wrote: > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is > great-grandma-in-law's collection of lace and patterns, from > 1909-1913. The BAD news is that they're spent nearly a century around > a family full of smokers! One bit of the lace is badly deteriorated, > from plain old age, but the rest is in almost perfect condition, > apart from the awful stench. Other than that one small piece, it's > not even discolored. > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as > far as I can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not > willing to risk bleach. > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to > sell them, and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I > might like to draft something in my size from them. I don't think > they're enormously rare, or anything like that, so I may consider > preserving them in a way that would reduce the value, from a > historian's point of view. It would be kind of fun to laminate them, > and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial wallpaper, for > example. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 01:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO610aS007337 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:01:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBO60C2L016270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO602Ms062330; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBO5xuYX062201 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.cf.1eb461e6 (4380) for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:59:45 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:59:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Any body want to buy a fabric store?(Try again) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is from the Fabric Warehouse in Baltimore County: *************************************************************** Thanks for being a Frequent Shopper at our store. As you know, and some of you have not yet heard, Tony (the owner) got Married in October. Now he's moving to Mass. in March of 2005! We need to find a new person to OWN the Store or we're going to have to close. The Staff really wants to stay and keep working, but they need someone to purchase the store and keep it open or they too will loose their jobs. Do you know anyone? If so, Please let us know! We only have a few more weeks before we have to start a going out of business sale. So far, we have had a few interested persons, but none were able to follow thru or decided it was too much work and they backed out. We're offering a Commission to anyone who can bring us a buyer. Hope to see you soon! Happy Holidays from all of us here at Fabric Warehouse Shirley (& Tony) _shirley@fabricwarehouse.net_ (mailto:shirley@fabricwarehouse.net) ************************************* Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 06:11:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOBBj6Y002342 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOBAm2L014448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOBAbkg036011; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:10:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOBAUOA035918 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ED6101E0 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.34]) by filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28618-48-7 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822FC101DA for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41CBF919.3070503@telenet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:10:17 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any body want to buy a fabric store?(Try again) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The next question is: Baltimore County in what state? Appin1@aol.com wrote: >This is from the Fabric Warehouse in Baltimore County: > >(snipped) >We need to find a new person to OWN the Store or we're going to have to >close. The Staff really wants to stay and keep working, but they need someone to >purchase the store and keep it open or they too will loose their jobs. >(snipped) >Kathleen Norvell > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 09:10:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOEAVCL005023 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:10:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOE9r2L025965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOE9fgu029729; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOE9dAe029655 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from MeganLaptop (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF7315C71 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Any body want to buy a fabric store?(Try again) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <41CBF919.3070503@telenet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTpq8u8zuw2AYToTrGGyBf0MlzpcwAFl2Dw Message-Id: <20041224140932.5FF7315C71@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maryland -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Home Ec Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 6:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any body want to buy a fabric store?(Try again) The next question is: Baltimore County in what state? Appin1@aol.com wrote: >This is from the Fabric Warehouse in Baltimore County: > >(snipped) >We need to find a new person to OWN the Store or we're going to have to >close. The Staff really wants to stay and keep working, but they need someone to >purchase the store and keep it open or they too will loose their jobs. >(snipped) >Kathleen Norvell > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 09:15:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOEFfl4005066 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOEF32L026124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOEEx3A032416; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOECQlZ031025 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.162]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A34715EE033 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:12:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:12:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] merry christmass for all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, We celebrate christmas this evening, so we are ahead of you. I just got back from work, dripping wet because it rained and snowed all day. Now i have to prepare our christmas dinner, we are going to eat roasted duck and ris'allamande wich is a desert with rice, whipped cream, vanilla and almonds, served with cherry sauce. I wish you a blessed merry christmas and hope you get some wonderfull hollidays. I am off to the kitchen...... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 10:03:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOF3hYe005337 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:03:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOF352L028118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:03:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOF2xjW058242; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from covert.brown-ring.iadfw.net (8f.7b.d1c4.cidr.airmail.net [209.196.123.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOF2ugw058187 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lecachot@airmail.net) Received: from airmail3.airmail.net ([209.196.123.60] helo=webmail.airmail.net) by covert.iadfw.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Chqzk-0006lE-Vj for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:04:44 -0600 Received: from gateway.sitel.net ([206.24.48.67]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lecachot@airmail.net) by webmail.airmail.net with HTTP; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:52:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <2250.206.24.48.67.1103899959.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> In-Reply-To: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:52:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] merry christmass for all From: lecachot@airmail.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That souunds absolutely scrumptious, want to share the recipe for the ris'allamande? :) Thanks, Susan > Hi, > We celebrate christmas this evening, so we are ahead of you. > I just got back from work, dripping wet because it rained and snowed all > day. > Now i have to prepare our christmas dinner, we are going to eat roasted > duck > and ris'allamande wich is a desert with rice, whipped cream, vanilla and > almonds, served with cherry sauce. > I wish you a blessed merry christmas and hope you get some wonderfull > hollidays. > I am off to the kitchen...... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 10:24:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOFO047005420 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOFMl2L029069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:22:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOFMevB068967; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:22:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOFMbST068891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBOGTLbt021992 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:29:21 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] merry christmass for all Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:41:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412241041.13624.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 24 December 2004 9:12 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > We celebrate christmas this evening, so we are ahead of you. > I just got back from work, dripping wet because it rained and snowed all > day. > Now i have to prepare our christmas dinner, we are going to eat roasted > duck and ris'allamande wich is a desert with rice, whipped cream, vanilla > and almonds, served with cherry sauce. Yum. It sounds wonderful, Bjarne. > I wish you a blessed merry christmas and hope you get some wonderfull > hollidays. You too. Merry Christmas, everybody! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 10:31:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOFVeOI005479 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOFV82L029567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOFV2Nw073804; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOFV1DV073769 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m128.in-tch.com [216.166.191.128]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBOFScf07019 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:28:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41CC3759.1020101@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:35:53 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] merry christmass for all References: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy Holidays to you, too, Bjarne, and to Leif! (and to everyone on the list, of course! ;o) My religious observance of the season was earlier this month, but I'm off to spend the weekend with family (the secular end of Christmas, since I'm not Christian), which will involve exchanging presents, and eating turkey dinner. Tonight, I'm going out to dinner with several friends to a lovely local restaurant that specializes in Mediterranean and North African cuisines. We get very silly for a bunch of middle-aged women...we have holiday crackers imported from England (the kind with a prize and a paper crown), and all kinds of funny little gifts for each other. --sue, off to wrap more presents and listen to lovely music on the radio ;-D Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > We celebrate christmas this evening, so we are ahead of you. > I just got back from work, dripping wet because it rained and snowed all > day. > Now i have to prepare our christmas dinner, we are going to eat roasted > duck and ris'allamande wich is a desert with rice, whipped cream, > vanilla and almonds, served with cherry sauce. > I wish you a blessed merry christmas and hope you get some wonderfull > hollidays. > I am off to the kitchen...... > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 13:26:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIQE0h007187 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:26:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOIPN2L010241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:25:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIPBWu075667; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIP5n9075596 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.162]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C07BE47FE09 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:25:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c4e9e5$e6391620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:25:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ris 'allemande X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, You make a porridge with the rice. Boil it with milk and a little sugar and half a split of vanilla. Then you whip the cream and when the rice porridge is cold, it is turned gently into the whipped cream. Chop the almonds wich are white (without the shell) and mix these into the rice mix. If you want it really like christmass, you put one whole almond into it. Served with hot cherry sauce with berries. The one who gets the almond has wun, and gets the "mandelgaven" (almond pressent) You eat this after the big meal, so everybody usually is struggling with their appetite to get the almond. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 13:46:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIkUON007386 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOIjn2L011231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:45:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIjg1x087229; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:45:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.io.com (smtp.io.com [206.224.87.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIjbsA087126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:45:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (IDENT:8r5vKdH6+ZqObHPBjUXbzpIfwlVeLuCr@webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by smtp.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOIjT13007231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:45:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBOIjSg2004783 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:45:28 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iBOIjS9H004781; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:45:28 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: apache set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 24.1.84.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:45:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <63142.24.1.84.130.1103913928.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <001001c4e9e5$e6391620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001001c4e9e5$e6391620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:45:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 12:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on smtp.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OOOOOO!!! My grandmother used to make this for me every morning before school, I never knew the recipe. Thank you!!! This is a great christmas present, a lost grandma favorite, found! :) I never thought anyone would know what I was talking about if I asked. She was adopted by a hispanic family, she was an albino in Texas of all places. We know very little about her. She raised me. She also banned me from the kitchen, thus, I never learned to cook all my favorite foods. :( Chiara Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > > Hi, > You make a porridge with the rice. Boil it with milk and a little > sugar and > half a split of vanilla. > Then you whip the cream and when the rice porridge is cold, it is > turned > gently into the whipped cream. Chop the almonds wich are white > (without the > shell) and mix these into the rice mix. If you want it really like > christmass, you put one whole almond into it. > Served with hot cherry sauce with berries. The one who gets the > almond has > wun, and gets the "mandelgaven" (almond pressent) > You eat this after the big meal, so everybody usually is struggling > with > their appetite to get the almond. > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 14:15:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOJF3pC007669 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOJEQ2L013665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOJELFc003918; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOJEHJI003886 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so52905rng for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=o3JyqZzjwlSd04b7JlnRm5lpUYHyKJnM5e0iPmHx4xfnEgpNR5iVmMywGze9piLD6u6iBrJG6vbgTnlEmF/L7fUBbwHqtLJWqppyx7KflbAp/FVswO1dMTSS+fofTkM5TnMWCEquUqjmBO4b5m6I0fIZMOTgsxGMrUecQQnyUjQ= Received: by 10.38.207.30 with SMTP id e30mr3152rng; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1904122411144b09d3c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:14:17 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200412241902.iBOJ1WAG096239@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412241902.iBOJ1WAG096239@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Merry christmas for all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:02:21 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:12:21 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] merry christmass for all > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > We celebrate christmas this evening, so we are ahead of you. > I just got back from work, dripping wet because it rained and snowed all > day. > Now i have to prepare our christmas dinner, we are going to eat roasted duck > and ris'allamande wich is a desert with rice, whipped cream, vanilla and > almonds, served with cherry sauce. > I wish you a blessed merry christmas and hope you get some wonderfull > hollidays. > I am off to the kitchen...... You sew AND cook?! You know, we're all going to want to adopt you now! :P Merry christmas everyone :) > > Bjarne > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 14:19:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOJJK4F007704 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:19:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOJIq2L013900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOJImHD006290; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOJEKGl003911 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so70527rna for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=o3JyqZzjwlSd04b7JlnRm5lpUYHyKJnM5e0iPmHx4xfnEgpNR5iVmMywGze9piLD6u6iBrJG6vbgTnlEmF/L7fUBbwHqtLJWqppyx7KflbAp/FVswO1dMTSS+fofTkM5TnMWCEquUqjmBO4b5m6I0fIZMOTgsxGMrUecQQnyUjQ= Received: by 10.38.207.30 with SMTP id e30mr3152rng; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1904122411144b09d3c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:14:17 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200412241902.iBOJ1WAG096239@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412241902.iBOJ1WAG096239@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Merry christmas for all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:02:21 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:12:21 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] merry christmass for all > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c4e9c2$986acd80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > We celebrate christmas this evening, so we are ahead of you. > I just got back from work, dripping wet because it rained and snowed all > day. > Now i have to prepare our christmas dinner, we are going to eat roasted duck > and ris'allamande wich is a desert with rice, whipped cream, vanilla and > almonds, served with cherry sauce. > I wish you a blessed merry christmas and hope you get some wonderfull > hollidays. > I am off to the kitchen...... You sew AND cook?! You know, we're all going to want to adopt you now! :P Merry christmas everyone :) > > Bjarne > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 15:47:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOKlevI008446 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:47:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOKkN2L018515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOKkFIu056082; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOKkCUZ056055 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChwKB-0007DV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:46:11 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ris 'allemande Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:46:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c4e9f9$a4a40e40$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001001c4e9e5$e6391620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was thinking this word looked terribly familiar and I figured it out. Allemand is the French word for German..(I've never taken French, and have no idea why I recognized it.)...what do you suppose that connection is?? Sg Have wonderful holidays whichever you celebrate! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 16:11:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLB5Jd008619 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:11:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOLAV2L020981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLAPG0069746; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBOLAMmC069651 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail29.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.169]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA63BPCAEESYE2 for (sender ); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:09:54 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCiKQll7LHV/DU1Th6XX0GCLXlcqpDVBI3Q== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail29.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFM5NDGQ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:09:21 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail29.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:08:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:08:50 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy holidays X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041224.130921.16674.46933@webmail29.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1726882927 X-MAIL-INFO: 05eb6f1b7bef576747a70a4e022b2a7f0e8fd302bf830333ca4ade638ac363b76b8a5bc35b5b5acf5e87db9e0bea5fa3275fae7aa36e276e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wishing everyone on the list a safe and joyous day no matter what you are celebrating (and even if you aren't celebrating anything at all!). Karen ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 16:24:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLOCQh008693 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:24:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOLMZ2L021449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:22:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLLXhw075530; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLLTws075435 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004122421212301100asg92e>; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:21:23 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:21:33 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stab stitching? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, and happy holidays, I am still squinting hard at the illustrations in Woven Into The Earth, and I am having an hell of a time actually SEEING the stitches as described. One of the stitch types that Ostergard mentions frequently is "stab stitching". This makes me think of sewing so violently that one draws blood (ow ow ow), but I gather that "stab stitching" is a sort of running stitch? Can anyone enlighten me further? Also, about "singling" the edges -- this is sewing that follows the plane of the fabric, perpendicular to the cut edge? (most seams are perpendicular to the plane of the fabric and parallel to a cut edge.) Somehow I am not seeing in the photos what the accompanying diagrams tell me I should see, and I just want to confirm this with others. Because I have a 3-day weekend and some un-cut wool fabric to play with... Thanks - Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 16:43:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLhUSd008818 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:43:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOLgk2L022167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:42:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLgeYE086099; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLgccY086080 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.246]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ChxCn-0001VA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <15889282.1103924557799.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] stab stitching? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I understand it, "stab stitching" is the sort where you poke the needle down (or up) through the fabric, draw the thread snug, "stab" the other direction, draw the thread snug, etc - as opposed to running stitch where you take up several stitches on the needle at once before drawing the thread through. The result can look like running stitch, though... DOn't know anything about "singling", though...... Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Lauren Walker Sent: Dec 24, 2004 1:21 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] stab stitching? Hi, and happy holidays, I am still squinting hard at the illustrations in Woven Into The Earth, and I am having an hell of a time actually SEEING the stitches as described. One of the stitch types that Ostergard mentions frequently is "stab stitching". This makes me think of sewing so violently that one draws blood (ow ow ow), but I gather that "stab stitching" is a sort of running stitch? Can anyone enlighten me further? Also, about "singling" the edges -- this is sewing that follows the plane of the fabric, perpendicular to the cut edge? (most seams are perpendicular to the plane of the fabric and parallel to a cut edge.) Somehow I am not seeing in the photos what the accompanying diagrams tell me I should see, and I just want to confirm this with others. Because I have a 3-day weekend and some un-cut wool fabric to play with... Thanks - Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 16:47:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLlAan008894 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:47:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOLkK2L022360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:46:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLkI1n088054; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOLk6cM087964 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.68] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChxG7-00041w-J1 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <012f01c4ea01$f10e2740$44399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] stab stitching? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:45:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0ba933cd80a7a46ba43891bc65b5b4e207350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.68 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lauren wrote: One > of the stitch types that Ostergard mentions frequently is "stab stitching". > This makes me think of sewing so violently that one draws blood (ow ow > ow), > but I gather that "stab stitching" is a sort of running stitch? Can anyone > enlighten me further? > Instead of working almost horizontally and passing the needle through the fabric several times before pulling the thread through, as in a running stitch, you work vertically and pass the needle through the fabric from top to bottom, pull the thread, then bottom to top, pull the thread, repeat. The end results look almost the same but you can get very more even stitches and have better control. It's slower, and it also helps if you can hold the fabric taut. Happy holidays, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 17:20:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMKQcf009151 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:20:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOMJn2L024818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:19:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMJd6Q005953; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMJaRj005892 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.147.3bd96e90 (4394) for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <147.3bd96e90.2efdefeb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:19:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/24/2004 1:29:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > You eat this after the big meal, so everybody usually is struggling with > their appetite to get the almond. > Fun AND yummy! I know I'm jumping the gun but we here in the South do a similar thing at New Years. You're supposed to have the traditional New Year's Day dinner of ham [any pork will do actually] red eye gravy [made with coffee and pan drippings] greens and black eyed peas. You put a dime in the big serving bowl of peas [my mother was afraid someone would swallow the dime so she used a silver dollar] and whoever gets it keeps it all year for luck. Black eyed peas aren't dessert but they are yummy too, especially with a garnish of chopped raw onion. Well, I must say Christmas doesn't look like it's under siege here [or anywhere else for that matter] but I'm an atheist so I'll wish everyone a Saturnalia Gloriosa! Happy Holidays everyone....and PEACE ON EARTH! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 17:24:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMOoqH009184 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOMOM2L025019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMOL8F008335; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMM6jW007164 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:22:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9a.1c8baa83 (4394) for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:21:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1c8baa83.2efdf087@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:21:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/24/2004 3:49:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: > Allemand is the French word for German It's a dance too, no? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 17:50:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMoXPT009377 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:50:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBOMnq2L026085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:49:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMnm1G026880; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBOMnkIt026844 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A6D30FD4 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p630.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.218.123]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82D4DD477 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:49:43 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ris 'allemande Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:49:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c4e9e5$e6391620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is one of two recipes my German Grandmother made. Both she called German puddings or rice puddings. She liked to make the baked one more. My other Grandmother told me once that on Christmas Day her family would make the rice porridge and hide an almond in it. The porridge would be dished out and the one who had the almond in their bowl would get a Christmas wish and through the coming year the family would see what could be done to grant this wish. Happy Holidays! De -----Original Message----- Hi, You make a porridge with the rice. Boil it with milk and a little sugar and half a split of vanilla. Then you whip the cream and when the rice porridge is cold, it is turned gently into the whipped cream. Chop the almonds wich are white (without the shell) and mix these into the rice mix. If you want it really like christmass, you put one whole almond into it. Served with hot cherry sauce with berries. The one who gets the almond has wun, and gets the "mandelgaven" (almond pressent) You eat this after the big meal, so everybody usually is struggling with their appetite to get the almond. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 21:29:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBP2ThgF011280 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBP2Sr2L006947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:28:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBP2SWKe047870; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBP2SVTX047856 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.116] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ci1fR-0002L5-Iq for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:28:30 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c4ea29$64d7f5d0$74159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9a.1c8baa83.2efdf087@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:28:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b7aa20c0577a932895dc8e79ed6fbb732350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.116 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat wrote: >> Allemand is the French word for German > > It's a dance too, no? > _______________________________________________ Yup. Very popular in the late 16th c, and settings by various composers survive. It's described in Arbeau's _Orchesographie_ (1589). -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 24 23:57:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBP4v7Sl013640 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:57:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBP4uO2L013334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBP4uDKO026883; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBP4uAEU026826 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA636Y6AH3TZ8J for (sender ); Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkgXdXWNa66p2ET6WPxh6mI= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFNYBYBN; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:55:31 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:39:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] stab stitching? Message-ID: <20041224.205517.3068.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-18,22-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:466476245 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/640/Thu Dec 23 11:48:27 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:21:33 -0500 Lauren Walker writes: > Hi, and happy holidays, > I am still squinting hard at the illustrations in Woven Into The > Earth, and > I am having an hell of a time actually SEEING the stitches as > described. One > of the stitch types that Ostergard mentions frequently is "stab > stitching". > This makes me think of sewing so violently that one draws blood (ow > ow ow), > but I gather that "stab stitching" is a sort of running stitch? Can > anyone > enlighten me further? Happy holidays! Stab stitching refers to the motion of the stitch itself. If you are drawing thread up from underneath the fabric, you stitch with your needle pointing straight up. Likewise, when you draw your thread to the underside of the fabric, you point your needle straight down. Stab stitch is used in a variety of embroidery styles. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 10:38:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPFcREN014723 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPFbf2L020830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPFbK47071774; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBPFbH6x071704 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18599 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2004 15:37:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5iU1iRyI7RIoZd/z9xcm1rTpw2w+sm3B6DUY65YHQyb+DcdcOvSQNDoMEzH2wwZmzFiwHaDyfg07NUkmVi2g438cRwGFnl566PYpnjSIjkX8ftyOSUTCbx/m06GISBONn7wTdya/01lZdZnR5dkwUsKlt7c62eNlFW3a7Zul7m8= ; Message-ID: <20041225153712.18597.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.23] by web51301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:37:12 PST Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:37:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040527115141.00b6e300@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Singling in Greenland X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Singling appears to be a pre-emptive darning to reinforce edges. The thread follows a woven thread in a few picks, moves over & follows another woven thread back out and so on to reinforce the edge. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 11:43:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPGhvxw015615 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:43:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPGhL2L023261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:43:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPGhBau008297; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPGh4sD008070 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be48.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.72]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D5C0E47FE0B for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:42:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002101c4eaa0$c86bee40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9a.1c8baa83.2efdf087@aol.com> <004b01c4ea29$64d7f5d0$74159b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:42:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Oh yes it is a danse two, and it was popular trough centuries. I know how to danse a german renaissance allemande very cheerfull and gracefull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande > AlbertCat wrote: >>> Allemand is the French word for German >> >> It's a dance too, no? >> _______________________________________________ > > Yup. Very popular in the late 16th c, and settings by various composers > survive. It's described in Arbeau's _Orchesographie_ (1589). > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 13:47:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIljnm017179 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:47:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPIl12L029196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIkf9F080815; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIkdwG080664 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:46:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004122518462501500r8qvce>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:46:25 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:46:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Singling in Greenland From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041225153712.18597.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aha! and Thank you! This explains why it is so hard for me to see in the pictures, too. Lauren > From: Ann Catelli > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:37:12 -0800 (PST) > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Singling in Greenland > > Singling appears to be a pre-emptive darning to > reinforce edges. > > The thread follows a woven thread in a few picks, > moves over & follows another woven thread back out and > so on to reinforce the edge. > > Ann in CT > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 13:53:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIrXkY017230 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPIr02L029526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIqv03084268; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPImWhS081774 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004122518482701500rcfj4e>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:48:27 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:48:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c4eaa0$c86bee40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Isn't "allemande" also a step in modern US square dancing? I seem to remember "allemande left" and "allemande right" being called by the (pre-recorded) caller in the awful, awful 5th grade gym classes in which we were forced to square dance with (ick! germs!) the boys. Funny how differently we felt about those same boys a year or two later! Lauren > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande > > Hi, > Oh yes it is a danse two, and it was popular trough centuries. > I know how to danse a german renaissance allemande very cheerfull and > gracefull. > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 14:00:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPJ05EX017274 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:00:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPIxY2L000323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:59:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIxV21087907; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPIuRKZ086235 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:56:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be48.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.72]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF17047FE9F for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:56:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:56:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello. I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, put a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to iron it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is great-grandma-in-law's collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one small piece, it's not even discolored. What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as I can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to risk bleach. Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell them, and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to draft something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of fun to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial wallpaper, for example. -E House (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff of smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 14:09:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPJ9FHx017352 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:09:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPJ7Z2L000784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:07:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPJ7WXu092465; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPJ5Tuk091128 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id CF79CA08F6; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:05:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust117.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.117]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A214A08AD for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:05:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001d01c4eab4$bfd61df0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <41CB8DF0.7010101@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:05:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you all for the suggestions. Sue, I would be delighted to hear what your friend might advise! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 15:22:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPKMVJE018023 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPKLo2L004088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:21:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPKLNnp041382; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBPKLF7V040832 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2004 20:21:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20041225201951.01495ee0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:21:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps In-Reply-To: References: <002101c4eaa0$c86bee40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:48 25/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Isn't "allemande" also a step in modern US square dancing? I seem to >remember "allemande left" and "allemande right" being called by the >(pre-recorded) caller in the awful, awful 5th grade gym classes in which we >were forced to square dance with (ick! germs!) the boys. > >Funny how differently we felt about those same boys a year or two later! >Lauren > I think this may be a corruption of "A la main" left etc. In other words, to the left hand, etc. Suzi, full of Christmas dinner!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 18:09:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPN9fxO020188 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:09:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBPN7k2L013300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:07:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPN7N1R039190; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBPN7L7B039168 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7B530FD7 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:07:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p495.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.241]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F0724C423 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:07:19 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:07:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041225201951.01495ee0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually allemande is used in reference to square and round dances. It is used to discribe one of the dance movements like doseedo (sp?) means to go forward to the right of your partner and while still facing forward come around to the left side of the partner and back up to your oringinal spot. I am mind fogging on the allemande step. "Al la main" is what, so I am told, a "corruption" of allemande through years of the country twang/accent. Most early callers learned the movements by listening to a caller, it was rare to learn from a book. De Home sick for Christmas but my cats are doing thier best to make me feel better.:) -----Original Message----- At 13:48 25/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Isn't "allemande" also a step in modern US square dancing? I seem to >remember "allemande left" and "allemande right" being called by the >(pre-recorded) caller in the awful, awful 5th grade gym classes in which we >were forced to square dance with (ick! germs!) the boys. > >Funny how differently we felt about those same boys a year or two later! >Lauren > I think this may be a corruption of "A la main" left etc. In other words, to the left hand, etc. Suzi, full of Christmas dinner!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 20:07:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ17Lov022507 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:07:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQ16d2L018549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:06:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ16Sto004097; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQ16L3Q004007 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27836 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 01:06:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=iQ+dXvPleTB55EOI9VplHB8nnulckm+KCH4WP+ToLA7pm3EyfoB1qrsGUuGINVkPvWP/eF61gbVxcmkuUQ8sMe+8czcZDxfH0EM8uXk9kF18GvFFryJNg/yI6KacksZQvl9BeMK9WpJ0dovMl4/EZ6aPrXVkbdIkR6cN+cFR7M0= ; Message-ID: <20041226010616.27834.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.107] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:06:16 PST Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:06:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- otsisto wrote: > doseedo (sp?) > > De Dosido, corrupted from "dos a dos" or back to back. And wasn't that a moment, when I could interpret that notation in a dance manual to be something I can dance--even in a train. ok, it was a short train. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 21:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ2r5Nj024483 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:53:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQ2qM2L023848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ2pw5v064577; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ2pucE064541 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBQ2poHI028137 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002901c4eaf5$d56d8c70$1902a8c0@duncan> From: "ailith" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c4e8ff$d30dfbb0$6401a8c0@SG01> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:51:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I have to share with *someone*!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have the absolute best friends in the world. Some time ago, I told my husband that I'd really like for us to go to England when I graduate. He replied that he would have to miss Pennsic and that he didn't much care to go to England. Naturally, I was more than a little bummed, but I knew that I couldn't afford to go anyway... Fast forward to today, Christmas day. My friend and her husband stop by to drop off prezzies for the family. Mike hands me a gift to open and tells me that the rest of my gift is in the bottom of the bag. I open the smaller gift--it's the makings for a plaque belt--and then dig around the bag, which weighs next to nothing, to see what's in the bottom. There was an envelope my friend had made that was about the size of a small pencil case--it was supposed to look like something from a travel agency. In it was a poem that she had written, telling me that she and I were going to London for 10 days when I graduate--that her husband was picking up the tab and that all I needed was my suitcases, clothes and spending money. Overwhelmed doesn't even begin to cover the wild rush of feelings. "Thank you" seems *so* inadequate. It looks like it will either be fall of 2005 or spring of 2006. I hope that when we visit London that we can meet with some of y'all! I hope that you all have had as wonderful a holiday as I have! kate, the truly blessed _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 25 23:32:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ4WRnj025839 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:32:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQ4Vo2L029126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:31:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQ4VhPV020078; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50406.mail.yahoo.com (web50406.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQ4Vfup019992 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80823 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 04:31:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002901c4eaf5$d56d8c70$1902a8c0@duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Huzzah! Enjoy yourself Kate!! Definitely very very VERY cool friends! Angharad __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 06:03:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQB3QGN005507 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:03:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQB2V2L027093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQB2Iv6031652; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQB2GW7031630 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40141 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 11:02:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=y9zSPYh47cIAQZGbNalY2jscNAFlFfVKNjdrRrzhexipgxeKe6gtjUjG9dvqH//Kj72RG+z59AU7BdSdFExp65KF9iCFWLnNUEgi+Z+3cVOyRJSfLc21XfBsyrBfZxjl2xLAl5GckIHkHEOAHVX6c2qpet6UZS3z2BQXsClb0ec= ; Message-ID: <20041226110212.40139.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.152] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:02:12 PST Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:02:12 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] I have to share with *someone*!!! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002901c4eaf5$d56d8c70$1902a8c0@duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh HOW wonderful!!! Yes you are very blessed. Pennsic, England, Pennsic??? Nope, England without question. Have FUN and I, for one, can't wait to hear all about it! Chris G. ailith wrote: I have the absolute best friends in the world. Some time ago, I told my husband that I'd really like for us to go to England when I graduate. He replied that he would have to miss Pennsic and that he didn't much care to go to England. Naturally, I was more than a little bummed, but I knew that I couldn't afford to go anyway... Fast forward to today, Christmas day. My friend and her husband stop by to drop off prezzies for the family. Mike hands me a gift to open and tells me that the rest of my gift is in the bottom of the bag. I open the smaller gift--it's the makings for a plaque belt--and then dig around the bag, which weighs next to nothing, to see what's in the bottom. There was an envelope my friend had made that was about the size of a small pencil case--it was supposed to look like something from a travel agency. In it was a poem that she had written, telling me that she and I were going to London for 10 days when I graduate--that her husband was picking up the tab and that all I needed was my suitcases, clothes and spending money. Overwhelmed doesn't even begin to cover the wild rush of feelings. "Thank you" seems *so* inadequate. It looks like it will either be fall of 2005 or spring of 2006. I hope that when we visit London that we can meet with some of y'all! I hope that you all have had as wonderful a holiday as I have! kate, the truly blessed _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 06:36:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQBaEYQ006128 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:36:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQBZG2L028158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQBZAbu049144; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQBZ4SI048931 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:35:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 53549 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 11:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20041226113448.53547.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.143.29] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:34:48 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:34:48 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20041226010616.27834.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann Catelli wrote:--- otsisto wrote: SNIP And wasn't that a moment, when I could interpret that notation in a dance manual to be something I can dance--even in a train. ok, it was a short train. Ann in CT Dancing in a short train? What, one locomotive and a private Pullman car fitted as a Ballroom? Sorry, couldn't resist that! :-)> Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 09:16:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEGfHn013161 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:16:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQEFu2L004339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEFTgA033150; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEFRPF033126 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iBQEFOaR027189 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:15:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041226091421.00b73e30@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:15:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] I have to share with *someone*!!! In-Reply-To: <002901c4eaf5$d56d8c70$1902a8c0@duncan> References: <001e01c4e8ff$d30dfbb0$6401a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow... that is definately a blessing. enjoy your trip... and your friend. ; > Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 09:30:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEU2hP013422 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:30:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQETR2L004913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:29:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQETNjE040784; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQETD03040704 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iBQETCaR001132 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:29:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041226092530.018bfea0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:29:11 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Happy whatever ; > X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks... just a Happy (whatever you happen to be celebrating) Day. I'm keeping you all in my thoughts - hoping the new year brings us all health and joy. And (obligatory knitting content) I am increasingly impressed with others who have done these relic purses. Egads... I'm pecking away at the one on my needles, but every round just gets me closer to saying -never- again. Although I am enjoying the learning process. Bridgette Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 09:52:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEqDTL013830 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:52:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQEpe2L005839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEpYO4053257; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from covert.brown-ring.iadfw.net (8f.7b.d1c4.cidr.airmail.net [209.196.123.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQEpWkH053178 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lecachot@airmail.net) Received: from pppth08-628.ght.iadfw.net ([207.136.61.248] helo=hewlettt06rp0e) by covert.iadfw.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CiZlh-0004AP-PB for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:53:16 -0600 Message-ID: <00cc01c4eb5a$5f134960$f83d88cf@hewlettt06rp0e> From: "Lee & Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c4e9e5$e6391620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:51:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for sharing the instructions, this looks very similar to something my Swedish great-grandmother used to make. I'll have to try it soon :) Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] ris 'allemande > > Hi, > You make a porridge with the rice. Boil it with milk and a little sugar > and half a split of vanilla. > Then you whip the cream and when the rice porridge is cold, it is turned > gently into the whipped cream. Chop the almonds wich are white (without > the shell) and mix these into the rice mix. If you want it really like > christmass, you put one whole almond into it. > Served with hot cherry sauce with berries. The one who gets the almond has > wun, and gets the "mandelgaven" (almond pressent) > You eat this after the big meal, so everybody usually is struggling with > their appetite to get the almond. > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 10:40:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQFeJeL014534 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:40:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQFdY2L008023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQFdLqm080089; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQFdJgQ080058 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:39:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CiaUI-0006J3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:39:18 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c4eb61$1d22ee00$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20041226010616.27834.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cool! I LOVE THIS GROUP! (Imagine me on the piazza yelling that!). >Dosido, corrupted from "dos a dos" or back to back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 12:48:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQHmpAG016074 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQHmA2L014935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:48:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQHlmJn052406; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQHlks4052344 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ac.69563cbd (4004) for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:47:38 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:47:38 EST Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/25/2004 3:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I think this may be a corruption of "A la main" left etc. In other words, to the left hand, etc. So we used to believe--the allemande is usually styled as a forearm turn in modern Western square dancing. But I understand there is also an "allemande" figure in German dances, so the corruption of "a la main" probably doesn't hold--UNLESS that is where the name of the original German figure came from. Many modern Western dancers now swing when doing a dosido, instead of going back to back, but I always insist on it, saying I'm a purist. (And if the caller wants to be nasty, s/he will call "dosido" once and a half, where you would end up back to back with your partner--which is completely messed up if you swing instead!) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 13:40:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQIeowN016584 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:40:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQIeB2L017962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQIe5w4082806; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53606.mail.yahoo.com (web53606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQIdxTo082652 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cw15147-lists@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16672 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 18:39:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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I'm looking for well-recommended Dutch bookstores selling on the web (that will ship internationally), selling Dutch-language books (not literary texts, just popular novels and the like). Amazon.nl bumps you over to amazon.uk, and they don't seem to have a very extensive inventory of Dutch-language books (well, I'm actually looking for audiobooks). Thanks! Oh, and Happy Holidays to ya'll! Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 14:10:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJA8Pa016904 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:10:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQJ9Y2L020382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJ9Pn9001479; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJ3gw4098051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBQJ3cMD019531 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:03:38 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:18:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20041226183952.16670.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Claudine, I would suggest you contact Henk d'Jong. He is the head of a re-enactment (Very Authentically minded and done) in the Netherlands. It actually seems to be his life, avocation and vocation. Henk 't Jong [scapreel@tip.nl] He is a mine of information! Wanda Pease Hope this will be the Best New Year to date > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of cw15147-lists@yahoo.com > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:40 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore > > > Sorry for this completely off-topic post, but I'm > hoping to get help from the international members of > the list. I'm looking for well-recommended Dutch > bookstores selling on the web (that will ship > internationally), selling Dutch-language books (not > literary texts, just popular novels and the like). > Amazon.nl bumps you over to amazon.uk, and they don't > seem to have a very extensive inventory of > Dutch-language books (well, I'm actually looking for > audiobooks). > > Thanks! Oh, and Happy Holidays to ya'll! > > > > Claudine > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 14:43:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJhAv7017248 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:43:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQJfO2L022032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJfHtJ019647; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41008.mail.yahoo.com (web41008.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQJfF69019577 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22041 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 19:41:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FJtBVmM4TMjxDzexWRBT8lb06aeAuWOWhNsnVBTPcBsLEszvXbOnTc54eprG/oczOTMwEw2EjYerWCEtcOWY4U4efqMGf6NvJGw29wXmRAfyNfKYILhXsBKRSGnFgr04cx26zHs2andkDcgk9EBaESEDp2uiFCDTgTxOrbrOm3A= ; Message-ID: <20041226194110.22039.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:41:10 PST Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c4e628$526d6d80$2092d6cb@ewalpole> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DMC Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to tell that DMC has started to make linen embroidery thread, it looks fairly good, the colours are deep and even. I have bought a beginning set with 12 colours. I have not yet tried to stitch with it. The individual threads seems a bit uneveven in thickness though. This is meant for cross-stitch though (I personally hate to do cross-stitches), but personally I think it is fitting for any sort of embroidery one wants to do. Tania --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 14:50:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJoV13017337 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:50:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQJo02L022424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJntLr024364; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJnrg0024293 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20041226194947012007plr4e>; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:49:47 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:49:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041226194110.22039.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cool. Is it being sold by the usual suspects? Lauren > From: Tania Gruning > > I just wanted to tell that DMC has started to make linen embroidery thread, it > looks fairly good, the colours are deep and even. I have bought a beginning > set with 12 colours. > > I have not yet tried to stitch with it. The individual threads seems a bit > uneveven in thickness though. This is meant for cross-stitch though (I > personally hate to do cross-stitches), but personally I think it is fitting > for any sort of embroidery one wants to do. > > Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 14:57:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJvJD5017452 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:57:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQJuo2L022770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:56:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJulr4028092; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQJrW4w026252 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004122619532601100b0jm0e>; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:53:26 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:53:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will have to watch out for you if I am ever square dancing! ;-) But how strange to turn do-si-do into a swing! That's as annoying as using "comprised *of*" for the same reason -- there already *is* a swing, just as there are already lots of words to which you can append "of" to imply "made up of", but only one comprise, which has the sense of "of" already within it. And do-si-do is charming and unique, too! Not, you know, that I would sympathize with being a purist about anything or anything. ;-) Must go take the dog to frolic in the snow. She loves the wintry weather; all the better for accumulating dog-wool for future spinning. Lauren > From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Many modern Western dancers now swing when doing a dosido, instead of going > back to back, but I always insist on it, saying I'm a purist. (And if the > caller wants to be nasty, s/he will call "dosido" once and a half, where you > would end up back to back with your partner--which is completely messed up if > you swing instead!) > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 15:02:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQK2frN017496 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:02:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQK212L023180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQK1wnw033665; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:01:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41004.mail.yahoo.com (web41004.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQK1uYs033602 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65655 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2004 20:01:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IwUAAmEJWxQRRue2uEhn/N2Ha2zUueHnnErCGyY8WKJR+OvnG3P1OgkYumgXAKZf+tKlF6fjIi6vw3hF9MhT00F3+S2224oQCvb1oKNSuyyx+2OrPaunnqBgBF/yS716pJovdyzdxufTUJMoXAQKEFl02WlUQuoUUhPsqMjxmAg= ; Message-ID: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:01:50 PST Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Really have no idea, I found it in a specialty embroidery store in Copenhagen, Denmark, but I suppose so. Tania Lauren Walker wrote: Cool. Is it being sold by the usual suspects? Lauren > From: Tania Gruning > > I just wanted to tell that DMC has started to make linen embroidery thread, it > looks fairly good, the colours are deep and even. I have bought a beginning > set with 12 colours. > > I have not yet tried to stitch with it. The individual threads seems a bit > uneveven in thickness though. This is meant for cross-stitch though (I > personally hate to do cross-stitches), but personally I think it is fitting > for any sort of embroidery one wants to do. > > Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 15:12:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKCNVt017561 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:12:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQKBi2L023805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:11:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKBXuZ039184; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:11:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBQKBWLt039132 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA68GYWAAAARWA for (sender ); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgm/Gs2zCZuFJ8sgvKaLDNsA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFS63ZSK; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:10:28 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:07:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen Message-ID: <20041226.120926.3568.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,11-12,15-16,19-22,24-46 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 16:8:1171397112 X-MAIL-INFO: 3513d37edb07ae13dedbf3dffaabb7d3e7df73b77bc3deb793f3638b038b4f8e0fea9e8bae7fae6ba327e30feba31b9e870f7f1b337bee1b476f7a022a02233ea7031f024bef4b2f43fb3aa78343371f8aa7ef37ab4ff317f3ea5f0bea5f8ea35f8ea3ab07aa1ada133ace3adb735b9acb3ac39e6f670367028f0e028f431f8f43 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Seasons greetings all! My friends at Pastiche -- if you're interested, and you will be ;) -- have been hunting high and low for DMC linen embroidery thread in the U.S. for several years, and called the company. In their infinite wisdom, the DMC folks said, "We don't distribute it in the States--there's no demand for it." After the proprietors explained the number of re-enactors, re-creationists, etc., they got nowhere, but the good news is that they are able to import it from Europe where it is distributed. They were only able to get it in ivory, cream, and beige, and have a local dyer who will be dyeing it for them for folks who want other colors. This will all happen in the next few months. They carry a wide variety of imported fabrics and trims, and a good selection of books. I don't recall their website offhand, but try Googling it under Pastiche Portland. Financial restraint is very difficult to practice regarding their wares. They are both highly skilled and knowledgeable, and can advise you if you have any questions. Arlys, one happy customer On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:41:10 -0800 (PST) Tania Gruning writes: > > I just wanted to tell that DMC has started to make linen embroidery > thread, it looks fairly good, the colours are deep and even. I have > bought a beginning set with 12 colours. > > I have not yet tried to stitch with it. The individual threads seems > a bit uneveven in thickness though. This is meant for cross-stitch > though (I personally hate to do cross-stitches), but personally I > think it is fitting for any sort of embroidery one wants to do. > > Tania > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 15:35:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKZnlR017906 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:35:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQKZC2L025327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:35:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKZ8Qi052607; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKZ7WQ052528 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.66.4d42d770 (18403) for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <66.4d42d770.2f007a70@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:34:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/26/2004 3:14:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cley@juno.com writes: They were only able to get it in ivory, cream, and beige, and have a local dyer who will be dyeing it for them for folks who want other colors. This will all happen in the next few months. Considering how hard it is to dye linen, it would be MUCH more satisfactory to get it factory dyed. Sounds like something else to get friends to look out for when they go to Europe--would certainly be lightweight to carry home. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 15:45:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKjuoo018066 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:45:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQKjL2L025855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:45:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKjHlV058335; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKjFZi058313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-254.sonic.net [209.148.114.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBQKjCD6015465 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:45:13 -0800 Message-ID: <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:45:21 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm surprised no one has yet started the annual topic of "What costume-related gifts did you get for Christmas/Hanukkah/the Solstice?" I always find it interesting. I don't usually get a lot of them myself, as I always buy my own fabric, patterns, and tools, and usually my own books. I did get _Woven into the Earth_ (except it didn't arrive in time), two copies of a circa 1930 sewing booklet, a plastic chest of drawers sort of thing for sewing hardware and notions, and a reproduction Edwardian pendant, white gold and (small) diamond bow with an aquamarine drop suspended from it. I also got a very fancy wooden case. It has a carved frame with an Art Nouveau poster (cafe table with seated woman) decoupaged onto the front and back, and is fully lined with a thin brown felt. It looks like something the Victorian Trading Company would sell. However, I don't know what to do with it. It is apparently intended for carrying and/or storing three bottles of wine, having three slots of appropriate size for same. The problem is, I hardly ever drink anything, there are no occasions on which I'd carry three bottles of wine around, and I don't think you're supposed to store wine upright. I'm trying to think of some sewing stuff I could store in it. Unfortunately the dividers between the wine bottle slots are firmly glued in. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 15:50:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKocu1018154 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:50:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQKnt2L026063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:49:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKnhuf060785; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQKndS3060620 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:49:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37783196E0 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:49:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41CF23D6.5030507@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:49:26 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore References: <20041226183952.16670.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041226183952.16670.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.bol.com/ Try this one cw15147-lists@yahoo.com wrote: >Sorry for this completely off-topic post, but I'm >hoping to get help from the international members of >the list. I'm looking for well-recommended Dutch >bookstores selling on the web (that will ship >internationally), selling Dutch-language books (not >literary texts, just popular novels and the like). >Amazon.nl bumps you over to amazon.uk, and they don't >seem to have a very extensive inventory of >Dutch-language books (well, I'm actually looking for >audiobooks). > >Thanks! Oh, and Happy Holidays to ya'll! > > > >Claudine >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 16:38:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQLcVwu018993 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQLbm2L028871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:37:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQLbd2v088091; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQLbbrJ088002 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m139.in-tch.com [216.166.191.139]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBQLZ6f22428 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:35:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41CF3040.3050408@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:42:24 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen References: <20041226.120926.3568.0.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20041226.120926.3568.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's putting it mildly! They've got such a great assortment of stuph (fabrics AND books AND yarns AND fibers for spinning? How can a girl resist?), that I praise god annually that they're not local for me, or I'd be talking about arranging for the monthly direct deposit of my paycheck! I scored some absolutely scrumptious, light-weight, burgundy/maroon wool from them this past early summer. It *still* hasn't decided which century it wants to live in--either in the 12th c. as a "bliaut," or the 14th c. as a fitted gown, or in the 16th c. as something florentine or german. --sue Cynthia J Ley wrote, talking of Pastiche: > Financial restraint is very difficult to practice regarding their wares. > They are both highly skilled and knowledgeable, and can advise you if you > have any questions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 17:35:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMZkSt020060 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:35:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQMZF2L001913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMZ8Kx020584; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMZ4Vr020479 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004122622345701100avsqme>; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:34:57 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:34:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41CF3040.3050408@in-tch.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But they do not seem to have an web site! Lauren > From: Sue Clemenger > > That's putting it mildly! They've got such a great assortment of > stuph (fabrics AND books AND yarns AND fibers for spinning? How can a > girl resist?), that I praise god annually that they're not local for me, > or I'd be talking about arranging for the monthly direct deposit of my > paycheck! > I scored some absolutely scrumptious, light-weight, burgundy/maroon wool > from them this past early summer. It *still* hasn't decided which > century it wants to live in--either in the 12th c. as a "bliaut," or the > 14th c. as a fitted gown, or in the 16th c. as something florentine or > german. > --sue > > Cynthia J Ley wrote, talking of Pastiche: > >> Financial restraint is very difficult to practice regarding their wares. >> They are both highly skilled and knowledgeable, and can advise you if you >> have any questions. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 17:48:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMmad1020282 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:48:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQMm42L002693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMlvjv027359; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMluO2027191 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from MeganLaptop (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAA715CF7 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:47:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> Thread-Index: AcTri/Zkh5ZMnc8rTGScVrHDkd5LpQAEJT3Q Message-Id: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got - NOTHING costume related. I got chocolate, more chocolate, and the laptop I am writing this email upon, so I can't complain. Since the laptop will allow me to stay connected during my many trips to Pittsburgh to care for my father, this will be wonderful. So, I suppose it could be considered costume-related if I use it to order fabric and such. Stretching it, I know, but what did you all get? -Megge _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 17:58:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMwvS0020494 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:58:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQMwP2L003162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:58:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMwL2m033474; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQMwJb8033448 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBQMwEwa006486 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:58:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> From: "ailith" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] reference book for shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was looking around on Hedgehog Handworks site and saw this book--Stepping Through Time (by Olaf Goubitz et al)--and was wondering if anyone has it and what they thought about it. It's $70 and I hesitate to spend the $$ for it if it's not a great reference. A friend of mine is very interested in turn shoes and I was thinking about getting it for him. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 18:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQNctFS021052 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQNcP2L005046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:38:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQNc8ae055081; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQNc4Z6054935 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 751365EE02F for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:37:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c4eba3$f48f11b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:38:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume related christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I got (as a birthdaygift also 50 in january) 30 back issues of the australian embroidery magazine Inspirations.............. Yum yum yum Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 18:47:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQNl3VP021181 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBQNjV2L005383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQNjSbU058892; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBQNjPOU058835 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20041226234519016003jsooe>; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:45:19 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c4eba4$f8f02c70$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:45:25 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/641/Fri Dec 24 21:06:17 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm... the gifts that I received, I like to make into costume related. I see costume in a lot of things that people don't normally see or think are related to costume or fashion. This year I have been into old rock concerts with a theatrical costume and/or set design. My interest in these performances has been since we went to an Alice Cooper concert last summer. I received the DVDs of the 1970s concerts of Alice Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare, and Electric Light Orchestra's (ELO) from 1978 (the concert with the spaceship landing on stage). I have two more DVD's with the theatrical flare that I want, the Earth, Wind, and Fire 1970s tour with the fantastic fringed costumes and pyro/fireworks.. and Phil Collins 1990 U.S tour with the carousel stage. Also received the DVD of the making of the Fleetwood Mac "Rumors" album. Love the Stevie Nicks Goth stage costumes. Also received more angels for my collection. One of my interns sent me a 2005 calendar, with Art Deco fashion plates from the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. Love it all year long!!! I also gave costume/fashion related gifts. Framed a beautiful geisha girl fabric panel for my son. Gave my daughter-in-law a table top book about 20th Century designer purses, and my future daughter-in-law, I had crocheted her a scarf. Also gave her a geisha girl comb... for combing the hair and not an ornament to be put in the hair. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 20:25:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR1P5jL022955 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:25:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR1ON2L010785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR1OAjE045387; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR1O69x045361 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.60.34] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CijcD-0000Tu-Ea for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:24:06 -0500 Message-ID: <019101c4ebb2$bef12fc0$223c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226.120926.3568.0.Cley@juno.com> <41CF3040.3050408@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:23:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b82f00b99655ff5b1211235255fc2704e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.34 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I didn't know DMC made linen thread, but I've used Londonderry before. It's pretty smooth compared to some of the other linen threads. It comes in more than twenty colors and several weights, and I know that you can get it from The Edwardian Needle and Threadneedle Street. -Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 21:58:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR2w1iq024284 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:58:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR2vN2L017483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR2vERx001112; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR2vBJw001055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBR2v8MD006374 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:57:08 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] reference book for shoes Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:12:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have this one and have loaned it to many shoemakers in the area. All find it to be a wonderful resource. I originally got it on the advice of Marc Carlson the SCA and academic Leather/shoe expert http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM . If you scroll down on his bibliography page you will find numerous works by Goubitz, museum leather expert in the Netherlands. He felt that it put into one volume much of the information that he had been digging out of obscure journals for many years. Depends on how "into" shoemaking you are. Or, it depends on how much of a book junkie. I'm a bit of a "book? Anglo-Saxon clothing? Sure! After all I'm Elizabethan, and that's close!" Like I said, book junkie. Wanda Pease > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of ailith > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:58 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] reference book for shoes > > > I was looking around on Hedgehog Handworks site and saw this > book--Stepping Through Time > > (by Olaf Goubitz et al)--and was wondering if anyone has it and what > they thought about it. It's $70 and I hesitate to spend the $$ for it > if it's not a great reference. > > A friend of mine is very interested in turn shoes and I was thinking > about getting it for him. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks so much. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 22:12:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3CeZ1024399 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:12:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR3Bx2L018317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3Bra9009455; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:11:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3Bqul009442 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBR32UxF014387 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:02:30 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] reference book for shoes Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:17:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a fantastic book. It is not, however, a "how to make shoes" book, but rather a fairly intensive reference on archaeological shoe finds. If your friend already knows how to make shoes, it would be a wonderful reference for shoe styles. I like it much better than "Shoes and Pattens" because it covers a much wider geographical area, and a wider span of time. Talia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release Date: 12/22/2004 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 22:48:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3m0r3024687 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:48:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR3ks2L020797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3ko5X029467; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3klLI029380 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:46:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m46.in-tch.com [216.166.191.46]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBR3iFf12421 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:44:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41CF86C5.2020805@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:51:33 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Pastiche was Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO IIRC, they're working on one... --sue Lauren Walker wrote: > But they do not seem to have an web site! > Lauren > > > >>From: Sue Clemenger > > >>That's putting it mildly! They've got such a great assortment of >>stuph (fabrics AND books AND yarns AND fibers for spinning? How can a >>girl resist?), that I praise god annually that they're not local for me, >>or I'd be talking about arranging for the monthly direct deposit of my >>paycheck! >>I scored some absolutely scrumptious, light-weight, burgundy/maroon wool >>from them this past early summer. It *still* hasn't decided which >>century it wants to live in--either in the 12th c. as a "bliaut," or the >>14th c. as a fitted gown, or in the 16th c. as something florentine or >>german. >>--sue >> >>Cynthia J Ley wrote, talking of Pastiche: >> >> >>>Financial restraint is very difficult to practice regarding their wares. >>>They are both highly skilled and knowledgeable, and can advise you if you >>>have any questions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 22:51:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3pC9i024716 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR3oY2L021005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3oX3R031443; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3oFNq031305 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBR3oBHI015910 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:50:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002901c4ebc7$249832b0$1902a8c0@duncan> From: "ailith" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] reference book for shoes Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:50:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks so much for the information, y'all! Yes, he knows how to make them. I got a pair for Christmas! :-) It sounds like something he'd really like. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] reference book for shoes > This is a fantastic book. It is not, however, a "how to make shoes" book, > but rather a fairly intensive reference on archaeological shoe finds. > > If your friend already knows how to make shoes, it would be a wonderful > reference for shoe styles. I like it much better than "Shoes and Pattens" > because it covers a much wider geographical area, and a wider span of time. > > Talia > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release Date: 12/22/2004 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 22:56:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3uWXn024755 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:56:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR3u02L021312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3tvq1034447; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:55:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3tsa8034401 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.164.10]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041227035551.HEDR1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c4ebc8$3a15a4a0$cb6afea9@sherry> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226.120926.3568.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:57:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Arlys wrote: > In their infinite wisdom, the DMC folks said, "We don't distribute it in > the States--there's no demand for it." After the proprietors explained > the number of re-enactors, re-creationists, etc., they got nowhere, but > the good news is that they are able to import it from Europe where it is > distributed. They were only able to get it in ivory, cream, and beige, > and have a local dyer who will be dyeing it for them for folks who want > other colors. This will all happen in the next few months. Hmm, Would a letter-writing campaign do the trick here? If everyone on this list pestered DMC, plus everyone from all of the other lists that we each are on, and so on and so on.. Might that make an impression? Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 22:59:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3xHM0024781 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR3wk2L021535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3wetJ035989; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR3uiLp034880 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m46.in-tch.com [216.166.191.46]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBR3sDf14572 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:54:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41CF891C.6060500@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:01:32 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really didn't get much of anything costume related, but then I really never do. I'm the only one in my family who does anything even remotely connected with costume or historical reenactment of any variety, and I suspect that my hobbies mostly bore and bewilder them. Costume-related stuff I mostly get for myself. ;o) I did get lots of chocolate and some very nice, non-costuming goodies, and 3 (!) of those cute, artisan-yarn, long, skinny, knitted scarves that are so popular. Oh, and a cute, little booklet on beading for fiber artists, with some interesting (modern) techniques in it, and the extended-version DVD of the Return of the King (but that's stretching it for costuming stuff). Oh, and I *did* buy myself a copy of Woven into the Earth, but it won't be here until mid-January at the earliest.... --sue Lavolta Press wrote: > > I'm surprised no one has yet started the annual topic of "What > costume-related gifts did you get for Christmas/Hanukkah/the Solstice?" > I always find it interesting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 23:34:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR4YCTw024945 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:34:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR4XW2L023346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:33:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR4XGO3055486; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR4XEP6055435 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F68F31544 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:33:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t3p208.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.210]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 61121D49E for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:33:10 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] DMC Linen Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:33:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005401c4ebc8$3a15a4a0$cb6afea9@sherry> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not a bad idea. Found this company for $2.50 for a 20yd card for Crossstitch 14ct. http://www.needlestack.com/WebStore/Thread/RG_Linen.html Colors: http://www.rainbowgallery.com/detail.cfm?ID=77 De -----Original Message----- Hmm, Would a letter-writing campaign do the trick here? If everyone on this list pestered DMC, plus everyone from all of the other lists that we each are on, and so on and so on.. Might that make an impression? Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 26 23:59:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR4xbH7025114 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:59:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR4wx2L024705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR4woRV069569; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR4wi1w069518 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cimxw-0005Qn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:58:44 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041226225156.0258aec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:58:41 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200412262349.iBQNmu4n060736@net.indra.com> References: <200412262349.iBQNmu4n060736@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What I got for Christmas - costume related X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I got: Barnes and Noble gift card - can be used for costume books..... 2 pairs socks with cats on them (the important costuming companion) A vintage, hand painted kimono with silver cord couchwork outlining some of the designs. There is documentation with it, but it came in a separate envelope and I haven't read it all yet. It's not so "vintage" I can't wear it, but it will have to be as an open robe, as it's not quite large enough to close. But, amazingly enough, it is long enough to brush the tops of my feet (and I'm 5'11")! It also has lovely long (almost to mid-calf) sleeves. I also got stomach flu so have been spending a lot of the holiday in communion with "the throne". Bummer!! :( Happy Holidays to all! Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 00:40:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5ebjC025373 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:40:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR5e22L026874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5duSr091934; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBR5do5f091818 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA69JALAURR4P2 for (sender ); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgiaGmaP0zbgMPxV2OwALJFw= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFT7KUAY; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:38:21 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:20:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Pastiche was Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen Message-ID: <20041226.213800.2160.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3253067856 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They do have a site for their wonderful books. Check google under "Pastiche, Inc." Arlys On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:51:33 -0700 Sue Clemenger writes: > IIRC, they're working on one... > --sue > > Lauren Walker wrote: > > But they do not seem to have an web site! > > Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 00:44:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5i9qJ025394 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:44:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR5hZ2L027038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5hYN0093788; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBR5dopn091813 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA69JALAVRNUR2 for (sender ); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgiaGmaP0zbgM0EsW35zQvz0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFT7KUA3; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:38:21 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:22:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DMC Linen Message-ID: <20041226.213800.2160.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 11:5:1475398150 X-MAIL-INFO: 3d973aaa8a5e7a97cb8a5f4ac39a6b3a674a8b6b03eacb6bc75f5ba33ea30bebd78e57a37a027a9ecee7cfd77bce2f5707d7022f2a03fe2fbf0e0a431a434e835a3e3b439b139b1fba87b75a33babe3bf35a13be9a0b5fae5f8e6eee8e6eebce6eebce9a5ede63ca97b77fb78a8b17734fb7ea570e8f3e8f43fb2e43fbba3bfbba X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They have a dyer who will do it, and who they trust to do a good job (which is saying a lot right there--they have very high quality standards). Arlys On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:34:56 EST AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 12/26/2004 3:14:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cley@juno.com writes: > > They were only able to get it in ivory, cream, and beige, > and have a local dyer who will be dyeing it for them for folks who > want > other colors. This will all happen in the next few months. > > > > Considering how hard it is to dye linen, it would be MUCH more > satisfactory > to get it factory dyed. Sounds like something else to get friends > to look > out for when they go to Europe--would certainly be lightweight to > carry home. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 00:55:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5tEEn025451 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:55:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR5sg2L027593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:54:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5sdxf099541; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR5sbTY099448 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.25.558c85c5 (25508) for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:54:27 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <25.558c85c5.2f00fd93@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:54:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any body want to buy a fabric store?(Try again) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Baltimore County is in Maryland. Kathy Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 01:54:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR6s5sO025895 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:54:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR6rQ2L000859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:53:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR6rHcn031647; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:53:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBR6rAEa031484 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA69NKVAVGQFQS for (sender ); Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:52:35 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgk6xKnj2HLBpa48D2feESkU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KFUBR7A6; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:51:44 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:51:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Message-ID: <20041226.225126.1644.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2951139966 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:45:21 -0800 Lavolta Press writes: > > I'm surprised no one has yet started the annual topic of "What > costume-related gifts did you get for Christmas/Hanukkah/the > Solstice?" > I always find it interesting. I got a gift certificate for Fabric Depot--a huge and wonderful store in Portland, OR, so i am doing the happy dance! 8) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 03:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR8h4oJ026823 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:43:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR8gE2L006467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:42:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR8g4nD091195; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR8g1W2091166 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-141.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.141]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR8g8K5019310 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:42:08 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20041227003844.02569d28@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:41:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: <20041226.225126.1644.0.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I'm surprised no one has yet started the annual topic of "What > > costume-related gifts did you get for Christmas/Hanukkah/the > > Solstice?" > > I always find it interesting. > >I got a gift certificate for Fabric Depot--a huge and wonderful store in >Portland, OR, so i am doing the happy dance! 8) I got a book of photos of English-occupied India, from the 1860s to the 1890s, and an ikat scarf from Bali by way of my daughter's friend who actually went there and bought it. I also got hundreds and hundreds of calories, mostly in my stocking, which I'm refusing to eat but am passing along to various parties. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 03:49:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR8nYUl027575 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:49:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBR8mw2L006800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:48:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBR8mrcJ094988; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBR8mn3B094952 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 21544 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 08:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.22) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 08:48:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:54:43 +1100 Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, just caught up with this thread - adding another confusing slant - my husband is a dance historian and teacher - had a lengthy answer to the allemande question which I've promptly forgotten - something about it being a left turn or something and lots more - but I found this reference to a different allemande on our website - http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/terms.htm back allemande Facing opposite directions, place left arms behind own back, link right arms and with right hand take partner's left hand behind their back. Warmest Regards, Aylwen Garden ------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ custom made historical reproduction clothing ~ http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 05:48:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRAmR9N027458 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRAlo2L011899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:47:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRAlfmK056849; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRAlcC7056833 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CisPa-0001PT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:47:38 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:48:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c4ec01$89c2e470$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20041227003844.02569d28@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBRAlcC7056833 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got lots of cool costume related things! I think my most favorite was the rolling magnet that my hubby gave me. It is about a foot long and sits on wheels above the ground about an inch. It rolls along my floor and picks up all the pins I drop (hundreds!). Then he gave me a new magnifying light/glass to do my small hand work....love that too. I got three great new books; one on bobbin lace patterns and another on medieval textiles. I also got a new stump work book and fancy threads to go with. Santa was very good to me this year...his list must have been wrong....:) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 07:26:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRCQkPR023594 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRCPx2L016918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:25:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRCPmxq009210; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRCPke6009144 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.13c.96d6cde (3874) for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:25:37 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.96d6cde.2f015940@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:25:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It was a gift we bought ourselves--the 1957 Rodgers and Hammerstein "Cinderella" made for CBS TV (thus, in black and white) with Julie Andrews in the title role. I had no idea that the costumes were early 19th century Regency-style--highly stylized, of course--with some 1820s style hairstyles and the stepsisters' and stepmother's initial hats more lamp shade inspired. And the fairy godmother's ball outfit was strictly 1950s haute couture. But, as we looked at the extra material, many of the publicity photos showed Julie Andrews in a more 1950s silhouette princess dress--natural waist, puffed sleeves and poufy skirt that looked like layers and layers of tulle. This dress, though, was nowhere to be seen in the finished product. Some of you may have seen this on PBS last week, but we missed it. And I was glad to see the supplementary stuff. It also included Rodgers and Hammerstein's appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show: Rodgers conducted the orchestra while Hammerstein recited the words to "Ten Minutes Ago." The show pre-empted Ed Sullivan the next week--had to be done on Sunday as it was live, and Julie Andrews was appearing on Broadway in "My Fair Lady" at the time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 09:51:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBREpJdE027011 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:51:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBREod2L028354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:50:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBREoWJ2073611; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:50:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50410.mail.yahoo.com (web50410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBREoUiv073550 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82681 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2004 14:50:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=UgIJlqnLxgj2nTTcilpvZ/W+JlTurlz+MqRfHZjmLfjvTsSFPEUKCiIWiM5BIbahWrpvhmBYwzeDF75kr5fRFBOyRKEUwXESihfit8xrVnUWOo61Wz8ypgPr7Xh3YW/t2xGgOl+uPfgfY+fTYoReHWKjxbCxWcZGbjGlVv7Bn/w= ; Message-ID: <20041227145025.82679.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.102] by web50410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:50:25 PST Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:50:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20041227003844.02569d28@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got lots of costume-related gifts this year too. Shears appropriate for me to carry for my 14th Cen. Welsh persona, and a box for her dowry. 2 yards of a purple and gold chinese silk brocade a starter set of Kreinik silk threads 5 yards of 1/8" black satin ribbon (had been holding the brocade around my new book: _Brother Cadfael's Garden_) a $30 gift certificate for Jo-Anns (from my boss) a boxed set of books about historical women out of 10 - gifts, not a bad proportion! my friends and family know what I like! Thankfully, Angharad / Wolfcat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 09:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBREvcbA027131 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:57:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBREv32L029906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBREv0nr076856; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:57:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBREpTtp073947 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2004122709512116726 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:51:21 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id iBREpIxX018474 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:51:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004401c4ec23$8bd6d7e0$4aa810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13c.96d6cde.2f015940@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband bought me the Singer XL-6000 sewing and embroidery machine! If I hadn't been sitting on the floor when I opened it, I would have dropped. It will take me a while to get thru all the stuff it says it can do. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts > It was a gift we bought ourselves--the 1957 Rodgers and Hammerstein > "Cinderella" made for CBS TV (thus, in black and white) with Julie Andrews > in the > title role. I had no idea that the costumes were early 19th century > Regency-style--highly stylized, of course--with some 1820s style > hairstyles and the > stepsisters' and stepmother's initial hats more lamp shade inspired. And > the > fairy godmother's ball outfit was strictly 1950s haute couture. > > But, as we looked at the extra material, many of the publicity photos > showed > Julie Andrews in a more 1950s silhouette princess dress--natural waist, > puffed sleeves and poufy skirt that looked like layers and layers of > tulle. This > dress, though, was nowhere to be seen in the finished product. > > Some of you may have seen this on PBS last week, but we missed it. And I > was glad to see the supplementary stuff. It also included Rodgers and > Hammerstein's appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show: Rodgers conducted the > orchestra > while Hammerstein recited the words to "Ten Minutes Ago." The show > pre-empted > Ed Sullivan the next week--had to be done on Sunday as it was live, and > Julie > Andrews was appearing on Broadway in "My Fair Lady" at the time. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 10:03:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRF3GIg027174 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:03:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRF2h2L001461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:02:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRF2e8n080033; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRF2c7B079959 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004122715023201100b3823e>; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:02:32 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:02:34 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Somewhat OT: Jewel vendor tsunami aid X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite vendor of semi-precious stone beads, http://www.thaigem.com, is donating 10% of the purchase price of all goods sold between now and January 2 to the Thai Red Cross to help victims of the recent tsunami. If you were planning to buy any gemstone beads, pearls, etc. for embellishments in the near-term, please at least give a look at their selections. They also sell cut stones for jewelry-making, and have a custom jewelry service. I have only purchased semi-precious beads from them, but all of my purchases have been of really good quality, the prices fair, and their customer service is pretty good, too. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 10:22:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRFMeie027386 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:22:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRFM32L006370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRFLx9O091608; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRFLuSG091571 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 72F4B47FEDB for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:21:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c4ec27$d521fa70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:22:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linnen for 18th century chemise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I dont seem to be able to get any fine white linnen here, so i wondered where i could purchase online a fine linnen for a chemise. I would prefer UK supplier as i dont want to pay extra taxes for USA import. Thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 10:27:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRFR673027512 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:27:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRFQN2L007404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:26:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRFQH9r094219; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRFQGO7094193 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:26:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iBRFQC5W026306 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:26:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041227101944.01c3ed58@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:26:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: <001401c4ec01$89c2e470$6401a8c0@SG01> References: <4.3.1.2.20041227003844.02569d28@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmmm... Costume related... zip. I did get some clothing - and a good pair of winter boots. And my fiber friends all seemed to think I needed placemats this year ; > ?? Not complaining though... you should see some of these weaves - genuinely beautiful work. I'm so impressed by their talents. Other than working every day, and a week alone with the animals, since the S.O. is in NC... things are quiet - but I am getting some knitting done on the relic purse (23+ stitches to the inch, OY) and I am slowly digesting "Woven Into the Earth" again - after my first read through. Have some comments on that slowly forming in the back of my mind. Definately a minimalist Holiday... but a good one. Peace to you all. Bridgette Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 12:16:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRHGcYV028659 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:16:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRHFq2L018246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRHFhZw065957; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRHFWSr065842 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DBA31262840 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:15:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c4ec37$b51ba220$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13c.96d6cde.2f015940@aol.com> <004401c4ec23$8bd6d7e0$4aa810ac@Kate> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:15:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kate, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Congratulations with this. May i tell you, that digital world is wonderfull, you surely will be able to do a lot of beutifull things with the right threads and such. Whem i was last at a ball in Bath, England, a frenchman had created such wonderfull embroideries on costumes with sewing machine. The thread has to be rayon or the like, but i really thoaght it was wonderfull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts > My husband bought me the Singer XL-6000 sewing and embroidery machine! If > I hadn't been sitting on the floor when I opened it, I would have dropped. > It will take me a while to get thru all the stuff it says it can do. > Kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts > > >> It was a gift we bought ourselves--the 1957 Rodgers and Hammerstein >> "Cinderella" made for CBS TV (thus, in black and white) with Julie >> Andrews in the >> title role. I had no idea that the costumes were early 19th century >> Regency-style--highly stylized, of course--with some 1820s style >> hairstyles and the >> stepsisters' and stepmother's initial hats more lamp shade inspired. >> And the >> fairy godmother's ball outfit was strictly 1950s haute couture. >> >> But, as we looked at the extra material, many of the publicity photos >> showed >> Julie Andrews in a more 1950s silhouette princess dress--natural waist, >> puffed sleeves and poufy skirt that looked like layers and layers of >> tulle. This >> dress, though, was nowhere to be seen in the finished product. >> >> Some of you may have seen this on PBS last week, but we missed it. And >> I >> was glad to see the supplementary stuff. It also included Rodgers and >> Hammerstein's appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show: Rodgers conducted the >> orchestra >> while Hammerstein recited the words to "Ten Minutes Ago." The show >> pre-empted >> Ed Sullivan the next week--had to be done on Sunday as it was live, and >> Julie >> Andrews was appearing on Broadway in "My Fair Lady" at the time. >> >> Ann Wass >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 12:32:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRHWYjt028785 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:32:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRHW12L019791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRHVr10077657; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:31:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRHVmOc077614 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1312F47FEC5 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:31:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c4ec39$fc9e72b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:32:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] colours X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I want to create my absolutely finest and most beautifull jacket and waistcoat on pale blue silk duchesse satin. This fabric costed me a fortune, i allready made a mistake with the chenille thread. This time i want to do my outmost and absolutely final work for myself. The colour of the satin is a pale blue like you see in the skye in a hot summers day. What colours do yuu think is a must for this? I must regreat that i am no painter and i would really apreciate any hints. What i would like for the "head flowers is peach coulor" And could i add a darker blue to it? Surely there must be some of yuu out there who are bored........ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 13:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIMAsd029265 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:22:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRILV2L024490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRILM1R013765; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRILJ3X013740 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [63.186.1.220] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CizUc-0004m1-NO for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:21:19 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Lld5kVT/j3Jt2SIi4FbHk0qGNUVTLrWFiCkUyWHJyzP3glBlMxOHi2BI9eJ9FlLn; Message-ID: <00a601c4ec40$bfcc35f0$dc01ba3f@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c4ec39$fc9e72b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da9409110204389c5988a89e621557b263faa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.186.1.220 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooooo, I can hardly wait for the pictures! I think you can use a darker blue, but I would match it very carefully to be the same "tone" as your sky blue - you know, the same amount of yellow or grey to the color.... are you going to use different shades of the peach as well? And of course you'll need some greens for leaves.... Liadain There Is No Such Thing As Too Colorful ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] colours >I want to create my absolutely finest and most beautifull jacket and >waistcoat on pale blue silk duchesse satin. > This fabric costed me a fortune, i allready made a mistake with the > chenille thread. > This time i want to do my outmost and absolutely final work for myself. > The colour of the satin is a pale blue like you see in the skye in a hot > summers day. > What colours do yuu think is a must for this? > I must regreat that i am no painter and i would really apreciate any > hints. > What i would like for the "head flowers is peach coulor" > And could i add a darker blue to it? > Surely there must be some of yuu out there who are bored........ > Bjarne > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 13:36:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIakdG029443 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:36:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRIZr2L025776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:35:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIZWgO023656; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIZUm9023617 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CA5C26285A for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:35:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c4ec42$e3d106e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c4ec39$fc9e72b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00a601c4ec40$bfcc35f0$dc01ba3f@familyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:35:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Liadain This must be because you want the fabric to be equal as the embroidery? I dont want this.. I just want to make a beautifull embroidery on top ot this, no matters what the light blue is............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours > Oooooo, I can hardly wait for the pictures! > I think you can use a darker blue, but I would match it very carefully to > be the same "tone" as your sky blue - you know, the same amount of yellow > or grey to the color.... are you going to use different shades of the > peach as well? And of course you'll need some greens for leaves.... > > Liadain > There Is No Such Thing As Too Colorful _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 13:42:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIgF6t029533 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRIfE2L026322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIfBZW027679; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIepIt027400 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.89.1d04cd5b (17079) for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:40:39 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <89.1d04cd5b.2f01b127@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:40:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/27/2004 1:36:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: This must be because you want the fabric to be equal as the embroidery? I dont want this.. I just want to make a beautifull embroidery on top ot this, no matters what the light blue is............. Bjarne, I think she is trying to make the point that some shades of blue thread would not look as well as others. Even though you would be using a darker blue than the color of your silk fabric, it should be in the same "color family" as the fabric, or at least harmonize and not clash. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 13:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIpiDw029985 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:51:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRIp82L027390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIp2YT034744; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:V8cP7AzPQkGTUvR1iuqm88i0DLapcSiM@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRIox8I034710 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id iBRIowkx018026 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:50:58 -0500 Received: from dci012034011168.discovery.com ([12.34.11.168]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:50:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62613.12.34.11.168.1104173458.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000d01c4ec42$e3d106e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000701c4ec39$fc9e72b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><00a601c4ec40$bfcc35f0$dc01ba3f@familyroom> <000d01c4ec42$e3d106e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:50:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with Liadain that you do need to be careful with the tone of the blue. A shade that's too far off may clash with the base fabric. I've seen some blue items embroidered in white and silver, which is very nice. I would suggest looking for light blue items in costume collections and portraits, and see what colors are used for embroidery there. You could go with all pastel (light) colors, or shades of blue, white and silver, or a number of different bright colors - what is typical of the era? -Carol > Liadain > This must be because you want the fabric to be equal as the embroidery? > I dont want this.. > I just want to make a beautifull embroidery on top ot this, no matters > what > the light blue is............. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Thallas" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours > > >> Oooooo, I can hardly wait for the pictures! >> I think you can use a darker blue, but I would match it very carefully >> to >> be the same "tone" as your sky blue - you know, the same amount of >> yellow >> or grey to the color.... are you going to use different shades of the >> peach as well? And of course you'll need some greens for leaves.... >> >> Liadain >> There Is No Such Thing As Too Colorful _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 14:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRJLX2R031598 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRJKq2L000745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRJKlPH056356; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailhub-5.iastate.edu (mailhub-5.iastate.edu [129.186.140.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRJKgCK056220 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from djnash@iastate.edu) Received: from mailout-1.iastate.edu (mailout-1.iastate.edu [129.186.140.1]) by mailhub-5.iastate.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id iBRJKZ9K026523 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:20:35 -0600 Received: from nodnsquery(129.186.127.7) by mailout-1.iastate.edu via csmap id ea546c0a_583a_11d9_9013_00304811d932_1558; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20041227131631.02a31e78@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:20:35 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Doris J Nash Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, Could you perhaps store your scissors in one compartment of the case, your tracing/ponce wheels, etc. in another, and something else in the third? Is the only opening in the top? That might be problematic, I guess. Hmm, yarn skeins? Heck, just put silk flowers in it & display it! :-) Doris, who got socks, DVDs, pans, and a Crock pot for Christmas. At 02:45 PM 12/26/2004, you wrote: >I'm surprised no one has yet started the annual topic of "What >costume-related gifts did you get for Christmas/Hanukkah/the Solstice?" >I always find it interesting. > >I don't usually get a lot of them myself, as I always buy my own fabric, >patterns, and tools, and usually my own books. I did get _Woven into the >Earth_ (except it didn't arrive in time), two copies of a circa 1930 >sewing booklet, a plastic chest of drawers sort of thing for sewing >hardware and notions, and a reproduction Edwardian pendant, white gold and >(small) diamond bow with an aquamarine drop suspended from it. >I also got a very fancy wooden case. It has a carved frame with an Art >Nouveau poster (cafe table with seated woman) decoupaged onto the front >and back, and is fully lined with a thin brown felt. It looks like >something the Victorian Trading Company would sell. However, I don't know >what to do with it. It is apparently intended for carrying and/or storing >three bottles of wine, having three slots of appropriate size for >same. The problem is, I hardly ever drink anything, there are no >occasions on which I'd carry three bottles of wine around, and I don't >think you're supposed to store wine upright. I'm trying to think of some >sewing stuff I could store in it. Unfortunately the dividers between the >wine bottle slots are firmly glued in. > >Fran >Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Doris J. Nash Costume Shop Supervisor ISU Theatre All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 14:31:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRJVFKu031756 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:31:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRJUd2L002031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRJUVpM064194; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:d53Wgswsyz8kjIZbWylUuIq2Cqo3aw8j@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRJUOFM064083 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id iBRJUMkx014140 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:30:22 -0500 Received: from dci012034011168.discovery.com ([12.34.11.168]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:30:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62800.12.34.11.168.1104175822.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041227131631.02a31e78@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com><41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20041227131631.02a31e78@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:30:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Knitting needles might fit, too. A great excuse to take up knitting if you don't already. :-) -Carol > Fran, > Could you perhaps store your scissors in one compartment of the case, your > tracing/ponce wheels, etc. in another, and something else in the third? > Is > the only opening in the top? That might be problematic, I guess. Hmm, > yarn skeins? Heck, just put silk flowers in it & display it! :-) > > Doris, who got socks, DVDs, pans, and a Crock pot for Christmas. > > > At 02:45 PM 12/26/2004, you wrote: ... >>I also got a very fancy wooden case. It has a carved frame with an Art >>Nouveau poster (cafe table with seated woman) decoupaged onto the front >>and back, and is fully lined with a thin brown felt. It looks like >>something the Victorian Trading Company would sell. However, I don't >> know >>what to do with it. It is apparently intended for carrying and/or >> storing >>three bottles of wine, having three slots of appropriate size for >>same. The problem is, I hardly ever drink anything, there are no >>occasions on which I'd carry three bottles of wine around, and I don't >>think you're supposed to store wine upright. I'm trying to think of some >>sewing stuff I could store in it. Unfortunately the dividers between the >>wine bottle slots are firmly glued in. >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >>http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 15:15:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKFD4V032495 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:15:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRKEb2L005693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:14:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKEWKd094791; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKETUU094742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-228.sonic.net [209.148.113.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBRKEPUb028753 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:14:26 -0800 Message-ID: <41D06D2A.2040109@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:14:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20041227131631.02a31e78@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041227131631.02a31e78@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's actually not a bad setup for skeins or balls of yarn, but I haven't crocheted or done weaving in a long time. I pried the dividers out, after some persistence, and so far have put some T-shirts in the case to see how that works. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Doris J Nash wrote: > Fran, > Could you perhaps store your scissors in one compartment of the case, > your tracing/ponce wheels, etc. in another, and something else in the > third? Is the only opening in the top? That might be problematic, I > guess. Hmm, yarn skeins? Heck, just put silk flowers in it & display > it! :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 15:18:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKIV84032552 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:18:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRKHu2L006035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:17:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKHskV097376; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao12.cox.net (lakermmtao12.cox.net [68.230.240.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKGHlB096116 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041227201558.YYAB1659.lakermmtao12.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:15:58 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c4ec50$d37ba0d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone heard anything about this movie, either "yea or nay"? Al Pacino does Shakespeare! (And not too shabbily, either! Who knew Shylock had a New York accent!) Visually it looks decadent, and it has good solid actors in it. http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/williamshakespearesthemerchantofvenice.html It's due out Dec 29th. Pax, ::Linda:: " Now Christmas comes, 'tis fit that we should feast and sing, and merry be: Keep open house, let fidlers play. A fig for cold, sing care away; And may they who thereat repine, On brown bread and on small beer dine." ~from the 1766 Virginia Almanack _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 15:35:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKZR2h000344 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRKYm2L007371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:34:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKYdVn009085; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKYa2D009035 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f55.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.85]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EC98026287E for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:34:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c4ec53$83bcb680$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:34:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] colours X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/blue In this waistcoat (wowen) there are many vivid colours wich are not the same shade as the blue. What was it you were advising? Only i see reds, purples and blues used....... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 15:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKeDSU000423 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:40:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRKdT2L007888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:39:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKdShe012477; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKbjD1011232 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A86D3143A for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:37:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p664.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.218.157]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 32A01C51B for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:37:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:38:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000701c4ec39$fc9e72b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO IMO, The embroidery on the blue is beautiful but I can see that for some reason it doesn't quite balance with the fabric. Satin stitched or padded stitched embroidery might be better suited for the fabric's texture. I would not go too dark with the colors as I believe you want the jacket as a whole to be stunning and not have your beautiful embroidery jump out at the viewer from across the room so that they only see the embroidery. Peach would be wonderful with this blue. As for other colors, it would all depend on the mood or affect I was trying for. Do I want a Spring feeling that carries into the summer or a Winter frost or Fall or neutral? Now this fabric looks like it wants light to medium shades of embroidery with gold metallic accents. Peach, with maybe some salmon or/and dusty rose, with accents of some blues and lavenders. Gold rochelle beads or tiny pearls. De PS. I am recovering for being sick so take these suggestions and comments with a little more then a grain of salt. -----Original Message----- I want to create my absolutely finest and most beautifull jacket and waistcoat on pale blue silk duchesse satin. This fabric costed me a fortune, i allready made a mistake with the chenille thread. This time i want to do my outmost and absolutely final work for myself. The colour of the satin is a pale blue like you see in the skye in a hot summers day. What colours do yuu think is a must for this? I must regreat that i am no painter and i would really apreciate any hints. What i would like for the "head flowers is peach coulor" And could i add a darker blue to it? Surely there must be some of yuu out there who are bored........ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 15:58:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKwZLA000729 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:58:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRKvu2L009556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:57:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKvqWL025875; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKvnpY025834 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [63.186.1.218] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cj1w4-0002o0-5q for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:57:49 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=ebAn7aDVKxtgOBcdmCnkPQHFBg+T6FFJjNXZibiOBorqFcB5Eehr+TGXOtfriSbG; Message-ID: <001c01c4ec56$b3231560$da01ba3f@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c4ec39$fc9e72b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><00a601c4ec40$bfcc35f0$dc01ba3f@familyroom> <000d01c4ec42$e3d106e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:57:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da940d1e09132fe4fa9effa6a8329e7db10de350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.186.1.218 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nah, I must not have expressed it well -the darker blue will be beautiful as long as it doesn't clash! - I've had this happen to me, and it's very disappointing! A beautiful deep royal blue, maybe, with the peach(es), and some soft mossy greens? Okay, now I want to embroider something, and I have too many projects going already!!! Liadain off to poke through the stash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours > Liadain > This must be because you want the fabric to be equal as the embroidery? > I dont want this.. > I just want to make a beautifull embroidery on top ot this, no matters > what the light blue is............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 16:02:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL2A1u000793 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:02:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRL1Y2L009932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:01:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL1Y2R028558; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRKxV6r027134 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [63.186.1.218] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cj1xi-0003WU-Fw for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:59:31 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=JOVZqWJ0Yea99QVmouJ2VxVDUetCoCzjPSCTrzzT13nMxLyzONhRmDIkXc5JGWNU; Message-ID: <002401c4ec56$f1f75f80$da01ba3f@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <89.1d04cd5b.2f01b127@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:59:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da940e84dcee1fe551dd3026682b87a52e9fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.186.1.218 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Ann! I think I'm not speaking English well today, and since I don't have another language I'm in real trouble...... Liadain possibly experiencing "Senior Moments".. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours > Bjarne, I think she is trying to make the point that some shades of blue > thread would not look as well as others. Even though you would be using a > darker blue than the color of your silk fabric, it should be in the same > "color > family" as the fabric, or at least harmonize and not clash. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 16:05:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL5a7k000848 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRL4t2L010276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL4ltH030931; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL4ixd030885 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7452631245 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:04:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p664.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.218.157]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 306B5C60A for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:04:43 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:04:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000b01c4ec53$83bcb680$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe what was being said was the you would want complimentary shades of blue. Certain blues would detract or clash with your light blue and therefore you would not wish to select them. Oddly enough, I have never seen this woven material before but I was seeing something like this when I made my suggestions and comments in a prior email though not as elaborate. De -----Original Message----- http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/blue In this waistcoat (wowen) there are many vivid colours wich are not the same shade as the blue. What was it you were advising? Only i see reds, purples and blues used....... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 16:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRLAES5000913 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:10:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRL8w2L010757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:08:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL8vNB033940; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRL8JGt033498 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [63.186.1.218] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cj26E-00078w-4S for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:08:19 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=WWAksRKTZzQUoUbIqilIp40uonBfLaqJFmuv9gKhr7Zgr/14sQqn9qRf/rx4s78J; Message-ID: <003c01c4ec58$2c32f230$da01ba3f@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c4ec53$83bcb680$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:08:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da94035c28b7035a7bbba6357022cf26ef777350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.186.1.218 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, that's very pretty! I looooove many many colors used together! I was just thinking about the "value" of the blue - there are some that have lots of green in them - like peacock - and some with lots of grey - like navy. Sometimes "green/blues" and grey/blues" don't go together well at all. For some reason, blues seem to clash "louder" than many other colors....... Liadain probably not explaining herself well, sigh... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] colours > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/blue > > In this waistcoat (wowen) there are many vivid colours wich are not the > same shade as the blue. > What was it you were advising? > > Only i see reds, purples and blues used....... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 16:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRLI05q001040 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:18:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRLGC2L011567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:16:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRLG82g039548; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRLEj4Y038493 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD67425D5 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41D07B38.6090307@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:14:32 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > > I'm surprised no one has yet started the annual topic of "What > costume-related gifts did you get for Christmas/Hanukkah/the Solstice?" > I always find it interesting. My friends and my husband know what I like, my family sends money or gift cards because they live far out of state and it's just easier that way. I got a lovely faux pashmina scarf, it's huge and fringed and will be nice with several costumes or for a fancy dinner out. A copy of 'Historic Colonial French Dress' and two issues of Japanese Gothic Lolita magazine (I love the creative shapes that this style generates). Also a Historic Fashions calendar. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 17:44:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRMi5XT002476 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRMgc2L019932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:42:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRMgT0J001406; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:42:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRMgQkG001376 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cj3ZK-0003cB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:42:26 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen for 18th century chemise Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c4ec65$6606a4e0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000701c4ec27$d521fa70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you looked at this place? http://www.thelinenhouse.com/EN/FRAMESET.asp?VS=TLHO&LA=ENGL I have all their sample cards if you would like to look at them. They are relatively expensive, but I've seen nothing like them over here. Sg >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 8:22 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] linnen for 18th century chemise > >Hi, >I dont seem to be able to get any fine white linnen here, so i wondered >where i could purchase online a fine linnen for a chemise. >I would prefer UK supplier as i dont want to pay extra taxes for USA import. >Thanks > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 18:41:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRNfvQT003444 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:41:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRNeu2L025394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:40:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRNeoc2041807; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBRNemtJ041760 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:40:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 8170 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.93.175.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.93.175) by shada.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 01:14:09 -0000 Message-ID: <41D09A26.7060804@oldwaylane.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:26:30 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got 11yds of beautiful blue twill wool for a GFD (and my poor mother mailed it still on the bolt!), an exhibit book of Gerard ter Borch, gift cards for Joann Fabrics, and some costume swatch cards for Lord of the Rings costumes. And way too much chocolate and other calories. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 18:49:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRNnFxk003545 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:49:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBRNmh2L025922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:48:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRNma7H046775; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBRNmNrj046640 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.42] (helo=wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cj4b9-0004Vf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:48:23 -0500 Message-ID: <13876164.1104191303034.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:48:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Bjarne-- Color is one of the most difficult things to talk about without having actual THINGS to look at. But I'll bet you still have some of those wonderful threads you dyed. I'd suggest that you try what I usually wind up doing when I have to make a color decision: use the dyed threads as samples, and lay them side-by-side on the blue fabric. See what combinations YOU like best. Using samples instead of the colors one imagines from words, sometimes I am surprised by gorgeous combinations I would not have thought of. (I remember especially an aubergine overgown that I put with a slightly greenish silver underskirt. I just tried the combination because I was trying every combination of fabrics I had. It was breathtaking, the best costume on the stage! Part of the effect was the combination of colors, and part was the combination of the fabric textures, which of course affected the way the colors read.) If you are inclined to use peach for the top petals of the flowers, lay some peach thread on the fabric and then try other threads in combination with it and against the blue background. The work you do proves to all of us, even if you aren't sure yourself, that you have great taste. Trust your judgment. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Dec 27, 2004 3:34 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] colours http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/blue In this waistcoat (wowen) there are many vivid colours wich are not the same shade as the blue. What was it you were advising? Only i see reds, purples and blues used....... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 19:45:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS0jA8j004266 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBS0iS2L000733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS0hmab080555; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS0hSHH080363 for ; 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en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen for 18th century chemise References: <000701c4ec27$d521fa70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c4ec27$d521fa70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry I can't help, Bjarne, but my source for handkerchief linen is located in the U.S.... --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I dont seem to be able to get any fine white linnen here, so i wondered > where i could purchase online a fine linnen for a chemise. > I would prefer UK supplier as i dont want to pay extra taxes for USA > import. > Thanks > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 22:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS3Z6qv005615 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBS3YD2L014156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:34:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS3XkM2082768; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS3Xigu082686 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004122803333701400h6voge>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:33:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000301c4ec8e$096483f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c4ec50$d37ba0d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:33:43 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The reviews have said that it is one of the best movies of the year. Ebert said it will be nominated for many Oscars. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 27 22:41:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS3fqpp005669 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:41:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBS3fE2L014588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS3fBcj087085; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS3f9EJ087009 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004122803410301500r79lce>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:41:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c4ec8f$13717e60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226200150.65653.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF22E1.2050204@lavoltapress.com><6.2.0.14.2.20041227131631.02a31e78@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> <41D06D2A.2040109@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:41:11 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Crocheting is like riding a bike. Once you learn, you never forget how. In a day, you will be zipping along. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 00:15:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS5F2M7006310 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBS5EJ2L020669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS5EB6W044347; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS5E9Dg044325 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cj9gO-0000gG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:14:08 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:14:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c4ec9c$1ea04610$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c4ec8f$13717e60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I must be severely challenged. Everything I ever tried to crochet turned into a pointy hat! >-----Original Message----- >Crocheting is like riding a bike. Once you learn, you never forget how. In >a day, you will be zipping along. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 00:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS5wNo3006813 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBS5vk2L023214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS5vd8T069964; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS5vcdd069888 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004122805573201300cad5oe>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:57:32 +0000 Message-ID: <005b01c4eca2$24008f10$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c4ec9c$1ea04610$6401a8c0@SG01> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:57:39 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Crochet Learning Disabilities X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a hard time following crochet directions. I think it is because I am left handed. I have been making scarves for the past year... I made up my own pattern. Now everyone wants one. I keep trying out different types of yarns to keep me from being bored. Crocheting also is good for strengthening my hands. I did find out that there is a knit/crochet shop nearby. Maybe they have someone who can teach me to follow the directions correctly. I know all the abbreviations and the stitches, but I like you, try to make something from a pattern and it doesn't turn out correctly. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 02:02:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS72t8E008248 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:02:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBS71j2L026477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS71Y4c006040; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBS71RS5005970 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CjBME-0002lc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:01:26 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041228005308.02565320@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:57:34 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200412272352.iBRNqtcl049630@net.indra.com> References: <200412272352.iBRNqtcl049630@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroideries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO An excellent suggestion, but try to do this in natural light, as artificial light will skew the color perceptions. If you don't have access to color-balanced lighting, do it outdoors or near a large window on a sunny day (but not in direct sunlight - too much glare!!). Incandescent lighting can add yellow tones, and fluorescent can be either blue or yellow, depending on the type of bulb. Just my 2 kr. (is that right, Bjarne?) Sandy >From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours > >Dear Bjarne-- > >Color is one of the most difficult things to talk about without having >actual THINGS to look at. > >But I'll bet you still have some of those wonderful threads you dyed. > >I'd suggest that you try what I usually wind up doing when I have to make >a color decision: use the dyed threads as samples, and lay them >side-by-side on the blue fabric. See what combinations YOU like best. >If you are inclined to use peach for the top petals of the flowers, lay >some peach thread on the fabric and then try other threads in combination >with it and against the blue background. > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 08:55:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSDt7Kx007895 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSDsB2L016460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSDrtK3035902; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao03.cox.net (lakermmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSDrrwk035801 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041228135346.YIDY2250.lakermmtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:53:46 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:53:27 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c4ece4$9e8bb0b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000301c4ec8e$096483f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hrumph! If that's true, then why oh why is it only in limited release? Around here that usually means it hits the one "artsy" theatre downtown, for only a couple of days, usually mid-week. Fingers crossed that it hits the majority of the regular theatres soon. Thanks! ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice The reviews have said that it is one of the best movies of the year. Ebert said it will be nominated for many Oscars. Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 09:32:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSEWp8i008435 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:32:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSEWF2L018577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:32:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSEWBX1059076; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSEW7sZ058996 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m173.in-tch.com [216.166.191.173]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBSETdf08585 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41D16F8B.7030107@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:36:59 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crochet Learning Disabilities References: <000901c4ec9c$1ea04610$6401a8c0@SG01> <005b01c4eca2$24008f10$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <005b01c4eca2$24008f10$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you thought of looking for left-handed instructions? I know that they're out there, as I've got some. (I don't mean for individual patterns, but basic how-to's.) --sue (also left-handed, but concentrating on knitting and spinning these days....and costumes, too, of course ;o) Penny Ladnier wrote: > I have a hard time following crochet directions. I think it is because > I am left handed. I have been making scarves for the past year... I > made up my own pattern. Now everyone wants one. I keep trying out > different types of yarns to keep me from being bored. Crocheting also is > good for strengthening my hands. I did find out that there is a > knit/crochet shop nearby. Maybe they have someone who can teach me to > follow the directions correctly. I know all the abbreviations and the > stitches, but I like you, try to make something from a pattern and it > doesn't turn out correctly. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 10:56:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSFuKQG009746 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:56:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSFtR2L005428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:55:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSFtI2u014847; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:55:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSFtFbm014749 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50761425D6 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41D181DE.2020608@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:55:10 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: embroideries References: <200412272352.iBRNqtcl049630@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041228005308.02565320@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041228005308.02565320@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > An excellent suggestion, but try to do this in natural light, as > artificial light will skew the color perceptions. I'd suggest a mix of lighting. Have your indoor lighting on and move a lamp near the window. Chances are that you will be wearing your fancy dress indoors under artificial light and you will want the colors to look good under those conditions, too. A friend of mine paints, and while natural light is good, his work is displayed and judged under artificial light, so he always works under both sources to ensure that his colors look good in both lights. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 12:00:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSH0rGN010676 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:00:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSH042L011513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSGxgkf065146; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSGxbpd065004 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:59:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2163353 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:59:32 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:59:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c4ece4$9e8bb0b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Charlie Rose had Al Pacino, the director and Jeremy Irons on his program last night and I got to see snippets of it. It looks wonderful!!! The director (sorry, I've blanked on his name) said that Venice was dark so it carried through the colors of the whole movie. It was marvelous to watch "accepted" actors talk about Shakespeare as being one of the best storytellers in the history of the world. Pacino talking about his character and why he does what he does was insightful. I know that Charlie Rose plays here a few times each program; I hope that you get to see the show. The director said that it opened in general release on Dec 29th. Hopefully, Linda, you'll have the opportunity to see it a couple of times - once for the story and once for the costumes, not just on a Tuesday afternoon. LynnD On 12/28/04 5:53 AM, "Linda Rice" wrote: > Hrumph! If that's true, then why oh why is it only in limited release? Around > here that usually > means it hits the one "artsy" theatre downtown, for only a couple of days, > usually mid-week. > Fingers crossed that it hits the majority of the regular theatres soon. > > Thanks! > > ::Linda:: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:34 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice > > The reviews have said that it is one of the best movies of the year. Ebert > said it will be nominated for many Oscars. > > Penny Ladnier > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 12:22:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSHMt91011107 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSHM52L013566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSHLvbQ083247; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBSHLqfB083168 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 23035 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 17:21:52 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:21:48 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:21:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1146.24.4.69.40.1104254506.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <002c01c4ec76$4e1fa7d0$6401a8c0@SG01> References: <002901c4ec50$d37ba0d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <002c01c4ec76$4e1fa7d0$6401a8c0@SG01> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:21:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] New movie-Kingdom of Heaven (Was Merchant of Venice) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/644/Sun Dec 26 13:59:43 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Check this one out too. > > http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/kingdomofheaven.html > Looks and sounds super yummy! Orlando Bloom as a heroic knight? Be still, my heart!! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 13:12:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSICShh012147 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:12:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSIBa2L017418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:11:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSIAxcA041400; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSIAFhp040625 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.127] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CjLnS-0006sv-35 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:10:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c4ed08$7756e040$7f159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:03:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bbae097cd20e0a312df8fbd100a7c0295350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.127 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO LynnD wrote: It was marvelous to watch > "accepted" actors talk about Shakespeare as being one of the best > storytellers in the history of the world. If you can, try to catch Pacino's "Looking for Richard" on cable or DVD. It's a discussion and partial performance of Richard III, featuring some of the best actors in the US and the UK, filmed about the same time he did the role at the Public in NYC. The discussions of the play in particular and Shakespeare in general are interspersed with scenes from Richard III in rehearsal and staged at the Cloisters. (The costumes are generic rental house. Don't let that get in the way.) -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 13:26:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSIQTVT012458 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSIPs2L018907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSIPmnw061877; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSIPkOv061780 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041228182537.GXUX22789.lakermmtao06.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:25:37 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c4ed0a$9f02c030$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Lynn, I'll go see if I can catch that _Charlie Rose_ show. I usually like his interviews and his style. I got the "Limited Release" info from the website, so I really hope that it is wrong and what you heard is correct. Yes, movies like this do require multiple viewings! I'm lucky to be off during the day so 11am matinees are just the thing. ;o) Thanks again- ::Linda:: "Acorns were good till bread was found." Francis Bacon, English philosopher, statesman (1561-1626) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Charlie Rose had Al Pacino, the director and Jeremy Irons on his program last night and I got to see snippets of it. It looks wonderful!!! The director (sorry, I've blanked on his name) said that Venice was dark so it carried through the colors of the whole movie. It was marvelous to watch "accepted" actors talk about Shakespeare as being one of the best storytellers in the history of the world. Pacino talking about his character and why he does what he does was insightful. I know that Charlie Rose plays here a few times each program; I hope that you get to see the show. The director said that it opened in general release on Dec 29th. Hopefully, Linda, you'll have the opportunity to see it a couple of times - once for the story and once for the costumes, not just on a Tuesday afternoon. LynnD me _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 14:15:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSJFQDl013529 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSJEp2L023547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:14:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSJEfev002152; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSJEb2e002021 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004122819143201400r6j5qe>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:14:32 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c4ed11$7b49af30$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c4ece4$9e8bb0b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:14:40 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Linda, Several films are in limited release at this time. Finding Neverland was only released to 500 something theaters. Phantom of the Opera is also in limited release. They are showing at normal times here in Richmond, VA at some of the most popular movie houses. I don't know the reasoning behind the limited release dates. It used to mean that the film was shown for certain cities and then a mass release date was set. My son saw Phantom in England before he came home on Dec. 16. The film wasn't released in the U.S. until Dec. 22. As much as it cost to make Phantom, I can't imagine it only showing at 500 something theaters in the U.S. Merchant was also released in England before the U.S. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 14:39:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSJd8Lr014033 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:39:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSJcZ2L026341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSJcSrk023118; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBSJcMif023047 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:38:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 19:31:42 -0000 Message-ID: <00b901c4ed13$e2dde150$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000d01c4eba3$f48f11b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume related christmas gifts Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:31:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got as a combination Holiday/Birthday gift a Canon Power shot digital camera with which I can record and post my costuming treasures? sorta related. Bjarne, when in January do you turn 50? I will log that milestone on January 3 (in a cozy deluxe hotel room in Monterey, where my husband guarantees me the lighting will take ten years off -- ha!) angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] costume related christmas gifts > Hi, > I got (as a birthdaygift also 50 in january) 30 back issues of the > australian embroidery magazine Inspirations.............. > > Yum yum yum > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 15:27:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSKRDwG014820 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:27:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSKQ72L000244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSKPs5J059619; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSKPpAw059579 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.127] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CjNuf-00068N-JC for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: <006401c4ed1b$68564280$7f159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c4ece4$9e8bb0b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <003201c4ed11$7b49af30$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:25:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bc18dd96101d7ca9631596f6fe4ee930e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.127 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Release dates, was Merchant of Venice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a method to the madness, especially in December. Movies released in December are eligible for the upcoming Academy Awards and year-end releases have an edge over earlier releases, since they are fresher in the voters' minds. The movie only needs to be in a couple of theatres by 31 Dec to be considered. Also, since the theatres are clogged with holiday blockbusters, a wider release just isn't possible. The studios are loathe to give up the income from mass-market movies for "art films" with a more limited appeal. The limited release gets them the prestige goal of Academy nominations, and the nominations usually guarantee them a better audience when they go into wider release. But not always- some films never get a wide release. And then serious, arty movies are usually saved for the winter, anyway, and have always been backloaded into the end of the year. Even blockbusters like "Titanic" sometimes follow this release pattern- it opened in NYC and LA at Christmas, and went into limited release in January, followed by a massive release a couple of weeks later. This, of course, doesn't help those of us who want to see them now. At least we have DVD's from Netflix now; in the bad old days, if you missed it, you missed it. While a big screen is better than a TV, at least we have that, since almost everything goes to DVD these days. Happy New Years, everybody, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 15:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSKaiSJ014967 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSKa02L001041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSKZssw067093; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSKZql6067033 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CjO4L-0006DJ-7z for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:35:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:34:32 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Even more just catching up - I've done medieval/renaissance dance and modern folk dance from all over, and allemande is a word that has so many different interpretations! In Scottish dancing it's an 8-bar figure in couples dancing round the set - in American it's usually a turn with your partner - in renaissance it's a whole dance - the description below is a hold for a swing. Some may be a corruption of "a la main", others are "this is what we think German dancing looks like" or "this is a German-style figure". I think it would take a whole dissertation to find and analyse them all! Jean A & J Garden wrote >Hi, just caught up with this thread - adding another confusing slant - >my husband is a dance historian and teacher - had a lengthy answer to >the allemande question which I've promptly forgotten - something about >it being a left turn or something and lots more - but I found this >reference to a different allemande on our website - >http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/terms.htm > >back allemande Facing opposite directions, place left arms behind own >back, link right arms and with right hand take partner's left hand >behind their back. > > >Warmest Regards, >Aylwen Garden > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >~ custom made historical reproduction clothing ~ >http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 16:31:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSLVXoL015818 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:31:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSLUJ2L005539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:30:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSLU5i8009465; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSLU3Aj009337 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:29:00 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:29:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTs5YXR/IlDieySRZiQd2xndEywVAAPsZaQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <004401c4ece4$9e8bb0b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 21:29:00.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F089870:01C4ED24] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or to make the list for 2004 Oscar awards? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Linda Rice Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:53 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice Hrumph! If that's true, then why oh why is it only in limited release? Around here that usually means it hits the one "artsy" theatre downtown, for only a couple of days, usually mid-week. Fingers crossed that it hits the majority of the regular theatres soon. Thanks! ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice The reviews have said that it is one of the best movies of the year. Ebert said it will be nominated for many Oscars. Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 18:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSNAIaF017129 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:10:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSN9Z2L014426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSN9Q3x087499; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSN9OmW087423 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EAD2901C for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B679467 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:18 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:17 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:09:17 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EA48@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 969 Thread-Index: AcTtEO2GugpuMApiSoqftRg5RqNWygAIBZsA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 23:09:17.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[41A470A0:01C4ED32] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBSN9OmW087423 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, is anyone familiar with the book _Gothic Fashions in Women's Dress_ (a.k.a. _Gothic Woman's Fashion_) by Olga Sronkova? I think the original title must be _Die Mode der Gotischen Frau_. Is it translated into English? The translation seems to have an English title, but half the references to the 1954 printing say the text is in French? Is it in both French and English or are there different 1954 printings by the same publisher? Thanks! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 18:31:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSNVhiS017271 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:31:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBSNV62L015939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSNUdvh003168; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:30:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBSNUboR003100 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20041228233032.94117.qmail@web81407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.16.70] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:30:32 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] book question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EA48@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The copy that I've seen has English, and possibly other languages as well. That copy isn't mine, and is far away at the moment so I can't check. The pictures are worth it even if you can't read the text. Alex --- sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > Hello all, is anyone familiar with the book _Gothic Fashions in > Women's Dress_ (a.k.a. _Gothic Woman's Fashion_) by Olga Sronkova? I > think the original title must be _Die Mode der Gotischen Frau_. Is it > translated into English? The translation seems to have an English > title, but half the references to the 1954 printing say the text is > in French? Is it in both French and English or are there different > 1954 printings by the same publisher? > Thanks! > -sunny > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 19:21:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBT0LWkV017578 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:21:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBT0Ki2L020298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBT0KWcM039178; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:20:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao07.cox.net (lakermmtao07.cox.net [68.230.240.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBT0KRsB039062 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041229002020.BNVV20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:20:20 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] book question Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c4ed3c$26c100a0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EA48@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBT0KRsB039062 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sunny- I have this book (Yes, it's here someplace, I know it is!) My copy is in English. The illustrations are wonderful, not the typical English/French stuff that you normally find. It's very bohemian-eastern Europe in its focus, as it was originally printed in Czechoslovakia. I see AddAll has quite a few copies listed today- go to http://used.addall.com/ and type in Olga Sronkova. Keep scrolling until you find the English versions. Books and fabric, fabric and books.... Gawd but I love Christmastime! Pax, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of sunshine_buchler@agilent.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:09 PM Hello all, is anyone familiar with the book _Gothic Fashions in Women's Dress_ (a.k.a. _Gothic Woman's Fashion_) by Olga Sronkova? I think the original title must be _Die Mode der Gotischen Frau_. Is it translated into English? The translation seems to have an English title, but half the references to the 1954 printing say the text is in French? Is it in both French and English or are there different 1954 printings by the same publisher? Thanks! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 28 21:56:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBT2uulc018790 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBT2uB2L000174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:56:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBT2tuCd035374; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBT2ttG0035344 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:55:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.224] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CjU0A-0003IR-3O for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:55:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c4ed51$dfc94520$e0399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EA48@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book question Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b19350764ed269d0a3c1918e21b9d1360350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.224 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The original is in German, and I used to have access to a copy of the English translation many years ago. Her other book has a French edition, so I wouldn't be surprised if this one did also. It's got lots of pictures of the bath-house attendants of Prague from the bible of Wedlaw IV. (Medieval Maxim, perhaps?) -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 29 12:04:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTH4mu7025064 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:04:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBTH2c2L013507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTH2Kmv054788; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTH2GLT054638 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.27.688a00da (4539) for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27.688a00da.2f043d0e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:02:06 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New movie- Merchant of Venice To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/28/2004 2:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: > Phantom of the Opera is also in > limited release. Thank God! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 29 15:22:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTKM4st028921 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBTKLA2L001266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTKKBAD017488; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTKK55O017428 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEEBAD57 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2FB0 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:03 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:02 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EAB5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 970 Thread-Index: AcTt2fJcKU4/fNikR7a6UG5PVNTUsgACblYA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 20:20:03.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[C79E5CA0:01C4EDE3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBTKK55O017428 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: book question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the info! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 29 15:28:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTKS9Ya029045 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:28:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBTKRW2L001797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTKRRuS023019; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTKKDvL017507 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDB2260AB for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315EAAD for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:03 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:20:02 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EAB5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 3, Issue 970 Thread-Index: AcTt2fJcKU4/fNikR7a6UG5PVNTUsgACblYA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 20:20:03.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[C79E5CA0:01C4EDE3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBTKKDvL017507 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: book question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the info! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 29 18:46:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTNk9BS031282 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:46:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBTNjR2L017008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:45:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTNjCjX075231; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav37.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTNj8P9075156 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:45:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV37.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:44:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006501c4ed3c$26c100a0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:44:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:44:37 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 23:45:03.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AC4A760:01C4EE00] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] books yet to come X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBTNk9BS031282 Status: RO The spring/summer catalog from Yale University Press came today and I thought some list members might like to know about a couple coming attractions. Chanel is being published with the Met for an exhibit they'll have 5/7 - 8/7. It looks lush with 150 color illustrations for $39.95. Also in conjunction with the Met is Dangerous Liaisons: Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century . This is coming out in April, only 80 pages, at $19.95. This has been a public service announcement, as both are too late in time for me to be selling. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 29 19:11:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU0BqRE031889 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBU0B52L018863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU0AxJN093347; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p01m171.mxlogic.net (p01m171.mxlogic.net [216.173.230.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBU0AqVn093265 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p01m171.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.5.0-63) with SMTP id 19743d14.6151.14121.p01m171.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19299 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 00:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.9) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 00:10:50 -0000 Received: from denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.39]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:10:50 -0700 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:09:05 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:09:05 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC1016@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: colours Thread-Index: AcTsRs5szLzvVsYmQTykBE0PSmHn7ABvJS3A From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 00:09:05.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[C678E1E0:01C4EE03] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBU0AqVn093265 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: colours X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This time i want to do my outmost and absolutely final work for myself. The colour of the satin is a pale blue like you see in the skye in a hot summers day. What colours do yuu think is a must for this? >From your description, my mind immediately went to a sunset view on said hot summer's day. The purples, golds, blues and such fading from the pale blue sky would be just yummy! Good luck with your project, and we expect PICTURES! ;) Kate McClure _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 29 19:48:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU0mpK8032194 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBU0li2L021132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:47:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU0lbvC017574; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:47:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU0lZHv017556 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CjoTW-0005eB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:47:35 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c4ee09$39df0510$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC1016@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone ever try to buy shoe lasts in the US? The only place I can find so far is the ShoeSchool which makes buying them rather obscure. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 01:17:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU6HPjW005366 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBU6Go2L012060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:16:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU6EFIn014834; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBU6EDXQ014813 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6s3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.131] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CjtZc-0002W7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:14:13 -0800 Message-ID: <41D39CA0.4020305@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:13:52 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costuming & fancy dress in 1906 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was browsing the Library of Congress online dance manuals and found this book published in 1906. It gives costuming suggestions for masquerade balls. <> --Charlene -- Christmas: A warm and cheery two-month festival that celebrates the joy of retail merchandise. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 11:43:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUGhBYO008157 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUGgC2L026225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:42:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUGfxUc058378; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUGfuAA058328 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ck3N4-0001WV-00; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:41:54 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: , , , , , Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c4ee8e$8c0c9ca0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Change in performance dates for "A Suitable Gowne for her Majesty"-Jan 8th performance canceled! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id iBUGhBYO008157 Status: RO I am (again) sorry for the cross posts and re-posts. I just want to make sure that people know that the January 8th presentation at the Palomino Library . Sat / Jan 8 / 2 to 3 PM-HAS BEEN CANCELED The ONLY repeat performance will be the hour PRIOR to the Musica Dulce performance at Mustang Library . Sat / Feb 5 / 2 to 3:30 PM (Auditorium). PLEASE RECHECK MY WEBSITE FOR UPDATES AND CALL THE LIBRARY TO CONFIRM TIMES. http://www.saragrace.net/3E_10_QEW_Event_Pics.html Mustang Library Address: 10101 North 90th Street Scottsdale, AZ 85258-4404 Phone 480-312-6061 A Map to Our Location _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 11:54:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUGsJlW008368 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:54:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUGrK2L027208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUGrBdt066590; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:53:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUGr8ET066525 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be74.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.116]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A1FD35EE00D for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:53:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c4ee90$0e19f520$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:53:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] colours X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again, Sorry for not responding, but i got a nasty cold here........ Anyway i want to thank you all for your fine advises, you are right, it is as if some colours dies and others lives up on the blue satin. It is very tricky, and i must admit that colour is not my forse in any way. I have ben studying all the photos i have taken at the danish national museum, i just wished they were better, they should have ben taken with my digital camera, but i used the old one back then. There is one jacket /suit/ that i have noticed particularly it is embroidered on a pastel green background, and all the colours in the embroidery also are pastel colours. I have desided for the design in the embroidery. I have stolen some of it from a book, and i have added a little of my own into it. It has berries in it, i want to make some berries with french knots, if they are going to be blackberries or they should be raspberries i dont know yeat, they should be unripe, and therefore not entirely black or blue, but some green added. Finally i also have added a border wich i resently learned to make in satin stitches, it will hold the whole design better i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/bouquetjacket The bow and the border and the balls should be the same colour. I can see that i have to cut out a piece of the fabric for samplers.............. Thanks again for your advises all of you, and happy new year........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 12:32:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUHW68S009099 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUHVT2L000228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUHVN5r095164; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUHVKkf095072 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20041230173115012003s4ale>; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:31:15 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:31:15 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, huzzah! My bookseller says the book is in! I can pick it up tonight! And then a three-day weekend to confuse myself in it! Not that I've finished _Woven Into The Earth_ yet either. And now that I've FINALLY got the front gores on my under-gown to my own satisfaction -- which really is thanks to squinting at the pictures in _WitL_ where I finally got the idea of how they are supposed to lay -- I can play with the long-delayed brown cashmere/wool overgown. I'm having dreams at night about garment-gores. Sigh. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 14:57:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUJvV1j011299 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:57:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUJun2L012631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUJuaRc006984; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUJuWda006934 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be74.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.116]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E453326283C for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:56:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00cc01c4eea9$b6a050e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:56:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume related christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Angela, It is on january 13th. I wont celebrate it this day. I have always longed to have a picnic at my birdthday, so this year precisely 1/2 year later after 13th of january i will ask my whole family and friends for a picnic in the "dyrehaven" wich is the old forrest north of Copenhagen where there are such lovely spots to have picnics. The forrest is full of deers that are used to people so they dont run away. You can also hire coaches there... I pray the weather will be for it! Hope you get a lovely time in Monterey :-) Bjarne I got as a combination Holiday/Birthday gift a Canon Power shot digital camera with which I can record and post my costuming treasures? sorta related. Bjarne, when in January do you turn 50? I will log that milestone on January 3 (in a cozy deluxe hotel room in Monterey, where my husband guarantees me the lighting will take ten years off -- ha!) angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 15:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUK40mT011340 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:04:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUK3O2L013101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUK3JBI011951; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUK0Oue009712 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be74.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.116]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EE3365EE00B for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:00:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00d701c4eeaa$4282b5d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:00:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jean, The danse i am reffering to is described in the german book by Taubert. I baught this book many years ago with a LP record with all the danses in it. The gentleman has his right arm over the ladies head and the left arm holds her right arm. I loved this danse, still do............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] ris 'allemande now dance steps > Even more just catching up - I've done medieval/renaissance dance and > modern folk dance from all over, and allemande is a word that has so many > different interpretations! In Scottish dancing it's an 8-bar figure in > couples dancing round the set - in American it's usually a turn with your > partner - in renaissance it's a whole dance - the description below is a > hold for a swing. Some may be a corruption of "a la main", others are > "this is what we think German dancing looks like" or "this is a > German-style figure". I think it would take a whole dissertation to find > and analyse them all! > > Jean > > > > A & J Garden wrote >>Hi, just caught up with this thread - adding another confusing slant - my >>husband is a dance historian and teacher - had a lengthy answer to the >>allemande question which I've promptly forgotten - something about it >>being a left turn or something and lots more - but I found this reference >>to a different allemande on our website - >>http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/terms.htm >> >>back allemande Facing opposite directions, place left arms behind own >>back, link right arms and with right hand take partner's left hand behind >>their back. >> >> >>Warmest Regards, >>Aylwen Garden >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>~ custom made historical reproduction clothing ~ >>http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 15:17:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUKH4sl011381 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:17:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUKGO2L014272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUKGIr6021464; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUKGGHV021408 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF05A31B1D for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t3p152.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.220.154]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B1384C513 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:12 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not sure if this is the book but several LH Anglo Saxoners have said that there is a book that is really bad on the information about AS stuff. Documentation is weak. De Hoping that your book is not the book. -----Original Message----- Oh, huzzah! My bookseller says the book is in! I can pick it up tonight! And then a three-day weekend to confuse myself in it! Not that I've finished _Woven Into The Earth_ yet either. And now that I've FINALLY got the front gores on my under-gown to my own satisfaction -- which really is thanks to squinting at the pictures in _WitL_ where I finally got the idea of how they are supposed to lay -- I can play with the long-delayed brown cashmere/wool overgown. I'm having dreams at night about garment-gores. Sigh. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 15:30:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUKUBN7011431 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:30:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUKTW2L015437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUKTRKf031197; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBUKTOdx031092 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@24.43.236.144 with login) by smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 20:29:19 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c4eeae$41600af0$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:29:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > I am not sure if this is the book but several LH Anglo Saxoners have said > that there is a book that is really bad on the information about AS stuff. > Documentation is weak. > > De > Hoping that your book is not the book. I'd be surprised. The first edition of Owen-Crocker's book was highly regarded, although not perfect, which is why the second edition happened. I'm quite familiar with the first edition, and I would certainly not categorize it as "really bad" or weak on documentation. The Anglo-Saxon living history folks I know are all looking forward to it. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 16:16:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBULGrPY011694 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:16:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBULGA2L019878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBULG3Li067145; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p01m170.mxlogic.net (p01m170.mxlogic.net [216.173.230.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBULFv2v067065 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p01m170.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.5.0-63) with SMTP id 11074d14.20501.39789.p01m170.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3424 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 21:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.9) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 21:15:56 -0000 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:15:02 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC101C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: colours Thread-Index: AcTuombQ8KNStemCR7+FFR2xwcSvrgAEQtBw From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 21:15:02.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[A085BE20:01C4EEB4] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBULFv2v067065 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: colours X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *snip* http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/bouquetjacket The bow and the border and the balls should be the same colour. I can see that i have to cut out a piece of the fabric for samplers.............. Thanks again for your advises all of you, and happy new year........... Bjarne Oooh, it will be marvelous, I'm sure! (No pressure . . . ;) Will you be using any metallics on this? If you end up using pastels, likely not, as they might overwhelm. But with darker tones, a little spark here and there might be very pretty. Just my two groats worth. Kate McClure _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 17:37:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUMbBta012360 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:37:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBUMZb2L026210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUMZTx5026393; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBUMZPtO026337 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5615731B67 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:35:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p627.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.218.120]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41A20C60B for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:35:24 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] colours Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:35:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c4ee90$0e19f520$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you use the floral bouquet pattern may I recommend that you color in (you probably were going to do this) before committing to a border, balls, and bows of the same colour? I think it might be a bit too asymmetrical. Also, just a thought, the border could be inverted scallops so that the balls are "floating" above their own pockets. The "balls"/roundels/spots could be a bit smaller. Or inverted scallops with drop shapes at the points of the border scallops instead of the balls as a way of blending with the leaves of the bouquets. De (who has been sick for the past 3 wks, so can sympathize) -----Original Message----- Finally i also have added a border wich i resently learned to make in satin stitches, it will hold the whole design better i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/bouquetjacket The bow and the border and the balls should be the same colour. I can see that i have to cut out a piece of the fabric for samplers.............. Thanks again for your advises all of you, and happy new year........... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 20:40:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV1ecqn014781 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:40:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV1ZQ3L010602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV1K22F033513; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV1JxBR033388 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m248.in-tch.com [216.166.191.248]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBV1HPf14712 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:17:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41D4AA61.2080306@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:24:49 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO pbhthtththhhhhh! Sending you a big raspberry, 'cuz I got at *least* two weeks before mine arrive.... *sigh* --sue, impatiently waiting..... Lauren Walker wrote: > Oh, huzzah! My bookseller says the book is in! I can pick it up tonight! And > then a three-day weekend to confuse myself in it! Not that I've finished > _Woven Into The Earth_ yet either. And now that I've FINALLY got the front > gores on my under-gown to my own satisfaction -- which really is thanks to > squinting at the pictures in _WitL_ where I finally got the idea of how they > are supposed to lay -- I can play with the long-delayed brown cashmere/wool > overgown. I'm having dreams at night about garment-gores. Sigh. > Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 21:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV2O3br015500 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV2NS2L014361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV2NEdv073020; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV2NCnR072913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.51] (acty1051.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.51]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iBV2N4gZ012790 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:23:04 -0500 Message-ID: <41D4B806.3080106@dandy.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:23:02 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? References: <001001c4ee09$39df0510$6401a8c0@SG01> In-Reply-To: <001001c4ee09$39df0510$6401a8c0@SG01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I will try and contact Master Luke Knowlton and see if he remembers where he came by the ones he has (unless you are out there lurking, good Sir). I vaguely remember him telling me that he came by them by a stroke of luck, but I'll ask nonetheless. Cheers, Mike T. >Anyone ever try to buy shoe lasts in the US? The only place I can find so >far is the ShoeSchool which makes buying them rather obscure. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 21:42:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV2g8UC015844 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV2fU2L015748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV2fQeF083777; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV2fM5h083552 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200412310241030120040a00e>; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:41:03 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41D4AA61.2080306@in-tch.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hahahahahaha (evil laughter)! Another victory for the dread Local Independent Bookseller! Lauren > From: Sue Clemenger > > pbhthtththhhhhh! > Sending you a big raspberry, 'cuz I got at *least* two weeks before mine > arrive.... > *sigh* > --sue, impatiently waiting..... > > Lauren Walker wrote: >> Oh, huzzah! My bookseller says the book is in! I can pick it up tonight! And >> then a three-day weekend to confuse myself in it! Not that I've finished >> _Woven Into The Earth_ yet either. And now that I've FINALLY got the front >> gores on my under-gown to my own satisfaction -- which really is thanks to >> squinting at the pictures in _WitL_ where I finally got the idea of how they >> are supposed to lay -- I can play with the long-delayed brown cashmere/wool >> overgown. I'm having dreams at night about garment-gores. Sigh. >> Lauren > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 23:18:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4IJZT017530 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:18:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV4Hh2L022039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4Ham7038815; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4HXgR038750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV5Onjw006779 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:24:49 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] book question Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:36:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EA48@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0397EA48@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412302336.42713.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 28 December 2004 6:09 pm, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > Hello all, is anyone familiar with the book _Gothic Fashions in Women's > Dress_ (a.k.a. _Gothic Woman's Fashion_) by Olga Sronkova? I think the > original title must be _Die Mode der Gotischen Frau_. Is it translated into > English? The translation seems to have an English title, but half the > references to the 1954 printing say the text is in French? Is it in both > French and English or are there different 1954 printings by the same > publisher? Thanks! I have a copy of Gothic Fashions in Women's Dress. The text is in English. I, too, would assume that it's the English version of "Die Mode der Gotischen Frau." It has many good black and white illustrations of costume depictions, mostly 14th c. ones, from Eastern European manuscripts. I remember that the text was not nearly as useful as the illustrations. If you are interested in Eastern European medieval costume I would definitely look for the book. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 23:23:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4NhVU017613 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:23:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV4N62L022405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4MtxF041905; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4MpjQ041826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV5U6KG006982 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:30:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:42:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41D4AA61.2080306@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <41D4AA61.2080306@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412302342.00523.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 30 December 2004 8:24 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > pbhthtththhhhhh! > Sending you a big raspberry, 'cuz I got at *least* two weeks before mine > arrive.... > *sigh* > --sue, impatiently waiting..... I'm going to check Amazon right now and see whether they've shipped mine. (I'm betting against it, though; they seem to be the last distributor to get things.) :-( > > Lauren Walker wrote: > > Oh, huzzah! My bookseller says the book is in! I can pick it up tonight! > > And then a three-day weekend to confuse myself in it! Not that I've > > finished _Woven Into The Earth_ yet either. Neither have I, and I thank God for that. It's helping me be patient in waiting for Dress in Anglo-Saxon England! :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 30 23:49:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4nrFY018063 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:49:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV4mw2L024013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV4msG4055886; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11705.mail.yahoo.com (web11705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBV4mpY2055855 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50826 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2004 04:48:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eXuuwFhGoFpkt0agEJCvrIaj/f4pZJM4MICAUh9Mrg02x3FIZxBKLD7De4eZJj7NAHMOw73wmXcX0VgAO6ob8RXVytNVafJcQRLBwABhY1uaFapGe6enh1cwuhNreppk0t+NRyoyGh1dG6l1HjA77dzTBaMaBTdrgs2FAlbvz6k= ; Message-ID: <20041231044850.50824.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.57.88] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:48:50 PST Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200412302342.00523.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've ordered mine through Amazon too and having checked today, doesn't show ANY changes... RATS!!! and a small raspberry...I wish we had a local independant bookseller near me, but no such luck! Oh well, back to 'Woven into the Earth' :) Chris G. Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Thursday 30 December 2004 8:24 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > pbhthtththhhhhh! > Sending you a big raspberry, 'cuz I got at *least* two weeks before mine > arrive.... > *sigh* > --sue, impatiently waiting..... I'm going to check Amazon right now and see whether they've shipped mine. (I'm betting against it, though; they seem to be the last distributor to get things.) :-( > > Lauren Walker wrote: > > Oh, huzzah! My bookseller says the book is in! I can pick it up tonight! > > And then a three-day weekend to confuse myself in it! Not that I've > > finished _Woven Into The Earth_ yet either. Neither have I, and I thank God for that. It's helping me be patient in waiting for Dress in Anglo-Saxon England! :-) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 00:18:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV5IlmW018543 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV5I82L025413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:18:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV5HxNF072639; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV5HvdP072587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV6PCpB008338 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:25:13 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:37:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20041231044850.50824.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041231044850.50824.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412310037.06226.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 30 December 2004 11:48 pm, Chris wrote: > I've ordered mine through Amazon too and having checked today, doesn't show > ANY changes... > > RATS!!! and a small raspberry.. You are too right. Arrgh. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 00:24:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV5OPkA018628 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:24:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBV5Mr2L025752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:22:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV5MqZV075441; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f13.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBV5L61l074324 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.45 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:20:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.45] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200412301901.iBUJ0bXN064191@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:20:30 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 05:21:00.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[83EC5460:01C4EEF8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Wicked Frau" >Anyone ever try to buy shoe lasts in the US? The only place I can find so >far is the ShoeSchool which makes buying them rather obscure. I know it's possible, but can be very expensive. You may want to post the question to http://www.thehcc.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi The folks at the HCC can be very helpful. I will say that if you are wanting to make historical shoes, most modern lasts aren't really that useful (if you are making modern shoes, though, they work great :) ). Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 09:38:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVEctom019177 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBVEcE2L021268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVEZhxH066035; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVEZfg6066011 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CkNsT-0002S1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 06:35:41 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c4ef46$16096480$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id iBVEZfg6066011 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, now I remember seeing your name here. I'm the one who sent you the shoe/patten picture the other day. I guess I was confused. Though I had read through your information, and understood that this would have probably been a turn shoe (Right?), that a last would be useful for final shaping? No? I suppose to be really accurate (not that I am), I would use one pattern for both feet? Thanks for your help! Saragrace (aka wicked frau) Le Shuuuu : http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 10:10:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVFAkD3019686 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:10:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBVFAC2L022758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:10:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVF7QDZ083689; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVF7NEr083653 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CkON8-0006mk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:07:22 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c4ef4a$836b4440$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <001601c4ef46$16096480$6401a8c0@SG01> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again. Found this WONDERFUL picture of these pattens just now. http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg (the 3rd image from the bottom). Any thoughts on what the little hooks at the end of the toe might be for? Maybe to tie the shoe point in place? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 10:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVFBoOw019701 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:11:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBVF5Z2x022457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVEuVne077434; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVEuT0w077369 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBVErtf04725 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:53:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41D569BF.3050604@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:01:19 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress in Anglo Saxon England References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now why didn't I think of that? Heck, I was down there just last week (well, at *my* LIB), pre-ordering the upcoming Harry Potter.... --sue, who will try to use the wait time productively, instead of dancing around stomping her feet, and whining like a little kid in the cereal aisle....;o) Lauren Walker wrote: > Hahahahahaha (evil laughter)! Another victory for the dread Local > Independent Bookseller! > Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 10:16:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVFGKc0019758 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:16:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBVFFj2L023041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:15:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVFDMZx087062; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:13:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBVFAkS2085586 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CkOQQ-00001K-00; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:10:46 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: , "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c4ef4a$fca8b630$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Whoops! RE: Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoops, got so excited I pasted the wrong url: http://people.freenet.de/mittelalterschuhe/neue_seite_55.htm >-----Original Message----- >From: Wicked Frau [mailto:wickedfrau@earthlink.net] >Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:08 AM >To: 'Historical Costume' >Subject: Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... > > > >Hi again. Found this WONDERFUL picture of these pattens just now. >http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg >(the 3rd image from the bottom). Any thoughts on what the little hooks at the >end of the toe might be for? Maybe to tie the shoe point in place? > >Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 31 21:03:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0123TAd027477 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:03:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0122m2L015169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0122WeN093398; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:02:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from agamemnon.concentric.com (agamemnon.concentric.com [207.155.252.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0122Ugx093371 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from Julie (66-105-235-23-sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.23]) by agamemnon.concentric.com id VAA09357; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:02:28 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie" To: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:05:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200412311902.iBVJ1LQI032071@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pattens X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO purely a guess, but I'd say it's to strengthen the long skinny wooden point. Besides, makes it better for killing the cockroaches in the corners... Anonymous > >Hi again. Found this WONDERFUL picture of these pattens just now. >http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg >(the 3rd image from the bottom). Any thoughts on what the little hooks at >the end of the toe might be for? Maybe to tie the shoe point in place? > >Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 02:22:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j017M2Nq005409 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:22:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j017LO2L029761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j017LBAm062137; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f15.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j017L6LA062041 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.12 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:20:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.12] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200412311902.iBVJ1LQI032071@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:20:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2005 07:21:00.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[71CD0A10:01C4EFD2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/646/Thu Dec 30 12:42:35 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Wicked Frau" >Hi again. Found this WONDERFUL picture of these pattens just now. >http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg >(the 3rd image from the bottom). Any thoughts on what the little hooks at >the end of the toe might be for? Maybe to tie the shoe point in place? Gotcha - and the corrected URL. This particular style of trippe/patten is generally either made from stacks of leather, or, in the case of the pictures ones in the picture you mention and the one above it, cork. As you can see more clearly in the picture above, the rand* is brought down around the cork filling, and braced (or tied) under the cork. Then an outer sole is sewn on. In the case of the picture you mention, the outer sole just comes up over the front of the cork, making the 'hook' you mention. It's more decorative than anything else. *Rand is a correct term in historical shoemaking for this sort of welt that comes down and either wraps around, or is rolled under, and is braced before an outer sole is attached. The term is generally misused modern texts on medieval shoemaking for a welt on a turn shoe. Does this make sense? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 09:15:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01EFUAr030264 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:15:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01EEm2L008614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:14:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01EEecT085409; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01EEcbB085390 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ckk1d-0006Xq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 06:14:38 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c4f00c$51059290$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does this make sense? > >Marc Yes it does! This is so cool. I can't wait to do them. I started looking at leather from the Hide House.... I am going to do them in the colors as in the picture, but wow they have some cool colors! Makes me wanna wear leather...(that's a scary thought!) Happy New Year Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 12:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01HTCGG032586 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01HSN2L017176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:28:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01HS4x6089405; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBTHPlF9073812 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004122917252801500c987ge>; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:25:41 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:25:27 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Reeds@baronyofaquaterra.org (Reeds Aquaterra) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:25:27 +0000 Message-Id: <122920041725.28026.41D2E8870001907700006D7A22058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/645/Mon Dec 27 15:56:20 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:27:36 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Phantom of the Opera Renton, Washington X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For anyone who lives in the Puget Sound area (Washington), Phantom of the Opera is playing in Renton! Guess what I hope I'm doing New Years day.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume